is being gay not a sin?

[Eke_Richard]

I'm not gay but there was a time I thought I was Cruz I was interested in gay porn but now am seeing gay gay gay on like every forum site I join. so don't you or they know that its a sin? Cruz I bliv it is

[teen.jpg]

Why would it be a sin? Let me tell you something ... not everyone has the same beliefs. Not everyone has the same morals. So WHO ARE YOU, or anyone else to tell someone, who doesn't have the same beliefs as you, that who they are doing is a sin?

And what makes you think it's a sin. Give me 3 reasons why it might be a sin, or wrong in general. Where does that idea come from? Why must you think that you must tell people that it's a sin?

Now I'm curious ...

[Pinkamena]

Depends on what church you belong to, really.

[CharlieHorse]

Believe what you want, but remember, they're only beliefs.
Petty beliefs created by insecure human nature.

We will become a more intelligent species once we leave beliefs like this behind us.

[Faolan]

It may be a sin according to some churches, but don't let that stop you from being who you are. It's not worth living a lie. Even if you think you're going to go to hell, what can you do but lie about your sexuality, and lying is a sin too.

There's a good book about it. It's called God vs. Gay? The Religious Case for Equality written by Jay Michaelson.

[peaceloveanarchy]

I'm not gay but there was a time I thought I was Cruz I was interested in gay porn but now am seeing gay gay gay on like every forum site I join. so don't you or they know that its a sin? Cruz I bliv it is

How about you base your morals on logic instead of what people tell you. Love is the only thing that's going to save us as a species and we won't get anywhere by condemning it whenever it doesn't fall in line with some ancient book full of contradictions that has likely been changed beyond recognition since "god" wrote it in the first place. :)

[JonasBe]

It is in some religions...
But ask yourself this question: Is true love a sin? If the answer is no, why would love for someone of the same gender be one? Love is love, it doesn't matter who you love. Love is the most beautiful thing on earth, so I don't think it can be a sin...

[RyanJF1]

My great grandma is a hardcore Catholic. She believes that AIDS is here to kill all the gay people.

I love my family... \o/

Even if it is a sin I don't really care. "Oh, being gay is a sin. Better start liking women." No.

[MickeyMouse]

It is in the main religions; Christianity, Islam and Jewdaism are against homosexuality. However, it is important to understand that these beliefs are personal to one another, and others may not share the same beliefs.

Stick to what you truly believe, if you think it is a sin then that's fine, as long as you do not go out of your way to try and 'convert' people into becoming straight. Let people have their own beliefs and do not interfere, that's the beauty of human nature.

[Ace of Spades]

Believe whatever discriminatory crap you want. Just know you are on the wrong side of history.
If you can give just one legitimate reason why homosexuality and love are sins, then I will rescind my objections to your bigotry.

[jayyy-lmao]

Listen here buddy.
Being gay is not a sin simply because the bible says it is. That is one religion, in the hundreds of religions out there. That is one belief, in a sea of millions of others. Of course we know you think it's a sin. I get told every day by people "You know you're going to hell, right?" and I say "I'm not going to hell because I like girls. I'm going to hell because I'm rejecting heaven." because I think any God who created me, then says who I am is a sin is not a benevolent God, and I would rather rot in the depths of hell than live in the glory and splendour of heaven. We don't care if it's a sin. We will do as we wish. I will kiss a girl and enjoy it. I will crush on a girl, and enjoy it. I will feel love for a girl, and that will be the best thing I have ever felt. I am not letting one religion, although it is a majority, stand in the way of my feelings. I won't let me, and people like me, get walked on because we're different. Because we have different feelings. We never asked to be gay, or bi, or lesbian, or trans. We are who we are. Have you got any idea how long it took us to accept that? It takes a long time for an LBGTQ teen to accept what they are. Do you think it helps when we have people like you telling us that we are sins? It hurts so much to be told that feelings you have no control over are wrong. So back off, and don't come flaunting your bigoted belief in the forum where we come to seek help. Thank you.

[Eke_Richard]

kk. for the atheist and non believers. but for those who call themselves Christians, and asked for reasons why I think so here is it.
1) God said "go into the world and reproduce". now that makes a lot of sense ryt? cuz u won't be here ur dad was gay.
2) ever heard of the city of Sodom and Gomorrah? those people there were just like u guys and what did God do? he destroyed them with fire. and that showed that gay is sin. look it up if u don't bliv me.
3) It Does Not Create a Family but a Naturally Sterile
Union

[Axw_JD]

Sodom and Gomorrah weren't full of gay people, they were full of promiscuous people of all sexual orientations, that's what God didn't like.

I am Catholic myself, but I know being gay is NOT a sin. Liberally having sex with everything that moves (even if it is just straight sex), divorce, and that kind of stuff, that IS a sin.

[Kasidit]

According to Science Researches they said Every men in the World has 30% gay ( Every I meant EVERY ! ) so all guys can get horny from the guys who are really sexy and handsome and they are attractive to you :)

[CharlieHorse]

kk. for the atheist and non believers. but for those who call themselves Christians, and asked for reasons why I think so here is it.
1) God said "go into the world and reproduce". now that makes a lot of sense ryt? cuz u won't be here ur dad was gay.
2) ever heard of the city of Sodom and Gomorrah? those people there were just like u guys and what did God do? he destroyed them with fire. and that showed that gay is sin. look it up if u don't bliv me.
3) It Does Not Create a Family but a Naturally Sterile
Union

You can keep believing your fairy tales, but if you do, I doubt you'll be let into "heaven" for hating people who love genuinely.

[jayyy-lmao]

kk. for the atheist and non believers. but for those who call themselves Christians, and asked for reasons why I think so here is it.
1) God said "go into the world and reproduce". now that makes a lot of sense ryt? cuz u won't be here ur dad was gay.
2) ever heard of the city of Sodom and Gomorrah? those people there were just like u guys and what did God do? he destroyed them with fire. and that showed that gay is sin. look it up if u don't bliv me.
3) It Does Not Create a Family but a Naturally Sterile
Union
Okay, these are valid points, but answer me this:
Why does God hate LGBTQ people?
The bible speaks of how to treat your slaves. Does that mean slavery is acceptable?

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Being gay is only a sin in the bible. Sorry but the bible ain't real life.

[jayyy-lmao]

Being gay is only a sin in the bible. Sorry but the bible ain't real life.

I second this motion.

[justin 13]

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Harry

[jayyy-lmao]

get a life dude.

I also second this motion.

[DepartInSecret]

The bible doesn't mention gay or homosexuality once. So i personally don't see how Christians and similar religions see sexuality is a sin. Also I don't believe in the bible at all... so yeah.

[Abyssal Echo]

kk. for the atheist and non believers. but for those who call themselves Christians, and asked for reasons why I think so here is it.
1) God said "go into the world and reproduce". now that makes a lot of sense ryt? cuz u won't be here ur dad was gay.
2) ever heard of the city of Sodom and Gomorrah? those people there were just like u guys and what did God do? he destroyed them with fire. and that showed that gay is sin. look it up if u don't bliv me.
3) It Does Not Create a Family but a Naturally Sterile
Union

1) my Father was Bi so he did his part
2) yeah I've heard of it funny thing is like the Garden of Eden its never been found
3) I'm not sterile if I decide I want kids it obviously can happen.

