Nice guys finish last. Why?

[clueless_one]

I'm 18 and am nice to everyone and every girl I try to ask out or tell them I like them I get rejected. So why do nice guys finish last in relationships?

[Croconaw]

That is not always true. Some girls just like assholes.

[MoonMan]

I have the same problem. My guess is girls this age are not fully mature yet, just like guys this age are generally a horny mess of hormones, girls tend to have trouble knowing what they want in a man. They tend to be more attracted to the alpha male type who end up hurting them. Maybe the problem is with you? Maybe you're not the greatest looking guy and you're going for girls out of your league? You could always lower your standards, looks aren't everything. Whatever the problem is, all you can do is be yourself. The worse thing you could do is change yourself completely for a hot piece of ass who will most likely just dump you for the next Ryan gosling lookalike she sees, just saying.

[Gwen]

No, no, just no. Nice guys do not finish last, you apparently do. Your not who they're looking for just because your nice doesn't make you perfect. Sure nice guys are great but it's preference, many girls date nice guys. Just not the one's you go after, there are a nigh infinite number of reasons they say no. Niceness doesn't cut it on it's own.

[HockeyLovesMe]

No, no, just no. Nice guys do not finish last, you apparently do. Your not who they're looking for just because your nice doesn't make you perfect. Sure nice guys are great but it's preference, many girls date nice guys. Just not the one's you go after, there are a nigh infinite number of reasons they say no. Niceness doesn't cut it on it's own.

ya i agree i dnt think they do to just keep trying :)

[AzuPazu]

I honestly thought this was about the song from NigaHiga and Chester See.

Anyhow. I have noticed that a lot, it goes both ways honestly.
Some teenagers always look at what the others want but can't get, it gives them that kick of being better than others.
Even my boyfriend left me for a girl like that, but I can say for 100% that he'll walk against a wall, that girl goes out kissing every guy around.

Best thing to do is, if they won't recognize what you're doing for them, drop them. Who knows they might realize what you did for them and come back, if not then don't worry you'll find someone else worth your time.

WARNING: I can honestly say desperate guys are a turn off for me, and I think it goes the same for most of the teenagers (both ways).

[Magenta]

I have the same problem. My guess is girls this age are not fully mature yet, just like guys this age are generally a horny mess of hormones, girls tend to have trouble knowing what they want in a man. They tend to be more attracted to the alpha male type who end up hurting them. Maybe the problem is with you? Maybe you're not the greatest looking guy and you're going for girls out of your league? You could always lower your standards, looks aren't everything. Whatever the problem is, all you can do is be yourself. The worse thing you could do is change yourself completely for a hot piece of ass who will most likely just dump you for the next Ryan gosling lookalike she sees, just saying.

That's a pretty broad generalisation about girls who typically mature faster than guys anyway. Girls aren't automatically attracted to guys who will hurt them just because they're hormonal or horny and don't know what they're looking for. The thing is, confidence is attractive. If this "alpha male" dude is confident, it's a lot more attractive than someone who thinks they can't get a girl. Odds are, if you believe you can't get a girl, you probably won't.

Also being nice does not mean we will be attracted to you.

And no, it's not just about looking or going after the next "Ryan Gosling lookalike", it's personal preference. Niceness is a factor, yes, but so are dozens of other things. Hell, most girls can't pinpoint those things until they see them (and I mean both personality and looks). The problem isn't that this guy is unattractive or he's going for girls out of his league, they're just not interested for whatever reason.

So you haven't had the best luck asking girls out. Whatever. Keep trying and you'll be the kind of guy that someone is attracted to. That girl just hasn't shown up yet.

Also, personal thing but the "nice guy" attitude is a turn off for me. If I know a dude thinks they're a nice guy and that somehow should get them more girls, I just end up thinking they believe they're entitled and won't bother. I'm not saying this is you but

[gipsy danger]

but some times life is unfair and nice guys do finish last. I use to be super nice guy when I was 14 then I realized that nice guy doesn't cut it so I changed the way I dressed and became more open with myself. and voila I became a really well known guy. just being to nice won't get you the girl. my apologies for being blunt

[Jean Poutine]

I have the same problem. My guess is girls this age are not fully mature yet, just like guys this age are generally a horny mess of hormones, girls tend to have trouble knowing what they want in a man. They tend to be more attracted to the alpha male type who end up hurting them.

