Americas Presidential Election 2016

[Walter Powers]

Who do you want to become leader of the free world when we Americans vote in 2016 (I'll be one of them). A Republican, a Democrat, a Libertarain maybe? Or is the Socialist Party more your flavor? And do you have any people in mind specifically you'd like to see win?

For me, I think, although I disagree with his amnesty to illegals idea, Republican Marco Rubio with Paul Ryan as his running mate would be great and also a winnable ticket, assuming Obama and Eric Holder hasn't completely ruined the electoral process by then.

[sam927]

May I ask you to clarify how Obama could 'ruin the electoral process'? Obama didn't create death panels nor did he make white slavery so I don't think he'll 'ruin the electoral process.'

I would love for the tax rate here in the States to be lowered. Paying nearly 40% of your income is ridiculous: however, I don't think a tax decrease would be the best idea with the fragile state of the US economy.

I love Hillary Clinton's foreign policy positions. Fiscally she may be a little too left.

I'd also love to see Palin run in 2016. SNL during 2015-16 would be great :)

[Walter Powers]

May I ask you to clarify how Obama could 'ruin the electoral process'? Obama didn't create death panels nor did he make white slavery so I don't think he'll 'ruin the electoral process.'

I would love for the tax rate here in the States to be lowered. Paying nearly 40% of your income is ridiculous: however, I don't think a tax decrease would be the best idea with the fragile state of the US economy.

I love Hillary Clinton's foreign policy positions. Fiscally she may be a little too left.

I'd also love to see Palin run in 2016. SNL during 2015-16 would be great :)

Do you know about Hillary's role in the lack of defense of our Embassy in Benghazi? I guess she's probably better then Obama, though.

Sarah Palin is one of my favorite politicians, unfortunately the media attacks her so much that arun for President isn't practical.

I'm worried that laws will be passed the encourage people to vote who shouldn't be.

[Reanne]

Gee you just had an election... I'd be thinking you'd be over politics by now :P

[DerBear]

It depends, I'd personally want to see a full list of candidates before I say for sure. We shall see closer to the time lol

[tovaris]

I want to say the guy who will ruin the country whitout damaging others... ? :P

[sam927]

Do you know about Hillary's role in the lack of defense of our Embassy in Benghazi? I guess she's probably better then Obama, though.

Sarah Palin is one of my favorite politicians, unfortunately the media attacks her so much that arun for President isn't practical.

I'm worried that laws will be passed the encourage people to vote who shouldn't be.

What about Bush's role in lack of defending the US from the September 11 attacks? Or the 13 attacks on US embassies and consulates during Bush?

I will agree with you. Sarah Palin is easily my favorite politician. Not because I agree with her views, because I don't, but because she really says what she thinks. And 99% of the time, what she thinks makes me laugh :)

[Walter Powers]

What about Bush's role in lack of defending the US from the September 11 attacks? Or the 13 attacks on US embassies and consulates during Bush?

I will agree with you. Sarah Palin is easily my favorite politician. Not because I agree with her views, because I don't, but because she really says what she thinks. And 99% of the time, what she thinks makes me laugh :)

What do you mean Bush didn't defend us from the 9/11 attacks? He was very bold in declaring two wars and creating new laws and departments (Homeland Security) to prevent it from happening again.

[Stronger]

What do you mean Bush didn't defend us from the 9/11 attacks? He was very bold in declaring two wars and creating new laws and departments (Homeland Security) to prevent it from happening again.

This, Bush was re-elected because of the wars really, war time Presidents gain popularity quickly. Not saying I liked the guy, but I don't think he was lacking when it came to 9/11.

But to answer the OP, I would like to see Hillary Clinton or maybe Sarah Palin win.

[Walter Powers]

This, Bush was re-elected because of the wars really, war time Presidents gain popularity quickly. Not saying I liked the guy, but I don't think he was lacking when it came to 9/11.

But to answer the OP, I would like to see Hillary Clinton or maybe Sarah Palin win.