I was raised Protestant been going to church since before I started school.
I believe in God the book says he loves the sinner but hates the sin. he also states he hates a liar. If I stood up and said I'm straight it would be a lie. I've been kicked out of 3 churches for being openly gay by a bunch of hypocrites. the book says we are all sinners it also says that no sin is greater than another. Judge not or ye be judged. so if I'm gunna burn in hell so will they. I could go on with this but I do not see the point.

[Rina]

I was personally brought up to believe it was a sin, but in this day, I don't really think it is. I'm rather indifferent to the whole concept.

[indoxyl]

kk. for the atheist and non believers. but for those who call themselves Christians, and asked for reasons why I think so here is it.
1) God said "go into the world and reproduce". now that makes a lot of sense ryt? cuz u won't be here ur dad was gay.
2) ever heard of the city of Sodom and Gomorrah? those people there were just like u guys and what did God do? he destroyed them with fire. and that showed that gay is sin. look it up if u don't bliv me.
3) It Does Not Create a Family but a Naturally Sterile
Union

I really don't understand how something people are BORN with can be a sin? yes there is the event that same sex couples cant reproduce but you wanna know a secret? THERE ARE LITERALLY MILLIONS OF STRAIGHT COUPLES REPRODUCING AS IM TYPING THIS. Why is it everybody elses problem that some people arent able to make children themselves because of their sexuality? oh thats right ITS ACTUALLY NOT. who cares if they cant have children? there are hundreds, probably thousands of straight people who choose not to have, or cannot have children because they dont want to or they have a medical condition that prevents them from having kids. is your religion going around telling those people that they are sinning? I DONT FUCKING THINK SO.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Only according to Homophobics.

[CharlieHorse]

Saying that being gay is a sin, is a sin.

[Lovelife090994]

Yes, the Bible quotes in two ways, towards the world and to Christians in Proverbs. World views change, Biblical do not, and anyone telling you different is challenging God which is not a good thing to do. Sin is sin, none is greater than the other but if it is said as a sin it is and will always be. So yes, to answer "is homosexuality a sin?"- yes, in Christianity. Other faiths? That is another story. Cheers!

Only according to Homophobics.

More like true Christians or anyone with Biblical teachings.

*Merged*

~Bo

[Harry Smith]

More like true Christians or anyone with Biblical teachings.

so your basing your homophobic feelings on a book written 2000 years ago by humans?

[Austins]

It honestly is a subject not one person can dictate if it's right or not. Personally me having a gay uncle and auntie have no problem with it but I won't call someone closed minded if they feel uncomfortable because that makes me no better than them for pushing my beliefs onto them

[Lovelife090994]

so your basing your homophobic feelings on a book written 2000 years ago by humans?

Really, and you base your right to question a belief shared by billions based on what? See? Not exactly wise to do. Faith is not the same for more than one person. And homophobic? I have no phobia to homosexuals, I live in the city, homosexuals are sure to be here too. Not a good comeback, but one that needs a comment to elucidate your manner and to find your intentions. D'accord monsieur?

[Faolan]

My view is that God doesn't hate gay people. The reason all these conflicts are going on is because of countless translations of 2000 to 3000 year old texts from hebrew and greek into english and other languages. Words were lost and changed so as to translate better. If you look at the original texts, there's no mention of homosexuality. The word didn't even exist. What the bible/torah is actually saying (In parts like the story of Sodom) is that it's not okay for men to dehumanize/ degrade other men.
Personally, I don't think we should be using these texts to rule our lives in the 1st place.

[teen.jpg]

Yes, the Bible quotes in two ways, towards the world and to Christians in Proverbs. World views change, Biblical do not, and anyone telling you different is challenging God which is not a good thing to do. Sin is sin, none is greater than the other but if it is said as a sin it is and will always be. So yes, to answer "is homosexuality a sin?"- yes, in Christianity. Other faiths? That is another story. Cheers!

Ok, but are you God? No? So that means that you have no right to act like God, because I'm sure an all-mighty being can handle his problems by himself.

Now go and read that ridiculous book you call a "bible".

My view is that God doesn't hate gay people. The reason all these conflicts are going on is because of countless translations of 2000 to 3000 year old texts from hebrew and greek into english and other languages. Words were lost and changed so as to translate better. If you look at the original texts, there's no mention of homosexuality. The word didn't even exist. What the bible/torah is actually saying (In parts like the story of Sodom) is that it's not okay for men to dehumanize/ degrade other men.
Personally, I don't think we should be using these texts to rule our lives in the 1st place.

This post is restoring my faith in humanity.

*Do NOT double post. Use the edit button instead.*

~Bo

[Harry Smith]

Really, and you base your right to question a belief shared by billions based on what? See? Not exactly wise to do. Faith is not the same for more than one person. And homophobic? I have no phobia to homosexuals, I live in the city, homosexuals are sure to be here too. Not a good comeback, but one that needs a comment to elucidate your manner and to find your intentions. D'accord monsieur?

Just because many hold a view doesn't make it correct, millions of people thought that the Earth was flat 500 years ago. The fact that you describe it as a sin is just stupid, do you have any evidence of this god that you base your views on?

[Lovelife090994]

Just because many hold a view doesn't make it correct, millions of people thought that the Earth was flat 500 years ago. The fact that you describe it as a sin is just stupid, do you have any evidence of this god that you base your views on?

People like you do not get and you won't get it. Did I mention a flat Earth? I am Christian and have a right to post a comment and since this boy asked if it is a sin I responded truthfully. God exists but you are not Christian so you would not believe it, you'd ridicule me and call me mistaken while I let the comment go since I hate speaking to those who won't even agree to disagree. Why do you feel so esteemed to question my faith and challenge God? In the end it will never work, you can't change people negatively. A lot of people are antireligious and antiChristian but is that right too? No, anti behaviors are usually not good. I am anti Hitler and anti hatred however I never sit quiet when one questions my faith. If you truly care your comment would have been neutral. Homosexuals can be nice people, their ways however aren't good, and are sin, go to the Bible on it.

Ok, but are you God? No? So that means that you have no right to act like God, because I'm sure an all-mighty being can handle his problems by himself.

Now go and read that ridiculous book you call a "bible".

Anti are we? It is not imitating God to say what is a sin when it is in the Bible. Don't believe me, go to it. Do not be so rash and anti Christian. Why do you feel hateful to God's followers? I forgive you. Stop with the hate and hypocrisy please.

*Please don't double post, just go back and edit your previous one.*

~Bo

[Appypollylogges]

Are you kidding me?
Blindly following the writings of bigots from two thousand years ago is the real sin.
How about you actually think for yourself. Think about it aside from what people have told you about god (if there even is one). Why would it be a sin?

Oh and btw don't bring up the inability to have children, because that would be assuming that elderly or infertile people have no place in society either.

[Troy35216]

I'm not gay but there was a time I thought I was Cruz I was interested in gay porn but now am seeing gay gay gay on like every forum site I join. so don't you or they know that its a sin? Cruz I bliv it is
let's play "what if" for a couple minutes. What if you're right. I don't think you are, but what if you are right. so what? why do you care if other people sin? how does that affect you and whether or not you go to hell or heaven? who put you in charge of other people and making sure they don't sin? so even IF you are right, (which I don't think you are) so what?

