Debate: Racism

[Jay_Swagg_LOL]

Personally I think my kind (African Americans) beg for too much, or so it seems. ex- All white kids on a commercial, "why no black kids on there!" Don't think I mean I hate my race, I know some people would say that from looking at this thread but I'm not I'm just open minded. My family talks about me sometime because I have and hang out with Caucasian friends. It is not too serious but still smh.

I think some Caucasians are not all that races, I think there is really only a small percentage that are races personally. Them some people come around and say unnecessary things like (and African American children) "I don't think my teacher like me (white/black).) SMH.

One thing that not many people have noticed. African Americans and White people are always being put as the racism group but, African Americans were not the only people who were slaves. Other races were also being made slaves (smh) yet they stay out of the main racism circle. So people make stereotypes (smh) about those same races. It can be any race but all races have 5 or more stereotypes.

People just need to come together as a community no matter where you are. People should not be defined by their skin color, or body. We are all
equal.

EDIT: Due to certain reasons I change my statement that "African Americans ask for to much." I have realized the ignorance in that statement. The reason why African Americans talk so much of our history is because that is what we look back on for our strength today in the present. Everything has something that it pulls its strength from. That is ours, that is our source. Some have even said "black people dont wanna apply themselves so that stay in the ghetto because its easier." No we do not, we are not all accepted into the world completely therefore some of us strive for a more successful life. You might think that African Americans like the ghetto because of rap music. If so you are much too ignorant for this world. People like 2pac are people I respect. I look up to him because he spoke and stood for truth. Racism will only get someone only so far, but being wise will you get you a successful life.

I also do not agree when I said "I believe Caucasians are least racist." I say that because I live in a nonracist area. I have just seen a video, this video in fact http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZCPhKjhPxA that changed my mind. Thank you for posting this video on this thread, you know who you are. This video opened my eyes. This world still has much evolving to do. We have barely evolved at all. Sure we have fancy computers, but we need to go back to our roots and relearn our way of life as a people.

EDIT: Due to certain comments I feel the need to post this definition.
"To speak wisely means to be able to speak of things in equal terms. To not speak in a biest manner. To be wise means to have it in your head that everything is equal. Nothing is too small or too big for growth."

[tovaris]

We are all equal anyway what diference does the colour of someones skin ot their sculs shape make? No diference, we are all paopoe and are all equal.

[Cicero]

It's annoying how tv has to have a white person, gay person, black person, handicapped person, etc.

We cannot please every race, if so, there'd be a black, Asian, white, Indian, Italian, English, etc. person.

People have become to politically correct now a days. If you tell some stupid racist joke, some sensitive pussy would just go cry about it and sue you. It'd be another thing if you were disrespectful to that person directly or being rude to them directly though

If a tv show has all white people, great! Who cares. If it has all blacks, great! Who cares. They think adding a black person will reach it to new crowds when it doesn't, it's a black person. Who gives a fuck, they're just like a white person, but black.

[PinkFloyd]

Yeah, I hear you...

[Camazotz]

People just need to come together as a community no matter where you are. People should not be defined by their skin color, or body. We are all equal.

This was the only thing I really understood about your post. And I agree with you.

It's annoying how tv has to have a white person, gay person, black person, handicapped person, etc.

We cannot please every race, if so, there'd be a black, Asian, white, Indian, Italian, English, etc. person.

Multiculturalism appeases a wider and more general audience than an all-white or all-black cast (think Tyler Perry). People act like it doesn't make a difference, but statistically, it makes sense for companies to represent several races. For some reason, more people will buy products or watch television/movies with multiple races.

People have become to politically correct now a days. If you tell some stupid racist joke, some sensitive pussy would just go cry about it and sue you.

1. You cannot be sued for telling a joke: arrested? Maybe (depending if it's in public causing a disturbance). But not sued.

2. Some racist jokes are reminders of a time where certain races/cultures weren't respected. These can (understandably) make people upset, such as joking about hanging and lynch blacks- there's absolutely nothing funny about that (although if it's less serious and is about fried chicken or watermelon, then it's not as bad).

3. If you're telling a joke, know your audience: don't go into "the hood" expecting people to laugh at jokes about how black people are dumb. This is just common sense. It sounds like you don't know about controlling yourself in public and cannot discern between "acceptable" and "unacceptable" jokes. I can't go into work spewing racist or sexist remarks/comments/jokes.

[likemike]

If every race is equal then groups like the kkk, naacp ect should shut down. Also minority scholarships should stop. No special treatment

[teen.jpg]

It's annoying how tv has to have a white person, gay person, black person, handicapped person, etc.

We cannot please every race, if so, there'd be a black, Asian, white, Indian, Italian, English, etc. person.

People have become to politically correct now a days. If you tell some stupid racist joke, some sensitive pussy would just go cry about it and sue you. It'd be another thing if you were disrespectful to that person directly or being rude to them directly though

If a tv show has all white people, great! Who cares. If it has all blacks, great! Who cares. They think adding a black person will reach it to new crowds when it doesn't, it's a black person. Who gives a fuck, they're just like a white person, but black.

Dude, the world will NEVER work that way, and I know that you know that.

If every race is equal then groups like the kkk, naacp ect should shut down. Also minority scholarships should stop. No special treatment

The KKK and the NAACP are 2 VERY different organizations with two VERY different ways to go about their operations.

KKK kills people, while the NAACP tries to stay away from violence. A more comparable one would be KKK and the Black Panthers, which are both pretty bad.

Anyway, there shouldn't HAVE to be minority privileges or scholarships, but think of it this way; in what way has a minority EVER had an advantage, at anything really.

It may sound stupid, but most places are run by white people. Minorities get the short end of the stick.

[Cicero]

Dude, the world will NEVER work that way, and I know that you know that.



The KKK and the NAACP are 2 VERY different organizations with two VERY different ways to go about their operations.

KKK kills people, while the NAACP tries to stay away from violence. A more comparable one would be KKK and the Black Panthers, which are both pretty bad.

Anyway, there shouldn't HAVE to be minority privileges or scholarships, but think of it this way; in what way has a minority EVER had an advantage, at anything really.

It may sound stupid, but most places are run by white people. Minorities get the short end of the stick.

Not any more. Not for the past 30 years

[teen.jpg]

Not any more. Not for the past 30 years

Well hasn't someone been living under a rock?

You may have all the "evidence" you'd like to prove your point, but minorities have ALWAYS gotten the worst of a bad situation. Just look at history, and you'd see how bad we have/had it.

Yes, things are getting MUCH better, but it's not nearly equal. And probably won't be for a very long time.

[Cicero]

Well hasn't someone been living under a rock?

You may have all the "evidence" you'd like to prove your point, but minorities have ALWAYS gotten the worst of a bad situation. Just look at history, and you'd see how bad we have/had it.

Yes, things are getting MUCH better, but it's not nearly equal. And probably won't be for a very long time.

You're right. Minorities are treated much better. I don't understand how blacks are minorities, there are a ton of blacks, especially Mexicans. You can't go anywhere without seeing a José Cuervo

[likemike]

Dude, the world will NEVER work that way, and I know that you know that.



The KKK and the NAACP are 2 VERY different organizations with two VERY different ways to go about their operations.

KKK kills people, while the NAACP tries to stay away from violence. A more comparable one would be KKK and the Black Panthers, which are both pretty bad.

Anyway, there shouldn't HAVE to be minority privileges or scholarships, but think of it this way; in what way has a minority EVER had an advantage, at anything really.

It may sound stupid, but most places are run by white people. Minorities get the short end of the stick.

I think the amount of racism varies from place to place like where i am(tennesse) there is a ton of racism so i could see where minority grant would be nessesary but not so much where im from(california)

[teen.jpg]

You're right. Minorities are treated much better. I don't understand how blacks are minorities, there are a ton of blacks, especially Mexicans. You can't go anywhere without seeing a José Cuervo

Do you not know what minority means? A minority is anyone that isn't part of the majority, which is white people, making blacks and hispanics minorities.

"there are a ton of blacks, especially Mexicans." Mexicans aren't black, they're hispanic :huh:

[Cicero]

Do you not know what minority means? A minority is anyone that isn't part of the majority, which is white people, making blacks and hispanics minorities.

"there are a ton of blacks, especially Mexicans." Mexicans aren't black, they're hispanic :huh:

I know, I was just saying, there's a ton of blacks, especially Mexicans.

Go down to the getto, 99% of them are either black or Mexican. They basically own the ghetto, and many ghettos are large.

[likemike]

You're right. Minorities are treated much better. I don't understand how blacks are minorities, there are a ton of blacks, especially Mexicans. You can't go anywhere without seeing a José Cuervo

You cant group every person with brown skin as black. Black people come from all over. And every latino and hispanic person as mexican

[Sugaree]

Not any more. Not for the past 30 years

You're right. Minorities are treated much better. I don't understand how blacks are minorities, there are a ton of blacks, especially Mexicans. You can't go anywhere without seeing a José Cuervo

I know, I was just saying, there's a ton of blacks, especially Mexicans.

Go down to the getto, 99% of them are either black or Mexican. They basically own the ghetto, and many ghettos are large.

Everything you say in this thread has zero credibility. You admitted recently that you're a racist anyway, why are you trying?

[teen.jpg]

I know, I was just saying, there's a ton of blacks, especially Mexicans.

Go down to the getto, 99% of them are either black or Mexican. They basically own the ghetto, and many ghettos are large.

What is that supposed to mean?

[Gigablue]

I know, I was just saying, there's a ton of blacks, especially Mexicans.

Go down to the getto, 99% of them are either black or Mexican. They basically own the ghetto, and many ghettos are large.

A group doesn't have to be a numerical minority to be considered a minority group. The term refers to the disparity of power between groups, not actual numbers. While the two usually go together, they don't always. Ex. Women are sometimes considered a minority, despite being half the population, because men hold most of the positions of power.

That being said, your facts are wrong. Blacks are numerically in the minority. In the US they are only 12% of the population.

[likemike]

I know, I was just saying, there's a ton of blacks, especially Mexicans.

Go down to the getto, 99% of them are either black or Mexican. They basically own the ghetto, and many ghettos are large.

A ghetto*is a part of a city in which members of a*minority group*live, especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure.The term was originally used*in Venice*to describe the part of a city to which Jews were restricted and segregated. So of course 99% of people in a ghetto are a certain ethnicity that is what the word ghetto means.

[Cicero]

What is that supposed to mean?
Most everyone in "the hood" are black or Mexican.
Everything you say in this thread has zero credibility. You admitted recently that you're a racist anyway, why are you trying?
I'm not racist against blacks or most Mexicans. I'm racist against most Arabs, and it's for good reason.
A group doesn't have to be a numerical minority to be considered a minority group. The term refers to the disparity of power between groups, not actual numbers. While the two usually go together, they don't always. Ex. Women are sometimes considered a minority, despite being half the population, because men hold most of the positions of power.

That being said, your facts are wrong. Blacks are numerically in the minority. In the US they are only 12% of the population.
Oh. Didnt know that
A ghetto*is a part of a city in which members of a*minority group*live, especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure.The term was originally used*in Venice*to describe the part of a city to which Jews were restricted and segregated. So of course 99% of people in a ghetto are a certain ethnicity that is what the word ghetto means.
That's what it used to mean. It doesn't anymore.

[likemike]

Most everyone in "the hood" are black or Mexican.

I'm not racist against blacks or most Mexicans. I'm racist against most Arabs, and it's for good reason.

Oh. Didnt know that

That's what it used to mean. It doesn't anymore.

You said yourself that blacks and mexicans own the hood. They are a minority group. That is what it means

[Sugaree]

I'm not racist against blacks or most Mexicans. I'm racist against most Arabs, and it's for good reason.

Sorry to break it to you hun, but a racist is a racist. You're scum either way.

[carli]

This post is pretty spot on. I'm curious, do you agree with what Morgan Freeman said on Black History Month?
"I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history."
?

[likemike]

This post is pretty spot on. I'm curious, do you agree with what Morgan Freeman said on Black History Month?
"I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history."
?

I agree considering that america rose in power on the backs of slaves

[Cicero]

Sorry to break it to you hun, but a racist is a racist. You're scum either way.

Well, I'm alright being racist against most Arabs. Cause many people agree with me that I've talked to.

[tovaris]

Most everyone in "the hood" are black or Mexican.

I'm not racist against blacks or most Mexicans. I'm racist against most Arabs, and it's for good reason.

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Arabs are of the same race as indoeuropeans, there is also no mexican race.
Thats plane nationalistic not racist, ether way bad and not exeptable, we are all equal.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

The difference between races is only skin-deep (for the most part)
We are still (currently) Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

[tovaris]

The difference between races is only skin-deep (for the most part)
We are still (currently) Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

Exactley and we are therefor all equal.

[Harry Smith]

I'm racist against most Arabs, and it's for good reason.

Another pearl of Wisdom...

[Camazotz]

You're right. Minorities are treated much better. I don't understand how blacks are minorities, there are a ton of blacks, especially Mexicans. You can't go anywhere without seeing a José Cuervo

Umm, no. There is nothing correct about this statement. See below...

Do you not know what minority means? A minority is anyone that isn't part of the majority, which is white people, making blacks and hispanics minorities.

"there are a ton of blacks, especially Mexicans." Mexicans aren't black, they're hispanic :huh:



I know, I was just saying, there's a ton of blacks, especially Mexicans.

Go down to the getto, 99% of them are either black or Mexican. They basically own the ghetto, and many ghettos are large.

That's not due to race, that's due to socio-economic reasons. Most Hispanics and blacks have not been raised in suburbs or received good educations. They (not all, just the ones you're referring to) are from urban, inner-city environments, and do not receive the same opportunities that we do. We're not as exposed to gangs, drugs, etc.

I'm not racist against blacks or most Mexicans. I'm racist against most Arabs, and it's for good reason.

Well, I'm alright being racist against most Arabs. Cause many people agree with me that I've talked to.

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Sorry to break it to you hun, but a racist is a racist. You're scum either way.

I agree with this. You're racist and your ability to think logically with an open-mind (or lack thereof) and your opinions aren't/shouldn't be respected concerning race.



I'm curious, do you agree with what Morgan Freeman said on Black History Month?
"I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history."
?

I completely disagree. A lot of white teens that I've grown around agree with this for two reasons.

1. He's Morgan Freeman
2. They don't understand

Morgan Freeman doesn't want to acknowledge race at all, and wants people to look at all people the same. And I don't agree with that. Different cultures and races have a past; WASP's didn't suffer from slavery, violence, or legal injustice the way blacks did (and that's only in American history for the past couple hundred years, let alone how Africans suffered from imperialist Europe). WASP's don't have a past filled with suffering.

I don't think people understand why Black History month was created. At the time (1970's), acknowledgments of black influence in American society was limited to "jazz to rock and roll." The entire American culture ignored the thousands of other ways black historical figures and African culture have influenced us. And due to the creation of this holiday, these ideas are now part of the normal curriculum for the classroom (and what would Morgan Freeman know about this? He hasn't been in school about 60 years).

Today, Black History Month has evolved to not just teach the inventions and influence of African-Americans throughout America's history, but also as a remembrance of what they suffered, how they were suppressed, how they were bought and sold as property, and everything that all these ideas represent. It's a reminder to treat everyone with dignity and respect regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc.

This is SO important because even today we have debates over gay rights, among many other things (such as why Cicero hates Arabs?) Black History Month isn't just "a month dedicated to learning about black people." No, it's so much more than that. If you can understand its importance, you can see why I feel this way.

[Cygnus]

Im starting to not like this Cicero guy, I am white and have grown up alongside blacks, indians, arabs, hispanics, and other whites when I lived in both Venezuela and Colombia, your race does not limit you in any way, we are equal and should treat others like that.

[survivorguilt]

There are multiple problems at play here. First off we have people, like some in this thread, thinking that the other problems don't exist, which is a sort of meta-problem. Secondly, we have a high concentration of minorities populating the lower classes. Thirdly, unconscious prejudice has overridden logic in many non-minorities and they will unconsciously propagate the problems. For the first problem, there is nothing we can do but try to educate, but of course there will be those predisposed to resisting education. For the second, I believe, and I may take flak for this, that we should not attack the race issue but the poverty issue. We need to take a proactive approach to alleviating the stress of poverty, while still making sure there aren't those gaming the system, which occurs frequently with individual government aid. Lastly, for the issue of unconscious prejudice, I'm not sure what we can do. It is so strongly integrated in human nature that I believe that the only way to stop a person from developing with racist attitudes would be to remove them from racist environments in their youth, although governmental commandeering of the youth would be unconstitutional.

[Cicero]

Im starting to not like this Cicero guy, I am white and have grown up alongside blacks, indians, arabs, hispanics, and other whites when I lived in both Venezuela and Colombia, your race does not limit you in any way, we are equal and should treat others like that.

Great to know. Im not your biggest fan either. I just posted my honest opinion.

I do treat others equally. I'm nice to all. I just prefer not being around Arabs cause I don't know what they could do. In fact, when I went to my cousins house, his wife invited an Arab to stay over without him knowing, I shook his hand politely and nodded my head, I wasn't rude to him. I just wasn't hanging out with him being his best friend. I kept my distance, but I didn't make him feel like I was avoiding him like the plague.

When my cousin and dad went outside, my cousin said "Ah crap, now I've gotta search him making sure he doesn't have a bomb", not like he was gonna really do it. It was just a partial joke, but he was alert while he stayed at his house, he was also a little mad at his wife.

