Most controversial religious video

[Cicero]

video of controversy (http://www.ijreview.com/2013/05/54370-jesus-vs-muhammad-quran-challenge-ii/)

Whats your opinion of that video?

[Left Now]

Why vs?
Jesus is a prophet and Muhammad is too.
Why should we use vs?

[WickedWeekend]

Even though I agree with less than half of what was said, this guy should not have posted this. This is disrespectful at the least. I don't like Steven Crowder. He's a political comedian.

[Stronk Serb]

Both Mohammad and Jesus are men who made a large impact on the world. I don't know why pit them against them, or pit Christianity against Islam if they believe in the same deity in a different way.

[Appypollylogges]

Okay, gotta watch what I say here.
He does make some good points...but...It's pretty disrespectful.
He did have a good point about Jesus (who, in contrast, does seem to be more peaceful than Mohammed), but what he should've done is show the peaceful parts of the Qu'ran in contrast to the horrible parts of the bible.

And for the record, I'm agnostic, so I'm not really biased either way.

Anyways, all in all, he really just shouldn't have done it.


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[Cicero]

Why vs?
Jesus is a prophet and Muhammad is too.
Why should we use vs?

The video describes why. They were both, very different people. Muslims make him sound like he was peaceful, yet he had a 9 year old wife and killed many women.

Did you even watch the video?

[randomnessqueen]

he says some things, fake citing them, assuming you wont look it up.
and some other verses, that are taken very out of context.
not only was mohammed big on womens rights, but he was the only one at the time when women were on the bottom rungs of society.

[Sharona]

Why vs?
Jesus is a prophet and Muhammad is too.
Why should we use vs?

Neither of them were prophets, Jesus was the son of God and Mohammed... well it's a bit of a stretch to call him a prophet
Mohammed did acknowledge and respect Jesus and said he was a prophet etc and said for his followers to do so too... So Muslims should really listen to Mohammed and convert to the true faith ;)

There is no value in Islam today, everyone is sick of the common denominator with terror, misogyny, slavery and violence around the world

[Left Now]

Both Mohammad and Jesus are men who made a large impact on the world. I don't know why pit them against them, or pit Christianity against Islam if they believe in the same deity in a different way.

Oh come on! Have ever read roman and egyptian history book! Muhammad and Ali were the only generals in Arabs before Islam who were kind toward prisoners and specially women.
For example read the Tabari History book which is trusted for knowing about the history of Islam and caliphates.
The kindness of Muhammad and Ali were always famous.
Also,the only difference between Muhammad and Jesus is,Jesus didn't become a governor but Muhammad did,like Prophet Solomon and David.

Also,Jesus is the prophet of god as Muhammad is. God cannot have babies and children. Because then it can be said God needs a son and is not needless,while he is.

Howevee,no one will forget the crusades the savagnes of who called themselves christians. Also islam is still peaceful and full of value. Terrorism is not related to Islam


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[tovaris]

both of this profits were profits of the sane devine diety, and if you see the conclusion from that congradulation you are a logical person...

[Cygnus]

Both prophets suck, Buddha is the best.

Apart from that, he kind of showed Mohammed as evil and Jesus as right to some extent, which is disrespectful.

[Sharona]

Forget the past think of the present - if both were here now Jesus would be celebrated for peace and accepting people of all levels and parts of society
Mohammed would be arrested, imprisoned and executed depending on where he was for inciting racial hatred, paedophilia, polygamy, slavery, public misogyny, mass murder, war crimes etc etc
He'd also be laughed at for being an illiterate kook for wild claims the average 10 year old could dispute
He was a real life Voldemort but worse

Oh come on! Have ever read roman and egyptian history book! Muhammad and Ali were the only generals in Arabs before Islam who were kind toward prisoners and specially women.
For example read the Tabari History book which is trusted for knowing about the history of Islam and caliphates.
The kindness of Muhammad and Ali were always famous.
Also,the only difference between Muhammad and Jesus is,Jesus didn't become a governor but Muhammad did,like Prophet Solomon and David.

