Were the Events of September Eleventh, Two Thousand One an Inside Job?

[PinkFloyd]

Yes or No?
Please back your answer up.

[Carlsen]

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[Cygnus]

How can gringos still keep speculating and making conspiracy theories about the twin towers? Seriously, get over it, a plane crashed, metal bars melted, they fell. DONE, no need to go all "OMG like never forget" every year, in fact that day is one of the happiest days every year because I get to tell 9/11 jokes at the proper day.

So to answer you question, no, it wasn't, get over it.

[WickedWeekend]

How can gringos still keep speculating and making conspiracy theories about the twin towers? Seriously, get over it, a plane crashed, metal bars melted, they fell. DONE, no need to go all "OMG like never forget" every year, in fact that day is one of the happiest days every year because I get to tell 9/11 jokes at the proper day.

So to answer you question, no, it wasn't, get over it.

3000 people died and many were injured. You're shrugging it off like it's nothing. I don't usually say this, but you, sir, are heartless.

As to the OP's question, I believe it was a terrorist attack from the outside. I don't believe one (or a handful of people, for that matter) of our own would attempt to kill that many people. But we've seen it in Newtown, so my point is invalid.

[Cygnus]

I don't usually say this, but you, sir, are heartless.


You killed more than 100 dragons, talk about being heartless. Back to the subject, my ideals are a little, different, too much compassion means weakness.

[WickedWeekend]

You killed more than 100 dragons, talk about being heartless. Back to the subject, my ideals are a little, different, too much compassion means weakness.

What if someone close to you died in there? I'm just asking, how would you feel?

[Horatio Nelson]

No. Because why? Why what would the US government gain? Besides a reason to attack the middle east. But that's another story.

[Stronger]

How can gringos still keep speculating and making conspiracy theories about the twin towers? Seriously, get over it, a plane crashed, metal bars melted, they fell. DONE, no need to go all "OMG like never forget" every year, in fact that day is one of the happiest days every year because I get to tell 9/11 jokes at the proper day.

So to answer you question, no, it wasn't, get over it.

http://i.stack.imgur.com/jiFfM.jpg

Actually yeah, it is a day to never forget, much like Pearl Harbour. 9/11 jokes? Like what even.

[Harry Smith]

No, it's the most ridiculous idea ever. Do you have any idea how much shit would go down if it ever leaked, it would be like 10000 times worse than Watergate. The people who claim it was an inside job don't actually have a theory worked out they just stick to facts like the whole in the rubble was 12.3 meters when the wing of a 747 was 12.31 metres. The idea that the CIA or bush administration would sit down and plan this just to Afghanistan is ridiculous.

Then people claim that the towers were blown up using thermite, I don't think that anyway who is planning a fake attack is stupid enough to fly a plane into a building then have to blow it up using some plastic. If they were faking it they would just cut out the planes.

The conspiracy theory has no proof or alternative, just a bunch of crackpots

[Southside]

*ANSWER THESE 2 QUESTIONS*
1. How did WTC7 collaspe
2.Why was Nano-Thermite found at the Ground Zero site?

How can gringos still keep speculating and making conspiracy theories about the twin towers? Seriously, get over it, a plane crashed, metal bars melted, they fell. DONE, no need to go all "OMG like never forget" every year, in fact that day is one of the happiest days every year because I get to tell 9/11 jokes at the proper day.

So to answer you question, no, it wasn't, get over it.

How did metal bars melt? Steel melts at 2,500 F, the NIST found that the fires only reached 250celcius

[britishboy]

How did metal bars melt? Steel melts at 2,500 F, the NIST found that the fires only reached 250celcius

f and c are very different..... and friction and pressure

[Cygnus]

What if someone close to you died in there? I'm just asking, how would you feel?

If someone close to me died I would feel bad, but no one close died, so I don't care. Long live population control.

[Harry Smith]

How did metal bars melt? Steel melts at 2,500 F, the NIST found that the fires only reached 250celcius

Because a plane flew into them?

*ANSWER THESE 2 QUESTIONS*
1. How did WTC7 collaspe
2.Why was Nano-Thermite found at the Ground Zero site?

1) It was pulled down by firefighters using a high powered winches
2) Thermite wasn't found

But I understand what you mean, it's so likely that this happened.

' I know lets fly a plane into a building but in-case that doesn't work lets strap the building with Thermite so we can invade Afghanistan. Is everyone in the Cabinet happy with this?

Yes Mr Bush

[Miserabilia]

I don't think it was an inside job. If I whould beleive that I whould also have to beleive that all the government is a conspiracy etc,, thus also anyone working for them.
Also, government is chosen by people. That means that any adult can get any political position (theoraticly) since this is democracy.) Does that mean that everyone was involved? OR just a few people? For me its just to uclear to beleive it was set up by "the government"
I whould rather say there is something suspicious about it, but its not as simple as "government did it"
If anyone knows what im sayin'.

[Harry Smith]

I don't think it was an inside job. If I whould beleive that I whould also have to beleive that all the government is a conspiracy etc,, thus also anyone working for them.
Also, government is chosen by people. That means that any adult can get any political position (theoraticly) since this is democracy.) Does that mean that everyone was involved? OR just a few people? For me its just to uclear to beleive it was set up by "the government"
I whould rather say there is something suspicious about it, but its not as simple as "government did it"
If anyone knows what im sayin'.

there's nothing suspicious about it

You can get a conspiracy theory from anything. Literally anything, you could have over 500 different forms of proof- video, newspaper, articles, terrorists background, evidence of planning etc and some nut job could still claim it was an inside job

[Miserabilia]

there's nothing suspicious about it

You can get a conspiracy theory from anything. Literally anything, you could have over 500 different forms of proof- video, newspaper, articles, terrorists background, evidence of planning etc and some nut job could still claim it was an inside job

I TOTALLY AGGREE!
With suspicious I don't mean the actual 9/11, that was definetly done by terrorists and I don't really see a conspiracy there. With suspicious I mean that I can only rely on american news for information, and to be honest american television isn't really something I can trust.
:yes:

[Professional Russian]

3000 people died and many were injured. You're shrugging it off like it's nothing. I don't usually say this, but you, sir, are heartless.