[Sugaree]

I do treat others equally. I'm nice to all. I just prefer not being around Arabs cause I don't know what they could do.

That's not being nice to everyone. Shut the fuck up for a second and think before you type something.

[Snookers]

I think it's in human nature.
If you were going in a foreign country, wouldn't you be more relaxed, and feeling more safe if you would find people from you country/race there?
I think this instinct that is within human nature, of felling more secure around our kind and protecting our territory is what triggers racism.
We must learn to combat these instincts and be more open minded. We share this planet with alot of races and cultures.
I believe that education is the key. If children would learn from an early age to respect and accept people that are different and to look beyond stereotypes will give humans a lot more advantages.

[likemike]

I think it's in human nature.
If you were going in a foreign country, wouldn't you be more relaxed, and feeling more safe if you would find people from you country/race there?
I think this instinct that is within human nature, of felling more secure around our kind and protecting our territory is what triggers racism.
We must learn to combat these instincts and be more open minded. We share this planet with alot of races and cultures.
I believe that education is the key. If children would learn from an early age to respect and accept people that are different and to look beyond stereotypes will give humans a lot more advantages.

Racism is believing one race is superior

[Snookers]

Racism is believing one race is superior

The definition of racism itself is controversial. While your definition of racism is relatively correct. Racism can also be manifested as the rejection or disliking of other ethnic groups.

[likemike]

The definition of racism itself is controversial. While your definition of racism is relatively correct. Racism can also be manifested as the rejection or disliking of other ethnic groups.

I dont see how rejecting one race or beliving your own race is superior is going to make you feel better in a foriegn country

[Snookers]

I dont see how rejecting one race or beliving your own race is superior is going to make you feel better in a foriegn country

I never said that.
I was stating that people feel more comfortable when they are surrounded by their kind. It's in human nature to stick around those who are like you.

But of course I am talking generally. Not everyone is racist.

[Professional Russian]

Dude, the world will NEVER work that way, and I know that you know that.



The KKK and the NAACP are 2 VERY different organizations with two VERY different ways to go about their operations.

KKK kills people, while the NAACP tries to stay away from violence. A more comparable one would be KKK and the Black Panthers, which are both pretty bad.

Anyway, there shouldn't HAVE to be minority privileges or scholarships, but think of it this way; in what way has a minority EVER had an advantage, at anything really.

It may sound stupid, but most places are run by white people. Minorities get the short end of the stick.
The Klan hasn't killed for years. All they do is burn crosses

[Human]

There have been a few personal insults thrown around
Please make this civilized...

[likemike]

I never said that.
I was stating that people feel more comfortable when they are surrounded by their kind. It's in human nature to stick around those who are like you.

But of course I am talking generally. Not everyone is racist.

Maybe its like that in Europe but america is really diverse

[Cygnus]

Great to know. Im not your biggest fan either. I just posted my honest opinion.

I do treat others equally. I'm nice to all. I just prefer not being around Arabs cause I don't know what they could do. In fact, when I went to my cousins house, his wife invited an Arab to stay over without him knowing, I shook his hand politely and nodded my head, I wasn't rude to him. I just wasn't hanging out with him being his best friend. I kept my distance, but I didn't make him feel like I was avoiding him like the plague.

When my cousin and dad went outside, my cousin said "Ah crap, now I've gotta search him making sure he doesn't have a bomb", not like he was gonna really do it. It was just a partial joke, but he was alert while he stayed at his house, he was also a little mad at his wife.

Seriously? Keep your distance? WOW you are immediately assuming that because they are arabs they are terrorists, racism is racism, you are scum. I have arab friends and we do sports, go to parties, and hang out, they do not have any sort of harmful stuff. You do not treat others equally when you are like "oh shit better keep my distance in case they have a bomb".

[Miserabilia]

Seriously? Keep your distance? WOW you are immediately assuming that because they are arabs they are terrorists, racism is racism, you are scum. I have arab friends and we do sports, go to parties, and hang out, they do not have any sort of harmful stuff. You do not treat others equally when you are like "oh shit better keep my distance in case they have a bomb".
OMG IKR! That guy is totally racist.

[Cicero]

Seriously? Keep your distance? WOW you are immediately assuming that because they are arabs they are terrorists, racism is racism, you are scum. I have arab friends and we do sports, go to parties, and hang out, they do not have any sort of harmful stuff. You do not treat others equally when you are like "oh shit better keep my distance in case they have a bomb".

At least I don't ignore them like many others I know

It's not hurtful if I keep my distance cause they wouldn't know.

[Rayquaza]

Racism will always exist. Whether it's downright racism as in being rude to other races, or prejudice like the poster above.

Prejudice against other races is just as bad as Racism. There's no way of justifying that, no matter how much you can try and use other people as a scapegoat.

[StoppingTime]

Racism will always exist. Whether it's downright racism as in being rude to other races, or prejudice like the poster above.

Prejudice against other races is just as bad as Racism. There's no way of justifying that, no matter how much you can try and use other people as a scapegoat.

This. Racism will exist no matter how much a person tries to rationalize racism. That's the thing, though. Racism and race superiority is not rational. There's no rational logic in saying, "Oh well I don't like to be near X race because some of the people who follow a religion [pro tip, don't confuse race and religion, they're incredibly different] are harmful people and who knows maybe this person is too.
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Why is that a stupid argument, you may be asking yourself? Because no race, ethnicity, or religion is perfect.
There are hateful Christians who want to kill people.
There are hateful Jews who want to kill people.
There are hateful Muslims (some of whom may be Arab, but certainly not all - look at Nidal Hassan) who want to kill people.
There are hateful white people who want to kill people.
There are hateful black people who want to kill people.
..And the list goes on and on until you've named every race, religion, and ethnicity you can think of.


And sometimes, these people succeed. Sometimes they don't, though, but the thought and intention is still there.

So to say "I don't want to be near them/whatever you're trying to cover up saying because they're dangerous" is illogical, as explained above.

[comical]

KKK kills people, while the NAACP tries to stay away from violence. A more comparable one would be KKK and the Black Panthers, which are both pretty bad.

HIGHLY incorrect. Through media sources and educational literature, we're only given negative aspects about the Black Panther Party. Although there were some violent sides to the BPP, but it was not entirely violent and it shouldn't be portrayed as so.

We are never told about the positive contributions of the BPP. I bet none of you knew that the BPP were the first to implement FREE breakfast for public schools. Also, they had public housing and lots of community outreach programs in lower-income areas. The BPP was also a major advocate for not only the advancement of Black people but Black women and all women.

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The Klan hasn't killed for years. All they do is burn crosses

Look deeply in the news. You're not going to see anything about a black person getting killed on the headlines, but if you look more in-depth you'll find a lot more than you think. The KKK were involved in two, maybe more incidents in 2012.

Look at this one from 2011: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZCPhKjhPxA

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Great to know. Im not your biggest fan either. I just posted my honest opinion.

I do treat others equally. I'm nice to all. I just prefer not being around Arabs cause I don't know what they could do. In fact, when I went to my cousins house, his wife invited an Arab to stay over without him knowing, I shook his hand politely and nodded my head, I wasn't rude to him. I just wasn't hanging out with him being his best friend. I kept my distance, but I didn't make him feel like I was avoiding him like the plague.

When my cousin and dad went outside, my cousin said "Ah crap, now I've gotta search him making sure he doesn't have a bomb", not like he was gonna really do it. It was just a partial joke, but he was alert while he stayed at his house, he was also a little mad at his wife.

I honestly pity you for your ignorance.

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Racism is a subconscious of America. This country was founded on racist principles. We can try, and we can try, but it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

[Wesl3y]

Dude, the world will NEVER work that way, and I know that you know that.



The KKK and the NAACP are 2 VERY different organizations with two VERY different ways to go about their operations.

KKK kills people, while the NAACP tries to stay away from violence. A more comparable one would be KKK and the Black Panthers, which are both pretty bad.

Anyway, there shouldn't HAVE to be minority privileges or scholarships, but think of it this way; in what way has a minority EVER had an advantage, at anything really.

It may sound stupid, but most places are run by white people. Minorities get the short end of the stick.

You need to look at the background of the black panthers, because you sound very ignorant.

Well hasn't someone been living under a rock?

You may have all the "evidence" you'd like to prove your point, but minorities have ALWAYS gotten the worst of a bad situation. Just look at history, and you'd see how bad we have/had it.

Yes, things are getting MUCH better, but it's not nearly equal. And probably won't be for a very long time.

This is very typical of a black person to say, always saying look at history. Instead of looking at history, look at now. Our president is "black", minorities are becoming more successful, people are giving us chances. But on of the things that pisses me off the most, is black people wanting to remember where they came from. I have black family who always tell me remember where you came from. They live in the ghetto and refuse to become successful, because they still view living at the same standard as whites forgetting that you are black. My family members are upset I go to a better school than the inner city schools they attended and wish I would subject myself to a lesser education because that us where more black people go. In order for black people to stop being so quick to accuse people of being racist, they need I improve themselves as a whole. Maybe there aren't as many blacks in tv because living in the ghetto, selling drugs is an easier and more accepted way of earring income than attending a university run by whites is forgetting your roots. Blacks in the unites states are keeping themselves in bad situations because they are told by their elders constantly that the white world doesn't accept blacks from the ghetto because they will always be a part if the ghetto. So these kids give up in becoming successful, because that's what their friends, family and neighbors do. It's all these people know. So for blacks specifically, they do hold themselves back, they still believe they live in a racist world and refuse to rise above the stereotypes they created. If blacks would educate themselves and make something of themselves, the world would recognize them as more that a downtrodden minority.


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This is very typical of a black person to say, always saying look at history. Instead of looking at history, look at now. Our president is "black", minorities are becoming more successful, people are giving us chances. But on of the things that pisses me off the most, is black people wanting to remember where they came from. I have black family who always tell me remember where you came from. They live in the ghetto and refuse to become successful, because they still view living at the same standard as whites forgetting that you are black. My family members are upset I go to a better school than the inner city schools they attended and wish I would subject myself to a lesser education because that us where more black people go. In order for black people to stop being so quick to accuse people of being racist, they need I improve themselves as a whole. Maybe there aren't as many blacks in tv because living in the ghetto, selling drugs is an easier and more accepted way of earring income than attending a university run by whites is forgetting your roots. Blacks in the unites states are keeping themselves in bad situations because they are told by their elders constantly that the white world doesn't accept blacks from the ghetto because they will always be a part if the ghetto. So these kids give up in becoming successful, because that's what their friends, family and neighbors do. It's all these people know. So for blacks specifically, they do hold themselves back, they still believe they live in a racist world and refuse to rise above the stereotypes they created. If blacks would educate themselves and make something of themselves, the world would recognize them as more that a downtrodden minority.

That's a load of crap and you know it. Maybe people live in the ghetto because they can't afford to live anywhere else? It's not because they LIKE it.

Minorities will never have the same privileges as the majority. Sad, but true.

[britishboy]

black people are 100% equal this argument is pointless and off topic, the civil right movement is in the past and everyone is equal, the current movement is the sexuality movement

[Jay_Swagg_LOL]

black people are 100% equal this argument is pointless and off topic, the civil right movement is in the past and everyone is equal, the current movement is the sexuality movement

You speak of the American dream that has not been completely achieved.

This is very typical of a black person to say, always saying look at history. Instead of looking at history, look at now. Our president is "black", minorities are becoming more successful, people are giving us chances. But on of the things that pisses me off the most, is black people wanting to remember where they came from. I have black family who always tell me remember where you came from. They live in the ghetto and refuse to become successful, because they still view living at the same standard as whites forgetting that you are black. My family members are upset I go to a better school than the inner city schools they attended and wish I would subject myself to a lesser education because that us where more black people go. In order for black people to stop being so quick to accuse people of being racist, they need I improve themselves as a whole. Maybe there aren't as many blacks in tv because living in the ghetto, selling drugs is an easier and more accepted way of earring income than attending a university run by whites is forgetting your roots. Blacks in the unites states are keeping themselves in bad situations because they are told by their elders constantly that the white world doesn't accept blacks from the ghetto because they will always be a part if the ghetto. So these kids give up in becoming successful, because that's what their friends, family and neighbors do. It's all these people know. So for blacks specifically, they do hold themselves back, they still believe they live in a racist world and refuse to rise above the stereotypes they created. If blacks would educate themselves and make something of themselves, the world would recognize them as more that a downtrodden minority.

Why are you here, this is rambling of the "wise." Let me give you an ancient definition of that word. To speak wisely means to be able to speak of things in equal terms. To not speak in a biest manner. To be wise means to have it in your head that everything is equal. Nothing is too small or too big for growth. You do not speak wisely sir, so I would ask you not to post your unwisely comments on my post please.

That's a load of crap and you know it. Maybe people live in the ghetto because they can't afford to live anywhere else? It's not because they LIKE it.

Minorities will never have the same privileges as the majority. Sad, but true.

In time there shall be a day, but for now, we await it's arrival.


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[Harry Smith]

black people are 100% equal this argument is pointless and off topic, the civil right movement is in the past and everyone is equal, the current movement is the sexuality movement

wow, sexuality movement. You've created your own movement

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black people are 100% equal this argument is pointless and off topic, the civil right movement is in the past and everyone is equal, the current movement is the sexuality movement

Aww, that's cute. You think everybody's equal!

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Originally Posted by britishboy
black people are 100% equal this argument is pointless and off topic, the civil right movement is in the past and everyone is equal, the current movement is the sexuality movement

Lol. As long as there is a difference we will never be completely equal. America was founded on racist principles. I understand that it's progress that we have a Black president, but although it does bring some hope, he's still a Black man in a White man's institution.

From the OPI also do not agree when I said "I believe Caucasians are least racist." I say that because I live in a nonracist area. I have just seen a video, this video in fact http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZCPhKjhPxA that changed my mind. Thank you for posting this video on this thread, you know who you are. This video opened my eyes. This world still has much evolving to do. We have barely evolved at all. Sure we have fancy computers, but we need to go back to our roots and relearn our way of life as a people.


You're welcome. Stuff like this never makes mainstream media, and it's sad. Hopefully one day, one day things will get better.

[britishboy]

Aww, that's cute. You think everybody's equal!

you get the few racists, but our laws and employers dont see colours, as I said its the sexuality acceptance movement

wow, sexuality movement. You've created your own movement

yeah I made it up:) but our western nations are getting to sexuality equality, the house of lords is happy and france has had its first gay wedding!

[Origami]

I just want to point out; Defending the NAACP is no different than me defending the KKK. While the NAACP doesn't directly promote racism, it does in fact still do so by catering to a single group. So long as groups like this exist, another race is being treated unequally and a resentment will be formed. So yes, both groups and those like them would have to be banned altogether.

Also, as for blacks versus whites and the infamous "N" word. You want the term to die? You hate white people using the term? Stop making it an integral part of your culture already.

[comical]

you get the few racists, but our laws and employers dont see colours, as I said its the sexuality acceptance movement


Oh really? Once you get out into the job world, you'll see that there are some employers that are just as prejudice as they were pre-CRM. Our laws may not be racist, but those who enforce them are. It has been proven that Blacks are more likely to get pulled over and searched than Whites are. It has also been proven that Blacks are more likely than Whites to be arrested and incarcerated on a drug charge than Whites are.

I just want to point out; Defending the NAACP is no different than me defending the KKK. While the NAACP doesn't directly promote racism, it does in fact still do so by catering to a single group. So long as groups like this exist, another race is being treated unequally and a resentment will be formed. So yes, both groups and those like them would have to be banned altogether.


Oh defending the NAACP is way different than defending the KKK. I understand where you're coming from about the groups catering to a specific race, but the KKK believed in violent measures and White Supremacy, while the NAACP does not. The KKK goes out killing innocent Black people, while the NAACP does not. Catering to a specific race is different than race superiority.

Also, as for blacks versus whites and the infamous "N" word. You want the term to die? You hate white people using the term? Stop making it an integral part of your culture already.

Once something has started, it's going to continue. This current generation. regardless of race or creed, are all growing up to be very naive and ignorant. The media has figured this out and is using the "N word" for their profit. The music industry is alive because of this "N word". Even if we wanted White people to stop using it, there will always be those who will continue to. That part of your post just seemed so dumb..

[Trenton_]

Why do people think whites aren't a minority?

NBA. NFL, Soccer, ghettos, spain, Cuba, China, India, South America, Africa, = not a lot of white guys. India, china have more than 2 billion people.

[comical]

Why do people think whites aren't a minority?

NBA. NFL, Soccer, ghettos, spain, Cuba, China, India, South America, Africa, = not a lot of white guys. India, china have more than 2 billion people.

When people refer to the minority/majority race, they're usually referring to the population of the US. The NBA, NFL, Soccer and lower income neighborhoods have nothing to do with it. If you look at total ethnic populations, you'll see the Whites are the majority. I'm also guessing everyone on this forum grew up in a gated community or suburban neighborhood all of their lives. If you go to one of the poverty-level or what you all call "ghettoes", they're poor people of all ethnic backgrounds.

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I just want to point out; Defending the NAACP is no different than me defending the KKK. While the NAACP doesn't directly promote racism, it does in fact still do so by catering to a single group. So long as groups like this exist, another race is being treated unequally and a resentment will be formed. So yes, both groups and those like them would have to be banned altogether.

Also, as for blacks versus whites and the infamous "N" word. You want the term to die? You hate white people using the term? Stop making it an integral part of your culture already.

Ok, this post is SO flawed.

