A moneyless world.

[tovaris]

what do you think of the idea?
Do you think the world could function without money or anithing else to carie walue, everithing simply being free?

I personatly believe in such a world.

Edit:
This also aplies to any cind of curency or direct trade in goods.

[britishboy]

there will always be classes, even without money

[Stronk Serb]

Restriction would have to be made. I cannot just go to a mine and take 1 kilo of uranium. I think for start we should keep some semblance of currency, but all wages should be equal. When we get mentally advanced enough, we should eliminate any kind of currency.

[Camazotz]

No; not at all. Pure chaos would occur. What's my incentive to go to my factory job to make big-screen TV's? Why not just take it?

[britishboy]

Restriction would have to be made. I cannot just go to a mine and take 1 kilo of uranium. I think for start we should keep some semblance of currency, but all wages should be equal. When we get mentally advanced enough, we should eliminate any kind of currency.

so a brick layer should be paid the same as a nuclear physicist? firsy has no education, second had 20 years in education and 30 working there way up the career layer

[Stronk Serb]

so a brick layer should be paid the same as a nuclear physicist? firsy has no education, second had 20 years in education and 30 working there way up the career layer

They are both equally important in our society. Education for careers should be based on mental capabilities and personal preference for that level of intelligence.

[tovaris]

Restriction would have to be made. I cannot just go to a mine and take 1 kilo of uranium. I think for start we should keep some semblance of currency, but all wages should be equal. When we get mentally advanced enough, we should eliminate any kind of currency.

whal afcors there should be a periond so that the society can ajoust and sloly change but ulitmatly with stil keeping a state to loock after things and ultimetly a statles moneyless clasless society will emerge

[britishboy]

They are both equally important in our society. Education for careers should be based on mental capabilities and personal preference for that level of intelligence.

I disagree with that people should be rewarded

[Stronk Serb]

I disagree with that people should be rewarded

Yes with better education to expand their mental skills to the max plus no taxes since there is no currency.

[britishboy]

Yes with better education to expand their mental skills to the max plus no taxes since there is no currency.

how are you gonna pay for imports and defense?

[Stronk Serb]

how are you gonna pay for imports and defense?

The whole world does not have to pay itself. The farmers are paying us all with heat. We pay them with agricultural machines. Power plant personell pay us with electricity, we pay them with protection gear and plant enhancements. I could continue on.

[StoppingTime]

Such a world is impossible. People will always find value in something, rendering some kind of "currency." It may not be in money as we know today, but rather in goods. Say I have X ounces of gold and you want it. Well, say you have X ounces more of silver than I have in gold. The two items would be traded, making the smaller weight of gold worth more than the silver, as you needed to give me more in order to ensure the trade.

[Stronk Serb]

Such a world is impossible. People will always find value in something, rendering some kind of "currency." It may not be in money as we know today, but rather in goods. Say I have X ounces of gold and you want it. Well, say you have X ounces more of silver than I have in gold. The two items would be traded, making the smaller weight of gold worth more than the silver, as you needed to give me more in order to ensure the trade.

Unless we overcome our generaly greedy nature. That would be a next step in our evolution.

[britishboy]

Unless we overcome our generaly greedy nature. That would be a next step in our evolution.

but society wont as a whole wont and people will take advantage of the system

[Stronk Serb]

but society wont as a whole wont and people will take advantage of the system

Maybe in the next 100 generations. But we will slowly start working for the greater good of eachother, eventually. A tike will come when we would lay our lives for absoute strangers, when we would care more about some one else then for ourself.

[britishboy]

Maybe in the next 100 generations. But we will slowly start working for the greater good of eachother, eventually. A tike will come when we would lay our lives for absoute strangers, when we would care more about some one else then for ourself.

it would be nice if it happened and solve many problems but is far far away so im just gonna live my life as a communist world is far fron today

[Cicero]

there will always be classes, even without money

No; not at all. Pure chaos would occur. What's my incentive to go to my factory job to make big-screen TV's? Why not just take it?

