Putin

[TheBigUnit]

In all honesty how is this guy still in power?
Do you feel that hes a good leader? Why or why not?

Knowing that we have both putin sympathizers and haters I wanna see how this will go

I personally feel putin is alright with you he fact that russia didnt hit the brick wall yet and instead is a growing power
But putin somehow mangaes a way to be president, prime minister or let his apprentice have power with him, hes not really curroptable per se as your typical curropt politician but his kgb side definitely reinforces the fact that he has a much shadier side, the fact that hes in power for this long is interesting, think chancellor palpetine from star wars minus the ploy to conquer the world......or maybe not?

[Harry Smith]

haha yeah Putin is virtually Russia's Dictator, he's ruled over Russia for the last 12 years, he was pretty brutal in dealing with the Chechnya conflict, he pumped a cinema full of hostages with Gas and he's supporting Syria with shit loads of arms.

Also never trust someone who worked in the KGB

[Stronk Serb]

Neutral. Russia is rising, but Chechnya, Ossetia and all that...

[tovaris]

He has 120% support how can he not be in power. :)
But the Russians need a strong leader, that's a very slowly changing fact.

[britishboy]

hes a very strong leader and is leading a communist country and we know how hard it is to lead them. he stands by what he believes in, when he meet David Cameron, David might as well have been talking to a wall

[Cygnus]

He knows how to manage the country despite how radical he is.
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[Twilly F. Sniper]

He's doing good to the economy, but not the people.

[Stronk Serb]

hes a very strong leader and is leading a communist country and we know how hard it is to lead them. he stands by what he believes in, when he meet David Cameron, David might as well have been talking to a wall
For goodness sake, Russia is not communist, even they say that they are not communist.

[Harry Smith]

hes a very strong leader and is leading a communist country and we know how hard it is to lead them. he stands by what he believes in, when he meet David Cameron, David might as well have been talking to a wall

Russia hasn't been communist for 20 years...

[Stronk Serb]

Russia hasn't been communist for 20 years...


20 years from a economical collapse, and it recovered. But what is the price? Slaughters in Ossetia and Chechnya. As I stated, I am neutral. And if Russia is communist, I might as well be the Pope even though I am an atheist. If Stalin haven't rose to power with Trotsky in charge, I think that far far less unneeded blood would be spilled. But it never happened.

[britishboy]

alright me confused with the USSR:p and I still believe he is a great strong leader, as ive said he sticks up for what he believes in

[Harry Smith]

20 years from a economical collapse, and it recovered. But what is the price? Slaughters in Ossetia and Chechnya. As I stated, I am neutral. And if Russia is communist, I might as well be the Pope even though I am an atheist. If Stalin haven't rose to power with Trotsky in charge, I think that far far less unneeded blood would be spilled. But it never happened.

Wasn't Trotsky in charge of the Red army in the civil war? I don't know much about him apart that and about him getting killed in mexico

alright me confused with the USSR:p and I still believe he is a great strong leader, as ive said he sticks up for what he believes in

How can you confuse it with the USSR when it ended 20 years ago? and just because he stands up for his beliefs doesn't make him a good leader, Hitler stood up for his beliefs until 1945

[britishboy]

How can you confuse it with the USSR when it ended 20 years ago? and just because he stands up for his beliefs doesn't make him a good leader, Hitler stood up for his beliefs until 1945

I didn't think the communism ended and standing up for beliefs is important, for example David Cameron changes his mind about everything, everyday (overreaction I know, I dont like him that much) this is not doing anygood so standing up for what you believe in is good generally but if its something but like Hitler then obviously its no

[Stronk Serb]

Wasn't Trotsky in charge of the Red army in the civil war? I don't know much about him apart that and about him getting killed in mexico



How can you confuse it with the USSR when it ended 20 years ago? and just because he stands up for his beliefs doesn't make him a good leader, Hitler stood up for his beliefs until 1945


He called Stalin's USSR a [I]'degenerated worker state'[/I. He was for a democratic USSR and to help spread revolutions. Stalin killed any member of the party which joined before '25. Trotsky was on that list, and Stalin killed those members because they would probably back Trotsky since a dictatorship is not what they fought for. He was in charge of the Red Army. He was pissing on Stalin and his regime untill he died. He survived to see the assasin subdued, but died in a hospital.

[Harry Smith]

He called Stalin's USSR a [I]'degenerated worker state'[/I. He was for a democratic USSR and to help spread revolutions. Stalin killed any member of the party which joined before '25. Trotsky was on that list, and Stalin killed those members because they would probably back Trotsky since a dictatorship is not what they fought for. He was in charge of the Red Army. He was pissing on Stalin and his regime untill he died. He survived to see the assasin subdued, but died in a hospital.

