Free education

[tovaris]

Do you think education should be free and excisable to all regardless of sex, social status, skin color, etc? Or do you believe otherwise? Explain your opinion.

[Elysium]

Yes; I see no reason why people shouldn't have the same educational opportunities as others just because of their gender, sex, social status, skin color, religion, etc. As for free, I'm not sure. I go to private school, so my family pays for my education.

[Carlsen]

Do you think education should be free and excisable to all regardless of sex, social status, shin color, etc? Or do you believe otherwise? Explain your opinion.

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education should b e free to everyone I n the country. this should b e public education. I think democracy of gouvernement depend much on public education.

[Ace of Spades]

I believe that education should be free all the way through college.
If the US didn't spend over half the budget on our military, it might be possible for the US to have a free education system through college.

[Sugaree]

As long as the tax payer's dollars would clearly result in successful schools, I'm all for a free education system.

[tovaris]

As long as the tax payer's dollars would clearly result in successful schools, I'm all for a free education system.

Explane and elaborate your views.

[Cygnus]

I think public schools should be free (as they currently are) and private schools payed (as they currently are) if a student or his/her parents want something different, I go to private school. Taxes pay for public schools, however it does not guarantee that they will be of the best quality.

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Why shouldn't they be?

[Sugaree]

Explane and elaborate your views.

It's simple: If I, as a tax payer, can see that kids are graduating at a high rate and that they aren't being pushed through the system due to government mandate, then I'm all for the free education model. However, if we're pursuing free education just to say that we have a population that just went to school (and consequently didn't learn anything/take away anything from the experience), then we're not doing it right.

[Camazotz]

It's simple: If I, as a tax payer, can see that kids are graduating at a high rate and that they aren't being pushed through the system due to government mandate, then I'm all for the free education model. However, if we're pursuing free education just to say that we have a population that just went to school (and consequently didn't learn anything/take away anything from the experience), then we're not doing it right.

I could not agree more with this quote. This is exactly how I feel about free education, which should obviously include people of different backgrounds.

[Stronk Serb]

It depends on the quality of it. In Serbian schools aside from the classes teaching too much and forcing you to study and memorize 130% of what you just learned, there is a really large bullying problem. If you report anyone, the school will literally anounce your name on the intercom and every bully will bully you. You have to solve poblms with your fists here. If I go to a public school for which I pay taxes, I want it to provide good education and protection from bullying.

[Cicero]

It should cost something like $1,000 a year per student, then at least they're making a small profit to enhance the duration at least a bit.

[Southside]

It should be free all the way through college, they always say "Go to college! It's the only way you'll be something" yet they never say how its expensive for most people and leaves plenty of people in debt. High quality education should cost, like going to Yale or something like that.... Education is not equal in America, if a inner city school has no gym, no A/C, crumbling floors & roof and old books compared to a suburban school that has everything and more is that equal?

[Jess]

Yes, it should be free regardless of gender, religion, sexual orientation etc.

[Green Arrow]

Of course Education should be free. Only us humans could capitlise on something as basic as knowledge.

[Sugaree]

It should cost something like $1,000 a year per student, then at least they're making a small profit to enhance the duration at least a bit.

But why does profit matter? If they're already running on the government dime, profit isn't any concern at all.

[superstarB]

I think public schools should be free (as they currently are) and private schools payed (as they currently are) if a student or his/her parents want something different, I go to private school. Taxes pay for public schools, however it does not guarantee that they will be of the best quality.

Public school isn't necessarily free since its from tax paying money

[Silicate Wielder]

Yes, i'm low-class and the only reason I might be able to go to college is because i'm 1/4 Native American, i'm lucky but it's umfair to those who don't have the advantage I do.

[likemike]

I don't think it should be free.

[britishboy]

I don't think it should be free.

and whys that? you have the option to go private if you want and many do

[Human]

Everyone should be able to go to public schools like mine and get education until they're 16 or 18 to prepare them for life...

[tovaris]

Everyone should be able to go to public schools like mine and get education until they're 16 or 18 to prepare them for life...

How about universetie?

[Human]

How about universetie?

I also think universities should be free to go to, or at least a smaller charge than what there is now.