Agree ^


I could already think of different classes, such as ones in looks.

[randomnessqueen]

it would have ofcourse change very significantly
but money has not always existed, so quite obviously it could be without it

[Stronk Serb]

10,000 years ago we were bands of hunter-gatherers sharing all food and shelter. We can still be like that, but with modern technology.

[ImCoolBeans]

Man kind has always bartered. Before paper currency was established, and before any form of metal currency either for that matter, man would trade goods with one another. Food, tools, supplies and various other goods were held at a value -- just as you would value things that are important to you. Before there was a tangible system of currency these goods were how you would go about acquiring other goods.

A world can exist without money -- it did for a long, long time before it was brought into society. It's only in the past millennium or past few centuries that paper/metal/other forms of currency became circulated. It would take a lot of recall and would be pretty inconsistent and inconvenient since people may value their possessions differently, but it is certainly very possible.

[Hyper]

No its a fairy tale and kids dreaming of communism piss me off, being from a former USSR country.

Wanting a world where everyone ''cooperates'' for the ''common good'' is nice and all but its so naive it just pisses me off.

The economy, if you are cynical, runs on the fact that people keep wanting more stuff they don't need for survival i.o luxury items.

I don't see why people would be getting up to go to work every day not being paid in money but in services or items. Now whats the difference here? With money you pay for those things anyway and have the freedom of choice to pay for stupid shit you don't really need either (Like smart phones, designer clothing etc etc).

Now how would everyones labor be a currency to everyone else? Say I am the brick layer and I have a heart problem so I need to see a cardiologist.

So what happens next? The cardiologist doesn't need a new wall so I fucking die? Or your going to say but healthcare shall be available to all because the common man will cooperate together to make it so!

OK well that requires some sort of adminstration of these ''common'' resources...

Now even assuming this ''moneyless'' system works what the hell changes? Nothing really labour would just be made into the new currency, which it technically already is since you get paid for your labor and money acts as a means of commerce in otherwords it makes trading efficient and gives you the choice to do with it as you please.

Simply selling your own labour directly will not be the same or better - it will be worse. Not all jobs are equal purely based on demand & requirements. If you say that problem would be remedied by some form of adminstration then it comes back to

Who administers and spreads the gains of everyones labor? Under what authority? What assurance is there of clarity or equality?

Let me answer for you. NONE

It would be just like capitalism essentially is. And it would be just like the so called ''communism'' of the USSR was. Nomenklatura rule.

There will always be an ''elite'' class that seizes power especially if there is a need for a ruling class built into society.

Humans aren't ants. We will never be working for the common good selflessly.

Its good to dream but I'd rather see people who want people to be more kind & helpful towards each other stop preaching pipe dreams and think about how to move people in a positive direction in the mostly self centered world we live in.

Anyway that is just my view of it.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Money MAY BE the root of greed, but without money; there would be chaos and LITTLE accomplished.

[Cygnus]

The world wont be any more perfect than it is now, it is as easy as that, money will always be there, maybe not in form of paper, but in form of gold.

[britishboy]

money = happiness, dont moan about no money, work hard and get it

[Harry Smith]

money = happiness, dont moan about no money, work hard and get it

Money doesn't equal happiness at all, if this was the case then there would be a virtual flatline of suicide rates of millionaires, but as we know no matter how much or how little money you have life can still be pretty bad

[britishboy]

Money doesn't equal happiness at all, if this was the case then there would be a virtual flatline of suicide rates of millionaires, but as we know no matter how much or how little money you have life can still be pretty bad

I mean where communism is concerned

[Harry Smith]

I mean where communism is concerned

then why did you state that money equals happiness

[Korashk]

Money MAY BE the root of greed, but without money; there would be chaos and LITTLE accomplished.
Money is a result of greed, not it's cause.