Interesting. Does the fact that they're both women impact that view at all? Just curious.

Sadly, I don't think Sarah Palin will be running. The Democrat dominated media hates her.

I want to say the guy who will ruin the country whitout damaging others... ? :P

Oh, that's our current president.


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[LouBerry]

It depends, I'd personally want to see a full list of candidates before I say for sure. We shall see closer to the time lol

I agree. I mean, I tend to lean more Republican, but if there is a strong Democratic candidate that I like better, I'm all in.

[Taryn98]

There are at least a half dozen that I like as possibilities but my 2 favorites right now are Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. Others I would consider are Paul Ryan, Chris Christie, Mitch Daniels, Scott Walker, Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, Jim Demint, Mike Lee.

[Walter Powers]

There are at least a half dozen that I like as possibilities but my 2 favorites right now are Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. Others I would consider are Paul Ryan, Chris Christie, Mitch Daniels, Scott Walker, Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, Jim Demint, Mike Lee.

Yeah, I'd be fine with all of them as president.

[Walter Powers]

There are at least a half dozen that I like as possibilities but my 2 favorites right now are Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. Others I would consider are Paul Ryan, Chris Christie, Mitch Daniels, Scott Walker, Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, Jim Demint, Mike Lee.

Oh, your from Wisconsin! Just curious, do you think Governor Walker is doing a good job?

[Taryn98]

Oh, your from Wisconsin! Just curious, do you think Governor Walker is doing a good job?

He could be doing more to create jobs in the state, but financially he's really turned the state around without raising taxes or having to lay off employees. He seems to be doing really good.

[saea97]

Outsider's opinion: Perhaps it would be more pragmatic in these difficult economic times to vote for a candidate based solely on his/her fiscal policies, but I certainly wouldn't vote for anyone who'd want to erase Obama's forward steps with regard to LGBT rights. Those just happen to be high on my personal agenda.

In short, probably the Democrat.

[Camazotz]

Obama 2016!

[Walter Powers]

Obama 2016!

Is that sarcasm?

Typical liberal. Always wanting to bend the laws to get their way :)

You can only be president for a maximum of two terms! Obama's already served his first, and has become his second.

[Walter Powers]

Outsider's opinion: Perhaps it would be more pragmatic in these difficult economic times to vote for a candidate based solely on his/her fiscal policies, but I certainly wouldn't vote for anyone who'd want to erase Obama's forward steps with regard to LGBT rights. Those just happen to be high on my personal agenda.

In short, probably the Democrat.

What forward steps has Obama taken? I think he's acknowledged it's a state issue, as have most politicians, GOP and Democrat. So you shouldn't let that dictate your federal voting decisions, because frankly, right now, our fiscal problems are much more important, and neither candidate is really gonna do much in regards to LGBT issues. In 10 years we'll be like Greece if something major doesn't happen in terms of spending cuts. So what if you can marry somebody of the same sex; you'll be dirt poor!

[saea97]

What forward steps has Obama taken? I think he's acknowledged it's a state issue, as have most politicians, GOP and Democrat. So you shouldn't let that dictate your federal voting decisions, because frankly, right now, our fiscal problems are much more important, and neither candidate is really gonna do much in regards to LGBT issues. In 10 years we'll be like Greece if something major doesn't happen in terms of spending cuts. So what if you can marry somebody of the same sex; you'll be dirt poor!

Well, massively, he's the first president to openly support gay marriage (an equal right which is supposedly what America is built upon). As I pointed out, I'm aware that finance matters more on a practical level, but, like I say, LGBT rights happen to be high on my agenda. There's no debate between us here, we just have different priorities in looking for a candidate. And I really don't think an argument could possibly be made that the GOP is anywhere near as friendly towards the LGBT community as the Democrats.

[Camazotz]

Is that sarcasm?

Typical liberal. Always wanting to bend the laws to get their way :)

You can only be president for a maximum of two terms! Obama's already served his first, and has become his second.