[Ajmichael]

Education should be free i.e. paid for out of taxes by the state. This allows people from all social classes to access education that will bring them to the same level i.e. educated enough to perform any basic job and to live. Private schools are fee-paying and should be for those who can afford to spend more on education so that the child gets ore out of being in school. Not nessecarily better academically, but the environment provided by a private school is usually more 'rounded' than one provided by a state school.

Universities on the other hand should not be free. Universities have always been places where people have to work hard to get the degree and must have the ability to understand the subject, thus allowing them to take on specialist roles that could not be filled by someone with a basic level of education. Start letting everyone into university and the concept of a degree becomes meaningless, as the course would then have to be made easier so that those who struggle with it can still come out with a degree.

[Luke257]

I believe that education should be free all the way through college.
If the US didn't spend over half the budget on our military, it might be possible for the US to have a free education system through college.

That is exactly how I feel of education. :yes:

[jayyy-lmao]

Yes. Think how much better the world would be if everyone was educated.

[tovaris]

Education should be free i.e. paid for out of taxes by the state. This allows people from all social classes to access education that will bring them to the same level i.e. educated enough to perform any basic job and to live. Private schools are fee-paying and should be for those who can afford to spend more on education so that the child gets ore out of being in school. Not nessecarily better academically, but the environment provided by a private school is usually more 'rounded' than one provided by a state school.

Universities on the other hand should not be free. Universities have always been places where people have to work hard to get the degree and must have the ability to understand the subject, thus allowing them to take on specialist roles that could not be filled by someone with a basic level of education. Start letting everyone into university and the concept of a degree becomes meaningless, as the course would then have to be made easier so that those who struggle with it can still come out with a degree.

Education still would not be free in that case since we have to pay taxes into the state. Also, I guarantee that taxes would rise for that, so that would not be the best way, imo.



I agree with that.

Here universeties are free but you have to be sucsefull enouth in your previous education to get in, some even require special tests.
What do you think about that?

[WaffleSingSong]

Of course they should be, If both public schools and college/universities simply have people to pay a fee to go to there schools, depending on the price, discriminates lower social classes. If everyone had the possibly to get a great (if there is) education I think this would really not only get people educated, but also to help our economy as people have the ability to get more advanced jobs, hopefully so that all of our "U.S" scientists are actually American and not from Far East Asia or Western Europe, for an example. Also, it would help with strengthening the middle class, which is waning right now as we speak. A lot of the super-duper-ultra-mega upper class do not want such an education to be available for everybody because they know that an education for everybody is going to be the dagger in the heart for there hold in the U.S.A, and that will be the start for America to get on the right track that we have been railing off of.

And for the people saying that "I will not pay my tax dollars on "free" education," It is something that actually would pay for itself, guiding the fact if the education that they get is the kind that they should be getting.

[Ajmichael]

Here universeties are free but you have to be sucsefull enouth in your previous education to get in, some even require special tests.
What do you think about that?


That's fine, because you still have the seperation between those who can, and those who can't... Here, the universities do a lot of reaserch which the fees pay for, as well as grants and tuition and things.

[badthoughts]

Education should be free i.e. paid for out of taxes by the state.
Education still would not be free in that case since we have to pay taxes into the state. Also, I guarantee that taxes would rise for that, so that would not be the best way, imo.


Universities on the other hand should not be free...Start letting everyone into university and the concept of a degree becomes meaningless
I agree with that.

[Ajmichael]

Education still would not be free in that case since we have to pay taxes into the state. Also, I guarantee that taxes would rise for that, so that would not be the best way, imo.


I can only speak for Britain here, but education up until age 18 in the UK is already paid for out of taxes, so there would be no need for a rise. Unless of course you go into private education...

[Stronk Serb]

Here universeties are free but you have to be sucsefull enouth in your previous education to get in, some even require special tests.
What do you think about that?

That's true for state universities. For private universities here, let's say that you can get a decree after 3 days of attending the private university.

[likemike]

and whys that? you have the option to go private if you want and many do
It will force people to take their education more seriously. Nobody likes wasting money right? So if your parents paid for you to go and you're acting up in class and/or failing most likely they will force you to get your self back on track. Also some public schools are ridiculously outdated. In my old scool every student had a laptop they checked out for the year. Where i am now they don't even have a computer lab. The cost wouldn't be very much just enough so the school would not have to charge a crazy amout for everything. A dollar for everyday a library book is over due? Ten dollars to rent a lock for your locker, ten more if you lose it.