Okay that's enough "what if".

you say the Bible says it's a sin. The bible says a lot of things. First it says the animals were made first, and people were made last. Then it says people were made first and animals were made last. so which is it? First it says Man was made first and then Woman. Then it says they were both made at the same time. so which is it? first it says Noah brought only two of each kind of animal on the ark. Then it says he brought 7 of some of the animals. so which is it? The bible says tattoos are an abomination. it says eating shrimp is an abomination. it says wearing cotton/wool blends are an abomination. it says women who are having their period should not be allowed indoors until they are over it. it says if you sass your parents you should be stoned to death. it says if a woman is not a virgin when she gets married she should be stoned. It says fortune tellers and astrologers should be killed. it says once you are married you should not get divorced.

so my questions to you are: if the bible can't get it straight which came first animals or people, or man or woman, or how many animals were on the ark, how can I trust it on anything else? My questions to you are: do you have any relatives with tattoos? if you do, why do you still associate with such sinners? Do you eat shrimp? Do you wear cotton/wool blends? My question to you is, should people who read fortune cookies be killed? when you sass your mom should you be killed? are any of your relatives or your own parents divorced?
My question to you is, do you make all the women in your family live in the back yard 7 days a month while they are on their period?

If you disobey ALL of those other rules from God, then why do you think people should obey the gay rule? why do you get to pick and choose which are the "real" rules and which ones can be ignored?

Do you quiz everyone on all the other "sins"? when you hear someone cuss do you ask him why he is sinning? when you know someone is telling a lie do you ask him why he is sinning? Why are you so obsessed with THIS 'sin'? What is it about gays that fascinates you so much?

[Harry Smith]

People like you do not get and you won't get it. Did I mention a flat Earth? I am Christian and have a right to post a comment and since this boy asked if it is a sin I responded truthfully. God exists but you are not Christian so you would not believe it, you'd ridicule me and call me mistaken while I let the comment go since I hate speaking to those who won't even agree to disagree. Why do you feel so esteemed to question my faith and challenge God? In the end it will never work, you can't change people negatively. A lot of people are antireligious and antiChristian but is that right too? No, anti behaviors are usually not good. I am anti Hitler and anti hatred however I never sit quiet when one questions my faith. If you truly care your comment would have been neutral. Homosexuals can be nice people, their ways however aren't good, and are sin, go to the Bible on it.

A per usual you have no concrete evidence for god and you've gone back to the whole it's my belief leave it. What your are saying is mindless rhetoric unless you.

I don't care if your cult says I'm sinful, you just use mindless rhetoric and then get defensive. I question your faith because it opposes me every day.

Yes or NO please... do you have any evidence for your God?

[nice]

A per usual you have no concrete evidence for god and you've gone back to the whole it's my belief leave it. What your are saying is mindless rhetoric unless you.

I don't care if your cult says I'm sinful, you just use mindless rhetoric and then get defensive. I question your faith because it opposes me every day.

Yes or NO please... do you have any evidence for your God?

Christianity isn't a cult.

[Harry Smith]

Christianity isn't a cult.

Well it has the trademark idea of

' If you don't follow these rules then something bad will happen to you''

It relies on the fear of the unknown, it present yours God as being some sort of peaceful yet vengeful leader who is the best thing since sliced bread. It has ceremonies,relics and as mentioned above offers the change of immortally for those who join. It's opposed many advances in science as well

[Lovelife090994]

Well it has the trademark idea of

' If you don't follow these rules then something bad will happen to you''

It relies on the fear of the unknown, it present yours God as being some sort of peaceful yet vengeful leader who is the best thing since sliced bread. It has ceremonies,relics and as mentioned above offers the change of immortally for those who join. It's opposed many advances in science as well

Thank you, thank you for acting cliche of your kind and cult. I thought the English were better than that. Oh wait, they are, you aren't. Bye. I am not going to argue. I respect your ways but all you do is disrespect me and ignore what I said? Wow, sad and pathetic.

I forgive you but may God find you and help you, go in peace. En amities adieu!

[Nomad_X]

so your basing your homophobic feelings on a book written 2000 years ago by humans?

More like 3000 or more years.

Also: REAL Christians DO NOT pass judgement on others.

[Harry Smith]

Thank you, thank you for acting cliche of your kind and cult. I thought the English were better than that. Oh wait, they are, you aren't. Bye. I am not going to argue. I respect your ways but all you do is disrespect me and ignore what I said? Wow, sad and pathetic.

I forgive you but may God find you and help you, go in peace. En amities adieu!

haha you've proved my point

You have no evidence for your god just rhetoric, this proves my point exactly. Y

[Lovelife090994]

Well it has the trademark idea of

' If you don't follow these rules then something bad will happen to you''

It relies on the fear of the unknown, it present yours God as being some sort of peaceful yet vengeful leader who is the best thing since sliced bread. It has ceremonies,relics and as mentioned above offers the change of immortally for those who join. It's opposed many advances in science as well

By the way, the only ones who would fear God are the sinners. I do not fear God, I love him but it's amazing how me saying a few comments got on your nerves when you are obviously atheist thus in no way affiliated to Christianity. You need help, fast. Do not let your hatred decide for you now. I feel sorry you but I am not afraid of you. Please repent and forgive and forget. I forgive you and love you in Christ, in fact I wish you well. Why can't you do the same? Do you hate Christians? If so, don't.

[Harry Smith]

By the way, the only ones who would fear God are the sinners. I do not fear God, I love him but it's amazing how me saying a few comments got on your nerves when you are obviously atheist thus in no way affiliated to Christianity. You need help, fast. Do not let your hatred decide for you now. I feel sorry you but I am not afraid of you. Please repent and forgive and forget. I forgive you and love you in Christ, in fact I wish you well. Why can't you do the same? Do you hate Christians? If so, don't.

Do you have any evidence for God yet? Please a simple yes or no would be great...

[Lovelife090994]

Do you have any evidence for God yet? Please a simple yes or no would be great...

By God boy, you're a Moderator! Would it hurt to be tolerant or better yet to not be wrong towards Christians. Have you read nothing? I forgive you and yes I have proof God exists as many others do, personal experiences that the faithless never believe. Pleaase, will you stop? You're harrassing now, stop, please. I do not wish to debate, in fact I hate debating faith because who am I to debate anyone's? Really, please? I still forgive me, you make me concerned, not angry. Why so angry? Bye! If you wish to argue at least have the decently to do so privately and not be as public. Like I said, I never debate, sorry.

[Harry Smith]

By God boy, you're a Moderator! Would it hurt to be tolerant or better yet to not be wrong towards Christians. Have you read nothing? I forgive you and yes I have proof God exists as many others do, personal experiences that the faithless never believe. Pleaase, will you stop? You're harrassing now, stop, please. I do not wish to debate, in fact I hate debating faith because who am I to debate anyone's? Really, please? I still forgive me, you make me concerned, not angry. Why so angry? Bye! If you wish to argue at least have the decently to do so privately and not be as public. Like I said, I never debate, sorry.

I'm following the rules of this Forum, I'm allowed to comment on this thread, I've asked if you have any evidence of this God so that you can't justify your rather stupid behavior. I also don't understand how it's offensive to ask you to justify your beliefs

You obviously never debate because your not very good at it. Your argument has no basis apart from the age old it's my view don't hate it. If your view stops and infringes on my rights then I'm going to contend it.

Your current evidence for god is an experience that I can't understand, isn't that a tad convenient?

