No guns=peace

[tovaris]

If we simply stop making military weapons and provocation useless arguments our world would finally be at peace?
Agree? Disagree? What's your opinion?

[Pinkamena]

War.
War never changes.

Swords, catapults, fire, and many other primitive tools were proven to be effective instruments of war.
As long as there are people, we will fight, and others will die.
'Peace' cannot exist without conflict.

[likemike]

Getting rid of guns is not the answer

[Stronk Serb]

Well we would stab eachother with sharpened sticks. Guns do not kill people. People kill people. Guns are just made to make the killing easier and faster. We need to mentally evolve.

[britishboy]

we need guns for war, but war will exist without guns and always will do, so we must be bugger and more powerful

[ollyollyoxenfree]

Arms limitation is not the answer to peace.
Mediation and understanding is, unless there was some way to have every nation, citizen, and organization lay down their arms and understand each other there would be no peace, just disarmed armies at the will of the one who did not lay down their arms.

[Stronk Serb]

we need guns for war, but war will exist without guns and always will do, so we must be bugger and more powerful

Take away guns= Modern wars with medieval personal weapons an no firearms.
Take away medieval weapons= People killing eachother with sharpened sticks and primitive blades.
Take away that= We still have our hands, arms, legs, heads etc. The problem is our brain. We have not yet mentally evolved to quit fighting over petty feuds.

[britishboy]

Take away guns= Modern wars with medieval personal weapons an no firearms.
Take away medieval weapons= People killing eachother with sharpened sticks and primitive blades.
Take away that= We still have our hands, arms, legs, heads etc. The problem is our brain. We have not yet mentally evolved to quit fighting over petty feuds.

some wars must be fought, for long term future peace for example the war on terror

[PinkFloyd]

If you've ever played GTA IV free mode with friendly fire off, (guns do not cause damage) then you know that other players just find OTHER ways to kill you weather it's with a car, or explosives.

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

[Origami]

This has to be the dumbest thought ever on these forums. What do you think people fought with before the invention of gun powder?

Even if you took away every weapon available to humanity as well as our ingenuity to create them, we'd just punch each other to death.

[Horatio Nelson]

This has to be the dumbest thought ever on these forums. What do you think people fought with before the invention of gun powder?

Even if you took away every weapon available to humanity as well as our ingenuity to create them, we'd just punch each other to death.

You Sir, are a genius.

[Stronk Serb]

some wars must be fought, for long term future peace for example the war on terror


I was stating that we should mentally evole as humankind and forget about our petty squabbles and concentrate on the universe, not shedding eachother's blood.

If you've ever played GTA IV free mode with friendly fire off, (guns do not cause damage) then you know that other players just find OTHER ways to kill you weather it's with a car, or explosives.

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

Tell me about it. I plaid GTA: SA multiplayer and I was annoying some dude who flew in jumbojets by constantly going kamikaze into him with some of those smaller planes. Usually a Cesna.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

It is a stupid argument.

[Cicero]

Stupid notion

Before there were guns there was war. It's apart of being human, we want to be the best, we want the best, we want the most. If another country has more gold than we do, we will fight them for it. If they have something we don't, we'll work to get it.

[britishboy]

I was stating that we should mentally evole as humankind and forget about our petty squabbles and concentrate on the universe, not shedding eachother's blood.
in the ideal world yes but we wont

[tovaris]

in the ideal world yes but we wont

if you look at a half filed glass and say its emoty, it will newer get filled.

[Stronk Serb]

in the ideal world yes but we wont


We will when we run out of resources. Then we will start thinking with our heads and not asses.

[Cygnus]

Well, guns kind of ruined fighting, you can be a martial arts expert and everything but now a days someone can just pull out a gone and you're dead. Guns wouldn't bring peace, however they could lower the amount of deaths and make fighting more fun again.

[britishboy]

We will when we run out of resources. Then we will start thinking with our heads and not asses.

non renewable resources and being replaced with renewable resources so that wont happen and wars are becoming smaller, I doubt there will be another hundred years war or world war

[Taryn98]

War.
War never changes.

