WW2 aftermath...

[tovaris]

Do you think the axis powers were punished enouth? Should Germany have been turned into a pasture (the soviets were weary thural with this idea), should they have been crippled totally and forced to pay compensation for what they did to this day?

[britishboy]

no after all were allies today

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

They've paid billions of Euros as reparations, and they've got a lot more to go. They won't be done paying off for at least another decade. That's harsh enough.

What Hitler and the Nazis did was horrible, but doing the same to Germany wouldn't bring the rest of Europe to how it was before.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1994-041-07%2C_Dresden%2C_zerst%C3%B6rtes_Stadtzentrum.jpg

http://contemporaryhistoryusj.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/bombing-of-dresden.gif

The thousands of people who died in the bombing of Dresden weren't responsible for Hitler's madness. Doing that a hundred times over would have been just as bad as what the Nazis did.

[Harry Smith]

Nope, we needed Germany in the Cold war. Look what happened after WW1 when we punished Germany

[britishboy]

it should also be noted that britian killed more German civilians by bomb then the germans killed British civilians by bomb and we have paid nothing, and should modern Germany pay for a basterd and dictator Adolf Hitler

[britishboy]

Nope, we needed Germany in the Cold war. Look what happened after WW1 when we punished Germany

and it actually sparked ww2

[Human]

Germany have paid billions to us in damages...
Germany today is a great country, it's powerful and has bailed out poorer countries of economic problems so I think it's 'made up'.

[Stronk Serb]

Nope, we needed Germany in the Cold war. Look what happened after WW1 when we punished Germany

WWII could have been more easily won if the French and British politicians haven't been giving into Hitler's demands. First the Rur basin, Sudet area, Austria...
If you had someone like Winston Churchill who dared to back his words with strength, a lot of casualties could have been avoided. But after giving Hitler the industrial capacities of the first two areas, it was too late. He could start a war, and if he plaid his cards right, he could have won it.

and it actually sparked ww2

No. The upper reply is the answer to your statement also.

it should also be noted that britian killed more German civilians by bomb then the germans killed British civilians by bomb and we have paid nothing, and should modern Germany pay for a basterd and dictator Adolf Hitler

You paid them in some way, by giving supplies, aid and rebuilding (not sure though). The US and the French did the same also.

[britishboy]

WWII could have been more easily won if the French and British politicians haven't been giving into Hitler's demands. First the Rur basin, Sudet area, Austria...
If you had someone like Winston Churchill who dared to back his words with strength, a lot of casualties could have been avoided. But after giving Hitler the industrial capacities of the first two areas, it was too late. He could start a war, and if he plaid his cards right, he could have won it.



No. The upper reply is the answer to your statement also.



You paid them in some way, by giving supplies, aid and rebuilding (not sure though). The US and the French did the same also.

its true we did help do you know about the berlin wall? we had 1 side, the soviets had the other, the soviets put up a wall and enforced communism and it became really bad but good on our side and there are many famous story of escape attempts to get to our side

[tovaris]

its true we did help do you know about the berlin wall? we had 1 side, the soviets had the other, the soviets put up a wall and enforced communism and it became really bad but good on our side and there are many famous story of escape attempts to get to our side

just a fact, the wester alies are responsible for berlin because they refused to demilitarise it, what the ddr did is a diferent story

[tovaris]

They've paid billions of Euros as reparations, and they've got a lot more to go. They won't be done paying off for at least another decade. That's harsh enough.

What Hitler and the Nazis did was horrible, but doing the same to Germany wouldn't bring the rest of Europe to how it was before.

image (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1994-041-07%2C_Dresden%2C_zerst%C3%B6rtes_Stadtzentrum.jpg)

image (http://contemporaryhistoryusj.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/bombing-of-dresden.gif)

The thousands of people who died in the bombing of Dresden weren't responsible for Hitler's madness. Doing that a hundred times over would have been just as bad as what the Nazis did.

The soviets did take their vengance wery literaly dismanteling factories ect... What do you think of that?...

[britishboy]

just a fact, the wester alies are responsible for berlin because they refused to demilitarise it, what the ddr did is a diferent story

what do you mean? are you talking about the berlin wall? because they came in the middle of the night and kept on updating it to stronger models

[tovaris]

what do you mean? are you talking about the berlin wall? because they came in the middle of the night and kept on updating it to stronger models

the DDR-Soviet people did their own thing, but it wouldent have ocured if Berlin was demilitarised on the sides of the alies, the E block offerd that option many times, thats all.