He'll find a way. Repeal Twenty Second Amendment!

[Harry Smith]

I want to see Joe Biden running, I'm not a big fan of Hilary. I think Christie seems good for the republicans, he may of damaged his chances after supporting Obama in hurricane sandy.

The only problem for the two democrat front runners is there ages, both Biden and Clinton will be in there 70's meaning that there VP choice could be crucial

[Walter Powers]

Well, massively, he's the first president to openly support gay marriage (an equal right which is supposedly what America is built upon). As I pointed out, I'm aware that finance matters more on a practical level, but, like I say, LGBT rights happen to be high on my agenda. There's no debate between us here, we just have different priorities in looking for a candidate. And I really don't think an argument could possibly be made that the GOP is anywhere near as friendly towards the LGBT community as the Democrats.

Again I ask: What are these "forward steps" you say Obama has taken, other then voicing his support for gay marriage? Saying you support something is not action! And I don't even think Obama genuinely supports it; he's flip flopped like 3 times on the issue depending on the political climate of his election.

And I don't know if you realize it, but Obama's still a Christian and thus regards homosexuality as wrong.

[Walter Powers]

I want to see Joe Biden running, I'm not a big fan of Hilary. I think Christie seems good for the republicans, he may of damaged his chances after supporting Obama in hurricane sandy.

The only problem for the two democrat front runners is there ages, both Biden and Clinton will be in there 70's meaning that there VP choice could be crucial

Right now, the Speaker of the House, House Majority Leader, House Minority Leader, Senate Majority Leader, Vice President, and the Senate Minority Leader look like they are all over age 65. Are the leaders in Parlaimant really old, too?

No wonder they won't cut Medicare; they all recieve it!

Also, Hillary is in trouble because of what happened in Benghazi. And Most of us Americans, if you aren't aware, would regard Biden as a terrible president. He falls asleep in too many meetings! He's also be terrible at campaigning. Care to see a montage of all the TERRRIBLE speaking gaffes he's made?

[Walter Powers]

He'll find a way. Repeal Twenty Second Amendment!

Only problem with that is you need a vast majjority of the population to support a constitution amendment (or the repeal of one) of it to pass. And right now, the majority of Americans disapprove as his job as president.

[Harry Smith]

Right now, the Speaker of the House, House Majority Leader, House Minority Leader, Senate Majority Leader, Vice President, and the Senate Minority Leader look like they are all over age 65. Are the leaders in Parlaimant really old, too?

No wonder they won't cut Medicare; they all recieve it!

Also, Hillary is in trouble because of what happened in Benghazi. And Most of us Americans, if you aren't aware, would regard Biden as a terrible president. He falls asleep in too many meetings! He's also be terrible at campaigning. Care to see a montage of all the TERRRIBLE speaking gaffes he's made?

I know but Id say Biden outperformed Paul Ryan in the VP debates, he's got bags of experience especially in foreign policy, I was skeptical about him but I think he has the potenial, he's very charismatic.

I don't understand why Benghazi is such a big issue, you can't have every single embassy fortified with a platoon of marines otherwise your asking for war. Hilary didn't look into every embassy when she was sec of state, I would be a lot more concerned about the 32 children who died at the Newtown. shootings,

[Walter Powers]

I know but Id say Biden outperformed Paul Ryan in the VP debates, he's got bags of experience especially in foreign policy, I was skeptical about him but I think he has the potenial, he's very charismatic.

I don't understand why Benghazi is such a big issue, you can't have every single embassy fortified with a platoon of marines otherwise your asking for war. Hilary didn't look into every embassy when she was sec of state, I would be a lot more concerned about the 32 children who died at the Newtown. shootings,

Because Hillary Clinton and our UN Ambassador lied. And now the entire public forgot about because that idiot moderator in the Townhall debate "corrected" Mitt Romney on something he was right about!

[Harry Smith]

Because Hillary Clinton and our UN Ambassador lied. And now the entire public forgot about because that idiot moderator in the Townhall debate "corrected" Mitt Romney on something he was right about!

