Seperation of state and religion.

[tovaris]

What is your opinion on this topic? Should state and religion be seperated?


My personal opinion is that such seperation is necesary and mendatory in amy country that used democracy and respects the wrights of all citizents.

[Origami]

Yes, I believe Separation of Church and State is an integral part of government. Religion, unfortunately, can be very oppressive when it has political power.

[Jess]

Of course they should. Religion doesn't rule all; not everyone believes in the same religion or any religion at all.

[AustinKGB]

Well what about countries founded on religious ideals? Even though those who hold Christian values in Canada are a healthy majority, religious and idealogical minorities seem to have a much stronger voice in the public eye. Not trying to pick a side here.

And, another touchy point. For a country like Canada (again) who is founded on religious/conservative values, should the country change policy for different groups who are coming to the country? Like in the case of Muslims coming to Canada, for the freedoms, but also bringing Sharia Law/gender inequality (Not trying to make a generalization, but it has happened here). ?

[Left Now]

I think if the majority of a country is okay with it,there can't be any problems for religion to be with state.

[comical]

I'm all for the Separation of Church and State. It seems like the best way to go in life. For America to supposedly be founded on a basis of "freedom of religion", "all are equal" and the separation of church & state, it never lived up to those latter two. If we really want all to feel equal in America, and have a separation of church and state, we honestly need to do some redesigning to our dollar bills and the Pledge of Allegiance and nearly every other document from America. I think in the UK church & state are highly attached. I feel a major global movement coming in our lifetimes regarding religion. We have so many religious ties in our government and everything mainstream now. We must realize not everyone is the same religion, and not everyone is religious.

[Cygnus]

Of course, religious organizations should never have power and should be taxed since we do not know where all those donations go.

[Stronk Serb]

I am for separation of state and religion. Ths state is to serve the people not the religion. I would also put taxes on religious organisations.

[tovaris]

I think if the majority of a country is okay with it,there can't be any problems for religion to be with state.

But how about minoraties, or even religious reformers?
If state and religion are not seperated than people of other religions are in a subordenate situation, don't you think.

[Polansek]

Itismy opinion that seperation of diferent religioue organisations and state is a must in modern society.

[Left Now]

But how about minoraties, or even religious reformers?
If state and religion are not seperated than people of other religions are in a subordenate situation, don't you think.

I don't think so,because there can be some footnotes for them in a religious government and society.

[tovaris]

I don't think so,because there can be some footnotes for them in a religious government and society.

You certenatly have an interesting point of view, conflicts with myne (therefore wrong in my opinion ;) ) but interesting.
I personaly see no argumente that sais that religionious institution and state should be joined as one institution, and see doing something like that as incorect and undemocratic.

[Harry Smith]

You certenatly have an interesting point of view, conflicts with myne (therefore wrong in my opinion ;) ) but interesting.
I personaly see no argumente that sais that religionious institution and state should be joined as one institution, and see doing something like that as incorect and undemocratic.

A political view cannot be incorrect, I can see that there are arguments for keeping religion part of the state simply because it's been around for so long and would cost a lot in order to change this. I'm not saying that this view is correct I'm purely saying that this is one of the views that is held

[tovaris]

A political view cannot be incorrect, I can see that there are arguments for keeping religion part of the state simply because it's been around for so long and would cost a lot in order to change this. I'm not saying that this view is correct I'm purely saying that this is one of the views that is held

There is no thing as corect or incorect political view, however in ones opinion it can be corect or incorect.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Yes, I am very secular (1 word for what you refer to.)

Because, the state should not have any say in what anyone believes.

[Harry Smith]

There is no thing as corect or incorect political view, however in ones opinion it can be corect or incorect.

No, incorrect means that it physically can't be right, you may disagree with it by you can't that there view is incorrect unless there are facts involved

[tovaris]

No, incorrect means that it physically can't be right, you may disagree with it by you can't that there view is incorrect unless there are facts involved

My comprehanding of dictionary definitions might be inconplet. But a oposite view i see as wrong in such a case i will back my opinion with facts.

