North Korea

[Walter Powers]

What is your opinion on North Korea (The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea), perhaps the most communist country left in the world? And what's your opinion on Dear Leader Kim Jong Un?

First, let me just say how ironic the countries name is. North Korea is anything but democratic.

Double Post Merged~ Red Velvet

[Cygnus]

Saying it is the most communist country is actually wrong, Cuba has the purest form of communism even though it doesn't come close to true communism. My opinion is that they suck at football (real football not gringo one) and that their dictator is an incapable person.

[TheBigUnit]

Chinas rabid dog

[Camazotz]

You know countries aren't democratic if it has the word "Democratic" in its name (like the Democratic People's Republic of China and the Democratic Republic of Congo).

[Walter Powers]

You know countries aren't democratic if it has the word "Democratic" in its name (like the Democratic People's Republic of China and the Democratic Republic of Congo).

Exactly. And "the people's" is another red flag.

[Southside]

Not even communism really, just a military dictatorship. I just hope the North Korean people are one day able to rise up against the regime, other than I think we should isolate them until they stop with the nuke threats and propaganda threats. We shouldnt even send them food aid or anything, if you have enough money to launch missiles and shit like that, you should have money to feed your citizens.

North Korea=Chinese Puppet State

[Korashk]

Not even communism really, just a military dictatorship. I just hope the North Korean people are one day able to rise up against the regime, other than I think we should isolate them until they stop with the nuke threats and propaganda threats. We shouldnt even send them food aid or anything, if you have enough money to launch missiles and shit like that, you should have money to feed your citizens.

North Korea=Chinese Puppet State
The people of North Korea will never rise up because the only ones who get food are the ones that directly serve, and are loyal to, the government.

[tovaris]

North Korea isnt a communist coj try by any trate exept the name.
The underdeveloped state ruled by a dictator family, and the oversized army... I do hope thy manage to overthrow the dictators as soom as posible and free themselves from shakels of human greed.

Exactly. And "the people's" is another red flag.

The read flag and the five pointed star yre another read flag

Not even communism really, just a military dictatorship. I just hope the North Korean people are one day able to rise up against the regime,

[Human]

Just because North Korea is a harsh dictatorship it doesn't mean it's the 'most communist'
My opinion, is obviously that it's wrong

[Walter Powers]

Just because North Korea is a harsh dictatorship it doesn't mean it's the 'most communist'
My opinion, is obviously that it's wrong

Have you seen the documentaries on it where they go inside?

What country do you think is more communist?

[Stronk Serb]

Have you seen the documentaries on it where they go inside?

What country do you think is more communist?

A true communist country is a country in which:
1. The state is the biggest employer
2. There are elections
3. Personal property does not exist
4. You get as much as you worked for
5. Lack of currency, you get in supplies and electricity as much as you worked for

Now, that is impossible in humanity's current state, but the most communist country I can think of was Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (SFRY, ceased to exist) or Cuba. None of those were close to the real thing, but were closer to communism then the regimes in the Soviet Union and North Korea. North Korea is a monarchist fascist dictatorship painted in red. The US is more communist on that matter.

[Walter Powers]

A true communist country is a country in which:
1. The state is the biggest employer
2. There are elections
3. Personal property does not exist
4. You get as much as you worked for
5. Lack of currency, you get in supplies and electricity as much as you worked for

Now, that is impossible in humanity's current state, but the most communist country I can think of was Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (SFRY, ceased to exist) or Cuba. None of those were close to the real thing, but were closer to communism then the regimes in the Soviet Union and North Korea. North Korea is a monarchist fascist dictatorship painted in red. The US is more communist on that matter.

Do I need to put you on my ignore list? How many times do I have to tell you: Your political utopia is impossible. The current definition of communism is North Korea; that's what we learn in the schools of the developed world.

The US is more communist then North Korea? Are you crazy?

[STEALTHy]

North Korea is a relatively weak nation. Besides there numbers in military personnel which is twice of that of South Korea. A war with North Korea alone with US, South Korea, Japan, and possibly Taiwan. Would be an easy campaign just like in the 1950's. However if China back them up and sent 500,000 angry China men at our forces. We would we be outnumbered on a major scale.

Did somebody say something about North Korean people rising up and getting rid of aid for that nation. Are you crazy? A large percentage of people and whole generations of families are locked up in coal mines. The offspring of those families in those mines will stay in there too. The massive majority of the nation eats mud pies, and if their lucky potatoes. If the foreign aid was to stop to North Korea, a large population of the nation would die. That's like pulling the plug on somebody in the hospital.

The only hope for North Korea is if China actually helps them since they're allies. Or if the nation is over thrown by an outside force. Everything else is extremely unlikely.

[Stronk Serb]

Do I need to put you on my ignore list? How many times do I have to tell you: Your political utopia is impossible. The current definition of communism is North Korea; that's what we learn in the schools of the developed world.

The US is more communist then North Korea? Are you crazy?

Then you are lied to. North Korea is not communist, whoever wrote that it is is an imbecile who probably has less education on the matter then you. Let's see, what is a communist trait that you have and North Korea doesn't? Elections! I just stated that the US is more communist since North Korea has strayed into monarchist fascism in it's purest form. And, I find it funny how you use the term 'developed world'. Serbia is not a Third World country, it is a Second World one, and so are many other advanced countries in the east.

