Terrorist Attack in London

[jayyy-lmao]

So, about this attack. It's a horrible tragedy, a man being hacked to death in broad daylight. Horrible. Now, I was just watching the news, as you do, and I heard them say "Two men have been arrested in connection with the attack. They are Muslim extremists"
Woah woah woah.
Who gives a fuck if they're Christian, Muslim, Islam, Jewish or anything else?
WHY does it have to be stated that they are MUSLIM extremists? It makes people think all Muslims are like that. Which is wrong.
Any thoughts?

[Cicero]

You're being over dramatic about it.

It's important cause people need to know what type of group they come from. If they were from Russia, they would say Russian extremist, it helps people know their motive.

[Left Now]

Oh yes and if they were british extermists the government wouldn't tell anythings? Right?

You can see the people of england still are burning The Guy in fifth of November


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[Cicero]

You can see the people of england still are burning The Guy in fifth of November

Wasn't that from V from Vendetta? Remember, remember, the fifth of November. Yes, that is from V! Agh, I love that movie!

But I don't get what you're trying to say.

[Josh Morgan]

I think maybe the problem is that that Muslim in certain countries is as much of a political thing as it is a religious thing. I think all these different countries are called the Nation of Islam and are collectively referred to as Muslims, instead of something more geographic like Chinese or political like Communists. But I don't know much about it so i may be wrong.

[Left Now]

Wasn't that from V from Vendetta? Remember, remember, the fifth of November. Yes, that is from V! Agh, I love that movie!

But I don't get what you're trying to say.

Have you ever read about Guy Fawkes?He tried to assassinate King James I while Protestan English forces occupied Catholic Ireland.But he failed and they hanged him.
Since that time,English citizens celebrate the fifth of November to show their happiness from the survival of their King,while the Irish people wereregretful because of his failure.
Now with telling they were muslims,the British government want to rise the public hate against muslims,like what they've done to Irish Catholics during 15th to 17th century.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsDnLqqjR--9zYG61SDBRacVhdyGNLymejjrrPnU7CY9_-6CoFkQ

[jayyy-lmao]

Oh yes and if they were british extermists the government wouldn't tell anythings? Right?

But here is the thing:
One of the men is British. Born in Lamberth. He's fighting and killing his fellow Britons for a country he has never seen.
Like WHAT

Have you ever read about Guy Fawkes?He tried to assassinate King James I while Protestan English forces occupied Catholic Ireland.But he failed and they hanged him.
Since that time,English citizens celebrate the fifth of November to show their happiness from the survival of their King,while the Irish people wereregretful because of his failure.
Now with telling they were muslims,the British government want to rise the public hate against muslims,like what they've done to Irish Catholics during 15th to 17th century.

image (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsDnLqqjR--9zYG61SDBRacVhdyGNLymejjrrPnU7CY9_-6CoFkQ)

And, granted, being Irish myself, there are still feelings there about Northern Ireland and British rule, but we don't project them. Mostly.
But yeah, the government is trying to turn people against areligion. That's like saying "The Catholic church in Ireland had that rape/molestation scandal, let's turn against them completely."
But no one would say that because wronging Catholics gets you in trouble.


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[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

People are being overly sensitive about it. The keyword in that sentence should be extremist, not Muslim.

Even Cameron himself said that there's nothing in the Muslim faith to justify this attack. No one's blaming Islam for what happened.

[jayyy-lmao]

People are being overly sensitive about it. The keyword in that sentence should be extremist, not Muslim.

Even Cameron himself said that there's nothing in the Muslim faith to justify this attack. No one's blaming Islam for what happened.

"There's nothing in the Muslim faith to justify this attack,"
Heck, there's nothing in ANY faith to justify that attack. It sorta sounds like "Muslims have no reasons. But if it's our soldiers in their country, we have a reason."

