Kids and Values

[TheDeepestDepths]

Out of curiosity, what sort of values would you try and instill in them when/if you have kids?

Personally, it would be open-mindedness, the importance of love and friendship, self-worth, respect, and the importance of determination, persistence, and hard-work.

I'm also going to teach them the sex is not something taboo that should never be discussed.

[Cygnus]

Persistence, never to trust anyone, basics of self-defence, how to think with logic and not with faith, and how to make friends.

[britishboy]

that money is the key of life, never be walked over and have on open relationship with them, I also agree sex should be openly talked about

[Sir Suomi]

Good moral values, I will bring them up Christian, but I'm not going to try and turn them into a "perfect child" like I see so many other parents do. I'll teach them to be tough, to accept defeat and learn from it, patience, the fact that hard work pays off, to become involved in both sports and school activities, and most of all, to accept people for how they are, and to be friendly to everyone.

[randomnessqueen]

teach them to understand good values on their own, and to not just take mine.

[TheDeepestDepths]

teach them to understand good values on their own, and to not just take mine.

You wouldn't teach your child anything at all?

Young children have to be taught how to play gently and kindly with other kids. They need to be taught politeness, respect, patience, honesty and compassion. If they're not taught these things their life is much more difficult. Even from as young as four and five children know they don't want to play with another child who is rough but the rough child who wasn't taught any differently won't understand why they're always left out and alone.

[randomnessqueen]

i would, reread my post.
to teach a child how to understand a value as good on their own, instead of just feeding them yours and telling them to believe its good, is teaching them much more than all of that.
give a man a fish, he eats for a day. teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime. its the same reasoning.

[TheDeepestDepths]

i would, reread my post.
to teach a child how to understand a value as good on their own, instead of just feeding them yours and telling them to believe its good, is teaching them much more than all of that.
give a man a fish, he eats for a day. teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime. its the same reasoning.

Oh, I'm sorry I just read it the wrong way and misunderstood your meaning.

Were saying that you'd teach them why kindness, compassion, respect etc. are important and worthwhile?

[britishboy]

i would, reread my post.
to teach a child how to understand a value as good on their own, instead of just feeding them yours and telling them to believe its good, is teaching them much more than all of that.
give a man a fish, he eats for a day. teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime. its the same reasoning.

what do you mean? let them teach themselves?

[randomnessqueen]

no, ill teach them.
its just like the fish analogy thingy.
your values are just what youve heard from your parents and teachers are they?
you know how to look at values and judge it as being good or not, if not then you will.
but why wait until she is in highschool or college before she realises that she can judge something as good or not for her self

Oh, I'm sorry I just read it the wrong way and misunderstood your meaning.

Were saying that you'd teach them why kindness, compassion, respect etc. are important and worthwhile?

yes basically.
teach them to reason why somethings good, and not just take a word for it.


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[Synyster Shadows]

Out of curiosity, what sort of values would you try and instill in them when/if you have kids?

Personally, it would be open-mindedness, the importance of love and friendship, self-worth, respect, and the importance of determination, persistence, and hard-work.

I'm also going to teach them the sex is not something taboo that should never be discussed.

This and that they should choose friends based on the person's personality and to not give a damn about fitting in. Cuz hell, I don't fit in at school but I'm ok with it. I'd also teach them not to listen to or spread gossip or rumors.

Oh, another would be to make it clear to them that it's ok to not get things done the first time, that at least they tried. I'd tell them they only fail when they don't try at all.

[Danny_boi 16]

I was raised in a Roman Catholic household ;therefore, I plan to raise my children in a Roman Catholic household. However, I'm more open minded to the idea that children can make their own decision of their own free will. But I will still use the values of the Roman Catholic Church.

[Bethany]

Open-mindedness, cultural awareness, the important of understand current events and the world around you, the importance of critical thinking, and self-esteem.

I would teach my kids that you don't have to feel respect or affection, but there are points at which you have to show some sort of respect or affection.

[Cicero]

that money is the key of life, never be walked over and have on open relationship with them, I also agree sex should be openly talked about

What? I don't get it, will you teach them that success is important?

Hmmm let me think.....

They would be raised Christian/catholic. They would learn to respect women and elders, open doors for them, etc.

Also, due to a few big things currently happening in my life, I will teach them the value of money, and that everything will not be handed to them (though they will be moderately spoiled), I will also teach them class. I would be very open with them about sex and stuff like that, and even drugs. With the drug thing, I would basically say "If you want to experiment with drugs, please allow me to get them for you and please allow me to watch over you" I know it sounds irresponsible, but honestly, if they're determined enough, they could get it from anywhere, and who knows the quality of them and who knows what kind of environment it would be in. Like with shrooms, you must be watched by someone sober. And I would be that person for them. Obviously, it wouldn't be anything intense, like heroin, crack, etc.