As to the OP's question, I believe it was a terrorist attack from the outside. I don't believe one (or a handful of people, for that matter) of our own would attempt to kill that many people. But we've seen it in Newtown, so my point is invalid.

You can't compare those 2 events. Its like comparing apples to orange. They are totally different.

[Camazotz]

....in fact that day is one of the happiest days every year because I get to tell 9/11 jokes at the proper day.

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You killed more than 100 dragons, talk about being heartless. Back to the subject, my ideals are a little, different, too much compassion means weakness.

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If someone close to me died I would feel bad, but no one close died, so I don't care. Long live population control.

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I TOTALLY AGGREE!
With suspicious I don't mean the actual 9/11, that was definetly done by terrorists and I don't really see a conspiracy there. With suspicious I mean that I can only rely on american news for information, and to be honest american television isn't really something I can trust.
:yes:

Where else would you get news about America? France? Poland? South Africa? What makes American news untrustworthy? What do they have to gain by "covering up" anything?

I don't believe one (or a handful of people, for that matter) of our own would attempt to kill that many people. But we've seen it in Newtown, so my point is invalid.

Mentally ill vs. brainwashed extremists are totally different things. Adam Lanza didn't kill children for a cause, he was mentally unstable.

No, it's the most ridiculous idea ever. Do you have any idea how much shit would go down if it ever leaked, it would be like 10000 times worse than Watergate. The people who claim it was an inside job don't actually have a theory worked out they just stick to facts like the whole in the rubble was 12.3 meters when the wing of a 747 was 12.31 metres. The idea that the CIA or bush administration would sit down and plan this just to attack Afghanistan is ridiculous.

Then people claim that the towers were blown up using thermite, I don't think that anyway who is planning a fake attack is stupid enough to fly a plane into a building then have to blow it up using some plastic. If they were faking it they would just cut out the planes.

The conspiracy theory has no proof or alternative, just a bunch of crackpots

The most intelligent post in this thread; couldn't agree more.

[teen.jpg]

How can gringos still keep speculating and making conspiracy theories about the twin towers? Seriously, get over it, a plane crashed, metal bars melted, they fell. DONE, no need to go all "OMG like never forget" every year, in fact that day is one of the happiest days every year because I get to tell 9/11 jokes at the proper day.

So to answer you question, no, it wasn't, get over it.

9/11 JOKES? 3000 people die and you tell JOKES? That's just wrong, man.

You killed more than 100 dragons, talk about being heartless. Back to the subject, my ideals are a little, different, too much compassion means weakness.

Why would having a damn heart mean that you're weak? If anything, having the ability to show emotion and not be fear is STRONGER then trying to hide it.

If someone close to me died I would feel bad, but no one close died, so I don't care. Long live population control.

How can you live with yourself saying something like that?

[Southside]

Because a plane flew into them?



1) It was pulled down by firefighters using a high powered winches
2) Thermite wasn't found

But I understand what you mean, it's so likely that this happened.

' I know lets fly a plane into a building but in-case that doesn't work lets strap the building with Thermite so we can invade Afghanistan. Is everyone in the Cabinet happy with this?

Yes Mr Bush

http://investigate911.org/
Thermite was found, and examined in a labratory, the scientist determined it was nano-thermite.
How does a plane cause steel to melt?

[Harry Smith]

http://investigate911.org/
Thermite was found, and examined in a labratory, the scientist determined it was nano-thermite.
How does a plane cause steel to melt?

1)Do you know how the internet works? Anyone can make a page and write what they want, unless you can give a source which meets a test of NOP ( nature, origin and purpose) you have no evidence. That source is ASB

2) When the plane hit the building, and yes it did it causes this wonderful thing called an explosion. This was followed by something called fire, fire causes metals to melt. A 737 has a very large amount of Kerosene in the engines, it's practically a flying bomb.

3) Since you believe that my version is wrong, please give me proof and an idea how the federal government and or the CIA planned and coordinated this attack...

[Stronk Serb]

3000 people died and many were injured. You're shrugging it off like it's nothing. I don't usually say this, but you, sir, are heartless.

As to the OP's question, I believe it was a terrorist attack from the outside. I don't believe one (or a handful of people, for that matter) of our own would attempt to kill that many people. But we've seen it in Newtown, so my point is invalid.


During the Allied bombing of Belgrade in '44, a lot of civiliams died. Serbs who were agaijst the Nazis. During Allied bombings of Germany, thousands died. Nobody is mourning them now. You Americans are putting yourselves in the middle. Always playing the victim.

[WickedWeekend]

During the Allied bombing of Belgrade in '44, a lot of civiliams died. Serbs who were agaijst the Nazis. During Allied bombings of Germany, thousands died. Nobody is mourning them now. You Americans are putting yourselves in the middle. Always playing the victim.

I can't say that I know my history well enough to counter-attack, but America is pretty stupid, to kill all those people. I mourn my own who were lost, and when I find out about others who have died, I give a moment of silence.

Also, maybe if we are the victim? Are you painting yourself to be the victim? In this world, with wars and all the politics, there is no victim or perpetrator, since there's always a fight.

[Southside]

1)Do you know how the internet works? Anyone can make a page and write what they want, unless you can give a source which meets a test of NOP ( nature, origin and purpose) you have no evidence. That source is ASB

2) When the plane hit the building, and yes it did it causes this wonderful thing called an explosion. This was followed by something called fire, fire causes metals to melt. A 737 has a very large amount of Kerosene in the engines, it's practically a flying bomb.