[britishboy]

then why did you state that money equals happiness
it does really but of course other factors are needed (looks and family) and I believe everyone being equal etc will not make people unike and people will get depressed being like everyone eles with no chance of succeeding, you could study to be a doctor but get paid the same as a brick layer, or even nothing

[Harry Smith]

it does really but of course other factors are needed (looks and family) and I believe everyone being equal etc will not make people unike and people will get depressed being like everyone eles with no chance of succeeding, you could study to be a doctor but get paid the same as a brick layer, or even nothing

could you be anymore shallow? Your appearance doesn't make you happy in the long term

[britishboy]

could you be anymore shallow? Your appearance doesn't make you happy in the long term

it makes you confident and proud

[Harry Smith]

it makes you confident and proud

no, it makes you arrogant. If anything it caues more problems because not only are you trying to uphold this look but it makes you think that your perfect. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So yeah your confident when you go down to the pub, how's that going to help in life.

Good looks do not and never will make you happy. There are so many more important factors

[britishboy]

no, it makes you arrogant. If anything it caues more problems because not only are you trying to uphold this look but it makes you think that your perfect. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So yeah your confident when you go down to the pub, how's that going to help in life.

Good looks do not and never will make you happy. There are so many more important factors

would you be happy if lets say you were short, bald, spoty, fat and yellow teeth? no no one would be but I agree there are more important factors (for me its money and family + friends) everyone is different when it comes to happiness

[Harry Smith]

would you be happy if lets say you were short, bald, spoty, fat and yellow teeth? no no one would be but I agree there are more important factors (for me its money and family + friends) everyone is different when it comes to happiness

that is so shallow, haven't you heard the beatles song money can't buy you love. Have you not seen Citizen Kane?

Also Jack you can't make blank carpet statements, you can't be certain that a short, bald, spotty fat person with yellow teeth has never been happy. Either support it with evidence or don't say it

You can have money well, it just shows that your trying to compensate for something

[britishboy]

that is so shallow, haven't you heard the beatles song money can't buy you love. Have you not seen Citizen Kane?

Also Jack you can't make blank carpet statements, you can't be certain that a short, bald, spotty fat person with yellow teeth has never been happy. Either support it with evidence or don't say it

You can have money well, it just shows that your trying to compensate for something

im happy because of looks, money and family + friends, and yes of course the ugly dude would be happy alot but do you not think he would want better looks? and I made a thread on this

[Eddie.37]

If by no money you mean that we go back to barter, it would be really inconvenient for a number of reasons:
1. We won't be able to measure EXACTLY what something is worth, and one or the other might not get what his goods or services really are worth because there's no way of measuring.

2. If you want to sell something, you can only sell it to someone who wants what you're selling and has what you want. Now that's highly inconvenient if you run out of toilet paper and only have canned ham to offer in exchange. (you get the point)

3. When you have like your life savings in terms of corn, and they all get rotten before you trade all of it off, what are you gonna do about it?

There's probably more, but that's all I can think of.

On the other hand, if by no money you mean anyone can just waltz in the department store and get anything you want, there'll be no way no allocate our scarce resources to satisfy our infinite wants and needs. In short, there'll be no more Economics and we'll probably suck this planet dry of everything in a few days.

[Harry Smith]

im happy because of looks, money and family + friends, and yes of course the ugly dude would be happy alot but do you not think he would want better looks? and I made a thread on this

your so arrogant, it's unbelievable

[britishboy]

your so arrogant, it's unbelievable

hows it arrogant? some things make you happy, others dont and
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=178889

[chrisf55]

I don't think eliminating money would be good for anybody. People would lose all reason to work, because everything is free, but once people stopped working, things would stop being made, and the world would lose all technology.

[Hyper]

If by no money you mean that we go back to barter, it would be really inconvenient for a number of reasons:
1. We won't be able to measure EXACTLY what something is worth, and one or the other might not get what his goods or services really are worth because there's no way of measuring.