[Vladskie]

I agree that religion has no place in politics, but the biggest problem is that for almost the entire existence of modern civilization they have gone hand in hand, in many instances the church was the head of state. Now that it is becoming an issue to separate them, many people will see it as a direct attack on their religion.

[tovaris]

I agree that religion has no place in politics, but the biggest problem is that for almost the entire existence of modern civilization they have gone hand in hand, in many instances the church was the head of state. Now that it is becoming an issue to separate them, many people will see it as a direct attack on their religion.

How would you deal with those people? What yould you do to calm the religious mases?

[randomnessqueen]

i dont think it should be quite oil and water
but there should be enough seperation that government is not under control of one religion
however in usa case, its just the opposite to that
in public matters they are treated like oil and water
and yet the vast majority of politicians are protestant and let that influence their political decisions

[Walter Powers]

i dont think it should be quite oil and water
but there should be enough seperation that government is not under control of one religion
however in usa case, its just the opposite to that
in public matters they are treated like oil and water
and yet the vast majority of politicians are protestant and let that influence their political decisions

The vast majority? I thought it was about a third Catholic, a third Protestant, and a third other.

If the vast majority were Protestant gay marriage wouldn't be legal anywhere.

[Rina]

I think state and religion should be separated. But, I don't think it can happen. It's been like this for so long and some major influences are religious. I just think beliefs shouldn't be pressed upon everyone, but it's always going to happen.

[randomnessqueen]

The vast majority? I thought it was about a third Catholic, a third Protestant, and a third other.

If the vast majority were Protestant gay marriage wouldn't be legal anywhere.

catholics are more strict on homosexuality. protestants are generally more liberal and more willing to abandone pieces of their faith for political correctness or progressive mindsets.

[Walter Powers]

catholics are more strict on homosexuality. protestants are generally more liberal and more willing to abandone pieces of their faith for political correctness or progressive mindsets.

Huh I think it's sorta the opposite. I mean, Catholics aren't super strict anymore. The Pope recently claimed athiests won't go to hell or something like that.

[Walter Powers]

I think state and religion should be separated. But, I don't think it can happen. It's been like this for so long and some major influences are religious. I just think beliefs shouldn't be pressed upon everyone, but it's always going to happen.

Uh, it's happened here in America. Remember, freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion.

[tovaris]

Uh, it's happened here in America. Remember, freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion.

And jet your president starts his term by putting his hand non the bible, god is mentioned on your currency...

[britishboy]

And jet your president starts his term by putting his hand non the bible, god is mentioned on your currency...

yea because theyre christian countries, doesn't mean the law are designed or based on/for that religion, for example britian is a christian country and we allow abortions and sex out side of marriage see what I mean?

[Walter Powers]

yea because theyre christian countries, doesn't mean the law are designed or based on/for that religion, for example britian is a christian country and we allow abortions and sex out side of marriage see what I mean?

Exactly.

[tovaris]

yea because theyre christian countries, doesn't mean the law are designed or based on/for that religion, for example britian is a christian country and we allow abortions and sex out side of marriage see what I mean?

oh lets have orur head of state and religious leder in the same person... HRH QEII

[Harry Smith]

yea because theyre christian countries, doesn't mean the law are designed or based on/for that religion, for example britian is a christian country and we allow abortions and sex out side of marriage see what I mean?

Actually it does, we have safeguards that means that the government can't force religious institutions into certain moves, this is called canon law and dates back hundreds of years.

I think the fact that our head of state is head of the church pretty much sums it up.

Also abortions and sex outside of marriage are both opposed by the Catholic church, our religion is church of England hence why they're not an issue, I thought you would know that being a brit

[britishboy]

Actually it does, we have safeguards that means that the government can't force religious institutions into certain moves, this is called canon law and dates back hundreds of years.

I think the fact that our head of state is head of the church pretty much sums it up.