3) Since you believe that my version is wrong, please give me proof and an idea how the federal government and or the CIA planned and coordinated this attack...

All of the kerosene would have been burned off in the initial explosion..Basically, the fires were just feeding off carpet,office papers, and computers. My point is, the fires WERE NOT hot enough to "melt" the metal. I think planes did hit the buildings, but thermite was used to bring it down.

[Professional Russian]

All of the kerosene would have been burned off in the initial explosion..Basically, the fires were just feeding off carpet,office papers, and computers. My point is, the fires WERE NOT hot enough to "melt" the metal. I think planes did hit the buildings, but thermite was used to bring it down.

In the official report(I'll site it later....maybe) they said the steel did not melt. The fire proofing blown off from the explosion of plane leavening the steel full exposed to the heat. The steel eventually got hot enough that it could no longer hold the weight of the above floors thus they fell along with the rest of the tower.

[Stronk Serb]

I can't say that I know my history well enough to counter-attack, but America is pretty stupid, to kill all those people. I mourn my own who were lost, and when I find out about others who have died, I give a moment of silence.

Also, maybe if we are the victim? Are you painting yourself to be the victim? In this world, with wars and all the politics, there is no victim or perpetrator, since there's always a fight.

Well I am not going on about massacred Serbs from the Middle Ages 'till today.

[WickedWeekend]

Well I am not going on about massacred Serbs from the Middle Ages 'till today.

That's the thing. Americans are softer, so just accept it. A terrorist attack doesn't exactly make us feel safe.

[Professional Russian]

Well I am not going on about massacred Serbs from the Middle Ages 'till today.

Oh holy mother of fuck. Why are you talking about the middle ages. This happens only 10 years ago(11this year.)

[Camazotz]

All of the kerosene would have been burned off in the initial explosion..Basically, the fires were just feeding off carpet,office papers, and computers. My point is, the fires WERE NOT hot enough to "melt" the metal. I think planes did hit the buildings, but thermite was used to bring it down.

But what kind of evidence do you have to prove that? There has been absolutely no evidence and no reliable sources proving that 9/11 was a conspiracy.

Oh holy mother of fuck. Why are you talking about the middle ages. This happens only 10 years ago(11this year.)

Exactly. The United States wasn't even founded for more than 4 centuries after the Middle Ages.

[Stronk Serb]

That's the thing. Americans are softer, so just accept it. A terrorist attack doesn't exactly make us feel safe.

Neither do us Serbs feel safe about Gypsy highwaymen mugging people. We accept it. Serbs on Kosovo do not feel safe now that they are second-class citizens, but acceptance of our fate has been in our DNA since the dark days of our slavery to the Ottoman Empire.

[Professional Russian]

I don't why the US wouldn't feel safe. We have worlds best trained military protecting us nothing to be scared of.

[Southside]

But what kind of evidence do you have to prove that? There has been absolutely no evidence and no reliable sources proving that 9/11 was a conspiracy.



Exactly. The United States wasn't even founded for more than 4 centuries after the Middle Ages.


I never said it was a conspiracy, Im saying its alot of questions that have been raised by 9/11 truthers that havent got a answer from the government.

[WaffleSingSong]

Well I am not going on about massacred Serbs from the Middle Ages 'till today.

Well, we are a relativity young country that has never really experienced anything like 9/11. Our national mentality is not set like a Serbians, who are a tough people who have suffered more massacres than security police for Justin Bieber.

As for the actual question, there is evidence saying yes and evidence saying no. Its really one of those things where no one can say with 100% security that the government did do it and if they did not do it.

But for my gut feeling? I can't really see what they would gain from it, so I am leaning on no.

[Camazotz]

I don't why the US wouldn't feel safe. We have worlds best trained military protecting us nothing to be scared of.

Because said military can't defend us against a terrorist attack. Meanwhile, terrorist organizations in the Middle East continue to grow.

[WickedWeekend]

Neither do us Serbs feel safe about Gypsy highwaymen mugging people. We accept it. Serbs on Kosovo do not feel safe now that they are second-class citizens, but acceptance of our fate has been in our DNA since the dark days of our slavery to the Ottoman Empire.

I'm sorry for what's happened to you guys. But have I not said, we Americans are soft? A breach in our security doesn't happen everyday.

I don't why the US wouldn't feel safe. We have worlds best trained military protecting us nothing to be scared of.

I support the military as much as the next guy, but you're wrong. Nothing to be scared of? What about Newtown and the Boston bombings? We shut schools down after the events of Newtown. If we had nothing to be afraid of after the Boston events, why was the city put on lockdown?

[Stronk Serb]

Oh holy mother of fuck. Why are you talking about the middle ages. This happens only 10 years ago(11this year.)

We have been taking violence from the Middle Ages 'till today. And some of our brethren still are.

[StoppingTime]

We have been taking violence from the Middle Ages 'till today. And some of our brethren still are.

..and? That has nothing to do with this thread, so don't bring it up again.

[Stronk Serb]

I'm sorry for what's happened to you guys. But have I not said, we Americans are soft? A breach in our security doesn't happen everyday.



I support the military as much as the next guy, but you're wrong. Nothing to be scared of? What about Newtown and the Boston bombings? We shut schools down after the events of Newtown. If we had nothing to be afraid of after the Boston events, why was the city put on lockdown?

Yet, what caused you to get bombed during 9/11? The Boston bombing was about some crazy Chechens who were raised in the US and I never heard of the Newtown bombing. Instead of crying, realize what caused the problem and what is the problem, and you are halfway there to solve it.

[WickedWeekend]

Yet, what caused you to get bombed during 9/11? The Boston bombing was about some crazy Chechens who were raised in the US and I never heard of the Newtown bombing. Instead of crying, realize what caused the problem and what is the problem, and you are halfway there to solve it.

I'm finished with you. You don't understand what sensitive issues are.

"Many people died."

You- "Oh who gives a fuck."

