Boy scouts to allow gay members

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(CNN) -- [Breaking News Update, 6:13 p.m. Thursday]
Delegates to the annual meeting of the Boy Scouts of America made a monumental statement Thursday, voting to allow openly gay youths to join scouting.
The organization's 1,400-member national council voted for the policy change, which will take effect January 1.
"No youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone," says the approved resolution.
The BSA will maintain its ban on gay adult leaders.
[Original story, posted at 3 p.m. Thursday]
The eyes of the country are upon Texas today.
That's where 1,400 members of the Boy Scouts of America's National Council are voting on whether to end the 103-year-old group's outright ban on gay youths.
The outcome, to be announced in the late afternoon, follows months of intense debate among interest groups and within the ranks of Scouting itself.
It comes down to a single sentence at the end of a resolution: "No youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone."
If the policy change is approved, the BSA will maintain its ban on openly gay adult leaders.
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In February, the Boy Scouts' national executive board postponed a vote on the issue and ordered a survey of its members. That survey showed an organization divided by age and, in some cases, by region.
While most adults in the Scouting community support the BSA's current policy of "excluding open and avowed homosexuals, young parents and teens tend to oppose the policy."
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A BSA spokesman called the issue "among the most complex and challenging issues facing the BSA and society today."
A recent Washington Post-ABC News Poll showed that 63% of Americans said they would support allowing gay youths to join the Boy Scouts.
But 61% of surveyed adult members said they support the current BSA policy, which excludes gay youths and adult leaders, the group said.
The vote comes more than a decade after the Supreme Court ruled that the organization has the right to keep out gays but also at a time of declining participation in the American institution.
Membership in Boy Scouts has declined by about a third since 1999. About 2.7 million people now participate nationwide.
The Boy Scouts relies on "chartered organizations" to provide facilities and sponsorship for the individual units.
More than 70% of troops are affiliated with a church or religious groups. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Catholic Church sponsor 43% of troops in the country.
In April, the Utah-based Mormons said, "while the church has not launched any campaign either to effect or prevent a policy change, we have followed the discussion and are satisfied that BSA has made a thoughtful, good-faith effort to address issues."
The vote could have an impact in at least two Western states.
The heavily Mormon-populated states of Utah and Idaho reported that if a unilateral change in the policy were to be made, 97% of chartered organizations would probably leave the organization. The proposal that will be voted on Thursday would allow gay Scouts but forbid gay leaders, so it is unclear how many Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints churches would leave under those conditions.
The Catholic Church in the United States says it will strive to maintain ties with the BSA, regardless of the outcome.
"We would hope that the Boy Scouts of America will continue to provide young people a formative experience grounded in virtue and directed by service to God and others," the National Catholic Committee on Scouting said in February.
A full picture of opinions was not captured in the survey, according to the BSA.
"When the survey process was originally announced, several chartered organizations, including the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Baptist church, and many parents asked that their youth members not be contacted as part of the survey."
There's been no shortage of lobbying on the issue, which will be taken up at the BSA's annual meeting in Grapevine, Texas.
"This ban hurts kids and undermines key scouting values like helpfulness, friendliness and courteousness," says the Human Rights Campaign. "It's time to send a message of inclusion -- not discrimination."
James Dale, an Eagle Scout and former assistant troop leader who was kicked out of the Boy Scouts in 1990 because he is gay, criticized the proposal to continue the ban on adult leaders who are gay.
"The Boy Scouts have ruled with a tight fist and said that no gay member can be a part of the Boy Scouts, whether youth or adult," he said. "So, likewise, if they are going to end this policy, they need to end it from the top down and say 'we as the Boy Scouts of America are against discrimination.' "
In an opinion piece for USA Today on Wednesday, BSA President Wayne Perry endorsed the policy change. "Parents, adults in the Scouting community and teens alike tend to agree that youth should not be denied the benefits of Scouting," Perry wrote. "The resolution is not about adults; it is about what is best for young people."
Conservative groups and some religious organizations have argued against making any change, saying it would dilute the Boy Scout message of morality and potentially destroy the organization.
The Family Research Council says the vote is "critically important to the future of the Scouts and the moral fiber of our nation."
It urged people to visit OnMyHonor.net, a group opposing the policy change, to send their thoughts to Scout leaders and executives.
That website reposted an article by the president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky, who said the BSA was "at the brink."
"For the last few decades, the Boy Scouts have had to fight battles with both secularists and homosexual activists," wrote R. Albert Mohler Jr.
"How, exactly, are openly gay boys to be included in the activities of scouting? We are talking about boys who will now be expected to participate in everything from camping trips to travel with boys who are openly gay," Mohler said. "Boys of these ages just might be the least equipped of all God's creatures to deal with the complexities of the situation. Most parents are likely to decide that, all things considered, this is just not something they want imposed on their sons."
President Barack Obama has been become outspoken in his support of gay rights and same-sex marriage.
When asked about the BSA policy in February, White House spokesman Jay Carney said Obama believes the Boy Scouts is a valuable organization that has helped educate and build character in American boys.
"He also, as you know, opposes discrimination in all forms. And as such, believes that gay Americans ought to be able to participate in the Boy Scouts. But in terms of the process of their evaluation of their policies, I don't have a comment."
If approved, the new BSA rules would take effect on January 1.