[Lovelife090994]

I'm following the rules of this Forum, I'm allowed to comment on this thread, I've asked if you have any evidence of this God so that you can't justify your rather stupid behavior. I also don't understand how it's offensive to ask you to justify your beliefs

You obviously never debate because your not very good at it. Your argument has no basis apart from the age old it's my view don't hate it. If your view stops and infringes on my rights then I'm going to contend it.

Your current evidence for god is an experience that I can't understand, isn't that a tad convenient?

You do realize I have no quarrel with you right? You sound like you'd kill someone who's Christian because you're homosexual and Christians don't condone homosexuality. If you want to debate can you at least not do it here. You don't justify faith because it is different for each of us and most won't believe you edgewise. Are you this shallow?

[nice]

I'm following the rules of this Forum, I'm allowed to comment on this thread, I've asked if you have any evidence of this God so that you can't justify your rather stupid behavior. I also don't understand how it's offensive to ask you to justify your beliefs

You obviously never debate because your not very good at it. Your argument has no basis apart from the age old it's my view don't hate it. If your view stops and infringes on my rights then I'm going to contend it.

Your current evidence for god is an experience that I can't understand, isn't that a tad convenient?

What about the LGBT community that are religious the most have some reason to believe in god. I just think like with any other group of people there are hypocrites in it.

[teen.jpg]

People like you do not get and you won't get it. Did I mention a flat Earth? I am Christian and have a right to post a comment and since this boy asked if it is a sin I responded truthfully. God exists but you are not Christian so you would not believe it, you'd ridicule me and call me mistaken while I let the comment go since I hate speaking to those who won't even agree to disagree. Why do you feel so esteemed to question my faith and challenge God? In the end it will never work, you can't change people negatively. A lot of people are antireligious and antiChristian but is that right too? No, anti behaviors are usually not good. I am anti Hitler and anti hatred however I never sit quiet when one questions my faith. If you truly care your comment would have been neutral. Homosexuals can be nice people, their ways however aren't good, and are sin, go to the Bible on it.



Anti are we? It is not imitating God to say what is a sin when it is in the Bible. Don't believe me, go to it. Do not be so rash and anti Christian. Why do you feel hateful to God's followers? I forgive you. Stop with the hate and hypocrisy please.

*Please don't double post, just go back and edit your previous one.*

~Bo

"God" doesn't need you to nag to people about what is a "sin", if he wants to send a message, he'll do it. You aren't above anybody to lecture people when nobody asked for your opinion in the first place.

Before you tell people what's right or wrong, you should think about why it even affects your life in the slightest.

[GigglyAbby]

Regardless of one's beliefs in God or the bible -- it sickens me that people defy their beliefs and pick on people because they despise their lifestyle. Whether -- it's wrong or not -- there are bigger fish to fry especially IF they're being responsible with their choice.

[Lovelife090994]

"God" doesn't need you to nag to people about what is a "sin", if he wants to send a message, he'll do it. You aren't above anybody to lecture people when nobody asked for your opinion in the first place.

Before you tell people what's right or wrong, you should think about why it even affects your life in the slightest.

You aren't above me to lecture me either, and where did you come from? can we not play the "Jump on the Christian" game bandwagon? Please? Do you honestly think I want to argue? No.

[teen.jpg]

You aren't above me to lecture me either, and where did you come from? can we not play the "Jump on the Christian" game bandwagon? Please? Do you honestly think I want to argue? No.

Not to be mean, but what exactly did you expect? You post your negative-based and borderline hateful beliefs, and get upset when anybody disagrees with you. You start a baseless discussion and abandon it as soon as anyone replies.

So I ask what was the point? This isn't the first time we've been through this, and you know that.

[Lovelife090994]

Not to be mean, but what exactly did you expect? You post your negative-based and borderline hateful beliefs, and get upset when anybody disagrees with you. You start a baseless discussion and abandon it as soon as anyone replies.

So I ask what was the point? This isn't the first time we've been through this, and you know that.

We? I have no idea who you even are. And what on Earth in the name of humanity makes the views of Christianity and faith negative? Like honestly, is that all you can do? I hate arguing.

[confusedteen33]

It is a sin according to Christianity

[Magnus Bane]

You think it is a sin purely cause of your religion. no offense to church going people but you taking advice from a book that was written for the time that it was written in not now.

[teen.jpg]

We? I have no idea who you even are. And what on Earth in the name of humanity makes the views of Christianity and faith negative? Like honestly, is that all you can do? I hate arguing.

How is it negative? A better question is how is it positive?

[Lovelife090994]

How is it negative? A better question is how is it positive?

In so many ways, when it is true. Ever heard of missionaries? They spread the word of God by travel and Bible, no not the ones who may knock on doors. Many countries have missionaries who travel and preach to whoever willing to listen and to those who wish to.
Christianity isn't impulsive it shouldn't be, it is totally voluntary. If you want to be Christian and accept Jesus, you can, if you do not want to then we pray for you and let you go; at least we're supposed to.

How is it good? That question is gold. God is why, he is love, he is peace, he cares, he protects, and when he comes into your life it is dazzling and all of a sudden you see things differently. No you never become perfect but God helps work out our imperfections even when we don't follow him as we should.

It is good because true Christianity is a system of love, it is not of hate but tries to quel the hate whilst being like Christ and not sharing evil. Pointing out what is and isn't sin is not condemning but quoting the Bible or its teachings and to use it as a warning or in this case to answer a question. the Christian faith has moved so many and helped countless others, God does not want to control you, he wishes to know you. If you ask for repentance and ask him to come into your life he will.

Christianity has influenced and led many things to improve the world. No, not everything in the name of Christianity was right but those people used it as a religion not a faith and not as love. I wish you well. But if you ever wish to repent, God is always with you, he will never abandon you. And if I offended you by quoting God's teachings then I pray that God helps me to relay information better and for you to not be so short-fused and cynical. Christianity is liberating and to follow God and God is so great he's awe inspiring and worth all the great words of any language. I grew up in the church but when a stranger invited me to come to Lakewood Church in Hosuton, TX one night to go to the Youth's One Night Stand I gave my life completely to God and I regret nothing, his love, his warmth, his power, it brings me joy. How do I know he is there? I hear him, I feel him, he healed my mother who was at Death when she gave birth to me but miraculously was healed from her stroke, blindness, and the liquid around her brain left ina day and left doctors and the science experts dumbfounded.

God keeps and loves and protects those who put their faith in him, even to those who don't. He loves us all and asks us to do the same, but he never condones sin. Mark of a Christian: Love the sinner not the sin, help the world and live in peace.

Either way, good night, Adieu! And please end this nonsense.

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In so many ways, when it is true. Ever heard of missionaries? They spread the word of God by travel and Bible, no not the ones who may knock on doors. Many countries have missionaries who travel and preach to whoever willing to listen and to those who wish to.
Christianity isn't impulsive it shouldn't be, it is totally voluntary. If you want to be Christian and accept Jesus, you can, if you do not want to then we pray for you and let you go; at least we're supposed to.

How is it good? That question is gold. God is why, he is love, he is peace, he cares, he protects, and when he comes into your life it is dazzling and all of a sudden you see things differently. No you never become perfect but God helps work out our imperfections even when we don't follow him as we should.

It is good because true Christianity is a system of love, it is not of hate but tries to quel the hate whilst being like Christ and not sharing evil. Pointing out what is and isn't sin is not condemning but quoting the Bible or its teachings and to use it as a warning or in this case to answer a question. the Christian faith has moved so many and helped countless others, God does not want to control you, he wishes to know you. If you ask for repentance and ask him to come into your life he will.