1. The NAACP is NOTHING like the KKK. The KKK goes around and kills ALL non-whites. The NAACP tries to advance colored people. I see what you're getting at when you say there aimed at one race, and they are, but being the minority we need extra support, support we didn't have 100 years ago. Thus the NAACP was born.

2. Who the hell said anything about Blacks vs Whites? I have no opinion on that, because there isn't one to be had. I don't treat anybody differently due to their race, and it shouldn't matter what you are. Black, white, or anything else, it REALLY DOES NOT MATTER.

3. What you said about " the N word" is the most stereotypical thing I've read in a while. Don't go generalizing a race because some ignorant people choose to throw around a word that's targeted AGAINST them. Blame the individual, not the race.

You sir, are a racist.

[Origami]

Ok, this post is SO flawed.

1. The NAACP is NOTHING like the KKK. The KKK goes around and kills ALL non-whites. The NAACP tries to advance colored people. I see what you're getting at when you say there aimed at one race, and they are, but being the minority we need extra support, support we didn't have 100 years ago. Thus the NAACP was born.

2. Who the hell said anything about Blacks vs Whites? I have no opinion on that, because there isn't one to be had. I don't treat anybody differently due to their race, and it shouldn't matter what you are. Black, white, or anything else, it REALLY DOES NOT MATTER.

3. What you said about " the N word" is the most stereotypical thing I've read in a while. Don't go generalizing a race because some ignorant people choose to throw around a word that's targeted AGAINST them. Blame the individual, not the race.

You sir, are a racist.

Alright. No. The NAACP caters to ONE group. ONE race. As far as I'm concerned no group should cater to any specific race. The KKK kill non-whites, the NAACP doesn't support non-blacks. Same thing. Different approach.

And blacks versus whites? Let me just put it out there that the OP made "racism" into black versus white. Try again kiddo.

Also, I'm well aware of the "individual not the race" argument, but the individuals, unfortunately, still make up a large portion of the race. Just as racist whites still make up a large portion for us.

I have no reason to be racist kiddos. I hate individual people, not entire races.

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Alright. No. The NAACP caters to ONE group. ONE race. As far as I'm concerned no group should cater to any specific race. The KKK kill non-whites, the NAACP doesn't support non-blacks. Same thing. Different approach.

And blacks versus whites? Let me just put it out there that the OP made "racism" into black versus white. Try again kiddo.

Also, I'm well aware of the "individual not the race" argument, but the individuals, unfortunately, still make up a large portion of the race. Just as racist whites still make up a large portion for us.

I have no reason to be racist kiddos. I hate individual people, not entire races.

The NAACP isn't exclusively black people, you know. It's a mix of all people. Besides, colored people isn't only blacks, but any of the minorities in general. Just putting that out there.

And your calling a majority of blacks ignorant and whites racist? How can you possibly believe that?

[Origami]

The NAACP isn't exclusively black people, you know. It's a mix of all people. Besides, colored people isn't only blacks, but any of the minorities in general. Just putting that out there.

And your calling a majority of blacks ignorant and whites racist? How can you possibly believe that?

My argument is slightly regional. Look at my location. Yes, most black people in South Carolina sling the "N" word around freely. I wasn't implying that they were ignorant. And yes, down here, at least 6/10 white people are racist.

[likemike]

Why do people think whites aren't a minority?

NBA. NFL, Soccer, ghettos, spain, Cuba, China, India, South America, Africa, = not a lot of white guys. India, china have more than 2 billion people.

When talking about minorities it is usally within a country. Not a sport

[Rayquaza]

You sir, are a racist.

That is a really bad card to use in a debate, play the racist card because he is justifying his logic. He hasn't actually said anything racist so I have no reason why you're calling him one.

Besides, the KKK doesn't actually do that. Besides, so what if you're a minority? What help do you mean? Help as in Racism? Because that's what I'm sensing. I'm asian and we don't have anything like this.

I sit here looking at this thread and it just seems to be Black people versus White people all over again, and using the racist card and saying to someone "You sir, are a racist" as a cheap cop-out when there is evidently nothing to point him towards in that direction is not the way to go.

And I have to say that that thing regarding the N-word is quite true to an extent. Surely it may not happen to you, but the majority of those that are black do tend to use it, and then get irrirated when a white person says the word without any mean of offence whatsoever. Personally, my point of view is that the word should just be banned altogether, but it's not possible considering the obscene amount of times it is used in lyrics by black rappers and media.

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And I have to say that that thing regarding the N-word is quite true to an extent. Surely it may not happen to you, but the majority of those that are black do tend to use it, and then get irrirated when a white person says the word without any mean of offence whatsoever. Personally, my point of view is that the word should just be banned altogether, but it's not possible considering the obscene amount of times it is used in lyrics by black rappers and media.

And I don't claim those rappers or that media.

[Origami]

And I don't claim those rappers or that media.

And I don't claim the white guys who dress and associate with that lifestyle, but guess what, they still represent a portion of my race.

You can't just "not claim" part of your race in an attempt to support an argument on racism.

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And I don't claim the white guys who dress and associate with that lifestyle, but guess what, they still represent a portion of my race.

You can't just "not claim" part of your race in an attempt to support an argument on racism.

Why would I accept something that brings down a whole population of people? It's saddening, really.

[Origami]

Why would I accept something that brings down a whole population of people? It's saddening, really.

I never said you had to accept it.

You can't debate and exclude a portion of the facts. That's beyond stupid. You can't debate and only acknowledge the people who make your race look like shining role models in their community. You have to also acknowledge the ones who make you look like the rust on the bottom of the bucket. When you throw out part of the fact by saying "I don't claim them," all you really do is hurt your credibility and lose respect from your peers.

Simple truth. No matter what race, social background, or region you're from, there remains a large number, acknowledged or not, who make your group look bad. You can't just omit this in a debate.

[Jay_Swagg_LOL]

You speak of the American dream that has not been completely achieved.



Why are you here, this is rambling of the "wise." Let me give you an ancient definition of that word. To speak wisely means to be able to speak of things in equal terms. To not speak in a biest manner. To be wise means to have it in your head that everything is equal. Nothing is too small or too big for growth. You do not speak wisely sir, so I would ask you not to post your unwisely comments on my post please.



In time there shall be a day, but for now, we await it's arrival.


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When people refer to the minority/majority race, they're usually referring to the population of the US. The NBA, NFL, Soccer and lower income neighborhoods have nothing to do with it. If you look at total ethnic populations, you'll see the Whites are the majority. I'm also guessing everyone on this forum grew up in a gated community or suburban neighborhood all of their lives. If you go to one of the poverty-level or what you all call "ghettoes", they're poor people of all ethnic backgrounds.

I did not not grow up in a suburban neighborhood. I live in a ghetto. Alas they are not as bad as the media makes it seem. According to the media we are ignorant. Apperently out ghettos prove it.

[Southside]

[QUOTE=Shyy_Guii;2317563]Dude, the world will NEVER work that way, and I know that you know that.



The KKK and the NAACP are 2 VERY different organizations with two VERY different ways to go about their operations.

KKK kills people, while the NAACP tries to stay away from violence. A more comparable one would be KKK and the Black Panthers, which are both pretty bad.

Anyway, there shouldn't HAVE to be minority privileges or scholarships, but think of it this way; in what way has a minority EVER had an advantage, at anything really.

Answer this, if it was a NAAWP(National Association for the Advancement of White People) wouldnt that be racist? If their was a White Entertainment Television wouldnt that be racist? NAACP is a racist organization, dont you dare call me racist, I'm half black myself.

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[QUOTE=Shyy_Guii;2317563]Dude, the world will NEVER work that way, and I know that you know that.



The KKK and the NAACP are 2 VERY different organizations with two VERY different ways to go about their operations.

KKK kills people, while the NAACP tries to stay away from violence. A more comparable one would be KKK and the Black Panthers, which are both pretty bad.

Anyway, there shouldn't HAVE to be minority privileges or scholarships, but think of it this way; in what way has a minority EVER had an advantage, at anything really.

Answer this, if it was a NAAWP(National Association for the Advancement of White People) wouldnt that be racist? If their was a White Entertainment Television wouldnt that be racist? NAACP is a racist organization, dont you dare call me racist, I'm half black myself.

There is no NEED for a NAAWP or a WET. But if they want to make one, so be it.

[Southside]

That is a really bad card to use in a debate, play the racist card because he is justifying his logic. He hasn't actually said anything racist so I have no reason why you're calling him one.

Besides, the KKK doesn't actually do that. Besides, so what if you're a minority? What help do you mean? Help as in Racism? Because that's what I'm sensing. I'm asian and we don't have anything like this.

I sit here looking at this thread and it just seems to be Black people versus White people all over again, and using the racist card and saying to someone "You sir, are a racist" as a cheap cop-out when there is evidently nothing to point him towards in that direction is not the way to go.

And I have to say that that thing regarding the N-word is quite true to an extent. Surely it may not happen to you, but the majority of those that are black do tend to use it, and then get irrirated when a white person says the word without any mean of offence whatsoever. Personally, my point of view is that the word should just be banned altogether, but it's not possible considering the obscene amount of times it is used in lyrics by black rappers and media.

Let me go ahead and explain the N-Word to you people who dont understand it. It's two types of the N-Word, Nigga and of course Nigg**.I live in a majority black area(about 95% black), so I know the difference between the two(Im not trying to sound like a badass either). Yes, black people use the N-Word but they use it as Nigga not the racist term. Normal conversation between my friends: "Nigga you do the homework?", "Nigga lets go to the store after school". In simplified terms, black people use "Nigga" the same way a white person would use "dude" or "bro".
*NOTE* Im not trying to be racist, my apologies if it offended anyone, I just wanted to explain the difference between the two words.

[Origami]

Let me go ahead and explain the N-Word to you people who dont understand it. It's two types of the N-Word, Nigga and of course Nigg**.I live in a majority black area(about 95% black), so I know the difference between the two(Im not trying to sound like a badass either). Yes, black people use the N-Word but they use it as Nigga not the racist term. Normal conversation between my friends: "Nigga you do the homework?", "Nigga lets go to the store after school". In simplified terms, black people use "Nigga" the same way a white person would use "dude" or "bro".
*NOTE* Im not trying to be racist, my apologies if it offended anyone, I just wanted to explain the difference between the two words.

Yes, we're all aware of the difference "nigga" seems to make. But here's the thing, if a white person says "nigga," not the racist term, it is still taken in offense more often than not. I've seen it countless times to the point where white people tend to fear saying the word, in either context. That is, unless they're outwardly racist.

So is it really that there are two terms and not just a community which feels less offense when the term is used by their own?

[Fanta_Lover44]

Personally I think my kind (African Americans) beg for too much, or so it seems. ex- All white kids on a commercial, "why no black kids on there!" Don't think I mean I hate my race, I know some people would say that from looking at this thread but I'm not I'm just open minded. My family talks about me sometime because I have and hang out with Caucasian friends. It is not too serious but still smh.

I think some Caucasians are not all that races, I think there is really only a small percentage that are races personally. Them some people come around and say unnecessary things like (and African American children) "I don't think my teacher like me (white/black).) SMH.

One thing that not many people have noticed. African Americans and White people are always being put as the racism group but, African Americans were not the only people who were slaves. Other races were also being made slaves (smh) yet they stay out of the main racism circle. So people make stereotypes (smh) about those same races. It can be any race but all races have 5 or more stereotypes.

People just need to come together as a community no matter where you are. People should not be defined by their skin color, or body. We are all
equal.

EDIT: Due to certain reasons I change my statement that "African Americans ask for to much." I have realized the ignorance in that statement. The reason why African Americans talk so much of our history is because that is what we look back on for our strength today in the present. Everything has something that it pulls its strength from. That is ours, that is our source. Some have even said "black people dont wanna apply themselves so that stay in the ghetto because its easier." No we do not, we are not all accepted into the world completely therefore some of us strive for a more successful life. You might think that African Americans like the ghetto because of rap music. If so you are much too ignorant for this world. People like 2pac are people I respect. I look up to him because he spoke and stood for truth. Racism will only get someone only so far, but being wise will you get you a successful life.

I also do not agree when I said "I believe Caucasians are least racist." I say that because I live in a nonracist area. I have just seen a video, this video in fact http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZCPhKjhPxA that changed my mind. Thank you for posting this video on this thread, you know who you are. This video opened my eyes. This world still has much evolving to do. We have barely evolved at all. Sure we have fancy computers, but we need to go back to our roots and relearn our way of life as a people.

My views on this topic are strong, just because people are gay, different coloured skins or come from a different background why should we treat you differently. We should treat everyone equally and fairly, I hate people who are racist to people. It just annoys me soo much.

[Rayquaza]

Let me go ahead and explain the N-Word to you people who dont understand it. It's two types of the N-Word, Nigga and of course Nigg**.I live in a majority black area(about 95% black), so I know the difference between the two(Im not trying to sound like a badass either). Yes, black people use the N-Word but they use it as Nigga not the racist term. Normal conversation between my friends: "Nigga you do the homework?", "Nigga lets go to the store after school". In simplified terms, black people use "Nigga" the same way a white person would use "dude" or "bro".
*NOTE* Im not trying to be racist, my apologies if it offended anyone, I just wanted to explain the difference between the two words.

They're the same word, you can't justify its use by saying that its dependent on how you pronounce it.

Technically the word will always be "N***ə" because of the neutral schwa sound, even though it's spelt different ways, it's still the same word.

[Jay_Swagg_LOL]

They're the same word, you can't justify its use by saying that its dependent on how you pronounce it.

Technically the word will always be "N***ə" because of the neutral schwa sound, even though it's spelt different ways, it's still the same word.

May I explain the word to you please. We, African Americans, feel we can use the word because we are black. We have adopted the term and use it much. I know some might say "if you can call each other that, that we can call you that too then." Well crazy too say, it has become part of our culture of African Americans, therefore we use it as slang to talk too each other. I know this might sound dumb but in the end it all goes to respect for the other race. I ask you to respect our way of life, even if it does seem ignorant. Thank you

[Rayquaza]

May I explain the word to you please. We, African Americans, feel we can use the word because we are black. We have adopted the term and use it much. I know some might say "if you can call each other that, that we can call you that too then." Well crazy too say, it has become part of our culture of African Americans, therefore we use it as slang to talk too each other. I know this might sound dumb but in the end it all goes to respect for the other race. I ask you to respect our way of life, even if it does seem ignorant. Thank you

It's not a way of life, it's just hypocrisy.

And it's even going on in this thread! You're saying we have the right to use it whereas another black person is saying that those that do use it aren't even part of your race.

In every race there are going to be disagreements, and it's evident in this thread. Besides, that is the most weirdest logic I've ever seen. Asian people get called pakis, that doesn't mean I go to my asian friend and call them all pakis, because it's a derogatory term to assume all asians are from pakistan, and that the word "paki" in itself is insulting. So yes, indeed it does sound dumb, and it does seem ignorant. It's not a massive problem in the world, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if black people are going to use the term, they shouldn't be offended if someone of another race uses the term considering that the only reason it's rude is because they are not black.

[Jay_Swagg_LOL]

It's not a way of life, it's just hypocrisy.

And it's even going on in this thread! You're saying we have the right to use it whereas another black person is saying that those that do use it aren't even part of your race.

In every race there are going to be disagreements, and it's evident in this thread. Besides, that is the most weirdest logic I've ever seen. Asian people get called pakis, that doesn't mean I go to my asian friend and call them all pakis, because it's a derogatory term to assume all asians are from pakistan, and that the word "paki" in itself is insulting. So yes, indeed it does sound dumb, and it does seem ignorant. It's not a massive problem in the world, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if black people are going to use the term, they shouldn't be offended if someone of another race uses the term considering that the only reason it's rude is because they are not black.

Ok. I hear where you come from. Some may say it is not a way of life, which I completely understand but you must respect that. That is all I ask is that you respect that we choose to call each other that word. Also you said "they shouldn't be offended if someone of another race uses the term considering that the only reason it's rude is beacause they are not black." That is a load of ignorant crape. I suggest you go read the edit of the post starter. Pixie I said it all boils down to respect. If you cannot respect us enough to accept this one little ignorance, then sir you are sad.

[Rayquaza]

Ok. I hear where you come from. Some may say it is not a way of life, which I completely understand but you must respect that. That is all I ask is that you respect that we choose to call each other that word. Also you said "they shouldn't be offended if someone of another race uses the term considering that the only reason it's rude is beacause they are not black." That is a load of ignorant crape. I suggest you go read the edit of the post starter. Pixie I said it all boils down to respect. If you cannot respect us enough to accept this one little ignorance, then sir you are sad.

Can you not address me as "sir" because it doesn't make your argument any better.

I never said I didn't respect it and I hate is the fact you're making judgements on points I've never even said.

It's not a "way of life". It's just a word. A word. Buddhism or Homeschooling are ways of life.

It's not ignorant "crape", it's justified logic. Why is it that black people feel the need to have the privilege to be able to say certain words? What makes black people so special when there is absolutely no difference between a black person and a white person besides the colour of their skin?

It's these stupid privileges that create racism, and these pathetic ways of justifying racism that keep it going to this very day.

[Jay_Swagg_LOL]

Can you not address me as "sir" because it doesn't make your argument any better.

I never said I didn't respect it and I hate is the fact you're making judgements on points I've never even said.

It's not a "way of life". It's just a word. A word. Buddhism or Homeschooling are ways of life.

It's not ignorant "crape", it's justified logic. Why is it that black people feel the need to have the privilege to be able to say certain words? What makes black people so special when there is absolutely no difference between a black person and a white person besides the colour of their skin?