[Jess]

About time.

[Foamy]

Thats great!

[xXl0sth0peXx]

Gotta start somewhere.

[Croconaw]

They should have allowed it in the first place. It's wrong to discriminate because of one's sexuality. It's about time...

[HockeyLovesMe]

good to see i am in scouts and im happy people can be whoever they want to be there :yeah:

[Jess]

-original message removed. -Emerald Dream

Are you being sarcastic, or do you really thinks gays shouldn't be allowed to be Boy Scouts?

EDIT: Right...never mind

[VictoriaGotaSecret]

That's good. I know girl scouts actually never had any bans for sexual orientation. I watched something a few weeks ago where a mtf girl about the age of 10 was accepted into girl scouts and was not at first for sports.

[Luke257]

That's excellent news. :)

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Quite excellent news! But i'm not a boy scout and never was.

[sparkles]

Now they need to expand that to adult leaders as well. New policy sends the message that it's not okay to be gay once you're 18, but they'll tolerate you until then. Not cool. I am a scout, venturer actually, and I have some gay friends who stayed in the closet because they wanted to make eagle.

This video was shared to me and I really felt it meant a lot: http://www.itgetsbetter.org/video/entry/10041/

[Walter Powers]

My question is: Where will these gay boys sleep? Seems to me you wouldn't want to put them in the same cabin as other boys, just as you wouldn't put a girl in the same room with boys.

[Harry Smith]

My question is: Where will these gay boys sleep? Seems to me you wouldn't want to put them in the same cabin as other boys, just as you wouldn't put a girl in the same room with boys.

Oh yeah because us gays love to have to sex with other boys when they're sleeping, that's all we can think about

[Harley Quinn]

My question is: Where will these gay boys sleep? Seems to me you wouldn't want to put them in the same cabin as other boys, just as you wouldn't put a girl in the same room with boys.

Yeah because putting boys with boys is a terrible idea. See how I said boys and not gay boys? because guess what, this may be a heart-attack inducing read - GAY PEOPLE ARE THE SAME AS ANYONE ELSE. Oh no.

[Walter Powers]

Oh yeah because us gays love to have to sex with other boys when they're sleeping, that's all we can think about

Yeah because putting boys with boys is a terrible idea. See how I said boys and not gay boys? because guess what, this may be a heart-attack inducing read - GAY PEOPLE ARE THE SAME AS ANYONE ELSE. Oh no.

You wouldn't put girls and guys in the same room. What's the reasoning behind that? You wouldn't want them to, you know, do things. On the same token, you wouldn't have a gay guy sleep in the same room as other guys.

[Origami]

You wouldn't put girls and guys in the same room. What's the reasoning behind that? You wouldn't want them to, you know, do things. On the same token, you wouldn't have a gay guy sleep in the same room as other guys.

