Internet Surveillance

[Harry Smith]

It has recently emerged that both the American and British intelligence services have been hacking into major servers of companies like Google and Facebook in order to access people's personal details.It's claimed that this is needed in order to monitor terrorists but do you think it's right that the CIA and MI6 would be able to search through your computer?

[Stronk Serb]

No. What could possibly they obtain from my Facebook account or email adress? A terrorist with a brain does not use the internet to communicate. There is no privacy on the internet.

[Fanta_Lover44]

I think it's completely wrong, They don't need to look at our messages. I am pretty sure a terrorist would not rely on things such as facebook.

[Ryhanna]

Uh, no thanks. Stop watching me.

[britishboy]

terrorists have been caught by internet surveillance

[Elysium]

terrorists have been caught by internet surveillance
This... I mean, I don't know, I don't like the idea of my privacy being invaded, but it really doesn't bother me all that much. Privacy is a thing of the past, and has been for a while now. If you don't want your privacy invaded, don't put yourself out there, both on the internet and anywhere else. It's morally wrong to secretly hack into our personal information, but that's why public opinion is controlled; it's difficult to determine where the line is drawn between right and wrong when you're talking about ethics.

I don't like the idea of my Facebook messages being read any more than the next person, but I doubt the CIA cares much about the grade I got on an essay or the guy I'm looking forward to seeing this summer.

[britishboy]

This... I mean, I don't know, I don't like the idea of my privacy being invaded, but it really doesn't bother me all that much. Privacy is a thing of the past, and has been for a while now. If you don't want your privacy invaded, don't put yourself out there, both on the internet and anywhere else. It's morally wrong to secretly hack into our personal information, but that's why public opinion is controlled; it's difficult to determine where the line is drawn between right and wrong when you're talking about ethics.

I don't like the idea of my Facebook messages being read any more than the next person, but I doubt the CIA cares much about the grade I got on an essay or the guy I'm looking forward to seeing this summer.

exactly thats my opinion but unless you like being blown up you need monitoring

[Twilly F. Sniper]

It makes sense, but that's a little extreme.

[Southside]

I see the point of national security and all that kind of stuff, but they need to pick out the bad guys from the good guys. Dont they have a terrorist watch list? Why not just put those type of people on surveillance...

[Harry Smith]

I see the point of national security and all that kind of stuff, but they need to pick out the bad guys from the good guys. Dont they have a terrorist watch list? Why not just put those type of people on surveillance...

how do they identify who is a terrorist in the first place? Through people's internet traffic

[Southside]

how do they identify who is a terrorist in the first place? Through people's internet traffic

How would you determine a terrorist from web traffic? If you watch a Al-Qaeda video on Youtube? Searching up terrorist groups on wikipedia? A lot of regular people do these things and there not terrorist.

[Harry Smith]

How would you determine a terrorist from web traffic? If you watch a Al-Qaeda video on Youtube? If someone searchs up components to a bomb?

Pretty much, if someone is watching radical preaching then they look further into there details. Why would anyone who is wishing to act legally search how to make a bomb?

[Southside]

Pretty much, if someone is watching radical preaching then they look further into there details. Why would anyone who is wishing to act legally search how to make a bomb?

I guess whatever keeps innocents from being killed, still, I dont think mass surveillance is needed. They just need to focus on the bad guys who they know have potential to plan an attack or have contacts with foreign groups.

[Harry Smith]

I guess whatever keeps innocents from being killed, still, I dont think mass surveillance is needed. They just need to focus on the bad guys who they know have potential to plan an attack or have contacts with foreign groups.

You don't need contact with foreign groups, just type it in on Google and get the ingredients. Put it in a rucksack and leave it on a bus

[Camazotz]

They're not monitoring every person, every message, and all activity by the average person. They only monitor "suspected terrorists", people that post or message things about bombs, attacks, etc. The likelyhood that the government is watching any of us is less than .01%.

[Southside]

You don't need contact with foreign groups, just type it in on Google and get the ingredients. Put it in a rucksack and leave it on a bus

A lot of these guys arent receving training on financial support from foreign groups but they are in contact. What about the guys who beheaded the Brit soldier? They had contacts with people in Kenya I believe(Correct me if im wrong). Fort Hood guy was in contact with a radical in the Middle East. Boston guys are believed to have contacts somewhere in Russia

[Trenton_]

they can monitor us idc, but I think it would be easier for CIA, NSA MI6 to make a terrorist dating site :

Are you a terrorist? Are you in need of a hook up or Wife?

THEN HAVE WE GOT A DEAL FOR YOU !

Tired of the not getting any after a hard day of terrorist cell activity?
Well we heard ya loud and clear! Have we got the bitches for you!

We gots so many bizzatches that YOU'LL be glad to get back to terror-ing.

Can't focus on your bomb makin?
Well maybe you need a terrorism Time-Out hand job!

OR.....

Do you stink? And have bad teeth?
Are you tired of wearing hand made sandles without arch support?
How's that dress you're wearin? Kinda crappy?
And finally... Are you out of American flags to burn right when CNN shows up?

Well not any more!

Just Join the Terrorist Union and get all the benefits of membership implied above!

PLUS:
you'll earn frequent flyer miles every time you travel!
You'll get free burial or we'll just leave your body where it was!
One "hope to see you soon card" sent to Gitmo if you get caught!

so someone just needs a terrorist app and you can track 'em all ya want.
oh.. and your welcome!




es your terror cell have a health care plan? No?

[Apollo.]

I don't really care, I don't have anything to hide so they can check what they like.

[Origami]

It has recently emerged that both the American and British intelligence services have been hacking into major servers of companies like Google and Facebook in order to access people's personal details.It's claimed that this is needed in order to monitor terrorists but do you think it's right that the CIA and MI6 would be able to search through your computer?

This is the only problem I have with it. It is well known that larger companies collect data on us and then sell it. I have no problem with this. However, I don't think the CIA should have the right to hack into a companies servers to obtain this information. This information should have to be purchased or at least handed over by the company.

[tovaris]

What they are doing is a crime. They disrespected human rights.
That is exactly why i never give my real name adres, ect. to the internet.

[Harry Smith]

What they are doing is a crime. They disrespected human rights.
That is exactly why i never give my real name adres, ect. to the internet.

The CIA are paid to break laws

[Professional Russian]

Hell I got nothing to hide. They come search my house if they want. If you don't have anything to hide why do. You care so much?

[Sugaree]

Hell I got nothing to hide. They come search my house if they want. If you don't have anything to hide why do. You care so much?

Herp, what is the Fourth Amendment, derp:rolleyes:

[Jess]

It's not right at all, but I don't care much as I got nothing to hide.....

