Northern Ireland/ Republic of Ireland

[jayyy-lmao]

So what are your views on this?
For those of you who don't know, Ireland is one island but two countries. Six counties in the North are part of Great Britain, and are called Northern Ireland, while the remaining twenty six counties are the Republic of Ireland. Many years of civil war and "The Troubles" have gone on over the six counties, with the IRA performing terrorist acts.

My own personal view, as an Irish citizen from the Republic, is that those six counties are Ireland. Ireland is our country. Britain had it's day with conquering and ruling. Give us back our country like you gave back everyone else's country. Families have fought, brother against brother, and it all could have been avoided if you had just gave us our whole country back in the first place.

[Stronk Serb]

Honestly, the UK doesn't want to budge because then for example, Scotland could demand independence. Ireland should be completely independent.

[britishboy]

So what are your views on this?
For those of you who don't know, Ireland is one island but two countries. Six counties in the North are part of Great Britain, and are called Northern Ireland, while the remaining twenty six counties are the Republic of Ireland. Many years of civil war and "The Troubles" have gone on over the six counties, with the IRA performing terrorist acts.

My own personal view, as an Irish citizen from the Republic, is that those six counties are Ireland. Ireland is our country. Britain had it's day with conquering and ruling. Give us back our country like you gave back everyone else's country. Families have fought, brother against brother, and it all could have been avoided if you had just gave us our whole country back in the first place.

YES LEAVE HAHA BO BRITISH MAN WANTS THE NI BECAUSE THEN WE WILL BE KNOW AS GREAT BRITAIN HAHAHAHA THE REPUBLIC OF IRELANDS ECONOMY IS SHIT ANDD NO PLACE ON THE WORLD STAGE, a lot of people up north want to be British so I think they should vote but as most brits I dont care about ireland, no one does, you left us to be great and your.... shit:D

[jayyy-lmao]

YES LEAVE HAHA BO BRITISH MAN WANTS THE NI BECAUSE THEN WE WILL BE KNOW AS GREAT BRITAIN HAHAHAHA THE REPUBLIC OF IRELANDS ECONOMY IS SHIT ANDD NO PLACE ON THE WORLD STAGE, a lot of people up north want to be British so I think they should vote but as most brits I dont care about ireland, no one does, you left us to be great and your.... shit:D

You know that's very disrespectful to the country I would gladly give my life for. If you're gonna hammer my country, then you and "Great" Britain can fuck right off.

[Emerald Dream]

The personal attacks are going to stop, or I am locking this thread and we can have a conversation privately.

[britishboy]

You know that's very disrespectful to the country I would gladly give my life for. If you're gonna hammer my country, then you and "Great" Britain can fuck right off.

give your life for Ireland? lol and Great Britain is our name and the UK'S is the United Kingdom of Great Britian and its true were all hapoy for you to have NI we donr want it and maybe it could help your economy? not sure and its 50/50 most like britian and if they dont they can move to the republic and they should vote just like the Falklands did, I dont like or dislike ireland I simply dont care, for example I dislike communist countries and LOVE Australia but Ireland just dont care

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I would honestly like to see Ireland united one day, but I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon. The Protestans living in Northern Ireland don't want to leave the UK, and it mostly comes down to the religious clashes with the Catholics in the Republic.

The entirety of Ireland should be independent. So should Scotland. It's about damn time.

give your life for Ireland? lol and Great Britain is our name and the UK'S is the United Kingdom of Great Britian and its true were all hapoy for you to have NI we donr want it and maybe it could help your economy? not sure and its 50/50 most like britian and if they dont they can move to the republic and they should vote just like the Falklands did, I dont like or dislike ireland I simply dont care, for example I dislike communist countries and LOVE Australia but Ireland just dont care

The UK actually means United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Great Britain was a single Kingdom made up of the former Kingdom of England and Kingdom of Scotland.

[jayyy-lmao]

The Protestans living in Northern Ireland don't want to leave the UK, and it mostly comes down to the religious clashes with the Catholics in the Republic.

I'm a goddamn Protestant, and it bloody sucks when you attend a Catholic school.
1- They automatically assume you're British.
2- They're scared to make "United Ireland" comments because they think Imma blow em up after.
But the Nordy Proddies need to get a grip. Wanna be British? MOVE TO FUCKING BRITAIN.

[britishboy]

I would honestly like to see Ireland united one day, but I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon. The Protestans living in Northern Ireland don't want to leave the UK, and it mostly comes down to the religious clashes with the Catholics in the Republic.