Also abortions and sex outside of marriage are both opposed by the Catholic church, our religion is church of England hence why they're not an issue, I thought you would know that being a brit

you dont understand, our monach must be Christian because of old stuff, our modern day laws are based on, the economy, freedom and equallity, I know you dislike the country and personnlly I prefer Australia anyway but you cant ignore facts

[Harry Smith]

you dont understand, our monach must be Christian because of old stuff, our modern day laws are based on, the economy, freedom and equallity, I know you dislike the country and personnlly I prefer Australia anyway but you cant ignore facts

I don't dislike the country, don't you fucking question that you arrogant prick, who the fuck do you think you are?

Our monarch is not christian... she is CHURCH OF ENGLAND, they are no way as strict as Catholics on a number of issues, the cofe advocated freedom, heck most religion does.

You ignore the facts

[tovaris]

you dont understand, our monach must be Christian because of old stuff, our modern day laws are based on, the economy, freedom and equallity, I know you dislike the country and personnlly I prefer Australia anyway but you cant ignore facts

Cristeanery, like Islam alowes freedom of religion at its core, hoping to aventuly convert the infidales afcors. Cristeanety also pretches freedom of people, and do not forget „that we are all equal before goog and will be jidged the same way”

[britishboy]

I don't dislike the country, don't you fucking question that you arrogant prick, who the fuck do you think you are?

Our monarch is not christian... she is CHURCH OF ENGLAND, they are no way as strict as Catholics on a number of issues, the cofe advocated freedom, heck most religion does.

You ignore the facts

the CoE is Christian and harry you hate the country, you clearly dont like our laws, our monarch or our foreign policies unless your a fan of the weather (which I doubt:p) you dislike britian anyway irrelevant, our country is not run for any religion for example as im sure you know gay marriage has passed the house of lords and is expected to be implemented in around 2014

[Harry Smith]

the CoE is Christian and harry you hate the country, you clearly dont like our laws, our monarch or our foreign policies unless your a fan of the weather (which I doubt:p) you dislike britian anyway irrelevant, our country is not run for any religion for example as im sure you know gay marriage has passed the house of lords and is expected to be implemented in around 2014

how the fuck do you have the right to tell me what I like or dislike, I love this country, I love the fact that I can be proud of our history, I love the fact that so many different people are unified in this country, I love the fact that my family has served in the Armed forces, I've got my great grandads war medals and that makes me so proud.

I've served in the air cadets, I've sworn loyalty to queen, I don't agree with it but I swore loyalty in front of the flag

Don't you ever tell me about my own life you 'insert swear word'

[tovaris]

the CoE is Christian and harry you hate the country, you clearly dont like our laws, our monarch or our foreign policies unless your a fan of the weather (which I doubt:p) you dislike britian anyway irrelevant, our country is not run for any religion for example as im sure you know gay marriage has passed the house of lords and is expected to be implemented in around 2014

Britan is an island.
Homosexuals arent made tat bad by the bible acording to it shelfish are worst.

[britishboy]

Fuck you, how the fuck do you have the right to tell me what I like or dislike, I love this country, I love the fact that I can be proud of our history, I love the fact that so many different people are unified in this country, I love the fact that my family has served in the Armed forces, I've got my great grandads war medals and that makes me so proud.

I've served in the air cadets, I've sworn loyalty to queen, I don't agree with it but I swore loyalty in front of the flag

Don't you ever fucking tell me about my own life you fucking cunt

do you not think your getting a wee bit emotional? and I gone to air cadets!:D didbt even get to corporal though, I dont the 6 months probation but got boardXD I always wanted to be a pilot but my parents insists it must only be a hobby:'( they want me to have a carree in business and economics:p and its just abit wierd how you like your country but ive only ever seen you disagree with it

[Harry Smith]

do you not think your getting a wee bit emotional? and I gone to air cadets!:D didbt even get to corporal though, I dont the 6 months probation but got boardXD I always wanted to be a pilot but my parents insists it must only be a hobby:'( they want me to have a carree in business and economics:p and its just abit wierd how you like your country but ive only ever seen you disagree with it

Once again I'm not blindly bliss, and no I'm not, you can't tell me what I hate or why I hate it, I know what I hate and the UK isn't one of them. Are you austic are something, you make these grand sweeping statements and then act like it was nothing, Cicero has been training you well.

