Zoophilia?

[Pinkamena]

Nobody on this site seems to openly opposed to it, I've noted from my previous posts in which I mentioned it, but I'd like to see how you all actually feel about it.
I am a zoosexual, just for your information.

[Jevon]

What is that???

[WickedWeekend]

I've never seen you around, so I wouldn't have been able to give you my opinion on zoophilia. To be honest, I'm really against it. You don't know if the animals like it, and I'm pretty sure it's illegal in most places. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Have you ever acted on it?

[Pinkamena]

What is that???

Attraction to animals.
In my case, it is horses.

I've never seen you around, so I wouldn't have been able to give you my opinion on zoophilia. To be honest, I'm really against it. You don't know if the animals like it, and I'm pretty sure it's illegal in most places. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Have you ever acted on it?

It's legal in some states in the US.
I know it is legal in Denmark and Belgium as well.
However, no, I have not acted on it. It's illegal in my state.

And I've studied up on Equine anatomy, sexual patterns, and their mentality enough to know when they would enjoy sexual intercourse with humans.
I don't think that people should have sex with animals who are too small for a human, or when it could endanger the animal.

[Jevon]

Ummm ohhhh ok that's a little creepy....but whatever floats your boat I guess

[Caldwell]

It's a fetish.

[WickedWeekend]

Personally, I think it isn't right. But, that's my opinion. It isn't my place to say anything further, so I'll hold my tongue.

[Pinkamena]

Ummm ohhhh ok that's a little creepy....but whatever floats your boat I guess

I'm a pretty weird person.


Personally, I think it isn't right. But, that's my opinion. It isn't my place to say anything further, so I'll hold my tongue.

I'd love for you to elaborate. I'll try to avoid being argumentative and defensive, ahaha.

[Caldwell]

Dude, it's an animal. It doesn't need or want to have sex with you. Trying to exploit its physiology to get it to 'enjoy' it is immoral and cruel. If anybody ever found out about this it would destroy your life forever.

Regardless, it's nothing more than an extreme fetish, which you seem to carry resentment to act upon. You should seek psychiatric treatment for this.

[likemike]

Horses were made for horses. There is an infamous video of a guy and a horse and the guy later Died because of it, its not safe. The horse doesnt know you arent another horse it isnt fair to the horse

[Pinkamena]

Horses were made for horses. There is an infamous video of a guy and a horse and the guy later Died because of it, its not safe. The horse doesnt know you arent another horse it isnt fair to the horse

Yes, I've seen that. Trying to do THAT is very deadly, yes.
Not something I would be interested in.

[WickedWeekend]

I'm basically going to second what these guys are saying. If anyone found out about this, you would have no reputation. It is animal cruelty, and I don't care if you studied them. It's illegal. Even if you haven't acted on it, I'd get professional treatment soon.

[likemike]

Yes, I've seen that. Trying to do THAT is very deadly, yes.
Not something I would be interested in.

Not trying to be mean but is there a reason the horse in your profile pic looks like skrillex

[Pinkamena]

I'm basically going to second what these guys are saying. If anyone found out about this, you would have no reputation. It is animal cruelty, and I don't care if you studied them. It's illegal. Even if you haven't acted on it, I'd get professional treatment soon.

I'm incapable of getting treatment.
And I don't tell anyone about this in my day-to-day life.

[RyanJF1]

Zoosexual... that's an orientation?

It's more of a fetish, not orientation.

[Pinkamena]

Zoosexual... that's an orientation?

It's more of a fetish, not orientation.

I can't really think of a different word for it. Zoophiliac might be more appropriate, however, I don't think it's actually a word.
Otherwise, I am bi.

[kenoloor]

The only reason I think this isn't healthy is because it isn't consentual. Citing legality as a reason that something is "bad" is a shitty argument. Up until recently, anal sex between two males was illegal in many states. But that's besides the point. The horse (or whatever non-human strikes your fancy) has no way of consenting, and for that reason (and that reason alone), I do not think this is healthy.

[Horatio Nelson]

I'm basically going to second what these guys are saying. If anyone found out about this, you would have no reputation. It is animal cruelty, and I don't care if you studied them. It's illegal. Even if you haven't acted on it, I'd get professional treatment soon.

This.

[steellord321]

Dude, it's an animal. It doesn't need or want to have sex with you. Trying to exploit its physiology to get it to 'enjoy' it is immoral and cruel. If anybody ever found out about this it would destroy your life forever.

Regardless, it's nothing more than an extreme fetish, which you seem to carry resentment to act upon. You should seek psychiatric treatment for this.

Agree with this. You are downplaying the consent aspect in the same way pedophiles say the kid enjoys it. Your trying to seek approval before going thru with it, but the fact that you can't get treatment does not mean you should do it. Even forgetting the horse and if it were legal, if you get caught, your social life is over.

[Trace]

dude, it's an animal. It doesn't need or want to have sex with you. Trying to exploit its physiology to get it to 'enjoy' it is immoral and cruel. If anybody ever found out about this it would destroy your life forever.

^ .

Psychiatric help seems a bit unnecessary though.

[Mob Boss]

I don't think people need to be telling him to seek psychiatric help; that's uncalled for. Well, I can't sit here and say you shouldn't do that. I, will, however say I don't really agree with it. Not because I think it's odd or anything like that, but simply because the animal can not consent. No amount of the brain patterns you look up are you going to know for sure an animal wants to have sex with you. It could be considered animal cruelty, in my opinion. I know that isn't your intentions, but you won't know if you're hurting them...or anything, as they can't communicate.

[Pinkamena]

I want you all to know that I would never injure an animal.
Everyone seems to automatically think I would just go randomly have intercourse with a horse, without any proper knowledge on it and with the intent to harm the animal. It's a little disheartening.

[WickedWeekend]

We are fully aware that you don't intend to hurt the animal, but that's the thing. It still is animal cruelty and can get you in big trouble if anyone found out.

[Mob Boss]

It could be considered animal cruelty, in my opinion. I know that isn't your intentions, but you won't know if you're hurting them...or anything, as they can't communicate.

I know harming an animal isn't your intentions at all. It also sounds like you've done quite your research on the matter, but I still don't think you'll ever know 100% that the animal is consenting. And because of that, and only that, do I have anything against it.

[Pinkamena]

I know harming an animal isn't your intentions at all. It also sounds like you've done quite your research on the matter, but I still don't think you'll ever know 100% that the animal is consenting. And because of that, and only that, do I have anything against it.

Yes, I can see why that would be a problem.
(JUST FOR INFO, I AM NOT SAYING I WILL HAVE SEX WITH A HORSE:) When a mare desires to engage in sexual activities with someone, they do something called 'winking' (No, not winking their eye), which is basically a way they consent.
It needs to be a horse that feels comfortable around you as well, one that you raised, and that feels safe around you.

[Trace]

Yes, I can see why that would be a problem.
(JUST FOR INFO, I AM NOT SAYING I WILL HAVE SEX WITH A HORSE:) When a mare desires to engage in sexual activities with someone, they do something called 'winking' (No, not winking their eye), which is basically a way they consent.
It needs to be a horse that feels comfortable around you as well, one that you raised, and that feels safe around you.

A gesture can easily be misunderstood.

[Pinkamena]

A gesture can easily be misunderstood.

'Winking' is a purely sexual gesture, however.
I would say to look it up, but if you are grossed out by this kind of stuff don't.

[Trace]

'Winking' is a purely sexual gesture, however.
I would say to look it up, but if you are grossed out by this kind of stuff don't.

If you say so.. Regardless, you put yourself in harm's way dealing with such a large animal.

[Pinkamena]

If you say so.. Regardless, you put yourself in harm's way dealing with such a large animal.

Indeed, that's why I said you should only do these things with a mare that is familiar with you.
A clean one, as well. And always make sure you are clean as well, you don't want to make your mare sick.

[RyanJF1]

I can't really think of a different word for it. Zoophiliac might be more appropriate, however, I don't think it's actually a word.
Otherwise, I am bi.

It would be considered a fetish.

I warn you strictly not to act upon this. Horses are biologically engineered to breed with other horses of the same species. The same goes for humans.

[Hunter_Steel]

I've got a fetish for this, and enjoy watching it, but I would never act on it. Not for moral reasons, but just because I am not sexually attracted to animals, but I for some reason get aroused by watching girls do it.

The thing about consent is a stupid argument IMO. The dog is not forced to have intercourse with the human, as the dog by it's own volition mounts the person without being forced to do it. I've spoken to a few Zoophiles and they would never force the animal to have intercourse, and there are points when the animal does not want to do it.