[Sugaree]

It's not right at all, but I don't care much as I got nothing to hide.....

This is the problem. This exact opinion is the problem. "Well I don't have anything to hide, they can do it all they want!" Do none of you know your Constitutional right to privacy and protection from unwarranted searches and seizures? Jesus Christ, it's like no one CARES.

[likemike]

Its wrong

[Cicero]

Actually, they don't waste their time looking through their face books. What they do, is search your content if you say a keyword or something. It would take them years to search everyone's Facebook. They only search your Facebook if you use a terrorist type keyword or whatever

[Sugaree]

Actually, they don't waste their time looking through their face books. What they do, is search your content if you say a keyword or something. It would take them years to search everyone's Facebook. They only search your Facebook if you use a terrorist type keyword or whatever

Wrong. The government collects the meta data of everything you do on the internet. That means they have all your Twitter data, Facebook data, and any other data they can find on you. They aren't just looking at your Facebook for a few keywords, they're actually keeping this shit on record.

[Stronk Serb]

The CIA are paid to break laws

As long as they serve the interests of the US, government, yes, just like any other intelligence and counter-intelligence service.

Herp, what is the Fourth Amendment, derp:rolleyes:
This is the problem. This exact opinion is the problem. "Well I don't have anything to hide, they can do it all they want!" Do none of you know your Constitutional right to privacy and protection from unwarranted searches and seizures? Jesus Christ, it's like no one CARES.

By many national laws, both US and other, you need a court warrant to search any kind of personal property, be it physical or intellectual.

Wrong. The government collects the meta data of everything you do on the internet. That means they have all your Twitter data, Facebook data, and any other data they can find on you. They aren't just looking at your Facebook for a few keywords, they're actually keeping this shit on record.

So, they can hack into your computer and download all your data from your hard drive, assuming you have internet connection, search through your social network accounts?? That is wrong, they aren't just doing it to US citizens, they might have searched me also. I got nothing to hide, but honestly, I do not like the fact that some guy who I do not even know is looking through my Facebook pictures, messages, other social networks activity, looking through my computer etc. That is serious law violation both by US and Serbian laws.

[tovaris]

The CIA are paid to break laws

Isnt CIA a goverment organisation?
Therefor the US goverment is breaking laws and should be stopped.

[britishboy]

What they are doing is a crime. They disrespected human rights.
That is exactly why i never give my real name adres, ect. to the internet.

is it illegal? no, crimes are illegal... and your over reacting and its not against human rights, and do you enjoy being blown up? people who obey the law have nothing to fear from it

Hell I got nothing to hide. They come search my house if they want. If you don't have anything to hide why do. You care so much?

exactly:p

[Sugaree]

So, they can hack into your computer and download all your data from your hard drive, assuming you have internet connection, search through your social network accounts?? That is wrong, they aren't just doing it to US citizens, they might have searched me also. I got nothing to hide, but honestly, I do not like the fact that some guy who I do not even know is looking through my Facebook pictures, messages, other social networks activity, looking through my computer etc. That is serious law violation both by US and Serbian laws.

Not really; they just have access to the servers used by those sites and can get whatever they want.

[Stronk Serb]

is it illegal? no, crimes are illegal... and your over reacting and its not against human rights, and do you enjoy being blown up? people who obey the law have nothing to fear from it


exactly:p

It is stated in many laws that you can only be searched with a court warrant. The CIA and MI6 are not doing it with a warrant henceforth it is illegal. Even if it is for counter-terrorism, it is wrong. How would you like a 35-50 years old man browse through your social network accounts and maybe computer? I got nothing to hide, but I do not like some American man searching through my Facebook account and e-mail adress? They might have done and are keeping me on record.

[tovaris]

is it illegal? no, crimes are illegal... and your over reacting and its not against human rights, and do you enjoy being blown up? people who obey the law have nothing to fear from it



exactly:p

Im not sure about american law but here you cant just spi on everione without the right paperwork, that makes their doing elegal. As it is an invasion of privacie and the human right to acses the internet unabstructed.
Oh yes make the world a police state and call is safe from „terorists”.

[StoppingTime]

Not really; they just have access to the servers used by those sites and can get whatever they want.

Basically this. If the CIA had a reasonable evidence (or, unfortunately, anyone with access even without evidence) you were doing something illegal on the Internet (be it child pornography, or supposed terrorist ties, though that seems far-fetched to me) they could see what you're doing.

The same goes for your ISPs. Your ISP keeps track of every website you visit, and the government could easily request that information.

[Harry Smith]

Isnt CIA a goverment organisation?
Therefor the US goverment is breaking laws and should be stopped.

Nope, ever heard of plausible deniablily, the government have no idea what the CIA do, they break the laws every day. I mean that's why the seals who killed Bin Laden moved to the CIA

[britishboy]

It is stated in many laws that you can only be searched with a court warrant. The CIA and MI6 are not doing it with a warrant henceforth it is illegal. Even if it is for counter-terrorism, it is wrong. How would you like a 35-50 years old man browse through your social network accounts and maybe computer? I got nothing to hide, but I do not like some American man searching through my Facebook account and e-mail adress? They might have done and are keeping me on record.

the agents that do it are well trained and its if they are suspicious of you, there are not enough agents in mi5 and cia combined (mi6 if foreign intelligence) to police the internet so they only do suspicious people and if it stops terrorism im happy, and it's fine for you in Serbia, you dont have planes flying into buildings or soilders being hacked to death! its a war on terror!

[tovaris]

Nope, ever heard of plausible deniablily, the government have no idea what the CIA do, they break the laws every day. I mean that's why the seals who killed Bin Laden moved to the CIA

No mather they should be stopptd, trield and sent to prison.
And they should not stear at goats with their pancrease removed.

the agents that do it are well trained and its if they are suspicious of you, there are not enough agents in mi5 and cia combined (mi6 if foreign intelligence) to police the internet so they only do suspicious people and if it stops terrorism im happy, and it's fine for you in Serbia, you dont have planes flying into buildings or soilders being hacked to death! its a war on terror!

Wae on teror? Seriously? Stil using that out of date term? Stil trust the bush administration and conpany?
Also suspition is not enouth they need evidance to get a warent.

[PinkFloyd]

The only way I would actually care is if I had a bunch of illegally downloaded movies and child porn etc etc... My point is that I have nothing to hide.

[britishboy]

No mather they should be stopptd, trield and sent to prison.
And they should not stear at goats with their pancrease removed.



Wae on teror? Seriously? Stil using that out of date term? Stil trust the bush administration and conpany?
Also suspition is not enouth they need evidance to get a warent.

suspicion is enough as I see it and use your brain, we are in a war with terror, anyone who disagrees is an idiot, whether they should access our computer id debatable, the war on terror is fact, if you have nothing to hide, dont wurry

[Harry Smith]

No mather they should be stopptd, trield and sent to prison.
And they should not stear at goats with their pancrease removed..