^^
this is the sort of thinking you need to evacuate if you want to date anyone or anything.

Nice guys finish last because nice guys are not men, they are kids. They think they are "more mature" than everyone else when it's the other way around. The typical "nice guy" is shy, craves attention, attaches himself way too fast and puts the girl before himself at all times, making him look more like a rug than a man. He is insecure, manipulative, passive-aggressive even, with low self-esteem.

What girls (of any age) want is a man. They want somebody who is confident, assertive, with a life of his own, who does not need pampering or constant shows of affection. They want somebody who is stable in his personality and content with who he is, ie. good self-esteem.

Girls like challenge and they like being teased. Nice guys give everything up front in the hopes that the girl will recognize all he has to offer and fall for him. It doesn't work that way, it's too easy for them. Even if they are attracted to you at first, they'll get bored because you're good old predictable you. Attractive guys keep the mystery running for as long as they can, they don't give all of their body and soul up front, they let the girl make the effort to go get it. Confidence, for example, is sexy because it makes the girl wonder what exactly makes you so confident. Attractive men are intensely layered men.

Also, the girl is not the prize, you are. When you ask a girl out and go on the following dates, nice guys put the girl on a pedestal and want the girl. That's boring for them, they have 1000 nice guys waiting in line behind you to do the same thing and kiss her feet and "show her how amazing she is". Instead, put yourself on a pedestal and make her want you. Make her want to peel your layers out like an orange.

Plus, don't act like you have romantic overtures right away. That's a turn off IME. Nice guys chase the relationship so much they come out as desperate. Act as if you're making a friend, as if a relationship doesn't particularly matter although you might be open to the possibility. Physical contact will straighten up what the game is really about.

Nice guys usually say "life is so unfair, girls are attracted to assholes that treat them badly". That's not true, they are attracted to the confidence, the extroverted sense of self, the independance, the leadership, the charisma. Believe it or not, nobody likes assholes. When so-called alpha males turn out to be assholes (a lot are) the girl is often stuck in the nets, so to speak, and can't get out.

In resume, you won't be attractive until you a) are confident and b) like yourself. Forget that pick-up artist crap, the tips and tricks, the negs, the kinos, whatever you read on the Internet. You really only need these pointers : be cool (act as if you're making a friend, not trying to get in her pants), touch her (so she knows despite how you're outwardly acting that there's sexual attraction thus the potential for something more), tease her (with your layers, you complicated man!), like and valorize yourself (have healthy self-esteem) and *drumroll* be yourself. You're the prize.

PS : I was stuck in the nice guy routine for the longest time. I'm not talking through my hat here. The earlier you're out of it, the better.

[GamerGuy09]

If a girl rejects you for being to nice, and likes people who treats her wrong. Then she is immature and shouldn't be bothered with. Keep being nice, you will find a sensible mature girl in time.

[gipsy danger]

^^
this is the sort of thinking you need to evacuate if you want to date anyone or anything.

Nice guys finish last because nice guys are not men, they are kids. They think they are "more mature" than everyone else when it's the other way around. The typical "nice guy" is shy, craves attention, attaches himself way too fast and puts the girl before himself at all times, making him look more like a rug than a man. He is insecure, manipulative, passive-aggressive even, with low self-esteem.

What girls (of any age) want is a man. They want somebody who is confident, assertive, with a life of his own, who does not need pampering or constant shows of affection. They want somebody who is stable in his personality and content with who he is, ie. good self-esteem.

Girls like challenge and they like being teased. Nice guys give everything up front in the hopes that the girl will recognize all he has to offer and fall for him. It doesn't work that way, it's too easy for them. Even if they are attracted to you at first, they'll get bored because you're good old predictable you. Attractive guys keep the mystery running for as long as they can, they don't give all of their body and soul up front, they let the girl make the effort to go get it. Confidence, for example, is sexy because it makes the girl wonder what exactly makes you so confident. Attractive men are intensely layered men.