Swords, catapults, fire, and many other primitive tools were proven to be effective instruments of war.
As long as there are people, we will fight, and others will die.
'Peace' cannot exist without conflict.

This sums it up pretty well.

[Jess]

Removing guns won't bring peace.

[Origami]

We will when we run out of resources. Then we will start thinking with our heads and not asses.

No we won't. We'll just fight more.

[Sugaree]

Please maticek, stop making these straw man threads that have no point. It's getting old.

[The LOLer]

No. People will use their fists. People kill people.

[Professional Russian]

Take away guns= Modern wars with medieval personal weapons an no firearms.
Take away medieval weapons= People killing eachother with sharpened sticks and primitive blades.
Take away that= We still have our hands, arms, legs, heads etc. The problem is our brain. We have not yet mentally evolved to quit fighting over petty feuds.

"Mentally Evolved" are you mentally evolved and no one else is?

[Origami]

"Mentally Evolved" are you mentally evolved and no one else is?

From past threads, it would assume he believes so.

Yet he has an unusual hatred for the west. Go figure! Evolved and still failing.

[Professional Russian]

From past threads, it would assume he believes so.

Yet he has an unusual hatred for the west. Go figure! Evolved and still failing.

He can take that evolution and shove up his ass.

[WickedWeekend]

He can take that evolution and shove up his ass.

At the very least, let's be respectful to the dude. C'mon. You might not agree with what he says, (while I don't either) you have to respect him as a human being. Stop making underhanded comments toward other users. It looks bad.

As for the OP, this has been said before, but, guns are just a tool to help killing. Take away that and we still have sharpened sticks and catapults. Take those away and we'll brawl to the death. War will always exist, because this isn't a perfect world.

[Danny Phantom]

This has to be the dumbest thought ever on these forums. What do you think people fought with before the invention of gun powder?

Even if you took away every weapon available to humanity as well as our ingenuity to create them, we'd just punch each other to death.

*bows down*
Preach Josh!

Must I say, I agree with some people on here over this.
Guns aren't the cause of violence, People are. Guns shouldn't be removed or taken away.
Our minds need to change as well as our thought processes for anything close to peace to occur.

Sadly, I don't think peace can be reached in any way, unless thought processes are changed. People will always have views and opinions on things, and will fight to the death to prove that their views are correct. Pride is our biggest downfall as humans, not any "weapon".

[teen.jpg]

Sadly, achieving world peace isn't NEARLY that simple.

[Castle of Glass]

my only answer:
of the past 3,400 years of human life, only 268 were peaceful. and when i say peaceful i mean world peace.

[Stronk Serb]

"Mentally Evolved" are you mentally evolved and no one else is?


No. But we honestly need to stop fighting like children. Terrorist attacks due to some religious bullcrap, why is it good for? Nothing. Resource related wars, if the world was a unified state, they would be unneeded. When we deplete the last gram of iron, when we spend our last drop of oil, and drink our last glass of pure spring water, what will we do next? Fight for nothing?

[Delete123]

Weapons, be it guns, swords, spears, cannons or even a knife all are used not just in wars but for our own survival. Our ancestors hunted to feed the family with weapons, man acted in self-defense against predators, etc.
Weapons used in war, are not to blame, but us rather the people who seek power, land, fame and wealth all fight because of fear, they are afraid of others who seek the same things and will strike them first hence the constant warring.
The lack of weapons do not symbolize peace rather humans will pick up other things to harm, to fight, even if they cannot find those things, they have their fist and feet, to fight like the past warriors without weapons.
Sorry for the long post :D

[Bath]

No legal way to get guns creates a black market.

Also, if you want to have complete control over the public, strip them of their weapons. I forgot who said that but it's true. I don't want a government full of weapons when the people can't have them.

It's either between gun regulation or no gun regulation. That's the major debate. Getting rid of guns altogether is objectively stupid.

[britishboy]

I think no large automatic weapons, theyre not used for hunting and a shotgun or pistol will deal with the threat to you or your stuff

[tovaris]

Please maticek, stop making these straw man threads that have no point. It's getting old.