Ok, good luck sending the CIA to prison, they could take down your country in two days.

[tovaris]

Ok, good luck sending the CIA to prison, they could take down your country in two days.

You might be very esaly be able to take down the institutions of the republic, but you can never take down the people.
And the people of the USA and other police states should rise and demand their freedom, and equalety before the law.

suspicion is enough as I see it and use your brain, we are in a war with terror, anyone who disagrees is an idiot, whether they should access our computer id debatable, the war on terror is fact, if you have nothing to hide, dont wurry

CIA created the taliban and suported alquida... So who created war on teror? Who are the bigest terorists on this planet? So our conclusion about those who propagate war on teror is...
Suspition is not enouth we have laws that prevent that sort of anarchy.
What i wury is that the Non american activeties comitie will put me to prison if i as mush as point my finger over the USA border.

[tovaris]

no not again

[Left Now]

Haha.So Human Rights are just sucking here right?

[Harry Smith]

You might be very esaly be able to take down the institutions of the republic, but you can never take down the people.
And the people of the USA and other police states should rise and demand their freedom, and equalety before the law..


Ok, your really good at Rhetoric, you should visit North Korea. They would love you, death to the grand evil empire of the west, the police should rise up against there overloads.

No-one takes you seriously, they could take down the people with a dirty bomb, or a ICBM. The US isn't a police state, they're CPS ensures that by innocent before proven guilty and make other legal restrictions

[tovaris]

Ok, your really good at Rhetoric, you should visit North Korea. They would love you, death to the grand evil empire of the west, the police should rise up against there overloads.

No-one takes you seriously, they could take down the people with a dirty bomb, or a ICBM. The US isn't a police state, they're CPS ensures that by innocent before proven guilty and make other legal restrictions

I am againced the Korean dictatorship, if you havent noticed.

They hawe tried destroing this people for many centuries by many metods, even sending them to concentration camps and moving them to other parts of the world and jet we are stil here.

How abput those guilty but with ,asive political power or large amounts of monie?

The USA is a police state just loock at it.

Haha.So Human Rights are just sucking here right?

Those people dont care about himan rights at all,
tovariš.

[Stronk Serb]

Ok, good luck sending the CIA to prison, they could take down your country in two days.

Intelligece services do it by arranging accidents, not by trial. They are above the law. For example, if you are a spy acting as a diplomat, if you are caught, you will be transferred out of the country as a persona non grata. But that does not mean that some agencies would arrange a, for example, car accident for you to die in if they blew your cover.

You might be very esaly be able to take down the institutions of the republic, but you can never take down the people.
And the people of the USA and other police states should rise and demand their freedom, and equalety before the law.



CIA created the taliban and suported alquida... So who created war on teror? Who are the bigest terorists on this planet? So our conclusion about those who propagate war on teror is...
Suspition is not enouth we have laws that prevent that sort of anarchy.
What i wury is that the Non american activeties comitie will put me to prison if i as mush as point my finger over the USA border.

You are right aboout who created the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. The CIA traine and armed the Taliban during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Those same Taliban were good imposing their extremist laws upon the Afghan people, as long as they fought the Soviets, but the Soviet Union fell apart. The Taliban were not doing anything against the US. The US invaded them for oil.

[LuciferSam]

In the US, it's known that the DOJ has been spying on the Associated Press, Fox News, The New York Times, and other news agencies, and that the IRS has been discriminating against people with right-wing leanings. I get surveilling those who are suspects, but given that our government has been screwing with stuff that they shouldn't, I don't trust them with this level of surveillance capability. In this age of technicality and political correctness, it seems that anything can be stretched to look bad, and I don't want to be put on trial for saying that I disagree with the prevailing political views.

[Harry Smith]

. The US invaded them for oil.

It wasn't for oil. we were buying oil from Iraq for about 50 years, why would we need to steal something that a) America already have B) We've been buying

[Stronk Serb]

It wasn't for oil. we were buying oil from Iraq for about 50 years, why would we need to steal something that a) America already have B) We've been buying



The US, not the UK. The CIA created the Taliban, after the invasion, the US got that oil literally for free, and it was a large part of Afghan oil reserves.

[Left Now]

It wasn't for oil. we were buying oil from Iraq for about 50 years, why would we need to steal something that a) America already have B) We've been buying

Because buying oil has a limit but stealing it doesn't have any limits.Also,stealing oil means take the oil with a lower cost than the cost of buying it.

[Sugaree]

suspicion is enough as I see it and use your brain, we are in a war with terror, anyone who disagrees is an idiot, whether they should access our computer id debatable, the war on terror is fact, if you have nothing to hide, dont wurry

Because it's just not possible for a government agency to twist the evidence to their liking and arrest you for whatever they want, whenever they want, and however they want. You're so fucking gullible it's not even funny. Your entire argument is "Trust them; if you have nothing to hide, you're fine." No. You shouldn't trust ANY government agency, no matter how good of a job they seem to be doing.

[Harry Smith]

The US, not the UK. The CIA created the Taliban, after the invasion, the US got that oil literally for free, and it was a large part of Afghan oil reserves.

The CIA funded the Taliban because they were opposed to the Russians, back the it was called the Mujaheddin and it was a much loser coaliton of forces, the nit developed into the Taliban in the late 90's. Afganistan doesn't have much oil at all, and as per usual you lack a source to claim that we got it for free

Because buying oil has a limit but stealing it doesn't have any limits.Also,stealing oil means take the oil with a lower cost than the cost of buying it.

Lool okay, we built a massive pipe that connected to Iraq and Afghanistan and then got the oil. The war wasn't about fucking oil, it was because Iraq were refusing to let the UN weapon inspectors in to clear out there WMD's. Afghanistan was about removing a state which funded Terrorism and repressed the populace.

To both of you, if your going to make up claims at least have a credible source

[tovaris]

The CIA funded the Taliban because they were opposed to the Russians, back the it was called the Mujaheddin and it was a much loser coaliton of forces, the nit developed into the Taliban in the late 90's. Afganistan doesn't have much oil at all, and as per usual you lack a source to claim that we got it for free



Lool okay, we built a massive pipe that connected to Iraq and Afghanistan and then got the oil. The war wasn't about fucking oil, it was because Iraq were refusing to let the UN weapon inspectors in to clear out there WMD's. Afghanistan was about removing a state which funded Terrorism and repressed the populace.

To both of you, if your going to make up claims at least have a credible source

So you claim that founding extremist grups is bas aqnd jet you suport the CIAs founding of them?