How do you go about separating gay boys from other gay boys?

[Walter Powers]

How do you go about separating gay boys from other gay boys?

I don't know what to do. I just know this is gonna be a real problem if you can't have that issue resolved, and was pointing that out.

[Origami]

I don't know what to do. I just know this is gonna be a real problem if you can't have that issue resolved, and was pointing that out.

I don't think it's an issue. The "gay" isn't gonna rub off on the heterosexual boys.

[Walter Powers]

I don't think it's an issue. The "gay" isn't gonna rub off on the heterosexual boys.

What? I'm not worried about it rubbing off, but I'm just saying. I wouldn't feel comfortable with a girl whom I was unrelated to sleeping in the same room as me. The same goes for a gay guy.

[Origami]

What? I'm not worried about it rubbing off, but I'm just saying. I wouldn't feel comfortable with a girl whom I was unrelated to sleeping in the same room as me. The same goes for a gay guy.

What? Are you still five years old? Come on, it's not like sleeping in the same room means it has to be sexual, jeez. I've slept in the same room as a gay guy before. You know the difference in it and when I slept in a room with a straight guy? Nothing! You know what the difference was when I slept with a girl and I in the same room? Nothing! Sleeping is sleeping. That's it.

[Harley Quinn]

What? I'm not worried about it rubbing off, but I'm just saying. I wouldn't feel comfortable with a girl whom I was unrelated to sleeping in the same room as me. The same goes for a gay guy.

You're thinking waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too sexual here. I'm a lesbian, and none of my friends have a problem with me sleeping in the same room as them, because guess what sleeping is sleeping.

[DerBear]

My question is: Where will these gay boys sleep? Seems to me you wouldn't want to put them in the same cabin as other boys, just as you wouldn't put a girl in the same room with boys.

Oh yeah because gay boys automatically come on to straight guys while sleeping. I mean my friend who is gay has stayed over at my house plenty of times and I didn't ask him to go into the other room because I was worried he might come onto me.

Do you own logic or is up your backside 24/7?

What? I'm not worried about it rubbing off, but I'm just saying. I wouldn't feel comfortable with a girl whom I was unrelated to sleeping in the same room as me. The same goes for a gay guy.

At the end of the day he's male, what difference does it make. Gay people are just like straight people, they can keep their emotions and feelings in check and gay guys aren't attracted to every male.

[Harry Smith]

You wouldn't put girls and guys in the same room. What's the reasoning behind that? You wouldn't want them to, you know, do things. On the same token, you wouldn't have a gay guy sleep in the same room as other guys.

Gay guys are still guys, but sure let's segregate someone based on their sexuality that's fair isn't it?

Don't worry we're not going to try and rape you when we sleep, for chirst sake why does everything have to be sexual.

As Derri said I know for fact I'm not attracted to every single guy, the scouts have no right to even ask a member if they are gay or not.

Imagine if they said they didn't want muslim members because they have to pray in the morning.

Everyone should have equal rights-end of

[BenjiCleland]

It's pretty awesome that they did that!

[Walter Powers]

Oh yeah because gay boys automatically come on to straight guys while sleeping. I mean my friend who is gay has stayed over at my house plenty of times and I didn't ask him to go into the other room because I was worried he might come onto me.

Do you own logic or is up your backside 24/7?



At the end of the day he's male, what difference does it make. Gay people are just like straight people, they can keep their emotions and feelings in check and gay guys aren't attracted to every male.

Gay guys are still guys, but sure let's segregate someone based on their sexuality that's fair isn't it?

Don't worry we're not going to try and rape you when we sleep, for chirst sake why does everything have to be sexual.

As Derri said I know for fact I'm not attracted to every single guy, the scouts have no right to even ask a member if they are gay or not.

Imagine if they said they didn't want muslim members because they have to pray in the morning.

Everyone should have equal rights-end of

Let me ask you two this: What's the reason we seperate boys and girls into different bedrooms and bathrooms?