Things I like in Britain
1) Gay Marriage getting passed
2) Diversity
3) Culture
4) History

Does that make it nice and clear for you, just because I disagree with you doesn't make me less British

[britishboy]

Once again I'm not blindly bliss, and no I'm not, you can't tell me what I hate or why I hate it, I know what I hate and the UK isn't one of them. Are you austic are something, you make these grand sweeping statements and then act like it was nothing, Cicero has been training you well.

Things I like in Britain
1) Gay Marriage getting passed
2) Diversity
3) Culture
4) History

Does that make it nice and clear for you, just because I disagree with you doesn't make me less British

thanks for clearing it up:)

[Walter Powers]

Actually it does, we have safeguards that means that the government can't force religious institutions into certain moves, this is called canon law and dates back hundreds of years.

I think the fact that our head of state is head of the church pretty much sums it up.

Also abortions and sex outside of marriage are both opposed by the Catholic church, our religion is church of England hence why they're not an issue, I thought you would know that being a brit

There's loads of Catholics in Ireland...I know that the Irish couldn't handle the religious difference so you had to practically go into civil war!

[tovaris]

There's loads of Catholics in Ireland...I know that the Irish couldn't handle the religious difference so you had to practically go into civil war!

Not a civil war since the english were the ocupiing force, it was a sucsesful (partly) war of independance.

[Harry Smith]

There's loads of Catholics in Ireland...I know that the Irish couldn't handle the religious difference so you had to practically go into civil war!

No, there is loads of Catholics in southern Island, we own northern Ireland which is made up of protestants, I wouldn't call it a civil war that implies all of Britain was involved.

[Walter Powers]

No, there is loads of Catholics in southern Island, we own northern Ireland which is made up of protestants, I wouldn't call it a civil war that implies all of Britain was involved.

I see. When we learned about this in school, all I remember is I just found it funny how a bunch of British people boycotted McDonalds because they heard it was a big IRA contributer.

[Harry Smith]

Not a civil war since the english were the ocupiing force, it was a sucsesful (partly) war of independance.

wrong, the english did not occupy, England doesn't exist as a state, there is no English army.

A very small group of Northern Irish Catholics wanted to join Ireland, a large amount of northern irelanders wanted to stay in Britain where they belonged to.

Calling it a war of independence is wrong, that implies northern irish Catholics wanted there own state which they did not

[tovaris]

wrong, the english did not occupy, England doesn't exist as a state, there is no English army.

A very small group of Northern Irish Catholics wanted to join Ireland, a large amount of northern irelanders wanted to stay in Britain where they belonged to.

Calling it a war of independence is wrong, that implies northern irish Catholics wanted there own state which they did not

Im calling the whole irish thind from the wery north to the south a war of independence.
The Wnglish ruled the army and the rest of the enpire, they were the ruling therefore the army belonged to them no mather what the states form.
Afcors they were the ocupiing force they simola came with arms to Ireland and newer left until the irish chased them out.

[Appypollylogges]

Religion has 0% place in a fair government.
When religion gets into the mix, all it does is makes cause discrimination.
Example-Gay Rights.
The only thing keeping Gay rights away from law, is the religious view point of certain politicians.

[Harry Smith]

Im calling the whole irish thind from the wery north to the south a war of independence.
The Wnglish ruled the army and the rest of the enpire, they were the ruling therefore the army belonged to them no mather what the states form.
Afcors they were the ocupiing force they simola came with arms to Ireland and newer left until the irish chased them out.

1) Wnglish? That's new, it's been great Britain since 1707, thats nearly 300 years. The state of England does not exist.

2) We were never chased out, the IRA lost. Northen Ireland is still part of the union, your statement is just plain wrong

[STEALTHy]

Well even though almost every nation on the planet currently was founded upon religion. I believe they should be set apart from each other or else it could be possible where a nation becomes into what the Holy Roman Empire was.