Also,Jesus is the prophet of god as Muhammad is. God cannot have babies and children. Because then it can be said God needs a son and is not needless,while he is.

Howevee,no one will forget the crusades the savagnes of who called themselves christians. Also islam is still peaceful and full of value. Terrorism is not related to Islam


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

Jesus didn't govern anyone because he came as an equal I expect,
It's not a typical father/son thing - just aspects of the same being I expect
And Yes because Muslims never invaded anyone - you speak of the crusades? Sure European monarchs and the papacy used them for greed, but I don't think much of Spain ever wanted to be made Muslim at the point if a sword - among many other people's - the crusades wouldn't have begun if Muslims didn't start their usual shit

If you glorify Mohammed you glorify a monster- to say Mohammed was great is to say a child molestor was great

There is no peace with Islam (the peace Islam preaches is the one where all enemies are defeated/subdued- nothing altruistic) - look at Islam today- highest body count and causers of strife all around
No one kills more people than Muslims - ironically/fortunately they mostly kill other Muslims because ideological differences don't allow them to get along too often (or because they are greedy African warlords)
The Americans and Jews don't kill as many Muslims as other Muslims do

Okay, gotta watch what I say here.
He does make some good points...but...It's pretty disrespectful.
He did have a good point about Jesus (who, in contrast, does seem to be more peaceful than Mohammed), but what he should've done is show the peaceful parts of the Qu'ran in contrast to the horrible parts of the bible.

And for the record, I'm agnostic, so I'm not really biased either way.

Anyways, all in all, he really just shouldn't have done it.


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

The horrible parts of the bible are outnumbered by the horrible parts of the Koran
The Old Testament/Torah etc. are history - the New Testament is what Christianity is based on and that's the huge difference between true Christianity today and Islam (which is still stuck in the past with Mohammed eat. al)
Forgiving your enemy, seeking forgiveness for your own wrongdoings and blessing all and cursing none - the Roman Catholic Church is not Christianity - and bunch of greedy men in dresses and funny hats has nothing to do with the work of Christ - the whole celibate priesthood goes against so much biblical teaching

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[Left Now]

Jesus didn't govern anyone because he came as an equal I expect,
It's not a typical father/son thing - just aspects of the same being I expect
And Yes because Muslims never invaded anyone - you speak of the crusades? Sure European monarchs and the papacy used them for greed, but I don't think much of Spain ever wanted to be made Muslim at the point if a sword - among many other people's - the crusades wouldn't have begun if Muslims didn't start their usual shit

If you glorify Mohammed you glorify a monster- to say Mohammed was great is to say a child molestor was great

There is no peace with Islam (the peace Islam preaches is the one where all enemies are defeated/subdued- nothing altruistic) - look at Islam today- highest body count and causers of strife all around
No one kills more people than Muslims - ironically/fortunately they mostly kill other Muslims because ideological differences don't allow them to get along too often (or because they are greedy African warlords)
The Americans and Jews don't kill as many Muslims as other Muslims do

Again Bullshits!
Mistress,i suggest you to read trustworthy History books and do not tell words which are based on nothing:
History of Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Islam)

Also,Your words were exactly like the words which that Byzantine Emperor said,who himself massacred 500000 of muslim population of Byzantium.

However,over 2 million people died because of the acts of UK in WWI in Iran alone during just 4 years,so do not tell me those secular guys didn't kill people more than others please.Peace of Islam was not like peace of Papal States,we let people to preach knowledge and let the science advanced and also,we had noble women which were educated in Islamic lands.By educated i mean in many schools they studied.
Also,sword was the last option of Islam in those eras.We muslims were more diplomatic and trading with foreigners than hostile.
Also,during the colonization of islamic countries,European destroyed many of our schools and stole our science and knowledges.

And also,Jews killed a lot of Persians during the ancient era while we let them live and freed them from the prisoners of Babylonians.


-please do not double post. -Emerald Dream

[Sharona]

Don't take credit from the past or take solace in it

Look at the world today and what's happening

Why support and extort an ideology based on the rants of a child molestor?