[STEALTHy]

Then you are lied to. North Korea is not communist, whoever wrote that it is is an imbecile who probably has less education on the matter then you. Let's see, what is a communist trait that you have and North Korea doesn't? Elections! I just stated that the US is more communist since North Korea has strayed into monarchist fascism in it's purest form. And, I find it funny how you use the term 'developed world'. Serbia is not a Third World country, it is a Second World one, and so are many other advanced countries in the east.

How about you look at facts instead of your opinions.

Country name:

conventional long form: Democratic People's Republic of Korea
conventional short form: North Korea
local long form: Choson-minjujuui-inmin-konghwaguk
local short form: Choson
abbreviation: DPRK
Government type:

Communist state one-man dictatorship
Capital:

name: Pyongyang
geographic coordinates: 39 01 N, 125 45 E
time difference: UTC+9 (14 hours ahead of Washington, DC during Standard Time)
Administrative divisions:

9 provinces (do, singular and plural) and 2 municipalities (si, singular and plural)
provinces: Chagang-do (Chagang), Hamgyong-bukto (North Hamgyong), Hamgyong-namdo (South Hamgyong), Hwanghae-bukto (North Hwanghae), Hwanghae-namdo (South Hwanghae), Kangwon-do (Kangwon), P'yongan-bukto (North P'yongan), P'yongan-namdo (South P'yongan), Yanggang-do (Yanggang)
municipalities: Nason-si, P'yongyang-si (Pyongyang)
Independence:

15 August 1945 (from Japan)
National holiday:

Founding of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK), 9 September (1948)
Constitution:

adopted 1948; revised several times
Legal system:

civil law system based on the Prussian model; system influenced by Japanese traditions and Communist legal theory
International law organization participation:

has not submitted an ICJ jurisdiction declaration; non-party state to the ICCt
Suffrage:

17 years of age; universal
Executive branch:

chief of state: KIM Jong Un (since 17 December 2011) note - the rubberstamp Supreme People's Assembly (SPA) reelected KIM Yong Nam in 2009 president of its Presidium with responsibility of representing state and receiving diplomatic credentials
head of government: Premier PAK Pong-ju (since 2 April 2013); Vice Premiers: HAN Kwang Bok (since 7 June 2010), JO Pyong Ju (since 7 June 2010), JON Ha Chol (since 7 June 2010), KANG Nung Su (since 7 June 2010), KANG Sok Ju (since 23 September 2010), KIM In Sik (since 13 April 2012), KIM Rak Hui (since 7 June 2010), KIM Yong Jin (since 6 January 2012), PAK Su Gil (since 18 September 2009), RI Chol Man (since 13 April 2012), RI Mu Yong (since 31 May 2011), RI Sung Ho (since 13 April 2012), RO Tu Chol (since 3 September 2003)
cabinet: Naegak (cabinet) members, except for Minister of People's Armed Forces, are appointed by SPA
(For more information visit the World Leaders website )
elections: last election held in April 2012; date of next election NA
election results: KIM Jong Un elected unopposed
Legislative branch:

unicameral Supreme People's Assembly or Ch'oego Inmin Hoeui (687 seats; members elected by popular vote to serve five-year terms)
elections: last held on 8 March 2009 (next to be held in March 2014)
election results: percent of vote by party - NA; seats by party - NA; ruling party approves a list of candidates who are elected without opposition; a token number of seats are reserved for minor parties
Judicial branch:

Central Court (judges are elected by the Supreme People's Assembly)
Political parties and leaders:

major party - Korean Workers' Party or KWP [KIM Jong Un]; minor parties - Chondoist Chongu Party [RYU Mi Yong] (under KWP control), Social Democratic Party [KIM Yong Dae] (under KWP control)
Political pressure groups and leaders:

none
International organization participation:

ARF, FAO, G-77, ICAO, ICC (NGOs), ICRM, IFAD, IFRCS, IHO, IMO, IOC, IPU, ISO, ITSO, ITU, NAM, UN, UNCTAD, UNESCO, UNIDO, UNWTO, UPU, WFTU (NGOs), WHO, WIPO, WMO
Diplomatic representation in the US:

none; North Korea has a Permanent Mission to the UN in New York
Diplomatic representation from the US:

none; note - Swedish Embassy in Pyongyang represents the US as consular protecting power
Flag description:

three horizontal bands of blue (top), red (triple width), and blue; the red band is edged in white; on the hoist side of the red band is a white disk with a red five-pointed star; the broad red band symbolizes revolutionary traditions; the narrow white bands stands for purity, strength, and dignity; the blue bands signify sovereignty, peace, and friendship; the red star represents socialism
National symbol(s):

red star
National anthem:

name: "Aegukka" (Patriotic Song)
lyrics/music: PAK Se Yong/KIM Won Gyun
note: adopted 1947; both North Korea and South Korea's anthems share the same name and have a vaguely similar melody but have different lyrics; the North Korean anthem is also known as "Ach'imun pinnara" (Let Morning Shine)

[Azunite]

What is your opinion on North Korea (The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea), perhaps the most communist country left in the world? And what's your opinion on Dear Leader Kim Jong Un?

First, let me just say how ironic the countries name is. North Korea is anything but democratic.

Double Post Merged~ Red Velvet

They may name themselves communists, but they are not.