The entirety of Ireland should be independent. So should Scotland. It's about damn time.



The UK actually means United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Great Britain was a single Kingdom made up of the former Kingdom of England and Kingdom of Scotland.

and if you get rid of Ireland it would be great Britain thats rhe point I was making miss know it all and I think they should vote like Scotland is and Scotlands different to Ireland because they want to stay in the commonwealth be friendly with the uk and of course still have her majesty and if they go independent they will gain it peacefully so I wish Scotland the best of luck where as Ireland left for racist reasons and hated the queen etc and lets be honest they failed at the whole independent country thing, northern Ireland should vote and britian is no great country I just hate racists and my favorite country is Australia

[britishboy]

I'm a goddamn Protestant, and it bloody sucks when you attend a Catholic school.
1- They automatically assume you're British.
2- They're scared to make "United Ireland" comments because they think Imma blow em up after.
But the Nordy Proddies need to get a grip. Wanna be British? MOVE TO FUCKING BRITAIN.

the same could be said about the northern irish just move to the republic and do you guys actually care about this lol its so lame haha

[Left Now]

Ireland is an Island.Not a continent.
If there wants to be an election there,all of the residents of that Island have to vote not just Northern Irishes.It is my idea.
But Falklands is something else.Whole Island want to be british and no one can force them to not be.
But Ireland is something else too.

[britishboy]

Ireland is an Island.Not an continent.
If there wants to be an election there,all of the residents of that Island have to vote not just Northern Irishes.It is my idea.
But Falklands is something else.Whole Island want to be british and no one can force them to not be.
But Ireland is something else too.

exactly and fuck them argentinas:D if they wanna go they should go but I know maby irish people who have immigrated to Britain because they hate the republic or for jobs because the Irish economy sucks and the Falklands will always be British as long as they continue to want to

[Azunite]

Although called "United Kingdom", everyone knows that for everyone else they are English countries, not English and Gaellic, Scottish and Irish.

NI could vote whether they want to join the Republich of Ireland or not, whereas the Republic could vote whether they want NI or not.

Though that is quite utopic, it is absurd that Westminister Abbey would arrange such a voting process.

[britishboy]

Although called "United Kingdom", everyone knows that for everyone else they are English countries, not English and Gaellic, Scottish and Irish.

NI could vote whether they want to join the Republich of Ireland or not, whereas the Republic could vote whether they want NI or not.

Though that is quite utopic, it is absurd that Westminister Abbey would arrange such a voting process.

of course they cant? thats abit of a stupid statement wr cant vote to own france? argentina cant vote to steal the Falkland island

[Left Now]

Still i am saying Irish island have to vote not just the republic or not just the northern part.
Because it is an Island and can be independent for itself.

[britishboy]

Still i am saying Irish island have to vote not just the republic or not just the northern part.
Because it is an Island and can be independent for itself.

no theyre its like England and Wales or North Ireland are not voting in scottish independence

[Left Now]

If the central government let,both Scotchs and Wales i think will vote to be independent.

[tovaris]

the simpoest solution would be to give them their own country, they say they are the northen irish nation so let them have they own republic of northen ireland

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

and if you get rid of Ireland it would be great Britain thats rhe point I was making miss know it all and I think they should vote like Scotland is and Scotlands different to Ireland because they want to stay in the commonwealth be friendly with the uk and of course still have her majesty and if they go independent they will gain it peacefully so I wish Scotland the best of luck where as Ireland left for racist reasons and hated the queen etc and lets be honest they failed at the whole independent country thing, northern Ireland should vote and britian is no great country I just hate racists and my favorite country is Australia

First thing's first, you should look up the definition of racism.

We've established the fact that the Northern Irish want to remain a part of the UK. That's not what we're debating here. So does Scotland. That's not because they give a damn about the Queen, or like the British, but it's because it would take them years, if not decades to kick off their economy.

Also, it's pretty damn obvious that the Irish achieved their goal. They wanted an independent Ireland, and they got it. Granted, not the whole of it, but that's far from nothing.

[britishboy]

First thing's first, you should look up the definition of racism.

We've established the fact that the Northern Irish want to remain a part of the UK. That's not what we're debating here. So does Scotland. That's not because they give a damn about the Queen, or like the British, but it's because it would take them years, if not decades to kick off their economy.