[Jake Morgan]

interesting information delivered in stupidly asinine manner and therefore hard to take anything presented seriously. i'm sure one can find the same info handled more maturely somewhere else

[Left Now]

Don't take credit from the past or take solace in it

Look at the world today and what's happening

Why support and extort an ideology based on the rants of a child molestor?

You are telling me to not credit from the past,but i just proved that more half of your words were bullshits and based on your own beliefs and not on history.

Bring a real trustworthy history book which can directly prove that you are telling the right thing about Muhammad.I will bring you over 300 western modern history books which will deny your words.It is something historical and we have to get back to history to see if our beliefs are right or not about it.

Bring just 1 real trustworthy historical book which can prove your words.

[Appypollylogges]

interesting information delivered in stupidly asinine manner and therefore hard to take anything presented seriously. i'm sure one can find the same info handled more maturely somewhere else

Yeah I agree.

[Appypollylogges]

Look at the world today and what's happening

Well, bias based on personal beliefs is ruining the world....kinda like that bias you have towards Islamic people you bigot.

Personally knowing Islamic people, and oh by the way Catholics too, I find you completely disturbing.

[Harry Smith]

You are telling me to not credit from the past,but i just proved that more half of your words were bullshits and based on your own beliefs and not on history.

Bring a real trustworthy history book which can directly prove that you are telling the right thing about Muhammad.I will bring you over 300 western modern history books which will deny your words.It is something historical and we have to get back to history to see if our beliefs are right or not about it.

Bring just 1 real trustworthy historical book which can prove your words.

Muhammad did marry a 6 year old girl called Aisha, if that was what sharona was reffering to when she said child molester, so yes in a sense Mohammad was a sex offender by todays standards

[Azunite]

Muhammad did marry a 6 year old girl called Aisha, if that was what sharona was reffering to when she said child molester, so yes in a sense Mohammad was a sex offender by todays standards

I think the red part is an answer to your post.

If they were false prophets their legacy would not live for a millenium.

I immideately closed the page with the video after seeing the "vs". Not worthy of watching and wasting time.

Also I'd like to add that Jesus was no son of God. God is not a biological being.

P.S.: As far as I know, Mohammed married that girl because she was the daughter of a tribe leader and he needed to make an alliance with them to strenghten the position of Islam on the peninsula.

[Left Now]

No no no you are wrong Harry!
Even in Pre-Islamic Arab culture marrying a girl below 9 years old was forbidden.
Aisha married Muhammad when she was 9-10 and in 6 years old she just came to his home but not married until she got 10 years old.
A girl can only marry if she is above 9 in Islam and only with the satisfaction of herself.
Aisha was the daughter of Abu-Bakr the first caliph after Muhammad however.

But let daughters and sons marrying in early ages was a normal thing in early ages.
Even many Roman Senators married 10 years old girls in that era.
The beneficial ages of marriage for girls was 9-16 and for boys was 15-30 in many nations in ancient and after Islam era.For example in Persia,Egypt,Rome,Greece,Rome,China,Japan and many other nations.
So Muhammad didn't do anything wrong in those times,because he just married a 9 year-old girl not a 6 year-old one.

[Sharona]

Muhammad did marry a 6 year old girl called Aisha, if that was what sharona was reffering to when she said child molester, so yes in a sense Mohammad was a sex offender by todays standards

They consummated the marriage when she was 9 - some say she had 'begun her menses' (got her period) so was a woman from that point... But a guy in his mid 50s sticking it in a little 9 year old girl is still wrong no matter what the time period. That's like, a 4th grader today - how sick can you get?

[Sharona]

No no no you are wrong Harry!
Even in Pre-Islamic Arab culture marrying a girl below 9 years old was forbidden.
Aisha married Muhammad when she was 9-10 and in 6 years old she just came to his home but not married until she got 10 years old.
A girl can only marry if she is above 9 in Islam and only with the satisfaction of herself.
Aisha was the daughter of Abu-Bakr the first caliph after Muhammad however.