Just stuff like pot, shrooms, etc.

I will raise them to be pro life, among other things. Oh, and I would allow cussing. Just not a bunch, I don't wanna hear them cuss every sentence, once in a conversation is good enough lol

And lastly. Because they are MY children and NOT YOURS, I would teach them the importance of traditional marriage. This isn't up for debate, I don't care what you say. I wouldn't be teaching them hate by doing this.

I would also try to mold my son into someone that I myself wanted to be, but could never achieve.

I would also want them to go on to do something successful and prominent. And if things workout to how they should now, my plan for them, is whatever they would make in that profession, I would match and give to them. So if they wanted to be a professor, and say a professor made $90,000 a year, I would give them an additional $90,000. I would only do that for the first 5 years, as I would hope it'd encourage them to go on and do something successful. Also, depending on how they turn out, I would love to give them a large amount of stock right when they turn 18.

[Josh Morgan]

Out of curiosity, what sort of values would you try and instill in them when/if you have kids?

Personally, it would be open-mindedness, the importance of love and friendship, self-worth, respect, and the importance of determination, persistence, and hard-work.

I'm also going to teach them the sex is not something taboo that should never be discussed.

Everything you just listed are the things that were instilled in me by my folks. I'm just going to pass it all on.

[britishboy]

What? I don't get it, will you teach them that success is important?

Hmmm let me think.....

They would be raised Christian/catholic. They would learn to respect women and elders, open doors for them, etc.

Also, due to a few big things currently happening in my life, I will teach them the value of money, and that everything will not be handed to them (though they will be moderately spoiled), I will also teach them class. I would be very open with them about sex and stuff like that, and even drugs. With the drug thing, I would basically say "If you want to experiment with drugs, please allow me to get them for you and please allow me to watch over you" I know it sounds irresponsible, but honestly, if they're determined enough, they could get it from anywhere, and who knows the quality of them and who knows what kind of environment it would be in. Like with shrooms, you must be watched by someone sober. And I would be that person for them. Obviously, it wouldn't be anything intense, like heroin, crack, etc.

Just stuff like pot, shrooms, etc.

I will raise them to be pro life, among other things. Oh, and I would allow cussing. Just not a bunch, I don't wanna hear them cuss every sentence, once in a conversation is good enough lol

And lastly. Because they are MY children and NOT YOURS, I would teach them the importance of traditional marriage. This isn't up for debate, I don't care what you say. I wouldn't be teaching them hate by doing this.

I would also try to mold my son into someone that I myself wanted to be, but could never achieve.

I would also want them to go on to do something successful and prominent. And if things workout to how they should now, my plan for them, is whatever they would make in that profession, I would match and give to them. So if they wanted to be a professor, and say a professor made $90,000 a year, I would give them an additional $90,000. I would only do that for the first 5 years, as I would hope it'd encourage them to go on and do something successful. Also, depending on how they turn out, I would love to give them a large amount of stock right when they turn 18.

I would teach them that money is very very important and yolo so yeah success is very important and I agree with most things u say, your gonna be a great parent:)

[HockeyLovesMe]

i have never really thoght about it but i wld have the same morals as me id think :)

[Cicero]

I would teach them that money is very very important and yolo so yeah success is very important and I agree with most things u say, your gonna be a great parent:)

Then I agree


I'd be pretty disappointed if my kids wanted to be something like a teacher or something, because of the fact that teachers don't make much.

And thank you:)

[chrisf55]

I think things like respect and honesty should be taught to them, but not how people are doing it today. People recently just throw the words everywhere and lose all meaning of it. They should learn it by growing up in that kind of environment, not have words like respect yelled at them in disrespectful ways as people are trying to do today.

[Jess]

I'm never having kids...but...

how to think with logic, not faith; be open-minded; respect, persistence; hard work; love and friendship

[teen.jpg]

Treat everyone equal. That's very important.

[Stronk Serb]

I would try to make my children embrace communist values and then communism as I did. But if they don't want to, I won't mind, I would just teach them moral valuescI was taught and how to make friends. They have a right to choose. That will happen if I decide to have kids, of course.

[britishboy]

I would try to make my children embrace communist values and then communism as I did. But if they don't want to, I won't mind, I would just teach them moral valuescI was taught and how to make friends. They have a right to choose. That will happen if I decide to have kids, of course.

you sound like your gonna be a great parent:) too many people are so forceful now, how many kids do you want?

[Stronk Serb]

you sound like your gonna be a great parent:) too many people are so forceful now, how many kids do you want?