You seem to be implying that it cost Romney the election

[Walter Powers]

You seem to be implying that it cost Romney the election

No. I'm not implying that at all. I'm just saying that the one time when the entire country was watching it was reported wrong.

I think the fact Romney was Mormon cost him the election. I honestly do. It's sad, but the truth. Had he been mainstream Protestant, I think he would've won or it would've been closer. He was very strong candidate, perhaps the best since Reagan.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

To be honest, I'm leaning towards the Republicans right now, but if the Democrats choose a good, strong candidate, I'd be happy cast my vote for them.

I'd like to see either Chris Christie or Marco Rubio as a GOP candidate. Christie might have a bit of trouble in uniting the party because of his not-so-conservative policies, but I still think he's miles in front of anyone else. At least, that's the case now.

I don't know a lot of Democrats, but right now I hope Hillary gets nominated, or maybe Governor Cuomo. He's done a lot for New York, and he could do a lot more for our whole country if he were elected.

[saea97]

Again I ask: What are these "forward steps" you say Obama has taken, other then voicing his support for gay marriage? Saying you support something is not action! And I don't even think Obama genuinely supports it; he's flip flopped like 3 times on the issue depending on the political climate of his election.

And I don't know if you realize it, but Obama's still a Christian and thus regards homosexuality as wrong.

Having the support of the POTUS is obviously a huge deal for gay marriage lobbyists, it's helped very much in my opinion. There's little he can do federally, the whole point of America is that the states decide their own legislation. But Obama's support creates a less hostile climate and it's notable that under his presidency the states have finally begun to legalize gay marriage. Obviously, I couldn't say that they wouldn't have if McCain/Romney had won, but those two wouldn't have voiced their support.

And actually, as much as I oppose Christianity, I admit you can be both a) Christian and gay and b) Christian and not a bigot (or to be less touchy: Christian and in favour of equal human rights). Apparently Obama is b.

[Walter Powers]

Having the support of the POTUS is obviously a huge deal for gay marriage lobbyists, it's helped very much in my opinion. There's little he can do federally, the whole point of America is that the states decide their own legislation. But Obama's support creates a less hostile climate and it's notable that under his presidency the states have finally begun to legalize gay marriage. Obviously, I couldn't say that they wouldn't have if McCain/Romney had won, but those two wouldn't have voiced their support.

And actually, as much as I oppose Christianity, I admit you can be both a) Christian and gay and b) Christian and not a bigot (or to be less touchy: Christian and in favour of equal human rights). Apparently Obama is b.

Stop dodging the question: What "forward steps" has Obama taken with regards to homosexuality?

You don't vote for somebody because of what they support. You vote for them because of what they'll do.

[Harry Smith]

No. I'm not implying that at all. I'm just saying that the one time when the entire country was watching it was reported wrong.

I think the fact Romney was Mormon cost him the election. I honestly do. It's sad, but the truth. Had he been mainstream Protestant, I think he would've won or it would've been closer. He was very strong candidate, perhaps the best since Reagan.

Romney? Mitt Romney

He had the 47% gaffe which didn't help at all, you don't say stuff like that with 3 weeks left till the election

He had is business ties where he had made thousands of people redundant and then claimed that you need to stop outsourcing

He complained that the US have less boats in service than they did 100 years ago and then got swiftly put in his place

He didn't even campaign in Ohio for the last 3 days, the most important seat in the country

[saea97]

Stop dodging the question: What "forward steps" has Obama taken with regards to homosexuality?

You don't vote for somebody because of what they support. You vote for them because of what they'll do.

It seems to me, sir, that you're dodging my answer. How can announcing his full personal support for gay marriage be anything but a step forward? If it was me or any person on the street supporting it, that wouldn't be a step anywhere. But he's the president.