Christianity has influenced and led many things to improve the world. No, not everything in the name of Christianity was right but those people used it as a religion not a faith and not as love. I wish you well. But if you ever wish to repent, God is always with you, he will never abandon you. And if I offended you by quoting God's teachings then I pray that God helps me to relay information better and for you to not be so short-fused and cynical. Christianity is liberating and to follow God and God is so great he's awe inspiring and worth all the great words of any language. I grew up in the church but when a stranger invited me to come to Lakewood Church in Hosuton, TX one night to go to the Youth's One Night Stand I gave my life completely to God and I regret nothing, his love, his warmth, his power, it brings me joy. How do I know he is there? I hear him, I feel him, he healed my mother who was at Death when she gave birth to me but miraculously was healed from her stroke, blindness, and the liquid around her brain left ina day and left doctors and the science experts dumbfounded.

God keeps and loves and protects those who put their faith in him, even to those who don't. He loves us all and asks us to do the same, but he never condones sin. Mark of a Christian: Love the sinner not the sin, help the world and live in peace.

Either way, good night, Adieu! And please end this nonsense.

If you're imaginary friend there helps you get past your life problems, that's fine. But don't force ideas down people's throats and use your 500-page Mad Libs as evidence for anything.

[nice]

We? I have no idea who you even are. And what on Earth in the name of humanity makes the views of Christianity and faith negative? Like honestly, is that all you can do? I hate arguing.

Like with any other group of people there are good and bad. Right now people are just focusing on the bad that Christianity has done when it really isn't bad. There are those Christians who choose to hate gay people and wan to kill them but then there are also the ones that respect gay people and how they decide to live their life. Do they nesecaryily agree with it sometimes no they don't but it's not like they all run around saying they don't like it. People are really just picking out the bad things about faith and religion.

[Lovelife090994]

If you're imaginary friend there helps you get past your life problems, that's fine. But don't force ideas down people's throats and use your 500-page Mad Libs as evidence for anything.

You are ignornant are you? Have you read nothing? no! At least read!

[Lovelife090994]

Like with any other group of people there are good and bad. Right now people are just focusing on the bad that Christianity has done when it really isn't bad. There are those Christians who choose to hate gay people and wan to kill them but then there are also the ones that respect gay people and how they decide to live their life. Do they nesecaryily agree with it sometimes no they don't but it's not like they all run around saying they don't like it. People are really just picking out the bad things about faith and religion.

I see, as if I want any harm to anyone, but I digress no one ever wants to hear the good of Christianity any more, even when they ask. Sad really...

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You are ignornant are you? Have you read nothing? no! At least read!

You don't notice the irony in that statement, do you? Because you completely avoided the question of proof towards your "God", and refuse to do so because there isn't any. But of course you'll say that it's just because I'm atheist, because you don't have a real answer to the question.

[Lovelife090994]

You don't notice the irony in that statement, do you? Because you completely avoided the question of proof towards your "God", and refuse to do so because there isn't any. But of course you'll say that it's just because I'm atheist, because you don't have a real answer to the question.

You are NOT atheist. You are anti-theistic which is against anyone of faith, no atheist is as bad as you. Reread my post dot to dot because I answered you numorous times.

Bye, I have no quarrel with you, nor will I argue, again.


*Please stop double posting*

~Bo

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You are NOT atheist. You are anti-theistic which is against anyone of faith, no atheist is as bad as you. Reread my post dot to dot because I answered you numorous times.

You really didn't. You said how it helped you in your life, but you didn't say anything about how "God" is real. I'm convinced he's not. If that sends me to hell, well I hope they got air-conditioning ;)

Bye, I have no quarrel with you, nor will I argue, again.

I give it about a week. When you wanna have this discussion again, you know where to find me.

[nice]

You really didn't. You said how it helped you in your life, but you didn't say anything about how "God" is real. I'm convinced he's not. If that sends me to hell, well I hope they got air-conditioning ;)



I give it about a week. When you wanna have this discussion again, you know where to find me.

You know it's somewhat rude to kinda mock his religion that's be like if he mocked you being a bisexual or an atheist.

[Lovelife090994]

Do you honestly think I want to talk to a person like you? First you slap my hand as I extend it then you offer to talk to me? Wow, I forgive you again, but I can't believe it! I am never talking to you UNTIL you change your ways. When you wish to be civil, find me. A bientot, je te souhaite une bonne chose et un bonne journee! Au Revoir, Je t'aime bien!

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You know it's somewhat rude to kinda mock his religion that's be like if he mocked you being a bisexual or an atheist.

I guess you got a point there, but for the most part nothing I do interferes with other peoples lives. That's where anything with my sexuality differs from anyone's religion.

DI am never talking to you UNTIL you change your ways.

Yup, I'm totally going to change who I am because you don't like me, or my ways. That's a really nice message you're putting out there.

I really see this thread going far off-topic, and the OP isn't really involved in it anyway. I can't see this leading in a good direction.


*Quit double posting please*

~Bo

[Magnus Bane]

im sorry lovelife but you had no right to preach at us. you could have left it be w/ just saying that u think it is a sin.

[kenoloor]

How is it good? That question is gold. God is why, he is love, he is peace, he cares, he protects,

God loves each and every one of us unconditionally, BUT IF YOU DO ONE THING OUT OF LINE YOU'RE GOING TO BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY. But he loves you. That's fucking bullshit right there.


It is good because true Christianity is a system of love, it is not of hate but tries to quel the hate whilst being like Christ and not sharing evil. Pointing out what is and isn't sin is not condemning but quoting the Bible or its teachings and to use it as a warning or in this case to answer a question.

If being like Christ is your thing, then you're doing a royally shitty job of it. Christ preached love, peace, and acceptance; Christ's testament preached a message of "be a good person," rather than "follow every fucking rule ever written." Have you read the New Testament? Christ lays down a new covenant and says that the Old Testament laws are now outdated. Guess where the law saying homosexuality is a sin is located. In the Old fucking Testament. That right there is enough of an argument to get you to shut the fuck up (if only your mind was welcoming to reasonable arguments).

[Lost in the Echo]

Alright everyone, this is a warning: DO NOTdouble post.This goes for everyone ( especially Myles and Lovelife090994, who have double posted multiple times ). It is against the rules to post consecutively ( except for some diaries and VT Arcade ). You can be infracted for double posting. So this is your warning. Stop double posting. Just go back and edit your previous post.

[Trenton_]

You don't notice the irony in that statement, do you? Because you completely avoided the question of proof towards your "God", and refuse to do so because there isn't any. But of course you'll say that it's just because I'm atheist, because you don't have a real answer to the question.

just because your a queer doesn't mean there isn't a god. your gayness has nothing to do with this,

[zeebo]

That is a very archaic way of thinking. I'm not gay, and there was even a time where I thought they were weird..but who am I to judge? Why would it even matter? It's not as if everyone is gay: The more gay people the better, at least to keep the population under control if for nothing else!

[crepesuzette]

seriously why does everyone think that sodomy is the same as homosexuality?

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just because your a queer doesn't mean there isn't a god. your gayness has nothing to do with this,

I never said it did?

[Trenton_]

You don't notice the irony in that statement, do you? Because you completely avoided the question of proof towards your "God", and refuse to do so because there isn't any. But of course you'll say that it's just because I'm atheist, because you don't have a real answer to the question.