[britishboy]

they were muslim extremists no one said all Muslims are like and they even said they were doing it for islam, they would do the same if it was an Christian extremist

[jayyy-lmao]

they were muslim extremists no one said all Muslims are like and they even said they were doing it for islam, they would do the same if it was an Christian extremist

But you never hear of Christian Extremists because what Christians do in the extreme is shove their faith in people's faces

[britishboy]

But you never hear of Christian Extremists because what Christians do in the extreme is shove their faith in people's faces

no thays completly un true ever herd of the KKK and its because thay are shouting out islam sayings

[Horatio Nelson]

Islam is more political than religious. But that's for another time.

The fact that these men are muslim amd did it for their "faith" would class them as religious extremists. I really don't see the problem.

I'm also getting the feeling that you are more worried about these men being given a label rather than this soldier who gave his life for his country and was brutally and unjustly killed.

[britishboy]

Islam is more political than religious. But that's for another time.

The fact that these men are muslim amd did it for their "faith" would class them as religious extremists. I really don't see the problem.

I'm also getting the feeling that you are more worried about these men being given a title rather than this soldier who gave his life for his country and was brutally and unjustly killed.

exactly my point:)

[HockeyLovesMe]

Wasn't that from V from Vendetta? Remember, remember, the fifth of November. Yes, that is from V! Agh, I love that movie!

But I don't get what you're trying to say.

i love that movie to :)

and ya i dnt think it rly matters who does it but ya its just the facts of the story so they say it like it is

[Human]

I don't care whether the guy killed was a soldier, or the people who did it were Muslims. A man got killed and we should be thinking about that, not the war on terror.

And I will probably get hated for saying this, but unfortunately in China hundreds of people died and thousands were displaced by an earthquake. A building collapsed in Bangladesh killed hundreds. There are other issues we need to think about as just as many people or more died.

[jayyy-lmao]

no thays completly un true ever herd of the KKK and its because thay are shouting out islam sayings

The KKK has become less and less, well, out there. I would no longer consider the KKK a serious threat to any coloured people, anywhere.

Islam is more political than religious. But that's for another time.

The fact that these men are muslim amd did it for their "faith" would class them as religious extremists. I really don't see the problem.

I'm also getting the feeling that you are more worried about these men being given a label rather than this soldier who gave his life for his country and was brutally and unjustly killed.

I think it's horrible that we have to say they are Muslim extremists. It's a horrible tragedy that this soldier was killed for no good reason, but proclaiming publicly that the men are Muslim tars everyone with the one brush. Why can't we just say "Religious Extremists" instead of specifically stating what religion it is? It doesn't matter who you are, white, coloured, English, American, Catholic, Muslim, you still did what you did. It's like they're saying "We are going to purposefully state these men are Muslim to turn the mass uneducated public against them for absolutely no reason."


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[britishboy]

The KKK has become less and less, well, out there. I would no longer consider the KKK a serious threat to any coloured people, anywhere.



I think it's horrible that we have to say they are Muslim extremists. It's a horrible tragedy that this soldier was killed for no good reason, but proclaiming publicly that the men are Muslim tars everyone with the one brush. Why can't we just say "Religious Extremists" instead of specifically stating what religion it is? It doesn't matter who you are, white, coloured, English, American, Catholic, Muslim, you still did what you did. It's like they're saying "We are going to purposefully state these men are Muslim to turn the mass uneducated public against them for absolutely no reason."


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the kkk is still a threat and you know what I mean we still talk about it your just immature and cant admit your wrong and 'muslim.extremist' is just additional information and David Cameron has meet islam leaders and the mayor of London has said it would be wrong to blame Islam, you are uneducated and should research before posting stuff like this.

[Left Now]

Those men have to be punished!
They were murders and it means they are close minded.
In my country we will execute them.They must be shameful to do such a thing like this to that soldier.Killing people means killing humankind.
And now because they were called Muslims,If i could,i would kill them with my own hands because they are destroying the face of Islam.