Obama can't force the states to legalize gay marriage, but as I've already said in answer to your ill-framed question, his support gives the movement clout and strengthens the agenda. I class that as a forward step, you don't. What would be a forward step, in your opinion? Trampling all over states' rights by enforcing gay marriage?

[Walter Powers]

It seems to me, sir, that you're dodging my answer. How can announcing his full personal support for gay marriage be anything but a step forward? If it was me or any person on the street supporting it, that wouldn't be a step anywhere. But he's the president.

Obama can't force the states to legalize gay marriage, but as I've already said in answer to your ill-framed question, his support gives the movement clout and strengthens the agenda. I class that as a forward step, you don't. What would be a forward step, in your opinion? Trampling all over states' rights by enforcing gay marriage?

I see your argument, I do. But you really will vote for somebody just to make a political statement based on their position on ONE issue, that they won't do anything to change other then announce their support? That's a waste of the vote people died to give you.

The Presidents job is to protect the rights listed in the constitution. We should vote for whom we think is most competent at defending all of those rights, from unruly citizens and foriegn adversaries alike. It's fine if you want to vote for somebody who happens to support gay marriage, but don't make it your primary reason! There are more important issues in this republic, like defense and the budget.

Just curious, do you live in a place where gay marriage is legal?

[Walter Powers]

Romney? Mitt Romney

He had the 47% gaffe which didn't help at all, you don't say stuff like that with 3 weeks left till the election

He had is business ties where he had made thousands of people redundant and then claimed that you need to stop outsourcing

He complained that the US have less boats in service than they did 100 years ago and then got swiftly put in his place

He didn't even campaign in Ohio for the last 3 days, the most important seat in the country

I'd give you a list of Obama's problems but it'd probably be longer then is allowed on this forum.

[Harry Smith]

I'd give you a list of Obama's problems but it'd probably be longer then is allowed on this forum.

That doesn't make Romney any better of a candidate does it?

[Walter Powers]

That doesn't make Romney any better of a candidate does it?

Umm, no, but a "good" candidate is all relative...

[saea97]

I see your argument, I do. But you really will vote for somebody just to make a political statement based on their position on ONE issue, that they won't do anything to change other then announce their support? That's a waste of the vote people died to give you.

I tend to lean left for a plethora of reasons. But actually, yes, I'd never vote for someone I regarded as bigoted with regards to LGBT rights. It just happens to mean that much to me. If I thought both candidates were bigoted one year, I'd vote for a third party or not at all. It's just a principle.

The Presidents job is to protect the rights listed in the constitution. We should vote for whom we think is most competent at defending all of those rights, from unruly citizens and foriegn adversaries alike. It's fine if you want to vote for somebody who happens to support gay marriage, but don't make it your primary reason! There are more important issues in this republic, like defense and the budget.

I generally prefer Democrat/liberal approaches to economy, international diplomacy etc. too (although I have favoured conservatives in some elections), but I'm not really in the market to talk about those because I don't feel nearly as qualified to do so and I'm not an American so know less about the complex economic problems facing America. Like I said above though, I would defend my right to make it my primary reason. I don't want a bigot as president even if I thought his economic policies were better than the other candidate's.

Just curious, do you live in a place where gay marriage is legal?

I'm proud to say that, as of very recently, I do. (The court has ruled in favour and it's in progress now)

[Harry Smith]

Umm, no, but a "good" candidate is all relative...

The bottom line is that the American Electorate wanted Obama over Romney. The Republicans could of won if they had picked someone with experience on foreign policies, come on Paul Ryan for VP? He reminds me of Dan Quayle

[pvanhouten]

Who do you want to become leader of the free world when we Americans vote in 2016 (I'll be one of them). A Republican, a Democrat, a Libertarain maybe? Or is the Socialist Party more your flavor? And do you have any people in mind specifically you'd like to see win?

For me, I think, although I disagree with his amnesty to illegals idea, Republican Marco Rubio with Paul Ryan as his running mate would be great and also a winnable ticket, assuming Obama and Eric Holder hasn't completely ruined the electoral process by then.