I never said it did?

prove that gay isn't a choice because it obviously is 100 percent a choice.

do you choose to be straight?

[steellord321]

prove that gay isn't a choice because it obviously is 100 percent a choice.

Oh and i guess your an expert? His opinion is way more valid than yours. If you want to be an ass, do it in another forum. That goes for the OP and everyone else being a douche here.

[Eagle15]

Honestly, in my mind, God will love you for who you are no matter who you are. God made you to his design. If you are gay, it's because he let it be so. Being gay may be called a "sin" in the human written bible but is never spoken as a sin in the conversations between God and Man.

[jaxian rhyder]

Listen to me very carefully it is a sin but god knows all if he knew u were going to be gay and he didn't like it do u think he would have made u. Also I'm positive that he wants some people to be gay to show everyone else its ok to be u.Lastly don't u think that he would not have given us a brain and emotions and thoughts if he didn't want us to use them.

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prove that gay isn't a choice because it obviously is 100 percent a choice.

:what: Where the hell did you get that idea from? The ignorance is spreading like wildfire in these parts.

Almost everyone on Vt knows its not a choice, because its not. You are what you are.

Is race a choice? Is eye color a choice? Is height a choice? No? Well neither is sexuality.

Honestly, in my mind, God will love you for who you are no matter who you are. God made you to his design. If you are gay, it's because he let it be so. Being gay may be called a "sin" in the human written bible but is never spoken as a sin in the conversations between God and Man.

I'm an atheist, but even I agree with this.


*Merged* ~Bo

[Trenton_]

:what: Where the hell did you get that idea from? The ignorance is spreading like wildfire in these parts.

Almost everyone on Vt knows its not a choice, because its not. You are what you are.

Is race a choice? Is eye color a choice? Is height a choice? No? Well neither is sexuality.

That's not proof. You want proof of God, then I offer you your own proof = Almost everyone on VT knows there's a God.


So, but the same token, prove that being gay is not a choice. You chose to do gay things or think gay things. You can completely chose not to think about gay things and you can also choose not to have gay sex. Those are both choices that you've made one way or another.

I and most people, like way over 90% of the population choose not to do gay stuff. It's not like eye color at all. Being gay is an action that people chose to act on. So it's more like chosing to bang your head or run. Being straight is the same way, we can chose to have straight sex or not. We can also love people of the same sex, but it doesn't mean we're gay, it means we love them as a person. It doesn't mean we are going to have sex with them or need to have sex with them. Having sex is a choice. Not having sex is a choice. It's all choice dude.

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That's not proof. You want proof of God, then I offer you your own proof = Almost everyone on VT knows there's a God.


So, but the same token, prove that being gay is not a choice. You chose to do gay things or think gay things. You can completely chose not to think about gay things and you can also choose not to have gay sex. Those are both choices that you've made one way or another.

I and most people, like way over 90% of the population choose not to do gay stuff. It's not like eye color at all. Being gay is an action that people chose to act on. So it's more like chosing to bang your head or run. Being straight is the same way, we can chose to have straight sex or not. We can also love people of the same sex, but it doesn't mean we're gay, it means we love them as a person. It doesn't mean we are going to have sex with them or need to have sex with them. Having sex is a choice. Not having sex is a choice. It's all choice dude.

I'm going to explain this, even though I shouldn't. You aren't going to read this and consider it simply because you think you're right. But whatever.

Yes, having sex is a choice. But the desire of who you want to have sex with isn't.

Some people like the same gender, some people like the opposite gender. Its totally at random and beyond their control. Ask any non hetero person and they'd say the same exact thing.

That being said, it shouldn't be that big of a deal in the first place. You like who you like. What difference should it make?

[kenoloor]

Yes, having sex is a choice. But the desire of who you want to have sex with isn't.

Yes, having sex is a choice. But the desire of who you want to have sex with isn't.

Yes, having sex is a choice. But the desire of who you want to have sex with isn't.

Yes, having sex is a choice. But the desire of who you want to have sex with isn't.

Everyone can shut their fucking mouths now.

[Adam17]

The bible doesn't mention gay or homosexuality once. So i personally don't see how Christians and similar religions see sexuality is a sin. Also I don't believe in the bible at all... so yeah.

This is a direct quote from the bible"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." Leviticus 20:13

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This is a direct quote from the bible"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." Leviticus 20:13

And some random guy who wrote a book should be able to tell people what they can and cant do?

[Adam17]

And some random guy who wrote a book should be able to tell people what they can and cant do?

Hey im just correcting him when he said that the bible didnt say anything about it

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Hey im just correcting him when he said that the bible didnt say anything about it

I'm just putting my opinion out there ...

[Lovelife090994]

Can you all drop the debate? I checked back to see if this thread was closed or not, and I see, more fighting... terrible.

This is a direct quote from the bible"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." Leviticus 20:13

Thank you :) Bless you!

*Merged* ~Bo

[Adam17]

I'm just putting my opinion out there ...

I understand that but every time someone else says their own opinion you feel the need to say something about theirs

[Starscream]

In many cultures, being homosexual is looked down upon. Many in the western world however has accepted homosexuality, but many of those in LGBT fight for their equality.

The majority of Christian based religions do not condone homosexuality, as thy see it unnatural, unGodly, and sinful. A few Christian denominations have made statements accepting homosexuality.

Many of those in LGBT still have a long battle ahead, whether its putting down homosexuals by saying "That's gay" to saying homosexuals can't marry. I believe that homosexuals will finally be accepted within the next 2 generations.

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I understand that but every time someone else says their own opinion you feel the need to say something about theirs

I sense theirs some anger in that statement ...

Thank you :) Bless you!

How can you agree with that quote, especially with a smile? Even if being gay is a sin, is that not harsh to you? If God is supposed to love all his children, why would he say that?

[nice]

How can you agree with that quote, especially with a smile? Even if being gay is a sin, is that not harsh to you? If God is supposed to love all his children, why would he say that?

He's just agreeing that the bible does say something about homosexuality being a sin.

[Lovelife090994]

I sense theirs some anger in that statement ...



How can you agree with that quote, especially with a smile? Even if being gay is a sin, is that not harsh to you? If God is supposed to love all his children, why would he say that?

He who is sensible and wise can walk away from lies and let's not his anger control him, but he who is rash and flighty like a bird always succumbs to wrath and language is jargon to him. Which would be the one you are?

[Adam17]

I sense theirs some anger in that statement ...



How can you agree with that quote, especially with a smile? Even if being gay is a sin, is that not harsh to you? If God is supposed to love all his children, why would he say that?

Your not exactly proving me wrong.

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Your not exactly proving me wrong.

I wasn't trying to. I was trying not to bash people's religion and be reasonable. I know, shocker.

[Duskofdawn]

Hi, I believe I can answer your question. In Christianity, being gay is not a sin, however, sexual acts between two men or two women is (1st Corinthians 6:9-10, Romans 1:26-36). In addition, lusting after someone in your heart is also sinful (Matthew 5:28). I'll tell you that none of us are perfect, but try to fight it. Fight temptation and strive to be close to God.

Love in Christ our Savior, Ian.

[Caldwell]

He who is sensible and wise can walk away from lies and let's not his anger control him, but he who is rash and flighty like a bird always succumbs to wrath and language is jargon to him. Which would be the one you are?

