having children

[britishboy]

how important to you is having children? and should this affect marriage after all traditionly you get married to have kids, but with more countries having gay marriage and france having its first gay wedding, is it overrated? I personally really really want kids but some dont, and the main argument against gay marriage is that gays cant have kids, but many straight couples cant or dont want kids, so whats the big deal? and how important is kids in marriage to you?

[Ace of Spades]

Marriage and having children are two different things.

[Cicero]

I want kids so bad. Very much. I wouldn't mind having a kid now actually lol

If my girlfriend never wanted kids, I'd find a new girlfriend it's that important to me.

[britishboy]

I want kids so bad. Very much. I wouldn't mind having a kid now actually lol

If my girlfriend never wanted kids, I'd find a new girlfriend it's that important to me.

I agree the second part not the first... are you insaine?! god your crazy so much partying ahead of us before kids:D but yeah I too want kids really bad

[Cicero]

I agree the second part not the first... are you insaine?! god your crazy so much partying ahead of us before kids:D but yeah I too want kids really bad

Let me add this, I'd only want a kid that comes from me. I would never adopt, no offense. If I weren't fertile (which is a possibility) I would rather have no kids.

[britishboy]

Let me add this, I'd only want a kid that comes from me. I would never adopt, no offense. If I weren't fertile (which is a possibility) I would rather have no kids.

I agree with that, if its not your kid you wont have the father son bond

[Jess]

I never want kids. If I ever get married, which probably won't even happen, I hope my future husband respects that or is okay with it.

[britishboy]

I never want kids. If I ever get married, which probably won't even happen, I hope my future husband respects that or is okay with it.

whys that? AND YES IT WILL HAPPEN! I hate it when people say that everyone will find love:) and is it the pain of giving birth or financial pressure

[Jess]

whys that? AND YES IT WILL HAPPEN! I hate it when people say that everyone will find love:) and is it the pain of giving birth or financial pressure

I want to have a career and don't want motherhood to ruin it. I also have a fear of pregnancy, or at least fear the idea of something growing inside me (and I'm *cough* abstinent). Makes me shudder.

[britishboy]

I want to have a career and don't want motherhood to ruin it. I also have a fear of pregnancy, or at least fear the idea of something growing inside me. Makes me shudder.

yeah alot of girls are concerned about careers and yeah if that was me giving birth I would probably throw up cos I hate blood and stuff like that

[Jess]

I also don't want to get married because I don't think I would make a very good wife. I don't talk a lot and I don't cook very well. I also need to be with someone who wouldn't care that I'm....abstinent. I find it very hard to believe seeing myself having a wedding >_<

[StoppingTime]

Let me add this, I'd only want a kid that comes from me. I would never adopt, no offense. If I weren't fertile (which is a possibility) I would rather have no kids.

Then it's not really the kid and parenthood you want, it's the "hey look that's my kid who's exactly 52.43923894 percent Sicilian and 35.249803 percent Tuscan and so on." I'm not going to argue with you seeing as I think this entire forum knows there's no reason for that, as you'll just repeat the same thing over and over and never consider other opinions. But if you're only looking to have a child so that you can have someone like you (and I'm sorry but I had to laugh when you said you want a kid now. You honestly think you - or basically any teen - could handle that?) then you're in it for just that - not for caring for a child.

[Cicero]

Then it's not really the kid and parenthood you want, it's the "hey look that's my kid who's exactly 52.43923894 percent Sicilian and 35.249803 percent Tuscan and so on." I'm not going to argue with you seeing as I think this entire forum knows there's no reason for that, as you'll just repeat the same thing over and over and never consider other opinions. But if you're only looking to have a child so that you can have someone like you (and I'm sorry but I had to laugh when you said you want a kid now. You honestly think you - or basically any teen - could handle that?) then you're in it for just that - not for caring for a child.

It's not just for the ethnicity, i wouldn't want an Indian, Asian, or black kid. They'd resemble nothing of me (let alone look like me). Which is what most fathers want in their kid. I'd enjoy the fatherhood of my own blood, not someone else's. I'd also want my own blood because some traits may resemble mine, like eye color or personality.

There's no point in argueing with you people cause you never change your mind, which is the point of a debate.

[teen.jpg]

I hate kids. No offense but I'd never make it as a father anyway. Too much pressure.

It's not just for the ethnicity, i wouldn't want an Indian, Asian, or black kid. They'd resemble nothing of me (let alone look like me). Which is what most fathers want in their kid. I'd enjoy the fatherhood of my own blood, not someone else's. I'd also want my own blood because some traits may resemble mine, like eye color or personality.

There's no point in argueing with you people cause you never change your mind, which is the point of a debate.

That's the most ridiculous opinion I've ever heard. But, to each their own, I suppose?


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[Cicero]

That's the most ridiculous opinion I've ever heard. But, to each their own, I suppose?

Not really. Many fathers want their kids to look like them one way or another, or have the same traits such as personality. I have nothing against blacks, whites, Asians, Indians, etc. it's just that its not something I'd want to do if it came to adoption. Not everyone is like Angelina Jolie and her family of all nations lol

[Cygnus]

What is the only goal (and to some extent instinct) of every living individual? To reproduce, I hope that answers your question.

[teen.jpg]

Not really. Many fathers want their kids to look like them one way or another, or have the same traits such as personality. I have nothing against blacks, whites, Asians, Indians, etc. it's just that its not something I'd want to do if it came to adoption. Not everyone is like Angelina Jolie and her family of all nations lol

If you look at a kid and the first thing you think of is their ethnicity, then you're missing the whole point of having children.

[Cicero]

If you look at a kid and the first thing you think of is their ethnicity, then you're missing the whole point of having children.

I don't think of ethnicity. I either think how cute or ugly they are or how they behave. Obviously if you see a kid of color you can't help but notice, or an accent.

[PinkFloyd]

I really don't want kids all that much... I feel like my money could go towards stuff I want like cars and a nice high rise apartment in LA instead of diapers for the first years of a kid's, and then expensive shit when they get older like I am now... I know that sounds selfish, but it's just how I feel..

[teen.jpg]

I don't think of ethnicity. I either think how cute or ugly they are or how they behave. Obviously if you see a kid of color you can't help but notice, or an accent.

It might sound cliche, but no, I really don't. It's not even the first thing I'd notice about someone. It's not important to me. It shouldn't even be important, it's who the person is that matters, not what they look like.