I just do not want to be like my mother =S
I don't know maybe a son and a daughter. The only thing I would be forceful about is going out and time to go home. I do not want my son dating some sponzorusha (a girl which only wants money). Or my daughter dating some hooligan or "swagger". I also do not want to spend sleepless nights wondering where they are, just to find out they are at a party. I would make arrangement about returning home late at night probably. Of course this is just in theory, but I will have to wait or 13 years or so to see this in practice.

[Harry Smith]

I have no idea, I think people of our age making decisions about kids is pretty stupid really, I mean it's nice to think about it but fuck knows what is going to happen in the next 20 years. I mean I've seen some people who have the most normal parents yet they are really crazy and tend to delve into pretty heavy drugs. I think as much as we like to think we can I doubt parents can really influence there children that much, especially with so much other factors e.g school, internet, TV

[tovaris]

Liberté, égalité, fraternité

[likemike]

Persistence, never to trust anyone, basics of self-defence, how to think with logic and not with faith, and how to make friends.

How are they supposed to make friends if the don't trust anyone?

[Cygnus]

How are they supposed to make friends if the don't trust anyone?

You can have friends and not trust them, I have a bunch of friends, and trust only one.

[Origami]

Then I agree


I'd be pretty disappointed if my kids wanted to be something like a teacher or something, because of the fact that teachers don't make much.

And thank you:)

What's wrong with being a teacher? Money isn't everything, mind you. Happiness is in what you do.

Also, note, high school teachers who aren't lazy can pull upward of $90,000 /yr. That's decent money.

[Cicero]

What's wrong with being a teacher? Money isn't everything, mind you. Happiness is in what you do.

Also, note, high school teachers who aren't lazy can pull upward of $90,000 /yr. That's decent money.

It depends where you live, but most of the time a teacher would make $70,000 at most.

I know money isn't everything, but chances are if they chose a job that made less than $80-90,000 a year, they would be spending more than that. I just want them to add to the wealth and not subtract from it, so if I gave them $5 million in stock, I'd want them to at least add to that wealth and nt take away. So if they made $60,000 a year, Id want them to only spend $60,000, not $100,000 or even $70,000. If they were able to make $100,000-$300,000 a year, then they'd be able to get a bunch of stuff without subtracting from their wealth. If they became a teacher in the hopes of becoming a superintendent or something like that then I would support them, but I wouldn't want them to just be a teacher.

[Origami]

It depends where you live, but most of the time a teacher would make $70,000 at most.

I know money isn't everything, but chances are if they chose a job that made less than $80-90,000 a year, they would be spending more than that. I just want them to add to the wealth and not subtract from it, so if I gave them $5 million in stock, I'd want them to at least add to that wealth and nt take away. So if they made $60,000 a year, Id want them to only spend $60,000, not $100,000 or even $70,000. If they were able to make $100,000-$300,000 a year, then they'd be able to get a bunch of stuff without subtracting from their wealth. If they became a teacher in the hopes of becoming a superintendent or something like that then I would support them, but I wouldn't want them to just be a teacher.

I think this is the problem with the coming generation. It's all about money and material possessions. There is this idea that you have to have the latest and greatest releases, or rather, whatever a certain company releases. Otherwise you're not worth anything.
My family makes less than, let me stress this, less than $30,000 annually. And I can assure you, I am very, very happy with my life as it has been up to such.
Money literally means nothing, possessions mean nothing. It's this backwards ideal that what we own makes us who we are.

[britishboy]

It depends where you live, but most of the time a teacher would make $70,000 at most.

I know money isn't everything, but chances are if they chose a job that made less than $80-90,000 a year, they would be spending more than that. I just want them to add to the wealth and not subtract from it, so if I gave them $5 million in stock, I'd want them to at least add to that wealth and nt take away. So if they made $60,000 a year, Id want them to only spend $60,000, not $100,000 or even $70,000. If they were able to make $100,000-$300,000 a year, then they'd be able to get a bunch of stuff without subtracting from their wealth. If they became a teacher in the hopes of becoming a superintendent or something like that then I would support them, but I wouldn't want them to just be a teacher.

a teacher is an average middle class job, im gonna get my kids in to business, thats where the money is

[Cicero]

I think this is the problem with the coming generation. It's all about money and material possessions. There is this idea that you have to have the latest and greatest releases, or rather, whatever a certain company releases. Otherwise you're not worth anything.
My family makes less than, let me stress this, less than $30,000 annually. And I can assure you, I am very, very happy with my life as it has been up to such.
Money literally means nothing, possessions mean nothing. It's this backwards ideal that what we own makes us who we are.
Money makes life easier and nicer and financially worry free.