But let daughters and sons marrying in early ages was a normal thing in early ages.
Even many Roman Senators married 10 years old girls in that era.
The beneficial ages of marriage for girls was 9-16 and for boys was 15-30 in many nations in ancient and after Islam era.For example in Persia,Egypt,Rome,Greece,Rome,China,Japan and many other nations.
So Muhammad didn't do anything wrong in those times,because he just married a 9 year-old girl not a 6 year-old one.

Just because it was socially acceptable in many cultures doesn't change the fact he was a middle aged (elderly by that period I expect) excuse for a man who had sex with a little kid.
If you excuse that you excuse paedophilia.
Sicko

[Twilly F. Sniper]

I didn't even listen to the video after the 30th second and thought "yep, this will be some bullshit"

[Left Now]

They consummated the marriage when she was 9 - some say she had 'begun her menses' (got her period) so was a woman from that point... But a guy in his mid 50s sticking it in a little 9 year old girl is still wrong no matter what the time period. That's like, a 4th grader today - how sick can you get?

Still telling your own beliefs.
A nine year-old girl won't have sex until she got 13 or 14 even if she married in 9.
Also,it was not wrong in that era,because in those times girls was not going to work outside of the house like todays.So it was better for them to marry earlier.Also,a 50 year-old man still could marry a 13-14 year-old girl if the girl accepted it herself.So it was not illegal.

[Sharona]

Don't pick and choose because you are wrong - it's historically documented that he married Aisha at 8 and consummated the marriage when she was 9 - Islamic scholars and imams do not deny this
It is highly likely he had a small penis, but even still she was a child, a little girl
Do you like paedophilia? Is that why you try defend and cloud this issue?

[Left Now]

Don't pick and choose because you are wrong - it's historically documented that he married Aisha at 8 and consummated the marriage when she was 9 - Islamic scholars and imams do not deny this
It is highly likely he had a small penis, but even still she was a child, a little girl
Do you like paedophilia? Is that why you try defend and cloud this issue?

Haven't you get what i said?She was 14 or 15 when she had sex so it is not Paedophilia.Paedophilia is for girls who are having sex while they are under 10 but Aisha gave birth when she was 14 not 10.Their marriage was in 9 of Aisha not their sexual activities.

[Sharona]

No she was 9 when he had sex with her
You follow the rants of a child molestor, must suck knowing you've wasted so much of your life - unless you support child molestation?

[Left Now]

Oh yeah.Maybe you are now 1316 years old because you exactly know when did they have sex,right?
Even in Sunni Muslims hadiths we have quotes from Aisha in which she declared that she was near 13 or 14 when she gave birth.It is not possible to have sex and then give birth 4 years later.
Also,go and read Karen Armstrong book "Muhammad:A Biography of the Prophet"
Maybe it will help you clean your mind from your false beliefs about him.

[Sharona]

Watch yourself or I'll draw a picture of him

[Left Now]

Watch yourself or I'll draw a picture of him

Really?You mean he is like me?
Sorry,but you are genetically wrong!My ancestors were completely Persians,and Persians are not like Arab origins.But "Hind the Heart Eater"is really like you!

[Sharona]

So you did not throw away your Persian heritage for the Arab's Islam?
Or claimed it back after the Islamic revolution in Iran?

[Left Now]

Islam is not Arabic!It is global and with converting to Islam we didn't lose our Persian heritage!
Even we improved them.For example we stopped drinking wine and many other things which is forbidden for human's health.

[Sharona]

So what did Mohammed drink? Water didn't keep while traveling back then
Nothing wrong with wine, it's drunkedness that's the problem
Jesus even made wine at a wedding

It was started by Arabs, the hajj is to a place in Saudi Arabia

Thanks to the revolution in Iran you also hang homosexuals and execute young girls for being raped and say its for adultery (again forcing religious views on everyone whether they like it or not)
The minimum age for executions in Iran i believe still are: 13 for boys and 9 for girls
Think about that. Now tell me again how Islam has made Iran better?
Mind you at least virgins aren't executed - but to take care of that girls have been known to be drugged and raped by prison guards under a system that allows them to married without her consent so they can be killed - yes, you are so holy and societally advanced compared to us infidels


http://www.aina.org/news/20090811125148.htm

[Left Now]

Haha Again propaganda!
The legal age for execution in Iran is 18 for both girls and boys.Also,who told you we will execute girls who got rapped?You are just telling bullshit of nothing.