[Harry Smith]

So you claim that founding extremist grups is bas aqnd jet you suport the CIAs founding of them?

To understand the situation, you have to understand the nature of the cold war. The Americans would give a gun to anyone who was anti-communist, hence why they let Gaddafi stay in power. In hindsight many of these policies were bad but of coure you have to survive the present to experience the future.

Back then the Mujaheddin were simply afghans who wanted to get rid of the russians, they weren't extremists. They had never committed an act of terrorism, they largely kept up with the 1929 Geneva convention.

[tovaris]

To understand the situation, you have to understand the nature of the cold war. The Americans would give a gun to anyone who was anti-communist, hence why they let Gaddafi stay in power. In hindsight many of these policies were bad but of coure you have to survive the present to experience the future.

Back then the Mujaheddin were simply afghans who wanted to get rid of the russians, they weren't extremists. They had never committed an act of terrorism, they largely kept up with the 1929 Geneva convention.

Su again suporting a nondemocratic extremist grup that workes againced a democraticly elected goverment is good?
the americans give guns to any dictaror or terorist grup they like and now people are suposed to trust themto gofrew their internet trafic? I don't think so. what about is someone is downloading pirate moovies are they going to disconect me or something.?

[Harry Smith]

Su again suporting a nondemocratic extremist grup that workes againced a democraticly elected goverment is good?
the americans give guns to any dictaror or terorist grup they like and now people are suposed to trust themto gofrew their internet trafic? I don't think so. what about is someone is downloading pirate moovies are they going to disconect me or something.?

1) The DRA wasn't elected, it was a soviet puppet state. The in '79 the soviets killed there prime minister and occupied the country. The Mujadeen weren't trying to overthrow a democratic government.

2) They weren't extremists back then at all, they didn't oppose the west back then. They simply wanted to get rid of the russians.

3) No, you could be downloading child porn and the CIA wouldn't give a shit. It's only if your visiting a terrorist linked websites and sending emails to to terror suspects. Then they will simply watch your history and see if your up to anything dodgy

[tovaris]

1) The DRA wasn't elected, it was a soviet puppet state. The in '79 the soviets killed there prime minister and occupied the country. The Mujadeen weren't trying to overthrow a democratic government.

2) They weren't extremists back then at all, they didn't oppose the west back then. They simply wanted to get rid of the russians.

3) No, you could be downloading child porn and the CIA wouldn't give a shit. It's only if your visiting a terrorist linked websites and sending emails to to terror suspects. Then they will simply watch your history and see if your up to anything dodgy

They have no right to do something like that.

this is getting a bit of topic, start new thread or stop debating CIAs and other terorist organisations crimes.
The Spoviets were invited by the democratic goverment.

[Harry Smith]

They have no right to do something like that.

this is getting a bit of topic, start new thread or stop debating CIAs and other terorist organisations crimes.
The Spoviets were invited by the democratic goverment.

cough backseat mod cough

[tovaris]

cough backseat mod cough

what?

[Harry Smith]

what?

Your back seat modding, where members who aren't mods try and act like one by trying to tell members what to do with posts and how to act on the forum. It's something which tends to annoy me slightly.

The bottom line is that not matter what the CIA/MI6 are going to access your computer if they want to, so unless your intending on committing terror attacks they won't hassle you. They don't care about what you get up to as long as it doesn't effect national security

[tovaris]

Your back seat modding, where members who aren't mods try and act like one by trying to tell members what to do with posts and how to act on the forum. It's something which tends to annoy me slightly.

The bottom line is that not matter what the CIA/MI6 are going to access your computer if they want to, so unless your intending on committing terror attacks they won't hassle you. They don't care about what you get up to as long as it doesn't effect national security

They, being terorist themselves, have no buisnis knowing what I am up to. Such activety would be againce the law.
I seams that atlantic air is not good for health because you fail to see their evil elegal ways. They will not acses my data flows i i, or the cort don't alowe them to do so.

[Harry Smith]

They, being terorist themselves, have no buisnis knowing what I am up to. Such activety would be againce the law.
I seams that atlantic air is not good for health because you fail to see their evil elegal ways. They will not acses my data flows i i, or the cort don't alowe them to do so.

Rhetoric? Also you have a couple of spelling mistake

The united states government isn't defined as a terrorist organisation by any state, so your 100% wrong in saying that.

Please tell me what law the CIA have broken?

[tovaris]

Rhetoric? Also you have a couple of spelling mistake

The united states government isn't defined as a terrorist organisation by any state, so your 100% wrong in saying that.

Please tell me what law the CIA have broken?

IRA didn't define themselves as terorists.
I'll pick just one. Arming paramilitary organisations (that is international law they have broken). They also tried to kill sheep by staring at them.

[mickeymouse19]

The secret police of my country in the past, StB, did not define themselves as terrorists either, neither they were defined so by any other nation. KGB was never defined as a "terrorist organization" either, or the numerous South American death squads. Wake up folks, the biggest source of terror was always the state as opposed to some poor brown people. CIA coups have killed hundred of times more people than Bin Laden, their actions just in Guatemala killed 300 000 people. The Stalinist NKVD killed over a million people and I'm not even mentioning the overblown mainstream numbers. I am not saying Bin Laden or such terrorists are in any way good, but states/nations have murdered 150 million people in the 20th century alone. The worst terrorism is always done by nation-states or empires, not ragtag paramilitary groups.

[Harry Smith]

IRA didn't define themselves as terorists.
I'll pick just one. Arming paramilitary organisations (that is international law they have broken). They also tried to kill sheep by staring at them.

1)The IRA was actually never behind the troubles, so yes the IRA weren't terrorists. It was splinter groups such as the PIRA and the 'real' ira who did most of the damage.

2) Please tell me what international law they broke?

[mickeymouse19]

Financing coups and fascist "resistance groups" in Latin America, for starters.

[tovaris]

1)The IRA was actually never behind the troubles, so yes the IRA weren't terrorists. It was splinter groups such as the PIRA and the 'real' ira who did most of the damage.

2) Please tell me what international law they broke?

Hm I don't know... Crimes along the lines, like... Supliing paramilitary grups, starihg at goats that had their pancreas removed (not elegal sut creapy and stupid), causing coups to owerthrow democratic goverments, suporting and giving shelter to fashists, executing people.

Plus
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Financing coups and fascist "resistance groups" in Latin America, for starters.