[DerBear]

Let me ask you two this: What's the reason we seperate boys and girls into different bedrooms and bathrooms?

I just give up with your logic

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[Mob Boss]

This is ridiculous, that any of this is breaking news in the 21st century. This should have happened a long time ago. I hate humans. -.-

[Carlyle]

Okay, I didn't see this and now I'd like to say some stuff in my own words (though already covered by other people).

1. Being gay does NOT mean we like all boys. Wrong wrong wrong. We have standards just like a straight boy would, we don't want to fuck anything with a penis.

2. They're boy scouts. I can't fathom the age limit for them, but I doubt its too old. If one of them happens to crush one another, so what? They're young, they would never act on these urges.

3. Do not compare separation of boys and girls to separating gay boys from other boys. They are similar in nature, but not the same. Please, find a different, more valid reason this isn't okay...

Care to argue some more?

[Harry Smith]

Let me ask you two this: What's the reason we seperate boys and girls into different bedrooms and bathrooms?

Oh wow.

It doesn't matter if your gay or straight, you can't segregate someone based on their sexuality. The majority of boy scouts are boys who simply want to be with their friends and enjoy themself.

You seem to think that all gay boys just want to have sex with every boy. Do you think that I should be forced to go to a different bathroom because I fancy guys? Are you going to have a straight test when you go into the bathroom,

Your logic is Draconian

[Jess]

Oh wow.

It doesn't matter if your gay or straight, you can't segregate someone based on their sexuality. The majority of boy scouts are boys who simply want to be with their friends and enjoy themself.

You seem to think that all gay boys just want to have sex with every boy. Do you think that I should be forced to go to a different bathroom because I fancy guys? Are you going to have a straight test when you go into the bathroom,

Your logic is Draconian

Yes this

What, are we also going to need to separate straight girls from lesbian girls? :S

[Walter Powers]

Oh wow.

It doesn't matter if your gay or straight, you can't segregate someone based on their sexuality. The majority of boy scouts are boys who simply want to be with their friends and enjoy themself.

You seem to think that all gay boys just want to have sex with every boy. Do you think that I should be forced to go to a different bathroom because I fancy guys? Are you going to have a straight test when you go into the bathroom,

Your logic is Draconian

I think boys in general have trouble resisting sexual relations with whichever gender they are attracted. I'll ask again: Why do we seperate boys and girls into different bathrooms and bedrooms?

[lyhom]

I don't know what's sadder. Is it the fact that it took until 2013 for homosexuals to be able to be Boy Scouts, or that there are still some people who imply that most homosexuals are crazy sex addicts who would be willing to sexually assault anyone and everyone?

[Harry Smith]

I think boys in general have trouble resisting sexual relations with whichever gender they are attracted. I'll ask again: Why do we seperate boys and girls into different bathrooms and bedrooms?

What so do you think I try and sleep with my mates when I stay round, I've camped for 5 days with my friends, I didn't have an urge to try and sleep with them in their sleep or watch them change. It's not about all about sex.

Because they're different genders. Christ you sound like someone from the 1950's who claimed that black people should use different toilets.

The bottom line is you want to refuse boys access to a club based on their sexuality, that is just plain wrong, you can't jump around that. Your denying them a chance based on their sexuality

[teen.jpg]

What reason did they have to forbid it? They wouldn't even know you were gay unless you said it, it's so stupid.

Besides, being a boy scout is literally the gayest thing I can think of :lol:

[Trenton_]

Okay, I didn't see this and now I'd like to say some stuff in my own words (though already covered by other people).

1. Being gay does NOT mean we like all boys. Wrong wrong wrong. We have standards just like a straight boy would, we don't want to fuck anything with a penis.

2. They're boy scouts. I can't fathom the age limit for them, but I doubt its too old. If one of them happens to crush one another, so what? They're young, they would never act on these urges.

3. Do not compare separation of boys and girls to separating gay boys from other boys. They are similar in nature, but not the same. Please, find a different, more valid reason this isn't okay...

Care to argue some more?

