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Walter Powers
June 18th, 2013, 02:00 AM
As a matter of principal, people should be allowed to chose whether or not to join a union and pay it's dues, and not be forced into a politically motivated labor monopoly just because their line of work. And on top of all this, states with right to work laws see much more business and economic growth. So what's the opposition to this common-sense monopoly reducing policy?

I'll end with a relevant quote from perhaps one of the best philosophers and leaders that ever lived:

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."
-Thomas Jefferson

Walter Powers
June 18th, 2013, 09:07 AM
Anybody?

Harry Smith
June 18th, 2013, 09:08 AM
We don't have this system over in Britain, if you want to join a union you join one, nobody forces you

Walter Powers
June 18th, 2013, 09:18 AM
We don't have this system over in Britain, if you want to join a union you join one, nobody forces you

It's not a law that you have to join a union here, see. It's the fact that employers will often negotiate contracts with labor unions requiring all their employees to join it. And the employer that does this most often is none other then the Government.

tovaris
June 18th, 2013, 04:55 PM
It's not a law that you have to join a union here, see. It's the fact that employers will often negotiate contracts with labor unions requiring all their employees to join it. And the employer that does this most often is none other then the Government.

That is werd strange and odd. Also it is elegal to force someone into an union or political party, at lest here.

Walter Powers
June 18th, 2013, 04:59 PM
That is werd strange and odd. Also it is elegal to force someone into an union or political party, at lest here.

Not physically force, but here in many states of America an employer can negotiate a contract with a union requiring all employees join. If they don't they are fired.

tovaris
June 18th, 2013, 05:08 PM
Not physically force, but here in many states of America an employer can negotiate a contract with a union requiring all employees join. If they don't they are fired.

Ilegal!

Walter Powers
June 18th, 2013, 05:10 PM
Elegal!

So do you even have labor unions where you live?

Walter Powers
June 18th, 2013, 05:11 PM
Elegal!

Oh, and it's ILLEGAL, not elegal

britishboy
June 18th, 2013, 05:13 PM
im very much against this from what I understand, employeers should control employees politics

tovaris
June 18th, 2013, 05:14 PM
So do you even have labor unions where you live?

Yes many, and they are very strong but to join them is volentary.
They organise strikes, protests, civil unobediece...
Wery strong and wery proud unions.
www.sindikat-zsss.si/

Walter Powers
June 18th, 2013, 05:36 PM
im very much against this from what I understand, employeers should control employees politics

Wait...what do you mean by that?

britishboy
June 18th, 2013, 05:56 PM
Wait...what do you mean by that?

you shouldn't be employed because of your political views, or memberships of groups, unless relevant to the job in question

Walter Powers
June 19th, 2013, 01:20 AM
you shouldn't be employed because of your political views, or memberships of groups, unless relevant to the job in question

Exactly. So you shouldn't be forced to decline a job because you'd have to join a union that campaigns for what you're against.

britishboy
June 19th, 2013, 01:21 AM
Exactly. So you shouldn't be forced to decline a job because you'd have to join a union that campaigns for what you're against.

exactly my point, you just said it better:p

Walter Powers
June 19th, 2013, 01:26 AM
Funny how with all the leftists on here, they all voiced support for Right to Work laws. This is exactly the opposite of the position of leftist liberal Democrat America.

tovaris
June 19th, 2013, 02:32 AM
Funny how with all the leftists on here, they all voiced support for Right to Work laws. This is exactly the opposite of the position of leftist liberal Democrat America.

Show me a leftist that supports that people should be forced to join a organization. I currently am against something like that, and you can't really get any more left than me.

Walter Powers
June 19th, 2013, 02:37 AM
Show me a leftist that supports that people should be forced to join a organization. I currently am against something like that, and you can't really get any more left than me.

Pretty much all the Democrats in the country. I guess President Obama's an example, along with like the governors of California and New York. You see, they get campaign contributions from these unions that people are forced to join, and so they don't want them weakened.

tovaris
June 19th, 2013, 02:39 AM
Pretty much all the Democrats in the country. I guess President Obama's an example, along with like the governors of California and New York. You see, they get campaign contributions from these unions that people are forced to join, and so they don't want them weakened.

That is strange, and not to mentions such a law would be unconstitutionary (http://www.us-rs.si/media/ustava.republike.slovenije.pdf) here.
http://www.pf.uni-mb.si/datoteke/janja/Angleska%20PT/anglesko-slovenska_urs.pdf

Harry Smith
June 19th, 2013, 03:12 AM
That is strange, and not to mentions such a law would be unconstitutionary (http://www.us-rs.si/media/ustava.republike.slovenije.pdf) here.
http://www.pf.uni-mb.si/datoteke/janja/Angleska%20PT/anglesko-slovenska_urs.pdf,

Can you please post articles that are in English, you've been warned about it in the past. English is the language of this forum

tovaris
June 19th, 2013, 03:17 AM
Can you please post articles that are in English, you've been warned about it in the past. English is the language of this forum

http://www.pf.uni-mb.si/datoteke/janja/Angleska%20PT/anglesko-slovenska_urs.pdf, =english, the other thing is the same

Harry Smith
June 19th, 2013, 03:21 AM
The OP was talking about america not slovenia

tovaris
June 19th, 2013, 03:24 AM
The OP was talking about america not slovenia

I said that it is illegal here, can't you read; I mean the spelling isn't that bad that you couldn't understand something as simple as that.

Harry Smith
June 19th, 2013, 03:39 AM
I said that it is illegal here, can't you read; I mean the spelling isn't that bad that you couldn't understand something as simple as that.

You accuse me of not be able to read whilst admitting that you spelt words wrong...

I can read but you can't spell, I can't read it if its gibberish

tovaris
June 19th, 2013, 03:42 AM
You accuse me of not be able to read whilst admitting that you spelt words wrong...

I can read but you can't spell, I can't read it if its gibberish

That is strange, and not to mentions such a law would be unconstitutionary (http://www.us-rs.si/media/ustava.republike.slovenije.pdf) here.
http://www.pf.uni-mb.si/datoteke/janja/Angleska%20PT/anglesko-slovenska_urs.pdf

read again

Harry Smith
June 19th, 2013, 03:48 AM
read again

The OP was talking about how many states in America were adopting the policy hence why I wanted to talk about America not Slovenia due to the fact that right to work laws originate from American government based companies.

Do you really expect anyone to read through the whole PDF?

tovaris
June 19th, 2013, 03:55 AM
The OP was talking about how many states in America were adopting the policy hence why I wanted to talk about America not Slovenia due to the fact that right to work laws originate from American government based companies.


I stated my opinion and situation at home I can't really comment on the situation over the puddle.



Do you really expect anyone to read through the whole PDF?
No.

Harry Smith
June 19th, 2013, 03:57 AM
I stated my opinion and situation at home I can't really comment on the situation over the puddle.



No.

I believe it's called the pond

tovaris
June 19th, 2013, 04:00 AM
I believe it's called the pond

All the same.