[britishboy]

Yet, what caused you to get bombed during 9/11? The Boston bombing was about some crazy Chechens who were raised in the US and I never heard of the Newtown bombing. Instead of crying, realize what caused the problem and what is the problem, and you are halfway there to solve it.

you are extremely disrespectful and simply stupid to put it lightly and just GET OVER THE SERBIAN BOMBINGS! if anything thats an example in how good the west is, stop hating the west!

[Gigablue]

How did metal bars melt? Steel melts at 2,500 F, the NIST found that the fires only reached 250celcius

They didn't. The fire weakened the steel, then the weight of the floors above caused it to fail, starting a chain reaction which brought down the building.

http://investigate911.org/
Thermite was found, and examined in a labratory, the scientist determined it was nano-thermite.
How does a plane cause steel to melt?

Can you give a more reliable source? That one is blatantly conspiratorial.

All of the kerosene would have been burned off in the initial explosion..Basically, the fires were just feeding off carpet,office papers, and computers. My point is, the fires WERE NOT hot enough to "melt" the metal. I think planes did hit the buildings, but thermite was used to bring it down.

Who planted the thermite? Also, if thermite can bring down a building, why bother flying planes into it, why not just destroy it with thermite?

[Stronk Serb]

you are extremely disrespectful and simply stupid to put it lightly and just GET OVER THE SERBIAN BOMBINGS! if anything thats an example in how good the west is, stop hating the west!

You get over your 3 soldiers who died in Afghanistan. So by your "example" the west is good only for bombing raids? Sheesh, I thought the west was a bit better then that. Yet I find it hard to believe that the US government bombed itself. Too illogical, no country with sane leadership would do something like that.

[britishboy]

You get over your 3 soldiers who died in Afghanistan. So by your "example" the west is good only for bombing raids? Sheesh, I thought the west was a bit better then that. Yet I find it hard to believe that the US government bombed itself. Too illogical, no country with sane leadership would do something like that.

we didnt go to Afghanistan for fun, and with Serbia being so close to britian we couldn't say no ti bombing you, you needed it and yeah we are good at that
picsoff.com/files/funzug/imgs/technology/worlds_biggest_airplanes_26.jpg

www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/cluster-bombs.jpg

so yeah we are good at if btw and we in Afghanistan for world peace

[Stronk Serb]

I'm finished with you. You don't understand what sensitive issues are.

"Many people died."

You- "Oh who gives a fuck."

I just got used to the pain. Everyone did here. I lost my kinsman during the Civil War, he was shot down by AA missiles. Life goes on. I cannot stay and mourn the past all the time.

we didnt go to Afghanistan for fun, and with Serbia being so close to britian we couldn't say no ti bombing you, you needed it and yeah we are good at that
picsoff.com/files/funzug/imgs/technology/worlds_biggest_airplanes_26.jpg

www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/cluster-bombs.jpg

so yeah we are good at if btw and we in Afghanistan for world peace


You just contradicted yourself. Saying that you are only good for bombings and ruining people's lives, and saying that you are fighting for world peace in the next sentence. Make up your mind already. And calling me disrespectful? You are calling countries names even though you never been there, compare a people to Hitler even though you probably have not even met a Serb, and saying some country deserved to be bombed.

[britishboy]

I just got used to the pain. Everyone did here. I lost my kinsman during the Civil War, he was shot down by AA missiles. Life goes on. I cannot stay and mourn the past all the time.




You just contradicted yourself. Saying that you are only good for bombings and ruining people's lives, and saying that you are fighting for world peace in the next sentence. Make up your mind already. And calling me disrespectful? You are calling countries names even though you never been there, compare a people to Hitler even though you probably have not even met a Serb, and saying some country deserved to be bombed.

we are at war in Afghanistan! its for world peace and we must be good to win!

[StoppingTime]

You get over your 3 soldiers who died in Afghanistan. So by your "example" the west is good only for bombing raids? Sheesh, I thought the west was a bit better then that. Yet I find it hard to believe that the US government bombed itself. Too illogical, no country with sane leadership would do something like that.

we didnt go to Afghanistan for fun, and with Serbia being so close to britian we couldn't say no ti bombing you, you needed it and yeah we are good at that
picsoff.com/files/funzug/imgs/technology/worlds_biggest_airplanes_26.jpg

www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/cluster-bombs.jpg

so yeah we are good at if btw and we in Afghanistan for world peace

I just got used to the pain. Everyone did here. I lost my kinsman during the Civil War, he was shot down by AA missiles. Life goes on. I cannot stay and mourn the past all the time.




You just contradicted yourself. Saying that you are only good for bombings and ruining people's lives, and saying that you are fighting for world peace in the next sentence. Make up your mind already. And calling me disrespectful? You are calling countries names even though you never been there, compare a people to Hitler even though you probably have not even met a Serb, and saying some country deserved to be bombed.

Can you all try and make some effort to stay on topic? If you must, continue this in another thread or in PMs. Any message regarding this topic after this post will be deleted.

[tovaris]

definately

[Stronk Serb]

Why put thermite and crash a plane? I think it was the Al-Qaeda. I doubt there was any termite.

[Harry Smith]

All of the kerosene would have been burned off in the initial explosion..Basically, the fires were just feeding off carpet,office papers, and computers. My point is, the fires WERE NOT hot enough to "melt" the metal. I think planes did hit the buildings, but thermite was used to bring it down.

As said above, why would they plant a bomb and then fly a plane into it, I know the CIA are a bit slow but they would simply put the bomb and say it was a rucksack bomber.

The amount of heat would of been insane. The metal on the building was aluminuim. You claim that it would of needed to be hotter to melt this. If you look at Air France flight 358 when it crashed and caught fire its aluminum skin melted to the ground. It simply went off the runway and caught fire. What melted the airliner was its contents, like seats, clothing and other stuff found within airlines.