Oh wow.

It doesn't matter if your gay or straight, you can't segregate someone based on their sexuality. The majority of boy scouts are boys who simply want to be with their friends and enjoy themself.

You seem to think that all gay boys just want to have sex with every boy. Do you think that I should be forced to go to a different bathroom because I fancy guys? Are you going to have a straight test when you go into the bathroom,

Your logic is Draconian

They aren't segregating as in gay boyscouts over here, normal boys over there, they want them mixed together. What about straight boy scouts who don't want to do scouting with gay guys and they quit, you'll end up with just gay boy scouts which is fine I guess.

if it's just boys who want to be friends and enjoy themselves in scouting the friends like the gay kids, that's fine for everyone.

A different bathroom? No. Locker room? idk, prolly not. my health club got locker room attendants so the gay guys would linger around forever which is what they were doing. Those guys were creepy, but they were the minority and since patrolling the place, those guys don't come on to us or each other any more.

[Carlyle]

They aren't segregating as in gay boyscouts over here, normal boys over there, they want them mixed together. What about straight boy scouts who don't want to do scouting with gay guys and they quit, you'll end up with just gay boy scouts which is fine I guess.

if it's just boys who want to be friends and enjoy themselves in scouting the friends like the gay kids, that's fine for everyone.

A different bathroom? No. Locker room? idk, prolly not. my health club got locker room attendants so the gay guys would linger around forever which is what they were doing. Those guys were creepy, but they were the minority and since patrolling the place, those guys don't come on to us or each other any more.

I don't know many openly gay younger kids, so I don't think the other boys will know. That, and children have been known to handle things better than adults (Need I find an example?). All the "What ifs" with these are questions we shouldn't have to answer or give an example for. Its someone's shitty parenting that caused a homophobic child, they can take the time to tell their child they were wrong. Jfc.

[Trenton_]

Yeah because putting boys with boys is a terrible idea. See how I said boys and not gay boys? because guess what, this may be a heart-attack inducing read - GAY PEOPLE ARE THE SAME AS ANYONE ELSE. Oh no.

They aren't the same at all! there is straight and then there is gay. they call themselves gay, not straight so they aren't the same at all! sheesh.

How do you go about separating gay boys from other gay boys?

Str8 over here, Gay over there?

Gay guys are still guys, but sure let's segregate someone based on their sexuality that's fair isn't it?

Don't worry we're not going to try and rape you when we sleep, for chirst sake why does everything have to be sexual.

As Derri said I know for fact I'm not attracted to every single guy, the scouts have no right to even ask a member if they are gay or not.

Imagine if they said they didn't want muslim members because they have to pray in the morning.

Everyone should have equal rights-end of


How is it fair to force str8 to not segregate them?

It's sexual because boys are extremely sexual and horny.

Not ask if they're gay? Great, we DONT WANT TO KNOW anyway. Keep it to yourselves. Gays say it doesn't matter, but then make a big stink so then it does matter. Scouts are a club, don't like the club, don't join. Simple.

I don't know many openly gay younger kids, so I don't think the other boys will know. That, and children have been known to handle things better than adults (Need I find an example?). All the "What ifs" with these are questions we shouldn't have to answer or give an example for. Its someone's shitty parenting that caused a homophobic child, they can take the time to tell their child they were wrong. Jfc.

If the other boys don't know that would be perfect! That's the point. Gays say they are the same, well, then BE the same. It's so obvious. I don't think the guys are homophobic at all. We don't want to hear about your sexuality, but gays keep making an issue of it and claim they are the same, while making an issue out of something that isn't the same. hypocrites is what the heterophobes are about.

[Harley Quinn]

They aren't the same at all! there is straight and then there is gay. they call themselves gay, not straight so they aren't the same at all! sheesh.



Str8 over here, Gay over there?




How is it fair to force str8 to not segregate them?

It's sexual because boys are extremely sexual and horny.

Not ask if they're gay? Great, we DONT WANT TO KNOW anyway. Keep it to yourselves. Gays say it doesn't matter, but then make a big stink so then it does matter. Scouts are a club, don't like the club, don't join. Simple.