Oh, fucking hilarious. Care to try actually responding to the question at hand, or are you going to keep speaking in poems and dodging it? Telling somebody their beliefs are 'lies' and masking it with mysticism doesn't make you witty or intellectually superior, it means you clearly have no rational basis for your side of the argument and choose to resort to a childish and completely irrelevant form of debate.


EDIT: Oh, and as for the topic at hand, yes, being gay is a sin in many religions, but so are many other things and a great deal of those are overlooked in order to allow people who adapt to modern comforts and other roadblocks. I don't give a shit if your holy book says what I'm doing is wrong; I don't believe in it and nobody else should have to.

[Prince of Rome]

Christianity says it is a sin. While other religions say it isn't. While society says it isn't.

Makes you really think huh?;)

[Lovelife090994]

Oh, fucking hilarious. Care to try actually responding to the question at hand, or are you going to keep speaking in poems and dodging it? Telling somebody their beliefs are 'lies' and masking it with mysticism doesn't make you witty or intellectually superior, it means you clearly have no rational basis for your side of the argument and choose to resort to a childish and completely irrelevant form of debate.


EDIT: Oh, and as for the topic at hand, yes, being gay is a sin in many religions, but so are many other things and a great deal of those are overlooked in order to allow people who adapt to modern comforts and other roadblocks. I don't give a shit if your holy book says what I'm doing is wrong; I don't believe in it and nobody else should have to.

Must you be so combatant to Christianity? When did I mention in my previous post? Someone's intolerant much?

[StoppingTime]

This is a direct quote from the bible"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." Leviticus 20:13

There are no direct quotes from the Bible in English...mostly because the "original" Christian Bible wasn't written in English.

Also, please keep the fighting to a minimum and try to hold a civil debate. Though I'm not sure that's possible - seeing as this argument has no "yes or no" or "right or wrong."

[Achillea]

I am a Catholic but I think that Jesus Christ wanted everyone to be loved, he showed us through his actions that sometimes what is the general belief is indeed wrong. He made a point of protecting the outcasts of society. During his time, some people thought he was right but his religion (Judaism) thought he was evil and or that reason he was killed. I believe that if Jesus was alive today he would want gay people to find happiness like straight people and he would be protecting the outcasts of today's society.I think that if you spread hate and call it Christianity then you are a sinner. Jesus Christ spread love and wants everyone to spread love, no matter what orientation. God made you the way you are ad indeed I believe that he loves you for yourself.

[pyropilot1668]

Somewhere in Genesis:God created woman for man

[CharlieHorse]

We're all people. There is nothing wrong with 2 guys or 2 girls (or even more) loving eachother and enjoying eachother's intimate love. If you think there is, then I suggest you leave this place, because VT is for helping people, and loving each other as we grow through our teen years. We don't judge eachother, and we certainly don't hate eachother for our conditions whatever they may be.

If you believe that being gay is a sin, and it's wrong, I feel terribly sorry for you. I want to hug you and comfort you, because it must have been terrible to have those sick, twisted, fucked up lies pounded into your head since childhood and to have the adults make you believe it's called faith.

[pokedragonS8]

I'm not gay but there was a time I thought I was Cruz I was interested in gay porn but now am seeing gay gay gay on like every forum site I join. so don't you or they know that its a sin? Cruz I bliv it is

Oh...Oh dear,

Oh, you don't seem to understand, appearances are just here to make life easier, gender does not matter in any way, as all are equal... Therefore, if all are equal, then love has no boundaries...
Sad to say, love has died in our generation and has been replaced by a terrible lust... :(

Oh well, I believe in Buddhism...

[Lovelife090994]

We're all people. There is nothing wrong with 2 guys or 2 girls (or even more) loving eachother and enjoying eachother's intimate love. If you think there is, then I suggest you leave this place, because VT is for helping people, and loving each other as we grow through our teen years. We don't judge eachother, and we certainly don't hate eachother for our conditions whatever they may be.

If you believe that being gay is a sin, and it's wrong, I feel terribly sorry for you. I want to hug you and comfort you, because it must have been terrible to have those sick, twisted, fucked up lies pounded into your head since childhood and to have the adults make you believe it's called faith.

You have no idea the fullness of your words do you? I wish to hug you because you do not understand. You have just demeaned and insulted anyone of faith and more importantly, faith itself. I weep for you, such delusion, such lies, who said this? I know not. I know VT is not the kindest site, especially to the faithful few but to say what you said is sad to all, sad indeed. I wish you well, hopefully someone will tell you your error. I feel it is not for me to say but it will be said, and by whom I do not know.
Please reexamine your words.

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You have no idea the fullness of your words do you? I wish to hug you because you do not understand. You have just demeaned and insulted anyone of faith and more importantly, faith itself. I weep for you, such delusion, such lies, who said this? I know not. I know VT is not the kindest site, especially to the faithful few but to say what you said is sad to all, sad indeed. I wish you well, hopefully someone will tell you your error. I feel it is not for me to say but it will be said, and by whom I do not know.
Please reexamine your words.

Nice work. You just took one of the most hopeful posts on this thread and destroyed it with your meaningless and vague statements. If you haven't noticed, VT is a place for peace, and more importantly advice, and you aren't very good at the latter.

"I know VT is not the kindest site" You can say whatever you want about me, I don't really care. But you don't insult the whole site. This site has helped so many different people with so many different problems. And you're angry because nobody agrees with your hateful and empty lectures?

News flash, if you don't like the site, you don't HAVE to be here. The rest of us would actually like to help people.

(Sorry for being off-topic, but this had to be said.)

We're all people. There is nothing wrong with 2 guys or 2 girls (or even more) loving eachother and enjoying eachother's intimate love. If you think there is, then I suggest you leave this place, because VT is for helping people, and loving each other as we grow through our teen years. We don't judge eachother, and we certainly don't hate eachother for our conditions whatever they may be.

If you believe that being gay is a sin, and it's wrong, I feel terribly sorry for you. I want to hug you and comfort you, because it must have been terrible to have those sick, twisted, fucked up lies pounded into your head since childhood and to have the adults make you believe it's called faith.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Restored my faith in humanity. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[johnc15]

The temptation of engaging in homosexual acts is not a sin at all, but when you give into them, it then becomes a sin.
However, if you know someone that is gay, you shouldn't treat then any differently than you would a straight person, and only discuss your views on (their) sexuality with them if they ask your opinion.
All people deserve to be loved, regardless of their actions, and should not be mistreated for their lifestyle.

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The temptation of engaging in homosexual acts is not a sin at all, but when you give into them, it then becomes a sin.
However, if you know someone that is gay, you shouldn't treat then any differently than you would a straight person, and only discuss your views on (their) sexuality with them if they ask your opinion.
All people deserve to be loved, regardless of their actions, and should not be mistreated for their lifestyle.

If you're aren't going to acknowledge the fact that it's a "sin", then what is the point of thinking it's a sin in the first place?

[johnc15]

"If you're aren't going to acknowledge the fact that it's a "sin", then what is the point of thinking it's a sin in the first place?"
One, i dont know how to quote on this thing. I tried pressing the button at the bottom of the message box, but it doesnt do anything -_-
And two, (sorry if i sound defensive in saying this, but its hard to word) how didnt i acknowledge that engaging in homosexual acts is a sin?

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how didnt i acknowledge that engaging in homosexual acts is a sin?

but when you give into them, it then becomes a sin.