Now the cases with horses is a little different. As you can see many movies where the horse is being used as a dildo instead of consensually doing the deed itself. This is when it goes into the case of the horse is being forced to do intercourse until the person orgasms and the horse is also forced to orgasm. This is wrong. The same goes for dogs, that is also wrong, the animal must be free to do it of it's own volition.

So the case of whether its consensual or animal cruelty is a sensitive topic that many countries are currently debating about it.

~Hunter

[lowride]

Its a fetish we all have one some r just different then others

[steellord321]

I don't think people need to be telling him to seek psychiatric help; that's uncalled for. Well, I can't sit here and say you shouldn't do that. I, will, however say I don't really agree with it. Not because I think it's odd or anything like that, but simply because the animal can not consent. No amount of the brain patterns you look up are you going to know for sure an animal wants to have sex with you. It could be considered animal cruelty, in my opinion. I know that isn't your intentions, but you won't know if you're hurting them...or anything, as they can't communicate.

The only reason they are is out of concern. It was already brought up in the 1st thread. The other thing is a horse can't reciprocate, you can't have a relationship with it. That might be fine for now but at some point you will miss out if you can't form attachment with a human partner.

[likemike]

What happens if the animals gets sick

[Twilly F. Sniper]

The only reason I think this isn't healthy is because it isn't consentual. Citing legality as a reason that something is "bad" is a shitty argument. Up until recently, anal sex between two males was illegal in many states. But that's besides the point. The horse (or whatever non-human strikes your fancy) has no way of consenting, and for that reason (and that reason alone), I do not think this is healthy.

That is true.

But I have the same problem, as the OP, with dogs.
And yes, I know that the dog doesn't really consent (except if it's male or [in females] in it's estrous stage of heat), but that can't influence my zoophilia.
And yes, I am bisexual to humans AND dogs, if that even could be important or relevant.

[darthearth]

I would guess you may do it once and then say "been there done that" and move on....personally, YUCK, I can't even stand dogs touching me with their wet snout. I think stallions are sexually attractive to a degree, but when I'm actually in front of one I'm like YUCK.

[johnsmith1]

Indeed, that's why I said you should only do these things with a mare that is familiar with you.
A clean one, as well. And always make sure you are clean as well, you don't want to make your mare sick.

An unusual choice, but up to you. I understand the familuarity point, as with a horse, if the horse genuinely objected to what you were doing (not that you specifically going to act on these thoughts), one kick later, you would at least be in severe pain.

[Trace]

one kick later, you would at least be in severe pain.

Or be seriously injured.

[Troy35216]

Everyone seems to automatically think I would just go randomly have intercourse with a horse, without any proper knowledge on it .
so, you'd buy it dinner first? maybe take it to a movie?

When a mare desires to engage in sexual activities with someone, they do something called 'winking' which is basically a way they consent.
engage in sexual activities with SOMEONE? she does that when she wants to engage in sexual activities with ANOTHER HORSE. when animals are in heat, whether it's horses winking or lady chimps with red swollen lady bits or cats in heat, it isn't a way of saying, "I consent to doing the deed" it is just a physical thing they can't control that lets the male horse (or chimp or cat or whatever) know that the female is ovulating and that boinking is likely to end up in pregnancy. If a mare is winking it isn't cuz she thinks you're cute. It's cuz she is looking for some He-Horse to be her baby daddy. If this is just a fantasy thing that is one thing but I hope you don't live on a farm. Maybe you should get a life size My Little Pony or something and have at it. :P

[Twilly F. Sniper]

so, you'd buy it dinner first? maybe take it to a movie?

Not really??? That's not even related at all to what he said?
He's referencing research on the vagina, etc. of the horse. And also, yes, there actually are proper methods.

[Troy35216]

Not really??? That's not even related at all to what he said?

HUMOR: Noun
The quality of being amusing or comic, esp. as expressed in literature or speech, often involving wordplay, as replying to a serious comment with absurdism, puns or alternate meanings.

also, the horse's vagina is an invitation to a horse's penis. try it. take a horny horse and a horny zoophile to a winking mare and see which one she offers herself to.

[Pinkamena]

An unusual choice, but up to you. I understand the familuarity point, as with a horse, if the horse genuinely objected to what you were doing (not that you specifically going to act on these thoughts), one kick later, you would at least be in severe pain.

That is precisely why you must make the mare feel comfortable around you, and only approach her when she is ready.


also, the horse's vagina is an invitation to a horse's penis. try it. take a horny horse and a horny zoophile to a winking mare and see which one she offers herself to.

However, if there is no Stallion around, that could be a problem for her, in that regard. A domestically owned mare would probably not have a stallion to mate with, and she has no way of relieving herself.

[Troy35216]

w/e. it's not like she's a vulcan going thru Pon Far and if she doesn't get some she's gonna die or kill the other mares. When our dog went into heat there were no male dogs around. none of us fucked her and she was just fine. if you get off on horse sex then just say so but don't act like your doing it as a favor to the horse.

[RoseyCadaver]

The only reason I think this isn't healthy is because it isn't consentual. Citing legality as a reason that something is "bad" is a shitty argument. Up until recently, anal sex between two males was illegal in many states. But that's besides the point. The horse (or whatever non-human strikes your fancy) has no way of consenting, and for that reason (and that reason alone), I do not think this is healthy.

She summed it up for me.

I mean I could totally see why someone would be interested in it, I can't say I've never thought of it, but until we can possibly create a device to communicate with animals LOL, I won't be partaking in interspecies sex anytime soon.

[Rainbowfairy]

No I've been curious about say a dog licking me but could never get the courage too

[Snookers]

Isn't zoophilia illegal?

[Pinkamena]

Isn't zoophilia illegal?

Varies from place to place.
Some states it is legal, and I know it is legal in Sweden, Belgium, and Denmark

[CharlieHorse]

Attraction to animals.
In my case, it is horses.


You wouldn't happen to be a brony, would you :P :D

[Pinkamena]

You wouldn't happen to be a brony, would you :P :D

I stopped watching the show after Season 2, but yeah, haha.

[CharlieHorse]

Not trying to be mean but is there a reason the horse in your profile pic looks like skrillex

That character is Pinkamena Diane Pie from MLP. She's a relatively mentally disturbed character and is a polar opposite persona for the character Pinkie Pie.
If you want skrillex, Google "skrillex mlp".

[WaffleSingSong]

My opinion legal wise? Governments really shouldn't ban it, I mean, unless if it is not consensual. If a guy dies because a horse dick went too far up his butt-hole, that is purely his fault.

Personally? I don't judge people with it, as you might be good as any other person. But I would never really do it. I don't know, just does not find getting rammed by a dog or a horse to be too much fun, and vise versa.

[likemike]

That character is Pinkamena Diane Pie from MLP. She's a relatively mentally disturbed character and is a polar opposite persona for the character Pinkie Pie.
If you want skrillex, Google "skrillex mlp".

I was talking to pinkamena about his his old profile picture

[KimuraWannabe116]

No offense and this is just my opinion. I think this is disgusting, I could never Imagine in my wildest dreams of having sexual intercourse with a horse, and for that manner any animal. It just seems so wrong and so cruel to the animal. In my opinion I think only humans should have sexual relationship's with each other, and it seems to be a problem that humans would want to "do it" with an animal. This is very tasteless in my opinion...

[Ryhanna]

Honestly, I think it's kind of an exploitation of an animal's inability to make conscious decisions or consent. The animal doesn't really have the mental capability to judge whether what it's doing is right or wrong, so by having sex with it, you'd sort of be taking advantage of that for your own pleasure.

I'm not judging you for feeling the way that you do, though. Just giving my honest thoughts.

[Gwen]

The only reason I think this isn't healthy is because it isn't consentual. Citing legality as a reason that something is "bad" is a shitty argument. Up until recently, anal sex between two males was illegal in many states. But that's besides the point. The horse (or whatever non-human strikes your fancy) has no way of consenting, and for that reason (and that reason alone), I do not think this is healthy.

NOTE: THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I CONDONE OR ENJOY.

What if for example a dog started trying to hump me in my sleep (It has happened to people)? Would it be giving consent or would it be in trouble for me not giving consent? :what:

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Varies from place to place.
Some states it is legal, and I know it is legal in Sweden, Belgium, and Denmark

Specifically, it is legal in 15 states and 3 territories.

[CharlieHorse]

I stopped watching the show after Season 2, but yeah, haha.