''Yet the NIST replicated the fires by burning office furniture in a controlled experiment and found the ceiling temperature to reach 1,100 degrees C''

This was a controlled experiment carried out by a respectable agency, there's your answer.

[Professional Russian]

I'm sorry for what's happened to you guys. But have I not said, we Americans are soft? A breach in our security doesn't happen everyday.



I support the military as much as the next guy, but you're wrong. Nothing to be scared of? What about Newtown and the Boston bombings? We shut schools down after the events of Newtown. If we had nothing to be afraid of after the Boston events, why was the city put on lockdown?

I ain't worried about that shit. Those dont happen very often.

[WickedWeekend]

I ain't worried about that shit. Those dont happen very often.

Boston and Newtown were very recent, I'm afraid. Let's list all the shootings that have happened in the USA since 2000, shall we?
October 2002 - a series of sniper-style shootings occurred in Washington DC, leaving 10 dead.
August 2003 - in Chicago, a laid-off worker shot and killed six of his former workmates.
November 2004 - in Birchwood, Wisconsin, a hunter killed six other hunters and wounded two others after an argument with them.
March 2005 - a man opened fire at a church service in Brookfield, Wisconsin, killing seven people.
October 2006 - a truck driver killed five schoolgirls and seriously wounded six others in a school in Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania before taking his own life.

April 2007 - student Seung-Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people and wounded 15 others at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia, before shooting himself, making it the deadliest mass shooting in the United States after 2000.

August 2007 - Three Delaware State University students were shot and killed in “execution style” by a 28-year-old and two 15-year-old boys. A fourth student was shot and stabbed.

September 2007 - A freshman student at Delaware State University shot and wounded two other students at a campus dining hall.

December 2007 - a 20-year-old man killed nine people and injured five others in a shopping center in Omaha, Nebraska.
December 2007 - a woman and her boyfriend shot dead six members of her family on Christmas Eve in Carnation, Washington.

February 2008 - a shooter who is still at large tied up and shot six women at a suburban clothing store in Chicago, leaving five of them dead and the remaining one injured.

February 2008 - a man opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University in DeKalb, Illinois, killing five students and wounding 16 others before laying down his weapon and surrendering.
July 2008 – A former student shot three people in a computer lab at South Mountain Community College, Phoenix, Arizona.

September 2008 - a mentally ill man who was released from jail one month earlier shot eight people in Alger, Washington, leaving six of them dead and the rest two wounded.

October 2008 - Several men in a car drove up to a dormitory at the University of Central Arkansas and opened fire, killing two students and injuring a third person.

December 2008 - a man dressed in a Santa Claus suit opened fire at a family Christmas party in Covina, California, then set fire on the house and killed himself. Police later found nine people dead in the debris of the house.
March 2009 - a 28-year-old laid-off worker opened fire while driving a car through several towns in Alabama, killing 10 people.
March 2009 - a heavily-armed gunman shot dead eight people, many of them elderly and sick people, in a private-owned nursing home in North Carolina.

March 2009 - six people were shot dead in a high-grade apartment building in Santa Clara, California.

April 2009 – An 18-year-old former student followed a pizza deliveryman into his old dormitory, and shot the deliveryman, a dorm monitor, and himself at Hampton University, Virginia.

April 2009 - a man shot dead 13 people at a civic center in Binghamton, New York.

July 2009 - Six people, including one student, were shot in a drive-by shooting at a community rally on the campus of Texas Southern University, Houston.

November 2009 - U.S. army psychologist Major Nidal Hasan opened fire at a military base in Fort Hood, Texas, leaving 13 dead and 42 others wounded.

February 2010 –A professor opened fire 50 minutes into at a Biological Sciences Department faculty meeting at the University of Alabama, killing three colleagues and wounding three others

January 2011 - a gunman opened fire at a public gathering outside a grocery in Tuscon, Arizona, killing six people including a nine-year-old girl and wounding at least 12 others. Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was severely injured with a gunshot to the head.

July 2012 - Masked gunman opens fire at a movie theater in Colorado, killing 12 and injuring 58. Suspect James Holmes is arrested by police and awaiting trial.
August 2012 - Gunman kills six at Slkh Temple in Wisconsin before being shot dead by police. Suspect is named as white supremacists Wade Michael Page.


I sure as hell feel safe.

[Harry Smith]

Boston and Newtown were very recent, I'm afraid. Let's list all the shootings that have happened in the USA since 2000, shall we?



I sure as hell feel safe.

But they still want guns...

[tovaris]

You get over your 3 soldiers who died in Afghanistan. So by your "example" the west is good only for bombing raids? Sheesh, I thought the west was a bit better then that. Yet I find it hard to believe that the US government bombed itself. Too illogical, no country with sane leadership would do something like that.

the sanety of th bushes is debatible

[Southside]

Boston and Newtown were very recent, I'm afraid. Let's list all the shootings that have happened in the USA since 2000, shall we?



I sure as hell feel safe.

Not to mention...Oh the 3000+ killed on the streets of Chicago since the 90s, but the corperate media doesnt report on that because most of the victims are black or Hispanic.
Homocides in Chicago by year.
1990: 851
1991: 927
1992: 943
1993: 855
1994: 931
1995: 828
1996: 796
1997: 761
1998: 704
1999: 643
2000: 633
2001: 667
2002: 656
2003: 601
2004: 1453
2005: 451
2006: 471
2007: 448
2008: 513
2009: 459
2010: 436
2011: 435
2012: 506

[Jess]

I find it hard to believe that 9/11 was an inside job and planned by the government.

[Southside]

I find it hard to believe that 9/11 was an inside job and planned by the government.

I find it hard to believe that people dont know about the nano thermite(demolition explosive) found in the dust at Ground Zero.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00soZ7rQw3U <----Reliable source from a PhD physics professor who studied the dust.

I find it hard to believe people dont know that the WTC were orginally designed to withstand a plane impact.