Also, it's pretty damn obvious that the Irish achieved their goal. They wanted an independent Ireland, and they got it. Granted, not the whole of it, but that's far from nothing.

your mostlu right and they can leave our economy easily, its because they still want to be friendly with us and want the queen but want there own economy as they believe they can do better with out us(and so do i) whete as Ireland hating the queen and was racist to the British (IRA) and there.economy failed and we have loafs of irish in britian now because tjey were scared to leave the uk and for jobs

[TheDeepestDepths]

Wow, I never thought I'd see a thread about this on this site.

I studied Northern Ireland and the formation of the Republic for my History Leaving Cert. and from what I've learnt I can honestly say that I don't think the six counties of Northern Ireland will ever join the Republic ever again and nor should they.

Ireland fought for something like three hundred years to free themselves from the British and before that we were fighting against the Scandinavians who invaded. Irish history is a long and bloody story about a small and fairly insignificant (let's face it, it is) country trying to free itself from it oppressors.

But it happened.

It happened, and the English Protestants settled here, in the North, they have formed ties to the country itself but have also retained their ties to the original country: Britain. And I feel that's okay, how many Irish families have Scandinavian ancestry? A massive percentage. Do people care anymore? Of course not.

The people of the North had no issue calling themselves Irish but still wanting to retain the link to England. And in all honesty, if the Republic had remained part of the Commonwealth, our economy would not have been in such dire straits as it was, we would have had England's support.

During the formation of the Republic, England had lost interest in Ireland completely. We were a minor annoyance to them, they would have been perfectly happy to give us the North but they also felt as though the people of the North should have the right to chose where they belonged. So England decided that they would not force the people of the North to cut all ties with their country. The Ireland Act 1949 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_Act_1949) was the first legal guarantee given by the British that the North would not cease to be part of Great Britain without the consent of the majority of it's citizens. The people were given the opportunity to opt out of the Free State and they took it.

"Most Gracious Sovereign, We, your Majesty's most dutiful and loyal subjects, the Senators and Commons of Northern Ireland in Parliament assembled, having learnt of the passing of the Irish Free State Constitution Act 1922, being the Act of Parliament for the ratification of the Articles of Agreement for a Treaty between Great Britain and Ireland, do, by this humble Address, pray your Majesty that the powers of the Parliament and Government of the Irish Free State shall no longer extend to Northern Ireland"

Religion was brought up, so I will address that. The Protestant North feared belonging to a Catholic ruled country, assuming (rightly) that they would be discriminated against. Just as the Catholic Ireland feared being ruled by the Protestant England.

The North cannot survive as a country on it's own. It's much too small and the economy would collapse almost instantly. But the people there do not want to be a country on their own; they want the extremely beneficial ties to England, and if England is offering, why shouldn't they have them?

The Troubles were caused mainly by the Nationalist Catholics who were unfortunate enough to be living in the wrong part of the island. They deserve their say, yes, but at the end of the day, the majority of the people there are Unionist Protestants. Majority rules, it's the way of democracy.

Don't get me wrong, I live in the Republic and am very proud to be a part of a country which fought for freedom for so long. But, in regards to the North and especially with all the blood spilled already over it, I think Ireland should live and let die.

[Left Now]

Ireland didn't have a good industrial basics and resources i think is required for independence,because during the British reign they lost all of it.But still they are okay with their country,it is independent.
However,Iran has a good industrial basics and resources,but we have a lot of problems with the increasing of the costs like Ireland(but it will be better after the election),because of sanctions.It doesn't mean if their economy is bad,their management of financial resources is bad.It is because UK used a lot of their resources during its reign,
Like in 18th and 19th century in Iran and in China and other countries in colonization.

[Harry Smith]

Ireland didn't have a good industrial basics and resources i think is required for independence,because during the British reign they lost all of it.But still they are okay with their country,it is independent.
However,Iran has a good industrial basics and resources,but we have a lot of problems with the increasing of the costs like Ireland(but it will be better after the election),because of sanctions.It doesn't mean if their economy is bad,their management of financial resources is bad.It is because UK used a lot of their resources during its reign,
Like in 18th and 19th century in Iran and in China and other countries in colonization.

Ireland didn't really have any resources to drain from it in the 1500's, you make it out like we stole all there oil or something during the troubles. Ireland wasn't a colony either. Your just doing the typical 'if the British did it it must be bad' routine that seems to belong to the whole of Iran

[Left Now]

It is because we haven't seen anything good in our countries in Middle East from UK.All things we saw were wars,looting of resources,stealing the crops of our farmers,betrayal,food shortages and ...
Also,Ireland didn't have enough resources before occupation,but after England captured it,Ireland didn't have anything only potato infertile famrlands.