It is not pointles i want to make people think, preferably with their own heads.

[Harry Smith]

It is not pointles i want to make people think, preferably with their own heads.

There was virtually no thinking, everyone dismissed your argument straight away. There is virtually no debate in this thread

[tovaris]

There was virtually no thinking, everyone dismissed your argument straight away. There is virtually no debate in this thread

There is what one plans and what happens. :) We can see that all over history.

[Stronk Serb]

He can take that evolution and shove up his ass.

It is unfortunate that you do not see the wisdom in my words. I don't like your conservative ideology, but I am not telling you to shove it up your ass.

[Sugaree]

It is unfortunate that you do not see the wisdom in my words. I don't like your conservative ideology, but I am not telling you to shove it up your ass.

Except there is no wisdom in your words. You're 15, stop acting like you know it all.

[Stronk Serb]

Except there is no wisdom in your words. You're 15, stop acting like you know it all.

Perhaps. You have a point.

[Apollo.]

We should all just take mdma each day and love everyone. It would be a fantastic world guns aren't the problem people are

[britishboy]

im gonna tell you all a story I came up with
a man called bob was pissed off, if he was unarmed he would have punched the guy out of anger, but he was armed and shot him.... dead

its also worth noting that if someone wanted to kill many people it is easier with a gun

[Professional Russian]

Perhaps. You have a point.

Not perhaps. Its true.

[Rayquaza]

Here's something I don't think I've seen said here;

A gun gives you the opportunity
but a thought pulls the trigger.

I think with that in mind, regardless of guns being existent or not, it's the thoughts that kill lives, not the apparatus you use.

[TheJaded]

War has existed way before guns were invented. Even if everyone stopped making weapons, people verbally and physically fight with each other. Hate is learned, you aren't born hating people. When everyone chooses not to hate, we will finally be at peace.

[LuciferSam]

1. If militaries can't use guns, they will find some other way to kill people.
2. There are thousands of guns out there. How in the hell are they supposed to go away?
3. Making gun laws tighter will only impact those who buy guns legally. It will not fully address those getting guns on the black market, which I doubt will ever go away. And how do you stop criminals with guns if you don't have them yourself?

War has existed way before guns were invented. Even if everyone stopped making weapons, people verbally and physically fight with each other. Hate is learned, you aren't born hating people. When everyone chooses not to hate, we will finally be at peace.

I like this idea, but it is unlikely that it will ever come true. People will always have something that others don't, whether it be power, resources, religion, or ideology, regardless of the political or social system in place. Humans will always be at odds with each other.


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[Trenton_]

1. If militaries can't use guns, they will find some other way to kill people.
2. There are thousands of guns out there. How in the hell are they supposed to go away?
3. Making gun laws tighter will only impact those who buy guns legally. It will not fully address those getting guns on the black market, which I doubt will ever go away. And how do you stop criminals with guns if you don't have them yourself?

if you want to get rid of guns, just put them by the curb, some one will take it.

or don't get rid of guns, just the ammo

[Professional Russian]

if you want to get rid of guns, just put them by the curb, some one will take it.

or don't get rid of guns, just the ammo

We do know how to make our own ammo.....

[LuciferSam]

if you want to get rid of guns, just put them by the curb, some one will take it.

or don't get rid of guns, just the ammo

And if we don't put them by the curb? And what if people decide to make their own ammo? In WWII, an entire underground formed in Europe dedicated to developing ammo and weapons while keeping them secret from the Nazis. Who's to say that couldn't happen today? I also think it's noteworthy that when Hitler took guns away from the public, he allowed his own men to keep them. Given the nature of all governments, I don't trust that all of them will give up their guns either, and I don't know how I feel about my government being the only people with guns.