Just because you get paid in currency right now for your work does not mean the ''value'' of your work has been ''exactly measured''

Value is relative. And in the economy its relative to demand & supply. What I mean to say there really is no way to ''measure'' value right now the market (read people) create value constantly via commerce.

Ehh not that I am arguing with you just wanted to clarify...

[britishboy]

Just because you get paid in currency right now for your work does not mean the ''value'' of your work has been ''exactly measured''

Value is relative. And in the economy its relative to demand & supply. What I mean to say there really is no way to ''measure'' value right now the market (read people) create value constantly via commerce.

Ehh not that I am arguing with you just wanted to clarify...

you have no clue on economics

[Stronk Serb]

im happy because of looks, money and family + friends, and yes of course the ugly dude would be happy alot but do you not think he would want better looks? and I made a thread on this

That truly is shallow. Some people might not think that I am attractive, but I couldn't care less. Ome will appreciate both my looks ad personality or just personality or looks. I find little joy in money because I can hoard it to ridiculously large amounts afraid to spend it on something.

[britishboy]

That truly is shallow. Some people might not think that I am attractive, but I couldn't care less. Ome will appreciate both my looks ad personality or just personality or looks. I find little joy in money because I can hoard it to ridiculously large amounts afraid to spend it on something.

yeah it only makes you happy if you spend it

[Stronk Serb]

you have no clue on economics



Actually that is true what Hyper said. An example: I bought a video game for 50 euros today. The next year, that game costs 30 abd the next year 15 euros. Probably equal amounts of time were spent on the original game and another game which was made 2 years after the first. The reason why it dropped in price is:
1. The retailer wants to clear storage
2. The retailer, instead of throwing it away wants to make a bit of money
3. There are few people who could not buy the game initially, but they can now.
Of course, the game's initial retail value is always larger then the value of that same game when the retailer bought it from the distributor. The game which costs 50 euros probably was bought from the distributor for 15-20 euros or even less. The prices are governed by quantity of something and then the quality.

yeah it only makes you happy if you spend it

Not really. I do not like spending money on trinkets which cost 15 euros, but are worth 2 euros. Only food and games on sale on Steam and clothes and MAYBE some stuff for my computer.

[britishboy]

Actually that is true what Hyper said. An example: I bought a video game for 50 euros today. The next year, that game costs 30 abd the next year 15 euros. Probably equal amounts of time were spent on the original game and another game which was made 2 years after the first. The reason why it dropped in price is:
1. The retailer wants to clear storage
2. The retailer, instead of throwing it away wants to make a bit of money
3. There are few people who could not buy the game initially, but they can now.
Of course, the game's initial retail value is always larger then the value of that same game when the retailer bought it from the distributor. The game which costs 50 euros probably was bought from the distributor for 15-20 euros or even less. The prices are governed by quantity of something and then the quality.

items are worth what people are prepared to pay for them

[Hyper]

Lol ''you have no clue''

Then coming back in and backing up what I said.

Solid 10/10 on reading comprehension.

[tovaris]

items are worth what people are prepared to pay for them

Exactly by the market not the work spend on them, in a monyless world thisnis unnecesery.

[Troy35216]

I saw the title of the post and thot it said "A monkeyless world" and i thot Why does he want a world without monkeys?

[britishboy]

Exactly by the market not the work spend on them, in a monyless world thisnis unnecesery.

so we should completely change our countries because of this?

[tovaris]

so we should completely change our countries because of this?

"Du passé faisons table rase
Foule esclave, debout, debout
Le monde va changer de base"-Eugène Pottier

[britishboy]

"Du passé faisons table rase
Foule esclave, debout, debout
Le monde va changer de base"-Eugène Pottier

no one wants a clean sweap and this is an English forum not everyone speak other languages so stick to english please and lets use britian as an example why should us brits abandon our history and values when theres no problem

[tovaris]

no one wants a clean sweap and this is an English forum not everyone speak other languages so stick to english please and lets use britian as an example why should us brits abandon our history and values when theres no problem

This is not about abandoning history and values its about evolving and keeping the good values and creating new ones that make our society better history happend by people evolving theyr society and we should to.