It's these stupid privileges that create racism, and these pathetic ways of justifying racism that keep it going to this very day.

Ok let's get real here. How the hell is your point "justified logic." Your a teenager on a forum saying you think everyone should be able to say one little word. Matter of tact I haven't seen anything saying you want to say the word so basically you are here wasting your time. AND DO NOT SAY IT'S A "PRIVILEGE" TO SAY THE WORD. I would be damned if a Caucasian called me the "N" word. Why, you may ask? Because back in time, during slave days and EVEN just racism day, black people were called the "N" word. Would you want somebody to call you a word you didn't like? Even before you said you wouldn't call your Asian freinds "Pakis" because it would hurt their feeling. How would you feel if someone called you a word that was so degrating, life absorbant and evil to your race. Something that people who would whip your ancestors, make them work till they couldn't even lift their own limbs, beat them till the white meat showed, called you. How would you feel? You wouldn't feel very good now would you? Now if someone from your race were too say it, you wouldn't mine now would you? Because they have the same ancestors as you who went through the same thing. This ends the debate about the "N" word. Anything else you say will be nothing more than ignorance. Nothing more, nothing less. I would ask for people not to even give his comments the "privilege" of a reply. Thank you for your time.

[britishboy]

everyone is equal!! you get a few racists but why make a big deal over them? you can call me white chocolate or what ever and I dont give a fuck but if it offends people you should shut up but people should learn not to care, its just you skin tone, it dosent mattet the same as your hair colour dosent, everyone is equal in terms of colour, a few racists hate this but they are a minority.

[Jay_Swagg_LOL]

everyone is equal!! you get a few racists but why make a big deal over them? you can call me white chocolate or what ever and I dont give a fuck but if it offends people you should shut up but people should learn not to care, its just you skin tone, it dosent mattet the same as your hair colour dosent, everyone is equal in terms of colour, a few racists hate this but they are a minority.

I agree, but some people cannot understand this.

[Rayquaza]

Ok let's get real here. How the hell is your point "justified logic." Your a teenager on a forum saying you think everyone should be able to say one little word. Matter of tact I haven't seen anything saying you want to say the word so basically you are here wasting your time. AND DO NOT SAY IT'S A "PRIVILEGE" TO SAY THE WORD. I would be damned if a Caucasian called me the "N" word. Why, you may ask? Because back in time, during slave days and EVEN just racism day, black people were called the "N" word. Would you want somebody to call you a word you didn't like? Even before you said you wouldn't call your Asian freinds "Pakis" because it would hurt their feeling. How would you feel if someone called you a word that was so degrating, life absorbant and evil to your race. Something that people who would whip you, make you work till you couldn't even lift your own arms, beat you till the white meat showed called you. How would you feel? You wouldn't feel very good now would you? Now if someone from your race were too say it, you wouldn't mine now would you? Because they have the same ancestors as you who went through the same thing. This ends the debate about the "N" word. Anything else you say will be nothing more than ignorance. Nothing more, nothing less. I would ask for people not to even give his comments the "privilege" of a reply. Thank you for your time.

No, I said that people should not all be able to say it, can you read?

Personally, my point of view is that the word should just be banned altogether, but it's not possible considering the obscene amount of times it is used in lyrics by black rappers and media.

You're making judgements on me that I haven't even said. It is a privilege because races are pathetically one-upping each other by saying "oh yeah we get to say this". It is a privilege and you know it. I said that in our current world as the word isn't going to become extinct, people should learn that if a non-black person says the word WIHTOUT OFFENCE TO SOMEONE (once again I find myself repeating in ROTW), then those that use the word shouldn't be offended because they're absolute hypocrites.

Of course you're going to be offended if you were called that. Duh. But I love how you try to cut me off of the debate and try and finish on the last word, because you're an arrogant idiot.

[comical]

The NAACP isn't exclusively black people, you know. It's a mix of all people. Besides, colored people isn't only blacks, but any of the minorities in general. Just putting that out there.

And your calling a majority of blacks ignorant and whites racist? How can you possibly believe that?

Matter of fact, two or three of the NAACP's founding members were White. Just a tidbit of information.

And I don't claim those rappers or that media.
It's sad, but they're still Black and are still one of us. There's going to be different types of people in each race.

I did not not grow up in a suburban neighborhood. I live in a ghetto. Alas they are not as bad as the media makes it seem. According to the media we are ignorant. Apperently out ghettos prove it.

Actually I grew up as a surburban, sheltered kid who even lived in a gated community and attended a majority white school. Both of my parents came from lower-income families and lived in the so-said "ghetto" all of their life, so majority of my family is still there. With all of my family being there, that means I'm there all of the time too. I'm there right now. I don't see why people make it seem so bad. I sit on my Grandma's front porch on my iPad or iPhone all of the time and I've never been mugged or anything.

Personally, my point of view is that the word should just be banned altogether, but it's not possible considering the obscene amount of times it is used in lyrics by black rappers and media.
The thing is, guess who these black rappers are all funded by.. White people. They take advantage of someone's ignorance and fill them with greed. These white people don't want to throw around the word themselves, so they get their puppets to do it for them.

The kalamity in this world..

[Jay_Swagg_LOL]

Matter of fact, two or three of the NAACP's founding members were White. Just a tidbit of information.


It's sad, but they're still Black and are still one of us. There's going to be different types of people in each race.



Actually I grew up as a surburban, sheltered kid who even lived in a gated community and attended a majority white school. Both of my parents came from lower-income families and lived in the so-said "ghetto" all of their life, so majority of my family is still there. With all of my family being there, that means I'm there all of the time too. I'm there right now. I don't see why people make it seem so bad. I sit on my Grandma's front porch on my iPad or iPhone all of the time and I've never been mugged or anything.


The thing is, guess who these black rappers are all funded by.. White people. They take advantage of someone's ignorance and fill them with greed. These white people don't want to throw around the word themselves, so they get their puppets to do it for them.

The kalamity in this world..

Nice point :yes:

No, I said that people should not all be able to say it, can you read?



You're making judgements on me that I haven't even said. It is a privilege because races are pathetically one-upping each other by saying "oh yeah we get to say this". It is a privilege and you know it. I said that in our current world as the word isn't going to become extinct, people should learn that if a non-black person says the word WIHTOUT OFFENCE TO SOMEONE (once again I find myself repeating in ROTW), then those that use the word shouldn't be offended because they're absolute hypocrites.

Of course you're going to be offended if you were called that. Duh. But I love how you try to cut me off of the debate and try and finish on the last word, because you're an arrogant idiot.

Thank you for your understanding of my point of view.:yawn::what:


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[Lisa Monroe]

i hate racism. people are people no matter the color of their skin

[Wesl3y]

That's a load of crap and you know it. Maybe people live in the ghetto because they can't afford to live anywhere else? It's not because they LIKE it.

Minorities will never have the same privileges as the majority. Sad, but true.

There is a way out of the ghetto, my family succeeded. People aren't trapped in the ghetto, they choose to live there. If you fight hard enough there is a way out.

[Jay_Swagg_LOL]

There is a way out of the ghetto, my family succeeded. People aren't trapped in the ghetto, they choose to live there. If you fight hard enough there is a way out.

Not everyone can make it out you know.

[Wesl3y]

You speak of the American dream that has not been completely achieved.



Why are you here, this is rambling of the "wise." Let me give you an ancient definition of that word. To speak wisely means to be able to speak of things in equal terms. To not speak in a biest manner. To be wise means to have it in your head that everything is equal. Nothing is too small or too big for growth. You do not speak wisely sir, so I would ask you not to post your unwisely comments on my post please.



In time there shall be a day, but for now, we await it's arrival.


-merged multiple posts. -Emerald Dream
Allow me to also point out the definition of rambling is, lengthy and confused or inconsequential. I also would like to point out the definition in the present, because that is when virtual teen forums was created, is having the ability to discern or judge what is true, right, or lasting; sagacious. I do believe my post I judged what I believe to be right in a lengthy and possibly confusing manner. I am speaking through life experience, and don't find it appropriate nor will I tolerate being harassed by somebody who has a different opinion than I do. Not all wise people share the same opinion as any wise man would know. So unless I have misspoken, or you have a decent comment to contribute to the debate, I would expect you mind your own business and quit telling others what they can and cannot post. You're not a moderator, if there is a problem report me.

Not everyone can make it out you know.

How is that?


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[Professional Russian]

Ok, this post is SO flawed.

1. The NAACP is NOTHING like the KKK. The KKK goes around and kills ALL non-whites. The NAACP tries to advance colored people. I see what you're getting at when you say there aimed at one race, and they are, but being the minority we need extra support, support we didn't have 100 years ago. Thus the NAACP was born.

2. Who the hell said anything about Blacks vs Whites? I have no opinion on that, because there isn't one to be had. I don't treat anybody differently due to their race, and it shouldn't matter what you are. Black, white, or anything else, it REALLY DOES NOT MATTER.

3. What you said about " the N word" is the most stereotypical thing I've read in a while. Don't go generalizing a race because some ignorant people choose to throw around a word that's targeted AGAINST them. Blame the individual, not the race.

You sir, are a racist.
How in the fuck is josh racist for making post. You people haven't seen racist if.you call that racist. The Klan doesn't kill innocent blacks like it used too. Maybe here and there they do they don't do all day every day. If.you cater to a certain race that is racist seeing how you only cater one race and exclude the others. Nigger is used by nearly everyone these days...sorry my sleeping was in correct it now "nigga" even white people call each other "niggas" so its not really a race thing
I still think its stupid though. Am I racist also backing.Josh up on his post?

[Origami]

Not everyone can make it out you know.

We call this an excuse.

No human being is incapable of escaping the ghettos. While it is true that some are unable to further their education beyond high school due to financial reasons, you can still succeed just fine by finishing high school, getting a stable job, and properly managing your finances.

[Professional Russian]

OK OK. If everyone is equal let's get rid of every program and group that helps a single race. Then we will 1 save the government money and 2 everyone will be equal. No one will be treated differently because theyre a different race because that would be racist.

[Jay_Swagg_LOL]

Allow me to also point out the definition of rambling is, lengthy and confused or inconsequential. I also would like to point out the definition in the present, because that is when virtual teen forums was created, is having the ability to discern or judge what is true, right, or lasting; sagacious. I do believe my post I judged what I believe to be right in a lengthy and possibly confusing manner. I am speaking through life experience, and don't find it appropriate nor will I tolerate being harassed by somebody who has a different opinion than I do. Not all wise people share the same opinion as any wise man would know. So unless I have misspoken, or you have a decent comment to contribute to the debate, I would expect you mind your own business and quit telling others what they can and cannot post. You're not a moderator, if there is a problem report me.

How is that?

Before you read this please calm down and open your mind, for i wish only to share my opinion. The reason why I say your "beliefs" are unwisely is because you basically say you are better than your African American side of the family by saying that they are jealous of you. How? Because you go to a better school and refuse to subject to a lower education. You did not not have to flag that around now did you. If you truly believe we are all the same, equal as you may say, then why say that? From what I have read and picked up from your posts, you see yourself at a higher standard than your African American side of the family. You should take pride in that. African Americans have made much progress in this world, yet you reject them. Why? Please read my edit of the thread starter.

It is not an "excuse" as some has said it so. I must agree with you, it does seem easy to just move, but it isn't. You do indeed have those who wish nothing for themselves, and find ignorant pride in drug dealing. I ask you to not think all people who live in a ghetto wish that. You must look into reality. Think, if you were barely getting enough income to just get by. Even if you had a high school diploma do you think someone would be so eager to hire someone from a ghetto? No, it is very hard indeed. If you do not look into the reality of the situation how do you plan on finding a realistic answer? :what:

[Jakers61]

If every race is equal then groups like the kkk, naacp ect should shut down. Also minority scholarships should stop. No special treatment

No special treatment, I DO agree with that.

I DO NOT agree with shutting down groups that are anti- anybody. They have a right to think and say what they want. We do have rights as people and one of them is entitling ourselves to our own opinions. You can't say well everyone is equal to nobody is allowed to think anything different because that's the rule. It doesn't work like that.

I'm about to be the guy that gets the hate but personally I can't stand the majority of people nowadays as it is. Blacks, middle Easterns, whites, anyone. Our country has fallen to shit and is overrun by minorities and drugees and dope dealers and jackasses. It's simple, People are plain stupid today, no one wants to work for money and they complain about not having it but yet every penny they get goes to drugs and alcohol.

I know I veered off there but there is a point to what I've rambled.

[Jay_Swagg_LOL]

No special treatment, I DO agree with that.

I DO NOT agree with shutting down groups that are anti- anybody. They have a right to think and say what they want. We do have rights as people and one of them is entitling ourselves to our own opinions. You can't say well everyone is equal to nobody is allowed to think anything different because that's the rule. It doesn't work like that.

I'm about to be the guy that gets the hate but personally I can't stand the majority of people nowadays as it is. Blacks, middle Easterns, whites, anyone. Our country has fallen to shit and is overrun by minorities and drugees and dope dealers and jackasses. It's simple, People are plain stupid today, no one wants to work for money and they complain about not having it but yet every penny they get goes to drugs and alcohol.

I know I veered off there but there is a point to what I've rambled.

That is somewhat how I see it...

[Wesl3y]

Before you read this please calm down and open your mind, for i wish only to share my opinion. The reason why I say your "beliefs" are unwisely is because you basically say you are better than your African American side of the family by saying that they are jealous of you. How? Because you go to a better school and refuse to subject to a lower education. You did not not have to flag that around now did you. If you truly believe we are all the same, equal as you may say, then why say that? From what I have read and picked up from your posts, you see yourself at a higher standard than your African American side of the family. You should take pride in that. African Americans have made much progress in this world, yet you reject them. Why? Please read my edit of the thread starter.

It is not an "excuse" as some has said it so. I must agree with you, it does seem easy to just move, but it isn't. You do indeed have those who wish nothing for themselves, and find ignorant pride in drug dealing. I ask you to not think all people who live in a ghetto wish that. You must look into reality. Think, if you were barely getting enough income to just get by. Even if you had a high school diploma do you think someone would be so eager to hire someone from a ghetto? No, it is very hard indeed. If you do not look into the reality of the situation how do you plan on finding a realistic answer? :what:

Allow me to begin by saying, you confuse strong words with anger, I am very calm and I choose my words carefully. My mind is very open but not so open as to accept a, "load of crap" as some might say. I also find it hypocritical of you to call my beliefs "unwise" yet expect that I should listen to your self proclaimed "wise" opinions. *In order to become wise one must learn through life experiences, it is for that reason our elders are deemed wise because they have endured through time and share their knowledge with us. I do not believe I am superior to the black side of the family in any extent. In fact I believe all races are equal, as should you, but I see flaws. Their character doesn't demote their race but their actions create an image of it; therefore I tell you how this image creates racism. At one point in history blacks were forced to live in ghettos due to the belief in white supremacy, but as we all know the government has stepped in to put an end to the block busters in white suburbia and the forced ghettos; however blacks have yet to fully recover from such circumstances. Becoming stuck in the cycle of poverty is one of the greatest force inhibiting blacks from more easily improving their situation. I am not saying it is easy, but at some point each individual or family has the power to break the chain and improve their lives. However many blacks refuse to better their situation, and I must agree with you, take pride in illegal activities, hustling, being gangsta. I have seen, experienced, and learned from living in the ghetto and getting out, that many are happy to stay home and collect ssi, food stamps, section 8, and not contribute to society, one of the stereotypes and misconceptions on blacks. *Many work minimum wage jobs and just get by, if they were to for instance work multiple minimum wage jobs they would still be better off. Life is very difficult for some, and I know what it is like to live through the struggle, to wonder why I was stuck being poor and others could live in mansions. Life isn't fair by any means but frankly, shit happens. My mother did work multiple jobs, did get educated, did earn a degree, and got a well paying job, and a house in a upper middle class neighborhood, it can be done. It is possible, saying that is impossible is ignorant in this case. I am a firm believer that the ghetto can be changed, refaced, educated, and turned into a place people want to live. However that dream, takes an unfathomable amount of resources. As of now, the ghetto and the inner city schools are of a lower standard than others such as the suburban area I live in, which is statistically accurate almost anywhere in the United States. Do not confuse living conditions with people however, as I still view any race as equal, and the poorer side of my family as equal to me. I would never judge a person because of what they're born with. They are equal, however I find it ignorant that they find pride in living where they do. I do believe pride is acceptable if you are working towards a better life, but staying in the ghetto and not wanting change is ignorant. I want that change to happen; however I can not help those who reject, just as I can't force change on those who reject it. All that is left to do my friend is judge. I hate to admit that, but society looks higher on those who are constantly bettering themselves than those who make excuses and *regress in life. *As much as I hate to admit, I judge myself, but I am only human. Is it wrong to want to leave behind those who want to remain downtrodden. I think not, as it is only the unconscious working of natural selection. As humans we are always looking for a way to advance, and it is often mistaken as a leap for power and superiority, and for that reason I think you are mistaken. I do not see myself as superior as your judgmental eyes may have seen, but I strive to better myself, just as my mother does, and just as I wish others would. I apologize for expressing my disappointment in society in anger, but after so long it becomes upsetting, but as I said we're only human. We think differently, lead different lives, and develop our own beliefs. I respect yours, however I feel we need to be more progressive and stop pointing fingers on whose fault it is. We need to have faith, and help our neighbors, and brothers to become better, to end racism, to become truly equal, in all aspects. Sadly I cannot offer a realistic solution as of yet, if we work together, and help one another, I have faith one will become apparent. One that will lead to a progressive, just and equal society.**

[Trenton_]

When talking about minorities it is usally within a country. Not a sport

My point is that discrimination and judgment happens to everyone.