That's how. You said if you act on it it's a sin. But then you said that it shouldn't matter because we're all equal.

So my question is if you don't have anything against it, why would you point out the "fact" that it's a sin.

[nice]

That's how. You said if you act on it it's a sin. But then you said that it shouldn't matter because we're all equal.

So my question is if you don't have anything against it, why would you point out the "fact" that it's a sin.

You can be ok with something and still point out the "flaws in it" I know plenty of Christians that are ok with gays and don't hate but don't want gay marriage or don't like gay sex because being with someone of the same gender sexually is a "sin"

[Blablabla36489]

We,christians,tell it is a sin because God made a man and a woman to be together and it's clearly told.It's like you say that men only can use male toilet,so it's clear to not use some other.

[Extreme586]

Everyone's arguing back and forth on whether being gay is a sin or not.

Who the fuck cares?

Whether it is a sin or not, gay people (including myself) live amongst us. It's similar to the issue of race in the U.S. if you go back a few hundred years. I'm sure many white people of that time thought of black equality as being sinful or wrong. Look at how far we've come in the past few hundred years in terms of racial equality.

Now we are faced with yet again, a similar issue which is the exact same type of situation. A genetic predisposition that is seen as wrong or sinful by some because of what the majority considers normal. Ironically, the OP seems to be an African American himself so I wonder if he can relate to gay's situation if he looks at it through the perspective of racial equality over the past few hundred years.

Whether it is a sin or not, I hope religious stupidity will someday disappear to logic and reason.

[Trenton_]

Everyone's arguing back and forth on whether being gay is a sin or not.

Who the fuck cares?

Whether it is a sin or not, gay people (including myself) live amongst us. It's similar to the issue of race in the U.S. if you go back a few hundred years. I'm sure many white people of that time thought of black equality as being sinful or wrong. Look at how far we've come in the past few hundred years in terms of racial equality.

Now we are faced with yet again, a similar issue which is the exact same type of situation. A genetic predisposition that is seen as wrong or sinful by some because of what the majority considers normal. Ironically, the OP seems to be an African American himself so I wonder if he can relate to gay's situation if he looks at it through the perspective of racial equality over the past few hundred years.

Whether it is a sin or not, I hope religious stupidity will someday disappear to logic and reason.

Your view of religion is uninformed.

You said it yourself, who cares? It seems YOU do. That isn't logical for you to post about something you don't care about.

So when you site "logic and reason" you immediately were not using the very attributes that you someday hope for. smh

[Extreme586]

Your view of religion is uninformed.

You said it yourself, who cares? It seems YOU do. That isn't logical for you to post about something you don't care about.

So when you site "logic and reason" you immediately were not using the very attributes that you someday hope for. smh

You missed the point of what I was trying to say to spite me on my use of logic and reason? And my "who cares" was aimed at whether or not it is a religious sin. My post was aimed at something I care about which is equality for gays. Therefore it is logical for me to post.

[Trenton_]

You missed the point of what I was trying to say to spite me on my use of logic and reason? And my "who cares" was aimed at whether or not it is a religious sin. My post was aimed at something I care about which is equality for gays. Therefore it is logical for me to post.

The best you can hope for is equality in the eyes of the law. Beyond that, you get what you get. We all do. If private organization like a church doesn't fit the way you want to live, then don't go. They have no reason to change for you. It's a club effectively and if you don't like it find another club. Public company like walmart they have to treat you the same. private places, they don't.

We are only equal legally after that no one is equal so striving for everyone being the same is stupid.


The who cares on being a homo being a sin is the issue. You said you don't care, so why care? being gay isn't a sin, doing gay is.

[Extreme586]

The best you can hope for is equality in the eyes of the law. Beyond that, you get what you get. We all do. If private organization like a church doesn't fit the way you want to live, then don't go. They have no reason to change for you. It's a club effectively and if you don't like it find another club. Public company like walmart they have to treat you the same. private places, they don't.

We are only equal legally after that no one is equal so striving for everyone being the same is stupid.


The who cares on being a homo being a sin is the issue. You said you don't care, so why care? being gay isn't a sin, doing gay is.

I don't go to church actually, and my post didn't have much to do with private organizations like it accepting me. As for me caring about whether it's a sin or not, my original post's aim was set directly at that. Who the fuck cares. I just want to be treated like any other individual would by other people, not necessarily their religious group. Hence the who cares if it's a sin part of my original post. Treat people how you would like to be treated, not based on if it's a religious sin.

Also, you keep saying I care, but that's why I said "Who the fuck cares?". I don't know why you think that is the issue. The last thing you said made no sense btw, please explain it to me "being gay isn't a sin, doing gay is."

[heroboy]

Ok god made you the way u or so if he made you gay then that proves he has nothing against it

[Trenton_]

I don't go to church actually, and my post didn't have much to do with private organizations like it accepting me. As for me caring about whether it's a sin or not, my original post's aim was set directly at that. Who the fuck cares. I just want to be treated like any other individual would by other people, not necessarily their religious group. Hence the who cares if it's a sin part of my original post. Treat people how you would like to be treated, not based on if it's a religious sin.

Also, you keep saying I care, but that's why I said "Who the fuck cares?". I don't know why you think that is the issue. The last thing you said made no sense btw, please explain it to me "being gay isn't a sin, doing gay is."

Being or thinking you are gay is fine. It's a sexuality, not an action.
Doing gay was meant to equate to doing gay sexual acts as in having gay sex is a sin.

No big deal form most gays because like you, they don't care. If gays don't believe in God, they really shouldn't care what are sins and what aren't.

[indoxyl]

In all honesty i dont think anyone should give two shits about gay marriage. If two sane sex people want to get married then they should be able to do so without some religious or political fucks trying to stick their noses in it. If the religious or political people don't like gay marriage THEN DONT GET GAY MARRIED. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean other people shouldnt be able to get married to the same sex person that they love.

I for one don't enjoy peas and you don't see them being illegal for gods sake.

Can i also point out that at one point it was illegal or 'frowned upon' to marry someone of a different race. look how that turned out.

[Extreme586]

Being or thinking you are gay is fine. It's a sexuality, not an action.
Doing gay was meant to equate to doing gay sexual acts as in having gay sex is a sin.

No big deal form most gays because like you, they don't care. If gays don't believe in God, they really shouldn't care what are sins and what aren't.
You see now your putting words in my mouth. You have no idea what I believe in and I can't help but feel you keep putting me beneath you. As if I was some kind of child that needed to be put down for a nap while the grown ups talk. It's very irritating. Your not above me because you were dealt the straight cards, and I wasn't.

Also your explanation for how doing gay acts is a sin but not being or thinking gay thoughts isn't, just shows how ludicrous you and many other people's line of thinking is. It's the same thing as me telling you, you can think and be straight, but if you go out and have sex with a women it's wrong. Do you see how crazy that sounds? Resisting an urge to do something that is built into you, something you didn't choose to be yourself. It feels like your asking the same thing of gay people. It doesn't make much sense.

Can i also point out that at one point it was illegal or 'frowned upon' to marry someone of a different race. look how that turned out.
I totally agree with you. That's what my original reply was all about and I wish people could make the comparison and realize it is no different. Glad we see eye to eye! :)

[boyfun0123]

the catholic church has no problem with 2 guys loving each other. it does have an issue with gay sex because it says the purpose of sex is for a married couple to reproduce