[tovaris]

Interesting.

[QuantumPhysics]

Quote: Everyone has the right to be educated
-Universal Act Of HUMAN Rights
I'm half african. If I had lived in africa i would of not had the education I have had. That thought makes me sad. Luckily I live in England where eduaction is almost completely free!

[britishboy]

you think Cambridge and Oxford should be free?!?!

[sqishy]

The answer I say, as Terrence would say in Yes Man, is

YES.


Why should you pay to get you basic living conditions set?

[Stronk Serb]

you think Cambridge and Oxford should be free?!?!

YES! There should be special tests, and if you pass them, you are in.

[britishboy]

YES! There should be special tests, and if you pass them, you are in.

no, you pay for quality

[Harry Smith]

no, you pay for quality

Not really, up until the 1980's university was free for everyone

[britishboy]

Not really, up until the 1980's university was free for everyone

so? the top universities in the world are a privilege and like all others must be paid for, theyre not expensive and just a hassle making them free and the universities must turn a profit

[tovaris]

so? the top universities in the world are a privilege and like all others must be paid for, theyre not expensive and just a hassle making them free and the universities must turn a profit

Unoverseties are not ment to turn profit.... what os wrong with you?
Unoversities are and should stay FREE!
If you studie enouth and have good enouth grades you will be able to go to the bes unoverseties, if not fizikal laborors are in deficit.

YES! There should be special tests, and if you pass them, you are in.

[Harry Smith]

so? the top universities in the world are a privilege and like all others must be paid for, theyre not expensive and just a hassle making them free and the universities must turn a profit

Universities must not in fact turn a profit, the only one in the UK which is profit ran is the university of law. They are expensive, there very expensive especially if your studying in London where your going to have to be paying about 12,000 a year to study.

How is it a hassle making them free? If anything it's the complete opposite but sure let's use mindless rhetoric

[britishboy]

Universities must not in fact turn a profit, the only one in the UK which is profit ran is the university of law. They are expensive, there very expensive especially if your studying in London where your going to have to be paying about 12,000 a year to study.

How is it a hassle making them free? If anything it's the complete opposite but sure let's use mindless rhetoric

interesting... I was under the impression they made profit

anyway 12k is nothing, you get a degree that sets you for life

it is a hassle, they would be tax funded so taxes will rise, very unwanted and who gets in then? universities are not like state school

[Harry Smith]

interesting... I was under the impression they made profit

anyway 12k is nothing, you get a degree that sets you for life

it is a hassle, they would be tax funded so taxes will rise, very unwanted and who gets in then? universities are not like state school

Damn State Schools! You know that in the last 60 year's only two of our prime ministers have been to public school- don't bash something which provides just a good service.

12K isn't nothing- that's just wrong- most courses last for 3 years. Not everyone in Britain has 36 thousand pounds sitting around, higher education shouldn't be exclusive to the rich.

A degree is for life, just as GCSE's and A levels are,

[Tarannosaurus]

so? the top universities in the world are a privilege and like all others must be paid for, theyre not expensive and just a hassle making them free and the universities must turn a profit


no, you pay for quality

Not necessarily there are a few Irish universities in the top universities and they are free, except for a small registration fee. In my opinion all universities should be free.
Just because someone has rich parents doesn't mean they should get a better education.

12K isn't nothing- that's just wrong- most courses last for 3 years. Not everyone in Britain has 36 thousand pounds sitting around, higher education shouldn't be exclusive to the rich.
Yes, especially if there are several children in a family.

[tovaris]

interesting... I was under the impression they made profit

anyway 12k is nothing, you get a degree that sets you for life

it is a hassle, they would be tax funded so taxes will rise, very unwanted and who gets in then? universities are not like state school

Do you have any idea how much money 12 000 £ is!! Thats 13 976.5234 € !!! If you alredy have a unoversety degre and a good jop you would work for ower a year...
Why would a unoversety make profit? Their purpos is to educate...