[britishboy]

This is not about abandoning history and values its about evolving and keeping the good values and creating new ones that make our society better history happend by people evolving theyr society and we should to.

then why show me foreign propaganda in another language in the hope I cant speak it? and britian has its problems but communism is not needed and will only do harm

[tovaris]

then why show me foreign propaganda in another language in the hope I cant speak it? and britian has its problems but communism is not needed and will only do harm

For that descusion go to the thred communism.
It is the original language it was written in, so not to lose something in the translation, and it is not propaganda it just a song.

[Stronk Serb]

then why show me foreign propaganda in another language in the hope I cant speak it? and britian has its problems but communism is not needed and will only do harm

That is French. Not sure what it means though, but to whom will communism do harm? To the rich. To very rich people. Probably far richer then you. But because of that, you might get richer due to the fact that they could buy whole England if they wanted to. There is only gain or workers and minor richmen.

[peaceloveanarchy]

what do you think of the idea?
Do you think the world could function without money or anithing else to carie walue, everithing simply being free?

I personatly believe in such a world.

Edit:
This also aplies to any cind of curency or direct trade in goods.


Ah a kindred spirit :D What you describe is the essence of anarchism. People have been led to believe that we NEED government, money, authority, etc. To "keep us in line" This is a lie. Money isn't real, it only has the value we give it. Anarchists like myself want to see a world free from social hierarchy, power, and capitalism. Anarchy does not mean chaos, it means order without power. There is enough food/water/shelter/everything else for everybody on this planet, its the system that is the problem. From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs. Karl Marx (Who you may be familiar with, I saw your avatar ;) ) said "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" In a society where everyone contributed something to their commune/town/whatever group they happen to belong to, and in return everyone received the basic needs of life as well as a share of any commodities, luxuries, or other social wealth produced by the group, there would be no reason to steal, kill, or be a dick. We could all just chill, be happy, learn and grow together :) I suggest reading Emma Goldman's "Anarchism and Other Essays" linked in my sig. You likely won't agree with everything she has to say but she makes some excellent points and it will likely change the way you think

[britishboy]

For that descusion go to the thred communism.
It is the original language it was written in, so not to lose something in the translation, and it is not propaganda it just a song.

french, I speak it so no problem but many are now clueless as they dont know what you written, and its propaganda in the form of a song if you ask me

[tovaris]

Ah a kindred spirit :D What you describe is the essence of anarchism. People have been led to believe that we NEED government, money, authority, etc. To "keep us in line" This is a lie. Money isn't real, it only has the value we give it. Anarchists like myself want to see a world free from social hierarchy, power, and capitalism. Anarchy does not mean chaos, it means order without power. There is enough food/water/shelter/everything else for everybody on this planet, its the system that is the problem. From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs. Karl Marx (Who you may be familiar with, I saw your avatar ;) ) said "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" In a society where everyone contributed something to their commune/town/whatever group they happen to belong to, and in return everyone received the basic needs of life as well as a share of any commodities, luxuries, or other social wealth produced by the group, there would be no reason to steal, kill, or be a dick. We could all just chill, be happy, learn and grow together :) I suggest reading Emma Goldman's "Anarchism and Other Essays" linked in my sig. You likely won't agree with everything she has to say but she makes some excellent points and it will likely change the way you think

Anarhist and communists are brothers thay come from the same spring and go to the same sea (goal). A equal society i wouldent take it to a conpletly stateless stathe thow personaly but as close to that...

french, I speak it so no problem but many are now clueless as they dont know what you written, and its propaganda in the form of a song if you ask me

Google advanced search will clear it up.
Stil not propaganda its poetry.

[peaceloveanarchy]

Anarhist and communists are brothers thay come from the same spring and go to the same sea (goal). A equal society i wouldent take it to a conpletly stateless stathe thow personaly but as close to that...