[britishboy]

the DDR-Soviet people did their own thing, but it wouldent have ocured if Berlin was demilitarised on the sides of the alies, the E block offerd that option many times, thats all.

you seem confused

After WW2 germany was divided into 4 zones (British, US, France and the USSR). Berlin was also devided into 4 zones. This became a problem for Russia because berlin was in the USSR (Soviet) zone but it was still divided. France Britian and the US soon merged their zones so germany and Berlin were esensialy split in two.
Anybody who became disatisfied with life in the USSR could travel to berlin and cross over to the west controled side and then go
whereever they wanted. Berlin was an easy way to escape. The wall was built around the soviet contoled portion of berlin to stop the exedous of east germans.
many of those who were "defecting" were members of the inteligensia.

[tovaris]

you seem confused

After WW2 germany was divided into 4 zones (British, US, France and the USSR). Berlin was also devided into 4 zones. This became a problem for Russia because berlin was in the USSR (Soviet) zone but it was still divided. France Britian and the US soon merged their zones so germany and Berlin were esensialy split in two.
Anybody who became disatisfied with life in the USSR could travel to berlin and cross over to the west controled side and then go
whereever they wanted. Berlin was an easy way to escape. The wall was built around the soviet contoled portion of berlin to stop the exedous of east germans.
many of those who were "defecting" were members of the inteligensia.

The wal was a Soviet idea but it was the DDR who realy perfected it(after stalin and right to the 90s the DDR was more Soviet than the USSR).
Anywho the wal was put up because due to the alies Berlin was stil a ,military zone. (ful stop) And the DDR was also born because in the soviets eies the alies took to ling deciding what to do with germany.

[Harry Smith]

The wal was a Soviet idea but it was the DDR who realy perfected it(after stalin and right to the 90s the DDR was more Soviet than the USSR).
Anywho the wal was put up because due to the alies Berlin was stil a ,military zone. (ful stop) And the DDR was also born because in the soviets eies the alies took to ling deciding what to do with germany.

The wall wasn't used as a military target, it was used to keep the civilians in east Berlin. All it would take is a couple of tanks to go through a checkpoint or a rocket launcher to take out the wall. It's sole purpose was to oppress the people of east berlin

[tovaris]

The wall wasn't used as a military target, it was used to keep the civilians in east Berlin. All it would take is a couple of tanks to go through a checkpoint or a rocket launcher to take out the wall. It's sole purpose was to oppress the people of east berlin

I newer mentioned the other behind the seens ploting reasons the DDR had in building it. But it primarely remained there and was legitemised by the fact berlin was a military zone.

[Stronk Serb]

The Western allies have not fullfiled their end of the bargain when the Berlin wall fell and Germany re-united. They also had to remove their military forces out of Germany. There is still an American base in Hamburg which is one of the largest in Europe. There are probably many bases in Germany occupied by western armies.

[Harry Smith]

The Western allies have not fullfiled their end of the bargain when the Berlin wall fell and Germany re-united. They also had to remove their military forces out of Germany. There is still an American base in Hamburg which is one of the largest in Europe.

Germany are in NATO, the Germans want that base to be there.

[britishboy]

The Western allies have not fullfiled their end of the bargain when the Berlin wall fell and Germany re-united. They also had to remove their military forces out of Germany. There is still an American base in Hamburg which is one of the largest in Europe. There are probably many bases in Germany occupied by western armies.

you dont understand Germany is an allie now

[Stronk Serb]

Germany are in NATO, the Germans want that base to be there.
you dont understand Germany is an allie now



Perhaps. But the personell from that base are pobably going to be transferred to Kosovo, since the base there is not paid to our government or the so-called Kosovo government. But East Germany was a very strict country. Too much oppression. You cannot divide a people. But still. It was signed by the US and the former USSR, now the Russian Federation. The Germans could want the base as much as they wanted to, they shouldn't have got it. That is the same now if Serbia wants Kosovo. We are not getting it, and the US already have a strong military presence on land that is technically still ours.

[chargersfan]

Do you think the access powers were punished enouth? Should Germany have been turned into a pasture (the soviets were weary thural with this idea), should they have been crippled totally and forced to pay compensation for what they did to this day?


Axis Powers you mean?
Japan was nuked twice, so I'm pretty sure they got punished plenty. The thing with Germany is that us being to hard on them on the Treaty of Versailles (Which was an end of WW1 Treaty that made them pay Billions in reparations, made it so they couldn't raise an army and had to give up a lot of their land including all of their imperial colonies) That whole treaty caused Germany to be extremely bitter and if it wasn't for the original "Tough" treaty, Hitler probably wouldn't have been able to rise into power.

Japan still isn't allowed to have an offensive army from their treaty in World War 2 by the way.

I think problem the US has had since World War 2 is we try to get involved in every other countries business whether we are wanted or not.

[Cicero]

Russia is also guilty, look at what they did with Berlin and The Iron Curtain, and the Cold War. Hell, even look at how thy backed Hitler 75% of the time. They only changed teams when it was most needed, then basically turned against the allies.