Also, the girl is not the prize, you are. When you ask a girl out and go on the following dates, nice guys put the girl on a pedestal and want the girl. That's boring for them, they have 1000 nice guys waiting in line behind you to do the same thing and kiss her feet and "show her how amazing she is". Instead, put yourself on a pedestal and make her want you. Make her want to peel your layers out like an orange.

Plus, don't act like you have romantic overtures right away. That's a turn off IME. Nice guys chase the relationship so much they come out as desperate. Act as if you're making a friend, as if a relationship doesn't particularly matter although you might be open to the possibility. Physical contact will straighten up what the game is really about.

Nice guys usually say "life is so unfair, girls are attracted to assholes that treat them badly". That's not true, they are attracted to the confidence, the extroverted sense of self, the independance, the leadership, the charisma. Believe it or not, nobody likes assholes. When so-called alpha males turn out to be assholes (a lot are) the girl is often stuck in the nets, so to speak, and can't get out.

In resume, you won't be attractive until you a) are confident and b) like yourself. Forget that pick-up artist crap, the tips and tricks, the negs, the kinos, whatever you read on the Internet. You really only need these pointers : be cool (act as if you're making a friend, not trying to get in her pants), touch her (so she knows despite how you're outwardly acting that there's sexual attraction thus the potential for something more), tease her (with your layers, you complicated man!), like and valorize yourself (have healthy self-esteem) and *drumroll* be yourself. You're the prize.

PS : I was stuck in the nice guy routine for the longest time. I'm not talking through my hat here. The earlier you're out of it, the better.

THIS!!!! thank you for explaining reality to all the nice guys wow you are a hero!

[MoonMan]

^^
this is the sort of thinking you need to evacuate if you want to date anyone or anything.

Nice guys finish last because nice guys are not men, they are kids. They think they are "more mature" than everyone else when it's the other way around. The typical "nice guy" is shy, craves attention, attaches himself way too fast and puts the girl before himself at all times, making him look more like a rug than a man. He is insecure, manipulative, passive-aggressive even, with low self-esteem.

What girls (of any age) want is a man. They want somebody who is confident, assertive, with a life of his own, who does not need pampering or constant shows of affection. They want somebody who is stable in his personality and content with who he is, ie. good self-esteem.

Girls like challenge and they like being teased. Nice guys give everything up front in the hopes that the girl will recognize all he has to offer and fall for him. It doesn't work that way, it's too easy for them. Even if they are attracted to you at first, they'll get bored because you're good old predictable you. Attractive guys keep the mystery running for as long as they can, they don't give all of their body and soul up front, they let the girl make the effort to go get it. Confidence, for example, is sexy because it makes the girl wonder what exactly makes you so confident. Attractive men are intensely layered men.

Also, the girl is not the prize, you are. When you ask a girl out and go on the following dates, nice guys put the girl on a pedestal and want the girl. That's boring for them, they have 1000 nice guys waiting in line behind you to do the same thing and kiss her feet and "show her how amazing she is". Instead, put yourself on a pedestal and make her want you. Make her want to peel your layers out like an orange.

Plus, don't act like you have romantic overtures right away. That's a turn off IME. Nice guys chase the relationship so much they come out as desperate. Act as if you're making a friend, as if a relationship doesn't particularly matter although you might be open to the possibility. Physical contact will straighten up what the game is really about.

Nice guys usually say "life is so unfair, girls are attracted to assholes that treat them badly". That's not true, they are attracted to the confidence, the extroverted sense of self, the independance, the leadership, the charisma. Believe it or not, nobody likes assholes. When so-called alpha males turn out to be assholes (a lot are) the girl is often stuck in the nets, so to speak, and can't get out.