I know what it's like, my mom has always made less than $20,000-$25,000 a year. While back when the economy was good, my dad was making well over $800,000 a year (we didn't really show off the money, we just bought a nice house and a nice car/truck, he most invested his money in assets and vacations), when the economy tanked he went down to making $40-$60,000 a year. So we all know money isn't everything, but with my dads plans he just hopes that he will make enough to last our family generations (and its a high chance that it will work out).

He works hard to get enough money and I know he's doing it so I can have a better life, but I know he doesn't want me to have a job that only makes $50,000 a year, he wants me to add to the wealth he makes for me. He doesn't want me to waste it. He doesn't want me to have the worries of finances when I get older. That's what I'd want with my kids and life.

At the end, family is the most important thing to me. If my kids were to get sick, I would give up all my money to save them, and my dad would do the same for me.

[likemike]

You can have friends and not trust them, I have a bunch of friends, and trust only one.

So you do trust a friend

[Harry Smith]

Money makes life easier and nicer and financially worry free.

I know what it's like, my mom has always made less than $20,000-$25,000 a year. While back when the economy was good, my dad was making well over $800,000 a year (we didn't really show off the money, we just bought a nice house and a nice car/truck, he most invested his money in assets and vacations), when the economy tanked he went down to making $40-$60,000 a year. So we all know money isn't everything, but with my dads plans he just hopes that he will make enough to last our family generations (and its a high chance that it will work out).

He works hard to get enough money and I know he's doing it so I can have a better life, but I know he doesn't want me to have a job that only makes $50,000 a year, he wants me to add to the wealth he makes for me. He doesn't want me to waste it. He doesn't want me to have the worries of finances when I get older. That's what I'd want with my kids and life.

At the end, family is the most important thing to me. If my kids were to get sick, I would give up all my money to save them, and my dad would do the same for me.

My Dad is a teacher. He got into school at 7.30 today and got home at 8. Don't try and belittle someone just because they don't have a flash job. Most people work hard for there money, christ my mum only gets paid 15,000 pounds a year but she still works hard. Just because my parents don't drive a Range rover or invest in the stock market doesn't mean that there life is a mess.

The thing about having this great wealth is you end up just becoming a cog in a machine, you have your whole life of being told chase the next deal, chase the money then'll you be happy. Then when you get the money your told to move onto the next deal, one of my uncles worked as a surgeon for 40 years, had a decent house, nice car. Then Parkinsons hit him at age of 64. His money isn't really that much use to him now.

One last point. Who has educated you for the last 9 years or so? Teachers, these terrible middle class slackers you talk about

[Cygnus]

So you do trust a friend

I only trust one, however I have plenty of other friends I do not trust, yet we are still friends.

[likemike]

You can have friends and not trust them, I have a bunch of friends, and trust only one.

I only trust one, however I have plenty of other friends I do not trust, yet we are still friends.

In your post you said you would teach your children not to trust ANYONE

[Cygnus]

In your post you said you would teach your children not to trust ANYONE

Thats how you start out, not trusting anyone, I did not trust ANYONE until I met this one friend.

[Cicero]

My Dad is a teacher. He got into school at 7.30 today and got home at 8. Don't try and belittle someone just because they don't have a flash job. Most people work hard for there money, christ my mum only gets paid 15,000 pounds a year but she still works hard. Just because my parents don't drive a Range rover or invest in the stock market doesn't mean that there life is a mess.

The thing about having this great wealth is you end up just becoming a cog in a machine, you have your whole life of being told chase the next deal, chase the money then'll you be happy. Then when you get the money your told to move onto the next deal, one of my uncles worked as a surgeon for 40 years, had a decent house, nice car. Then Parkinsons hit him at age of 64. His money isn't really that much use to him now.

One last point. Who has educated you for the last 9 years or so? Teachers, these terrible middle class slackers you talk about

I have nothing against teachers, I was just saying that I wouldn't want my kids wasting their money in stuff that they otherwise couldn't afford, I'd want them to live the life they could afford to live with their job, not the life they could afford to live at my expense. If they're a teacher, and they want to live a nice house, they're using their wealth and they're not adding to it. If my kids want to be a teacher, and day they make $60,000 a year, I'd expect them to not spend more than $60,000 a year. Being a teacher, you don't get paid much. I'd hope my kids get paid at least $80,000 a year (realistically, I'd want them to make a yearly paycheck of $100,000-$150,000+).

If my kids wanted to be a teacher, yes, that would be bad. Because that means they wouldn't live the life I'd want them to live (financially worry free, nice houses, cars, etc.). It would also mean that if I did give them most of my wealth. They would be taking away from that wealth. Not adding to it. Which would be bad because that wealth wouldn't be able to last as long as it should (like 3-5 generations).

But I'd highly encourage thm to be something like a lawyer, doctor, banker, etc.