Aw you should watch season 3 :P !
It was pretty good :)

Honestly I dont see anything wrong with zoophing, but there does seem to be many cases where it's kind of questionable.
I mean, heck, my friends dog humps his cat all the time. They're not the same species either.

[Pinkamena]

Aw you should watch season 3 :P !
It was pretty good :)

Honestly I dont see anything wrong with zoophing, but there does seem to be many cases where it's kind of questionable.
I mean, heck, my friends dog humps his cat all the time. They're not the same species either.

I watched Sleepless in Ponyville, and Wonderbolt Academy; those were pretty good, but I've heard bad things about the rest of the season. Not a big fan of Twilicorn (Pony Jesus), either.

And yes, there are a ton of horrible cases, which are the only ones people hear about unfortunately. It really sickens me when people hurt animals.

Also, just to let those of you calling me sick, or whatever... I never chose to have this attraction, it's just there, and I can't do anything about it.

[Camazotz]

Dude, it's an animal. It doesn't need or want to have sex with you. Trying to exploit its physiology to get it to 'enjoy' it is immoral and cruel. If anybody ever found out about this it would destroy your life forever.

Regardless, it's nothing more than an extreme fetish, which you seem to carry resentment to act upon. You should seek psychiatric treatment for this.

I'm basically going to second what these guys are saying. If anyone found out about this, you would have no reputation. It is animal cruelty, and I don't care if you studied them. It's illegal. Even if you haven't acted on it, I'd get professional treatment soon.

The only reason I think this isn't healthy is because it isn't consensual. Citing legality as a reason that something is "bad" is a shitty argument. Up until recently, anal sex between two males was illegal in many states. But that's besides the point. The horse (or whatever non-human strikes your fancy) has no way of consenting, and for that reason (and that reason alone), I do not think this is healthy.

I agree with all of these. I don't think there are any other arguments except for the obvious "animals can't consent." They don't think like humans, and for most species of animals, the idea of consent to sexual intercourse is non-existent. This topic is taboo and generally frowned upon, and perhaps you will one day grow out of it.

[StoppingTime]

:arrow: Ramblings of the Wise; this is becoming a debate.

And I disagree with it being legal anywhere for the same reason everyone else does. No matter how much an animal looks like it's "giving consent," you can never know for sure regardless of all the studies you've read and whatnot. Animals don't even have the ability to "give" consent - for most animals, mating is instinctive rather than for pleasure (yes I'm aware there are exceptions).

[tovaris]

Moraly contrevertial and partily ilegal

[Stronk Serb]

Well, you both be safe and have fun when you do it.

[CharlieHorse]

I watched Sleepless in Ponyville, and Wonderbolt Academy; those were pretty good, but I've heard bad things about the rest of the season. Not a big fan of Twilicorn (Pony Jesus), either.

And yes, there are a ton of horrible cases, which are the only ones people hear about unfortunately. It really sickens me when people hurt animals.

Also, just to let those of you calling me sick, or whatever... I never chose to have this attraction, it's just there, and I can't do anything about it.

Yeah, the princess coronation is not that great... but there are definitely a few other great episodes. Scootaloo got her own episode sorta, and it was a good one.

Also, i don't think you're sick. I totally understand :)

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Mostly controversial and mostly illegal.

Quite, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. And if the right time comes, it definitely isn't wrong.

[MickeyMouse]

Quite, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. And if the right time comes, it definitely isn't wrong.

How are you even trying to justify this in any way whatsoever. I don't understand why this is even becoming a debate; having sex with an animal is wrong, thoughts about it are also abnormal, and so as previously mentioned, one should seek psychiatric help.

[Pinkamena]

Moraly contrevertial and partily ilegal

Well, what's your opinion on it?


Well, you both be safe and have fun when you do it.

Thanks, I guess.
I don't plan on doing it any time in the near future, though.


Yeah, the princess coronation is not that great... but there are definitely a few other great episodes. Scootaloo got her own episode sorta, and it was a good one.

Also, i don't think you're sick. I totally understand :)

I appreciate it! You're probably one of the only people here that have given me positive feedback and not called me disgusting so far, haha.
I have to admit though, I do clop to partially satisfy these urges.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

How are you even trying to justify this in any way whatsoever. I don't understand why this is even becoming a debate; having sex with an animal is wrong, thoughts about it are also abnormal, and so as previously mentioned, one should seek psychiatric help.


That's like saying homosexuality is a disease. NBot quite to the extent but like it. If the animal is in the right stage of heat, it is not even close to wrong. If you just randomly crave sex with it, that IS wrong. But that doesn't mean the whole concept is wrong either. We just are sexually attracted to animals, to me? Not a problem. To ridiculous people (like you it seems)? Absolutely horrendous.

[Caldwell]

That's like saying homosexuality is a disease. NBot quite to the extent but like it. If the animal is in the right stage of heat, it is not even close to wrong. If you just randomly crave sex with it, that IS wrong. But that doesn't mean the whole concept is wrong either. We just are sexually attracted to animals, to me? Not a problem. To ridiculous people (like you it seems)? Absolutely horrendous.

"If the animal is in the right stage of heat, it is not even close to wrong." Honestly, there is no justification for this type of stupidity. THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU. Instinct tells them to mate in order to reproduce, not to mate because it feels good. There are exceptions, but a horse is not going to go through heat just because it's lonely and wants to be penetrated by a human.

It's comparable to having a rape fetish, which a lot of people do. It's fine if you want to think about it, get off on it, etc., but the moment you decide you're going to harm someone or something in order to heighten your fantasies, you are breaking the law and it isn't okay.

No matter what you may manage to convince yourself, an animal is never going to fall in love with you, and it isn't going to want to have sex with you. Attempting to exploit its physiology, such as doing it when it believes it is supposed to be mating, is nothing more than sick.

[Pinkamena]

"If the animal is in the right stage of heat, it is not even close to wrong." Honestly, there is no justification for this type of stupidity. THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU. Instinct tells them to mate in order to reproduce, not to mate because it feels good. There are exceptions, but a horse is not going to go through heat just because it's lonely and wants to be penetrated by a human.

It's comparable to having a rape fetish, which a lot of people do. It's fine if you want to think about it, get off on it, etc., but the moment you decide you're going to harm someone or something in order to heighten your fantasies, you are breaking the law and it isn't okay.

No matter what you may manage to convince yourself, an animal is never going to fall in love with you, and it isn't going to want to have sex with you. Attempting to exploit its physiology, such as doing it when it believes it is supposed to be mating, is nothing more than sick.

Valid points, but keep in mind beastiality isn't illegal in some places, so it wouldn't be breaking the law.
I also do not see a horribly awful issue with pleasuring a mare if she is in her time of need, provided she isn't hurt, or anyone (Including the mare) gets sick from the encounter.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Valid points, but keep in mind beastiality isn't illegal in some places, so it wouldn't be breaking the law.
I also do not see a horribly awful issue with pleasuring a mare if she is in her time of need, provided she isn't hurt, or anyone (Including the mare) gets sick from the encounter.

I admit, I was being a little hyperbolic, this is about what I meant to say here.

[teen.jpg]

I can't believe you really researched "How to Fuck a Horse" or whatever. If you're never going to act on it, what is the point?

I'd clear your browser history if I were you ...

[Twilly F. Sniper]

I can't believe you really researched "How to Fuck a Horse" or whatever. If you're never going to act on it, what is the point?

I'd clear your browser history if I were you ...

The last part yes. But just because he states it means he won't act on it?

But I hate saying this OP. It's a felony in Tennesee. :/ I'm so lucky to live in Texas: One of the states it's legal :P

[likemike]

Valid points, but keep in mind beastiality isn't illegal in some places, so it wouldn't be breaking the law.
I also do not see a horribly awful issue with pleasuring a mare if she is in her time of need, provided she isn't hurt, or anyone (Including the mare) gets sick from the encounter.

You aren't pleasuring the horse, the horse doesn't need you to have sex with it

[Caldwell]

The horse will receive just as much pleasure from another horse. Regardless, you're making it clear that the sexual encounter is just about you. The horse is an animal. It does not love you, it is not attracted to you, and it is not gaining anything from having sex with you.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

The horse will receive just as much pleasure from another horse. Regardless, you're making it clear that the sexual encounter is just about you. The horse is an animal. It does not love you, it is not attracted to you, and it is not gaining anything from having sex with you.

That is not what he's saying.
He's saying when the mare is ready and wanting of intercourse, he might assist that.
As well, the animal may be more accustomed to it's own kind, but that doesn't mean it can't be pleasured by a different species.