In resume, you won't be attractive until you a) are confident and b) like yourself. Forget that pick-up artist crap, the tips and tricks, the negs, the kinos, whatever you read on the Internet. You really only need these pointers : be cool (act as if you're making a friend, not trying to get in her pants), touch her (so she knows despite how you're outwardly acting that there's sexual attraction thus the potential for something more), tease her (with your layers, you complicated man!), like and valorize yourself (have healthy self-esteem) and *drumroll* be yourself. You're the prize.

PS : I was stuck in the nice guy routine for the longest time. I'm not talking through my hat here. The earlier you're out of it, the better.

This is where I have a problem. According to you, all nice guys are immature little rugs with no self esteem. I think you and I have different definitions for the word nice, because that sounds like complete bullshit. I approach women on a regular basis and I'm nowhere near afraid of rejection nor am I a helpless little boy who needs confirmation by everyone else because I have no "confidence." Again this isn't a "routine" this is a human being's personality which just so happens to be categorized as nice. Nice meaning honest, kind, and intuitive, not necessarily a pussy with no backbone like your apparent definition. If the lot of the girls are not attracted to that then I'm comfortable waiting a little longer for someone that is. I'm not going to go change my attitude to become something that feels unnatural just because most girls are attracted to it. Assumptions aren't fun for anyone, and the generic "be confident" tip holds no merit and is terrible advice for someone you don't know personally. If by confident you mean approaching girls, talking to them comfortably, and showing self esteem and pride , then I should be picking up ladies with no problem right? The problem is they're more attracted to the meathead posted in the back who will most likely treat them like shit. Terrible, generic advice from someone who changed them self completely to get some ass and then shrugs off his former identity as a forgotten "routine." It's funny how you added "be yourself" there at the very end, mainly because it discredits almost everything you said before like changing your level of pride, charisma, etc to even have a chance at getting girls. For some people, these are important parts of their personality. How do you know nice guys don't already love themselves the way they are? Not like you would understand or anything since you view personalities as a "routine" and all.

[Jean Poutine]

This is where I have a problem.

Okay.

According to you, all nice guys are immature little rugs with no self esteem.

That's according to you. I said "the typical nice guy", as in generally, which is true.

I think you and I have different definitions for the word nice, because that sounds like complete bullshit. I approach women on a regular basis and I'm nowhere near afraid of rejection nor am I a helpless little boy who needs confirmation by everyone else because I have no "confidence." Again this isn't a "routine" this is a human being's personality which just so happens to be categorized as nice. Nice meaning honest, kind, and intuitive, not necessarily a pussy with no backbone like your apparent definition.

You don't know what a "nice guy" is. That much is evident. There is "nice" guy and there is "nice guy". Don't be contrary for the sake of being contrary when you don't know what you're talking about. I am also a "nice" guy, but not a "nice guy".

If the lot of the girls are not attracted to that then I'm comfortable waiting a little longer for someone that is. I'm not going to go change my attitude to become something that feels unnatural just because most girls are attracted to it.

That is your choice. Attitude is just that, attitude. It doesn't mean anything if you change it and as adaptable beings, we are pretty good at getting used to it. It's packaging. A Super Soaker in a WiiU package stays a Super Soaker.

Assumptions aren't fun for anyone, and the generic "be confident" tip holds no merit and is terrible advice for someone you don't know personally. If by confident you mean approaching girls, talking to them comfortably, and showing self esteem and pride , then I should be picking up ladies with no problem right?

You have no idea what confidence is. Confidence isn't actions, it's a state of mind. It's about owning up, manning up, taking control and being comfortable doing so, having the courage of your convictions, having the courage of being you, among other things. What you are talking about is simply being extroverted. Somebody with no confidence can be extroverted.

It's the best tip you will ever receive when you figure out what it actually is. That you say "show self-esteem and pride" means that you have none, else you would have formulated it as having these qualities, not showing them. I am saying develop these attributes, not fake them. Girls smell fakes.

The problem is they're more attracted to the meathead posted in the back who will most likely treat them like shit.

Because they aren't attracted to you, the person they are attracted to is a meathead? Conversely, because the girl is obviously too stupid to see all you have to offer, right? What did I say just there :

Nice guys usually say "life is so unfair, girls are attracted to assholes that treat them badly".