[britishboy]

Because it's just not possible for a government agency to twist the evidence to their liking and arrest you for whatever they want, whenever they want, and however they want. You're so fucking gullible it's not even funny. Your entire argument is "Trust them; if you have nothing to hide, you're fine." No. You shouldn't trust ANY government agency, no matter how good of a job they seem to be doing.

yes because the government is coming to kill us:/ and no ones ever had any proof and i dont know how things work in the USA but in the UK you must be found guilty in a court of law

[Sugaree]

yes because the government is coming to kill us:/ and no ones ever had any proof and i dont know how things work in the USA but in the UK you must be found guilty in a court of law

It's not that the government is out to kill people. I never said that. I said that you shouldn't put your full trust in the government taking records of your phone calls and internet usage simply because you have nothing to hide. It's a major invasion of my privacy to know that all the phone calls I've made in the last 10 years have been recorded for a completely bogus reason.

And here in the United States, the government needs to secure a search warrant to gather information from phone companies and internet providers. What the government did was force itself past this barrier. They broke the law and got away with it for 10 years. It's wrong, it's disgusting, and it furthers the gap between the people and their government.

[britishboy]

It's not that the government is out to kill people. I never said that. I said that you shouldn't put your full trust in the government taking records of your phone calls and internet usage simply because you have nothing to hide. It's a major invasion of my privacy to know that all the phone calls I've made in the last 10 years have been recorded for a completely bogus reason.

And here in the United States, the government needs to secure a search warrant to gather information from phone companies and internet providers. What the government did was force itself past this barrier. They broke the law and got away with it for 10 years. It's wrong, it's disgusting, and it furthers the gap between the people and their government.

if they have broken the law its very bad but as I said I dont really mind

[Sugaree]

if they have broken the law its very bad but as I said I dont really mind

So the government breaks the laws it makes and gets away with it, yet if I were to break a law, you would want me prosecuted to the fullest extent. Yeah, good logic.

[britishboy]

So the government breaks the laws it makes and gets away with it, yet if I were to break a law, you would want me prosecuted to the fullest extent. Yeah, good logic.

I agree with you... if they broken the law they should be arrested

[Sugaree]

I agree with you... if they broken the law they should be arrested

Then why shouldn't we force the government agencies who broke the law to be disbanded? You can't have a double standard.

[Stronk Serb]

Then why shouldn't we force the government agencies who broke the law to be disbanded? You can't have a double standard.


It's hard to accomplish in the US, since the CIA has been serving the interests of your gpvernment for a long time an broke laws. But I agree, why would they be able to access my private files and get away with it, while I won't? Stop them from invading privacy.

[tovaris]

Then why shouldn't we force the government agencies who broke the law to be disbanded? You can't have a double standard.

We should take down these goverments and the sistem they represent. And from the ruins of the old society build a new just sistel of all.

[britishboy]

We should take down these goverments and the sistem they represent. And from the ruins of the old society build a new just sistel of all.

im sure 99% of Americans will be against that, its a massive over reaction, those responsible must be brought to justice, thats it.

[tovaris]

im sure 99% of Americans will be against that, its a massive over reaction, those responsible must be brought to justice, thats it.

Than new criminals will come but no real change.

[britishboy]

Than new criminals will come but no real change.

there will always be criminals, in any system

[tovaris]

there will always be criminals, in any system

Not in communism.
Besides only the nation(s) can change the sistem and inprison the criminals.

[britishboy]

Not in communism.
Besides only the nation(s) can change the sistem and inprison the criminals.

we dont want to change the system and criminals are imprisoned

[Sugaree]

Not in communism.
Besides only the nation(s) can change the sistem and inprison the criminals.

Oh quit your blathering on about communism. You suck that dick more than Lenin and Stalin did combined.

we dont want to change the system and criminals are imprisoned

Obviously you've never looked at the oil companies and lobby groups, have you?

[tovaris]

we dont want to change the system and criminals are imprisoned

Criminals rearly go to prison (for example: Bavčar, Janša, Zidar)

[britishboy]

Criminals rearly go to prison (for example: Bavčar, Janša, Zidar)

I dont know them? and I dont think they British/EU/American? obviously bad countries have problems with the justice system, and how will communism fix this?

[tovaris]

I dont know them? and I dont think they British/EU/American? obviously bad countries have problems with the justice system, and how will communism fix this?

EU for that mather.

[britishboy]

EU for that mather.

how will communism fix britians justice system, which by the way is one of the best in the world?

[Sogeking]

Whether or not you have something to hide is besides the point. The fact of the matter is you have an entity spying on its citizens on the basis that anyone of us could be a terrorist, without any evidence, and without any formal consent (i.e. warrant). Privacy is a right every human being has and it shouldn't infringed upon regardless of whether you're a criminal or not. We all have a right to due process, and it should be blatently obvious why so.

Let me show you guys a little poem:
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
See where I'm getting at?

If the US ever gets close to the type of surveillance described in 1984, we're all fucked. Which is why we all must protect our own rights so as not to get stomped on.

[britishboy]

Whether or not you have something to hide is besides the point. The fact of the matter is you have an entity spying on its citizens on the basis that anyone of us could be a terrorist, without any evidence, and without any formal consent (i.e. warrant). Privacy is a right every human being has and it shouldn't infringed upon regardless of whether you're a criminal or not. We all have a right to due process, and it should be blatently obvious why so.

Let me show you guys a little poem:

See where I'm getting at?

If the US ever gets close to the type of surveillance described in 1984, we're all fucked. Which is why we all must protect our own rights so as not to get stomped on.

thats actually just changed my opinion on this

[Stronk Serb]

Whether or not you have something to hide is besides the point. The fact of the matter is you have an entity spying on its citizens on the basis that anyone of us could be a terrorist, without any evidence, and without any formal consent (i.e. warrant). Privacy is a right every human being has and it shouldn't infringed upon regardless of whether you're a criminal or not. We all have a right to due process, and it should be blatently obvious why so.

Let me show you guys a little poem:

See where I'm getting at?

If the US ever gets close to the type of surveillance described in 1984, we're all fucked. Which is why we all must protect our own rights so as not to get stomped on.

That is right ofr the US since almost all communists and probably socialists (not sure) were imprisoned during the Cold War, even though there were laws allowing them to be communists and socialists. It took me several times of reading to realise that.

thats actually just changed my opinion on this

And what is your opinion now?

[Trace]

If they went through my computer the only thing they'd find would be a browser historu full of porn and my YouTube subscription list that's full of Joey Graceffa, Matthew Lush, Tyler Oakley, and tons of other gay YouTubers. I say go for it.

[britishboy]

And what is your opinion now?
I'm against it

[Sasha M]

On the internet, no one knows your a dog. I'm not being a troll, that says alot about this. Sort of.

[The-Chosen-Hero]

I am strongly against. For one they had the audacity to go ahead and do this against our constitutional rights without the consent of the people. This is not a Monarch it is a Democracy! What I do is none of their concern and should not be kept on file. Nope no way I am giving my essential liberty to have temporary safety. I am sorry but I rather much prefer the tumult of liberty then peaceful servitude.