If the other boys don't know that would be perfect! That's the point. Gays say they are the same, well, then BE the same. It's so obvious. I don't think the guys are homophobic at all. We don't want to hear about your sexuality, but gays keep making an issue of it and claim they are the same, while making an issue out of something that isn't the same. hypocrites is what the heterophobes are about.

Because a different sexuality automatically equals a different human being, logic.

[Harry Smith]

It's sexual because boys are extremely sexual and horny.

Not ask if they're gay? Great, we DONT WANT TO KNOW anyway. Keep it to yourselves. Gays say it doesn't matter, but then make a big stink so then it does matter. Scouts are a club, don't like the club, don't join. Simple.

If the other boys don't know that would be perfect! That's the point. Gays say they are the same, well, then BE the same. It's so obvious. I don't think the guys are homophobic at all. We don't want to hear about your sexuality, but gays keep making an issue of it and claim they are the same, while making an issue out of something that isn't the same. hypocrites is what the heterophobes are about.

So your saying that gay boys shouldn't come out to their friends? Your saying that they should keep it bottled up, all I see above is a load of hot air, your skirting around the issue.

Gay boys have the right to be in scouts because it is an organisation for boys, it doesn't matter if your black, brown, gay or bisexual. You can't deny access to someone based on their sexuality, it's morally wrong.

I've slept in the same bed as my straight friends, I've slept in the same tent with them, I don't try and rape them every-time, every man can control his urges you know

We are the same, we're people. We are entitled to the same rights, that's why we make an issue of it, because we're entitled to our rights

[Nomad_X]

So your saying that gay boys shouldn't come out to their friends? Your saying that they should keep it bottled up, all I see above is a load of hot air, your skirting around the issue.

Gay boys have the right to be in scouts because it is an organisation for boys, it doesn't matter if your black, brown, gay or bisexual. You can't deny access to someone based on their sexuality, it's morally wrong.

I've slept in the same bed as my straight friends, I've slept in the same tent with them, I don't try and rape them every-time, every man can control his urges you know

We are the same, we're people. We are entitled to the same rights, that's why we make an issue of it, because we're entitled to our rights

Walter is a Troll. Lets stop feeding him. He's just doing this to get a rise.

[Rayquaza]

I think boys in general have trouble resisting sexual relations with whichever gender they are attracted. I'll ask again: Why do we seperate boys and girls into different bathrooms and bedrooms?

Because they have different anatomy and they aren't the same. Stop being so disingenuous and showing alpha bias towards gender.

[Camazotz]

Tons of gay Boy Scouts slept in the same cabin as the straight Boy Scouts before this rule change. It doesn't change a thing now that they can come out.

[Trenton_]

So your saying that gay boys shouldn't come out to their friends? No, they should tell whoever they want. Your saying that they should keep it bottled up, all I see above is a load of hot air, your skirting around the issue. No they can tell whoever they want, but know that str8 guys won't like it and don't want to know about.

Gay boys have the right to be in scouts because it is an organisation for boys, it doesn't matter if your black, brown, gay or bisexual. You can't deny access to someone based on their sexuality, it's morally wrong.


I have no clue if gay boys have that right. If it accepts gov't funding, it's definitely their right. If it's a private club, it's not a right. Much like a private business, no quotas on who you hire to work directly for you or do work for you like construction or garbage etc.


I've slept in the same bed as my straight friends, I've slept in the same tent with them, I don't try and rape them every-time, every man can control his urges you know

Rape isn't the issue. Checking them out and being attracted to them are two of the issues.

We are the same, we're people. We are entitled to the same rights, that's why we make an issue of it, because we're entitled to our rights[/QUOTE]

Yup, you're entitled to your legal rights and that's it. No different from anyone else.

Are you out of the closet? Do you talk to your straight friends about this kind of stuff?