[britishboy]

Those men have to be punished!
They were murders and it means they are close minded.
In my country we will execute them.They must be shameful to do such a thing like this to that soldier.Killing people means killing humankind.
And now because they were called Muslims,If i could,i would kill them with my own hands because they are destroying the face of Islam.

you speak so much sence:) and when thet get better they will go to court and most likely get life imprisonment

[Left Now]

You cannot understand my feelings friend!Those men played with my beliefs and call themselves Muslims,It is not acceptable for me.Also,maybe that soldier killed many innocent muslims,but they were not allowed to kill him and in the name of Holy Islam.
If they had problems with him,they could go to the court and complain about him.
Why did they kill him like Stone-age people?

[jayyy-lmao]

Those men have to be punished!
They were murders and it means they are close minded.
In my country we will execute them.They must be shameful to do such a thing like this to that soldier.Killing people means killing humankind.
And now because they were called Muslims,If i could,i would kill them with my own hands because they are destroying the face of Islam.

I agree. They're destroying the face of their religion.

[StoppingTime]

But you never hear of Christian Extremists because what Christians do in the extreme is shove their faith in people's faces

Sure, there may not be Christian "extremsits" killing in the name of their religion. That's not to say that Christians have not committed mass murders, though. For example, Adam Lanza was brought up Christian, and the Columbine shooters were of Christian denominations as well.

[jayyy-lmao]

Sure, there may not be Christian "extremsits" killing in the name of their religion. That's not to say that Christians have not committed mass murders, though. For example, Adam Lanza was brought up Christian, and the Columbine shooters were of Christian denominations as well.

Not familiar with them. Did they commit their crimes in the name of God?

[britishboy]

Not familiar with them. Did they commit their crimes in the name of God?

do you not think your missing the fact a off duty soilder has been brutally murdered in day light and your worrying about what the media says

[Sugaree]

Wasn't that from V from Vendetta? Remember, remember, the fifth of November. Yes, that is from V! Agh, I love that movie!

But I don't get what you're trying to say.

It's not from V from Vendetta. The fifth of November, in England, was the that the actual Guy Fawkes tried to blow up parliament. It happened centuries ago, but it's remembered mostly for being stopped JUST before the dude set fire to the device he had.

[britishboy]

It's not from V from Vendetta. The fifth of November, in England, was the that the actual Guy Fawkes tried to blow up parliament. It happened centuries ago, but it's remembered mostly for being stopped JUST before the dude set fire to the device he had.

he was executed for treason lol he failed because he wrote a note to a friend warning them to stay away from parliament, they told the authorities and they were caught red handed

[StoppingTime]

Not familiar with them. Did they commit their crimes in the name of God?

Adam Lanza was the one who killed 26 children in Newtown CT last year.

Columbine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre)...wow, I can't believe you don't know that.


And my point was that not all terrorists are Muslim extremists.

[Cicero]

Adam Lanza was the one who killed 26 children in Newtown CT last year.

Columbine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre)...wow, I can't believe you don't know that.


And my point was that not all terrorists are Muslim extremists.

They didnt kill in the name of God. Muslim terrorists do. There was something mentally wrong with the columbine shooters, so associating Christianity with it is wrong. Just because they were raised Christian doesn't mean they themselves were.

[Sugaree]

They didnt kill in the name of God. Muslim terrorists do.

And the guy who bombed abortion clinics in the 90s who was Christian wasn't killing in the name of his god? Is he not a terrorist? Or was he killing for the right god?

[The LOLer]

I don't know it seems every Muslim wants to kill everyone.

[Emerald Dream]

I don't know it seems every Muslim wants to kill everyone.

That's a horribly ignorant, and quite frankly...prejudiced thing to say.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

It is stupid. Really, Iran get over it. (Stupid arabians)

[Sugaree]

It is stupid. Really, Iran get over it. (Stupid arabians)

All the assumptions and generalizations in this thread is disgusting.