And honestly, what would be the point of being a teacher if you could make $50,000 in a day (if the stock rose by just $.10 a share), so that alone would surely help demotivate them from being something like a teacher. Being a teacher would be like being the first in a family of lawyers to become a janitor, typically you'd wanna be more successful or equally successful as everyone else.

[Harry Smith]

I have nothing against teachers, I was just saying that I wouldn't want my kids wasting their money in stuff that they otherwise couldn't afford, I'd want them to live the life they could afford to live with their job, not the life they could afford to live at my expense. If they're a teacher, and they want to live a nice house, they're using their wealth and they're not adding to it. If my kids want to be a teacher, and day they make $60,000 a year, I'd expect them to not spend more than $60,000 a year. Being a teacher, you don't get paid much. I'd hope my kids get paid at least $80,000 a year (realistically, I'd want them to make a yearly paycheck of $100,000-$150,000+).

If my kids wanted to be a teacher, yes, that would be bad. Because that means they wouldn't live the life I'd want them to live (financially worry free, nice houses, cars, etc.). It would also mean that if I did give them most of my wealth. They would be taking away from that wealth. Not adding to it. Which would be bad because that wealth wouldn't be able to last as long as it should (like 3-5 generations).

But I'd highly encourage thm to be something like a lawyer, doctor, banker, etc.

It's great that your already dictating your kids left when they aren't even born. God knows how domineering your going to be when they're alive. You do know that most kids tend to disagree with there parents, what if your child doesn't want to be a lawyer, what if they want to do something they enjoy. You shouldn't force your children into a job before they're even born, because they will hate you for it.Life has so many ups and downs, you can't simply predict what will happen for the next 25 years

But thanks for completely disregarding teaching as a profession, I'll go and tell my dad that his last 35 years of work have been pointless.

[Origami]

I have nothing against teachers, I was just saying that I wouldn't want my kids wasting their money in stuff that they otherwise couldn't afford, I'd want them to live the life they could afford to live with their job, not the life they could afford to live at my expense. If they're a teacher, and they want to live a nice house, they're using their wealth and they're not adding to it. If my kids want to be a teacher, and day they make $60,000 a year, I'd expect them to not spend more than $60,000 a year. Being a teacher, you don't get paid much. I'd hope my kids get paid at least $80,000 a year (realistically, I'd want them to make a yearly paycheck of $100,000-$150,000+).

If my kids wanted to be a teacher, yes, that would be bad. Because that means they wouldn't live the life I'd want them to live (financially worry free, nice houses, cars, etc.). It would also mean that if I did give them most of my wealth. They would be taking away from that wealth. Not adding to it. Which would be bad because that wealth wouldn't be able to last as long as it should (like 3-5 generations).

But I'd highly encourage thm to be something like a lawyer, doctor, banker, etc.

And honestly, what would be the point of being a teacher if you could make $50,000 in a day (if the stock rose by just $.10 a share), so that alone would surely help demotivate them from being something like a teacher. Being a teacher would be like being the first in a family of lawyers to become a janitor, typically you'd wanna be more successful or equally successful as everyone else.

No, no, no. You imply that not making a bunch of money generates financial problems. Stupid and wasteful spending creates financial problems. You don't need nice houses, clothes, cars, or electronics. They're simply luxuries. They don't make life any easier or more enjoyable unless you're spoiled rotten.

I know families that make upwards of $250,000 a year combined between bother parents who live in 2nd rate homes and own cheap stuff. They have it easy. And their kids are grateful and well rounded. They're super respectful and still know the value of the dollar despite practically being able to get anything they want.

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[Cicero]

It's great that your already dictating your kids left when they aren't even born. God knows how domineering your going to be when they're alive. You do know that most kids tend to disagree with there parents, what if your child doesn't want to be a lawyer, what if they want to do something they enjoy. You shouldn't force your children into a job before they're even born, because they will hate you for it.Life has so many ups and downs, you can't simply predict what will happen for the next 25 years

But thanks for completely disregarding teaching as a profession, I'll go and tell my dad that his last 35 years of work have been pointless.

The lawyer thing was an example.

I never disregarded teaching as a profession. I just want my kids to be something financially successful and have a job that will make good money. If they wanted to become an artist, I would support them, financially and emotionally. If they wanted to become a teacher, I would try my best to make sure they have a good shot at becoming superintendent, if they wanted to be a police officer, I would make sure they had a good shot at becoming a police chief.

[Origami]

The lawyer thing was an example.

I never disregarded teaching as a profession. I just want my kids to be something financially successful and have a job that will make good money. If they wanted to become an artist, I would support them, financially and emotionally. If they wanted to become a teacher, I would try my best to make sure they have a good shot at becoming superintendent, if they wanted to be a police officer, I would make sure they had a good shot at becoming a police chief.