The same thing goes with China as well: Communist Party rules them but they are not communist.

North Korea is just a police state.

[Stronk Serb]

How about you look at facts instead of your opinions.

Country name:

conventional long form: Democratic People's Republic of Korea
conventional short form: North Korea
local long form: Choson-minjujuui-inmin-konghwaguk
local short form: Choson
abbreviation: DPRK
Government type:

Communist state one-man dictatorship
Capital:

name: Pyongyang
geographic coordinates: 39 01 N, 125 45 E
time difference: UTC+9 (14 hours ahead of Washington, DC during Standard Time)
Administrative divisions:

9 provinces (do, singular and plural) and 2 municipalities (si, singular and plural)
provinces: Chagang-do (Chagang), Hamgyong-bukto (North Hamgyong), Hamgyong-namdo (South Hamgyong), Hwanghae-bukto (North Hwanghae), Hwanghae-namdo (South Hwanghae), Kangwon-do (Kangwon), P'yongan-bukto (North P'yongan), P'yongan-namdo (South P'yongan), Yanggang-do (Yanggang)
municipalities: Nason-si, P'yongyang-si (Pyongyang)
Independence:

15 August 1945 (from Japan)
National holiday:

Founding of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK), 9 September (1948)
Constitution:

adopted 1948; revised several times
Legal system:

civil law system based on the Prussian model; system influenced by Japanese traditions and Communist legal theory
International law organization participation:

has not submitted an ICJ jurisdiction declaration; non-party state to the ICCt
Suffrage:

17 years of age; universal
Executive branch:

chief of state: KIM Jong Un (since 17 December 2011) note - the rubberstamp Supreme People's Assembly (SPA) reelected KIM Yong Nam in 2009 president of its Presidium with responsibility of representing state and receiving diplomatic credentials
head of government: Premier PAK Pong-ju (since 2 April 2013); Vice Premiers: HAN Kwang Bok (since 7 June 2010), JO Pyong Ju (since 7 June 2010), JON Ha Chol (since 7 June 2010), KANG Nung Su (since 7 June 2010), KANG Sok Ju (since 23 September 2010), KIM In Sik (since 13 April 2012), KIM Rak Hui (since 7 June 2010), KIM Yong Jin (since 6 January 2012), PAK Su Gil (since 18 September 2009), RI Chol Man (since 13 April 2012), RI Mu Yong (since 31 May 2011), RI Sung Ho (since 13 April 2012), RO Tu Chol (since 3 September 2003)
cabinet: Naegak (cabinet) members, except for Minister of People's Armed Forces, are appointed by SPA
(For more information visit the World Leaders website )
elections: last election held in April 2012; date of next election NA
election results: KIM Jong Un elected unopposed
Legislative branch:

unicameral Supreme People's Assembly or Ch'oego Inmin Hoeui (687 seats; members elected by popular vote to serve five-year terms)
elections: last held on 8 March 2009 (next to be held in March 2014)
election results: percent of vote by party - NA; seats by party - NA; ruling party approves a list of candidates who are elected without opposition; a token number of seats are reserved for minor parties
Judicial branch:

Central Court (judges are elected by the Supreme People's Assembly)
Political parties and leaders:

major party - Korean Workers' Party or KWP [KIM Jong Un]; minor parties - Chondoist Chongu Party [RYU Mi Yong] (under KWP control), Social Democratic Party [KIM Yong Dae] (under KWP control)
Political pressure groups and leaders:

none
International organization participation:

ARF, FAO, G-77, ICAO, ICC (NGOs), ICRM, IFAD, IFRCS, IHO, IMO, IOC, IPU, ISO, ITSO, ITU, NAM, UN, UNCTAD, UNESCO, UNIDO, UNWTO, UPU, WFTU (NGOs), WHO, WIPO, WMO
Diplomatic representation in the US:

none; North Korea has a Permanent Mission to the UN in New York
Diplomatic representation from the US:

none; note - Swedish Embassy in Pyongyang represents the US as consular protecting power
Flag description:

three horizontal bands of blue (top), red (triple width), and blue; the red band is edged in white; on the hoist side of the red band is a white disk with a red five-pointed star; the broad red band symbolizes revolutionary traditions; the narrow white bands stands for purity, strength, and dignity; the blue bands signify sovereignty, peace, and friendship; the red star represents socialism
National symbol(s):

red star
National anthem:

name: "Aegukka" (Patriotic Song)
lyrics/music: PAK Se Yong/KIM Won Gyun
note: adopted 1947; both North Korea and South Korea's anthems share the same name and have a vaguely similar melody but have different lyrics; the North Korean anthem is also known as "Ach'imun pinnara" (Let Morning Shine)


How about you read what communism actually is, instead of posting things like that?

[STEALTHy]

How about you read what communism actually is, instead of posting things like that? What I posted was pure 100% fact, look it up.

[Stronk Serb]

What I posted was pure 100% fact, look it up.

They call themselves communists, but are fascists. For example, I am a dictator and claim to be a democrat, that is BS isn't it? Or I am a capitalist president in a state where the government has no companies and claim to be a communist, that would also be BS. North Korea is closer to fascism, just because they call themselves communist does not mean they actually are.