[drew6]

How did the Muslim guys know he was a soldier?
What lead up to this. Was there an argument or car accident? (I saw a wrecked car)

[Camazotz]

I don't know it seems every Muslim wants to kill everyone.

No, it doesn't seem like that at all. You are overgeneralizing.

It is stupid. Really, Iran get over it. (Stupid arabians)

I don't even know where you're going with this.

As for my thoughts about recent terrorist attacks, I'm not offended that the term "Muslim extremist" is used because the terrorists involved state that their motive is their religion/moral beliefs. While Islam is not necessarily a violent religion, its more extreme sects tend to preach violence (in the form of terrorism as opposed to riots) as opposed to civil disobedience. Groups like Al-Qaeda are one such example.

Although I am not Christian or Jewish, neither of these religions have extremist sects that preach violence in the form of terrorism. Yes, individuals that follow one of these religions may commit acts of terrorism, but there are no large groups that indoctrinate soldiers into their "religion" in the same way that Islamic extremists do.

No, not all Muslims are terrorists. In fact, very few are. But the fact remains that Islam has a higher rate of terrorist groups than any other current religion. No, they are not necessarily followers of "true Islam", but that's how they identify themselves. Individuals of other religions tend not to kill for religious reasons, and even if they do, they tend to be in small groups, nowhere near the size of some Islam extremist organizations.

I think maybe the problem is that that Muslim in certain countries is as much of a political thing as it is a religious thing. I think all these different countries are called the Nation of Islam and are collectively referred to as Muslims, instead of something more geographic like Chinese or political like Communists. But I don't know much about it so i may be wrong.

The Nation of Islam is a religious sect that branches off from "standard" Islam. I'm not an expert on the subject, I'm just aware of its existence through learning about Malcolm X and how it was a bit more extreme compared to what most Muslims practice. It tended to separate itself from society, and during the time of Malcolm X, it was more radical and supremacist. Feel free to research the topic more, or watch Spike Lee's film Malcolm X. It's well-made and may interest you.

[The LOLer]

That's a horribly ignorant, and quite frankly...prejudiced thing to say.

its true all i hear are musilim extremist in the news:/ sarry but thats the truth. they want to kill every non muslim.:/

[Emerald Dream]

its true all i hear are musilim extremist in the news:/ sarry but thats the truth. they want to kill every non muslim.:/

But you have to understand....

Not every Muslim is a terrorist. The comment is unfair to a lot of people, and quite frankly - it's offensive.

[Erasmus]

I don't care whether the guy killed was a soldier, or the people who did it were Muslims. A man got killed and we should be thinking about that, not the war on terror.

And I will probably get hated for saying this, but unfortunately in China hundreds of people died and thousands were displaced by an earthquake. A building collapsed in Bangladesh killed hundreds. There are other issues we need to think about as just as many people or more died.

I totally agree. Yeah, it's very sad that this man has died, but there's thousands of people being killed daily in other countries, and we should be just as concerned about them as we are victims of terrorism.

[Left Now]

There are many people in Africa who are dying from hunger.
Help them or they will die more!

[The LOLer]

But you have to understand....

Not every Muslim is a terrorist. The comment is unfair to a lot of people, and quite frankly - it's offensive.
I dont mean to offend... but its just a little strange its always a muslim

[Left Now]

Oh come on!Even didn't hear about Myanmar Buduhists who brunt a village full of muslims and massacred a lot of them and UK and US even didn't complain about it?
It is not always muslims,you just hear muslims.