[Camazotz]

I find it hard to believe that people dont know about the nano thermite(demolition explosive) found in the dust at Ground Zero.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00soZ7rQw3U <----Reliable source from a PhD physics professor who studied the dust.

I find it hard to believe people dont know that the WTC were orginally designed to withstand a plane impact.

I find it hard to believe that people listen to everything on the Internet that supports their beliefs, but ignore the more logical, research.

[britishboy]

I find it hard to believe that 9/11 was an inside job and planned by the government.

it wasnt, it was so serious article 5 was invoked

www.nato.int/terrorism/five.htm

why would the government fake that?

[Southside]

I find it hard to believe that people listen to everything on the Internet that supports their beliefs, but ignore the more logical, research.

I've researched 9/11 for atleast 2 or 3 years now, Im not a 'Wikipedia Expert" either...I gave you video proof from a physics professor who studied the dust, yet you still fail to believe me.

[britishboy]

I've researched 9/11 for atleast 2 or 3 years now, Im not a 'Wikipedia Expert" either...I gave you video proof from a physics professor who studied the dust, yet you still fail to believe me.

because your talking out your ass, article 5 in NATO was invoked, its not a joke and remember plastic explosives are made from many things and remains from this may have been found, you the stereotypical stupid american conspirator

[Southside]

because your talking out your ass, article 5 in NATO was invoked, its not a joke and remember plastic explosives are made from many things and remains from this may have been found, you the stereotypical stupid american conspirator

Answer this, why was thermite found? I've provided video evidence and you guys are still denying me. Thermite isnt just laying around, someone could have put it there. I dont consider myself a conspiracy theorist, I consider myself a truther. Myself and many others just want a simple investigation into the events on 9/11....I'm not one of those truthers who have bullshit theories like "No one was in the towers on 9/11" or ''The planes were holograms", or "No one died in 9/11". Those are garbage conspiracy theories, though the theories ive presented are scientific facts, you cant deny them.

[britishboy]

Answer this, why was thermite found? I've provided video evidence and you guys are still denying me. Thermite isnt just laying around, someone could have put it there. I dont consider myself a conspiracy theorist, I consider myself a truther. Myself and many others just want a simple investigation into the events on 9/11....I'm not one of those truthers who have bullshit theories like "No one was in the towers on 9/11" or ''The planes were holograms", or "No one died in 9/11". Those are garbage conspiracy theories, though the theories ive presented are scientific facts, you cant deny them.

you are 14 you have no clue, no brain and no respect read this.

www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

[Southside]

you are 14 you have no clue, no brain and no respect read this.

www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

The samples taken of thermite were found in the days after 9/11, in this time, the search and rescue process was still taking place, not the recovery/clean up. I love how you have to stoop down to as far as name calling, acting like you arent 14 also. Respect? I have 2 people in my family who were 9/11 first responders, one was a NYFD fireman and the other was a NY National Guardsmen who worked at Ground Zero for 9 months after the attack.

[Stronk Serb]

because your talking out your ass, article 5 in NATO was invoked, its not a joke and remember plastic explosives are made from many things and remains from this may have been found, you the stereotypical stupid american conspirator

You Brits have a great sense of humor.

you are 14 you have no clue, no brain and no respect read this.

www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

Yet another humorous statement. You are 14 also, and SouthsidePro is not name calling and contradicting himself all the time, so his oratory skills are far more advanced then yours.

[britishboy]

You Brits have a great sense of humor.



Yet another humorous statement. You are 14 also, and SouthsidePro is not name calling and contradicting himself all the time, so his oratory skills are far more advanced then yours.

yes I am 14 and thats how I know he has no clue and btw us brits are sure a lot better than communists torturing everyone also dont tell me your one of them conspirators as well as a communist, your brain us really fucked up

The samples taken of thermite were found in the days after 9/11, in this time, the search and rescue process was still taking place, not the recovery/clean up. I love how you have to stoop down to as far as name calling, acting like you arent 14 also. Respect? I have 2 people in my family who were 9/11 first responders, one was a NYFD fireman and the other was a NY National Guardsmen who worked at Ground Zero for 9 months after the attack.

and none of them tourt you anysense also look at the calculations at the bottom of the page, you conspirators have no clue

[Stronk Serb]

yes I am 14 and thats how I know he has no clue and btw us brits are sure a lot better than communists torturing everyone also dont tell me your one of them conspirators as well as a communist, your brain us really fucked up


You are so funny :)
Last time I went to a mental exam, everything was fine. Thank you for caring about my mental health :)
Yet, if thermite was found, truly, what would the purpose of it be? Nobody is carrying it instead of sugar to sweeten their coffee. Maybe it was smuggled into the plane? I know thermite can melt through almost anything, but assuming it was there, there has to be a logical explanation why it was there.

[britishboy]

You are so funny :)
Last time I went to a mental exam, everything was fine. Thank you for caring about my mental health :)
Yet, if thermite was found, truly, what would the purpose of it be? Nobody is carrying it instead of sugar to sweeten their coffee. Maybe it was smuggled into the plane? I know thermite can melt through almost anything, but assuming it was there, there has to be a logical explanation why it was there.

firstly were all teens, not explosive experts so none of us have a great understanding, read this
www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

theres so much proof at the end, but you must read the beginning, read it all its long but will give you an understanding

[Stronk Serb]

firstly were all teens, not explosive experts so none of us have a great understanding, read this
www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

theres so much proof at the end, but you must read the beginning, read it all its long but will give you an understanding

But why would you put thermite there if the plane crash took down the tower? That is what answer I am trying to get.

[britishboy]

But why would you put thermite there if the plane crash took down the tower? That is what answer I am trying to get.

:/ read the whole page

[Human]

Personally I think that it was a terrorist attack.
Even though there are strong theories that it was a government set-up, I believe it was terrorists.