[STEALTHy]

They call themselves communists, but are fascists. For example, I am a dictator and claim to be a democrat, that is BS isn't it? Or I am a capitalist president in a state where the government has no companies and claim to be a communist, that would also be BS. North Korea is closer to fascism, just because they call themselves communist does not mean they actually are.

I honestly don't care, here's the world factbook and in the world factbook it says they're government type is Communist state one-man dictatorship.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/kn.html

[tovaris]

I honestly don't care, here's the world factbook and in the world factbook it says they're government type is Communist state one-man dictatorship.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/kn.html

Do you seriously believe the CIA?
What part of the fact that communism does not exist with one man or smal grup dictatorship? Its as simple as that, get rid of tirans, kings, cars, dictators... and build communism, not get a dictator and call it commuism.

[Walter Powers]

Do you seriously believe the CIA?
What part of the fact that communism does not exist with one man or smal grup dictatorship? Its as simple as that, get rid of tirans, kings, cars, dictators... and build communism, not get a dictator and call it commuism.

You don't trust the CIA World Factbook? What source DO you trust to get this information? I'm sorry, but if both the CIA and the North Korean state-owned media, polar opposites, say the country is communist, North Korea is communist.

[sam927]

You don't trust the CIA World Factbook? What source DO you trust to get this information? I'm sorry, but if both the CIA and the North Korean state-owned media, polar opposites, say the country is communist, North Korea is communist.

I wouldn't say North Korea is communist. They can call themselves that all they want, but they have flawed communism: there is a huge gab between the wealthy and poor. There are millions starving and then there's WPK members living in luxury in Pyongyang. A true communist society would have everyone equal.
Obviously they call themselves communist and claim that the 'juche policy' leads the country while obviously its the military and the Kim family's inner circle. The CIA calls it communist because the DPRK calls itself communist and sort of falls in this weird void where it can't really be called anything. I could call myself an alien from Zulu; however, I am not.

[Walter Powers]

I wouldn't say North Korea is communist. They can call themselves that all they want, but they have flawed communism: there is a huge gab between the wealthy and poor. There are millions starving and then there's WPK members living in luxury in Pyongyang. A true communist society would have everyone equal.
Obviously they call themselves communist and claim that the 'juche policy' leads the country while obviously its the military and the Kim family's inner circle. The CIA calls it communist because the DPRK calls itself communist and sort of falls in this weird void where it can't really be called anything. I could call myself an alien from Zulu; however, I am not.

This isn't what communism is meant to be, but the bottom line is it's how it always turns out to be when the goal is true communism. That's how they are communist.

[sam927]

This isn't what communism is meant to be, but the bottom line is it's how it always turns out to be when the goal is true communism. That's how they are communist.

They're not communist if its half-baked. They're either communist or not. They haven't achieved what communism really is, so they're not communist. That's like taking a bag of flour and calling it a cake. North Korea has not yet (and will never) reach communism, and that flour isn't cake.

On the other hand, there is only one actual free-market economy in the world: Somalia.

[Walter Powers]

They're not communist if its half-baked. They're either communist or not. They haven't achieved what communism really is, so they're not communist. That's like taking a bag of flour and calling it a cake. North Korea has not yet (and will never) reach communism, and that flour isn't cake.

On the other hand, there is only one actual free-market economy in the world: Somalia.

So you think something has to perfectly fit into a category to classify it? We'd never be able to learn anything if that's how we went about things.


PS Somalia isn't free market because they still tax you, it's just in the form of holding a machete to your head and demanding money.

[sam927]

So you think something has to perfectly fit into a category to classify it? We'd never be able to learn anything if that's how we went about things.


PS Somalia isn't free market because they still tax you, it's just in the form of holding a machete to your head and demanding money.


That's like calling an octopus a spider because it has 8 limbs. So yes, It does have to perfectly fit.

Actual government taxes are barely collected in Somalia. The lack of any regulation and a lack of a central strong government -- free market paradise!

[Walter Powers]

That's like calling an octopus a spider because it has 8 limbs. So yes, It does have to perfectly fit.

Actual government taxes are barely collected in Somalia. The lack of any regulation and a lack of a central strong government -- free market paradise!

Curious, why are you defending communism?

So the US isn't a constitutional republic?

[sam927]

Curious, why are you defending communism?

So the US isn't a constitutional republic?

It's not defending communism if I say that half-baked communism isn't actual communism.

[britishboy]

It's not defending communism if I say that half-baked communism isn't actual communism.

actually it is communism just not pure communism and lets be honest pure communism is impossible, communism will only succeed with fear and terror

[Stronk Serb]

It's not defending communism if I say that half-baked communism isn't actual communism.

I agree. You do not have to be communist to bring out facts about it.

actually it is communism just not pure communism and lets be honest pure communism is impossible, communism will only succeed with fear and terror

But that is not communism then >.>
It is not communism. It is closer to fascism then Lenin's version of communism which also wasn't that perfect.

[STEALTHy]

I wouldn't say North Korea is communist. They can call themselves that all they want, but they have flawed communism: there is a huge gab between the wealthy and poor. There are millions starving and then there's WPK members living in luxury in Pyongyang. A true communist society would have everyone equal.
Obviously they call themselves communist and claim that the 'juche policy' leads the country while obviously its the military and the Kim family's inner circle. The CIA calls it communist because the DPRK calls itself communist and sort of falls in this weird void where it can't really be called anything. I could call myself an alien from Zulu; however, I am not.