[Stronger]

They've paid billions of Euros as reparations, and they've got a lot more to go. They won't be done paying off for at least another decade. That's harsh enough.

They payed off their reparations in October 2010.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

They payed off their reparations in October 2010.

I think those were the reparations for World War I. They still have to pay off more than 200 million Euros for World War II.

[Stronk Serb]

They payed off their reparations in October 2010.

To whom? I know in Serbia, for every dead German, 100 Serbian civillians would get shot. For every wounded, even if the wound is a small cut, 50 civillians. The Partisans fled to Bosnia, because they were unwelome in Serbia. Not a lot Partisans died. Maybe 100,000, of 2,000,000 million Yugoslav casualties of which 80%-90% were Serbs, be it the old, the young, the weak or normal. In Kragujevac a whole high school including tje teachers and the students was shoot due to the ressistance movements starting in Serbia.

[britishboy]

I think those were the reparations for World War I. They still have to pay off more than 200 million Euros for World War II.

your right
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11442892

[Stronger]

To whom? I know in Serbia, for every dead German, 100 Serbian civillians would get shot. For every wounded, even if the wound is a small cut, 50 civillians. The Partisans fled to Bosnia, because they were unwelome in Serbia. Not a lot Partisans died. Maybe 100,000, of 2,000,000 million Yugoslav casualties of which 80%-90% were Serbs, be it the old, the young, the weak or normal. In Kragujevac a whole high school including tje teachers and the students was shoot due to the ressistance movements starting in Serbia.

What does that have to do anything?

I think those were the reparations for World War I. They still have to pay off more than 200 million Euros for World War II.

West Germany managed to pay that off as well. East Germany struggled but I believe were able to pay off its reparations as well.

[Stronk Serb]

What does that have to do anything?



West Germany managed to pay that off as well. East Germany struggled but I believe were able to pay off its reparations as well.

We recieved no reparations as far as I know.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

To whom? I know in Serbia, for every dead German, 100 Serbian civillians would get shot. For every wounded, even if the wound is a small cut, 50 civillians. The Partisans fled to Bosnia, because they were unwelome in Serbia. Not a lot Partisans died. Maybe 100,000, of 2,000,000 million Yugoslav casualties of which 80%-90% were Serbs, be it the old, the young, the weak or normal. In Kragujevac a whole high school including tje teachers and the students was shoot due to the ressistance movements starting in Serbia.

What are you talking about? Yugoslavia got 36 billion dollars worth of reparations from Germany alone. Not to mention all the other money from Italy, Hungary and Bulgaria.


West Germany managed to pay that off as well. East Germany struggled but I believe were able to pay off its reparations as well.

I guess I could be wrong. Do you have a source for that?

[Stronk Serb]

What are you talking about? Yugoslavia got 36 billion dollars worth of reparations from Germany alone. Not to mention all the other money from Italy, Hungary and Bulgaria.



I guess I could be wrong. Do you have a source for that?

Damn history classes. They teach us irrelevant stuff. They never mentioned the Germans paying us reparations.

[Stronger]

What are you talking about? Yugoslavia got 36 billion dollars worth of reparations from Germany alone. Not to mention all the other money from Italy, Hungary and Bulgaria.



I guess I could be wrong. Do you have a source for that?

Look on Wikipedia.

We recieved no reparations as far as I know.

Damn history classes. They teach us irrelevant stuff. They never mentioned the Germans paying us reparations.

You don't learn any of that in history about the reparations, its not important.

[Stronk Serb]

Look on Wikipedia.





You don't learn any of that in history about the reparations, its not important.


At least they should have taught us that Yugoslavia recieved reparations. Not just putting it out of the teaching plan. The number is not important though.

[Stronger]

At least they should have taught us that Yugoslavia recieved reparations. Not just putting it out of the teaching plan. The number is not important though.

But that isn't important either, the only thing I believe a person learns is Germany was forced to pay reparations post WWI, then stopped when Hitler rose to power, either that is pushing it. The rest you learn more or less from the internet.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Look on Wikipedia.


I did, that's where I got most of the other info too. But I didn't find anything that said Germany finished paying off for World War II. A Google search found some news articles from around the time you're talking about: September-October 2010. Those articles talk about how Germany just finished paying reparations for World War One.

[Stronger]

I did, that's where I got most of the other info too. But I didn't find anything that said Germany finished paying off for World War II. A Google search found some news articles from around the time you're talking about: September-October 2010. Those articles talk about how Germany just finished paying reparations for World War One.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_reparations_for_World_War_II

Second paragraph.

[tundravortex]

well they did get punish and was split for the share with Russia,america,and I think the uk did to but when they got defeated most of the soldiers(not Nazi)got off because they were defending there family too and they were just following orders....getting back on topic they did get punished like I said they got slipt up but we did help out at the berlin wall too so there were both good and bad things