[StoppingTime]

It's not just for the ethnicity, i wouldn't want an Indian, Asian, or black kid.

That's a bit (lack of a better term) xenophobic, no? Why wouldn't you want a child of a different culture/ethnicity?


They'd resemble nothing of me (let alone look like me).


and?

Which is what most fathers want in their kid.

Is it? Or did you just make up that statistic to reaffirm that your beliefs are the "norm."


I'd enjoy the fatherhood of my own blood, not someone else's. I'd also want my own blood because some traits may resemble mine, like eye color or personality.

I guess that's your (incredibly shallow, unchangable) opinion. It's like saying, I'd only date a girl with X color eyes and this kind of personality.


There's no point in argueing with you people cause you never change your mind, which is the point of a debate.

That was a nice way to end it :yes: Unfortunately, I'm not the one who's saying he'll only have kids if they look, feel, and act like him.

[Cicero]

That's a bit (lack of a better term) xenophobic, no? Why wouldn't you want a child of a different culture/ethnicity?




and?



Is it? Or did you just make up that statistic to reaffirm that your beliefs are the "norm."



I guess that's your (incredibly shallow, unchangable) opinion. It's like saying, I'd only date a girl with X color eyes and this kind of personality.



That was a nice way to end it :yes: Unfortunately, I'm not the one who's saying he'll only have kids if they look, feel, and act like him.

I never said that I want them to be a mini me, I'd want them to resemble me in small ways, not big. If I adopted, that kid wouldn't resemble me at all. I don't care if my wife was blonde or brown haired, I find brown or black more attractive though (which I know to you it's horrible I'm more attracted to black or brown haired women). I don't give a shit if its xenophobic or not, when it comes to your family that you want to have, you can choose what you want. This is what I want. If you want a Chinese speaking kid or an Arab speaking kid or a Jew speaking kid, I don't give a shit. That's for you to decide, just how it'd be me to decide whether or not I would have a Jew kid or a Muslim kid or a Chinese kid or a British kid or an African kid. I won't have my kids of different nations to please the world, I won't raise my kids to what the world wants. Ill raise them or pick them based off of what my wife and I would want. If I had an autistic kid or a kid with a serious mental illness, I would advice my wife to abort it, so that kid won't have to live a life of misery having that mental illness, or if my kid was deformed, I would advice my wife to abort it for the same reasons (and maybe a few others, also, when I say abort, I mean we would see whats wrong with tht kid while its in the womb). I know it's hypocritical saying I would abort a baby when I would vote against abortion, but that is why I would go to another country that legalizes abortion.


It might sound cliche, but no, I really don't. It's not even the first thing I'd notice about someone. It's not important to me. It shouldn't even be important, it's who the person is that matters, not what they look like.
It's good there's people like you who don't care about looks. Sadly, I do. If my kid was ugly, id be saddened for them, cause obviously theyd have a harder time in life, if theyre handsome, then good for them. And we're talking about kids, so it'd be hard being an adult and understanding who a person is when were talking about kids. Most adults could give a fuck about some other fathers kid, they'd probably see/notice 3 things, how ugly or handsome the kid or baby is, how the child behaves, and they'd notice skin differences and accents.

[StoppingTime]

(which I know to you it's horrible I'm more attracted to black or brown haired women).


No? but whatever moving on.

I don't give a shit if its xenophobic or not, when it comes to your family that you want to have, you can choose what you want.[/quote]


Good, so you've admitted you're a xenophobe. We're getting somewhere now.

This is what I want. If you want a Chinese speaking kid or an Arab speaking kid or a Jew speaking kid, [fun fact; Jewish people don't speak Jew I don't give a shit. That's for you to decide, just how it'd be me to decide whether or not I would have a Jew kid or a Muslim kid or a Chinese kid or a British kid or an African kid.

Yea, it would be. I just wanted to make sure you knew what that's called.

[Cicero]

No? but whatever moving on.

I don't give a shit if its xenophobic or not, when it comes to your family that you want to have, you can choose what you want.


Good, so you've admitted you're a xenophobe. We're getting somewhere now.



Yea, it would be. I just wanted to make sure you knew what that's called.[/QUOTE]

I never admitted I was. I just said I don't give a fuck if it was xenophobic of me. It's my baby and my wife and my family, not anyone else's. so it's my decision whether or not to have a child with that woman. But I find it funny how you think I'm xenophobic because I'd love having a wife from France, Italy, or England.

[teen.jpg]

It's good there's people like you who don't care about looks. Sadly, I do. If my kid was ugly, id be saddened for them, cause obviously theyd have a harder time in life, if theyre handsome, then good for them. And we're talking about kids, so it'd be hard being an adult and understanding who a person is when were talking about kids. Most adults could give a fuck about some other fathers kid, they'd probably see/notice 3 things, how ugly or handsome the kid or baby is, how the child behaves, and they'd notice skin differences and accents.

How can you sit there and be proud of a post like that?

So you'd dislike your child if they're "ugly" and feel bad for them because they're life "will be harder"? Because it's up to you to dictate who is ugly or not and tell them they're life will be hard?

Really, I don't see how you could be a father :O

[StoppingTime]

It's my baby and my wife and my family, not anyone else's.




waitwaitwait, your wife? You own her? She does what you want?


so it's my decision whether or not to have a child with that woman.


and her decision.

But I find it funny how you think I'm xenophobic because I'd love having a wife from France, Italy, or England.

You're xenophobic because you refuse to accept anyone who isn't your preferred ethnicity.

[CharlieHorse]

I'm not going to get married or have kids.
I've given up on that.

[Cicero]

How can you sit there and be proud of a post like that?

So you'd dislike your child if they're "ugly" and feel bad for them because they're life "will be harder"? Because it's up to you to dictate who is ugly or not and tell them they're life will be hard?

Really, I don't see how you could be a father :O

I never said I'd dislike them. I said I'd feel bad. It's proven ugly people have a harder life. People judge, people would rather have good looking friends or whatever, I'm not saying I'm ugly or beautiful. Just saying the facts. I never said I was proud of that post.

Many people can tell whether or not someone is ugly, yes, I'm very picky about who's ugly or beautiful, but I know when others would think someone is ugly.

waitwaitwait, your wife? You own her? She does what you want?





and her decision.