[Syvelocin]

Now, I'm a really accepting person, I'll say. Incest, paedophilia, zoophilia. I don't blame anyone who finds himself in those sorts of situations. It's when it isn't consensual (which counts statutory) that I have issues with it. If that horse really is okay with it, that's where I stop caring about your sex life. But it's really difficult for us to know what someone wants if they aren't either mentally developed or able to speak. I mean, don't get me wrong, having those feelings I completely understand (though I can't empathize) but, like my views on paedophilia, it's when it's acted on that I have a problem with it. I have no right to judge someone for their sexuality if I don't wish mine to be judged. And I really see nothing wrong with it anyway.

[Pinkamena]

I can't believe you really researched "How to Fuck a Horse" or whatever. If you're never going to act on it, what is the point?

I'd clear your browser history if I were you ...

Sorry, I just think it's important to inform people about what their arguing against. Also, I have nothing related to this on my browsing history, not like anyone checks it anyway.

But I hate saying this OP. It's a felony in Tennesee. :/ I'm so lucky to live in Texas: One of the states it's legal :P

I'm aware, which is one of the many reasons I'm not acting on it.

You aren't pleasuring the horse, the horse doesn't need you to have sex with it

If you want to get technical, performing sexual acts on it would give it physical pleasure, and yes, I know.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

I'm aware, which is one of the many reasons I'm not acting on it.


Makes sense. I really won't act on mine either, for nearly the same reason.

[MickeyMouse]

That's like saying homosexuality is a disease. NBot quite to the extent but like it. If the animal is in the right stage of heat, it is not even close to wrong. If you just randomly crave sex with it, that IS wrong. But that doesn't mean the whole concept is wrong either. We just are sexually attracted to animals, to me? Not a problem. To ridiculous people (like you it seems)? Absolutely horrendous.


What?! This has no relevance to homosexuality in the slightest, stop trying to make out animals as if they have the same mentality of humans, they are far inferior in intellect, they act on instinct. AN ANIMAL DOES NOT HAVE A STAGE OF HEAT WHERE IT WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH A HUMAN. GO LEARN SOME BIOLOGY, they are not human. The whole concept IS wrong, disgusting, filthy and unsafe, there is a reason different species are unable to breed with each other, because having sex with another species is both unnatural and can have detrimental affects to society. How can you be calling me ridiculous when you're supporting this monstrosity. We have a right as humans to draw a line between what is deemed acceptable and what is abnormal, this is why we have PSYCHOLOGISTS, so that we can treat those with mental disorders. If we was to accept such acts and allow it to become a norm what do you think would happen to the human race? it could have devastating effects. This is where you stop adopting the mindless "Everyone's an individual and we have to accept them no matter what", and think with some logic. This is bloody stupid.

[Apollo.]

It's fucking vile and disgusting imo, end of.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

What?! This has no relevance to homosexuality in the slightest, stop trying to make out animals as if they have the same mentality of humans, they are far inferior in intellect, they act on instinct. AN ANIMAL DOES NOT HAVE A STAGE OF HEAT WHERE IT WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH A HUMAN. GO LEARN SOME BIOLOGY, they are not human. The whole concept IS wrong, disgusting, filthy and unsafe, there is a reason different species are unable to breed with each other, because having sex with another species is both unnatural and can have detrimental affects to society. How can you be calling me ridiculous when you're supporting this monstrosity. We have a right as humans to draw a line between what is deemed acceptable and what is abnormal, this is why we have PSYCHOLOGISTS, so that we can treat those with mental disorders. If we was to accept such acts and allow it to become a norm what do you think would happen to the human race? it could have devastating effects. This is where you stop adopting the mindless "Everyone's an individual and we have to accept them no matter what", and think with some logic. This is bloody stupid.

Uh no??? It's actually nearly the same thing??? Except instead of same gender it's different species. You're the idiot.

[Caldwell]

For you to compare homosexuality to bestiality is insulting and hilariously offensive. Animals cannot consent.

Either way, this is something that is never going to be accepted in society, due to the fact that the only people who stand behind it or are willing to argue in favor of it are people who they themselves have a fetish for animals. They fail to recognize that, by carrying out their fantasies, they are being unjustly cruel to an animal to fulfill their own sexual desires. I suggest you seek counseling to better understand these desires and why they aren't okay, because if you're seriously trying to justify them by comparing them to homosexuality, you have a problem.

[MickeyMouse]

Uh no??? It's actually nearly the same thing??? Except instead of same gender it's different species. You're the idiot.


I'm finding it hilarious how you have the audacity to call me an idiot when you fail to realise that not a single person but you and OP support this horrific act. I dare you to go out in public and tell people that you want to have sex with an animal and see who looks like an idiot then.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

I'm finding it hilarious how you have the audacity to call me an idiot when you fail to realise that not a single person but you and OP support this horrific act. I dare you to go out in public and tell people that you want to have sex with an animal and see who looks like an idiot then.

Umm??? Did you read? We are NOT acting on it?

[britishboy]

wtf is this?

[Human]

Well, I don't really like the whole idea, like everyone is saying an animal can't actually consent.
Unless you're the one consenting, and you're letting the animal do... whatever it wants to do 0.0

[Pinkamena]

For you to compare homosexuality to bestiality is insulting and hilariously offensive. Animals cannot consent.

Either way, this is something that is never going to be accepted in society, due to the fact that the only people who stand behind it or are willing to argue in favor of it are people who they themselves have a fetish for animals. They fail to recognize that, by carrying out their fantasies, they are being unjustly cruel to an animal to fulfill their own sexual desires. I suggest you seek counseling to better understand these desires and why they aren't okay, because if you're seriously trying to justify them by comparing them to homosexuality, you have a problem.

I didn't compare it to homosexuality? At least, I wasn't aware I did.
Also, I have no access to counseling.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

I didn't compare it to homosexuality? At least, I wasn't aware I did.
Also, I have no access to counseling.

I was the one that he's actually responding to. And I think that it is actually a good comparison. Even though zoophilia is like homosexuality except less accepted, and not between humans. (I think the last part is the whole point of this thread in the first place)

[kenoloor]

What if for example a dog started trying to hump me in my sleep (It has happened to people)? Would it be giving consent or would it be in trouble for me not giving consent? :what:

In this situation, the dog still has no way of expressly giving consent. Non-human animals do not have a concept of consent. They cannot understand it and therefore cannot provide it.

zoophilia is like homosexuality

lmao wat r u doin

Let's look at the words, shall we?
Zoophilia.
"-philia" as in "fetish."

Homosexuality
"-sexuality" as in "sexual attraction to another human."

Zoophilia involves human and non-human sexual interaction; the human can consent however the non-human cannot.

Homosexuality involves two humans who are capable of consenting to sexual relations.

[Unique Physique]

Uh, yeah it's obviously nasty, and I think anyone lost up their enough to do it with an animal probably needs to be sectioned..

[Twilly F. Sniper]

In this situation, the dog still has no way of expressly giving consent. Non-human animals do not have a concept of consent. They cannot understand it and therefore cannot provide it.



lmao wat r u doin

Let's look at the words, shall we?
Zoophilia.
"-philia" as in "fetish."

Homosexuality
"-sexuality" as in "sexual attraction to another human."

Zoophilia involves human and non-human sexual interaction; the human can consent however the non-human cannot.

Homosexuality involves two humans who are capable of consenting to sexual relations.

The title of this thread should have been zooSEXUALITY, OP's mistake, and as well it actually is a SEXUAL attraction to the animal, it isn't necessarily a fetish.

[kenoloor]

The title of this thread should have been zooSEXUALITY, OP's mistake, and as well it actually is a SEXUAL attraction to the animal, it isn't necessarily a fetish.

read, godammit.
Non-human animals do not have a concept of consent. They cannot understand it and therefore cannot provide it.

...

Homosexuality involves two humans who are capable of consenting to sexual relations.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

read, godammit.

Uh??? You read?
Zoosexuality IS A SEXUALITY????
THAT'S WHY IT HAS THE -SEXUALITY PREFIX!
and plus, ZOOPHILIA ND ZOOSEXUALITY ARE THE SAME DAMN THING.

[kenoloor]

Uh??? You read?
Zoosexuality IS A SEXUALITY????
THAT'S WHY IT HAS THE -SEXUALITY PREFIX!
and plus, ZOOPHILIA ND ZOOSEXUALITY ARE THE SAME DAMN THING.

nig nog you are completely missing the point. I don't give an angel's anus if it's a sexuality or not.
Non-human animals do not have a concept of consent, therefore sex with a non-human animal CANNOT be consensual. And what makes homosexuality different is that homosexual sex CAN be consensual.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

nig nog you are completely missing the point. I don't give an angel's anus if it's a sexuality or not.
Non-human animals do not have a concept of consent, therefore sex with a non-human animal cannot be consensual.