Ah, but the state is the problem, every example of "communism" thus far has been authoritarian, and thus fallen victim to the corruption and inequality that always comes with power

[britishboy]

Anarhist and communists are brothers thay come from the same spring and go to the same sea (goal). A equal society i wouldent take it to a conpletly stateless stathe thow personaly but as close to that...



Google advanced search will clear it up.
Stil not propaganda its poetry.

alright so if I sing a song promoting terrorism or treason, its not propaganda? yeah it is.

[tovaris]

Ah, but the state is the problem, every example of "communism" thus far has been authoritarian, and thus fallen victim to the corruption and inequality that always comes with power

You see we should be working together to the ultimate world theory and sistem ... :)
In history there were negotiations.

alright so if I sing a song promoting terrorism or treason, its not propaganda? yeah it is.

Read the entire thing, i even sent you the link to a english version a few times, not propaganda a revolutionary song of the entire left.

[peaceloveanarchy]

You see we should be working together to the ultimate world theory and sistem ... :)

Agreed :) No one said there was one absolute, end-all solution. I'm sure post-revolution, after all the evil corporate bastards in power now have been de-throned, there will be a variety of social and economic systems in place, its a big planet. As long as the people are free to choose for themselves and nobody is imposing their will on others. What is freedom if everybody is the fucking same?

[britishboy]

You see we should be working together to the ultimate world theory and sistem ... :)
In history there were negotiations.



Read the entire thing, i even sent you the link to a english version a few times, not propaganda a revolutionary song of the entire left.

I speak flaunt French and Spanish:D im fine lol communism cant work because people will be lazy and take advantage of the system

[tovaris]

I speak flaunt French and Spanish:D im fine lol communism cant work because people will be lazy and take advantage of the system

Go to thread communism and read past answers to that statement of lazynes

Agreed :) No one said there was one absolute, end-all solution. I'm sure post-revolution, after all the evil corporate bastards in power now have been de-throned, there will be a variety of social and economic systems in place, its a big planet. As long as the people are free to choose for themselves and nobody is imposing their will on others. What is freedom if everybody is the fucking same?

Not the same equal and free to chose.
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=172091

[britishboy]

Go to thread communism and read past answers to that statement of lazynes

you never give a good answer! can you honestly say that 100% of people will try there best

[tovaris]

you never give a good answer! can you honestly say that 100% of people will try there best

At lest 90per cent, but noone can say for certen it defenatly wouldnt drop below 85 per cent which is stil exapteble ant the 25per cent not doing their best would be aducated and thus reduce their number
.
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=172091

[peaceloveanarchy]

Maticek, I understand that equality and freedom of choice aren't one and the same, what i am saying is that in a world where everyone is equal, there would exist many different groups of people with different beliefs on how things should be. You would have your marxists, anarcho-communists/syndicalists/primitivists/whateverivists, and everyone could live in the type of community/commune/squat/whatever that best suited them. Or they could tell everyone else to fuck off and go live in the wilderness alone :D because its their life and they can do that :)

[britishboy]

At lest 90per cent, but noone can say for certen it defenatly wouldnt drop below 85 per cent which is stil exapteble ant the 25per cent not doing their best would be aducated and thus reduce their number
.
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=172091

I would say 99.998% of brits are against communism so how ob earth are you gobna get 90% of us to agree

[tovaris]

Maticek, I understand that equality and freedom of choice aren't one and the same, what i am saying is that in a world where everyone is equal, there would exist many different groups of people with different beliefs on how things should be. You would have your marxists, anarcho-communists/syndicalists/primitivists/whateverivists, and everyone could live in the type of community/commune/squat/whatever that best suited them. Or they could tell everyone else to fuck off and go live in the wilderness alone :D because its their life and they can do that :)

Such a world would function wery good since these sistems are mostly conpatible.