Also,raping is exactly forbidden in Islam so do not attach it with Islam.However,those prison guards are going to get hanged very soon and that propaganda will finish after 4 years.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/103006.html
And also,you are not in Iran to say that girls are suffering here.
They can learn,work and marry if they want so do not tell bullshits about it again,because they are free to choice here but not choices against the law.Like in other countries.
However,wine has terrible effects on body.And that wine which Jesus made was not the wine of today.

However,Wine was popular between Arabs but not all of them and when Islam announced it got forbidden,Muhammad and other arabs who did not drink wine in their travels,used camel milk which has more energy and power than regular milk of cow or wine.

[Sharona]

Teen boys who got caught experimenting and were executed for homosexuality in Iran (it's not like they can have any experience outside of marriage...)
http://i.imgur.com/xve9PxV.jpg

Yep, gotta love Islam, so peaceful and accepting and loving and... forget it, it's evil and trying to ruin the world. The planet may be really messed up but Islam is no solution, it's just making things worse

[Sharona]

So if a Muslim wants to convert to another religion and marry someone non-Muslim is that okay by you?
Or do you abide by the islamic law of executing apostates?

[Sharona]

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[Left Now]

Homosexuality was always forbidden in Iran,after and before Islam.It was a regular thing in Roman and Greek cultures but in Middle Eastern culture and specially in Persian culture it was always forbidden.
Islam could make things better and still can,just if you let it live like other beliefs.
Also,Teenagers(both girls and boys)will be executed if they get to legal age in their 18.

Do not blame at Islam because of Terrorism,because there is nothing in Islam which will allow a person do terrorism acts and kill a big amount of people,this was the subject of thread.

However,just adultery needs four witnesses which is not possible to bring,but raping doesn't need witnesses if it wasn't in public.If it was in public,people who saw that can become witnesses to defend the woman who got raped

[Left Now]

Homosexuality was always forbidden in Iran,after and before Islam.It was a regular thing in Roman and Greek cultures but in Middle Eastern culture and specially in Persian culture it was always forbidden.
Islam could make things better and still can,just if you let it live like other beliefs.
Also,Teenagers(both girls and boys)will be executed if they get to legal age in their 18.

Do not blame at Islam because of Terrorism,because there is nothing in Islam which will allow a person do terrorism acts and kill a big amount of people,this was the subject of thread.

However,just adultery needs four witnesses which is not possible to bring,but raping doesn't need witnesses if it wasn't in public.If it was in public,people who saw that can become witnesses to defend the woman who got raped

[Sharona]

Wow you made that point easy for me - Islam does not value women as much as it does men- 4 of his peers to bare witness against him if he rapes... so the word of a girl is ignored unless 4 other men side with her against him - fair
And if she reports it, doesn't have 4 witnesses to confirm it she is then an adulterer not a rape victim... do, go on - tell my why a girl would want to become a Muslim?
Rape may be forbidden in Islam but Muslims sure do have an appalling reputation for it

[Sharona]

And why does Islam kill people for choosing to love 'unconventionally'?
Doesn't sound like a religion of peace to me, that's not justifiable, it's not even self defense, it's just murder because it makes straight people feel odd

I really hope you don't dodge my question on apostasy Broken Pen

[Left Now]

Wow you made that point easy for me - Islam does not value women as much as it does men- 4 of his peers to bare witness against him if he rapes... so the word of a girl is ignored unless 4 other men side with her against him - fair
And if she reports it, doesn't have 4 witnesses to confirm it she is then an adulterer not a rape victim... do, go on - tell my why a girl would want to become a Muslim?
Rape may be forbidden in Islam but Muslims sure do have an appalling reputation for it

Still making your own view.Just for adultery a person needs 4 witnesses to prove.For rape she doesn't need any witnesses,and she can report it without witnesses,and if she was right(according to the marks of force on or in her body)that man will be hanged without any doubt.Also,when it happens in public anyone will see and then there are many witnesses not just one or four so do not change my words.