Not to be a jerk or anything but I just wanna look at this quote from you briefly.

"but they have flawed communism" Can you tell me one nation in the history of man kind who has ever had successful communism? To me though all of North Korea in a sense is equal, by that I mean their all in deep dung.

[britishboy]

But that is not communism then >.>
It is not communism. It is closer to fascism then Lenin's version of communism which also wasn't that perfect.

I dont know why you guys dont accept it, china is rich and is real unlike your impossible dream

[Azunite]

I dont know why you guys dont accept it, china is rich and is real unlike your impossible dream

Once again we have to deal with your petty ignorance.

China is NOT rich.

It's governors, ministers, company leaders are rich, but the people are not. They are rich because they are corrupt. People are poor because all the money goes to their leaders.

That is why China isn't communism. They started as communists, very true, but just like any other communist system they got corrupted as well and this is their current situation.

In order for communism to work, not just one country, but all countries must be communist.

China got affected by outside capitalism and it was very natural for their leaders to say "Hey, we want money too."

Labour classes of rich countries go to vacation, wheres the labours of China can barely leave their city for a domestic trip.

[britishboy]

Once again we have to deal with your petty ignorance.

China is NOT rich.

It's governors, ministers, company leaders are rich, but the people are not. They are rich because they are corrupt. People are poor because all the money goes to their leaders.

That is why China isn't communism. They started as communists, very true, but just like any other communist system they got corrupted as well and this is their current situation.

In order for communism to work, not just one country, but all countries must be communist.

China got affected by outside capitalism and it was very natural for their leaders to say "Hey, we want money too."

Labour classes of rich countries go to vacation, wheres the labours of China can barely leave their city for a domestic trip.

biggest economy? thought to be the country to fix the international financial crisis? china is the only good thing in communism however you are right its not 'pure' communism and this will never exist, something you communists have to understand!

[tovaris]

You don't trust the CIA World Factbook? What source DO you trust to get this information? I'm sorry, but if both the CIA and the North Korean state-owned media, polar opposites, say the country is communist, North Korea is communist.
Americans and N Korea arent that diferent Korea is just the extreem version.
It suites both propaganda machines to proclame it communist.

actually it is communism just not pure communism and lets be honest pure communism is impossible, communism will only succeed with fear and terror

Fear and teror are agaice the foundations of the ideologie

[Stronk Serb]

I dont know why you guys dont accept it, china is rich and is real unlike your impossible dream

It is not communist since no one is more or lessfinancially equal. Same goes for North Korea. Get that into your head.

biggest economy? thought to be the country to fix the international financial crisis? china is the only good thing in communism however you are right its not 'pure' communism and this will never exist, something you communists have to understand!

China has strayed so far that it is not even worth being called communist.

[sam927]

Not to be a jerk or anything but I just wanna look at this quote from you briefly.

"but they have flawed communism" Can you tell me one nation in the history of man kind who has ever had successful communism? To me though all of North Korea in a sense is equal, by that I mean their all in deep dung.

There has never been a place with perfect communism (unless you look at the little communes of the 60s).
And there is HUGE income disparity in North Korea. You have top-level wealthy officials living in Pyongyang while others living outside of the capital are starving to death.

[britishboy]

There has never been a place with perfect communism (unless you look at the little communes of the 60s).
And there is HUGE income disparity in North Korea. You have top-level wealthy officials living in Pyongyang while others living outside of the capital are starving to death.

let me guess your a communist?

[Walter Powers]

let me guess your a communist?

Maybe I should report him to the NSA. He could be a traitor. He could be a communist American- which is an oxymoron. We need to neutralize him :) Joking.

[Walter Powers]

I recently learned Kim Jong Un is having his cabinet read Hitler's book. I'm not kidding.

[tovaris]

I recently learned Kim Jong Un is having his cabinet read Hitler's book. I'm not kidding.

Makes sense totalitarium regimes learning from other totalitariums.

[Stronk Serb]

I recently learned Kim Jong Un is having his cabinet read Hitler's book. I'm not kidding.

It doesn't surprise me. Younger totalitarian regimes have to learn from the older ones. Let's just hope they don't start burning Jews.

[Walter Powers]

It doesn't surprise me. Younger totalitarian regimes have to learn from the older ones. Let's just hope they don't start burning Jews.

The US intelligence agencies tell us that he's running nazi like camps inside his country that you are thrown in if you break the law or say something Un doesn't like.

[britishboy]

The US intelligence agencies tell us that he's running nazi like camps inside his country that you are thrown in if you break the law or say something Un doesn't like.

and if your imprisoned so are your children and gran children and in the winter, when its to cold for bodies to be beried, they stack the bodies up in a barn and when they go to bury them in winter they have all decomposed and get prisoners to shovel the remains out

[tovaris]

The US intelligence agencies tell us that he's running nazi like camps inside his country that you are thrown in if you break the law or say something Un doesn't like.

Do you know what happend with the footbal plaiers who lost is south africa? They are working in coal mines today.

[Walter Powers]

Do you know what happend with the footbal plaiers who lost is south africa? They are working in coal mines today.

You mean soccer players?

[britishboy]

You mean soccer players?

no football only america calls it soccer lol

[Walter Powers]

no football only america calls it soccer lol

Fine, we compromise. International football.