I was thinking senator Marco Rubio but with New Mexican Governor Susana Martinez... The republicans will finally have the Latino vote then. Are you Republican?

[Harry Smith]

I was thinking senator Marco Rubio but with New Mexican Governor Susana Martinez... The republicans will finally have the Latino vote then. Are you Republican?

That won't give them the Latino vote, that's like saying that hermain Cain would get the black vote, there is so much more to it

[Walter Powers]

The bottom line is that the American Electorate wanted Obama over Romney. The Republicans could of won if they had picked someone with experience on foreign policies, come on Paul Ryan for VP? He reminds me of Dan Quayle

Okay, what was wrong with McCain, then? He had lots of foreign policy experience yet lost by a wider margin then Romney. And it's not like Obama had foreign policy experience.

I think America is just becoming more and more liberal.

I was thinking senator Marco Rubio but with New Mexican Governor Susana Martinez... The republicans will finally have the Latino vote then. Are you Republican?

Yep; I don't think we should try to go for the Latino vote. They are one of the most socially conservative demographics, and yet we can't get them to vote for us. We need to get the base out to vote. 20% of America is liberal. 40% is conservative. We should be able to win with just our base.

Please stop double posting. ~StoppingTime

[Appypollylogges]

I'm worried that laws will be passed the encourage people to vote who shouldn't be.

Excuse me?
Who's this that "shouldn't" be voting?
Go on, inform me.

[pvanhouten]

That won't give them the Latino vote, that's like saying that hermain Cain would get the black vote, there is so much more to it

I know but it will be a big plus for them because there has been a black president and now there could be a Latino.

[Walter Powers]

Excuse me?
Who's this that "shouldn't" be voting?
Go on, inform me.

People here illegally, people voting more then once, dead people voting, that kind of thing. You think dead people should be allowed to vote? :)

[Appypollylogges]

People here illegally, people voting more then once, dead people voting, that kind of thing. You think dead people should be allowed to vote? :)

What laws would Obama possibly pass that would have his supporters vote more than once?
You DO know that Obama isn't the only one responsible for laws right?
There's this whole place called the House of Representatives, and then there's also this other place called the Senate.

And just why is it that you hate Obama so much?
Obama's not that bad. Honestly, I don't think he's that great (and I'm liberal) but he's not horrible. There are so many other presidents in recent history that have pulled SO many worse things off than him, so why do you hate him in particular?
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oh yeah right, because he's a democrat :)

[Appypollylogges]

Typical liberal. Always wanting to bend the laws to get their way :)


Yes because as we know, conservatives have had a perfect record of abiding by the law ;)

[Stronger]

Interesting. Does the fact that they're both women impact that view at all? Just curious.

Sadly, I don't think Sarah Palin will be running. The Democrat dominated media hates her.



Oh, that's our current president.


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No? I just happen to like both of them, is that a problem?

[Walter Powers]

What laws would Obama possibly pass that would have his supporters vote more than once?
You DO know that Obama isn't the only one responsible for laws right?
There's this whole place called the House of Representatives, and then there's also this other place called the Senate.

And just why is it that you hate Obama so much?
Obama's not that bad. Honestly, I don't think he's that great (and I'm liberal) but he's not horrible. There are so many other presidents in recent history that have pulled SO many worse things off than him, so why do you hate him in particular?
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oh yeah right, because he's a democrat :)

Of course I'm framiliar with the Constitition and know that the president's powers are relatively limited compared to other nations around the world.

And no, I don't just Obama because he has a "D" next to his name on the ballot. Right now i'd be happy if Carter was president! It's primarilly because he seems so politically motivated to do things. I honestly do. Like his response to the 9/11 attacks on our Libyan embassy that killed our Ambassador, and his little gimmick in flip flopping on gay marriage for the third time .

Also, their was that one little thing he said that REALLY made me dispise him:

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

This just goes right to the heart of attacking capitalism and what we stand for as a nation. Having heard his "the private sector is doing fine," remark, I knew he wasn't lying when he said he wanted to radically change the way this country is run.