Allow me to begin by saying, you confuse strong words with anger, I am very calm and I choose my words carefully. My mind is very open but not so open as to accept a, "load of crap" as some might say. I also find it hypocritical of you to call my beliefs "unwise" yet expect that I should listen to your self proclaimed "wise" opinions. *In order to become wise one must learn through life experiences, it is for that reason our elders are deemed wise because they have endured through time and share their knowledge with us. I do not believe I am superior to the black side of the family in any extent. In fact I believe all races are equal, as should you, but I see flaws. Their character doesn't demote their race but their actions create an image of it; therefore I tell you how this image creates racism. At one point in history blacks were forced to live in ghettos due to the belief in white supremacy, but as we all know the government has stepped in to put an end to the block busters in white suburbia and the forced ghettos; however blacks have yet to fully recover from such circumstances. Becoming stuck in the cycle of poverty is one of the greatest force inhibiting blacks from more easily improving their situation. I am not saying it is easy, but at some point each individual or family has the power to break the chain and improve their lives. However many blacks refuse to better their situation, and I must agree with you, take pride in illegal activities, hustling, being gangsta. I have seen, experienced, and learned from living in the ghetto and getting out, that many are happy to stay home and collect ssi, food stamps, section 8, and not contribute to society, one of the stereotypes and misconceptions on blacks. *Many work minimum wage jobs and just get by, if they were to for instance work multiple minimum wage jobs they would still be better off. Life is very difficult for some, and I know what it is like to live through the struggle, to wonder why I was stuck being poor and others could live in mansions. Life isn't fair by any means but frankly, shit happens. My mother did work multiple jobs, did get educated, did earn a degree, and got a well paying job, and a house in a upper middle class neighborhood, it can be done. It is possible, saying that is impossible is ignorant in this case. I am a firm believer that the ghetto can be changed, refaced, educated, and turned into a place people want to live. However that dream, takes an unfathomable amount of resources. As of now, the ghetto and the inner city schools are of a lower standard than others such as the suburban area I live in, which is statistically accurate almost anywhere in the United States. Do not confuse living conditions with people however, as I still view any race as equal, and the poorer side of my family as equal to me. I would never judge a person because of what they're born with. They are equal, however I find it ignorant that they find pride in living where they do. I do believe pride is acceptable if you are working towards a better life, but staying in the ghetto and not wanting change is ignorant. I want that change to happen; however I can not help those who reject, just as I can't force change on those who reject it. All that is left to do my friend is judge. I hate to admit that, but society looks higher on those who are constantly bettering themselves than those who make excuses and *regress in life. *As much as I hate to admit, I judge myself, but I am only human. Is it wrong to want to leave behind those who want to remain downtrodden. I think not, as it is only the unconscious working of natural selection. As humans we are always looking for a way to advance, and it is often mistaken as a leap for power and superiority, and for that reason I think you are mistaken. I do not see myself as superior as your judgmental eyes may have seen, but I strive to better myself, just as my mother does, and just as I wish others would. I apologize for expressing my disappointment in society in anger, but after so long it becomes upsetting, but as I said we're only human. We think differently, lead different lives, and develop our own beliefs. I respect yours, however I feel we need to be more progressive and stop pointing fingers on whose fault it is. We need to have faith, and help our neighbors, and brothers to become better, to end racism, to become truly equal, in all aspects. Sadly I cannot offer a realistic solution as of yet, if we work together, and help one another, I have faith one will become apparent. One that will lead to a progressive, just and equal society.**

what we're born as or with doesn't matter much, but people will judge us for it just the same. I live in a really nice suburb and kids at school say i'm rich and i laugh and tell them i don't have jack, but my parents do! What's funny is some of the kids live in my neighborhood. From the outside, it looks like I have it made, I don't and because of that, I don't assume the ghetto is just horrible. it's a location, just like my parents house is a location. there is nothing wrong with being poor or rich and some people, a lot of people, won't ever be happy, rich or poor, black, brown, white or another pigment. idk why, but some people are just miserable and i'm glad i'm not one of them

[Harry Smith]

It is not an "excuse" as some has said it so. I must agree with you, it does seem easy to just move, but it isn't. You do indeed have those who wish nothing for themselves, and find ignorant pride in drug dealing. I ask you to not think all people who live in a ghetto wish that. You must look into reality. Think, if you were barely getting enough income to just get by. Even if you had a high school diploma do you think someone would be so eager to hire someone from a ghetto? No, it is very hard indeed. If you do not look into the reality of the situation how do you plan on finding a realistic answer? :what:

You make the Ghetto's sound similar to the one's in Poland in WW2, your really oversimplifying it. It's not an enclosed area where people of one minority get forced to go, it's somewhere were a large number of minorities live, they can easily get up and live it. They choose to embrace the stereotype's of living there and then complain when people don't want to hire them.

[Jay_Swagg_LOL]

Allow me to begin by saying, you confuse strong words with anger, I am very calm and I choose my words carefully. My mind is very open but not so open as to accept a, "load of crap" as some might say. I also find it hypocritical of you to call my beliefs "unwise" yet expect that I should listen to your self proclaimed "wise" opinions. *In order to become wise one must learn through life experiences, it is for that reason our elders are deemed wise because they have endured through time and share their knowledge with us. I do not believe I am superior to the black side of the family in any extent. In fact I believe all races are equal, as should you, but I see flaws. Their character doesn't demote their race but their actions create an image of it; therefore I tell you how this image creates racism. At one point in history blacks were forced to live in ghettos due to the belief in white supremacy, but as we all know the government has stepped in to put an end to the block busters in white suburbia and the forced ghettos; however blacks have yet to fully recover from such circumstances. Becoming stuck in the cycle of poverty is one of the greatest force inhibiting blacks from more easily improving their situation. I am not saying it is easy, but at some point each individual or family has the power to break the chain and improve their lives. However many blacks refuse to better their situation, and I must agree with you, take pride in illegal activities, hustling, being gangsta. I have seen, experienced, and learned from living in the ghetto and getting out, that many are happy to stay home and collect ssi, food stamps, section 8, and not contribute to society, one of the stereotypes and misconceptions on blacks. *Many work minimum wage jobs and just get by, if they were to for instance work multiple minimum wage jobs they would still be better off. Life is very difficult for some, and I know what it is like to live through the struggle, to wonder why I was stuck being poor and others could live in mansions. Life isn't fair by any means but frankly, shit happens. My mother did work multiple jobs, did get educated, did earn a degree, and got a well paying job, and a house in a upper middle class neighborhood, it can be done. It is possible, saying that is impossible is ignorant in this case. I am a firm believer that the ghetto can be changed, refaced, educated, and turned into a place people want to live. However that dream, takes an unfathomable amount of resources. As of now, the ghetto and the inner city schools are of a lower standard than others such as the suburban area I live in, which is statistically accurate almost anywhere in the United States. Do not confuse living conditions with people however, as I still view any race as equal, and the poorer side of my family as equal to me. I would never judge a person because of what they're born with. They are equal, however I find it ignorant that they find pride in living where they do. I do believe pride is acceptable if you are working towards a better life, but staying in the ghetto and not wanting change is ignorant. I want that change to happen; however I can not help those who reject, just as I can't force change on those who reject it. All that is left to do my friend is judge. I hate to admit that, but society looks higher on those who are constantly bettering themselves than those who make excuses and *regress in life. *As much as I hate to admit, I judge myself, but I am only human. Is it wrong to want to leave behind those who want to remain downtrodden. I think not, as it is only the unconscious working of natural selection. As humans we are always looking for a way to advance, and it is often mistaken as a leap for power and superiority, and for that reason I think you are mistaken. I do not see myself as superior as your judgmental eyes may have seen, but I strive to better myself, just as my mother does, and just as I wish others would. I apologize for expressing my disappointment in society in anger, but after so long it becomes upsetting, but as I said we're only human. We think differently, lead different lives, and develop our own beliefs. I respect yours, however I feel we need to be more progressive and stop pointing fingers on whose fault it is. We need to have faith, and help our neighbors, and brothers to become better, to end racism, to become truly equal, in all aspects. Sadly I cannot offer a realistic solution as of yet, if we work together, and help one another, I have faith one will become apparent. One that will lead to a progressive, just and equal society.**

Very nice point, I would like for you to tell me when you find that realistic answer.

[Jay_Swagg_LOL]

You make the Ghetto's sound similar to the one's in Poland in WW2, your really oversimplifying it. It's not an enclosed area where people of one minority get forced to go, it's somewhere were a large number of minorities live, they can easily get up and live it. They choose to embrace the stereotype's of living there and then complain when people don't want to hire them.

Understand that not all people can just so easily leave the ghetto. It takes time. Everyone is not so lucky. Do you really think everyone can just get up and leave the ghetto, and society welcomes them with open arms? No think realistically please. I agree there are some people who find pride in it. I call that ignorance, but we all have our ignorant side of our race.

[Miserabilia]

Understand that not all people can just so easily leave the ghetto. It takes time. Everyone is not so lucky. Do you really think everyone can just get up and leave the ghetto, and society welcomes them with open arms? No think realistically please. I agree there are some people who find pride in it. I call that ignorance, but we all have our ignorant side of our race.

omg ikr. People are always talking like one chooses to be in a ghetto and can just walk out any time when reality is far different

[Southside]

We call this an excuse.

No human being is incapable of escaping the ghettos. While it is true that some are unable to further their education beyond high school due to financial reasons, you can still succeed just fine by finishing high school, getting a stable job, and properly managing your finances.

So one can have a financially stable life with a high school diploma and a janitor job or Mcdonalds clerk? The only possible stable job with a high shcool diploma I could think of is maybe a military job. It's jobs(VERY VERY FEW) that pay a decent living with a high school diploma though you gotta be really lucky to get those(and have prior experience). Back in the day(30-40 Years ago) you could get a decent job to support your family, now to get a job that pays over 30,000+ you need to have some type of degree. My grandfather came to America with only a 7th Grade education, and worked for the state government for over 20 years. Those days are over..

[Magus]

People have become to politically correct now a days. If you tell some stupid racist joke, some sensitive pussy would just go cry about it and sue you. It'd be another thing if you were disrespectful to that person directly or being rude to them directly though

Most racists jokes are fine and lighthearted.

But some jokes and people who do the joke do cross the boundaries, and it turns from funny to annoying. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoLPLsQbdt0)

[Origami]

So one can have a financially stable life with a high school diploma and a janitor job or Mcdonalds clerk? The only possible stable job with a high shcool diploma I could think of is maybe a military job. It's jobs(VERY VERY FEW) that pay a decent living with a high school diploma though you gotta be really lucky to get those(and have prior experience). Back in the day(30-40 Years ago) you could get a decent job to support your family, now to get a job that pays over 30,000+ you need to have some type of degree. My grandfather came to America with only a 7th Grade education, and worked for the state government for over 20 years. Those days are over..

Mind you, there are jobs that pay far better than a janitor or McDonalds clerk and require less than a diploma. While it may not be possible to have the most financially secure life, it is possible to escape the ghetto and live a somewhat moderate life through proper spending. It's called struggling.

[likemike]

Most racists jokes are fine and lighthearted.

But some jokes and people who do the joke do cross the boundaries, and it turns from funny to annoying. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoLPLsQbdt0)

I don't think any racist joke are fine

[Miserabilia]

there will always be racist jokes, just like there are jokes of diseases and accidents, as long as its not too bad you cant really stop it

[Cicero]

Most racists jokes are fine and lighthearted.

But some jokes and people who do the joke do cross the boundaries, and it turns from funny to annoying. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoLPLsQbdt0)

!!!!!!!!!?!!????!!!?!!!??!!???!!???!??!!???!! :guillotine: :mad:


I can't believe that!? At first I thought it was some southern hillbilly, but that guy was from Seinfeld!!!!?!!?!? That's sickening. I'm surprised the people who were black didn't go up and beat him up! I sure would've. It's sickening that people even laughed, they just sat there and laughed.

[Snookers]

Maybe its like that in Europe but america is really diverse

Guess you might be right. It depends on what kind of environment you're raised.
Not everyone can get in America, you need a green card and lost of paperwork to live and work there, so there aren't so many immigrants there, compared to other countries.

[likemike]

Guess you might be right. It depends on what kind of environment you're raised.
Not everyone can get in America, you need a green card and lost of paperwork to live and work there, so there aren't so many immigrants there, compared to other countries.

I said america is really diverse

[Jay_Swagg_LOL]

So one can have a financially stable life with a high school diploma and a janitor job or Mcdonalds clerk? The only possible stable job with a high shcool diploma I could think of is maybe a military job. It's jobs(VERY VERY FEW) that pay a decent living with a high school diploma though you gotta be really lucky to get those(and have prior experience). Back in the day(30-40 Years ago) you could get a decent job to support your family, now to get a job that pays over 30,000+ you need to have some type of degree. My grandfather came to America with only a 7th Grade education, and worked for the state government for over 20 years. Those days are over..

I agree with you. These days in some cases, even a masters won't be enough.

[comical]

Originally Posted by Jakers61
No special treatment, I DO agree with that.

I DO NOT agree with shutting down groups that are anti- anybody. They have a right to think and say what they want. We do have rights as people and one of them is entitling ourselves to our own opinions. You can't say well everyone is equal to nobody is allowed to think anything different because that's the rule. It doesn't work like that.

I'm about to be the guy that gets the hate but personally I can't stand the majority of people nowadays as it is. Blacks, middle Easterns, whites, anyone. Our country has fallen to shit and is overrun by minorities and drugees and dope dealers and jackasses. It's simple, People are plain stupid today, no one wants to work for money and they complain about not having it but yet every penny they get goes to drugs and alcohol.

I know I veered off there but there is a point to what I've rambled.

Since you seem irritated that America is full of minorities, I hope that we continue to grow and become the majority. At first I agreed with your opinion, but it seems so simple-minded. I'm really guessing these "people" you refer to are all minorities. If not, excuse me for making a wrong interpretation.

If you didn't know, America was supposedly founded as a haven for the oppressed and small groups. Why do you think it was called the "Land of the free" and we have "Freedom of religion"? Even though it never lived up to its true meaning when those documents were created, thankfully it's finally doing so now.

[Harry Smith]

Understand that not all people can just so easily leave the ghetto. It takes time. Everyone is not so lucky. Do you really think everyone can just get up and leave the ghetto, and society welcomes them with open arms? No think realistically please. I agree there are some people who find pride in it. I call that ignorance, but we all have our ignorant side of our race.

Once again, it's not Nazi germany. Your not trapped in it.

Society will welcome you with open arms if your respecful and hard working, if you turn up to a job interview and act like a prat then no matter where you are from they won't accept you.

They don't get a cast Iron and imprint the words ghetto on your forehead, your really making it sound so much worse than it is. The number one problem with these areas is the people, in the end it's just a bunch of the buildings. It's the people that give it a bad reputation

[comical]

Once again, it's not Nazi germany. Your not trapped in it.

Society will welcome you with open arms if your respecful and hard working, if you turn up to a job interview and act like a prat then no matter where you are from they won't accept you.

They don't get a cast Iron and imprint the words ghetto on your forehead, your really making it sound so much worse than it is. The number one problem with these areas is the people, in the end it's just a bunch of the buildings. It's the people that give it a bad reputation

When you're under constant oppression, and everyone makes it seem as if you're the worst creation of the land, it will seem like you're trapped in it. And then the way you say "Society will welcome you with open arms" how are they welcoming something that's already apart of it. You are a true example of media brainwashing. The employer looks at what part of town you are just as they look at your educational credentials. The other day I was at my Grandma's house and wanted to order a pizza. Neither Dominos, Pizza Hut or Papa John's will deliver to that part of town after 6:00. Seriously?!

The people are not the #1 problem with the area. It's the motherloving media, the government and ignorant people who listen to both of those. Crime isn't even always that bad in these "ghettoes", and whenever something happens the media always focuses on the negative aspects of this area and never the positive aspects. A couple weeks ago I organized a community clean-up for Global Youth Service Day. We had flyers all over town and everything. There was a lot of community support and even local government officials were there. It got no attention from our local newspaper when we sent in the flyer and announcement multiple times. An out of town news channel actually listed it on their website, but that was it. A couple days later there is a shooting in that neighborhood and the newspaper puts it on the front page and blows it way out of proportion. Another example of media brainwashing. Tell people the negative aspects but never share the good news.

[Southside]

Once again, it's not Nazi germany. Your not trapped in it.

Society will welcome you with open arms if your respecful and hard working, if you turn up to a job interview and act like a prat then no matter where you are from they won't accept you.

They don't get a cast Iron and imprint the words ghetto on your forehead, your really making it sound so much worse than it is. The number one problem with these areas is the people, in the end it's just a bunch of the buildings. It's the people that give it a bad reputation

Physically we are not trapped in the ghetto, economically and socially we are. The reason why these people drug deal, shoot, is because is really no opprotunity. Equal education doesnt exsist when a inner city Black school has no air conditioning, old books, crumbling building, old technology versus a White suburban school that looks like a junior college, has the latest everything. I had the chance during basketball season to travel to some suburban schools, they made my innercity school look like a dump. Also, for a lot of kids in inner city areas its no motivation to want to go to school. Be honest,who wants to go to a place for 7 hours with no A/C in a badly dilapidated building from the postwar era? Im not trying to sound bad ass at all, but I live in the inner city of Chicago, im living it.