They only do not because they don't speak a language.

[kenoloor]

They only do not because they don't speak a language.

They do not have a concept of consent. Their brains do not function on the level that ours do. They cannot grasp abstract concepts such as gender, identity, or consent.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

They do not have a concept of consent. Their brains do not function on the level that ours do. They cannot grasp abstract concepts such as gender, identity, or consent.

They do, however, have behaviors that represent a sort of consent.

[kenoloor]

They do, however, have behaviors that represent a sort of consent.

No. They do not represent consent because they cannot expressly give consent because they do not understand it.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

No. They do not represent consent because they cannot expressly give consent because they do not understand it.

They actually do? Yet again, reiterating the point that I argued already, they don't speak a language, therefore humans cannot tell the consent they give, unless they can see the behaviors at the estrus stage of the estrous cycle, for example a "winking" mare, that signals that the mare is accepting of (in normal cases) a stallion. (In this case) a human, as the OP is sexually attractd to horses, and therefore zoosexual, but I'm straying off-topic. But seriously, you can't assume an animal can't consent because it doesn't speak English.

[Miserabilia]

It's okay to have an animal fetish but you probably shouldn't have real sex with them.

[kenoloor]

They actually do? Yet again, reiterating the point that I argued already, they don't speak a language, therefore humans cannot tell the consent they give, unless they can see the behaviors at the estrus stage of the estrous cycle, for example a "winking" mare, that signals that the mare is accepting of (in normal cases) a stallion. (In this case) a human, as the OP is sexually attractd to horses, and therefore zoosexual, but I'm straying off-topic. But seriously, you can't assume an animal can't consent because it doesn't speak English.

You're the one assuming that, not I. I'm saying that they cannot consent because they cannot understand the concept of consent. If they could speak a language that we understood but the rest of their psychological structure remained unchanged, they would still not understand consent. Being able to communicate is neither here nor there for non-human animals.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

You're the one assuming that, not I. I'm saying that they cannot consent because they cannot understand the concept of consent. If they could speak a language that we understood but the rest of their psychological structure remained unchanged, they would still not understand consent. Being able to speak is neither here nor there for non-human animals.

Speaking isn't... But communication IS???

[kenoloor]

Speaking isn't... But communication IS???

correction: for non-human animals, who cannot grasp the concept of consent, communication is irrelevant. I'll edit the post you quoted to be more clear. My mistake.

[Emerald Dream]

The reasoning for animals can not consent is actually pretty simple. Let me break it down:

1. There are no animals that have shown to be more intelligent than a human child.

2. It is illegal to have sex with a child, because they can not consent.

3. Therefore, animals can not consent to having sex with a human.

It really doesn't matter how much an animal "enjoys" sex or not. They can not consent to it...no matter how many ridiculous "mare winks" or "I know my dog's personality" you want to spin into the argument.

[kenoloor]

They can not consent to it...no matter how many ridiculous "mare winks" [...]

Yeah, that mare winking thing got a chuckle out of me.

[CharlieHorse]

What if a horse tries to have sex with you without your consent?

[Troy35216]

the winking mare is winking cuz she is capable of conceiving if ANOTHER HORSE has sex with her. if OP is saying that the winking mare is the same as consenting to him sticking it to her then does that mean any guy with a boner is consenting to sex? I mean he's got a boner, right? so if my math teacher catches me boned up in Algebra that must mean I give consent for him to fuck me in class, right? or if a woman is ovulating and capable of conception does that mean she is giving consent for anyone to have sex with her just because she is giving off pheromones? "winking" is the dumbest definition of "consent" I have ever seen. "I didn't rape her, Your Honor. She winked at me!" I bet if you call every Shrink in your town you won't find ONE who says horse fucking is normal. Every single one of them will that using "winking" as consent is trying to justify their actions, just like child molesters justify their actions by saying they were only loving the kid and making her feel good.

[StoppingTime]

What if a horse tries to have sex with you without your consent?

Fun fact: A horse has no desire to have sex with a human. Why? Because you aren't a horse. It's instinct for them to have sex with one another to procreate, but not to have sex with humans. End of.

[MickeyMouse]

omfg there's no such thing as zoosexual stop making shit up, you need to get some help, you've obviously got some sort of mental disorder that's making you think like this, and this is where I cross the line between "respect" and stupidity; one can't even respect your opinion because its wrong, there's no two ways about it. you're absolute filth, not for having these thoughts (which is fine as you have no control over that) but for trying to justify it by both comparing it to homosexuality and thinking you're some sort of biologist throwing out statements like "Animals sort of consent", get back to school, learn a few things, social and get your morals in check. Make some normal friends and maybe you'll adopt a more natural, acceptable state of mind.

edit this post is not so much aimed at OP but more so for Sergeant Threeface

[Origami]

Alright. I don't agree with the OP, at all, but this is ridiculous.

omfg there's no such thing as zoosexual stop making shit up

Mind you, the term Zoosexual exists! That's right. It's a real term. And in the future it will likely be come more accepted. So don't say there is no such thing as Zoosexual because you're wrong. End of story.

you need to get some help, you've obviously got some sort of mental disorder that's making you think like this, and this is where I cross the line between "respect" and stupidity; one can't even respect your opinion because its wrong, there's no two ways about it.

Who are you to say someone has a mental disorder simply for liking something you don't? And let me just say this, an opinion can not be wrong. I'll say it again in all caps for you, AN OPINION CAN NOT BE WRONG. And opinion can be bad. An opinion can be abnormal. But an opinion can not be wrong. So this is actually where we cross the line between "respect" and "stupidity" because this portion of your post is both disrespectful to the OP and those share this ideal, but is also stupid in that you say someone's opinion is wrong.

you're absolute filth, not for having these thoughts (which is fine as you have no control over that) but for trying to justify it by both comparing it to homosexuality

Filth for justifying ones beliefs? No, no, no. We're all entitled to our opinions just as much as we're entitled to defend them.

And the reference comparing Zoophilia to Homosexuality was spot on. That's right, I agree with him! Why? Because you're all overlooking what both of them are. Zoosexual, Bisexual, Heterosexual, Homosexual, and all the others are a sexuality. THEY. ARE. ALL. A. SEXUALITY. They are all the same god damned thing with slight deviations. What is sexuality? By definition sexuality is one's sexual orientation. Just because it is a social taboo does not mean they can't claim it as a sexuality.

and thinking you're some sort of biologist throwing out statements like "Animals sort of consent", get back to school, learn a few things,

This part. I agree that animals can not consent as was stated above, a mare's winking simply means it is ready to conceive a child. It does not mean, "I'm horny. I want you." This may be the only part of your post that I agree with remotely.

social and get your morals in check. Make some normal friends and maybe you'll adopt a more natural, acceptable state of mind.

Let me just say this because I don't give a fuck who I piss off. Homosexuality for a long time was morally unacceptable. And by some, though mainly religious group, was considered naturally unacceptable. Just because society does not accept it as a whole yet, does not say the person is "filth" or that they have a "mental disorder" for having a sexual attraction to something or someone.

[Troy35216]

for all the people saying "who are you to say it's not normal". I'm no one to say it's not normal. but the American Psychiatric Association in their Diagnostic Manual of Mental Disorders says it's not normal. on page 561, under Sexual Disorders it lists Zoophilia. 302.9 Paraphilia Not Otherwise Specified
This category is included for coding Paraphilias that do not meet the criteria for any of the specific categories. Examples include, but are not limited to, telephone scatologia (obscene phone calls), necrophilia (corpses), partialism (exclusive focus on part of body), zoophilia (animals), coprophilia (feces), klismaphilia (enemas), and urophilia (urine). So if you're saying you know better than 36,000 psychiatrists I have to ask you to back it up.

[Origami]

for all the people saying "who are you to say it's not normal". I'm no one to say it's not normal. but the American Psychiatric Association in their Diagnostic Manual of Mental Disorders says it's not normal. on page 561, under Sexual Disorders it lists Zoophilia. 302.9 Paraphilia Not Otherwise Specified
This category is included for coding Paraphilias that do not meet the criteria for any of the specific categories. Examples include, but are not limited to, telephone scatologia (obscene phone calls), necrophilia (corpses), partialism (exclusive focus on part of body), zoophilia (animals), coprophilia (feces), klismaphilia (enemas), and urophilia (urine). So if you're saying you know better than 36,000 psychiatrists I have to ask you to back it up.