[Harry Smith]

I find it hard to believe that people dont know about the nano thermite(demolition explosive) found in the dust at Ground Zero.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00soZ7rQw3U <----Reliable source from a PhD physics professor who studied the dust.

I find it hard to believe people dont know that the WTC were orginally designed to withstand a plane impact.

No, you couldn't go to court and prove the thermite with a video by a physics professor, do you understand how the science community works? The building did survive the impact of the plane, it just couldn't survive the intense heat followed by the pancaking. Did it collapse the moment a plane hit it? No

I also love how you raised the point about the temprature, I managed to dismiss it, yet you didn't reply.

Typical conspiracry theorist, your argument looks great on web page but it can't withstand interrogation. Also you never answered... why would the CIA or whovever plant a bomb in the tower (Thermite in your opinion) and then fly a plane into it? Surely couldn't they just fake Al-Queda placing a bomb in the twin towers

it wasnt, it was so serious article 5 was invoked

www.nato.int/terrorism/five.htm

why would the government fake that?

Jess was agreeing with you, you need to learn to read posts carefully. Article 5 doesn't prove anything to do with the conspiracy theory

yes I am 14 and thats how I know he has no clue and btw us brits are sure a lot better than communists torturing everyone also dont tell me your one of them conspirators as well as a communist, your brain us really fucked up

and none of them tourt you anysense also look at the calculations at the bottom of the page, you conspirators have no clue

This is my quote of the day

[Southside]

No, you couldn't go to court and prove the thermite with a video by a physics professor, do you understand how the science community works? The building did survive the impact of the plane, it just couldn't survive the intense heat followed by the pancaking. Did it collapse the moment a plane hit it? No

I also love how you raised the point about the temprature, I managed to dismiss it, yet you didn't reply.

Typical conspiracry theorist, your argument looks great on web page but it can't withstand interrogation. Also you never answered... why would the CIA or whovever plant a bomb in the tower (Thermite in your opinion) and then fly a plane into it? Surely couldn't they just fake Al-Queda placing a bomb in the twin towers



Jess was agreeing with you, you need to learn to read posts carefully. Article 5 doesn't prove anything to do with the conspiracy theory



This is my quote of the day

1. Why would CIA or whoever plant bombs in the tower then fly a plane into it?
Heres my theory, CIA knew the Al-Qaeda was planning the attack(Multiple foreign intelligance agencies warned the US that Al-qaeda had operatives on US soil), they strapped the buildings down with thermite and just in case the planes failed, they'd just thermite to take it down.

I cant comment on the strongness of the building nor the heat.

Though tell me your thoughts on the thermite found in the dust..Are you saying the professor was faking his findings?

[Harry Smith]

1. Why would CIA or whoever plant bombs in the tower then fly a plane into it?
Heres my theory, CIA knew the Al-Qaeda was planning the attack(Multiple foreign intelligance agencies warned the US that Al-qaeda had operatives on US soil), they strapped the buildings down with thermite and just in case the planes failed, they'd just thermite to take it down.

I cant comment on the strongness of the building nor the heat.

Though tell me your thoughts on the thermite found in the dust..Are you saying the professor was faking his findings?

lool, do you know how many fake tips off they get every day. Just because Mossad or the KGB tell you doesn't mean you believe them. That's why intel is so unreliable, most of the time it's nothing.

Many controlled explosion demolition experts collapse a building from the bottom not the top. Experts say the windows were blown out as each floor collapsed on to the one below, sending debris and office equipment flying out.

It would also have taken considerable work, which would not have gone unnoticed, to plant sufficient explosives the length of the buildings to bring them down.


The CIA wouldn't need the building to collapse, all it takes is the act of terror on US soil, this idea is stupid. You've got no evidence for it apart from some crackpot scientist, I can't take her word for it.If you want to prove that there was thermite you need a independent inquiry approved by the Senate or other high ranking organisation with stacks worth of evidence including evidence of the bombs being planted, ever heard the word inconclusive I haven't studied the source, but I ask you this

As a Historian have you done any book or paper based work on this?

[StoppingTime]

lool, do you know how many fake tips off they get every day. Just because Mossad or the KGB tell you doesn't mean you believe them. That's why intel is so unreliable, most of the time it's nothing.

Many controlled explosion demolition experts collapse a building from the bottom not the top. Experts say the windows were blown out as each floor collapsed on to the one below, sending debris and office equipment flying out.

It would also have taken considerable work, which would not have gone unnoticed, to plant sufficient explosives the length of the buildings to bring them down.


The CIA wouldn't need the building to collapse, all it takes is the act of terror on US soil, this idea is stupid. You've got no evidence for it apart from some crackpot scientist, I can't take her word for it.If you want to prove that there was thermite you need a independent inquiry approved by the Senate or other high ranking organisation with stacks worth of evidence including evidence of the bombs being planted, ever heard the word inconclusive I haven't studied the source, but I ask you this

As a Historian have you done any book or paper based work on this?

Just to add on to everything that Harry has said, I'll say this

Simply because someone has the title "professor" doesn't mean anything. You claim to have this video done by a professor proving that 9.11 was an inside job. ...So? Why will I let the opinions of one man dictate what I believe? His "sources" and "proof" is refuted by actual reputable sources.
And I know I'm just preaching to the choir. You're a "conspirator" well - you're really just some 14 year old who wants to be called that and feel special and different, I presume. You've yet to provide a source from a single reputable source supporting your opinion, and you won't because they simply do not exist.