Congratulations, you are a "nice guy". Insecurity, check. You have such a low opinion of women that you think they always go for the assholes that will treat them badly, then you wonder why they aren't attracted to you? Jesus Christ, man.

Terrible, generic advice from someone who changed them self completely to get some ass and then shrugs off his former identity as a forgotten "routine."

Passive-aggressive, check. Maybe add low self-esteem to the list for the gratuitous attack?

What identity? Hello, my name is Tony, I am a left-winger and care about the welfare of all compared to the benefits of few, I like anime and video games, I'm a law student who's passionate about his domain, I am affectionate, caring, slightly on the high maintenance side, I smoke a lot of weed and won't say no to certain pharmaceuticals, and I am very good at making love. Just the same as I have always been.

I have changed nothing about my identity. The core of who I am is intact. What I have changed is the outward appearance, how people first perceive me - I upgraded the package. All other things being equal, would you buy a banged up, dirty, box of chocolate with apparent water damage or the brand-new, snazzy package that comes with a ribbon and flowers? The chocolate is the same, one's getting eaten, the other isn't. But the fancy packed chocolate is still chocolate. Is the disgusting-looking package complaining about not getting eaten and fuming at the nicely packed for not being itself (ie chocolate) anymore like you are doing here?

There's no routine. Being a "nice guy" is a routine born out of fear and insecurity. I am myself but I assert and accept what I am. There is the difference.

It's funny how you added "be yourself" there at the very end, mainly because it discredits almost everything you said before like changing your level of pride, charisma, etc to even have a chance at getting girls.

No it doesn't. See below.

For some people, these are important parts of their personality. How do you know nice guys don't already love themselves the way they are? Not like you would understand or anything since you view personalities as a "routine" and all.

It is the important part of the personality of nobody. Pride, charisma, confidence, etc are attributes. Think of a tabletop RPG. Attributes are stats, they drop and go up. They can be changed. What is important cannot be changed. Girls smell it 100 miles away if you are not yourself with them. People who try to change their core personalities, what they are, end up looking like one of the lads from the Inbetweeners sooner or later.

And again with the passive-aggression. Do you feel threatened? Are you trying to put me down to make yourself look better? Why so hostile, bro?

[MoonMan]

Okay.



That's according to you. I said "the typical nice guy", as in generally, which is true.



You don't know what a "nice guy" is. That much is evident. There is "nice" guy and there is "nice guy". Don't be contrary for the sake of being contrary when you don't know what you're talking about. I am also a "nice" guy, but not a "nice guy".



That is your choice. Attitude is just that, attitude. It doesn't mean anything if you change it and as adaptable beings, we are pretty good at getting used to it. It's packaging. A Super Soaker in a WiiU package stays a Super Soaker.



You have no idea what confidence is. Confidence isn't actions, it's a state of mind. It's about owning up, manning up, taking control and being comfortable doing so, having the courage of your convictions, having the courage of being you, among other things. What you are talking about is simply being extroverted. Somebody with no confidence can be extroverted.

It's the best tip you will ever receive when you figure out what it actually is. That you say "show self-esteem and pride" means that you have none, else you would have formulated it as having these qualities, not showing them. I am saying develop these attributes, not fake them. Girls smell fakes.



Because they aren't attracted to you, the person they are attracted to is a meathead? Conversely, because the girl is obviously too stupid to see all you have to offer, right? What did I say just there :

Nice guys usually say "life is so unfair, girls are attracted to assholes that treat them badly".

Congratulations, you are a "nice guy". Insecurity, check. You have such a low opinion of women that you think they always go for the assholes that will treat them badly, then you wonder why they aren't attracted to you? Jesus Christ, man.



Passive-aggressive, check. Maybe add low self-esteem to the list for the gratuitous attack?

What identity? Hello, my name is Tony, I am a left-winger and care about the welfare of all compared to the benefits of few, I like anime and video games, I'm a law student who's passionate about his domain, I am affectionate, caring, slightly on the high maintenance side, I smoke a lot of weed and won't say no to certain pharmaceuticals, and I am very good at making love. Just the same as I have always been.