That's cool. Until 1974 Homosexuality was also a mental disorder.

[likemike]

A healthy, sex-positive society cannot allow sexual activity to occur in which clear consent is not present. Laws barring bestiality, such as the one recently enacted in Florida, are not wrongful limitations of sexual freedom. They rightfully protect the sexual liberties of all.

[Troy35216]

That's cool. Until 1974 Homosexuality was also a mental disorder.
what's your point? becuase 39 years ago homosexuality was still listed that means that everything else on the list shouldn't be there? before you make any irrelevant comments you might want to check out (1) why homosexuality was on the list before 1974 and (2) why it was taken off the list. Even you won't try to say the same reasons exist for horse fucking

[Origami]

what's your point? becuase 39 years ago homosexuality was still listed that means that everything else on the list shouldn't be there? before you make any irrelevant comments you might want to check out (1) why homosexuality was on the list before 1974 and (2) why it was taken off the list. Even you won't try to say the same reasons exist for horse fucking

My point is that things change and just because psychiatrists say it's a mental disorder doesn't mean it is or will remain as such. It's nothing more than socially unacceptable. It is, in fact, cruel to animals, but to say it is a mental disorder is imposing on the individuals sexual freedom.

We're all entitled to like/love what we will, bottom line.

[likemike]

A healthy, sex-positive society cannot allow sexual activity to occur in which clear consent is not present. Laws barring bestiality, such as the one recently enacted in Florida, are not wrongful limitations of sexual freedom. They rightfully protect the sexual liberties of all.

My point is that things change and just because psychiatrists say it's a mental disorder doesn't mean it is or will remain as such. It's nothing more than socially unacceptable. It is, in fact, cruel to animals, but to say it is a mental disorder is imposing on the individuals sexual freedom.

We're all entitled to like/love what we will, bottom line.

If everyone is entitled to what they love then pedos are entitled to children

[Origami]

If everyone is entitled to what they love then pedos are entitled to children

I said they are entitled to like or love what they will. I did not condone the actions of zoophiles or pedophiles. Just as I said earlier, I agree with the statements of an animal being unable to consent and likewise a child is too young to understand consent as well as the risks of sex.

However, I am not saying they should be denied their right to have this attraction. I am not saying any laws around either should be lifted. Society says they shouldn't act upon the urges under punishment of law and as such they shouldn't. They are still entitled to whatever attractions they feel however.

Mind you, kids younger than 15 are still part of arranged marriages and as such "underage sex" in some countries. Societies vary.

[likemike]

I said they are entitled to like or love what they will. I did not condone the actions of zoophiles or pedophiles. Just as I said earlier, I agree with the statements of an animal being unable to consent and likewise a child is too young to understand consent as well as the risks of sex.

However, I am not saying they should be denied their right to have this attraction. I am not saying any laws around either should be lifted. Society says they shouldn't act upon the urges under punishment of law and as such they shouldn't. They are still entitled to whatever attractions they feel however.

Mind you, kids younger than 15 are still part of arranged marriages and as such "underage sex" in some countries. Societies vary.
You and I both live in america where beastiality is illegal in 36 states
In our society its considered wrong

[Origami]

You and I both live in america where beastiality is illegal in 36 states
In our society its considered wrong

36 isn't a complete 50.

And yes, in our society it is socially accepted as wrong. But does that mean you shouldn't accept them instead of people telling them they need psychiatric help and others sinking as low as to call those brave enough to defend them "filth?" You could instead inform them of where it's legal! Of where it's accepted! But nope, everyone jumps to "you need help" shit.

My religion is against homosexuality. Should I shun all of my homosexual friends and tell them they need help and only the grace of God can saved them? No. I shouldn't.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

36 isn't a complete 50.

And yes, in our society it is socially accepted as wrong. But does that mean you shouldn't accept them instead of people telling them they need psychiatric help and others sinking as low as to call those brave enough to defend them "filth?" You could instead inform them of where it's legal! Of where it's accepted! But nope, everyone jumps to "you need help" shit.

My religion is against homosexuality. Should I shun all of my homosexual friends and tell them they need help and only the grace of God can saved them? No. I shouldn't.

This is the proper opinion on this matter I do believe (I may be a zoosexual myself, but that doesn't influence it too much)
I've always thought that discrimination is wrong. Using that logic, society is wrong.

[Troy35216]

My point is that things change and just because psychiatrists say it's a mental disorder doesn't mean it is or will remain as such. It's nothing more than socially unacceptable. It is, in fact, cruel to animals, but to say it is a mental disorder is imposing on the individuals sexual freedom.

We're all entitled to like/love what we will, bottom line.so you're right and 36,000 shrinks are wrong. okay.
I say again to look at why homosexuality was on the list in the first place and why it was removed and then tell me it's the same think with horse fucking. i'm leaving this conversation cuz it's too creepy for me. have fun

[Twilly F. Sniper]

so you're right and 36,000 shrinks are wrong. okay.
I say again to look at why homosexuality was on the list in the first place and why it was removed and then tell me it's the same think with horse fucking. i'm leaving this conversation cuz it's too creepy for me. have fun

To creepy, and apparently too complicated. Not trying to say this, but it literally is fairly similar. It's just an alternate sexuality that isn't accepted by the stupidity of society.

[likemike]

To creepy, and apparently too complicated. Not trying to say this, but it literally is fairly similar. It's just an alternate sexuality that isn't accepted by the stupidity of society.

What if it becomes accepted how could normal people protect their pets

[Origami]

so you're right and 36,000 shrinks are wrong. okay.
I say again to look at why homosexuality was on the list in the first place and why it was removed and then tell me it's the same think with horse fucking. i'm leaving this conversation cuz it's too creepy for me. have fun

In the sense that 36,000 shrinks have the right to say someone can't have a sexual attraction without it being a disorder? Yes.
I won't deny that is is a listed disorder, but I don't believe it belongs there.

To creepy, and apparently too complicated. Not trying to say this, but it literally is fairly similar. It's just an alternate sexuality that isn't accepted by the stupidity of society.

Yes.

What if it becomes accepted how could normal people protect their pets

There would obviously be laws to allow people to protect their pets just like their children.

[kenoloor]

It's just an alternate sexuality that isn't accepted by the stupidity of society.

Assuming that it is a valid orientation, there is nothing wrong with identifying that way; however a non-human animal still cannot consent, and for that reason, I don't think it's a good idea to have sex with a non-human animal.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

What if it becomes accepted how could normal people protect their pets

We aren't talking animal rapists, we're just talking zoosexuals.

[likemike]

We aren't talking animal rapists, we're just talking zoosexuals.

The animal can not consent it is the same as rape

[Twilly F. Sniper]

The animal can not consent it is the same as rape

It really isn't? Animals will usually communicate through sound or action if they are in heat, or in the case of males, feel the libido.

[kenoloor]

It really isn't? Animals will usually communicate through sound or action if they are in heat, or in the case of males, feel the libido.

I don't care if a platypus is winking up a storm, it still cannot understand the concept of consent.

[Origami]

It really isn't? Animals will usually communicate through sound or action if they are in heat, or in the case of males, feel the libido.

I do, sadly, have to agree with Mike and Bradi here. Animals don't understand the concept of consent on a level we humans do. The animal isn't expecting another species to have sex with them.

[likemike]

It really isn't? Animals will usually communicate through sound or action if they are in heat, or in the case of males, feel the libido.

You say that animals give "consent" to human sex by physical gestures, but that's not convincing. Think about how confusingly body language plays out across human cultures – how a handshake could delight some and viciously offend others – and we are all using the same basic behavioral framework. Animals are even more different and confusing, and they are wired differently on top of that. So, for you to say that we can understand animals "body language" – to the point of acquiring sexual consent from them – is absurd.

[kenoloor]

It really isn't? Animals will usually communicate through sound or action if they are in heat, or in the case of males, feel the libido.

You say that animals give "consent" to human sex by physical gestures, but that's not convincing. Think about how confusingly body language plays out across human cultures – how a handshake could delight some and viciously offend others – and we are all using the same basic behavioral framework. Animals are even more different and confusing, and they are wired differently on top of that. So, for you to say that we can understand animals "body language" – to the point of acquiring sexual consent from them – is absurd.

I agree with Mike on this one.

Sargeant, transfer this behavior to a human-human scenario. Without consent given through language- spoken or signed- there is no consent and is therefore rape. If a girl flips her hair a certain way or shows me her tampon box, that does not give me permission to whip out my strap-on and shove it inside of her. She has not given consent. Same goes for non-human animals.