Ah right, he always seemed better than Stalin, that's not saying much though. I know Stalin was just a Secretary before the civil war and then he somehow managed to manipulate the party after Lenin's death. My favourite soviet leader is Khrushchev

[Charlie48]

he's better than Stalin.

[tovaris]

hes a very strong leader and is leading a communist country and we know how hard it is to lead them. he stands by what he believes in, when he meet David Cameron, David might as well have been talking to a wall

He is not leading a communist country, he is leading the Russian Federation.
He has ruled continously for a while now, with the exeption ot the aeatchange with his pupet Medvedjev.

m.youtube.com/watch?hl=sl&gl=US&client=mv-google&v=JzGo4c6U8os,
www.youtube.com/watch?hl=sl&gl=US&client=mv-google&v=JzGo4c6U8os&nomobile=1,

[Stronk Serb]

Ah right, he always seemed better than Stalin, that's not saying much though. I know Stalin was just a Secretary before the civil war and then he somehow managed to manipulate the party after Lenin's death. My favourite soviet leader is Khrushchev

Yeah, I heard that on one assembly of the party, one delegate asked him:

-Why are we doing de-stalinisation now?

- Who said that?- Replied Nikita.

*eerie silence*

-That's why.

[Azunite]

He's doing good to the economy, but not the people.

Just like him (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapulling)

[Hyper]

Lol...

Corruption?

Mr Putin has so much money and political power that there is no one who can ''corrupt'' him.

Considering he is an ex KGB officer he probably has enough dirt on most of the Russian elite to do whatever he wants. And people that get in his way tend to lose their vast fortunes and priviledges in Russia.

Either way its Russia..... There isn't a billionare there over 40 who isn't a former nomenklatura member/mobster or both.

Regardless of that I don't know what to think about him as a political leader for Russia... On one hand he has kept Russias autonomy clear - they are still a viable power acting by their own interests.

On the other hand the country is in considerably horrible shape economics wise, infrastrucutre wise, demographics wise...

There is a saying though that Russia can only prosper under the rule of an iron fist... Wether that's true or not I don't know.

[Azunite]

Lol...

Corruption?

Mr Putin has so much money and political power that there is no one who can ''corrupt'' him.

Considering he is an ex KGB officer he probably has enough dirt on most of the Russian elite to do whatever he wants. And people that get in his way tend to lose their vast fortunes and priviledges in Russia.

Either way its Russia..... There isn't a billionare there over 40 who isn't a former nomenklatura member/mobster or both.

Regardless of that I don't know what to think about him as a political leader for Russia... On one hand he has kept Russias autonomy clear - they are still a viable power acting by their own interests.

On the other hand the country is in considerably horrible shape economics wise, infrastrucutre wise, demographics wise...

There is a saying though that Russia can only prosper under the rule of an iron fist... Wether that's true or not I don't know.

Your last saying may be true. After all, not all countries flourish from democracy.

[Walter Powers]

alright me confused with the USSR:p and I still believe he is a great strong leader, as ive said he sticks up for what he believes in

So Hitler's a good leader because he stuck up for what he believed in?

[britishboy]

So Hitler's a good leader because he stuck up for what he believed in?

you just copied what harry said and no many things make a good leader but being strong and sticking up for yourself is a good quality but Hitler had bad policies (an understatement) and thats what makes him a bad leader

[Walter Powers]

you just copied what harry said and no many things make a good leader but being strong and sticking up for yourself is a good quality but Hitler had bad policies (an understatement) and thats what makes him a bad leader

I copied Harry? I was just responding to your comment. Sorry if I did; don't like to be accused of plagerism.

So you like the Putin's regimes policies? What specifically?

[britishboy]

I copied Harry? I was just responding to your comment. Sorry if I did; don't like to be accused of plagerism.

So you like the Putin's regimes policies? What specifically?

I like the fact hes got the balls to stand up to the world powers and preventing the west supporting the rebels, he sticks up for hes nations beliefs, doesn't give into natos demands, although I support nato, I respect him to standing up to them

[Harry Smith]

I like the fact hes got the balls to stand up to the world powers and preventing the west supporting the rebels, he sticks up for hes nations beliefs, doesn't give into natos demands, although I support nato, I respect him to standing up to them

But he's standing up for the wrong reasons. You really are narrow minded.

If someone murdered you but stood up for there reasons would you want people to think that they were a good person because they stood up for what they believed in

[tovaris]

But he's standing up for the wrong reasons. You really are narrow minded.

If someone murdered you but stood up for there reasons would you want people to think that they were a good person because they stood up for what they believed in

You cnat argue with the fackt he is a strong leeder, but the resons and the actions are a diferent thing.