I have changed nothing about my identity. The core of who I am is intact. What I have changed is the outward appearance, how people first perceive me - I upgraded the package. All other things being equal, would you buy a banged up, dirty, box of chocolate with apparent water damage or the brand-new, snazzy package that comes with a ribbon and flowers? The chocolate is the same, one's getting eaten, the other isn't. But the fancy packed chocolate is still chocolate. Is the disgusting-looking package complaining about not getting eaten and fuming at the nicely packed for not being itself (ie chocolate) anymore like you are doing here?

There's no routine. Being a "nice guy" is a routine born out of fear and insecurity. I am myself but I assert and accept what I am. There is the difference.



No it doesn't. See below.



It is the important part of the personality of nobody. Pride, charisma, confidence, etc are attributes. Think of a tabletop RPG. Attributes are stats, they drop and go up. They can be changed. What is important cannot be changed. Girls smell it 100 miles away if you are not yourself with them. People who try to change their core personalities, what they are, end up looking like one of the lads from the Inbetweeners sooner or later.

And again with the passive-aggression. Do you feel threatened? Are you trying to put me down to make yourself look better? Why so hostile, bro?


Hostile? You throw assumptions around like a bad habit. You would know nothing of my confidence or my attributes because you don't know me. The fact you apparently have two versions of a "nice" guy was not clear because you didn't clarify ANY of that in your first comment. You simply said nice guys are generally spineless, immature boys who have no confidence. A generality that lacked any evidence aside from what you defined as a "nice guy." If that isn't hostility towards a particular group of people (whom you just happened to have a second version of) then I don't know what is. You failed to address what confidence was in your original comment, instead simply giving a vague tip that wouldn't help anybody. If you had actually read my comment you would see that I described what confidence was based on what I drew from your post, not what I personally believe it is. Apparently, you can perform actions without a state of mind. My intentions must first be clarified in my mind before I go and approach a girl with confidence, I though that much was obvious. Actions have a root, or else every guy could get away with at least looking confident which obviously isn't the case. It's good that you're able to draw so much from a post, but accusations, generalizations and assumptions with little evidence doesn't help anybody. Your beliefs (and with little to no supporting evidence, thats exactly what they are) are not universal. You have yet to prove how typical nice guys being immature is true, you just simply said it is "generally" true to avoid giving any evidence (and therefore merit) to that statement. Now, what say you?

[Jean Poutine]

Hostile? You throw assumptions around like a bad habit. You would know nothing of my confidence or my attributes because you don't know me.

Everything was apparent in your post. It was amazingly easy to see for anyone who knows how to read.

The fact you apparently have two versions of a "nice" guy was not clear because you didn't clarify ANY of that in your first comment.

I didn't think I would need to when faced with an intelligent audience.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nice+guy

Read through and you'll understand what I'm talking about. I personally enjoy this one :

A badge of martyrdom. Men who spend their most of their time whining about how women “just want to date jerks”. Oblivious to the fact that no one finds people who feel sorry for themselves attractive, much less people who blame others for their lack of success. Most self proclaimed “nice guys” are just as self-centered and misogynistic as the jerks they gripe about, they are just much more spineless. To stupid to figure why women don’t find them attractive, they conclude that in order to get laid they must treat a woman like shit.

They tend to befriend women with the expectation that women owe them something more than friendship, then get all pissed off when the women tells them she’s not interested. Often going after women who are already in relationships, they misrepresent their intentions and try to use emotional manipulation and the facade of friendship as an excuse to get closer to them and score with them.


You simply said nice guys are generally spineless, immature boys who have no confidence. A generality that lacked any evidence aside from what you defined as a "nice guy." If that isn't hostility towards a particular group of people (whom you just happened to have a second version of) then I don't know what is.

1. it is true. Just look at you go.
2. the truth is neutral, not hostile. If you read the truth hostilely it tells me all I need to know.

You failed to address what confidence was in your original comment, instead simply giving a vague tip that wouldn't help anybody.