[Harry Smith]

Have you ever read about Guy Fawkes?He tried to assassinate King James I while Protestan English forces occupied Catholic Ireland.But he failed and they hanged him.
Since that time,English citizens celebrate the fifth of November to show their happiness from the survival of their King,while the Irish people wereregretful because of his failure.
Now with telling they were muslims,the British government want to rise the public hate against muslims,like what they've done to Irish Catholics during 15th to 17th century.

image (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsDnLqqjR--9zYG61SDBRacVhdyGNLymejjrrPnU7CY9_-6CoFkQ)

what does Guy fawkes have to do with this? It happened over 300 years ago. The british Government are not trying to rise up hate against the muslims, the government don't even need to do that. The uneducated chavs already think that. The Government are trying to show people that this isn't what Islam is about

The Concern ism't that there Muslims, the Problem is that they were born here. They went to school with people here, they are British yet they want to carry out such dreadful attacks

[Left Now]

Well,it is better to know that they were british muslims.No one in Iran or Iraq will do this only a group of Salafits whom your government itself is supporting them like Saudi Arabia.

So these are muslims whom UK grew them.A group of racists who do not pay attention to what Quran says.Do not attach them with real muslims who are grown in Iran and other countries.

[britishboy]

Well,it is better to know that they were british muslims.No one in Iran or Iraq will do this only a group of Salafits whom your government itself is supporting them like Saudi Arabia.

So these are muslims whom UK grew them.A group of racists who do not pay attention to what Quran says.Do not attach them with real muslims who are grown in Iran and other countries.

were supporting no terrorists and one was actually converted to islam and they done it for islam but I agree not all Muslims are bad, but many are bad such as those happy about 9/ 11, most UK muslims love the Uk and the Queen.

[Harry Smith]

were supporting no terrorists and one was actually converted to islam and they done it for islam but I agree not all Muslims are bad, but many are bad such as those happy about 9/ 11, most UK muslims love the Uk and the Queen.

Why Bring up the Queen? Many British people openly dislike the monarchy. It does fuck all for us. If anything Muslims are probably against the Queen due the fact that Britain screwed over nearly 3 million Muslims when we divided India in 48

[britishboy]

Why Bring up the Queen? Many British people openly dislike the monarchy. It does fuck all for us. If anything Muslims are probably against the Queen due the fact that Britain screwed over nearly 3 million Muslims when we divided India in 48

most brits love the queem and she brings in billions in tourism and trade deals she also units us but you are right we do have republicans and in the history of the British empire we massacred many people

[Harry Smith]

most brits love the queem and she brings in billions in tourism and trade deals she also units us but you are right we do have republicans and in the history of the British empire we massacred many people

The house of Parliament brings in just as much tourism, as does the London eye. I also believe that a certain Death Camp in Poland brings in a lot of money for Poland. She has done fuck all regard to trade deals, has she ever personally negotiated a trade deal? No

[britishboy]

The house of Parliament brings in just as much tourism, as does the London eye. I also believe that a certain Death Camp in Poland brings in a lot of money for Poland. She has done fuck all regard to trade deals, has she ever personally negotiated a trade deal? No

im guessing your for a republic and if it aint broke dont fix it and its tradition and leaders of other monarchys prefer meeting other monarchs and you seem really anti britian lol maybe move to America or Australia? I LOVE Australia and I think they are nicer to gays

[Harry Smith]

im guessing your for a republic and if it aint broke dont fix it and its tradition and leaders of other monarchys prefer meeting other monarchs and you seem really anti britian lol maybe move to America or Australia? I LOVE Australia and I think they are nicer to gays

I've made a thread on it, Check on there

[sam927]

But you never hear of Christian Extremists because what Christians do in the extreme is shove their faith in people's faces

Excuse me, but have we forgotten about Anders Brevik, killing in 2011 almost 80 and injuring about 150 people, calling himself a Christian crusader? You cant call HIM a Christian extremist?

What about all the attacks on abortion clinics and abortion doctors, especially in the United States, done in the name of Christianity?

[Green Arrow]

Now with telling they were muslims,the British government want to rise the public hate against muslims,like what they've done to Irish Catholics during 15th to 17th century.[/URL]
Errrm no they're not. They're doing the exact oposite of that to be honest. They know that there is nothing in the Muslamic faith or any faith at all that would condem such a thing. Would you rather that they didn't know anything about this threat considering there might be more attacks like them. I think we're arguing about the wrong subject, we would be arguing about why/how could someone do such a thing? And are there going to be any more attacks?