[comical]

Physically we are not trapped in the ghetto, economically and socially we are.

Exactly. People are thinking we're talking physically. Until they actually experience it, they won't understand.

[Jay_Swagg_LOL]

Once again, it's not Nazi germany. Your not trapped in it.

Society will welcome you with open arms if your respecful and hard working, if you turn up to a job interview and act like a prat then no matter where you are from they won't accept you.

They don't get a cast Iron and imprint the words ghetto on your forehead, your really making it sound so much worse than it is. The number one problem with these areas is the people, in the end it's just a bunch of the buildings. It's the people that give it a bad reputation

I agree with SouthsidePro.

[Harry Smith]

Physically we are not trapped in the ghetto, economically and socially we are. The reason why these people drug deal, shoot, is because is really no opprotunity. Equal education doesnt exsist when a inner city Black school has no air conditioning, old books, crumbling building, old technology versus a White suburban school that looks like a junior college, has the latest everything. I had the chance during basketball season to travel to some suburban schools, they made my innercity school look like a dump. Also, for a lot of kids in inner city areas its no motivation to want to go to school. Be honest,who wants to go to a place for 7 hours with no A/C in a badly dilapidated building from the postwar era? Im not trying to sound bad ass at all, but I live in the inner city of Chicago, im living it.

It's great that people can commit crimes and they still get people defending them, if you shoot someone you're trying to kill them. You can't justify that. I agree that schools need more funding but the problem the school board has is that you can build a brand new school but you still have people with a bad attitude in it. You can pump as much money as you like into it but until the people start to change their attitude they're not going to succeed in life. It's when you justify violent crime that violent crimes becomes the norm

Exactly. People are thinking we're talking physically. Until they actually experience it, they won't understand.

Yeah sure assume I'm some posh middle class boy, I've had the person 4 doors down from me stabbed with a samuri sword in a park, I've seen about 4 youth centres get burnt down and I've been mugged countless times just because there happens to be a council house 5 minutes away from my house.

I agree with SouthsidePro.

Great oinput there, I thought the point of this thread was to debate...

[comical]

It's great that people can commit crimes and they still get people defending them, if you shoot someone you're trying to kill them. You can't justify that. I agree that schools need more funding but the problem the school board has is that you can build a brand new school but you still have people with a bad attitude in it. You can pump as much money as you like into it but until the people start to change their attitude they're not going to succeed in life. It's when you justify violent crime that violent crimes becomes the norm


As of now I attend the newest school in my county, which is also one of the most tech-savvy and STEM centered schools in my state. Our county spent millions of millions of dollars building this school after they combined a middle school and a high school to make it. This school was built in 2008.

They're two "Black" schools in my county, and neither receive proper funding and essentials. The "Black" elementary school gets updated because of community support and private funding. My mom's non-profit organization held a summer camp at the "Black" middle school in my county and once we got in there, she said the same paint on the walls, doors on classrooms and appliances in bathroom were there when she attended the school in 1983. From the books we saw, half of them haven't been updated since the late 80s either. Also I'd like to say this is the only school in my county that has to wear uniforms.

The "ghetto" community in my town is one of the best places to live, in my opinion. The people here are way nicer than the snobby people in my neighborhood, and whenever someone's in need another person is always there to help. There aren't any "bad attitudes" here. They should come to my school and look at these ungrateful kids. Like SouthsidePro said, equal education does not exist. I don't think anyone was trying to defend or justify people committing crimes, just trying to help you understand. Until you experience it, though, you just won't.

Yeah sure assume I'm some posh middle class boy, I've had the person 4 doors down from me stabbed with a samuri sword in a park, I've seen about 4 youth centres get burnt down and I've been mugged countless times just because there happens to be a council house 5 minutes away from my house.

I never assumed that you were some posh middle class kid. But hey, at least you have youth centers in your community. They've been trying to close the one down here, and there are barely any activities there. The just build a brand new rec center ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN and charge ridiculous prices too. If the kids don't have anything fun to do in their neighborhood, that's when the bad ideas start rolling in.

Great oinput there, I thought the point of this thread was to debate...

When did it become wrong in a debate to agree with someone? K.

[Southside]

It's great that people can commit crimes and they still get people defending them, if you shoot someone you're trying to kill them. You can't justify that. I agree that schools need more funding but the problem the school board has is that you can build a brand new school but you still have people with a bad attitude in it. You can pump as much money as you like into it but until the people start to change their attitude they're not going to succeed in life. It's when you justify violent crime that violent crimes becomes the norm



Yeah sure assume I'm some posh middle class boy, I've had the person 4 doors down from me stabbed with a samuri sword in a park, I've seen about 4 youth centres get burnt down and I've been mugged countless times just because there happens to be a council house 5 minutes away from my house.



Great oinput there, I thought the point of this thread was to debate...

Most people in innercity areas have good attitudes but its all about the motivation to want to get a good education. Like I said, no one is going to want to go to a school that's underfunded and just overall nasty. I cant count the times the power has went out at my school due to faulty old electrical wiring(on clear,sunny days), or the toilets dont work. I bet if money was invested to build new schools or youth centers in the inner city that'd change attitudes. Even the simplest things like new books or new technology can change those attitudes. My school just in the last 2-3 years started getting new supplies, we were running Windows 98 & Windows XP computers up until 2010. In Chicago alone 50 schools are being closed, most of them in inner city BLACK & HISPANIC areas. Though you never hear about them closing a white school on the northside...All im saying is give everyone a equal chance, it's really not fair for a white suburban school to have everything but not a minority inner city school. Im not trying to turn this into a "who lives in a more bad ass place" debate, but I've probably experienced more crime and criminal activity than most people will ever experience.

[Harry Smith]

As of now I attend the newest school in my county, which is also one of the most tech-savvy and STEM centered schools in my state. Our county spent millions of millions of dollars building this school after they combined a middle school and a high school to make it. This school was built in 2008.

They're two "Black" schools in my county, and neither receive proper funding and essentials. The "Black" elementary school gets updated because of community support and private funding. My mom's non-profit organization held a summer camp at the "Black" middle school in my county and once we got in there, she said the same paint on the walls, doors on classrooms and appliances in bathroom were there when she attended the school in 1983. From the books we saw, half of them haven't been updated since the late 80s either. Also I'd like to say this is the only school in my county that has to wear uniforms.

The "ghetto" community in my town is one of the best places to live, in my opinion. The people here are way nicer than the snobby people in my neighborhood, and whenever someone's in need another person is always there to help. There aren't any "bad attitudes" here. They should come to my school and look at these ungrateful kids. Like SouthsidePro said, equal education does not exist. I don't think anyone was trying to defend or justify people committing crimes, just trying to help you understand. Until you experience it, though, you just won't.

I never assumed that you were some posh middle class kid. But hey, at least you have youth centers in your community. They've been trying to close the one down here, and there are barely any activities there. The just build a brand new rec center ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN and charge ridiculous prices too. If the kids don't have anything fun to do in their neighborhood, that's when the bad ideas start rolling in.

When did it become wrong in a debate to agree with someone? K.

Obviously the British and American school systems differ, I go to a school which is in a very rough area yet the school does very well because yes it's had a large degree of money put into it by a private investor, maybe that's what schools in America need.

And please as much as you like to think that you're facing some sort of grand task I would like to remind you where the word ghetto comes from. It comes from Nazi germany, where jews were forced to live with virtually no food or water, where the SS would come in and ripe the gold out of there teeth. Where the SS would rape children in front of there mothers, don't compare it for a second.

If I went into a debate and purely said I agree with someone what input is that putting into it? It's just showing that I'm a mindless sheep, this is a place to develop to ideas, not to develop yes men. K?

Most people in innercity areas have good attitudes but its all about the motivation to want to get a good education. Like I said, no one is going to want to go to a school that's underfunded and just overall nasty. I cant count the times the power has went out at my school due to faulty old electrical wiring(on clear,sunny days), or the toilets dont work. I bet if money was invested to build new schools or youth centers in the inner city that'd change attitudes. Even the simplest things like new books or new technology can change those attitudes. My school just in the last 2-3 years started getting new supplies, we were running Windows 98 & Windows XP computers up until 2010. In Chicago alone 50 schools are being closed, most of them in inner city BLACK & HISPANIC areas. Though you never hear about them closing a white school on the northside...All im saying is give everyone a equal chance, it's really not fair for a white suburban school to have everything but not a minority inner city school. Im not trying to turn this into a "who lives in a more bad ass place" debate, but I've probably experienced more crime and criminal activity than most people will ever experience.

I'm not trying to turn this into a debate but.... well done you live in a rough area. Join the queue.

Education is equal, your making it out like black people are sent to these bad schools on purpose. I'm sure there are millions of people in America who want better funding for facilities, blame Bush for that. But sure I understand if you go to bad school what's the point of learning when you can have a nice easy life of crime...

[Southside]

Obviously the British and American school systems differ, I go to a school which is in a very rough area yet the school does very well because yes it's had a large degree of money put into it by a private investor, maybe that's what schools in America need.

And please as much as you like to think that you're facing some sort of grand task I would like to remind you where the word ghetto comes from. It comes from Nazi germany, where jews were forced to live with virtually no food or water, where the SS would come in and ripe the gold out of there teeth. Where the SS would rape children in front of there mothers, don't compare it for a second.

If I went into a debate and purely said I agree with someone what input is that putting into it? It's just showing that I'm a mindless sheep, this is a place to develop to ideas, not to develop yes men. K?



I'm not trying to turn this into a debate but.... well done you live in a rough area. Join the queue.

Education is equal, your making it out like black people are sent to these bad schools on purpose. I'm sure there are millions of people in America who want better funding for facilities, blame Bush for that. But sure I understand if you go to bad school what's the point of learning when you can have a nice easy life of crime...

Crime is the next option, for a lot of people it's either that or the military. Considering you can easily make a few thousand dollar bucks a week from selling certain drugs, a lot of people are drawn into it. It's 16 and 17 year olds around my area who are high school drop outs driving around in BMW's and Benz's, most normal adults can even afford those. I dont mean to bring the whole drug debate into this, but do you think they'd drop out to do that if it was legal? By legalizing, you take the value out of something. The killing would probably stop to, a lot of people who dont live in areas where these things happen just think people are killing just for the hell of it. Most of the killings happening(atleast where I live) are drug related or gang related.

[Harry Smith]

Crime is the next option, for a lot of people it's either that or the military. Considering you can easily make a few thousand dollar bucks a week from selling certain drugs, a lot of people are drawn into it. It's 16 and 17 year olds around my area who are high school drop outs driving around in BMW's and Benz's, most normal adults can even afford those. I dont mean to bring the whole drug debate into this, but do you think they'd drop out to do that if it was legal? By legalizing, you take the value out of something. The killing would probably stop to, a lot of people who dont live in areas where these things happen just think people are killing just for the hell of it. Most of the killings happening(atleast where I live) are drug related or gang related.

Sure, let a highly dangerous drug which has harmful effects on both the mind and body be passed over the shop counter. If you legalize it they would turn to prostitution, stolen cars or some other rackets. Look at the mafia after the probation, they simply diversify to other markets.

I really love how you glamorize the life of crime, it's such a good portrayal. At best you'll become an informant for the DEA because otherwise your going to be lying dead in alley by the time your 21 or in a cell. Crime doesn't pay at all, sure you have some green paper but you have the constant risk of arrest and death.

[Southside]

Sure, let a highly dangerous drug which has harmful effects on both the mind and body be passed over the shop counter. If you legalize it they would turn to prostitution, stolen cars or some other rackets. Look at the mafia after the probation, they simply diversify to other markets.

I really love how you glamorize the life of crime, it's such a good portrayal. At best you'll become an informant for the DEA because otherwise your going to be lying dead in alley by the time your 21 or in a cell. Crime doesn't pay at all, sure you have some green paper but you have the constant risk of arrest and death.

Glamorize? Im telling it straight not sugar-coating anything, I know 16,17,18 year olds who are driving around in BMW's & Benz's due to the amount of money they've collected from drug selling. I know people who have all kinds of Gucci and Polo clothing from drug dealing. I've never touched a drug in my life, nor exposed myself to any, also I am in the Honor Society, Im going to make it out of the ghetto. To alot of people, after high school it's the only option like I said, college is non-exsistant to them. It goes back to what I said in previous post, its about opprotunity and motivation, something the inner city lacks very much due to years of being fucked over by the government.

[Harry Smith]

Glamorize? Im telling it straight not sugar-coating anything, I know 16,17,18 year olds who are driving around in BMW's & Benz's due to the amount of money they've collected from drug selling. I know people who have all kinds of Gucci and Polo clothing from drug dealing. I've never touched a drug in my life, nor exposed myself to any, also I am in the Honor Society, Im going to make it out of the ghetto. To alot of people, after high school it's the only option like I said, college is non-exsistant to them. It goes back to what I said in previous post, its about opprotunity and motivation, something the inner city lacks very much due to years of being fucked over by the government.

Haha yeah blame the government, you even mentioned that the problem is motivation, maybe they should see this area they live in and aspire to move out of it rather than blame the government and do nothing.

Also could you please stop calling it a Ghetto, there's a lack of war crimes going on for it to be called that

[Origami]

Soutside already mentioned that those trapped by "crime" have the military alternative. He is now just making excuses to try and solidify his argument on people being trapped in the ghetto.

Just because they chose the "quick money" route doesn't mean they're trapped. It means they made a wrong choice and have chosen to stay there by not contributing honestly to society. This thread is pretty much done.

[Southside]

Haha yeah blame the government, you even mentioned that the problem is motivation, maybe they should see this area they live in and aspire to move out of it rather than blame the government and do nothing.

Also could you please stop calling it a Ghetto, there's a lack of war crimes going on for it to be called that

It is the ghetto, whenever you have more killings than the amount of US soldiers killed in Afghanistan, it's a ghetto. Government is to blame, crumbling schools, lack of youth resources, lack of recreational facilities, a overall lack of investment. What about schools being closed in the areas that need them most? Governments fault. What about the failed public housing? They turned into urban slums. The Thing that pisses me off the most is how the white areas get everything but we are left to deal with disgusting conditions. You can aspire all you want, if you dont have the correct resources to get there your in a ditch.

Origami states its a military alternative(It is), military doesnt always mean a financially stable life. It's tons of servicemen and women who are unemployed or underemployed, and the amount of them that are homeless is just sickening. A private(E1) makes about 18,000 a year, thats enough to support a family?

[Harry Smith]

It is the ghetto, whenever you have more killings than the amount of US soldiers killed in Afghanistan, it's a ghetto. Government is to blame, crumbling schools, lack of youth resources, lack of recreational facilities, a overall lack of investment. What about schools being closed in the areas that need them most? Governments fault. What about the failed public housing? They turned into urban slums. The Thing that pisses me off the most is how the white areas get everything but we are left to deal with disgusting conditions. You can aspire all you want, if you dont have the correct resources to get there your in a ditch.

Origami states its a military alternative(It is), military doesnt always mean a financially stable life. It's tons of servicemen and women who are unemployed or underemployed, and the amount of them that are homeless is just sickening. A private(E1) makes about 18,000 a year, thats enough to support a family?

It's not a ghetto. Ghetto implies that your physically imprionsoned and segregated there based on either your race or religion. It's your way of attempting to over exaggerate it.

Top down development by the government doesn't always work, you can't simply throw money at the problem and hope that it will go away

[Teen13]

2 people applying for a job in an office. They are of same skill , work capacity basically identical except 1 Is black and other white
Boss chooses white, black complains ,boss branded racist
Boss picks black, white can't do thing or be branded racist

applies to woman/man or disabled/not
Called positive racism. Where the typical racist target (e.g. black ) is givern a boost denied to the other

[comical]

You all have a very limited knowledge and understanding. Until you all experience the struggle, you won't understand it. Look up in Websters the definition do ghetto. I would elaborate more, but I'm using my phone and VT lags in mobile safari.

[Origami]

You all have a very limited knowledge and understanding. Until you all experience the struggle, you won't understand it. Look up in Websters the definition do ghetto. I would elaborate more, but I'm using my phone and VT lags in mobile safari.

Sorry, we don't believe in excuses. If you try and don't give up, you can escape. You might start off in the shittiest of shit jobs, but you work your way up from there.

[Jay_Swagg_LOL]

Sorry, we don't believe in excuses. If you try and don't give up, you can escape. You might start off in the shittiest of shit jobs, but you work your way up from there.

How was that an excuse at all? Please explain why you think that because it makes no sense to me.

[Origami]

How was that an excuse at all? Please explain why you think that because it makes no sense to me.

The whole ghetto debate has been nothing but "it's impossible," "jobs don't happen." They're out there, people just refuse to look in all places. And mind you, this applies to everyone, not just those in the ghetto.

[Jay_Swagg_LOL]

The whole ghetto debate has been nothing but "it's impossible," "jobs don't happen." They're out there, people just refuse to look in all places. And mind you, this applies to everyone, not just those in the ghetto.

We are not saying "it's impossible," were saying that everyone cannot make it out. Some people are too deep in to even think of making it out. When you are ina situation where you can barely pay your own bills you will make certain "deals" to get more money. Possibly from loan sharks. Think a lot of people in the world has to do this sometime, not just in ghettos. That is just one of many ways people cannot escape that kind of life.

[Origami]

We are not saying "it's impossible," were saying that everyone cannot make it out. Some people are too deep in to even think of making it out. When you are ina situation where you can barely pay your own bills you will make certain "deals" to get more money. Possibly from loan sharks. Think a lot of people in the world has to do this sometime, not just in ghettos. That is just one of many ways people cannot escape that kind of life.