Usually people are smart enough to know what confidence is. You are the first person I must define it to. Ever.

If you had actually read my comment you would see that I described what confidence was based on what I drew from your post, not what I personally believe it is.

After saying the things you did, you said "then I should be picking up ladies with no problem, right?" implying that you do what you said. Don't try to deflect.

Apparently, you can perform actions without a state of mind.

Uh, sure you can. Just to be an asshole, sleepwalking.

My intentions must first be clarified in my mind before I go and approach a girl with confidence, I though that much was obvious. Actions have a root, or else every guy could get away with at least looking confident which obviously isn't the case.

Actions have a root which is just the electric impulse travelling in your nerve system. These are tainted by, not rooted in, your state of mind, and the state of mind of others. As all actions are neutral, their perception by you or others as good and evil, actions will be perceived as confident or not.

It's good that you're able to draw so much from a post, but accusations, generalizations and assumptions with little evidence doesn't help anybody.

You are priceless. You started them. You assumed that I outrageously changed myself (which is not true) to get some ass (I am in a committed, serious, steady relationship). You are like an open book, man. Don't forget I was you once.

Your beliefs (and with little to no supporting evidence, thats exactly what they are) are not universal. You have yet to prove how typical nice guys being immature is true, you just simply said it is "generally" true to avoid giving any evidence (and therefore merit) to that statement. Now, what say you?

"Nice guys" are suckers, so yes, they are immature. It is in the definition of "nice guy". People are gullible because they lack maturity.

Kindly format next time, I hate walls of text.

[MoonMan]

Everything was apparent in your post. It was amazingly easy to see for anyone who knows how to read.



I didn't think I would need to when faced with an intelligent audience.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nice+guy

Read through and you'll understand what I'm talking about. I personally enjoy this one :





1. it is true. Just look at you go.
2. the truth is neutral, not hostile. If you read the truth hostilely it tells me all I need to know.



Usually people are smart enough to know what confidence is. You are the first person I must define it to. Ever.



After saying the things you did, you said "then I should be picking up ladies with no problem, right?" implying that you do what you said. Don't try to deflect.



Uh, sure you can. Just to be an asshole, sleepwalking.



Actions have a root which is just the electric impulse travelling in your nerve system. These are tainted by, not rooted in, your state of mind, and the state of mind of others. As all actions are neutral, their perception by you or others as good and evil, actions will be perceived as confident or not.



You are priceless. You started them. You assumed that I outrageously changed myself (which is not true) to get some ass (I am in a committed, serious, steady relationship). You are like an open book, man. Don't forget I was you once.



"Nice guys" are suckers, so yes, they are immature. It is in the definition of "nice guy". People are gullible because they lack maturity.

Kindly format next time, I hate walls of text.

Funny how you accused me of being hostile at first. Insulting intelligence and accusing people of having no confidence froma post is about as passive aggressive as it gets. I fail to see how an urban dictionary definition accounts as evidence, I could make a term up and define it as a sex position involving toasters and severed toes on there right now if I wanted to, hardly a valuable source. In the mean time here's an actual study that shows your bigoted view of nice guys in the dating game is flawed


www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10546171
by ES Herold - 1999 - Cited by 21 - Related articles
Dating preferences of university women: an analysis of the nice guy stereotype. ... This study investigated university women's (N = 165) perceptions of "nice guys ...

I think you and I would both agree that its better to be a subject of long term relationships than a one night hookup. Have a nice day, sir.

[Burn007]

Actually nice guys arent lozers,nice guys are just boys that love a girl and would do anything for her,im a nice guy and i dont finish last i have the best gf ever,and we are both happy :) Im nice to girls that mean to me,to be precise 2 bff,gf....Everything else u call being nice is just mz culture and educiation to be a gentleman of some sort :) U say nice guy has no self esteem,then u havent met me :D Ooh,i have it,and alot of it :) Otherwise,we have a word for what u describe "Papucar" its the person that always listens his gf,cant stand up to her,and does whatever she says....Im just i good looking dude with nice manners and mentality of a caring man :)

[badthoughts]

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