I would say 99.998% of brits are against communism so how ob earth are you gobna get 90% of us to agree

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=172091

[Harry Smith]

I would say 99.998% of brits are against communism so how ob earth are you gobna get 90% of us to agree

you can't just pluck figures out of the air

[Stronk Serb]

alright so if I sing a song promoting terrorism or treason, its not propaganda? yeah it is.



No. It is not.

[Stronk Serb]

I would say 99.998% of brits are against communism

Source?

[britishboy]

I made that figure up, but we are like the Americans, we generally hate communism

[peaceloveanarchy]

I made that figure up, but we are like the Americans, we generally hate communism

Even if the figure you just pulled out of your butt was accurate, it would still be subject to change. It's obvious the current system(s) don't work. We just have to wake people up to the fact that they're being deceived, poisoned, and controlled for profit and power. And that will take time. Propaganda won't help, people have to start thinking for themselves and arrive at their own conclusions. Once they start using their brains they will see the flaws and everything they have been taught will begin to fall apart. When the majority of people are awake, then we can actually do something about it. The revolution isn't going to happen tomorrow, just like humanity wasn't enslaved in a day.

[tovaris]

Even if the figure you just pulled out of your butt was accurate, it would still be subject to change. It's obvious the current system(s) don't work. We just have to wake people up to the fact that they're being deceived, poisoned, and controlled for profit and power. And that will take time. Propaganda won't help, people have to start thinking for themselves and arrive at their own conclusions. Once they start using their brains they will see the flaws and everything they have been taught will begin to fall apart. When the majority of people are awake, then we can actually do something about it. The revolution isn't going to happen tomorrow, just like humanity wasn't enslaved in a day.

Exactly, education education ===evolution

[britishboy]

Even if the figure you just pulled out of your butt was accurate, it would still be subject to change. It's obvious the current system(s) don't work. We just have to wake people up to the fact that they're being deceived, poisoned, and controlled for profit and power. And that will take time. Propaganda won't help, people have to start thinking for themselves and arrive at their own conclusions. Once they start using their brains they will see the flaws and everything they have been taught will begin to fall apart. When the majority of people are awake, then we can actually do something about it. The revolution isn't going to happen tomorrow, just like humanity wasn't enslaved in a day.

aren't you the idiot that told me 'dictators are good' and this 'revolution' is not gonna happen, our system may need change but communism is not the answer

[peaceloveanarchy]

aren't you the idiot that told me 'dictators are good' and this 'revolution' is not gonna happen, our system may need change but communism is not the answer

No, but thank you for calling me an idiot. I've never talked to you before in my life

[tovaris]

aren't you the idiot that told me 'dictators are good' and this 'revolution' is not gonna happen, our system may need change but communism is not the answer

No need for insults comerad, we are all comerads here.

[britishboy]

No need for insults comerad, we are all comerads here.

true:) and people dont want communism, we may want change, our system may be floored but we want to fix that, communism is not the answer, in britian we have free health care and benefits, why would we want or need communism?

[tovaris]

true:) and people dont want communism, we may want change, our system may be floored but we want to fix that, communism is not the answer, in britian we have free health care and benefits, why would we want or need communism?

Again with the topics this is about the wider concept of a world about money go to thread communism to descus this part. And it will work trust me.

[britishboy]

Again with the topics this is about the wider concept of a world about money go to thread communism to descus this part. And it will work trust me.

does britian need it? no. few countries do and our current communist countries are not helping you cause

[tovaris]

does britian need it? no. few countries do and our current communist countries are not helping you cause

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=172091

[britishboy]

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=172091

so no country has ever had communism? and you think in this ge where human rights and welfare is increasingly that communism will succeed?

[Human]

I don't think a world without currency could work on a global scale...
How would the world progress? Big projects like the LHC at CERN wouldn't be built, what would be the incentive? No one have money to spend on cool cars and TVs, but who would make the TVs, for no money?

[tovaris]

so no country has ever had communism? and you think in this ge where human rights and welfare is increasingly that communism will succeed?

Not on directly on topic of a world without money
Go to: http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=172091, and quote there