[STEALTHy]

I think the surveillance tracking and what not is kinda interesting. For example if someone was to commit murder, with you then being a suspect at this pont. A forensic psychologist could look at all your text, Emails, etc. To see if your capable of murdering the victim that was murdered. It's really kind of interesting I think, but the terrorist who are on the internet are under constant watch. The real dangerous higher up officials though in terrorist organizations are more trade craft.

[Walter Powers]

I think the NSA chief said something interesting the other day.

"I'd rather be in front of this congressional committee explaining what we're doing to stop another 9/11 from happening then trying to explain how we let another 9/11 happen"

He also said this data monitoring would have stopped 9/11.

[tovaris]

I think the NSA chief said something interesting the other day.

"I'd rather be in front of this congressional committee explaining what we're doing to stop another 9/11 from happening then trying to explain how we let another 9/11 happen"

He also said this data monitoring would have stopped 9/11.

aha, and since disrespecting human righs is so good for everione whos rights are disrespected lets continue doing it as long as we can.

[KimuraWannabe116]

I do not particually like the goverment knowing people's personal info and details.

[Walter Powers]

I do not particually like the goverment knowing people's personal info and details.

That's a fair argument, but do you like being attacked by terrorists? My dad lost a friend in the Pentagon in 9/11, and I was talking about this with him: he thinks the program is needed.

I think this program is needed but with a lot more oversight then we have now.

[TheBigUnit]

It has recently emerged that both the American and British intelligence services have been hacking into major servers of companies like Google and Facebook in order to access people's personal details.It's claimed that this is needed in order to monitor terrorists but do you think it's right that the CIA and MI6 would be able to search through your computer?
Oh this is too late the intelligence agencies have been doing this for years! Unfortunately we have no privacy anymore nowadays it doesnt even have to be the gov it could be anyone given the right expertise and materials to search all about us, whatever we do whoever we call is tracked that being said the main goal as far as we know is to catch terrorists which is pretty successful so far,

As for edward snowden I believe he should guilty of all his charges and is not innocent whatsoever

[tovaris]

That's a fair argument, but do you like being attacked by terrorists? My dad lost a friend in the Pentagon in 9/11, and I was talking about this with him: he thinks the program is needed.

I think this program is needed but with a lot more oversight then we have now.

"war on teror" is a domestic USA invention, that gives no right to goverment to break human rights

[Walter Powers]

"war on teror" is a domestic USA invention, that gives no right to goverment to break human rights

Stop lecturing me on human rights. You don't have any idea how hypocritical you sound right now. A communist who actually cares about the people? Bah!

[TheBigUnit]

Stop lecturing me on human rights. You don't have any idea how hypocritical you sound right now. A communist who actually cares about the peopl? Bah!

I concur to tell you the truth

[tovaris]

Stop lecturing me on human rights. You don't have any idea how hypocritical you sound right now. A communist who actually cares about the peopl? Bah!

If you want to debate communism plese do it with some solid arguments, and preferably in the right thread. And just so you know communism is all about the people thats how the ideologie is structured.

So you suport the disrespecting of human rights?

[Harry Smith]

If you want to debate communism plese do it with some solid arguments, and preferably in the right thread. And just so you know communism is all about the people thats how the ideologie is structured.

So you suport the disrespecting of human rights?

Don't backseat mod, it's not your job

Please tell me what Human right it is breaching?

[tovaris]

Don't backseat mod, it's not your job

Please tell me what Human right it is breaching?

Comunication rights, privacy rights privyte comumications, private data on hard drives, private masages in emails, taping phone conversations...

[Harry Smith]

Comunication rights, privacy rights privyte comumications, private data on hard drives, private masages in emails, taping phone conversations...

that's not a human right, the charter doesn't mention hard drives or private messages, you have to actually state it in order to even have a claim.

You can't just say oh that's against my rights

[Brazilianboy]

I just do not care. Seriously.

I have not to hide, and if I had, I would do outside of the Internet.


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[tovaris]

that's not a human right, the charter doesn't mention hard drives or private messages, you have to actually state it in order to even have a claim.

You can't just say oh that's against my rights

Fundamental Rights of the EU:
Article:
1
7
8
18
11
21
41
...
And other documents produced by organisations like UN...

[Harry Smith]

Fundamental Rights of the EU:
Article:
1
7
8
18
11
21
41
...
And other documents produced by organisations like UN...

America aren't legally bound by the EU, that has no relevance

[tovaris]

America aren't legally bound by the EU, that has no relevance

Anithing don it EUs teritory is. And UK is also bound by these laws, oh yes everione knows they have been working together and shering info.

[Harry Smith]

Anithing don it EUs teritory is. And UK is also bound by these laws, oh yes everione knows they have been working together and shering info.

No that's not how a treaty works.

If the US haven't signed it then it doesn't affect them, you can't prosecute American for breaking something they didn't agree.

And please tell me what human right Britain has broken, I want the actual clause and reason

[tovaris]

No that's not how a treaty works.

If the US haven't signed it then it doesn't affect them, you can't prosecute American for breaking something they didn't agree.

And please tell me what human right Britain has broken, I want the actual clause and reason

internet survailence, wire tapping, breaking into peoples cellphones

General declerytion of human rights, UN:
Article:
12
18
19
30
...

[tovaris]

No that's not how a treaty works.

If the US haven't signed it then it doesn't affect them, you can't prosecute American for breaking something they didn't agree.

And please tell me what human right Britain has broken, I want the actual clause and reason

internet survailence, wire tapping, breaking into peoples cellphones

[Harry Smith]

internet survailence, wire tapping, breaking into peoples cellphones

General declerytion of human rights, UN:
Article:
12
18
19
30
...

12 mentions arbitrary attacks, the British government only stored information on specific cases and people, there was no randomness to the storage of the data.

18 responds to religion, this isn't related to surveillance

19 refers to access to information and the right to express it, the US and British government haven't arrested anyone for stating there views.

30 is voided by the above 3

[TheBigUnit]

internet survailence, wire tapping, breaking into peoples cellphones

Please dont act like this doesnt happen in slovenia it happens everywhere not just usa or the eu

[Walter Powers]

If you want to debate communism plese do it with some solid arguments, and preferably in the right thread. And just so you know communism is all about the people thats how the ideologie is structured.

So you suport the disrespecting of human rights?

I support spying, when needed, with lots of oversight and when the goal is to stop mass murder and terrorism.

[tovaris]

Please dont act like this doesnt happen in slovenia it happens everywhere not just usa or the eu

Afcors it doesn't, at lest not by the goverment controled institutions

I support spying, when needed, with lots of oversight and when the goal is to stop mass murder and terrorism.