But you never hear of Christian Extremists because what Christians do in the extreme is shove their faith in people's faces

Three words and a picture for you. Westbro Babtist Church

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[Twilly F. Sniper]

All the assumptions and generalizations in this thread is disgusting.

Not really? Apparently you don't have a clue who Saddam Hussein is? If you did, you'd know this isn't any sort of assumption.

[Camazotz]

Not really? Apparently you don't have a clue who Saddam Hussein is? If you did, you'd know this isn't any sort of assumption.

What do you mean this? I'm somewhat confused by what you're saying.

Excuse me, but have we forgotten about Anders Brevik, killing in 2011 almost 80 and injuring about 150 people, calling himself a Christian crusader? You cant call HIM a Christian extremist?

What about all the attacks on abortion clinics and abortion doctors, especially in the United States, done in the name of Christianity?

He most certainly is an extremist. And Christian extremist groups that burn and kill abortion clinics and doctors are also violent terrorist groups. However, the number of individuals (like Brevik) and groups (anti-abortion terrorists) are much fewer in numbers than Islamic terrorists (such as Al-Qaeda).

[Sugaree]

Not really? Apparently you don't have a clue who Saddam Hussein is? If you did, you'd know this isn't any sort of assumption.

You're assuming that every Arab or everyone of Arab descent is a terrorist or extremist, don't play us for idiots.

[Wakesetter03]

I've always been very curious as to why it seems that everyone terrorist attack seems to be Muslim related.

I am not as ignorant as to say that I am not aware of the Christian or other extremists, however it is portrayed through media as Muslims having a higher amount of extremists than other religions. Myself being atheist, I just don't get it.

As far as I know, Islam is actually a rather peaceful religion. I also doubt anyone would disagree that religious scriptures are highly subjective. Can anyone tell me whether the Islamic Quran has scriptures that allow subjective violence to be justified by the book easier than other religious scriptures, or is it a sign of where the religion originates (the Middle East can be a violent, hard place to live from what I have seen)?

Just wondering if anyone could answer that. Regardless, I find this whole attack disgusting and regardless of what religion they have 'justified' it from, and I should personally think that these people should be made an example of.

[Sharona]

Islam is ruining the UK, political correctness and crooked governments are too - but that's what is allowing Islam to expand where it shouldn't have - its changing and replacing the original culture and calling it evil and that it's wrong to oppose it

[Stronk Serb]

Islam is ruining the UK, political correctness and crooked governments are too - but that's what is allowing Islam to expand where it shouldn't have - its changing and replacing the original culture and calling it evil and that it's wrong to oppose it


Do not blame the religion. The mentality of it's followers is to blame. Those terrorists belong to a Islamic extremist sect. I bet that 90% of the Muslims do not belong to sects like that.

[Appypollylogges]

So, about this attack. It's a horrible tragedy, a man being hacked to death in broad daylight. Horrible. Now, I was just watching the news, as you do, and I heard them say "Two men have been arrested in connection with the attack. They are Muslim extremists"
Woah woah woah.
Who gives a fuck if they're Christian, Muslim, Islam, Jewish or anything else?
WHY does it have to be stated that they are MUSLIM extremists? It makes people think all Muslims are like that. Which is wrong.
Any thoughts?

YES!!!
Dear god I couldn't agree you with you more :)

[Sharona]

Because Muslim extremists are the ones out to hurt the most people at the moment

Yes blame Islam, these monsters are following the koranic teaching accurately - it's not a lovey dovey book of tolerance
They call it the religion of peace, but the peace they refer to is through the literal translation of 'Islam' - submission. When all are Muslim or killed or submit to Islamic rule they will have their peace. Except its a lie as Muslims as a whole cant live peacefully, the sects violently disagree