And why does Islam kill people for choosing to love 'unconventionally'?
Doesn't sound like a religion of peace to me, that's not justifiable, it's not even self defense, it's just murder because it makes straight people feel odd

I really hope you don't dodge my question on apostasy Broken Pen

If you really love a person and want to have sex with him or her,you choosed to live with him/her.Love doesn't mean be with a person a day and with another another day.If you really love a person,marry him/her to prove that your love is real not just a satisfying.It is what Islam says.
Also,execution has conditions.
For gays the first time they proved to be gays they will get executed,but for Lesbians after four times.
If a not-married man had sex with a woman he won't be executed but punished.
If a not-married woman had sex with a man she won't be executed but punished.
If a married man had sex with another woman(not his wife)he will be executed.
If a married woman had sex with another man(not his husband)she won't be executed but punished,but after the second time she will be executed.
Execution is not without conditions.
However,four witnesses are needed for proving adultery which is not possible at all.Just if they themselves tell they had sex.

[Sharona]

Lol except that doesn't seem to be the case though does it

Your view on executing apostates please

[Left Now]

Lol except that doesn't seem to be the case though does it

Your view on executing apostates please

A person can get out of Islam if he/she wants but the punishment of being enemy of Islam is execution.
Apostates if are going to be hostile toward Islam will be executed not always.A person can convert from Islam to another religion,but being enemy is something else.
Like all the places in the world,they will punish the people who are against the law and in Iran the law is to not be the enemy of Islam.You can have your own religion here but if you want to attack Islam it is something else.

[Sharona]

(For a religion of peace you guys sure justify killing people a lot lol)
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/012-apostasy.htm

It's amusing how weak your god and prophet are that they need people to kill to defend their so called honour
Lol - like how many critical cartoons/comics have their been of Jesus? Countless - and no stories of Christians going on riotous global killing marches
1 little cartoon of islams prophet - people getting killed and threats abound and bearded men losing their minds

Islam is very immature this way

[Left Now]

So you are not going to walk in the right way of being fair right?
Then you left me no choice:
Sabra and Shatila Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre)

Yelwa Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yelwa_massacre)

[Sharona]

Lol pathetic attempt at a dodge
No one kills more Muslims than other Muslims
Attacks by Christians and Jews doesn't cleanse the hands of Muslims for butchery of innocents around the world

[Sharona]

If your own son turned out to be gay and had sex with another guy you would see him killed?

[Stronk Serb]

This debate is getting pointless.

[Sharona]

This debate is getting pointless.

Absolutely! But fun! It's kept me amused during a very boring day, Muslims are easy to keep a long argument going with, they are just so pig-headed
It's like a 1400 year long running joke

[Left Now]

Your first comment:It won't clean the hands of Christians too.These two were two modern Christians massacred Muslims event.There are still a lot of massacres on the hands of other religions.Can you tell me 4 massacres which happened by Muslims before this recent 100 years?
Christians(I mean Christian governments) during the history killed a lot of people in Britannia,Gaulic lands,Turkey,Spain,Carthage,Libya,Algeria,Morocco,Syria,Egypt,America,Greece,Ser bia,Hungary and ...
But the Muslims had massacres i do not deny it.
Massacres of Muslims(Muslim governments)were in Egypt during the reign of Umar(after death of Muhammad),Tisphon during the conquest of Persia(Umar time),Tabaristan during the conquest of Persia(Umar times),and Syria(during the Umar times),and southern Spain(During the caliphate of Bani-Umayya dynasty),and India(during the reign of Mughal Empire),and Armenia(during the invasion of Ottoman Empire)
All of this massacres happened after death of Muhammad and Ali and many noble Muslims were against these decisions of Umar in massacring people.

But Christians(christian governments)during the history did more even.
Massacre of Jerusalem(when Jews rebelled against the Holy Roman Empire)
Massacre of Carthage(when pagans killed a roman soldiers and then they killed a group of carthagian women and children)
Massacre of Londonium(when British pagans rised against roman christians)
Massacre of Jerusalem((When Crusaders conquered Jerusalem and killed a lot of Muslims,Jews and orthodox christians)
Massacre of Andoulous(When Spanish christians conquered the city and massacred the people there)
and ....

