Do you beleive in evolution? (POLL)

[Miserabilia]

Do you beleive in evolution?
Why?

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for me:
Do you beleive in evolution? yes

Why? Because even though its a "theory" there is imo enough evidence to proove it.

[Human]

I think that evolution is real.
Gravity is also a theory, by the way :P

[HockeyLovesMe]

i believe in both because there is like real bones u can see about evolution so yeah has to be true

[Jess]

Yes, I believe in evolution because there are lots of evidence for it, while there is none for a god.

Didn't realize the poll was multiple choice; but I would have voted for "I don't believe in god" as well.

[Elysium]

Yes, I believe in evolution because it's what I've been taught in science and shown the evidence for.

[Gigablue]

I believe in evolution because the evidence is overwhelming. We have fossil evidence that shows the gradual transition between groups, and genetic evidence that shows that different species share the exact amount of DNA that we would expect if evolution were true. We have even observed it in labs before.

Because even though its a "theory" there is imo enough evidence to proove it.

In science, a theory is as high as you can get. Theories have explanatory and predictive power, and are unlikely to be overturned.

Also, evolution isn't a theory. Evolution is a phenomenon that has been extensively documented. Natural selection is the theory that explains the fact of evolution.

[Stronk Serb]

I do not believe in a god or any other divine deities. Evolution is real. There is concrete evidence.

[Yolo2000]

I believe in evolution. There's too much evidence for it not to be real.

[Abyssal Echo]

I do not believe in evolution because Darwin himself admitted he was wrong before he died.

[Gigablue]

I do not believe in evolution because Darwin himself admitted he was wrong before he died.

Can you provide a reference for that?

Either way, what Darwin thought is irrelevant. Evolution is true because of the evidence, not because of Darwin.

[Rina]

I believe in God, so no.

[Cygnus]

Of course it is, there is no other possible explanation other than some crazy stuff that insane people invented.

[Abyssal Echo]

Can you provide a reference for that?

Either way, what Darwin thought is irrelevant. Evolution is true because of the evidence, not because of Darwin.

my mom showed me an old news paper article I'll ask her if she still has it

Can you provide a reference for that?

I don't know the date. the story was by Lady Hope in the Boston Watchman Examiner. from what I could find online it was republished in October of 1955 in the reformation Review. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hope.htm
there is a book Darwins Doubt by Stephan C. Meyer avail on Amazon. or at http://www.HarperCollins.com/DarwinsDoubt.
Either way, what Darwin thought is irrelevant. Evolution is true because of the evidence, not because of Darwin.

evidence of what ?? his (Darwins) theories are full of holes that not even he could explain.

Merged -Steven

[Harry Smith]

evidence of what his (Darwins) theories are full of holes that not even he could explain.

In all fairness it was back in the 19th Century when they simply didn't have the technology or research

[Origami]

Since no one wasted time in going to "God versus Science" let me just take a moment aside to say, as a Christian, that I believe Evolution and Creationism each in part.

[Korashk]

evidence of what ?? his (Darwins) theories are full of holes that not even he could explain.
Good thing we don't use Darwin's version anymore then.

[Abyssal Echo]

In all fairness it was back in the 19th Century when they simply didn't have the technology or research

I agree he did not have the technology or able to do what we can today.

Creation Moments printed a story Darwin Was Wrong, Evolutionary Scientists Admit. http://creationmoments.com/category/wordpress-tag/duke-university

[Gigablue]

I agree he did not have the technology or able to do what we can today.

Creation Moments printed a story Darwin Was Wrong, Evolutionary Scientists Admit. http://creationmoments.com/category/wordpress-tag/duke-university

Darwin was wrong about many things, but that isn't relevant. The basic idea of natural selection is still correct. Attacking Darwin says nothing about evolution.

[Harry Smith]

I agree he did not have the technology or able to do what we can today.

Creation Moments printed a story Darwin Was Wrong, Evolutionary Scientists Admit. http://creationmoments.com/category/wordpress-tag/duke-university

as said above of course they're would be mistakes in his work, that doesn't mean you can dismiss the whole theory.

There is so much evidence to back it up with

[kenoloor]

"Belief" implies some sort of "faith" involved, which implies a lack of evidence. So do I believe in evolution? No, of course not. I merely think it to be true because there is sufficient evidence as to persuade me.