[Dark Blue]

So your saying that gay boys shouldn't come out to their friends? No, they should tell whoever they want. Your saying that they should keep it bottled up, all I see above is a load of hot air, your skirting around the issue. No they can tell whoever they want, but know that str8 guys won't like it and don't want to know about.

Gay boys have the right to be in scouts because it is an organisation for boys, it doesn't matter if your black, brown, gay or bisexual. You can't deny access to someone based on their sexuality, it's morally wrong.


I have no clue if gay boys have that right. If it accepts gov't funding, it's definitely their right. If it's a private club, it's not a right. Much like a private business, no quotas on who you hire to work directly for you or do work for you like construction or garbage etc.


I've slept in the same bed as my straight friends, I've slept in the same tent with them, I don't try and rape them every-time, every man can control his urges you know

Rape isn't the issue. Checking them out and being attracted to them are two of the issues.

We are the same, we're people. We are entitled to the same rights, that's why we make an issue of it, because we're entitled to our rights

Yup, you're entitled to your legal rights and that's it. No different from anyone else.

Are you out of the closet? Do you talk to your straight friends about this kind of stuff?[/QUOTE]

If your a straight guy who doesn't like gay guys who are honest about their sexuality and brave enough to come out without being ridiculed, your a close-minded idiot. Its a new decade, gay people exist and want to be recognized.

Another point to bring up is the checking out and attraction. If you haven't been to the "Puberty for Boys" section of the forums yet you would know that straight guys also tend to discreetly "check out" each other. It's a part of human nature. No harm can come from gay boys and straight boys sharing living space etc. They should be focused on doing whatever the hell boy scouts do anyway.

[Trenton_]

[/QUOTE]

If your a straight guy who doesn't like gay guys who are honest about their sexuality and brave enough to come out without being ridiculed, your a close-minded idiot. Its a new decade, gay people exist and want to be recognized.

Another point to bring up is the checking out and attraction. If you haven't been to the "Puberty for Boys" section of the forums yet you would know that straight guys also tend to discreetly "check out" each other. It's a part of human nature. No harm can come from gay boys and straight boys sharing living space etc. They should be focused on doing whatever the hell boy scouts do anyway.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say I didn't like them, but straight guys aren't going to be comfortable changing clothes in front guys they know are gay and they have a right to NOT feel uncomfortable just because some guy thinks that people should know his sexual orientation. No reason for gay guys to be telling us they're gay.

It's one thing to notice some guys body, it's another thing to be attracted to that body. I find it rather selfish that gays don't have a problem of putting the majority of guys in the position that creates the opportunity for someone to be naked around people they are attracted to.

Think of how warped that is. Does society force straight guys and girls to change clothes and shower together. No, because there is some attraction there. So when a boy decides he needs to be out to everyone, HE should be the one compromising in those situations, not the majority. Gay guys are a tiny portion of society.

[Jevon]

Well that's good they are doing that

[UTurn]

If your a straight guy who doesn't like gay guys who are honest about their sexuality and brave enough to come out without being ridiculed, your a close-minded idiot. Its a new decade, gay people exist and want to be recognized.

Another point to bring up is the checking out and attraction. If you haven't been to the "Puberty for Boys" section of the forums yet you would know that straight guys also tend to discreetly "check out" each other. It's a part of human nature. No harm can come from gay boys and straight boys sharing living space etc. They should be focused on doing whatever the hell boy scouts do anyway.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say I didn't like them, but straight guys aren't going to be comfortable changing clothes in front guys they know are gay and they have a right to NOT feel uncomfortable just because some guy thinks that people should know his sexual orientation. No reason for gay guys to be telling us they're gay.

It's one thing to notice some guys body, it's another thing to be attracted to that body. I find it rather selfish that gays don't have a problem of putting the majority of guys in the position that creates the opportunity for someone to be naked around people they are attracted to.