[Sharona]

I love that you need to look back into ancient history to find examples it's so cute :)
I could care less about governments
Look at the millions of African Muslims killing millions of African Muslims (and anyone else) constantly
Or do they not count because they are black?
Syria or Libya will do if you need government examples, I'll await your excuse and raise you a Taliban later

[Left Now]

We are against the Africans wars too,but who is selling guns to them?American,British,European gun factories.
Also it is not ancient,it is just 500 years past from the end of the crusades and conquest of America.Muslims in Africa are our brothers and they have not to fight each other,they'd better to think about their countries and become allied with each other and Iran and many other Islamic countries will support their ceasefire and being allied.
Taliban is a racist group which even the majority of Islamic society know them as blasphemers and not muslims so if you want them to be Muslims,it is your own matter not ours.
Also,before the 18th the muslims countries:"Ottoman Empire,Persia,Morocco,Mamluks,Dagestan"were all united,(except Ottoman Empire and Persia:conflicts for taking more territories with each other but had ceasefires with each other.),but Europeans invade them and for make them weak,they destroyed the unity between people to rule them.Muslims fighting against each other began with the invasion of European countries of Ottoman Empire and its territories so it is their fault.

[Sharona]

Always shifting the blame, considering the most damage is done with the AK-47 it's a bit rich to blame western nations don't you think
Still, fewer Muslims as a result so it's all good, keep up the good work eh?

[Left Now]

I love that you need to look back into ancient history to find examples it's so cute :)
I could care less about governments
Look at the millions of African Muslims killing millions of African Muslims (and anyone else) constantly
Or do they not count because they are black?
Syria or Libya will do if you need government examples, I'll await your excuse and raise you a Taliban later

Syrian rebels are getting armed by Europeans so what do you really get from this?Also,how many times in this forum i declared that i do not know Salafit groups like (Taliban,Al-Qaeda and ...)as Muslims?How many times?
Syrian rebels are salafit groups which are strongly supported by Saudi Arabia.

Also,you seems to be from those people who do not care about history and are completely uneducated in it.Learn from Jack(britishboy),at least he knows how to respect the history and knows the affects of past events on present and future.

Always shifting the blame, considering the most damage is done with the AK-47 it's a bit rich to blame western nations don't you think
Still, fewer Muslims as a result so it's all good, keep up the good work eh?

Oh really?So you cannot see M-16 in the hands of African and Syrian rebels...
Ak-47 is an official gun of many countries.So many countries can sell it to rebels.For example Turkey as a NATO member is using AK-47 and export it,also,its government is secular.


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[Stronk Serb]

One thing about the Ottoman Empire. Serbia was under their rule. We could not practice our religion and have the same rights. Only if we were Muslim.

[Left Now]

One thing about the Ottoman Empire. Serbia was under their rule. We could not practice our religion and have the same rights. Only if we were Muslim.

Right,Ottoman Empire was not very good with Serbians,and one of their reasons to attacking Persia was why Safavid kings let other religions followers to practice their religion.As you know we were supporters of Armenians when Ottoman Empire attacked them and had them come to Isfahan.
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However,Case closed get back to topic please.What was it at all?

[Sharona]

Crikey woman you're not still banging on are ya?

[Left Now]

Surly not,just do not want to shot the thread out of its topic.
It was about London terrorist attack right?Then punish the terrorists,we will support UK in this case.

[Stronk Serb]

However,Case closed get back to topic please.What was it at all?

Some dumb anti-religious video.

Crikey woman you're not still banging on are ya?

I find it funny how you flame Muslims. That is the same as if I started listing how all your country members are inbred scum and so forth. You truly are funny.


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[Sharona]

Not really, you can say what you like about us Aussies - we still have more fun than you do :D

[Stronk Serb]

Not really, you can say what you like about us Aussies - we still have more fun than you do :D


You do not have a winter :P

[Sharona]

Lol we kinda do - not to the point of snow except for on mountains
But bikini season does end for a while :(