[TheBigUnit]

It really isn't? Animals will usually communicate through sound or action if they are in heat, or in the case of males, feel the libido.

are you actually supporting this????? ...pathetic

[kenoloor]

are you actually supporting this????? ...pathetic

You know, instead of calling someone pathetic, which doesn't contribute to the discussion in the least, you could actually provide an argument and support your opinion.

[Origami]

are you actually supporting this????? ...pathetic

Omg! Someone does something taboo! Shun! Shun! Tell them they're fucked up! Tell their supporters they're pathetic! Hate! Burn! Kill! Rawr!

[DerBear]

It makes me physically sick to think someone would actually want to have sex with animals. I mean seriously it makes me feel ill just the thought. I mean I know it isn't exactly sex with animals but it can lead to it. Also an attraction to an animal other than care, is just so wrong on so many levels.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

So... if we developed a way to communicate with horses and if the horse consented, would it be ok then?

[likemike]

So... if we developed a way to communicate with horses and if the horse consented, would it be ok then?

No it would not be ok what if that horse didnt belong to you, what then?

[DerBear]

I feel we are looking into this a little too much.....

[Camazotz]

It really isn't? Animals will usually communicate through sound or action if they are in heat, or in the case of males, feel the libido.

Just because I get an erection, that doesn't mean I want to have sex. Just because a woman is secreting pheromones indicating her body is ready for sex (during ovulation), that doesn't mean she consents to anything.

I don't care if a platypus is winking up a storm, it still cannot understand the concept of consent.

Sargeant, I don't even think you can comprehend this; I think you've twisted logic and reasoning in order to justify your inappropriate feelings towards animals, and you really cannot see the flaws in your argument. Sexual arousal =/= consent, and it never will.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

No it would not be ok what if that horse didnt belong to you, what then?

If you can have sex with another person's daughter, you can also have sex with their horse, if they are able to consent, in this scenario.

[CharlieHorse]

It seems that the primary reason why people consider sexual activity with animals to be wrong is that the animal cannot give consent like a person can.

Now, lets step back and remember what consent truly means.
Consent is where someone gives someone else permission to have sex with them.

If we examine the sexual nature of both humans and (for this example) horses, there is a clear difference between the values and reasons for each.
A human's sexual nature is purposed to create a loving bond between a mother and father in order to make and protect a next generation after sex. Consent is required here because people are obligated to have a complete family with both parents in today's society. Also, primarily with women, sex is alot more than reproducing. It is an intimate, loving experience that she would only want to share with her lover. Again, this is to create a loving bond to keep the male in the family after childbirth.

Horses on the other hand, do not have the same sexual desires and priorities like people do. Horses are more focused on reproduction, rather than sexual love, which is why a pregnant mare will ignore the father stallion. Often times, some mares will even kick away the stallion after the deed. Because of this, it can be seen that stallions and mares do not share a loving bond through sex like people do. A mare will let stallions know when she is ready through flirtatious acts like winking. This is different from consent the way us people see it, because the consent that a mare gives is not based and reliant on loving values that people experience.
Those criticizing that a mare can't give consent like a person can are right, but that is because horses don't think about consent the way people do.
If a mare is in her time of heat, and she wants to feel like she's having sex for reproduction, then, in my opinion, a person giving the mare pleasure is not a bad thing. If the mare doesn't want a person pleasuring her, she'll more than likely kick them away.

[Camazotz]

It seems that the primary reason why people consider sexual activity with animals to be wrong is that the animal cannot give consent like a person can.

Yes.

If we examine the sexual nature of both humans and (for this example) horses, there is a clear difference between the values and reasons for each.

Yes and no. The only purpose of sexual intercourse is procreation. The fact that a moral compass evolved from this-creating a monogamous relationship to benefit the community/society- is a result, not a reason.

A human's sexual nature is purposed to create a loving bond between a mother and father in order to make and protect a next generation after sex. Consent is required here because people are obligated to have a complete family with both parents in today's society.

No; explain single parents, same-sex couples, divorce, etc. Consent is morality that developed from being self-conscious animals. We are far more intelligent than any other animal we are aware of, and have created a moral code that states consent for sex is necessary for a progressive, non-barbaric society.

Also, primarily with women, sex is a lot more than reproducing. It is an intimate, loving experience that she would only want to share with her lover. Again, this is to create a loving bond to keep the male in the family after childbirth.

Yes; evolutionary psychology.

Horses on the other hand, do not have the same sexual desires and priorities like people do. Horses are more focused on reproduction, rather than sexual love, which is why a pregnant mare will ignore the father stallion. Often times, some mares will even kick away the stallion after the deed. Because of this, it can be seen that stallions and mares do not share a loving bond through sex like people do.

I somewhat agree.

A mare will let stallions know when she is ready through flirtatious acts like winking. This is different from consent the way us people see it, because the consent that a mare gives is not based and reliant on loving values that people experience.

Sexual arousal is not consent for sex: in humans or in animals. Animals do not have consent for sex because they do not understand the concept. Humans can comprehend ideas and theories, which consent is.

Those criticizing that a mare can't give consent like a person can are right, but that is because horses don't think about consent the way people do.

Because they cannot understand what consent is. There is absolutely no concept of consent in (most) other animals.

If a mare is in her time of heat, and she wants to feel like she's having sex for reproduction, then, in my opinion, a person giving the mare pleasure is not a bad thing. If the mare doesn't want a person pleasuring her, she'll more than likely kick them away.

So it's okay to trick someone's body in order to give their body the "satisfaction" of thinking it's getting pregnant? So raping a woman while she is ovulating is "okay and acceptable" because it'll give her body the satisfaction of thinking it will become pregnant?

Consent is "permission for something to happen or agreement to do something." This is an idea that only adult humans can do (as far as we can determine). Animals cannot do this. Children cannot do this. The mentally retarded cannot do this. Having sex with anyone/anything that cannot or does not consent is immoral, wrong, and atrocious.

[StoppingTime]

The poster above covered everything else, but I wanted to specifically focus on this:


Those criticizing that a mare can't give consent like a person can are right, but that is because horses don't think about consent the way people do.
If a mare is in her time of heat, and she wants to feel like she's having sex for reproduction, then, in my opinion, a person giving the mare pleasure is not a bad thing. If the mare doesn't want a person pleasuring her, she'll more than likely kick them away.

What you said is basically the following:

It's okay to trick someone into having sex for pleasure with you if they want to or not. And if they don't, they will stop me (well, maybe). To me, that last sentence is comparable to saying, "Oh well it's okay if I make someone extremely sexually uncomfortable until they tell me to stop." And that is completely incorrect.

Let me emphasize what Bradi has been saying throughout this thread:

Horses or any non-human animals do not give consent of any kind. They don't give consent because there is no such thing as consent in their world.
Allowing another non-human animal to reproduce with another member of its species for the purpose of reproduction is just that - and nothing more. There's no consent involved. Consent is only present in humans (in the way we interpret it) because humans don't have sex simply for reproduction.

[CharlieHorse]

Guys, don't worry. I don't actually support what's in the post I made. I was trying to see what sort of argument the pro-side could have. And how you guys would respond.

[Guillermo]

Whomever (or whatever in this case) you like or have feelings for is none of my business. If someone only likes little children then so be it. If someone likes animals then so be it. But it crosses the line when an adult has sex with a young child. The young child really isn't mentally, sexually, or physically developed as of yet. In other words, they really have no idea of what consent is. The same goes for animals - except that they will never know what consent means on a human to human level. If you have sex with animals, just as with young children, you've basically raped another living being. No matter if it winks at you or kicks its hooves up and down. Furthermore, having sex with an animal should carry out the same punishment as molesting/raping a child, in my opinion.

[TheBigUnit]

Omg! Someone does something taboo! Shun! Shun! Tell them they're fucked up! Tell their supporters they're pathetic! Hate! Burn! Kill! Rawr!
Exactly!!! Was about to growl lol
You know, instead of calling someone pathetic, which doesn't contribute to the discussion in the least, you could actually provide an argument and support your opinion.
What really can I say that hasnt been said, listen having having sexual relationships with other animals should never happen and it cant happen I hope this topic doesnt flare up in the future, the worlds next marriage dilemma

[Origami]

Exactly!!! Was about to growl lol

You obviously missed my sarcasm.