Finally, Obama has no idea about what's going on with his cabinet. His chief of staff knew about the IRS scandal, and didn't even tell him, or so Obama claims. That's just one example.

There you have it. Why I hate Barrack Hussien Obama.

No? I just happen to like both of them, is that a problem?

Nope, just wondering. Their are some sexist people out there; that's why I ask.

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[Appypollylogges]

There you have it. Why I hate Barrack Hussien Obama.

You do realize that he's just mediocre though don't you?
I'll say he's not great, but it's not like he is the worst president ever.
You gave some relatively good reasons... except the capitalism thing...
but you do realize this right?
He hasn't ruined anything. Sure, I'll say there's more he could be doing, but he isn't horrible.
He's not Bush. He's not Nixon. He's not Reagan.
And if you dare talk about Reagan in a positive light, I will just laugh and laugh and laugh.

He'll find a way. Repeal Twenty Second Amendment!

Eh...I don't think that would be a good idea :)

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[Trenton_]

An avatar would be fine with me. the last few are liars.

[Walter Powers]

You do realize that he's just mediocre though don't you?
I'll say he's not great, but it's not like he is the worst president ever.
You gave some relatively good reasons... except the capitalism thing...
but you do realize this right?
He hasn't ruined anything. Sure, I'll say there's more he could be doing, but he isn't horrible.
He's not Bush. He's not Nixon. He's not Reagan.
And if you dare talk about Reagan in a positive light, I will just laugh and laugh and laugh.

Did I say Obama was the worst president ever? No, that was probably that democrat who was elected before Lincoln and supported slavery. Or maybe Nixon.

Inaction, right now, in the fiscal state we're in, is ruining us: it's why you and I won't get Medicare or social security if something major doesn't happen to save those programs.

Fine. Laugh. Reagan is the best modern president. President Reagan and Prime Minister Thatcher turned both their respective nations into much better places. Reagan turned Carter's recession into an economic boom while stopping the spread of communism. Not only that, but he did it in a bipartisan way, working with congresses with democratic majorities.

And I'll give you this, Obama is a great speaker when he can do without the teleprompter. But Reagan was even better.

Eh...I don't think that would be a good idea :)

I agree.

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[Harry Smith]

People here illegally, people voting more then once, dead people voting, that kind of thing. You think dead people should be allowed to vote? :)

Oh yeah the Republicans have never committed voter fraud, have you been to Florida lately?

[Walter Powers]

Oh yeah the Republicans have never committed voter fraud, have you been to Florida lately?

Did I say Republicans don't do it?

All I want is for you to have to show your ID before voting.

[Appypollylogges]

Did I say Obama was the worst president ever? No, that was probably that democrat who was elected before Lincoln and supported slavery. Or maybe Nixon.

Inaction, right now, in the fiscal state we're in, is ruining us: it's why you and I won't get Medicare or social security if something major doesn't happen to save those programs.

Fine. Laugh. Reagan is the best modern president. President Reagan and Prime Minister Thatcher turned both their respective nations into much better places. Reagan turned Carter's recession into an economic boom while stopping the spread of communism. Not only that, but he did it in a bipartisan way, working with congresses with democratic majorities.

And I'll give you this, Obama is a great speaker when he can do without the teleprompter. But Reagan was even better.

It doesn't matter if you're a good speaker or not, which I will definitely say Reagan was, what matters is what you actually do.
And sure Reagan did a lot, but look where it's left us.

Did he deregulate things so much corporations could be totally irresponsible? Yup.
Did that help cause the huge divide between rich and poor in this country? Yup.
Did that help the environment? Nope
Did he help fund a certain group of middle easterners to fight the Russians?
Hmmm.... I wonder what ever happened to that group...Oh yeah...
It was the TALIBAN.

Of course, a conservative would like that. To stick your noise in another countries affairs for profit in the name of freedom, and then end up having to fight them off.