Spies when caught are to be shot.

[Harry Smith]

Afcors it doesn't, at lest not by the goverment controled institutions

how do you know that?

[tovaris]

how do you know that?

No interest and no money.

[TheBigUnit]

No interest and no money.

its not Expensive at all do you realize anyone can do this just call your isp or use certain software

[Walter Powers]

Afcors it doesn't, at lest not by the goverment controled institutions



Spies when caught are to be shot.

But they are preventing another 9/11 from happening! I know your not America , but the horrific event can't be allowed to happen again. We're still rebuilding the World Trade Center!

[britishboy]

what?

you was trying to enforce the rules, he hates that lol its one of hes pet hates

[britishboy]

But they are preventing another 9/11 from happening! I know your not America , but the horrific event can't be allowed to happen again. We're still rebuilding the World Trade Center!

I just hate the way Obama reassures americans hes not spying on them only that hes spying on everyone eles, so hes pissed off the majority if the world abd givern no reason, I would be surprised if he had 1 brain cell in his head!

[Walter Powers]

I just hate the way Obama reassures americans hes not spying on them only that hes spying on everyone eles, so hes pissed off the majority if the world abd givern no reason, I would be surprised if he had 1 brain cell in his head!

I certainly don't think he should be denying it, true.he needs to defend this program. I think he sees it as a political liability, from his friends on the left and in the media, that's why he's only talked to the press like onece about it since the leak happened.

And yes, he has ticked off most of the world, and yes, he probably doesn't have much of a brain. He's just another self serving liberal.

[britishboy]

I certainly don't think he should be denying it, true.he needs to defend this program. I think he sees it as a political liability, from his friends on the left and in the media, that's why he's only talked to the press like onece about it since the leak happened.

And yes, he has ticked off most of the world, and yes, he probably doesn't have much of a brain. He's just another self serving liberal.

agreed, keeping it secret only fuels the anger

[tovaris]

its not Expensive at all do you realize anyone can do this just call your isp or use certain software

Yes my neighboor could do it but the govermants usuali only interested in personal gain have no reson to do so, and by doing so they wouldbalso break a lpng list of laws (and we know how that efectes the score on the next election)

[tovaris]

But they are preventing another 9/11 from happening! I know your not America , but the horrific event can't be allowed to happen again. We're still rebuilding the World Trade Center!

We dont have terorists. Come to Ljubljana you will see everione walkes around lesery goverment and state institutions with minimum protection and then you see the usa embesy with the high fences, guards, concret stubes... obvious conclusions can be drawn.

[Walter Powers]

We dont have terorists. Come to Ljubljana you will see everione walkes around lesery goverment and state institutions with minimum protection and then you see the usa embesy with the high fences, guards, concret stubes... obvious conclusions can be drawn.

You aren't world superpower and the leader of the free world are you? That's why you don't have a terrorist problem. What are you even saying...that we don't need to worry about terrorism?

[tovaris]

You aren't world superpower and the leader of the free world are you? That's why you don't have a terrorist problem. What are you even saying...that we don't need to worry about terrorism?

Dont make terorists and other animies in the first place.

Free world? Kosovo is mor free than that thing, and that is saing a lot.

[Walter Powers]

Dont make terorists and other animies in the first place.

Free world? Kosovo is mor free than that thing, and that is saing a lot.

"Don't make terrorists?" What the hell is that supposed to mean? We don't make terrorists...they are almost all Muslim Fundamemtalists from the Middle East!

There will always be evil in the world. It's just a matter of controlling and cracking down on it. We most certainly didn't make Al Qaeda our enemy, they made themselves our enemy when they decided to violently oppose all countries that support womens rights, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion!

[tovaris]

"Don't make terrorists?" What the hell is that supposed to mean? We don't make terrorists...they are almost all Muslim Fundamemtalists from the Middle East!

There will always be evil in the world. It's just a matter of controlling and cracking down on it. We most certainly didn't make Al Qaeda our enemy, they made themselves our enemy when they decided to violently oppose all countries that support womens rights, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion!

Eee Don't atack them fkr no reson...
Most of those who violently oppse the usa opose them in such a way because they are/were on their home ground causing damage.
And CIA was envolved in funding and training of the Taliban.

[Walter Powers]

Eee Don't atack them fkr no reson...
Most of those who violently oppse the usa opose them in such a way because they are/were on their home ground causing damage.
And CIA was envolved in funding and training of the Taliban.

What, do you like the Taliban more then America?

[tovaris]

What, do you like the Taliban more then America?

Why would i like the taliban or the usa?

[Walter Powers]

Why would i like the taliban or the usa?

I asked which is the lesser of the two "evils"?

[tovaris]

I asked which is the lesser of the two "evils"?

Whel since the taliban were created by tbe usa they probabla have tha same amount of evil.

[Walter Powers]

Whel since the taliban were created by tbe usa they probabla have tha same amount of evil.

The Taliban was created by America? Give me a break.

[tovaris]

The Taliban was created by America? Give me a break.

History is clear.

[britishboy]

History is clear.

ow god.... your confused theorys is what isnt clear, why create something that wants to kill you?

[tovaris]

ow god.... your confused theorys is what isnt clear, why create something that wants to kill you?

To kil the soviets. Wery simple only then did they turn toward the usa

[britishboy]

To kil the soviets. Wery simple only then did they turn toward the usa

what? im talking about you saying the usa created the taliban... hows that got anything to do with soviets

[tovaris]

what? im talking about you saying the usa created the taliban... hows that got anything to do with soviets
They didnt create them from scratch they took an existing small operatiom and blew it up.

Everething.

[Stronk Serb]

ow god.... your confused theorys is what isnt clear, why create something that wants to kill you?

The Taliban were going with flintlock rifles against the Soviets, the US gave them at that time modern weapons. Wonder how they got those Stinger launchers? The US government gave those to the Taliban, and simce they had a lot in storage, the Taliban cashed most of it out on the black market. The US armed a future menace.

[britishboy]

They didnt create them from scratch they took an existing small operatiom and blew it up.

Everething.

I know your a wanna be soviet and admire Stalin but no, not everything is related to them

[tovaris]

I know your a wanna be soviet and admire Stalin but no, not everything is related to them

I dislike Stalin from my wery core.

The Taliban were going with flintlock rifles against the Soviets, the US gave them at that time modern weapons. Wonder how they got those Stinger launchers? The US government gave those to the Taliban, and simce they had a lot in storage, the Taliban cashed most of it out on the black market. The US armed a future menace.

[britishboy]

I dislike Stalin from my wery core.

well you are obsessed with the soviets and to be honest, stalin is the best thing to come out of russia/ussr

[tovaris]

well you are obsessed with the soviets and to be honest, stalin is the best thing to come out of russia/ussr

I fail to see the jump betveen the taliban and Stalin.