There's no point in debating with people like you. It's clear we're not going to steer you off your path as you're so unequivocally sure you're right. So to everyone else, I'd say stop trying. It's not gonna happen :P

[Sugaree]

because your talking out your ass, article 5 in NATO was invoked, its not a joke and remember plastic explosives are made from many things and remains from this may have been found, you the stereotypical stupid american conspirator

>implying that only Americans are conspiracy nuts

[Southside]

Just to add on to everything that Harry has said, I'll say this

Simply because someone has the title "professor" doesn't mean anything. You claim to have this video done by a professor proving that 9.11 was an inside job. ...So? Why will I let the opinions of one man dictate what I believe? His "sources" and "proof" is refuted by actual reputable sources.
And I know I'm just preaching to the choir. You're a "conspirator" well - you're really just some 14 year old who wants to be called that and feel special and different, I presume. You've yet to provide a source from a single reputable source supporting your opinion, and you won't because they simply do not exist.

There's no point in debating with people like you. It's clear we're not going to steer you off your path as you're so unequivocally sure you're right. So to everyone else, I'd say stop trying. It's not gonna happen :P

So the professor is lying? The study of the thermite is wrong? Also, its not his opinions its cold hard facts that thermite was found in the dust at Ground Zero. .I didnt say it was a inside job, I just want to know why thermite was found in the dust..

[Jess]

it wasnt, it was so serious article 5 was invoked

www.nato.int/terrorism/five.htm

why would the government fake that?

I said I believe the government wasn't involved.

[StoppingTime]

So the professor is lying? The study of the thermite is wrong? Also, its not his opinions its cold hard facts that thermite was found in the dust at Ground Zero. .I didnt say it was a inside job, I just want to know why thermite was found in the dust..

Can you provide evidence of this from another source than the "professor?"

And yea, I'm saying he is, as you've provided no other proof. For all you know he isn't actually a professor regardless.

[britishboy]

I said I believe the government wasn't involved.

I know you seemed unsure sozz:p

[Stronk Serb]

lool, do you know how many fake tips off they get every day. Just because Mossad or the KGB tell you doesn't mean you believe them. That's why intel is so unreliable, most of the time it's nothing.

Many controlled explosion demolition experts collapse a building from the bottom not the top. Experts say the windows were blown out as each floor collapsed on to the one below, sending debris and office equipment flying out.

It would also have taken considerable work, which would not have gone unnoticed, to plant sufficient explosives the length of the buildings to bring them down.


The CIA wouldn't need the building to collapse, all it takes is the act of terror on US soil, this idea is stupid. You've got no evidence for it apart from some crackpot scientist, I can't take her word for it.If you want to prove that there was thermite you need a independent inquiry approved by the Senate or other high ranking organisation with stacks worth of evidence including evidence of the bombs being planted, ever heard the word inconclusive I haven't studied the source, but I ask you this

As a Historian have you done any book or paper based work on this?

Basically this. The attack was made by Al-Qaeda, but the CIA wasn't paying much attention to foreign warnings.
PS: I think the name of the Russian intelligence agency is the ВНР (Служба Внешней Разведки, Foreign Intelligence Service) after the fall of the USSR.

[Bethany]

I believe the government did not actively take part in the 9/11 attack, but I do believe that individuals within the government and likely within Wall Street had foreknowledge of the attacks.

The arguments of explosions causing the destruction on 9/11 do not hold up, in my opinion, due to the opinions of many engineers that the plane crashes likely caused the buildings to collapse. Also, there seems to be an absence of convincing evidence from anyone claiming to witness explosions causing the 9/11 destruction.

However, considering the abnormal activity in the stock market in investments made in companies affected by 9/11 in the days before the attack and the reports of high-level officials being warned not to fly on 9/11 or to stay out of NYC, I think it's likely that officials within the government and likely high ranking Wall Street officials had prior knowledge of 9/11.

[ShatteredWings]

Destroying a major place of commerce
Attempted destruction of the Pentagon
A fourth plane that got hijacked by the passengers in rural PA that was probably heading towards the white house

TBQH if the US government was behind it, the third plane would have hit it's target, the passengers who stole it back would have been killed before the flight could've been taken off course.

Also there are better ways to blow up buildings when you're the government and can't have a real trial placed against you....

[Harry Smith]

I believe the government did not actively take part in the 9/11 attack, but I do believe that individuals within the government and likely within Wall Street had foreknowledge of the attacks.

The arguments of explosions causing the destruction on 9/11 do not hold up, in my opinion, due to the opinions of many engineers that the plane crashes likely caused the buildings to collapse. Also, there seems to be an absence of convincing evidence from anyone claiming to witness explosions causing the 9/11 destruction.

However, considering the abnormal activity in the stock market in investments made in companies affected by 9/11 in the days before the attack and the reports of high-level officials being warned not to fly on 9/11 or to stay out of NYC, I think it's likely that officials within the government and likely high ranking Wall Street officials had prior knowledge of 9/11.

You can't base a government conspiracy which could get half of Bushes cabinet impeached and jailed on the basis of the some dodgy share activities. It's not at all likely, remember in the government how many leaks of information, how many aides there are bringing coffee or disgruntled former workers. If the government knew then someone would of leaked it

[Placebo]

*ANSWER THESE 2 QUESTIONS*
1. How did WTC7 collaspe
2.Why was Nano-Thermite found at the Ground Zero site?
Structural damage caused by the heat of the fire and the impact of the plane.
It wasn't.

How did metal bars melt? Steel melts at 2,500 F, the NIST found that the fires only reached 250celcius
You're implying that the metal needed to be liquid before it collapsed. It loses a lot of it's strength beforehand.

[Caldwell]

The government ignored many warning signs that something like this was going to happen, and there are many suspicious activities that happened before and afterward to convince me that somebody isn't telling the truth.

While I doubt the government planned the whole thing, there's definitely some side of the story that the public doesn't know.

[Harry Smith]

The government ignored many warning signs that something like this was going to happen, and there are many suspicious activities that happened before and afterward to convince me that somebody isn't telling the truth.

While I doubt the government planned the whole thing, there's definitely some side of the story that the public doesn't know.

Do you have any idea how many false alarms the US government gets everyday, they can't simply shutdown the whole airspace because a russian says that someone may hijack it in 6 months time