[PinkFloyd]

They are like a few kids in my class.

North Korea thinks that it's hot shit when it's just really----not. They brag about their nuclear weapons, but most know that they will never use it, because if they do, they will get fucked up by at least 2 world powers. Correct me if I'm wrong on this please. World news isn't something I know all that much about.

[britishboy]

They are like a few kids in my class.

North Korea thinks that it's hot shit when it's just really----not. They brag about their nuclear weapons, but most know that they will never use it, because if they do, they will get fucked up by at least 2 world powers. Correct me if I'm wrong on this please. World news isn't something I know all that much about.

agreed:p america is a superpower that will fuck em up and britian will of course help you and were a world power so yeah theyre fucked and I like the comparison with people in your class:p

Fine, we compromise. International football.

haha ok:p

[Azunite]

Fine, we compromise. International football.

I am amazed how Americans call a game football whereas you use your hand in game which has an egg shaped object.

[PinkFloyd]

agreed:p america is a superpower that will fuck em up and britian will of course help you and were a world power so yeah theyre fucked and I like the comparison with people in your class:p

I love how you knew I was talking about America and Britain. :D

[tovaris]

You mean soccer players?

you play it with your feet, you kik the bal etc footbal (not what the americans use thvord for) :);):)

[Stronk Serb]

The US intelligence agencies tell us that he's running nazi like camps inside his country that you are thrown in if you break the law or say something Un doesn't like.

and if your imprisoned so are your children and gran children and in the winter, when its to cold for bodies to be beried, they stack the bodies up in a barn and when they go to bury them in winter they have all decomposed and get prisoners to shovel the remains out

That was common for all totalitarian communist/socialist regimes. It doesn't surprise me. Does the CIA say that they think that the North Koreans are a master race? If so, we are all fucked! Joking, there is no North Korean ethnicity. Only Korean.

Do you know what happend with the footbal plaiers who lost is south africa? They are working in coal mines today.

Woohoo more coal for everyone! Jokes aside, North Korea is becoming more more Nazi. It is already Stalinist.

[Walter Powers]

That was common for all totalitarian communist/socialist regimes. It doesn't surprise me. Does the CIA say that they think that the North Koreans are a master race? If so, we are all fucked! Joking, there is no North Korean ethnicity. Only Korean.



Woohoo more coal for everyone! Jokes aside, North Korea is becoming more more Nazi. It is already Stalinist.

Ha! So you admit it! North Korea was communist!

[Stronk Serb]

Ha! So you admit it! North Korea was communist!

Maybe in the first years after the revolution, but it went into monarchy and Stalinism, and now Nazism, wtf is going on over there?.

[tovaris]

Ha! So you admit it! North Korea was communist!

was being the kee word, they wanted and started the path ti communism in a shot momemt in history but have long straied from that path right into totaritarism

[Harry Smith]

was being the kee word, they wanted and started the path ti communism in a shot momemt in history but have long straied from that path right into totaritarism

But it shares similarities with communism such as communal farms which have caused millions of people to die of hunger due to rations equaling a handful of rice, they have a strict work based structure- a bell goes off at 7 in the morning in cities to wake up and get workers to go to the Factories, sounds similar to your ideas of forcing people into work does it not?

[tovaris]

But it shares similarities with communism such as communal farms which have caused millions of people to die of hunger due to rations equaling a handful of rice, they have a strict work based structure- a bell goes off at 7 in the morning in cities to wake up and get workers to go to the Factories, sounds similar to your ideas of forcing people into work does it not?

Commumism doesnt force peopl to work nore does it work them to deth, commumism is to take care of people not torture the Natzy stile like they do in Korea.

[Harry Smith]

Commumism doesnt force peopl to work nore does it work them to deth, commumism is to take care of people not torture the Natzy stile like they do in Korea.

Then what are you going to do when half of the your work force refuse to work in the morning, send in the army?

[tovaris]

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[Harry Smith]

They will work because they will like what they do and society will be much ,ore evolved.

that's just plain wrong, if your theory was true then there would be much lower employment rates for graduates.

For example in Britain someone goes to university for 4 years and then gets a degree, do they then want to work in McDonald? No so they stay at home and don't go to work.

If your theory was true then we would have all are qualified workforce in jobs. If your introduced communism into Britain tomorrow you would have people refusing to work because humanity can't evolve over night

[Stronk Serb]

that's just plain wrong, if your theory was true then there would be much lower employment rates for graduates.

For example in Britain someone goes to university for 4 years and then gets a degree, do they then want to work in McDonald? No so they stay at home and don't go to work.

If your theory was true then we would have all are qualified workforce in jobs. If your introduced communism into Britain tomorrow you would have people refusing to work because humanity can't evolve over night

I agree it is not going to happen over night. It will take dozens of generations committed to it, which will happen when the current regimes fuck up so much. When I say fuck up so much, I mean a same or worse situation like in Imperial Russia.

[Harry Smith]

I agree it is not going to happen over night. It will take dozens of generations committed to it, which will happen when the current regimes fuck up so much. When I say fuck up so much, I mean a same or worse situation like in Imperial Russia.