And if you say you don't support war, then how dare you support people like Reagan and Bush?
And if you say you support war, especially unnecessary war like what we've gotten ourselves these days, then you support an industry of death.

[Walter Powers]

It doesn't matter if you're a good speaker or not, which I will definitely say Reagan was, what matters is what you actually do.
And sure Reagan did a lot, but look where it's left us.

Did he deregulate things so much corporations could be totally irresponsible? Yup.
Did that help cause the huge divide between rich and poor in this country? Yup.
Did that help the environment? Nope
Did he help fund a certain group of middle easterners to fight the Russians?
Hmmm.... I wonder what ever happened to that group...Oh yeah...
It was the TALIBAN.

Of course, a conservative would like that. To stick your noise in another countries affairs for profit in the name of freedom, and then end up having to fight them off.

And if you say you don't support war, then how dare you support people like Reagan and Bush?
And if you say you support war, especially unnecessary war like what we've gotten ourselves these days, then you support an industry of death.


Do you support Obama? He's doing the same thing, arming the Syrian rebels.

Without Reagan's actions against communism, especially his handeling of the Cuban Missle Crisis; the world would very likely be a different place. You can't deny that had Obama or Carter been in office when that happened, they would have reacted very differently in a negative respect.

You think we've thought we would profit off of any of these middle eastern conflicts? Give me a break. You can't think we're that stupid. There isn't THAT much oil in that part of the world!

This is exactly why we Republicans are for developing our domestic sources of oil. So we don't have to do so much in the Middle East.

[Appypollylogges]

You think we've thought we would profit off of any of these middle eastern conflicts? Give me a break. You can't think we're that stupid. There isn't THAT much oil in that part of the world!

You do know that oil isn't the only profitable thing that comes out of war, right?
Guess what, it isn't.

And to answer your question about Obama, no, I don't support that decision. I don't care that he's liberal, he's still having the US stick it's nose where it doesn't belong.

But a reason I do support him, is that at least he's looking out for civil rights, which conservatives by all means don't.

[lijrobert]

Wasn't this thread about who you wanted to see has president? It's become an aurgument thread that can basically be summed up as left vs right.

[britishboy]

MITT ROMNEY!!! I used to like obama but after recent events, hes lost my support

[Stronger]

MITT ROMNEY!!! I used to like obama but after recent events, hes lost my support

He won't be running, and is not a better choice than Obama. :rolleyes:

[britishboy]

He won't be running, and is not a better choice than Obama. :rolleyes:

whys he not running? and I think he is after obamas reactions to the spying thing

[Stronger]

whys he not running? and I think he is after obamas reactions to the spying thing

He tried to run in 2008 and 2012 and failed, the Republican Party will look to push for a better candidate than Romney, probably Chris Christie, should he run.

[Professional Russian]

I know but Id say Biden outperformed Paul Ryan in the VP debates, he's got bags of experience especially in foreign policy, I was skeptical about him but I think he has the potenial, he's very charismatic.

I don't understand why Benghazi is such a big issue, you can't have every single embassy fortified with a platoon of marines otherwise your asking for war. Hilary didn't look into every embassy when she was sec of state, I would be a lot more concerned about the 32 children who died at the Newtown. shootings,

Its a big deal because our dumb fuck president ignored crystal for help from Navy SEALs the best of best (Except Delta force) but still. That's the big deal.

[britishboy]

He tried to run in 2008 and 2012 and failed, the Republican Party will look to push for a better candidate than Romney, probably Chris Christie, should he run.

he was very close on 2012, have the party actually said that?

[zeebo]

Most likely liberal, although I haven't looked into who's running yet

[Stronger]

he was very close on 2012, have the party actually said that?

I don't know, I don't follow that party, the only person I like from that party is Sarah Palin, anyway, I'm only making an assumption, read around google.

Most likely liberal, although I haven't looked into who's running yet

No one has officially announced they are running just maybes floating around.