[Walter Powers]

Religion has 0% place in a fair government.
When religion gets into the mix, all it does is makes cause discrimination.
Example-Gay Rights.
The only thing keeping Gay rights away from law, is the religious view point of certain politicians.


No, it's the religious views of the people whom they represent. And the vast majority of Americans are against gay marriage. So something would be seriously wrong if a majority of the politicians were for it.

Like I've said, freedom of religion isn't freedom from religion. Freedom from religion is in fact infringing on freedom of religion, because it is pushing Atheism apon the population.

[Harry Smith]

No, it's the religious views of the people whom they represent. And the vast majority of Americans are against gay marriage. So something would be seriously wrong if a majority of the politicians were for it.

Like I've said, freedom of religion isn't freedom from religion. Freedom from religion is in fact infringing on freedom of religion, because it is pushing Atheism apon the population.

How come 13 states now have gay marriage then? Isn't it logical for us to live in an Atheist society when there is no credible proof for God at all, why should we govern our self based on a myth

[Walter Powers]

How come 13 states now have gay marriage then? Isn't it logical for us to live in an Atheist society when there is no credible proof for God at all, why should we govern our self based on a myth

Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it's wrong. Remember, here in America we have the first Amendment that protects freedom of religion. Just because you don't believe in God doesn't entitle you to force Atheism on others. In situations like this, the only fair way to legislate is majority rules.

[Harry Smith]

Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it's wrong. Remember, here in America we have the first Amendment that protects freedom of religion. Just because you don't believe in God doesn't entitle you to force Atheism on others. In situations like this, the only fair way to legislate is majority rules.

I'm not saying enforce it, I'm saying that no religion should impact an individuals right, including the right to marry

[Appypollylogges]

No, it's the religious views of the people whom they represent. And the vast majority of Americans are against gay marriage. So something would be seriously wrong if a majority of the politicians were for it.

Like I've said, freedom of religion isn't freedom from religion. Freedom from religion is in fact infringing on freedom of religion, because it is pushing Atheism apon the population.

I'm not saying that there's no place for religion in society, but it shouldn't infringe upon the rights of others or upon fairness in government.

Oh and by the way :D, I wouldn't exactly call less then half a vast majority.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/11/17708688-nbcwsj-poll-53-percent-support-gay-marriage?lite
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57576249/poll-53-of-americans-support-same-sex-marriage/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/05/13/poll-more-than-half-of-americans-support-legal-recognition-of-same-sex-marriage/

[Walter Powers]

I'm not saying that there's no place for religion in society, but it shouldn't infringe upon the rights of others or upon fairness in government.

Oh and by the way :D, I wouldn't exactly call less then half a vast majority.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/11/17708688-nbcwsj-poll-53-percent-support-gay-marriage?lite
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57576249/poll-53-of-americans-support-same-sex-marriage/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/05/13/poll-more-than-half-of-americans-support-legal-recognition-of-same-sex-marriage/

Okay, I was wrong there.

I guess Americans just don't consider it important enough to impact who they'll vote for; that's why most politicians oppose it.

I'm not saying enforce it, I'm saying that no religion should impact an individuals right, including the right to marry

How about a compromise: Would you been in favor of removing state-recodnized marriage altogether? That way it doesn't infringe on what religious people see as holy.

Please don't double post. ~StoppingTime

[yviedarling]

What people don't realize is the most basic of our laws are based on religion. Don't Murder, Cheat, or Steal? Yeah, that's due to religion.

I don't really have an opinion on the matter, just thought I'd point that out.

[tovaris]

1) Wnglish? That's new, it's been great Britain since 1707, thats nearly 300 years. The state of England does not exist.

2) We were never chased out, the IRA lost. Northen Ireland is still part of the union, your statement is just plain wrong

Ireland is nolonger part of UK that some kind of sucses by the irish people.

[Harry Smith]

Ireland is nolonger part of UK that some kind of sucses by the irish people.

The Catholics have an independent state in the south, the north still belongs to Great Britain