Your going to need a war for that to happen,I mean Russia had problems but WW1 pretty much confirmed it for them. Back then Lenin and the party thought that communism would spread across the whole of the world but it didn't. A new world order through communism isn't going to occur without ww3

[britishboy]

Your going to need a war for that to happen,I mean Russia had problems but WW1 pretty much confirmed it for them. Back then Lenin and the party thought that communism would spread across the whole of the world but it didn't. A new world order through communism isn't going to occur without ww3

and public support will be needed, something that currently looks impossible

[Stronk Serb]

Your going to need a war for that to happen,I mean Russia had problems but WW1 pretty much confirmed it for them. Back then Lenin and the party thought that communism would spread across the whole of the world but it didn't. A new world order through communism isn't going to occur without ww3

It would have spread if it was not for Stalin's isolationist policy. Trotsky wanted to spread communism.

and public support will be needed, something that currently looks impossible

Who knows what will happen.

[Capto]

Isn't this thread for discussing North Korea?

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Regardless, I'm going to disagree with the OP that North Korea is communist. It's merely a hereditary dictatorship with a ridiculously über-outlandish revanchist familial head and a juche nationalist-esque ideology that is dedicated to the eradication of the once poor South Korean state and the incorporation of that state into once-great 'Best Korea'.

Of course, I'm rather irked that people call them 'communist'. As if.

And I'm also irked at the amount of North Koreans that cross the Yebu into Manchuria, but that's another discussion for another time.

[britishboy]

Isn't this thread for discussing North Korea?

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Regardless, I'm going to disagree with the OP that North Korea is communist. It's merely a hereditary dictatorship with a ridiculously über-outlandish revanchist familial head and a juche nationalist-esque ideology that is dedicated to the eradication of the once poor South Korean state and the incorporation of that state into once-great 'Best Korea'.

Of course, I'm rather irked that people call them 'communist'. As if.

And I'm also irked at the amount of North Koreans that cross the Yebu into Manchuria, but that's another discussion for another time.

north korea is real communism, in the sence it actually exists rather that you impossible, laughable, pure communism dream

[TheSocialInspector]

Nah, to call North Korea a Dictatorship-state is an understatement. North Korea's a totalitarian state under the leadership of delusional people who are fanatical of women clad in thick fabric marching around and saluting their "glorious leader".

What can I say, man? North Korea is Best Korea.

[Capto]

Oh yeah, also, the juche ideology is just ridiculous.

[JRwulf64]

What is your opinion on North Korea (The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea), perhaps the most communist country left in the world? And what's your opinion on Dear Leader Kim Jong Un?

First, let me just say how ironic the countries name is. North Korea is anything but democratic.

Double Post Merged~ Red Velvet

I say we just send in navy seals like we did with osama bin laden and just take him out. Cut the head off the snake. Give people the choice to pick their own government. If they pick communism fine, but no nukes.

[Capto]

I say we just send in navy seals like we did with osama bin laden and just take him out. Cut the head off the snake. Give people the choice to pick their own government. If they pick communism fine, but no nukes.

That's just not going to work without any sort of collateral damage to SK.

[steve102998]

its funny now korea wants peace even though they started it

[whatsgoinon53]

What is your opinion on North Korea (The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea), perhaps the most communist country left in the world? And what's your opinion on Dear Leader Kim Jong Un?

First, let me just say how ironic the countries name is. North Korea is anything but democratic.

Double Post Merged~ Red Velvet

North Korea definitely needs to change it's name sometime soon. I think that they need to transition into a different kind of goverment. Go from Dictatorship or a Totalitarian government to a republic or a PROPER Democratic government.

BTW; I'm glad this thread hasn't become racist towards North Korea as many other people (including Hollywood directors) have.

[Sugaree]

North Korea definitely needs to change it's name sometime soon. I think that they need to transition into a different kind of goverment. Go from Dictatorship or a Totalitarian government to a republic or a PROPER Democratic government.

BTW; I'm glad this thread hasn't become racist towards North Korea as many other people (including Hollywood directors) have.

How is despising the way a government is ran racist? How is it racist to despise the fact that leaders of a totalitarian government are letting their own people starve to death in concentration camps and forcing them to do hard labor? If despising the idea of an authoritarian government is racist, then I don't want to be right in that regard.

[Stronk Serb]

north korea is real communism, in the sence it actually exists rather that you impossible, laughable, pure communism dream


Hmmm, their policies are not even 95% of Marx's teachings so they are not communist. They are closer to fascism, Nazism and state capitalism, since everything is controlled by the state, the state is controlled by the party, and the party is controlled by Kim Jong Un. That is even further then Lenin's Soviet Union. And what is there laughable? The fact that if it works, humanity will achieve perfection?

[britishboy]

Hmmm, their policies are not even 95% of Marx's teachings so they are not communist. They are closer to fascism, Nazism and state capitalism, since everything is controlled by the state, the state is controlled by the party, and the party is controlled by Kim Jong Un. That is even further then Lenin's Soviet Union. And what is there laughable? The fact that if it works, humanity will achieve perfection?

you communists dont think it through! how deal with resistance? and who gets the marble staircases instead of a cheap flat

[Stronk Serb]

you communists dont think it through! how deal with resistance? and who gets the marble staircases instead of a cheap flat

Nobody gets the marble staircase. It gets traded for more flats. If a Socialist World Republic is formed, everyone would live in decent-sized flats (120 square meters, enough for a let's say 5 people family). That is because the wealth of 1% of the richest population would get redistributed. That means 100,000 dollars a month to everyone working since the wealth that 1% controls is about a hundred times larger then the wealth of the other 99%. And the only resistance would be coming from the richest which might hire mercanaries.