You're xenophobic because you refuse to accept anyone who isn't your preferred ethnicity.
I don't own her. You take words to literally, it's like when a couple say "My husband", when a wife says "my husband" she doesn't mean she owns him, it just means she's saying my husband, just as a husband would say "My wife". Back to third grade aren't we? :yes:

Cool observation.


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[Mob Boss]

I don't want kids for a few reasons. I know people will automatically assume it's because I'm evil and hate kids. It isn't that at all -- I absolutely adore kids, in fact I want to be a teacher just because of them. There are other reasons I have. I don't think it's a requirement. In fact I think couples get pressured into having children by family, friends, etc. I'll be fine without them.

[teen.jpg]

I never said I'd dislike them. I said I'd feel bad. It's proven ugly people have a harder life. People judge, people would rather have good looking friends or whatever, I'm not saying I'm ugly or beautiful. Just saying the facts. I never said I was proud of that post.

Many people can tell whether or not someone is ugly, yes, I'm very picky about who's ugly or beautiful, but I know when others would think someone is ugly.

That makes me sick. Instead of telling people not to pick on or make "ugly" people feel bad, you give them your PITY? Guess what, nobody wants your pity! You're like the people who would rather teach a kid not to GET bullied, rather then not to bully in the first place.

Your logic is flawed.

[StoppingTime]

I don't own her. You take words too literally, it's like when a couple say "My husband", when a wife says "my husband" she doesn't mean she owns him, it just means she's saying my husband, just as a husband would say "My wife". Back to third grade aren't we? :yes:

Cool observation.

Surely. anyway I think I'm about done here. I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you about things that you don't care to listen to. I'm guessing your next post is going to be along the lines of, "ohh I see you're walking away from a debate, guess my points were better." And if you'd like to think that, all the power to you. I think the rest of the forum will see what it really is, though.

[Cicero]

That makes me sick. Instead of telling people not to pick on or make "ugly" people feel bad, you give them your PITY? Guess what, nobody wants your pity! You're like the people who would rather teach a kid not to GET bullied, rather then not to bully in the first place.

Your logic is flawed.

No, not really.

I'd just hope my son or daughter isn't ugly for the sake of them and their life. As I said, the uglies have life harder, bosses would rather hire a handsome guy or a beautiful girl, not an ugly guy or girl. Most beautiful people are more successful than the ugly people. Bullying is terrible.

My logic isn't flawed, it's fact.

Surely. anyway I think I'm about done here. I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you about things that you don't care to listen to. I'm guessing your next post is going to be along the lines of, "ohh I see you're walking away from a debate, guess my points were better." And if you'd like to think that, all the power to you. I think the rest of the forum will see what it really is, though.

Cya later alligator...


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[teen.jpg]

No, not really.

I'd just hope my son or daughter isn't ugly for the sake of them and their life. As I said, the uglies have life harder, bosses would rather hire a handsome guy or a beautiful girl, not an ugly guy or girl. Most beautiful people are more successful than the ugly people. Bullying is terrible.

My logic isn't flawed, it's fact.

"Oh yeah, just give up on life because I'm not attractive! What's the point, everyone is better looking and has more opportunity then me."

Is that what you want people, hell even your kids, to be like?

[Cicero]

"Oh yeah, just give up on life because I'm not attractive! What's the point, everyone is better looking and has more opportunity then me."

Is that what you want people, hell even your kids, to be like?

No. I'm just stating facts.

When I have kids, I want them to have a therapist so they can accumulate an over the top self confidence, something I definitely have never had. I don't think I'm the ugliest person, but I know I'm not the most handsome or beautiful. Which I would hope to fix, maybe through plastic surgery or what not.

[Camazotz]

Parenting isn't for everyone; it requires a lot of sacrifice (financially and emotionally) to be able to properly care for a child. I wouldn't expect many people at your ages to want this responsibility (at least not yet). Is it selfish? Yes and no; obviously you're not ready to take care of a child, and acknowledging that is a selfless move since you're thinking about the child (as opposed to the stereotypical dumb teenager that tries to raise a kid which turns out miserably). But to put it out of the question without feeling true, intense love (which probably won't happen for many years for most of you) and a passion for starting a family would be close-minded.

As for the Steven/Jayson vs. Cicero debate, I think it's obvious that I find Cicero's inability to feel true compassion for a child that isn't "up to his standards" extremely disturbing considering he wants to be a "father." I think his strong focus on being exactly right as opposed to wanting to love a child just to be a good father is completely wrong and ignorant, and I personally hope he never has a child unless his attitude changes.

Cicero is borderline obsessed with controlling exactly what his "children" (or should I say super-humans/experiments) are like. If they're not built to his standard (over-confidence, specific race, etc.) they're inferior and worthy of pity as opposed to having worth like a normal human being.

I sincerely hope, for a child's or woman's sake, that Cicero never has a family; it seems like they would be oppressed and miserable by his manipulative nature. Maybe I should feel sorry that this probably resulted from abusive experiences in his past, but truth be told, it doesn't excuse anything.

[teen.jpg]

Parenting isn't for everyone; it requires a lot of sacrifice (financially and emotionally) to be able to properly care for a child. I wouldn't expect many people at your ages to want this responsibility (at least not yet). Is it selfish? Yes and no; obviously you're not ready to take care of a child, and acknowledging that is a selfless move since you're thinking about the child (as opposed to the stereotypical dumb teenager that tries to raise a kid which turns out miserably). But to put it out of the question without feeling true, intense love (which probably won't happen for many years for most of you) and a passion for starting a family would be close-minded.

As for the Steven/Jayson vs. Cicero debate, I think it's obvious that I find Cicero's inability to feel true compassion for a child that isn't "up to his standards" extremely disturbing considering he wants to be a "father." I think his strong focus on being exactly right as opposed to wanting to love a child just to be a good father is completely wrong and ignorant, and I personally hope he never has a child unless his attitude changes.

Cicero is borderline obsessed with controlling exactly what his "children" (or should I say super-humans/experiments) are like. If they're not built to his standard (over-confidence, specific race, etc.) they're inferior and worthy of pity as opposed to having worth like a normal human being.

I sincerely hope, for a child's or woman's sake, that Cicero never has a family; it seems like they would be oppressed and miserable by his manipulative nature. Maybe I should feel sorry that this probably resulted from abusive experiences in his past, but truth be told, it doesn't excuse anything.