Tell it to someone else. I face that every month. More often than not my family can't pay all of our bills. It's certainly not a new concept of one that's possible to work around.

[Jay_Swagg_LOL]

Tell it to someone else. I face that every month. More often than not my family can't pay all of our bills. It's certainly not a new concept of one that's possible to work around.

Are you saying your family lives that kind of life?

[Harry Smith]

You all have a very limited knowledge and understanding. Until you all experience the struggle, you won't understand it. Look up in Websters the definition do ghetto. I would elaborate more, but I'm using my phone and VT lags in mobile safari.

The word Ghetto originates from 18th century Venice where Jews were restricted to a certain part of the city and not allowed out. It then came into mainstream language after the holocaust.

People can easily physically get up and leave the Ghetto, there not trapped there. They just want something to blame their failure on

[Origami]

Are you saying your family lives that kind of life?

I said nothing more than what was said. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

[comical]

It's not a ghetto. Ghetto implies that your physically imprionsoned and segregated there based on either your race or religion. It's your way of attempting to over exaggerate it.

Top down development by the government doesn't always work, you can't simply throw money at the problem and hope that it will go away

http://i.imgur.com/h4JxFDv.jpg

Definitions change with the times.. Read Webster's for a change.. Harry, America is different than the UK. I know in some cases, some of the methods and ideals from over there may work here, but majority of the time they won't. So could you stop acting as if you understand this and go back to sipping tea and bowing for the Queen.. K, thanks.

And please as much as you like to think that you're facing some sort of grand task I would like to remind you where the word ghetto comes from. It comes from Nazi germany, where jews were forced to live with virtually no food or water, where the SS would come in and ripe the gold out of there teeth. Where the SS would rape children in front of there mothers, don't compare it for a second.

I also noticed you contradicted yourself multiple times. First you say Nazi occupied Germany, then 18th Century Venice. Just hush, lol, you're killing yourself.

[StoppingTime]

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Definitions change with the times


Yea, you're right. By saying that, however, you're contradicting your own point.
If the definition of ghetto changes, then it would change in the form you're using to not mean an oppressive, restrictive place to live.

As for the etymology of "ghetto" I believe all of you are incorrect. The original term "Ghetto" comes from Yiddish (a mixture of Hebrew and German - spoken widely by Jews prior to the 1900s) with sources of the word dating back to the 1500s. However, Jews have been kept in ghettos since the Middle Ages if I'm not mistaken, so technically, the "ghetto" itself has been around since them.


Read Webster's for a change..

Debating about etymologies in a debate is useless. By saying that black people live in ghettos, you are either saying one of two things:

1. They are living in a ghetto in the same way Jewish people once did.
2. "Ghetto" has come to mean a 'slum' or an area in which many people live who receive very low income, who are generally poor, etc.

And the only definition that makes sense in this argument is #2. You aren't being physically restricted to stay there, so yes, one can in fact "leave" the ghetto. No I'm guessing it's not easy, but it's far from impossible.


Harry, America is different than the UK. I know in some cases, some of the methods and ideals from over there may work here, but majority of the time they won't.

No?

So could you stop acting as if you understand this and go back to sipping tea and bowing for the Queen.. K, thanks.

.......If you have nothing to actually add to a debate and stick to ridiculous comments like this, it's better not to post them.



I also noticed you contradicted yourself multiple times. First you say Nazi occupied Germany, then 18th Century Venice. Just hush, lol, you're killing yourself.

The term became more widely known and used in the late 1930s and early 40s, as Jews were moved from their towns into ghettos before they were sent to concentration and/or death camps.

[Origami]

So could you stop acting as if you understand this and go back to sipping tea and bowing for the Queen.. K, thanks.

What was that about racism?

[Professional Russian]

image (http://i.imgur.com/h4JxFDv.jpg)

Definitions change with the times.. Read Webster's for a change.. Harry, America is different than the UK. I know in some cases, some of the methods and ideals from over there may work here, but majority of the time they won't. So could you stop acting as if you understand this and go back to sipping tea and bowing for the Queen.. K, thanks.



I also noticed you contradicted yourself multiple times. First you say Nazi occupied Germany, then 18th Century Venice. Just hush, lol, you're killing yourself.

Oh and your expert on ghettos aren't you?

[comical]

Yea, you're right. By saying that, however, you're contradicting your own point.
If the definition of ghetto changes, then it would change in the form you're using to not mean an oppressive, restrictive place to live.

Debating about etymologies in a debate is useless. By saying that black people live in ghettos, you are either saying one of two things:

1. They are living in a ghetto in the same way Jewish people once did.
2. "Ghetto" has come to mean a 'slum' or an area in which many people live who receive very low income, who are generally poor, etc.

And the only definition that makes sense in this argument is #2. You aren't being physically restricted to stay there, so yes, one can in fact "leave" the ghetto. No I'm guessing it's not easy, but it's far from impossible.


I think you're getting my responses mixed up with someone else's. I never said one was physically bound to the place. :confused::lol::what:

No?
Yes?

.......If you have nothing to actually add to a debate and stick to ridiculous comments like this, it's better not to post them.

Didn't realise I was breaking any rules.. :rolleyes: I understand, though..

The term became more widely known and used in the late 1930s and early 40s, as Jews were moved from their towns into ghettos before they were sent to concentration and/or death camps.

:yawn: He still contradicted himself in posting multiple "origins" of the word.

Oh and your expert on ghettos aren't you?
lol, never an expert. Experience and knowledge? :yeah:

What was that about racism?
I posted a stereotype, there's a distinct difference.

[Professional Russian]

I think you're getting my responses mixed up with someone else's. I never said one was physically bound to the place. :confused::lol::what:


Yes?


Didn't realise I was breaking any rules.. :rolleyes: I understand, though..


:yawn: He still contradicted himself in posting multiple "origins" of the word.

He said it originated in what the 18 century? Then went to say it was more widely known during and after WWII because of the holocaust. Or am I contradicting myself too?

[StoppingTime]

I think you're getting my responses mixed up with someone else's. I never said one was physically bound to the place.

Yea, that could be possible I suppose. I didn't reread all 8 pages of this thread before posting :P


Yes?

Then give some examples and back them up.


Didn't realise I was breaking any rules.. :rolleyes: I understand, though..


Well it's not only that, but it was a racist comment. Ironic huh? And no, it wasn't just stereotypical, seeing as it's not really a stereotype of British people that they all bow and heavily respect the queen.


:yawn: He still contradicted himself in posting multiple "origins" of the word.


Great, now let's get back to the debate topic rather than nitpicking things like this.

[comical]

Well it's not only that, but it was a racist comment. Ironic huh? And no, it wasn't just stereotypical, seeing as it's not really a stereotype of British people that they all bow and heavily respect the queen.


Being British isn't a race, it's a nationality. If British and American are races, this would be called a colorism debate and not racism. But back on topic..

[MarisWonder]

Time for me to say something most likely unrelated to all of your discussions at the moment, and you might ignore it but, yolo.

Racism has always been around. There really isn't anything to debate, honestly. There will be racist people, there will be people who bash religions and sexualities, people who hate anyone who doesnt agree with them....and if we didn't have these things we wouldn't have extremist groups like KKK or Al Queda.

Me and my mom take care of foster children(No, I am not one) and we are currently dealing with a family who is racist and trying to install those beliefs on the children we take care of. I remember when they first moved here, the boy would always blame me for something that went missing. "Where's my DS, I know you took it" "Well did you check the bathroom didn't you just go in there with it?" and of course he would find it. This went on pretty much everyday until he began to realize that anyone would steal something...considering his sister is a thief.

They got out of these racist habits until they began to spend more time with their family...now they've gone back to their racist bashing ways.

The boy always tells me about how he wants to have the knowledge of the universe...I never say anything, but I know that the first step is to accept people as people. not as gay or straight, black, white or asian. You are a person, I am a person.

once someone realizes that, they can begin to call themself wise.

[Sugaree]

So could you stop acting as if you understand this and go back to sipping tea and bowing for the Queen.. K, thanks.

Good job using racism to prove your non-existent point :rolleyes:

[Origami]

I posted a stereotype, there's a distinct difference.

Oh, right. My bad, I forgot stereotypes are okay. Doesn't really matter, not you're trying to justify a different form of hate. Good job!

Also, use our usernames next time so we get the notifications.

[MarisWonder]

So could you stop acting as if you understand this and go back to sipping tea and bowing for the Queen.. K, thanks.Good job using racism to prove your non-existent point

Not racism.

1. British/English is a nationality, not a race. You can be african-english, or asian-english.
2. This is a stereotype, not racist as i said before.

Racist: "You can take your white queen-loving behind back to England and whip a few slaves" (Not being serious, just an example, but I know someone's gonna ignore that and pounce on me)

Stereotype: "British people idolize the queen." "British people drink tea all day"


Oh, right. My bad, I forgot stereotypes are okay. Doesn't really matter, not you're trying to justify a different form of hate. Good job!

Also, use our usernames next time so we get the notifications.

Stereotypes are not necessarily hate. If I say "all people with dreads smoke weed", that is a stereotype, but does that make it hate?
"Little girls love tutus"
"Girls love Beyonce"
Stereotypes, but not hate

[comical]

Racist: "You can take your white queen-loving behind back to England and whip a few slaves" (Not being serious, just an example, but I know someone's gonna ignore that and pounce on me)

Stereotype: "British people idolize the queen." "British people drink tea all day"


I love you, lol.

Good job using racism to prove your non-existent point
Being British isn't a race, it's a nationality. If British and American are races, this would be called a colorism debate and not racism.
If I had no point, I would not of posted it. Behind every season there is a reason.

[Southside]

It's not a ghetto. Ghetto implies that your physically imprionsoned and segregated there based on either your race or religion. It's your way of attempting to over exaggerate it.

Top down development by the government doesn't always work, you can't simply throw money at the problem and hope that it will go away

So you prefer for me to call it a slum? Im not exaggerating anything, like I said previously, Im calling it how it really is. It's not "throwing money at the the problem",its investing money so these economically and socially disadvantage people can have a chance to get somewhere. Yourself and Origami keep saying "aspire" and "strive" to move out of these places, you can aspire all you want, if you dont have the proper resources your in a hole.People in these disadvantaged areas, arent getting the proper education to compete in the job market. All I want is equal resources and equal funding for ALL areas, black,white, or hispanic.

[comical]

So you prefer for me to call it a slum? Im not exaggerating anything, like I said previously, Im calling it on how it is. It's not "throwing money at the the problem",its investing money so these economically and socially disadvantage people can have a chance to get somewhere. Yourself and Origami keep saying "aspire" and "strive" to move out of these places, you can aspire all you want, if you dont have the proper resources your in a hole. All I want is equal resources and equal funding for ALL areas, black,white, or hispanic.

I saw a tweet recently that said:
"Rich kids are educated to run corporations, poor kids are "educated" to work for those corporations"

Totally true. Equal funding and equal resources sadly don't exist. Like I posted about the predicament with my school and other schools in my county. My school has a state-of-the-art STEM and Technology lab, multiple CTE and Business facilitators and one of the greatest ELA Programs in my region. A school up the highway in the "ghetto" has none of the three and uses outdated textbooks and the county treats them like pure manure.

[MarisWonder]

So you prefer for me to call it a slum? Im not exaggerating anything, like I said previously, Im calling it on how it is. It's not "throwing money at the the problem",its investing money so these economically and socially disadvantage people can have a chance to get somewhere. Yourself and Origami keep saying "aspire" and "strive" to move out of these places, you can aspire all you want, if you dont have the proper resources your in a hole. All I want is equal resources and equal funding for ALL areas, black,white, or hispanic.

It really isn't as easy as it sounds.

Ghettos became ghettos during segregation times. Banks would not let minorities take out a home loan so that they could have a house of their own.

There was a certain part in town that those people could live in, because it was the only place they could afford. The areas would usually be marked off by a red line, and thats how they would know where to look for a place.

They would end up not getting as much of an education as say, the family across town, who the bank let take out a loan. Because they didn't have much of an education, they couldn't get a job that would fund enough for them to move out. And this goes on for generations and generations, unless you are lucky enough to marry someone who does have an education, and provide a life for your new family

I live in what is called the 'ghetto'. It's about 2 acres of land in the middle of this area. This is because when my grandmother and grandfather moved here in the 70's, this was the only place minorities could buy land/houses. And they ended up building their house here.

[Harry Smith]

I saw a tweet recently that said:
"Rich kids are educated to run corporations, poor kids are "educated" to work for those corporations"

Totally true. Equal funding and equal resources sadly don't exist. Like I posted about the predicament with my school and other schools in my county. My school has a state-of-the-art STEM and Technology lab, multiple CTE and Business facilitators and one of the greatest ELA Programs in my region. A school up the highway in the "ghetto" has none of the three and uses outdated textbooks and the county treats them like pure manure.

Well it's good to have a defeatist attitude about it isn't it. If your poor then there is nothing you can do but just give up and see what happens...

Have you heard of Alan sugar, lived in an east London council estate with virtually no money, he's 65 now and has one of the largest business empire's in Britain. He didn't let the fact he came from a shit area stop him, he worked hard and got on with it

[MarisWonder]

Well it's good to have a defeatist attitude about it isn't it. If your poor then there is nothing you can do but just give up and see what happens...

Have you heard of Alan sugar, lived in an east London council estate with virtually no money, he's 65 now and has one of the largest business empire's in Britain. He didn't let the fact he came from a shit area stop him, he worked hard and got on with it

Do you realize the chances of that happening? So that happened to one person. What about the other millions of people? Trust me, no one actually wants to be there. No one. But unless you have the education(which most don't, like I said in a post above), and someone is willing to fund you the thousands of dollars you need to start a whatever business it is you want, and not many people are handing out thousand dollar loans to minorities, then you HAVE to accept the fact that that's where you are from, and just try your best to do a little better.

You can want to be Bill Gates, or Hugh Hefner all you want, but you will not transform into him.

I can aspire to get out all I want. But if I apply for a job, and so does a white male, guess who they will most likely consider over me? Even if we do not put down race, they look at names. Racial profiling is real, and until you experience it, all you can do is talk.

Sadly, you won't experience it.

[Harry Smith]

Do you realize the chances of that happening? So that happened to one person. What about the other millions of people? Trust me, no one actually wants to be there. No one. But unless you have the education(which most don't, like I said in a post above), and someone is willing to fund you the thousands of dollars you need to start a whatever business it is you want, and not many people are handing out thousand dollar loans to minorities, then you HAVE to accept the fact that that's where you are from, and just try your best to do a little better.

You can want to be Bill Gates, or Hugh Hefner all you want, but you will not transform into him.

I can aspire to get out all I want. But if I apply for a job, and so does a white male, guess who they will most likely consider over me? Even if we do not put down race, they look at names. Racial profiling is real, and until you experience it, all you can do is talk.

Sadly, you won't experience it.

image (http://i.imgur.com/h4JxFDv.jpg)

Definitions change with the times.. Read Webster's for a change.. Harry, America is different than the UK. I know in some cases, some of the methods and ideals from over there may work here, but majority of the time they won't. So could you stop acting as if you understand this and go back to sipping tea and bowing for the Queen.. K, thanks.

I also noticed you contradicted yourself multiple times. First you say Nazi occupied Germany, then 18th Century Venice. Just hush, lol, you're killing yourself.

This is complete bollocks, it's not the 1970's. America has the problem of Positive Discrimination much as south Africa does. Firms are hiring people purely because they're black not at all based on there abilities. Banks don't give a shit if your white. black or hispanic. They're only concerned about getting the money back, so sure if you walk in and ask for a million dollar loan with no business plan then they won't give you the money

I love how you assume that I've never had to experience it

That's not a contradiction.... I said it originates from JEWISH ghettos in Venice, but was then brought into prominence by the Nazis. The one thing they both have in common is that they forced Jews to live in one area without movement or hope.

I find it funny how on a thread about Racism we have people saying that minorities don't have enough money or enough rights yet they then go and make comments which are bordering on Racism

[Harry Smith]

Double post

[MarisWonder]

This is complete bollocks, it's not the 1970's. America has the problem of Positive Discrimination much as south Africa does. Firms are hiring people purely because they're black not at all based on there abilities. Banks don't give a shit if your white. black or hispanic. They're only concerned about getting the money back, so sure if you walk in and ask for a million dollar loan with no business plan then they won't give you the money

I love how you assume that I've never had to experience it

That's not a contradiction.... I said it originates from JEWISH ghettos in Venice, but was then brought into prominence by the Nazis. The one thing they both have in common is that they forced Jews to live in one area without movement or hope.

I find it funny how on a thread about Racism we have people saying that minorities don't have enough money or enough rights yet they then go and make comments which are bordering on Racism

I really don't know what world you live in. Honestly, I don't. If you live in another country then they may be different, but here, in America, in my area, this is a very real thing. You can call it 'bullocks', you can say it's not the 1970's, but it is this way, but the past is what set us up for this, and it will take a long time to get back to normal.

I assume you have no experience, because I assume you are not a black person in the ghetto looking for a job, going to a public school with 5 year old textbooks and not knowing how you're going to feed the family that night. But I must be wrong.

[Origami]

I assume you have no experience, because I assume you are not a black person in the ghetto looking for a job, going to a public school with 5 year old textbooks and not knowing how you're going to feed the family that night. But I must be wrong.

•Are you black? [No.]
•Are you looking for a job? [Yes. In a devastated community with no offerings.]
•Did your public high school have 5 year old textbooks? [I think the right number was 7, in fact.]
•How will your family support itself tonight? [Your guess is as good as mine!]