Why piggy back them? It's their life. Children today rely way too much on their parents just as you're trying to impose upon your kid.

Let them stand on their own feet. So what if they fall? When they climb back out they'll be more well-rounded.

[Cicero]

No, no, no. You imply that not making a bunch of money generates financial problems. Stupid and wasteful spending creates financial problems. You don't need nice houses, clothes, cars, or electronics. They're simply luxuries. They don't make life any easier or more enjoyable unless you're spoiled rotten.

I know families that make upwards of $250,000 a year combined between bother parents who live in 2nd rate homes and own cheap stuff. They have it easy. And their kids are grateful and well rounded. They're super respectful and still know the value of the dollar despite practically being able to get anything they want.

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Just because you make lots of money doesn't mean you wouldn't be happy for the small things. You can also still know the value of the dollar even when you're spoiled or when you do have nice luxuries.

[StoppingTime]

The lawyer thing was an example.

I never disregarded teaching as a profession. I just want my kids to be something financially successful and have a job that will make good money. If they wanted to become an artist, I would support them, financially and emotionally. If they wanted to become a teacher, I would try my best to make sure they have a good shot at becoming superintendent, if they wanted to be a police officer, I would make sure they had a good shot at becoming a police chief.

Right, but what if they had absolutely no intention on doing so? What if they wanted to simply be a teacher, or a freelance artist or journalist, or whatever.

And I can guarantee you that if you're kids (or hell, even you) find something you actually enjoy doing and want to pursue, you won't do it for the money - you'll do it because you want to.
Do you honestly think that most businessmen or stock traders are happy? Do you think they always dreamed of working in a 6x6 cubicle or on a stock floor? It's doubtful - but they were in it for the money.

[Cicero]

Why piggy back them? It's their life. Children today rely way too much on their parents just as you're trying to impose upon your kid.

Let them stand on their own feet. So what if they fall? When they climb back out they'll be more well-rounded.

My plan would be to give them a nice amount of money once they turn 18. And watch to see what they do with it, I will provide them their first and second car, and a good middle class home. I will make sure they have a chance to fall and get back up. I don't want them to not value the dollar or be spoiled and act it.

[Sugaree]

I never disregarded teaching as a profession. I just want my kids to be something financially successful and have a job that will make good money. If they wanted to become an artist, I would support them, financially and emotionally. If they wanted to become a teacher, I would try my best to make sure they have a good shot at becoming superintendent, if they wanted to be a police officer, I would make sure they had a good shot at becoming a police chief.

And what if having a job like that isn't something they want? Even if they have a job netting them some 100,000 dollars a year, they might not be happy in the profession. I know my father isn't happy in his profession, yet he still earns a solid 110,000 a year. Is he ultimately happy with it? No, but he always says he's glad to have been successful even in something that he's not overly fond of.

The point Harry and Josh are trying to make is that you shouldn't really want anything for your kids other than whatever they (the kids) want. I certainly don't want my child to be successful just because that might not be what they have in mind. If my kids want to be garbage men or janitors, that's fine as long as they're happy with it. Financially successful? No, but it is my duty as a parent to teach them the value of a dollar and how to properly use money. As long as your kids are happy with what they're doing on their own, you should be happy as well. That's all any parent should want.

[Cicero]

Right, but what if they had absolutely no intention on doing so? What if they wanted to simply be a teacher, or a freelance artist or journalist, or whatever.

And I can guarantee you that if you're kids (or hell, even you) find something you actually enjoy doing and want to pursue, you won't do it for the money - you'll do it because you want to.
Do you honestly think that most businessmen or stock traders are happy? Do you think they always dreamed of working in a 6x6 cubicle or on a stock floor? It's doubtful - but they were in it for the money.

Some people enjoy it.

And as I already said, I'd support them and make sure thy end up successful. If they became a teacher, I'd make sure they'd have a good shot at superintendent.

I know what I want to do, I want to become a chef and own restaurants. That's not a wildly successful job, but it could bring in a good $125,000 a year if I owned a couple of restaurants.

[Origami]

Just because you make lots of money doesn't mean you wouldn't be happy for the small things. You can also still know the value of the dollar even when you're spoiled or when you do have nice luxuries.

Actually, with kids it does. When they're spoon fed everything they become arrogant and believe they are entitled to possessions. They also believe they are superior to other kids. Ever notice rich kids ban together in schools? I'll tell you, it's for a reason.

My plan would be to give them a nice amount of money once they turn 18. And watch to see what they do with it, I will provide them their first and second car, and a good middle class home. I will make sure they have a chance to fall and get back up. I don't want them to not value the dollar or be spoiled and act it.