-slow claps- That about sums it up ...

[Jevon]

Well for me I don't really want a kid but then there is part of me that really wants a kid or two but I'm just not sure

[Cicero]

"Oh yeah, just give up on life because I'm not attractive! What's the point, everyone is better looking and has more opportunity then me."

Is that what you want people, hell even your kids, to be like?

Oh, I also want to make it clear that I don't really care about looks when it comes to be nice or being friends. I have a few moderately ugly friends. But that doesn't stop me from being nice.

I just want to make it clear to everyone, that all I'm saying is that the world judges based off of looks. Everyone of us judge based off of looks, whether its small or a lot. We all judge. Those who are ugly don't get as far or the odds are against them vs those who are beautiful.

I don't advocate bullying and I hate it, I too am a victim of bullying. But I'm also honest enough with myself to know that the world judges looks, I'm the the moot handsome nor the most ugly. I'm not claiming to be the best looking guy in the world or the ugliest. I'm average. Nothing special about me.

I just hope my kids are beautiful, any father hopes their kids are the best at everything, including looks. No father says "Damn, I hope my kids are ugly as fuck!", most fathers hope their kids aren't ugly.

That's how I feel. So now no one can mistranslated what I say

[teen.jpg]

Oh, I also want to make it clear that I don't really care about looks when it comes to be nice or being friends. I have a few moderately ugly friends. But that doesn't stop me from being nice.

I just want to make it clear to everyone, that all I'm saying is that the world judges based off of looks. Everyone of us judge based off of looks, whether its small or a lot. We all judge. Those who are ugly don't get as far or the odds are against them vs those who are beautiful.

I don't advocate bullying and I hate it, I too am a victim of bullying. But I'm also honest enough with myself to know that the world judges looks, I'm the the moot handsome nor the most ugly. I'm not claiming to be the best looking guy in the world or the ugliest. I'm average. Nothing special about me.

I just hope my kids are beautiful, any father hopes their kids are the best at everything, including looks. No father says "Damn, I hope my kids are ugly as fuck!", most fathers hope their kids aren't ugly.

That's how I feel. So now no one can mistranslated what I say

That's not an excuse. Yeah, I do it because everyone else does it? So I should murder people because others do it, right?

No, of course not. You don't do something you apparently disagree with because "everyone does it". That's ridiculous.

[Cicero]

That's not an excuse. Yeah, I do it because everyone else does it? So I should murder people because others do it, right?

No, of course not. You don't do something you apparently disagree with because "everyone does it". That's ridiculous.

No. I was just saying that everyone does it to a degree, you do, I do, we all do. It's human nature.

[riverboy]

I really don't want kids all that much... I feel like my money could go towards stuff I want like cars and a nice high rise apartment in LA instead of diapers for the first years of a kid's, and then expensive shit when they get older like I am now... I know that sounds selfish, but it's just how I feel..

I agree. Maybe not the apartment in LA.

[PinkFloyd]

I agree. Maybe not the apartment in LA.

I love Southern California!

[BebeFleur.]

I really would like to have children...obviously not NOW but eventually. :) I want to adopt. I mean, 9 months of misery is not up my alley, besides, I'd like to help a child. :) And young, young babies are not my thing (like under 1 year).

If my boyfriend isn't on the same page, forget it. This happened with my mother. She wanted multiple children, my dad said my be, and now she is upset. She loves me all, but she wishes things had ended up better.

I am completely pro adoption. I don't care what ethnicity the child is. My parents are both white and I'm Chinese, but I survived.

[Bethany]

I don't want any kids, ever, and I really do hope my opinion on this never changes. I've got a career planned that I'm too enthusiastic about to give up, and after all, I want to spend any money I have on plane tickets and travel, not on diapers. Besides, having kids is such a gamble - I don't think I could deal with a child who wasn't of above-average intelligence and curious about cultures, the world, and politics. As I can't imagine myself being able to love a child unconditionally, I choose not to have children. Perhaps this viewpoint will change when I meet someone I truly love, but hopefully/perhaps not. Besides, I don't have a compatible personality for raising children.

[Sugaree]

I really don't want kids all that much... I feel like my money could go towards stuff I want like cars and a nice high rise apartment in LA instead of diapers for the first years of a kid's, and then expensive shit when they get older like I am now... I know that sounds selfish, but it's just how I feel..

Yes, that is selfish. I would say you should feel ashamed for wanting to put your needs before your own children, but there's alternatives. You might not be able to get a nice house or a nice car, but having a child isn't a largely financial decision either.

[Stronk Serb]

No, not really.

I'd just hope my son or daughter isn't ugly for the sake of them and their life. As I said, the uglies have life harder, bosses would rather hire a handsome guy or a beautiful girl, not an ugly guy or girl. Most beautiful people are more successful than the ugly people. Bullying is terrible.

My logic isn't flawed, it's fact.



Cya later alligator...


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It is flawed. Instead of teaching people that bullying and hirring based on physical looks is bad, you choose to bow your head and succumb to the masses. And Sicilian peiple, especially those from the east side have Greek blood in them. Sicily was partially a Greek colony mio amico. The same thing can be said for south Italy. So if you want your kid to be 100% Italian, you better try the parts a bit north.

[Cicero]

It is flawed. Instead of teaching people that bullying and hirring based on physical looks is bad, you choose to bow your head and succumb to the masses. And Sicilian peiple, especially those from the east side have Greek blood in them. Sicily was partially a Greek colony mio amico. The same thing can be said for south Italy. So if you want your kid to be 100% Italian, you better try the parts a bit north.

I'm teaching no one that bullying is good. I specifically said it was bad. What can be said about south Italy?

[Stronk Serb]

Children? Seeing myself in the army in 10 years, probably no. My wife woud have to do everything. I do not want to put that much pressure on her. I would try to find an alternative. If she wants to and is fully aware that I might not be even able to be there when I am needed due to my job, then I see no harm in it. Although I would probably be a bit harsh on the children (wake up time; time spent out etc.). And I would probably be harsh about the tidyness of their rooms. All of that would be because I would get used to training recruits, which is one of the duties of a petty officer in the Army of Serbia.

[Stronk Serb]

I'm teaching no one that bullying is good. I specifically said it was bad. What can be said about south Italy?



That people there have Greek blood since it was a Greek colony.

[Cicero]

That people there have Greek blood since it was a Greek colony.