[Camazotz]

What really can I say that hasnt been said, listen having having sexual relationships with other animals should never happen and it cant happen I hope this topic doesnt flare up in the future, the worlds next marriage dilemma

^ At this point, we're all just beating a dead horse (no pun intended). Both sides have presented their arguments, and surprise surprise, neither side will admit they're wrong. And I definitely agree that inter-species marriage/sex should be the last of our future social issues.

[TheBigUnit]

You obviously missed my sarcasm.

O did I?

[kenoloor]

What really can I say that hasnt been said

then why the fuck are you posting?

[TheBigUnit]

then why the fuck are you posting?

To share my opinion on the manner, you wanted me to articulate more and I did, happy now?

[kenoloor]

To share my opinion on the manner, you wanted me to articulate more and I did, happy now?

uh sure, but I still don't understand the purpose of your first post besides taking your chance at insulting something that's different than what you're accustomed to.

[TheBigUnit]

uh sure, but I still don't understand the purpose of your first post besides taking your chance at insulting something that's different than what you're accustomed to.

Was kinda suprised Sargent threeface supported zoophilia in all honesty.

to tell you the truth I feel like if this will be a topic in the outside world lets say 40 years from now ill be all up at arms against any zoophilia recognition kinda like your homophobic old people of today

[kenoloor]

Was kinda suprised Sargent threeface supported zoophilia in all honesty.

to tell you the truth I feel like if this will be a topic in the outside world lets say 40 years from now ill be all up at arms against any zoophilia recognition kinda like your homophobic old people of today

the fact that you're comparing yourself to people who use irrational and baseless arguments should be a bit of a clue...

[TheBigUnit]

the fact that you're comparing yourself to people who use irrational and baseless arguments should be a bit of a clue...

of what really?

[kenoloor]

of what really?

your argument being irrational and baseless.

[ajp1993]

Seriously?
I know people have weird fetishes, but a guy wanting to do stuff with a horse??? WTF!
Its illegal, and surely morally wrong.
I hope this is just part of some joke. But if not, its probably best to keep your fantasies just that and not to act on them

[kenoloor]

Seriously?
I know people have weird fetishes, but a guy wanting to do stuff with a horse??? WTF!
Its illegal, and surely morally wrong.
I hope this is just part of some joke. But if not, its probably best to keep your fantasies just that and not to act on them

Good job supporting your opinion. Did you just come here to "wtf" at people?

[britishboy]

this like incest, is wrong and fucking disgusting

[Origami]

this like incest, is wrong and fucking disgusting

To each his own. You have no right to deem what is disgusting or wrong for someone else.

[britishboy]

To each his own. You have no right to deem what is disgusting or wrong for someone else.

yes I do... freedom of speech is the right and its honestly disgusting

[Sugaree]

yes I do... freedom of speech is the right and its honestly disgusting

You have no right to tell someone it's disgusting though. Part of free speech is allowing someone else to have their own opinions and to be tolerant of that opinion. You're such a statist that it's fucking funny.

[Origami]

yes I do... freedom of speech is the right and its honestly disgusting

It's the right to say what you want. Not to decide it for others. (; Reread what I said.

So much for the VT community being accepting and productive. This thread alone has shown how accepting most of you kiddos really aren't. That is what is honestly disgusting.

[MickeyMouse]

My point is that things change and just because psychiatrists say it's a mental disorder doesn't mean it is or will remain as such. It's nothing more than socially unacceptable. It is, in fact, cruel to animals, but to say it is a mental disorder is imposing on the individuals sexual freedom.

We're all entitled to like/love what we will, bottom line.

erm, you do realise that deviation from social norms is infact a definition of mental abnormality...


And for the record, people don't have to be accepting of everything, the world would be in chaos if this was the case. having a sexual attraction to an animal is seen as wrong, in the eyes of both psychology and biology, so in fact, who are you to say it's right? the fact is that its not accepted, and won't be, there's no point arguing against the majority here, especially when you've got no convincing argument at all.

[Origami]

erm, you do realise that deviation from social norms is infact a definition of mental abnormality...


And for the record, people don't have to be accepting of everything, the world would be in chaos if this was the case. having a sexual attraction to an animal is seen as wrong, in the eyes of both psychology and biology, so in fact, who are you to say it's right? the fact is that its not accepted, and won't be, there's no point arguing against the majority here, especially when you've got no convincing argument at all.

I'm not talking about the world. I'm talking about the amount of blatant bashing in a thread on a site of "accepting" people. And I never said it was right. I word-for-word said that I do not condone the actions of Zoophiles.

[Camazotz]

erm, you do realise that deviation from social norms is infact a definition of mental abnormality...


And for the record, people don't have to be accepting of everything, the world would be in chaos if this was the case. having a sexual attraction to an animal is seen as wrong, in the eyes of both psychology and biology, so in fact, who are you to say it's right? the fact is that its not accepted, and won't be, there's no point arguing against the majority here, especially when you've got no convincing argument at all.

I agree with this. Society decides what's acceptable and what's unacceptable, and as of right now, zoophilia is wrong. Maybe that'll change in the future, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

I'm not talking about the world. I'm talking about the amount of blatant bashing in a thread on a site of "accepting" people. And I never said it was right. I word-for-word said that I do not condone the actions of Zoophiles.

You do realize VT is full of teenagers? With many different beliefs and lifestyles? Did you honestly think this was a utopian community full of respectable people?

[Sugaree]

You do realize VT is full of teenagers? With many different beliefs and lifestyles? Did you honestly think this was a utopian community full of respectable people?

This is pretty much what I believe, but to defend Josh's point, a lot of people on this site (not giving specifics since I'm in enough trouble already) claim to be open minded or otherwise tolerant of different beliefs. This thread has refuted that claim.

[Camazotz]

This is pretty much what I believe, but to defend Josh's point, a lot of people on this site (not giving specifics since I'm in enough trouble already) claim to be open minded or otherwise tolerant of different beliefs. This thread has refuted that claim.

Ain't that the truth.

[Silicate Wielder]

you're into zoophilia too? Well that's cool.

Anyway. It's a fetish, no helping what fetishes you have. If you like it there really isn't any way of changing that.

I woudn't act on it where it is illegal, atleast.

[teen.jpg]

Is it wrong? Not necessarily.
Should you act on it? No.

You can express your fetish in a different way, like role play.

[Jess]

You can't help but be that way. I won't judge you on that, even if I personally find it a little...um disgusting (but that's just me - I won't tell you that it is, I'll keep the opinion to myself. Apologies of this offends anyone.). But to each their own; as I already said, if you're like this, that's that - I am accepting. That's my thought on this.

[CharlieHorse]

How about everyone do what they like?

[MickeyMouse]

How about everyone do what they like?


It doesn't work like that, that's why we have laws and morals

[Stronk Serb]

Do it where it is legal. I am not into it, but I won't judge anyone who does that, unless the animal is injured, then that's wrong. Both the animal and the human should be safe.

[kenoloor]

This is pretty much what I believe, but to defend Josh's point, a lot of people on this site (not giving specifics since I'm in enough trouble already) claim to be open minded or otherwise tolerant of different beliefs. This thread has refuted that claim.

Considering what a high percentage of VT's population has been discriminated against, bullied, hated, marginalized, or otherwise abused, I would have hoped that you people would be more accepting and less judgmental. I'm extremely disappointed in VT.

[Guillermo]

I would have to agree with the poster above that said this is a site where people from all different kinds of backgrounds come together - nevermind the fact that this a website for teens. I mean, I'm sorry, but homosexuals still face discrimination and prejudice in societies - and they can't fucking help that either. So do you really think that people will come in here and say that they are totally accepting of it and wouldn't mind if people practiced it whilst it was only 50-60 years ago that one could be criminalized for doing a homosexual act and only 12 years ago when the first country legalized gay marriage? I certainly hope not - because your expectations are way off. Zoophilia is still an extremely taboo subject today that not many people accept; even in a more modern and accepting society than ever before. As I said before, I'm not going to bash or even disapprove of the fetish for animals because who you like is none of my business in the first place. But it's not my cup of tea at all and I find it disgusting, personally. And I definitely do not believe that it is acceptable for humans to have sex with animals simply drawing from the premise that there is no way of consenting - just as with young children.

Also, everyone should know that some people in the ROTW post only their opinions that are backed by morals and beliefs, which again, draws back to the point that there are many people with different backgrounds and beliefs; and sometimes these backgrounds and beliefs tend to also draw back upon what the majority of society thinks or believes in, which can translate to intolerance of certain subjects. Even though an opinion is like an anus and everyone has one, people will still voice their beliefs and ideas on a subject. Though, I have to say, I do encourage helping people to think about these things in a different light, which I'm glad to see that some of you have done.