[Walter Powers]

I like the fact hes got the balls to stand up to the world powers and preventing the west supporting the rebels, he sticks up for hes nations beliefs, doesn't give into natos demands, although I support nato, I respect him to standing up to them

Okay fine. I guess for a world leader, he's not all that bad.

[britishboy]

is there something im missing about putin?

[Harry Smith]

is there something im missing about putin?

1) Widespread voting corruption in his elections
2) He worked in the KGB, you see a lot and find out a lot. Stuff that Russian presidents shouldn't know.
3) He gassed a cinema full of civilians
4) He's had total power for 12 years now
5) He's dangerous as fuck

[tovaris]

is there something im missing about putin?

When obama swims in the heeted pool he swims in the lake, he can kill a bare bear handed, he is as fit as when he was in KGB, he can have you killed and make everiine think you went on vacation, he orders the russian army to ahot down at asteroids... It goes on and on ;) :) ;)

[Azunite]

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I don't want to adore him or anything, but don't you guys see that he is such a versatile person? I mean, these aren't even quarter of things he can do. Meanwhile other presidents may have brains and a good heart, but all they do is to eat hambugers or *insert national food here*

[britishboy]

1) Widespread voting corruption in his elections
2) He worked in the KGB, you see a lot and find out a lot. Stuff that Russian presidents shouldn't know.
3) He gassed a cinema full of civilians
4) He's had total power for 12 years now
5) He's dangerous as fuck

1) I see, thats very bad especially for such a powerful country
2) this could actually be seen as a positive however I agree its bad
3) do you mean when the cineama was takern hostage? the gas done its job, its the rescue mission afterwards that killed so many (they decided because the gas was secret not to tell rescue workers and doctors what it was) thid killed so many and it pisses me off because the mission went so well and would have been awesome if they thought about 100 odd peoples lives over some sleep gas.
5) what do you mean? like kill people dangerous? or just physicaly fit dangerous?
thanks for catching me up:)



When obama swims in the heeted pool he swims in the lake, he can kill a bare bear handed, he is as fit as when he was in KGB, he can have you killed and make everiine think you went on vacation, he orders the russian army to ahot down at asteroids... It goes on and on ;) :) ;)

he sounds tough as nails and like hes just walked out of a film:p but its actually quite scary the power he holds and how tough and ruthless he is:/

[Harry Smith]

I just don't trust him because you find out so much working for the KGB, stuff that makes Watergate look small

[britishboy]

I just don't trust him because you find out so much working for the KGB, stuff that makes Watergate look small

what like secret stuff? hes the president wouldn't he know anyway? or do you mean like hes violente because he has killed so many?

[Harry Smith]

what like secret stuff? hes the president wouldn't he know anyway? or do you mean like hes violente because he has killed so many?

Plausible deniability, the KGB don't tell the president there secrets, they could just reveal it when they resign and write a book. There's stuff in the KGB archives and the CIA

Mass amounts of Oswald files were burnt in the CIA, if Obama asked to see it they would simply say no, these groups are designed to break the law. I just think he's been violent against the Chechnya groups

[Azunite]

I just think he's been violent against the Chechnya groups


Hmm... A question.

Is Putin violent against them because Chechens were law breakers? Or because of his violence did teh Chechens became terrorists?

[tovaris]

Hmm... A question.

Is Putin violent against them because Chechens were law breakers? Or because of his violence did teh Chechens became terrorists?

The čečnian problem is older than Putin, but your question stil stands (just replace Putin in that sentenc:) )

[Harry Smith]

Hmm... A question.

Is Putin violent against them because Chechens were law breakers? Or because of his violence did teh Chechens became terrorists?

They wanted Independence from Russia after the break up of the soviet union, I mean it depends who you look from, the Russians saw them as terrorists but the chechens saw themself as freedom fighters

[Azunite]

They wanted Independence from Russia after the break up of the soviet union, I mean it depends who you look from, the Russians saw them as terrorists but the chechens saw themself as freedom fighters

Well, same situation as everywhere around the world.

They forget one fact: No eastern country emerged after the fall of the Soviet Union. Only Baltic States, Ukraine and stuff.

[tovaris]

Well, same situation as everywhere around the world.

They forget one fact: No eastern country emerged after the fall of the Soviet Union. Only Baltic States, Ukraine and stuff.

They did not emerge they were alredy there before the colapse of CCCP.

[Harry Smith]

They did not emerge they were alredy there before the colapse of CCCP.

They weren't countries, they were moscow's play things

[tovaris]

They weren't countries, they were moscow's play things

Oficialy they vere countries, the actual situatiin might have been diferent.

[TheBigUnit]

what like secret stuff? hes the president wouldn't he know anyway? or do you mean like hes violente because he has killed so many?

secret assassination atttempts, secrets about other leaders, basically wikileaks in his head...