Ok, what about Greek blood?

[Stronk Serb]

Ok, what about Greek blood?

You said you want a 80%-100% Italian kid. You better choose from more north parts of Italy. The thing that same ethnocity will make your child resemble you more is bull.

[Left Now]

He he!I like kids!
They are cute and can affect our lives very much!

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I love kids, but I know that I'm incapable of taking care of one now. Same goes for any other teen who wants to have a kid at this age. Some of us are more responsible than others, but no one is mature enough to have kids. That's a huge commitment.

I'd like to have kids eventually. I don't plan on having any in the next 10 years or so, though. First I want to have a career, which would ultimately benefit the child's needs as well.

If, God forbid, either me or my husband can't have kids, I have nothing against adoption. I wouldn't care if the kid is black, white, or Asian. I'd love it all the same.

[Ryhanna]

I want to be a father some day. Not for a long time, though.

Marriage isn't that important to me.

[Fanta_Lover44]

It's important to me, I want that kind of lifestyle and have been always thinking about it.

[PinkFloyd]

Yes, that is selfish. I would say you should feel ashamed for wanting to put your needs before your own children, but there's alternatives. You might not be able to get a nice house or a nice car, but having a child isn't a largely financial decision either.

How am I putting my wants before my own children? They don't even exist... I just don't plan to have kids... It's not like I got my girlfriend pregnant, and she's getting an abortion because I don't want to raise the baby. That would be selfish on my part. As I said before, I have 1 brother, and over 12 cousins around my age It's just that I have a huge family, and it's not a big deal if I don't decide to have kids. Again, it's not like I'm denying anyone a life.

[TheDeepestDepths]

I've always wanted children, since before I was a teenager. Don't get me wrong, I just turned 19 - I don't want them for another 10 years or so.

I wouldn't care what they looked like, what their sexual orientation was or anything like that. I would never love a child less for being different to what society wants them to be, but I would worry simply because they will have a harder life than I would have had. Every parent wants the easiest life for their child possible.

Ideally I would prefer my own kids, from my womb, sharing my partners DNA. I want to have loved any child of mine all it's existence and know that they have never been unloved. But if for any reason that is not possible I would quite readily accept adoption or artificial insemination. I think I would only be able to adopt a baby though, not an older child simply because I don't think I would be able to do right by a child who comes with the problems and issues that many children have if they're being adopted when older. It's not that I wouldn't want or love a child with problems, it's just that I don't think I'd be an ideal mother to them. It's for this reason that I could never foster.

On a slightly related note, if I got pregnant now, and for some reason wasn't able to keep the baby or thought it would have a far better life with other people as its parents I could never adopt to family or family friends. To see my child grow up and be nurtured and taught by someone else knowing I'm thinking "what if?". It would be far too hard for me and unfair on the child.

Anyway, despite wanting children more than anything else, I wouldn't and couldn't judge anyone else for not wanting them. They are an enormous responsibility and cost massive amounts of money and time. And there are some people who believe they're just not the parenting type. And that's fine.

[britishboy]

alright another question on topic how important is a childs sexuality? personally I want them to be straight as they suffer less from bullying and I think it would ve harder to build a relationship with them

[Jess]

alright another question on topic how important is a childs sexuality? personally I want them to be straight as they suffer less from bullying and I think it would ve harder to build a relationship with them

If I ever have kids, if my daughter told me she was lesbian and likes girls, or my son told me he likes boys I would be totally fine with it. I would worry about them getting bullied but I would try to get them to tell a teacher if it gets too far. And maybe try to ignore the bullying...

[britishboy]

If I ever have kids, if my daughter told me she was lesbian and likes girls, or my son told me he likes boys I would be totally fine with it. I would worry about them getting bullied but I would try to get them to tell a teacher if it gets too far. And maybe try to ignore the bullying...

I would still rather them be straight, remove the stress and wurry and have a normal family relationship but yeah I would still look after my children if they turned gay

[Guillermo]

Yes, that is selfish. I would say you should feel ashamed for wanting to put your needs before your own children, but there's alternatives. You might not be able to get a nice house or a nice car, but having a child isn't a largely financial decision either.

This selfishness is what defines the developed world now. Why would I want the burden of raising a child when I can spend my own money on myself and maybe a spouse? Hell, I would rather buy a nice car or house or travel around the world than raise a child. And most everyone else would agree with me in these (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Map_of_First_World_Countries.svg) countries as well (hence why fertility rates are below replaceable rates in ALL of these countries).

[TheDeepestDepths]

I really don't want kids all that much... I feel like my money could go towards stuff I want like cars and a nice high rise apartment in LA instead of diapers for the first years of a kid's, and then expensive shit when they get older like I am now... I know that sounds selfish, but it's just how I feel..

Yes, that is selfish. I would say you should feel ashamed for wanting to put your needs before your own children, but there's alternatives. You might not be able to get a nice house or a nice car, but having a child isn't a largely financial decision either.

This selfishness is what defines the developed world now. Why would I want the burden of raising a child when I can spend my own money on myself and maybe a spouse? Hell, I would rather buy a nice car or house or travel around the world than raise a child. And most everyone else would agree with me in these (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Map_of_First_World_Countries.svg) countries as well (hence why fertility rates are below replaceable rates in ALL of these countries).

I don't understand what angle you are coming from. Why it is selfish, when you do not want kids, to spend money on yourself? It would be another thing if he had kids and neglected them in favour of himself, but he doesn't even want kids; he's not going to have them! Having children is not the be all end all in someone's life.

[Cicero]

You said you want a 80%-100% Italian kid. You better choose from more north parts of Italy. The thing that same ethnocity will make your child resemble you more is bull.

Why north? We're from the south.

[PinkFloyd]

I don't understand what angle you are coming from. Why it is selfish, when you do not want kids, to spend money on yourself? It would be another thing if he had kids and neglected them in favour of himself, but he doesn't even want kids; he's not going to have them! Having children is not the be all end all in someone's life.

Yeah, now that you mention it, That's not selfish at all! I guess you're right, man. :)

[Stronk Serb]

Why north? We're from the south.

North from Salerno. Like Tuscany, Veneto, Rome etc. I said that because you probably would not want your child "contaminated " by Greek blood. The problem is, nobody is 100% his ethnicity. So you are going to have a bigger problem finding your wife then raising your kids. You remind me of the nobles who wanted only truly royal blood to have kids with. In the end they became a bunch of inbred imbeciles.