This is the bullshit kids don't need. Had my parents EVER tried this shit I'd tell them know. I'm still fixing my first car and happy doing it. I don't want them giving me money or a home. That's their fucking accomplishment, not mine. I did nothing but be a good lil' boy to mommy and daddy. No. They don't learn what it means to actually earn something. They were simply given life on a silver platter.

[StoppingTime]

If they became a teacher, I'd make sure they'd have a good shot at superintendent.



ARE YOU NOT GETTING IT, IGNORING ME, OR BOTH?!

What if they don't want a "shot" at any of that? What if they want to be a teacher and nothing more?

[Sugaree]

And as I already said, I'd support them and make sure thy end up successful. If they became a teacher, I'd make sure they'd have a good shot at superintendent.

You do understand that that isn't how having a job works, right? I work for a company that sells Cutco knives, yet I'm not relying on my parents to make sure I get the highest position possible. Do you even believe in self reliance?

[kenoloor]

The lawyer thing was an example.

I never disregarded teaching as a profession. I just want my kids to be something financially successful and have a job that will make good money. If they wanted to become an artist, I would support them, financially and emotionally. If they wanted to become a teacher, I would try my best to make sure they have a good shot at becoming superintendent, if they wanted to be a police officer, I would make sure they had a good shot at becoming a police chief.

Yeah, because your offspring will undoubtedly need your help when it comes to getting employed. I believe the term we use for you folks is "hovercraft".

If you never let your kids make mistakes, how are they supposed to learn from them?

[Cicero]

And what if having a job like that isn't something they want? Even if they have a job netting them some 100,000 dollars a year, they might not be happy in the profession. I know my father isn't happy in his profession, yet he still earns a solid 110,000 a year. Is he ultimately happy with it? No, but he always says he's glad to have been successful even in something that he's not overly fond of.

The point Harry and Josh are trying to make is that you shouldn't really want anything for your kids other than whatever they (the kids) want. I certainly don't want my child to be successful just because that might not be what they have in mind. If my kids want to be garbage men or janitors, that's fine as long as they're happy with it. Financially successful? No, but it is my duty as a parent to teach them the value of a dollar and how to properly use money. As long as your kids are happy with what they're doing on their own, you should be happy as well. That's all any parent should want.

A parent should also want their kids to be successful and not worry about money.

If my kid wanted to be a garbage man, then I have failed as a parent and I would not give him any money what so ever.

[kenoloor]

A parent should also want their kids to be successful and not worry about money.

If my kid wanted to be a garbage man, then I have failed as a parent and I would not give him any money what so ever.

So you'd only support your kid if they did what you wanted them to do? Wow you're going to be a shitty parent.

[Sugaree]

A parent should also want their kids to be successful and not worry about money.

If my kid wanted to be a garbage man, then I have failed as a parent and I would not give him any money what so ever.

Then I hope to every single possible god above that you never have kids. You sound like a controlling and manipulative asshole father.

[The LOLer]

1 sex is okay 2 yolo

Yeah I'd be a great dad.

[Cicero]

ARE YOU NOT GETTING IT, IGNORING ME, OR BOTH?!

What if they don't want a "shot" at any of that? What if they want to be a teacher and nothing more?
If they just wanted to be a teacher, I would be disappointed and I wouldn't give them much money.
You do understand that that isn't how having a job works, right? I work for a company that sells Cutco knives, yet I'm not relying on my parents to make sure I get the highest position possible. Do you even believe in self reliance?
I do. That's why I'll give them money and let them off on their own, who knows, with that money they could double it or even triple it. I'd give them the money so I can see if they could make more from that money, like if they could turn $10,000 into $20,000 I would be happy. Or if they turned $1 million into $2 million.
Yeah, because your offspring will undoubtedly need your help when it comes to getting employed. I believe the term we use for you folks is "hovercraft".

If you never let your kids make mistakes, how are they supposed to learn from them?

I'd make sure they would be able to fall on their own. But if they can't seem to get back up I would help. I won't help them in every little situation, I'd make sure that they learn their lesson so they become stronger. If they gambled away everything they had and they were on the street, I would allow them to stay on the street for a few months, then I would come and help them.

[Origami]

A parent should also want their kids to be successful and not worry about money.

If my kid wanted to be a garbage man, then I have failed as a parent and I would not give him any money what so ever.

Why? If that's what they want to do give them the freedom to do so. You failed as a parent only by being ashamed of your own child's choices in their life. Being a garbage man is honest, hard work. So what if it's blue collar, unrespected, and low paid?

[Sugaree]

I do. That's why I'll give them money and let them off on their own, who knows, with that money they could double it or even triple it. I'd give them the money so I can see if they could make more from that money, like if they could turn $10,000 into $20,000 I would be happy. Or if they turned $1 million into $2 million.