Think of how warped that is. Does society force straight guys and girls to change clothes and shower together. No, because there is some attraction there. So when a boy decides he needs to be out to everyone, HE should be the one compromising in those situations, not the majority. Gay guys are a tiny portion of society.[/QUOTE]

damn how stupid can you be? i dont know any gay people (or at least out gay people) but i know for a fact that separating them from straight people is horribly wrong. im straight. but if a gay guy wants to change in the room with me, then go the fuck ahead! if you see a pretty girl walking down the hall, and you say oh damn shes hot, then should yall be segregated and not be able to walk in the same hall as girls as well? dont be a stupid bastard and deal with the fact that scouts allows gays. im an eagle scout and i am happy to allow gays into scouts. why should gay guys not have a great time camping, shooting guns, using knives, etc. like i do???

[Austins]

It's illegal to force the LGBT community out of anything regardless. And just ignorant to even think about placing a ban

[Trenton_]

If your a straight guy who doesn't like gay guys who are honest about their sexuality and brave enough to come out without being ridiculed, your a close-minded idiot. Its a new decade, gay people exist and want to be recognized.

Another point to bring up is the checking out and attraction. If you haven't been to the "Puberty for Boys" section of the forums yet you would know that straight guys also tend to discreetly "check out" each other. It's a part of human nature. No harm can come from gay boys and straight boys sharing living space etc. They should be focused on doing whatever the hell boy scouts do anyway.

I didn't say I didn't like them, but straight guys aren't going to be comfortable changing clothes in front guys they know are gay and they have a right to NOT feel uncomfortable just because some guy thinks that people should know his sexual orientation. No reason for gay guys to be telling us they're gay.

It's one thing to notice some guys body, it's another thing to be attracted to that body. I find it rather selfish that gays don't have a problem of putting the majority of guys in the position that creates the opportunity for someone to be naked around people they are attracted to.

Think of how warped that is. Does society force straight guys and girls to change clothes and shower together. No, because there is some attraction there. So when a boy decides he needs to be out to everyone, HE should be the one compromising in those situations, not the majority. Gay guys are a tiny portion of society.[/QUOTE]

damn how stupid can you be? i dont know any gay people (or at least out gay people) but i know for a fact that separating them from straight people is horribly wrong. im straight. but if a gay guy wants to change in the room with me, then go the fuck ahead! if you see a pretty girl walking down the hall, and you say oh damn shes hot, then should yall be segregated and not be able to walk in the same hall as girls as well? dont be a stupid bastard and deal with the fact that scouts allows gays. im an eagle scout and i am happy to allow gays into scouts. why should gay guys not have a great time camping, shooting guns, using knives, etc. like i do???[/QUOTE]

A pretty girl walking down the hall isn't briefly naked nor half dressed so your analogy is a fail. Why don't you start using the girls locker room then. Right?

Because it's no big deal right? You think those girls should just suck it up because so what that you have a base attraction to them. Right?

That's what you're asking straight guys to do, just not worry that some out gay guy is leering at them. And straights are the vast majority, so they shouldn't have to alter their behavior.

Why is it that every miniscule minority forces or wants for force 90+ percent of the population to change for them? That's messed up and selfish in everyone's opinion yet if people have a hysterical hissy fit long enough the normal every day guy has to change apparently.

That's the whole thing with gays = accept me on my terms. Screw that, then don't be accepted. People are sick of it.

California provided the best answer for the gays. Publically, before Prop 8, the general population said, "yeah, I'm for gay rights. everyone is equal. etc".
Then they went to the polls. And what did people do? They voted it down because voting is private. So for the gay community, when your aunt and uncle and grandparents and cousins and teachers and neighbors SAY they support you, know that's just what they SAY because it's politically correct. All love and roses to your face, then when you're not around or they can vote on it, they are strongly opposed to the lifestyle you choose to live.

[riguy99]

It's a start, I was reading a article today that they also do not let anybody go to the Boy Scout jamboree if you have a BMI 40 or above. Here is the article.

Boy Scouts ban obese kids from outing
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/health/boy-scouts-bmi/index.html

[Its Pretty]

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As for my opinion it doesn't change much at all. Gays were already in the boy scouts and they will continue to stay in the closet out of the very real fear of prejudice. Discrimination against gays shouldn't have been in the first place.