[britishboy]

And if we don't put them by the curb? And what if people decide to make their own ammo? In WWII, an entire underground formed in Europe dedicated to developing ammo and weapons while keeping them secret from the Nazis. Who's to say that couldn't happen today? I also think it's noteworthy that when Hitler took guns away from the public, he allowed his own men to keep them. Given the nature of all governments, I don't trust that all of them will give up their guns either, and I don't know how I feel about my government being the only people with guns.

that was the most stupid thing I have ever read, OF FUCKING COURSE THE GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE GUNS and unless your considering treason or terrorism that shouldn't be a problem!

[LuciferSam]

that was the most stupid thing I have ever read, OF FUCKING COURSE THE GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE GUNS and unless your considering treason or terrorism that shouldn't be a problem!

How do you know that the government will govern justly? My point was that, given what unbalanced power tends to cause, the gov't may impose unjust force and restrictions on the people using said guns, and the people will have no way to defend themselves.

[Gopher]

There are too many reasons for people to fight, guns were created to fight wars, guns don't cause wars. War's are fought for causes/reasons, like religion, rights, race, and most commonly resources (oil, land,...etc). Until these causes and reasons are out of the picture there will not be peace.

[Professional Russian]

that was the most stupid thing I have ever read, OF FUCKING COURSE THE GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE GUNS and unless your considering treason or terrorism that shouldn't be a problem!

A government should be afraid of its people. Not the people be afraid of their government. If the majority of the population has gun the government will be scared of.a.revolt if.they make a wrong move trying to take them so they won't try anything stupid. And before you say the government has the military they can beat us. That's so.much shit. The members of.the military take an oath to uphold the constitution. If the government is trying to infringe on the constitution they will turn on their own government.

[Jakers61]

If we simply stop making military weapons and provocation useless arguments our world would finally be at peace?
Agree? Disagree? What's your opinion?

Definitely DISAGREE. The whole purpose for guns in the first place was to help in war, later they evolved to sport use But they were made to advance wars. The world will never be at peace. Total peace is IMPOSSIBLE, not likely, never going to happen. There will always be more than one opinion, therefore; a conflict will always be present. DESTROYING WEAPONS WOULD BE THE DUMBEST THING TO EVER ATTEMPT, I don't see why people keep bringing this up, it would never work and everyone knows that.

[Trenton_]

And if we don't put them by the curb? And what if people decide to make their own ammo? In WWII, an entire underground formed in Europe dedicated to developing ammo and weapons while keeping them secret from the Nazis. Who's to say that couldn't happen today? I also think it's noteworthy that when Hitler took guns away from the public, he allowed his own men to keep them. Given the nature of all governments, I don't trust that all of them will give up their guns either, and I don't know how I feel about my government being the only people with guns.

We do know how to make our own ammo.....

Exactly! People can make their own guns and ammo or bombs so even if people had their guns taken away or gave them away, there would still be guns and ammo and bombs. However, bullets are what actually kill people, but no one talks about bullet control. lol

[Nick24]

If we simply stop making military weapons and provocation useless arguments our world would finally be at peace?
Agree? Disagree? What's your opinion?
Disagree completely. A gun is not going to kill anyone. People kill people. Doesn't matter what tool they use, whether it be a car, bomb, gun, plane, etc. They make the choice not the object. I know a lot of people hat the phrase people kill people not guns. And to those people thats basically like saying alcohol is the reason people drive drunk. They are just tools that mean nothing unless someone does something with them.

[randomnessqueen]

it would be a big step in the right direction

[britishboy]

it would be a big step in the right direction

firstly this will never happen and secondly were gonna have to fight like we did in the old days, with sword and shield, this will increase casualties

[Walter Powers]

1. If militaries can't use guns, they will find some other way to kill people.
2. There are thousands of guns out there. How in the hell are they supposed to go away?
3. Making gun laws tighter will only impact those who buy guns legally. It will not fully address those getting guns on the black market, which I doubt will ever go away. And how do you stop criminals with guns if you don't have them yourself?



I like this idea, but it is unlikely that it will ever come true. People will always have something that others don't, whether it be power, resources, religion, or ideology, regardless of the political or social system in place. Humans will always be at odds with each other.


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Exactly.


"For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security."
-Thomas Jefferson

[Skyline]

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