[Cicero]

North from Salerno. Like Tuscany, Veneto, Rome etc. I said that because you probably would not want your child "contaminated " by Greek blood. The problem is, nobody is 100% his ethnicity. So you are going to have a bigger problem finding your wife then raising your kids. You remind me of the nobles who wanted only truly royal blood to have kids with. In the end they became a bunch of inbred imbeciles.

I don't have a problem with other ethnicities.


I want my kids Sicilian for many reasons, not just because of the ethnicity, also so they can be proud of the Sicilian culture, also, Sicilians are very traditional people which I love about Sicily. Sicily is one of the most catholic of all Italy (except the Vatican of course). The values many Sicilians in Sicily have I admire. Many Sicilians are proud to be Sicilian, being Sicilian is way different than being roman or Tuscan.

Back in the day, the mafia would only allow Sicilians, because Sicilians trust each other more than they would a roman or Tuscan. I'd preferably wanna marry a Sicilian woman, if that's not possible, then I wouldn't mind marrying an Italian, or French, or English, or whatever woman.

[BebeFleur.]

I am not going to push anyone that doesn't want kids. I completely respect their decision and them. I mean, I would rather someone not be a parent than someone be a horrible parent. I think that when people realize they wouldn't be a good parent, then they are being responsible. If they become a parent against their wishes, that is just bad for the child.

I don't care about sexuality. Sure, having a straight child might be simpler, but I wouldn't care. Times are changing, slowly, but they are changing. I think discouraging anything but being straight is bad because that gives being LGBTQ a bad connotation.

[Carlsen]

Children? Seeing myself in the army in 10 years, probably no. My wife woud have to do everything. I do not want to put that much pressure on her. I would try to find an alternative. If she wants to and is fully aware that I might not be even able to be there when I am needed due to my job, then I see no harm in it. Although I would probably be a bit harsh on the children (wake up time; time spent out etc.). And I would probably be harsh about the tidyness of their rooms. All of that would be because I would get used to training recruits, which is one of the duties of a petty officer in the Army of Serbia.

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why will you have your Children to be i n the militaire or somthing? I see much harm in this :(



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[Croconaw]

I never want kids.

[teen.jpg]

alright another question on topic how important is a childs sexuality? personally I want them to be straight as they suffer less from bullying and I think it would ve harder to build a relationship with them

I'm trying so hard not to get mad at this, but that is the stupidest comment I've EVER read.

"I want my kids to be straight so they'll have an easier life."

Get what? Life isn't fucking hard. It never was, and never will be for anyone, gay, straight, bi, or anything else. You saying you want them to be exact copies of everyone else to have an easier life is basically enabling discrimination and bullying.

It really makes me sick.

[britishboy]

I'm trying so hard not to get mad at this, but that is the stupidest comment I've EVER read.

"I want my kids to be straight so they'll have an easier life."

Get what? Life isn't fucking hard. It never was, and never will be for anyone, gay, straight, bi, or anything else. You saying you want them to be exact copies of everyone else to have an easier life is basically enabling discrimination and bullying.

It really makes me sick.

yeah but you forgot one thing... I honestly dont care what you think, I want them to be straight and good at sport from an early age, I was never into football when I was younger and still not great now. I dont want a 'different' child

[teen.jpg]

yeah but you forgot one thing... I honestly dont care what you think, I want them to be straight and good at sport from an early age, I was never into football when I was younger and still not great now. I dont want a 'different' child

I hope you're never a parent. Ever.

You'll probably be the worst parent ever.

"I don't want a different child" That sentence makes me want to rush to the bathroom and vomit. Seriously.

News flash, EVERYONE is different. I don't know what messed up perception of a child is, but they're are most definitely not going to match your ideas.

I really feel bad for whatever kids you may have because of the father they might be stuck with who is against them being "different".

[britishboy]

I hope you're never a parent. Ever.

You'll probably be the worst parent ever.

"I don't want a different child" That sentence makes me want to rush to the bathroom and vomit. Seriously.

News flash, EVERYONE is different. I don't know what messed up perception of a child is, but they're are most definitely not going to match your ideas.

I really feel bad for whatever kids you may have because of the father they might be stuck with who is against them being "different".

haha 'everyone is different' thats something teachers tell the freaks, and I will be there for my children, protect them, be there educator and support them. and this is gonna sound a bit harsh cos you bi but no one in there right mind (including many gays) want a child thats gay, bi or lesbian, or any learning difficultys as these make parenting the child harder and more at rist from bullies, also I think I will bond better with a straight child. im sorry this may be harsh but you say in your sig your brutally honest, so if you can dish it out you should be able to take it

[teen.jpg]

haha 'everyone is different' thats something teachers tell the freaks, and I will be there for my children, protect them, be there educator and support them. and this is gonna sound a bit harsh cos you bi but no one in there right mind (including many gays) want a child thats gay, bi or lesbian, or any learning difficultys as these make parenting the child harder and more at rist from bullies, also I think I will bond better with a straight child. im sorry this may be harsh but you say in your sig your brutally honest, so if you can dish it out you should be able to take it

1) Where the hell does your basis of "different" come from anyway?
2) Who are you to call anyone a "freak"?
3) Yes, because my child has a learning disability or a sexual orientation other then my own, I completely give up hope for them? Is THAT what you are saying?
4) My child MIGHT get bullied, so I don't want them to be themselves or "different" in any way possible. Does that sound right to you?

People like you should never have kids because you have no idea how flawed your way of thinking is, and aren't even able to realize that.

[britishboy]

1) Where the hell does your basis of "different" come from anyway?
2) Who are you to call anyone a "freak"?
3) Yes, because my child has a learning disability or a sexual orientation other then my own, I completely give up hope for them? Is THAT what you are saying?
4) My child MIGHT get bullied, so I don't want them to be themselves or "different" in any way possible. Does that sound right to you?