[britishboy]

Nobody gets the marble staircase. It gets traded for more flats. If a Socialist World Republic is formed, everyone would live in decent-sized flats (120 square meters, enough for a let's say 5 people family). That is because the wealth of 1% of the richest population would get redistributed. That means 100,000 dollars a month to everyone working since the wealth that 1% controls is about a hundred times larger then the wealth of the other 99%. And the only resistance would be coming from the richest which might hire mercanaries.

I will never ever give away my money, and what happens when the money runs out?! what will simulate the economy? and what happens to the nice houses?! and please stop making up figures

[Walter Powers]

I will never ever give away my money, and what happens when the money runs out?! what will simulate the economy? and what happens to the nice houses?! and please stop making up figures

"Socialism only works until you run out of other people's money."
-Magaret Thatcher

[Bougainvillea]

"Socialism only works until you run out of other people's money."
-Magaret Thatcher

Margaret Thatcher was a bitch, who's policies devastated the livelihoods of a huge number of hard working class citizens.

[Nellerin]

Margaret Thatcher was a bitch, who's policies devastated the livelihoods of a huge number of hard working class citizens.

Very very true.

[Harry Smith]

"Socialism only works until you run out of other people's money."
-Magaret Thatcher

That's ironic coming from a British politician who didn't get rid of the NHS the most socialist part of Britian

[Stronk Serb]

I will never ever give away my money, and what happens when the money runs out?! what will simulate the economy? and what happens to the nice houses?! and please stop making up figures

Well there will be no money. The world would strive for the Utopia Marx described, a place without money. You are a petty richman, you will probably not get your money taken away from you since I guess you are not a millionare who has a yacht, spends lavishly on everything, has a house in every English county and owns a large company which earns millions a year.

[britishboy]

Well there will be no money. The world would strive for the Utopia Marx described, a place without money. You are a petty richman, you will probably not get your money taken away from you since I guess you are not a millionare who has a yacht, spends lavishly on everything, has a house in every English county and owns a large company which earns millions a year.

im 14, of course not, im not getting to the 'living off daddy' argument because I will inherit his wealth and businesses, and will start up my own, with his investment. anyway this is irrelevant, you commies cant make you mind up! first everyone lives off of limited money, then no money at all! do you not study business and economics at your school?! nothing you say is possible!

That's ironic coming from a British politician who didn't get rid of the NHS the most socialist part of Britian

the message is true though

[Harry Smith]

im 14, of course not, im not getting to the 'living off daddy' argument because I will inherit his wealth and businesses, and will start up my own, with his investment. anyway this is irrelevant, you commies cant make you mind up! first everyone lives off of limited money, then no money at all! do you not study business and economics at your school?! nothing you say is possible!



the message is true though

But's it filled with double standards. Socialism is needed in Britain

[britishboy]

But's it filled with double standards. Socialism is needed in Britain

yep, but not take all the money from the rich, that funds a great country, the rich move away and the country falls to the ground, thats what we must be careful of

[Harry Smith]

yep, but not take all the money from the rich, that funds a great country, the rich move away and the country falls to the ground, thats what we must be careful of

They won't move away, any smart businessman or women would have they're office located in a tax haven such as the cayman islands.

Your argument also has the problem of raising taxes so low to appease the rich that you end up receiving hardly any, remember 30% tax on upper income families gets more money for the the economy and also has less of an impact on them compared to a 30% tax on low income

[britishboy]

They won't move away, any smart businessman or women would have they're office located in a tax haven such as the cayman islands.

Your argument also has the problem of raising taxes so low to appease the rich that you end up receiving hardly any, remember 30% tax on upper income families gets more money for the the economy and also has less of an impact on them compared to a 30% tax on low income

of course, its a fine balance, but you cant rip the rich apart like the communists want, the rich are needed to invest and create jobs

[Harry Smith]

of course, its a fine balance, but you cant rip the rich apart like the communists want, the rich are needed to invest and create jobs

When did I ever say that? There's a massive difference between socialism in Britain and Marxism

[britishboy]

When did I ever say that? There's a massive difference between socialism in Britain and Marxism

I never said you said that, I was just restating my previous point and agreeing with you

[FrostWraith]

of course, its a fine balance, but you cant rip the rich apart like the communists want, the rich are needed to invest and create jobs

Agreed. Without a distinction between rich and poor, there is no incentive to innovate, to work hard. People would (and did in the USSR) realize that they wouldn't benefit at all from working or trying because they'd get fed anyway. Now if you implanted chips in people's brains or drugged them to make them altruistic...that would be cool. But with selfish humans as we know them, they need financial incentives to make them as efficient as possible, and that necessitates a system other than socialism.

[Slippers]

A fascist state like North Korea only pretends it's communist in order to cling on to power. In reality it's merely led by power-crazed morons who have achieved a very healthy living from other people's suffering.

[thatcountrykid]

I say that if they keep up with the nuke threats we should act first and use one of those ohio class subs we know we have off their shores.

[the mystical shaman]

It's actually a monarchy now, quite sad, really.