[Stronk Serb]

I know your a wanna be soviet and admire Stalin but no, not everything is related to them

Lolwut? Who the fuck said I'm into Stalinism? Yeah you, right? Since you're a troll, and in some previous posts you said you admire Stalin. Why does a capitalist admire someone like Stalin? The Man of Steel who makes the Kim-Jong family look as a bunch of cuddly puppies? Who would throw you in Siberia just because you were there?

I as any sane communist am against any totalitarian version of communism. I am most certain that maticek shares my opinion also.

[tovaris]

Lolwut? Who the fuck said I'm into Stalinism? Yeah you, right? Since you're a troll, and in some previous posts you said you admire Stalin. Why does a capitalist admire someone like Stalin? The Man of Steel who makes the Kim-Jong family look as a bunch of cuddly puppies? Who would throw you in Siberia just because you were there?

I as any sane communist am against any totalitarian version of communism. I am most certain that maticek shares my opinion also.

Communism cant even exisst in a totalitarium form since it fights againce it, when in doubt sing the Interational :)

[britishboy]

Lolwut? Who the fuck said I'm into Stalinism? Yeah you, right? Since you're a troll, and in some previous posts you said you admire Stalin. Why does a capitalist admire someone like Stalin? The Man of Steel who makes the Kim-Jong family look as a bunch of cuddly puppies? Who would throw you in Siberia just because you were there?

I as any sane communist am against any totalitarian version of communism. I am most certain that maticek shares my opinion also.

hes the best thing to come out of the ussr and matric is the one who loves the fallen ussr, you just support anything thats against the west and sane communist? theres no such thing, people use communist as an insult its that bad

[Stronk Serb]

hes the best thing to come out of the ussr and matric is the one who loves the fallen ussr, you just support anything thats against the west and sane communist? theres no such thing, people use communist as an insult its that bad

Dafuq are you talking about? You are again making gross generalizations. I love being called a communist, commie, red etc. I find it amusing that people try to insult me by saying who I really am.

[britishboy]

Dafuq are you talking about? You are again making gross generalizations. I love being called a communist, commie, red etc. I find it amusing that people try to insult me by saying who I really am.

do you not think that because people insult people with the term communist, being a communist may be bad? we generally dont care to much about politics but most im the world HATE communism

[drew6]

do you not think that because people insult people with the term communist, being a communist may be bad? we generally dont care to much about politics but most im the world HATE communism

I don't believe in isms, I just believe in me, a good point there and after all he was the Walrus - Ferris Bueller.

just saw that line and figured you could use it haha

[TheBigUnit]

Kosovo is mor free than that thing, and that is saing a lot.
Yes it is saying a lot
what? im talking about you saying the usa created the taliban... hows that got anything to do with soviets

Soviet afghan war, usa didnt really make the taliban they supported them like how the soviets supported north vietnam in the vietnam war.....that being said you obviously look at your nation with a rosy perspective, slovenia is one of the major zones for the black market you really cant say its safe

[tovaris]

Yes it is saying a lot


Soviet afghan war, usa didnt really make the taliban they supported them like how the soviets supported north vietnam in the vietnam war.....that being said you obviously look at your nation with a rosy perspective, slovenia is one of the major zones for the black market you really cant say its safe

Black market? Of what sheep?
That wasn't posted by britishboy.
And i certanaly don't look at this country vith a rosy perspective right the oposite.

[Stronk Serb]

do you not think that because people insult people with the term communist, being a communist may be bad? we generally dont care to much about politics but most im the world HATE communism


It is because of ignorance and Cold War propaganda. The same thing was happening in the Soviet Union. Both sides were mocking each other's regimes.

[britishboy]

It is because of ignorance and Cold War propaganda. The same thing was happening in the Soviet Union. Both sides were mocking each other's regimes.

I admit most of peoples hate is based on false information, looking at the terror and how fast communism falls or becomes evil, however its when people study it closely they actually fear it

[Stronk Serb]

I admit most of peoples hate is based on false information, looking at the terror and how fast communism falls or becomes evil, however its when people study it closely they actually fear it


I do not fear communism. I will not get lashed to a wall and executed because I will not be able to swing my pickaxe in the coal mines since my arms are broken. That's what would your Uncle Stalin do to me if I excsersized freedom of speech and movement. Communism =/= Stalinism.

[britishboy]

I do not fear communism. I will not get lashed to a wall and executed because I will not be able to swing my pickaxe in the coal mines since my arms are broken. That's what would your Uncle Stalin do to me if I excsersized freedom of speech and movement. Communism =/= Stalinism.

true true but when you look at the economics of it, society will come to a stand still

[Stronk Serb]

true true but when you look at the economics of it, society will come to a stand still


Yes since there will be no economy.

[TheBassoonist]

I'm jumping in the middle of the communist-capitalist argument that seems to come up in every thread in RotW to actually give my opinion on the topic this thread is about.

From what I understand about PRISM and common sense, the data that the NSA and other involved government agencies are looking through is just going through a filter, which looks for certain things that could indicate a possible threat. Someone buying an unnecessary amount of fertilizer, perhaps, or being in contact with known terrorist organizations. The NSA doesn't have a room full of people sitting in front of computer screens looking at the internet and phone usage of 300 million people all day, every day. The manpower simply doesn't exist.

Is PRISM an invasion of privacy? Depends. Is it necessary? Depends on how successful it is/was. Because we don't know what would have happened if PRISM wasn't started, we can't say what would have happened.

[britishboy]

Yes since there will be no economy.

the economy is physicaly impossible to get rid of, getting rid of money is possible (however will never happen) however economies will always exist

[Walter Powers]

Yes since there will be no economy.

Your right about that. The country will be so poor they won't have a GDP!

[Stronk Serb]

the economy is physicaly impossible to get rid of, getting rid of money is possible (however will never happen) however economies will always exist

Your right about that. The country will be so poor they won't have a GDP!

If executed correctly, it won't. It takes generations to execute it like that.

[Walter Powers]

If executed correctly, it won't. It takes generations to execute it like that.

And nobody's willing to wait that long. So how about you start looking for practical solutions to the world's problems and stop pushing for radical change!

[Silicate Wielder]

you know that "orginization" called Anonymous? all their comunications are done on their own private website and IRC sever.

While yes I do support Anonymous to an extent on some things, they don't exactly communicate over sites like Facebook other than to announce plans to the world. It's mostly all on their own site, and even then it's mandatory to use a proxy; On and off the site.

The government should realize that terrorists won't be communicating over the public internet, if their really doing this to track terrorist, which I have the feeling they aren't.