Thinking evolution to be true is rational; believing in creationism is irrational. The difference is evidence. Evolution has substantial evidence supporting it. Creationism has literally zero evidence.

[tovaris]

What is not to beleive?

[Abyssal Echo]

[QUOTE=Harry Smith;2352634]as said above of course they're would be mistakes in his work, that doesn't mean you can dismiss the whole theory.

That is the point it is a theory. Its one persons point of view no more no less.
Its a proven fact that Darwins theory is full of holes like the animals that just showed up one day and have been here ever since. Where did they come from ??? they did not evolve from anything. were they Created or brought here to Earth by Aliens who knows. My point is they are nothing but theories. Its your choice weather you believe any of them or not.

[saea97]

That is the point it is a theory. Its one persons point of view no more no less.

No no no no no no no no no. Evolution is a fact as much as anything can be considered a fact. There are mountains of evidence. You can't have a point of view about a fact. It's true irrespective.

Its a proven fact that Darwins theory is full of holes like the animals that just showed up one day and have been here ever since. Where did they come from ??? they did not evolve from anything.

Abiogenesis is a totally different field of science; how abiogenesis occurred is nothing to do with evolution and the fact that there is less concrete fact known about abiogenesis is not a "hole" in the theory of evolution.

My point is they are nothing but theories. Its your choice weather you believe any of them or not.

You can't have an opinion that disagrees with scientific fact. Well, you can, I suppose, but it's wrong.

Please look up the scientific definition of "theory". Gigablue posts it routinely in these threads when people like you spout about how something is "just a theory".

[STEALTHy]

That is an interesting question, because evolution suggest that humans are derived from primates. So how is it then that creatures like Monkeys and Apes still exist if we're created from them by process of evolution.

However I suppose I do believe in evolution due to the archaeological knowledge I have of Dinosaurs, which is a lot. Like 50 books, 100 documentaries, 10 museums, 200 hours of research online, and 30 fossils worth of knowledge. Still though I maintain a cognitive dissonance when it comes to evolution in the broad scale of things.

[saea97]

That is an interesting question, because evolution suggest that humans are derived from primates. So how is it then that creatures like Monkeys and Apes still exist if we're created from them by process of evolution.



We're not. Ourselves and the apes (and every other species on the planet, if you trace back far enough) have a common ancestor.

[Harry Smith]

[QUOTE=Harry Smith;2352634]as said above of course they're would be mistakes in his work, that doesn't mean you can dismiss the whole theory.

That is the point it is a theory. Its one persons point of view no more no less.
Its a proven fact that Darwins theory is full of holes like the animals that just showed up one day and have been here ever since. Where did they come from ??? they did not evolve from anything. were they Created or brought here to Earth by Aliens who knows. My point is they are nothing but theories. Its your choice weather you believe any of them or not.

They evolved from Carbon based organism which were originally from the sea, the as oxygen levels increased so did the number of these organisms

[STEALTHy]

We're not. Ourselves and the apes (and every other species on the planet, if you trace back far enough) have a common ancestor.Could you provide evidence for your statement please?

[saea97]

Could you provide evidence for your statement please?

http://www.evolutionfaq.com/faq/if-man-evolved-ape-then-why-are-there-still-apes

Just a very quick google from a reasonably reputable-looking site. It's a common question and so has been addressed innumerable times. I'm sure you could find more.

[Gigablue]

That is the point it is a theory. Its one persons point of view no more no less.

Evolution is not a theory, it is a phenomenon that has been very well documented. Natural selection is a theory which explains evolution.

In science, the word theory refers to a hypothesis that has withstood numerous attempts at falsification, and, most importantly, can make testable predictions about the world. One prediction of natural selection is that we should find fossils of transitional species that bridge gaps between extant species. As soon as we looked at the fossil record, that's exactly what we found. That's just one example, but my point is that the theory of natural selection is the best explanation for the current evidence.

Its a proven fact that Darwins theory is full of holes like the animals that just showed up one day and have been here ever since. Where did they come from ??? they did not evolve from anything. were they Created or brought here to Earth by Aliens who knows.

There's a reason we don't use the exact theory as proposed by Darwin. As the evidence changed, the theory of natural selection was modified slightly. Darwin got a lot of things right, but he certainly wasn't infallible. For example, he didn't know how genetics worked. Once we learned about Mendelian genetics, a few modifications were made to the theory.