[Stronk Serb]

no, you pay for quality

So, just because my parents are not making enough money means I cannot attend a good university even though I have good grades and study a lot, but some rich imbecile can attend that same university because his daddy has a lot of money? Give me a break, it's because of those practices that our development as the human race is slower.

[britishboy]

So, just because my parents are not making enough money means I cannot attend a good university even though I have good grades and study a lot, but some rich imbecile can attend that same university because his daddy has a lot of money? Give me a break, it's because of those practices that our development as the human race is slower.
first of all 'imberseals' don't get into any universities secondly, get a loan or a sponsorship to pay for it
Do you have any idea how much money 12 000 £ is!! Thats 13 976.5234 € !!! If you alredy have a unoversety degre and a good jop you would work for ower a year...
Why would a unoversety make profit? Their purpos is to educate...
its nothing compared to the skills you gain, very good value for money
Not necessarily there are a few Irish universities in the top universities and they are free, except for a small registration fee. In my opinion all universities should be free.
Just because someone has rich parents doesn't mean they should get a better education.


Yes, especially if there are several children in a family.
im assuming you would also remove fee paying schools then?
Damn State Schools! You know that in the last 60 year's only two of our prime ministers have been to public school- don't bash something which provides just a good service.

12K isn't nothing- that's just wrong- most courses last for 3 years. Not everyone in Britain has 36 thousand pounds sitting around, higher education shouldn't be exclusive to the rich.

A degree is for life, just as GCSE's and A levels are,
its not exclusive to the rich! people immigrate, get loans and get people to pay it for them (the Royal Navy for example) everyone always hates the rich but the fact is it's not done on money but on skill, many get regected

[Tarannosaurus]

first of all 'imberseals' don't get into any universities secondly, get a loan or a sponsorship to pay for it

its nothing compared to the skills you gain, very good value for money

im assuming you would also remove fee paying schools then?

its not exclusive to the rich! people immigrate, get loans and get people to pay it for them (the Royal Navy for example) everyone always hates the rich but the fact is it's not done on money but on skill, many get regected

Yes, I would remove fee paying schools.
You keep saying 'get a loan' what you're forgetting is loans have to be repaid and interest is added.
University does not guarantee a job, in fact many university students are working far below their qualifications. This especially applies to humanities students. Some can't get jobs at all. Now tell me, how is an unemployed student going to pay off a 36k loan with interest?

[Harry Smith]

first of all 'imberseals' don't get into any universities secondly, get a loan or a sponsorship to pay for it

its nothing compared to the skills you gain, very good value for money

im assuming you would also remove fee paying schools then?

its not exclusive to the rich! people immigrate, get loans and get people to pay it for them (the Royal Navy for example) everyone always hates the rich but the fact is it's not done on money but on skill, many get regected

'Everyone hates the rich'- that's untrue- please retract this.

Maybe some people on this site aren't a big fan of people who claim to be rich because they act like a snob- but us filthy state school kids don't know anyone!

The Royal navy only pay if you then sign up to 6 years of service, not everyone wants to join the armed forces.

It's actually done on influence, you've got people getting 4 A* and not getting into Russel Group universities.

The Bottom line is that many students will be in at least £27,000 debt before they have a job or house. That's just not right

[tovaris]

first of all 'imberseals' don't get into any universities


Operently they can, it they have money ofcorse.


secondly, get a loan or a sponsorship to pay for it


You cant get a loan without a job, even with a job its almost imposible. Why should people pay for something that should be free EDUCATON!


its nothing compared to the skills you gain, very good value for money


Doyou have any odea how much such a loan costs?
And if you dont have a job you CANT get a loan.


its not exclusive to the rich! people immigrate, get loans and get people to pay it for them (the Royal Navy for example) everyone always hates the rich but the fact is it's not done on money but on skill, many get regected


You cant get a lpan without a job.
People wery rarely imigrate. People dont like to move.
So people should sacrifise their life to The army and studie only to be sent to afganistan. PUJ!
No the rich think everione hates them... You do alredy get into universety based on skill (grades in high school etc...) Why would one need to pay for basic education.


remove fee paying schools then?


Education should not be for sale! Education should be FREE!

[Stronk Serb]

first of all 'imberseals' don't get into any universities secondly, get a loan or a sponsorship to pay for it

Why would you capitalize on something which should be a basic human right? Why would I go and take a loan which will put me in debt for life, or go lick someone's ass so that I can get a sponsorship? And yes, imbeciles with rich parents occasionally go to prestigious universities.