It's called poverty and it's a global issue. It does not discriminate. It does not privilege.

You've both missed why Harry and I are so irate with this thread. A debate on racism? All I've seen is a list of "why it is hard" labeled as a list of "why I can nots." Regardless of what anyone says, there are employers who don't give a fuck about your location, your age, your gender, or your race. When people have the aspiration to achieve and the drive to do so, it is possible. Even if it is only possible for your children in the future and not necessarily yourself.

[Harry Smith]

I really don't know what world you live in. Honestly, I don't. If you live in another country then they may be different, but here, in America, in my area, this is a very real thing. You can call it 'bullocks', you can say it's not the 1970's, but it is this way, but the past is what set us up for this, and it will take a long time to get back to normal.

I assume you have no experience, because I assume you are not a black person in the ghetto looking for a job, going to a public school with 5 year old textbooks and not knowing how you're going to feed the family that night. But I must be wrong.

I'm sorry that I'm not black, I'm also sorry that I don't go to shit school. I should just give up trying to debate but you are so clearly right

[comical]

I'm sorry that I'm not black, I'm also sorry that I don't go to shit school. I should just give up trying to debate but you are so clearly right

Finally. Like I have stressed in previous posts, you won't understand it. A lot of people just won't understand it. As the great Albert Einstein once said, "Experience is knowledge... Everything else is just information." We could try in another 100 posts explaining this to you, but it won't work unless you experience it.

[Sugaree]

•Are you black? [No.]
•Are you looking for a job? [Yes. In a devastated community with no offerings.]
•Did your public high school have 5 year old textbooks? [I think the right number was 7, in fact.]
•How will your family support itself tonight? [Your guess is as good as mine!]

It's called poverty and it's a global issue. It does not discriminate. It does not privilege.

You've both missed why Harry and I are so irate with this thread. A debate on racism? All I've seen is a list of "why it is hard" labeled as a list of "why I can nots." Regardless of what anyone says, there are employers who don't give a fuck about your location, your age, your gender, or your race. When people have the aspiration to achieve and the drive to do so, it is possible. Even if it is only possible for your children in the future and not necessarily yourself.

I think Josh has hit the nail on the head multiple times in this thread, this post just caps it all off.

What MarisWonder, SouthsidePro, and company seem to forget is that it's not the 1800s anymore. You aren't slaves, you aren't being oppressed by the government, you aren't being told what to do. You are all your own human beings, and just because you seem to be "stuck" in an economically disadvantaged situation does not mean you are there forever. More than anything, you're reinforcing the stereotypes that those people who DO live in the ghetto are always there no matter what. And that, in and of itself, is racist to say because of the minorities that make up those ghettos.

But hey, what do I know. I'm a middle-class white kid, that must make me less qualified to talk about racism and the problems it creates.

[Harry Smith]

Finally. Like I have stressed in previous posts, you won't understand it. A lot of people just won't understand it. As the great Albert Einstein once said, "Experience is knowledge... Everything else is just information." We could try in another 100 posts explaining this to you, but it won't work unless you experience it.

I was being sarcastic...

I've had a murder on my road, I've been mugged 4 times, I've had to a project on RFK and the civil rights movement. Just because I'm white and British doesn't mean as Fisk stated that I don't understand how it works.

I don't even know what you've been going on about, is your point that the Federal government refuse to give minority areas no funding based on the fact there white?

You have no solid point

[Sugaree]

I was being sarcastic...

I've had a murder on my road, I've been mugged 4 times, I've had to a project on RFK and the civil rights movement. Just because I'm white and British doesn't mean as Fisk stated that I don't understand how it works.

I don't even know what you've been going on about, is your point that the Federal government refuse to give minority areas no funding based on the fact there white?

You have no solid point

But according to them, since you're white, that makes you a racist by default. This attitude might be more common than you think, Harry, because I've been confronted with it multiple times.

Reverse racism is real, but gods forbid a WHITE person ever feel disadvantaged!

[Harry Smith]

But according to them, since you're white, that makes you a racist by default. This attitude might be more common than you think, Harry, because I've been confronted with it multiple times.

Reverse racism is real, but gods forbid a WHITE person ever feel disadvantaged!

The evil white man is always wrong. It's bloody stupid, I don't even know what the OP said but it's just been them moaning that they live in a shit area and that must be racism somehow. Damn Geography!

[Origami]

Can I just add that this is no longer a debate over racism but a debate over the slums. And the slums, I don't care what you say, is home to all races. Yes, some are more prominent but everyone lives there.

[Celtic.]

You're right. Minorities are treated much better. I don't understand how blacks are minorities, there are a ton of blacks, especially Mexicans. You can't go anywhere without seeing a José Cuervo

-image removed. -Emerald Dream

No we arent and whoever told you that Sure doesent get out much

[comical]

But according to them, since you're white, that makes you a racist by default. This attitude might be more common than you think, Harry, because I've been confronted with it multiple times.

Reverse racism is real, but gods forbid a WHITE person ever feel disadvantaged!
The evil white man is always wrong. It's bloody stupid, I don't even know what the OP said but it's just been them moaning that they live in a shit area and that must be racism somehow. Damn Geography!

Since you are always claiming Im being disrespectful or breaking rules, here's something else to blabber about: You're dumb as hell.

Both of you, at that. No one said that since you're white you're racist, but if the shoe fits you might as well wear it.

This sure isn't the 1800s any more, but the GVMT still is oppressing minorities and poor ignorant white people. Jim Crow never died, he just changed clothes. Poor white people like you all swear America isn't racist when this same government is oppressing you all economically just as it is us. Also this doesn't just pertain to Amerikkka but anywhere else as well.

Harry, just because you had a murder down the street and you did a project on the RFk and Crm doesn't mean anything. I bet you got majority of your "information" from textbooks and the Internet. These sources aren't gonna give you anything but well-dressed white lies.

"The naked truth is always better than a well-dressed lie"

Like I said, experience is knowledge. Please excuse any grammatical errors, I'm using my phone.

Amerikkka, Amerikkka, God please shed your grace on thee.

[Origami]

Poor white people like you all swear America isn't racist when this same government is oppressing you all economically just as it is us.

Thank you for proving my point! You have just lost this debate. As I said, this isn't racism, it's poverty.

[Sugaree]

Since you are always claiming Im being disrespectful or breaking rules, here's something else to blabber about: You're dumb as hell.

Both of you, at that. No one said that since you're white you're racist, but if the shoe fits you might as well wear it.

This sure isn't the 1800s any more, but the GVMT still is oppressing minorities and poor ignorant white people. Jim Crow never died, he just changed clothes. Poor white people like you all swear America isn't racist when this same government is oppressing you all economically just as it is us. Also this doesn't just pertain to Amerikkka but anywhere else as well.

Harry, just because you had a murder down the street and you did a project on the RFk and Crm doesn't mean anything. I bet you got majority of your "information" from textbooks and the Internet. These sources aren't gonna give you anything but well-dressed white lies.

"The naked truth is always better than a well-dressed lie"

Like I said, experience is knowledge. Please excuse any grammatical errors, I'm using my phone.

Amerikkka, Amerikkka, God please shed your grace on thee.

:rolleyes:

[Harry Smith]

Since you are always claiming Im being disrespectful or breaking rules, here's something else to blabber about: You're dumb as hell.

Both of you, at that. No one said that since you're white you're racist, but if the shoe fits you might as well wear it.

This sure isn't the 1800s any more, but the GVMT still is oppressing minorities and poor ignorant white people. Jim Crow never died, he just changed clothes. Poor white people like you all swear America isn't racist when this same government is oppressing you all economically just as it is us. Also this doesn't just pertain to Amerikkka but anywhere else as well.

Harry, just because you had a murder down the street and you did a project on the RFk and Crm doesn't mean anything. I bet you got majority of your "information" from textbooks and the Internet. These sources aren't gonna give you anything but well-dressed white lies.

"The naked truth is always better than a well-dressed lie"

Like I said, experience is knowledge. Please excuse any grammatical errors, I'm using my phone.

Amerikkka, Amerikkka, God please shed your grace on thee.

Nope, I can provide you with the books that I've learnt this information if you want,I have them about 5 metres away from me. So if you can't trust textbooks or books then how do any historians validate there work because trust me they're are hundreds of historians who are more knowledgeable then you and they got there information from books.

I love how you're calling as dumb when you are the very thing you swear to hate- Your damn close to Racism against white people, it's screams from your post. Show some knowledge and raise yourself from petty racism.

But please show me evidence that the Federal government has targeted black people by cutting off resources based on there race

[Southside]

•Are you black? [No.]
•Are you looking for a job? [Yes. In a devastated community with no offerings.]
•Did your public high school have 5 year old textbooks? [I think the right number was 7, in fact.]
•How will your family support itself tonight? [Your guess is as good as mine!]

It's called poverty and it's a global issue. It does not discriminate. It does not privilege.

You've both missed why Harry and I are so irate with this thread. A debate on racism? All I've seen is a list of "why it is hard" labeled as a list of "why I can nots." Regardless of what anyone says, there are employers who don't give a fuck about your location, your age, your gender, or your race. When people have the aspiration to achieve and the drive to do so, it is possible. Even if it is only possible for your children in the future and not necessarily yourself.


I dont know what point Comical & Mariswonder are trying to get across.
What I've been trying to across get you and Harry to understand is we(Innercity minorities) do not have the same equal education or resources as a white area. Like Ive said about 3 trillion times, you can aspire all you want, if you dont have the correct resources to get somewhere, your in a ditch. Why dont you guys understand that innercity schools have been neglected for DECADES. Until innercity schools have the SAME books, computers, quality educators, quality buildings as a white area, I will not be satisfied.
My Points:
1.Invest in Inner-City areas
2.Rebuild schools, put quality teachers and learning equipment in.
3. Provide more programs to disadvantaged youths
4. Give innercity schools the same resources as a white suburban school.

[Harry Smith]

I dont know what point Comical & Mariswonder are trying to get across.
What I've been trying to across get you and Harry to understand is we(Innercity minorities) do not have the same equal education or resources as a white area. Like Ive said about 3 trillion times, you can aspire all you want, if you dont have the correct resources to get somewhere, your in a ditch. Why dont you guys understand that innercity schools have been neglected for DECADES.

So is it your belief that someone or some group in the federal or state government refuse to give funding to schools because they are 'black' or 'hispanic' schools?

[Southside]

So is it your belief that someone or some group in the federal or state government refuse to give funding to schools because they are 'black' or 'hispanic' schools?

No, a government might not give funding to a for a number of reasons, low academic performance(ties back to lack of funding and quality teachers) is a big one.

[Origami]

I dont know what point Comical & Mariswonder are trying to get across.
What I've been trying to across get you and Harry to understand is we(Innercity minorities) do not have the same equal education or resources as a white area. Like Ive said about 3 trillion times, you can aspire all you want, if you dont have the correct resources to get somewhere, your in a ditch. Why dont you guys understand that innercity schools have been neglected for DECADES. Until innercity schools have the SAME books, computers, quality educators, quality buildings as a white area, I will not be satisfied.
My Points:
1.Invest in Inner-City areas
2.Rebuild schools, put quality teachers and learning equipment in.
3. Provide more programs to disadvantaged youths
4. Give innercity schools the same resources as a white suburban school.

You're again debating on the slums, not racism.

But the most racist part of this statement is that you assume areas are racial.
An area is predominantly one race, but it is not racial. The inner city schools have white kids in them, they just aren't as prominent as minorities. ...Who aren't minorities in that area, but the majority actually. Go figure!

This again has nothing to do with racism, it's a debate on poverty ridden areas. Can we please get on a real racial discussion and not a geographical and economical one. Anyone? Anyone at all?

[comical]

Well to get back on topic..

Black kids are 10 times more likely to be arrested on a drug charge, even though drug abuse is more prevalent among white kids.
Yeah, racism is long gone..

This tweet explains what SouthsidePro was saying, and what I sort of drifted away from: https://twitter.com/theblackvoice/status/345525125820596224 Also read the reply tweet.

@Bran_BearMCMXIV: #WelcomeToAmerikkka where ignorance is encouraged by the social media to keep black people from seeing the real world
Also the ignorance that is earned by unequal education.

@BtpPope: #WelcomeToAmerikkka where gun control isn't talked about until white kids start dying.
Well say it ain't so. Since racism is gone what do you all think about this? Since the government doesn't oppress us anymore, what do you all think about these? Tryin to propose a topic of discussion on racism since some1 is seeming agitated with our current one. Some people can't handle the truth. I was about to apologize for drifting off-topic, but I won't apologize for speaking the truth.

[Southside]

You're again debating on the slums, not racism.

But the most racist part of this statement is that you assume areas are racial.
An area is predominantly one race, but it is not racial. The inner city schools have white kids in them, they just aren't as prominent as minorities. ...Who aren't minorities in that area, but the majority actually. Go figure!

This again has nothing to do with racism, it's a debate on poverty ridden areas. Can we please get on a real racial discussion and not a geographical and economical one. Anyone? Anyone at all?

They are racial, Am I going to see a white family with a big slobbering dog in the middle of Harlem or the Southside of Chicago? 9 times out of 10 NO. I can literally count the amount of white people in my school on both hands, its less than 15.I wont put any "racism" into this one. Answer this, does a innercity school have the same resources as a suburban one?

[Harry Smith]

This argument is no longer about Racism but it's about poverty and the differences between cities and suburbs. Can you get back to the topic of Racism because as you mentioned cities don't lack funding based on racism it's based on there location. This has nothing to do with institutional racism

[comical]

Answer this, does a innercity school have the same resources as a suburban one?

Nope. Not even half of the resources and technology. The teachers are mostly only there for the paycheck.

[KimuraWannabe116]

This thread has completely going off of the topic of Racism. From Racism, to petty name calling, to education, and poverty now. This thread in my opinion is no longer good.

[comical]

This thread has completely going off of the topic of Racism. From Racism, to petty name calling, to education, and poverty now. This thread in my opinion is no longer good.


What you all fail to realize, there are some racial aspects in regards with poverty and the Ghetto. You don't see an all white neighborhood having this problem? Never.. I bet if they ever did, it would be resolved in a short matter of time. It's not a problem until you're white or have money.

[Sugaree]

What you all fail to realize, there are some racial aspects in regards with poverty and the Ghetto. You don't see an all white neighborhood having this problem? Never.. I bet if they ever did, it would be resolved in a short matter of time. It's not a problem until you're white or have money.

"Don't worry, I'm not a racist because I'm black and know how hard it is!"

Proceed to be racist against whites.

Have you ever been to the more rural parts of this country? There's plenty of poor white people out there who don't get help. The Appalachian Mountains are full of Southern whites who are so poor that they live with dirt floors. Blacks aren't the only poor group, grow the fuck up.

[Origami]

Can we please stop acting like all white people are rich? Poverty isn't racial.

I'm a white kid who lives under the flag of poverty. And I am not from the slums. Now, let's talk about where minorities are actually deprived and hindered. If all your argument is is that they're in underfunded locations, racism doesn't technically exist. But it does! Now show it, please.

[StoppingTime]

"Don't worry, I'm not a racist because I'm black and know how hard it is!"

Proceed to be racist against whites.

Have you ever been to the more rural parts of this country? There's plenty of poor white people out there who don't get help. The Appalachian Mountains are full of Southern whites who are so poor that they live with dirt floors. Blacks aren't the only poor group, grow the fuck up.

All of this. Black people and minorities in general aren't automatically poor, nor are they the only poor group of people in America. It only seems to turn into a problem when a someone who isn't black or a minority says this, and that (assuming all white people are rich and privileged) is just as racist.

And yes, let's get on topic please.

[comical]

"Don't worry, I'm not a racist because I'm black and know how hard it is!"

Proceed to be racist against whites.

Have you ever been to the more rural parts of this country? There's plenty of poor white people out there who don't get help. The Appalachian Mountains are full of Southern whites who are so poor that they live with dirt floors. Blacks aren't the only poor group, grow the fuck up.

How about you grow the fuck up and learn to read? You all often make assumptions out of the sky. No one said whites are the only poor group in the US. Right here in NC there are plenty of poor whites. Just because I chose not to talk about them doesn't mean I don't know about them. Whenever white people hear the truth about you all, you go and claim somebody is being racist. In not one of my posts did I say anything racist, but if that's how you took it I really don't give a damn.

@StoppingTime Although I never assumed all white people are rich, how the hell is making an assumption racist? The way you all think confuses the heck out of me.

[Origami]

How about you grow the fuck up and learn to read? You all often make assumptions out of the sky. No one said whites are the only poor group in the US. Right here in NC there are plenty of poor whites. Just because I chose not to talk about them doesn't mean I don't know about them. Whenever white people hear the truth about you all, you go and claim somebody is being racist. In not one of my posts did I say anything racist, but if that's how you took it I really don't give a damn.

@StoppingTime Although I never assumed all white people are rich, how the hell is making an assumption racist? The way you all think confuses the heck out of me.

Refusing to acknowledge a portion of the information is loading your statement in your favor. That really doesn't help your credibility. And actually, a lot of your statements and other statements in this thread have been racist. This whole thread is nothing but a joke at this point.

And how is making an assumption racist? Let me show you!

I assume all black people are dug dealers or thugs. Racist statement!
I assume all Mexicans are illegal aliens! Racist statement!
I assume all middle eastern people are terrorists and will blow me up if I get near them! Racist statement!

But assumptions aren't racist, right?