Saying evolution doesn't explain the origin of life is a non sequitur. It is equivalent to saying the theory of relativity doesn't explain the origin of life, and is therefore wrong. Natural selection makes no attempt to explain the origin of life, only what happened to life after it had arisen.

We do have hypotheses about abiogenesis, and how it could have happened from non-living matter, but don't lump that in with evolution. The two are fundamentally different.

My point is they are nothing but theories. Its your choice weather you believe any of them or not.

When you say they, I assume you are referring to evolution and creationism. The two are not analogous. Natural selection is consistent with the evidence, and predicts what we should find in the fossil record and genomes of organisms. Creationism can be made to be consistent with the evidence, but it makes no predictions and cannot be tested. Therefore creationism isn't anywhere near a theory. At best it is a very bad hypothesis.

Also, I have a question. Can you define evolution?


That is an interesting question, because evolution suggest that humans are derived from primates. So how is it then that creatures like Monkeys and Apes still exist if we're created from them by process of evolution.

People say that we evolved from monkeys, and while they are technically correct, the statement is misleading. Humans and modern day monkeys share a common ancestor. That common ancestor was a monkey, but not any monkey that exists today. From that ancestor there were branches that lead to modern monkeys and another that lead to apes. The same thing applies when you say we evolved from apes. We have an extinct common ancestor with the other apes, but we are not descended from extant apes.

[Chelsea716]

While the evidence for evolution as massive, I only sorta believe in it. I think animals not only evolved, but also adapting.

[Camazotz]

No no no no no no no no no. Evolution is a fact as much as anything can be considered a fact. There are mountains of evidence. You can't have a point of view about a fact. It's true irrespective.

Abiogenesis is a totally different field of science; how abiogenesis occurred is nothing to do with evolution and the fact that there is less concrete fact known about abiogenesis is not a "hole" in the theory of evolution.

You can't have an opinion that disagrees with scientific fact. Well, you can, I suppose, but it's wrong.

Please look up the scientific definition of "theory". Gigablue posts it routinely in these threads when people like you spout about how something is "just a theory".

We're not. Ourselves and the apes (and every other species on the planet, if you trace back far enough) have a common ancestor.

http://www.evolutionfaq.com/faq/if-man-evolved-ape-then-why-are-there-still-apes

Just a very quick google from a reasonably reputable-looking site. It's a common question and so has been addressed innumerable times. I'm sure you could find more.

This guy is doing everything. I completely agree with everything he's saying, and his counter-arguments are executed well. All of his information is also correct, so that's a plus :D

I believe in evolution and I also do not believe in a god.

[tundravortex]

so from wat I learned ofevolution...we became human by a monkey standing up right

[Korashk]

so from wat I learned ofevolution...we became human by a monkey standing up right
Then whoever taught you about evolution should be fired.

[tovaris]

[QUOTE=Harry Smith;2352634]as said above of course they're would be mistakes in his work, that doesn't mean you can dismiss the whole theory.

That is the point it is a theory. Its one persons point of view no more no less.
Its a proven fact that Darwins theory is full of holes like the animals that just showed up one day and have been here ever since. Where did they come from ??? they did not evolve from anything. were they Created or brought here to Earth by Aliens who knows. My point is they are nothing but theories. Its your choice weather you believe any of them or not.

It has also been prowen in practice, they put colorful fish into streems and after a few generations they turned gray and other unobvious colours

[teen.jpg]

I don't believe in either. It doesn't matter to me, all that matters is that were here now.

[Gopher]

Yes i believe in it, it makes the most sense to me.

[Miserabilia]

That is an interesting question, because evolution suggest that humans are derived from primates. So how is it then that creatures like Monkeys and Apes still exist if we're created from them by process of evolution.

However I suppose I do believe in evolution due to the archaeological knowledge I have of Dinosaurs, which is a lot. Like 50 books, 100 documentaries, 10 museums, 200 hours of research online, and 30 fossils worth of knowledge. Still though I maintain a cognitive dissonance when it comes to evolution in the broad scale of things.

Humans and primates are like brothers/sisters, not children. (not sure how else to say it in english, but I hope you know what i mean)

[Miserabilia]

I don't believe in either. It doesn't matter to me, all that matters is that were here now.

Why wouldn't it matter? It gives us great knowledge of how life works