[Walter Powers]

'Everyone hates the rich'- that's untrue- please retract this.

Maybe some people on this site aren't a big fan of people who claim to be rich because they act like a snob- but us filthy state school kids don't know anyone!

The Royal navy only pay if you then sign up to 6 years of service, not everyone wants to join the armed forces.

It's actually done on influence, you've got people getting 4 A* and not getting into Russel Group universities.

The Bottom line is that many students will be in at least £27,000 debt before they have a job or house. That's just not right

Your right, that's not right.

But what you are failing to understand is when you add more government assistance programs to the books, demand for colleges increases, as more people can go (obviously). So, colleges end up raising tuition because they can due to the increased demand. Then suddenly college is even more unaffordable.

And who ends up losingbecause of this, ultimately? It's the students of the middle class. The poor have the extra scholarships and assistance to help them out, the rich are, well rich, so they can still afford it, but middle class students posess neither assistance nor tons of assets. This makes paying for college very difficult.

The solution isn't more government programs. I think we need to implement policies that increase competition between colleges.

[Tarannosaurus]

Your right, that's not right.

But what you are failing to understand is when you add more government assistance programs to the books, demand for colleges increases, as more people can go (obviously). So, colleges end up raising tuition because they can due to the increased demand. Then suddenly college is even more unaffordable.

And who ends up losingbecause of this, ultimately? It's the students of the middle class. The poor have the extra scholarships and assistance to help them out, the rich are, well rich, so they can still afford it, but middle class students posess neither assistance nor tons of assets. This makes paying for college very difficult.

The solution isn't more government programs. I think we need to implement polvies that increase competition between colleges.

Maybe more government assistance wouldn't work but where I live there is no tuition fee in the first place.

[Walter Powers]

Maybe more government assistance wouldn't work but where I live there is no tuition fee in the first place.

Yes, but the Irish colleges aren't the envy of the world :p

[Tarannosaurus]

Yes, but the Irish colleges aren't the envy of the world :p

That's true but some are actually thought quite highly of, like Trinity college which I think in is something like the top 60 (I'm not just being biased :P ). But Scandinavian universities are free too and they're very highly thought of.

[Harry Smith]

Your right, that's not right.

But what you are failing to understand is when you add more government assistance programs to the books, demand for colleges increases, as more people can go (obviously). So, colleges end up raising tuition because they can due to the increased demand. Then suddenly college is even more unaffordable.

And who ends up losingbecause of this, ultimately? It's the students of the middle class. The poor have the extra scholarships and assistance to help them out, the rich are, well rich, so they can still afford it, but middle class students posess neither assistance nor tons of assets. This makes paying for college very difficult.

The solution isn't more government programs. I think we need to implement policies that increase competition between colleges.

The US model is very different to one in the UK because over here we had about 100 years of university being simply free- the universities still had the power them-self to refuse people applications based on their grades or personal skills. The current system in the UK only benefits the rich because their is zero help from the government

[tovaris]

Your right, that's not right.

But what you are failing to understand is when you add more government assistance programs to the books, demand for colleges increases, as more people can go (obviously). So, colleges end up raising tuition because they can due to the increased demand. Then suddenly college is even more unaffordable.

And who ends up losingbecause of this, ultimately? It's the students of the middle class. The poor have the extra scholarships and assistance to help them out, the rich are, well rich, so they can still afford it, but middle class students posess neither assistance nor tons of assets. This makes paying for college very difficult.

The solution isn't more government programs. I think we need to implement policies that increase competition between colleges.

Universety is alredy free for so called "regural" stdie. The number of students is limited by the universety that choses a certan number of the best aplicants.
At leest here.

[tovaris]

How do i properly bump this thing?

[rogoshtalmour]

Education is free. You can learn practically anything you want any time you want. There are free libraries, obviously you can get online and learn many things. Now do I think there should be free institutionalized education well ....no not really. I mean teachers should get paid and it takes money to buy buildings, books, etc all the things needed for a school. None of that actually comes free. Someone somewhere is paying for it whether its privately funded or taxpayer funded its still not really free.