People like you should never have kids because you have no idea how flawed your way of thinking is, and aren't even able to realize that.

look I never said I would give up on my kids and stop getting emotional after all your brutally honest so ill be... most people including me will always support there kids no matter what but you must be wierd or pissed of your head on alcohol to want a child who is at risk of being a social outcast, this may be because of sexuality or illness. and 1/4 gay people in europe have been bullied, and if you want kids I recommend you sort out your attitude problem and work on your personality... just being brutally honest

[teen.jpg]

look I never said I would give up on my kids and stop getting emotional after all your brutally honest so ill be... most people including me will always support there kids no matter what but you must be wierd or pissed of your head on alcohol to want a child who is at risk of being a social outcast, this may be because of sexuality or illness. and 1/4 gay people in europe have been bullied, and if you want kids I recommend you sort out your attitude problem and work on your personality... just being brutally honest

Guess what? You don't always get what you want. Deal with it.

Just because of a mental illness or sexual orientation, they're automatically going to be a social outcast and bullied? And you wouldn't do anything about it?

And yes, because having a child with a mental illness requires being "pissed off your head on alcohol"? So any parent of one must be drunk to take care of them.

And don't talk about my attitude or my personality because not only is that completely irrelevant, but you have no idea what I'm actually like and are only saying that to make me seem like a bad person. Which I'm not.

[StoppingTime]

haha 'everyone is different' thats something teachers tell the freaks,

By "freaks" I assume you mean kids who look, act, and behave different from the "norm." Just so you know, (though it's not like you're going to listen, but hey) a "freak" is in no way a bad person, at all. I guess you'll look down on them because they're not perfect like you, but honestly I don't think they (I say "they" as I don't know who you're talking about, maybe I should say "we") could care less about what people think.


and I will be there for my children, protect them, be there educator and support them.

Hopefully you won't be one "educating" anyone.


and this is gonna sound a bit harsh cos you bi but no one in there right mind (including many gays) want a child thats gay, bi or lesbian,

Ohhhh, look at you. You're just like Cicero, and unfortunately, many many other people. You make these statements which you believe in, and add on a "nobody in their right mind" to try and convince people to say "hey, if a lot of people are doing it they must be right." Two things are wrong, however:
1. You have absolutely no proof regarding what you said.
2. Just because everyone behaves one way doesn't make it right, at all.


or any learning difficultys as these make parenting the child harder

I'm sure most parents wouldn't want their child to have any kind of disability, yea. That doesn't mean that all parents who have a child with a disability will not be a "good" parent to that child, though.


and more at rist from bullies,

wait what.


also I think I will bond better with a straight child. im sorry this may be harsh but you say in your sig your brutally honest, so if you can dish it out you should be able to take it

Fine, if that's what you're like, fine. Nobody is going to change that, it seems, so why bother. All we can hope for is that you never have children.


look I never said I would give up on my kids and stop getting emotional after all your brutally honest so ill be...

You're just being arrogant. There's a difference.


most people including me

Stop generalizing, it will never help your argument unless you can actually back it up.


will always support there kids no matter what but you must be wierd or pissed of your head on alcohol to want a child who is at risk of being a social outcast, this may be because of sexuality or illness.


I do not believe he said he "wanted" that anywhere.

and 1/4 gay people in europe have been bullied,

Lol this statistic. The only way it could be right (which it isn't) would be the following:

Every single person in every single European country would need to be asked:
1. Are you gay (which some will lie about for a whole host of reasons)
2. Have you been bullied (which people will also lie about)
2a. Everyone has a different definition of exactly what "bullying" is.

So, stop making up statistics.


and if you want kids I recommend you sort out your attitude problem and work on your personality... just being brutally honest

Now you're simply acting immature (well, even more than before). So stop.

[teen.jpg]

By "freaks" I assume you mean kids who look, act, and behave different from the "norm." Just so you know, (though it's not like you're going to listen, but hey) a "freak" is in no way a bad person, at all. I guess you'll look down on them because they're not perfect like you, but honestly I don't think they (I say "they" as I don't know who you're talking about, maybe I should say "we") could care less about what people think.



Hopefully you won't be one "educating" anyone.



Ohhhh, look at you. You're just like Cicero, and unfortunately, many many other people. You make these statements which you believe in, and add on a "nobody in their right mind" to try and convince people to say "hey, if a lot of people are doing it they must be right." Two things are wrong, however:
1. You have absolutely no proof regarding what you said.
2. Just because everyone behaves one way doesn't make it right, at all.




I'm sure most parents wouldn't want their child to have any kind of disability, yea. That doesn't mean that all parents who have a child with a disability will not be a "good" parent to that child, though.



wait what.



Fine, if that's what you're like, fine. Nobody is going to change that, it seems, so why bother. All we can hope for is that you never have children.




You're just being arrogant. There's a difference.



Stop generalizing, it will never help your argument unless you can actually back it up.




I do not believe he said he "wanted" that anywhere.



Lol this statistic. The only way it could be right (which it isn't) would be the following:

Every single person in every single European country would need to be asked:
1. Are you gay (which some will lie about for a whole host of reasons)
2. Have you been bullied (which people will also lie about)
2a. Everyone has a different definition of exactly what "bullying" is.

So, stop making up statistics.



Now you're simply acting immature (well, even more than before). So stop.

Looks like we're back in the same situation again, huh?

[Rayquaza]

I would still rather them be straight, remove the stress and wurry and have a normal family relationship but yeah I would still look after my children if they turned gay

Funny how its the majority of straight relationships that end in shambles and not homosexual relationships.

look I never said I would give up on my kids and stop getting emotional after all your brutally honest so ill be... most people including me will always support there kids no matter what but you must be wierd or pissed of your head on alcohol to want a child who is at risk of being a social outcast, this may be because of sexuality or illness. and 1/4 gay people in europe have been bullied, and if you want kids I recommend you sort out your attitude problem and work on your personality... just being brutally honest

Back up your sources and stop talking like you're 50. And they're not being brutally honest, half the people here are getting pissed over your awful way of backing up your point and repeating yourself. But I must say your posts are rather hilarious to read. Besides I couldn't care if my child is a social outcast. Why? It means that they don't conform to societies norms, and that they are independent. People that just conform and want to fit in are weak minded, such as yourself. Besides, you're basing this on illness and sexuality, two things that aren't chosen.

I hope you're never a parent. Ever.

You'll probably be the worst parent ever.

Dude you don't need to worry, with views like that he'll repel any girl that comes 10 feet near him.

[BebeFleur.]

yeah but you forgot one thing... I honestly dont care what you think, I want them to be straight and good at sport from an early age, I was never into football when I was younger and still not great now. I dont want a 'different' child

Sexuality has been brought up enough here, So I won't make a big deal about it but remember. Times are changing, and discouraging LGBTQ will just make it worse.

Sports? Seriously? That's what you want? I have never, and probably will never be, into sports. HOWEVER, I have the best grades of my class, am in the top in my band, score the best on all tests, am in all academic competition teams (and win), and have good study ethics. Sports MAY (major may here) get you through MS, HS, college, and the first few years of your life. Knowledge fives you a full life. Sure, I may be the 'different' kid, but I am/will be the successful kid. Don't force your kid into something they aren't. That creates more problems.

[Stronk Serb]

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why will you have your Children to be i n the militaire or somthing? I see much harm in this :(



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No... Not going to force them to follow on my failiures

[britishboy]

hey guys ain't I popular:/ only 2 million quotes:p ill reply to them all labeling sources and my own personal opinion.

opinion: I looked for a source on how many people want gay children but couldn't find anything than gays against gay marriage which is no help. but I know all my friends, my gf and even an english teacher have said either they dont want gay children but will look after them (gf. this also my opinion) others say they will put them into care and saying stuff like 'no son of mine will be gay' (friends but we were joking about someone on tv who looked gay, so its probably wrong) or people who say a straight child will be easyer but love the gay child just as much (teacher)

common sence: if you could chose would you have the easy child, close relationship, smart, out with friends, confident. or the gay or bi child at risk of bullying?
of course I look after any child ill have and I want 3-5, I will treat them all equally gay or straight, as for me being a good father is one of the most important things in life.
and to the sport thing, most of my friends play football and when I was younger I was addicted to games so never learned to play well. I actually had two of my best mates have to teach me but its ok now cos im striker (ow yeah) im not against gays but if god gave a choice I know what ill pick after all me and my mates joke about gay people and I would hate for my child to be on the other side of the jokes.

heres some kinda of off topic pages on gays and why I would prefer a straight child.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8378817.stm

www.towleroad.com/2012/05/hate-crimes-against-lgbtq-people-highest-in-14-years.html (http:// www.towleroad.com/2012/05/hate-crimes-against-lgbtq-people-highest-in-14-years.html)

[Sweet Smart Smexi]

I also want kids, but I probably wouldn't have the time to handle them

[Rayquaza]

hey guys ain't I popular:/ only 2 million quotes:p ill reply to them all labeling sources and my own personal opinion.

opinion: I looked for a source on how many people want gay children but couldn't find anything than gays against gay marriage which is no help. but I know all my friends, my gf and even an english teacher have said either they dont want gay children but will look after them (gf. this also my opinion) others say they will put them into care and saying stuff like 'no son of mine will be gay' (friends but we were joking about someone on tv who looked gay, so its probably wrong) or people who say a straight child will be easyer but love the gay child just as much (teacher)

common sence: if you could chose would you have the easy child, close relationship, smart, out with friends, confident. or the gay or bi child at risk of bullying?
of course I look after any child ill have and I want 3-5, I will treat them all equally gay or straight, as for me being a good father is one of the most important things in life.
and to the sport thing, most of my friends play football and when I was younger I was addicted to games so never learned to play well. I actually had two of my best mates have to teach me but its ok now cos im striker (ow yeah) im not against gays but if god gave a choice I know what ill pick after all me and my mates joke about gay people and I would hate for my child to be on the other side of the jokes.

heres some kinda of off topic pages on gays and why I would prefer a straight child.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8378817.stm

www.towleroad.com/2012/05/hate-crimes-against-lgbtq-people-highest-in-14-years.html (http:// www.towleroad.com/2012/05/hate-crimes-against-lgbtq-people-highest-in-14-years.html)

You're saying you want straight children as if it's a choice. What will happen if you do have a gay child? Will they be disowned? Great father you'll be(!) I anticipate seeing your Jeremy Kyle episode.

[britishboy]

You're saying you want straight children as if it's a choice. What will happen if you do have a gay child? Will they be disowned? Great father you'll be(!) I anticipate seeing your Jeremy Kyle episode.

no as I said I will look after them like anyother child, I would just prefer a straight child... READ

[Rayquaza]

no as I said I will look after them like anyother child, I would just prefer a straight child... READ

You're telling ME to read? Hypocrisy much.

I'm saying there's no point saying you would "prefer" because it's something that you don't choose. You should learn to love sexualities equally, not bias one. It's obvious that you're just giving socially desirable answers and saying you would love them equally when it's so evident you're biased towards straight children.

Besides what if you had a girl?

[britishboy]

You're telling ME to read? Hypocrisy much.

I'm saying there's no point saying you would "prefer" because it's something that you don't choose. You should learn to love sexualities equally, not bias one. It's obvious that you're just giving socially desirable answers and saying you would love them equally when it's so evident you're biased towards straight children.

Besides what if you had a girl?

of course I want a girl I want loads of kids and I will treat them equally and try my best for all of them, and you cant choose hair colour so why talk about that? I want a straight child for all the the reasons ive said but as I have already said being a father is very important to me, I will do my best to be a father

[Snookers]

I think a child, adopted or not, is pretty important in a marriage, gay or not. It brings the two people together, it bonds them.

[Rayquaza]

of course I want a girl I want loads of kids and I will treat them equally and try my best for all of them, and you cant choose hair colour so why talk about that? I want a straight child for all the the reasons ive said but as I have already said being a father is very important to me, I will do my best to be a father

Hair colour?

You've lost the plot mate.

[Harry Smith]

of course I want a girl I want loads of kids and I will treat them equally and try my best for all of them, and you cant choose hair colour so why talk about that? I want a straight child for all the the reasons ive said but as I have already said being a father is very important to me, I will do my best to be a father

You want a straight child, could you BE anymore homophobic?

[britishboy]

You want a straight child, could you BE anymore homophobic?

yes, but im not homophobic, even ryland says he would want straight kidss

[Harry Smith]

yes, but im not homophobic, even ryland says he would want straight kidss

1)you said that you and your friends 'joke' about gay people.
2)You've called me a gay crying about the world.
3)You think that homosexual relations only rely on sex.
4)You've called homosexuals unnatural
5)You've said you wouldn't want a gay child
6)You've implied that anyway who is different is a freak

Your subjecting gay people based on their orientation. You claim to be pro gay rights but the above clearly disproves it.

Your a arrogant little boy who thinks that they know everything about everyone, you know fuck all about life.

[xXl0sth0peXx]

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