I hope you realize how much of a hypocrite you are. You talk about spending money responsibly yet you're so willing to shell out money like that to your kids. Apparently you don't know how to count.

[Origami]

...And to think, we actually have to wonder what's wrong with our current generation.

[Cicero]

So you'd only support your kid if they did what you wanted them to do? Wow you're going to be a shitty parent.

Then I hope to every single possible god above that you never have kids. You sound like a controlling and manipulative asshole father.

I wouldn't support of they did something like garbage trucking, if they wanted to own a garbage trucking business I would be proud. I would support them if they wanted to do a lot of things, art, music, teaching, etc.

I'd just hope that they would have enough ambitious to get to the top. If they went into an industry in the hopes of getting to the top, I'd be proud, whatever that industry may be, gambling, music, art, hotels, restaurants, etc.

I'd teach my kids ambition, and that they should never settle for less, that they should always aim high. If they just wanted to do nothing but be a garbage person, I'd consider them lazy and I'd think they had no ambition. Why would I reward laziness and why would I reward someone who isn't ambitious? Especially with money?

[Harry Smith]

If they just wanted to be a teacher, I would be disappointed and I wouldn't give them much money.

I do. That's why I'll give them money and let them off on their own, who knows, with that money they could double it or even triple it. I'd give them the money so I can see if they could make more from that money, like if they could turn $10,000 into $20,000 I would be happy. Or if they turned $1 million into $2 million.


I'd make sure they would be able to fall on their own. But if they can't seem to get back up I would help. I won't help them in every little situation, I'd make sure that they learn their lesson so they become stronger. If they gambled away everything they had and they were on the street, I would allow them to stay on the street for a few months, then I would come and help them.

hahah you haven't even got the money the money yet, arrogant much?

Also don't assume that all garbage men are lazy, one of one's near where my grans lives ended up becoming quite close to her. He served in the Falklands, he isn't lazy he's just had a bad life.

Your sitting at a computer on a Virtual forum dictating where you children will work... maybe you should focus on your own life first

[Cicero]

hahah you haven't even got the money the money yet, arrogant much?

What?

[Sugaree]

What?

To put it in better terms: You don't even have all the money you claim you want to spend; it's arrogant.

[Rayquaza]

I wouldn't support of they did something like garbage trucking, if they wanted to own a garbage trucking business I would be proud. I would support them if they wanted to do a lot of things, art, music, teaching, etc.

I'd just hope that they would have enough ambitious to get to the top. If they went into an industry in the hopes of getting to the top, I'd be proud, whatever that industry may be, gambling, music, art, hotels, restaurants, etc.

I'd teach my kids ambition, and that they should never settle for less, that they should always aim high. If they just wanted to do nothing but be a garbage person, I'd consider them lazy and I'd think they had no ambition. Why would I reward laziness and why would I reward someone who isn't ambitious? Especially with money?

>Implies he'll actually have children
>Says he'll disown them for making their own path


I think kids need to be educated values of our society, as if you don't you basically get this as a result. An uneducated argument put forward by someone who doesn't have any idea what they're talking about.

Congratulations society.

[Origami]

To put it in better terms: You don't even have all the money you claim you want to spend; it's arrogant.

It's okay. Daddy's paying.

[Harry Smith]

To put it in better terms: You don't even have all the money you claim you want to spend; it's arrogant.

my fast typing got the better of me, that was the point I was making. He keeps talking about all this grand wealth that he possess

[Cicero]

To put it in better terms: You don't even have all the money you claim you want to spend; it's arrogant.
Well my family does.
>Implies he'll actually have children
>Says he'll disown them for making their own path


I think kids need to be educated values of our society, as if you don't you basically get this as a result. An uneducated argument put forward by someone who doesn't have any idea what they're talking about.

Congratulations society.
It's not about raising your kids with what society believes in, it's what you believe in. It doesn't matter what society sees as wrong or right, it matters what you see as wrong or right.


my fast typing got the better of me, that was the point I was making. He keeps talking about all this grand wealth that he possess

My family does have wealth, but it will soon have a lot more.

[StoppingTime]

I wouldn't support of they did something like garbage trucking, if they wanted to own a garbage trucking business I would be proud. I would support them if they wanted to do a lot of things, art, music, teaching, etc.

I'd just hope that they would have enough ambitious to get to the top. If they went into an industry in the hopes of getting to the top, I'd be proud, whatever that industry may be, gambling, music, art, hotels, restaurants, etc.

I'd teach my kids ambition, and that they should never settle for less, that they should always aim high. If they just wanted to do nothing but be a garbage person, I'd consider them lazy and I'd think they had no ambition. Why would I reward laziness and why would I reward someone who isn't ambitious? Especially with money?

If you take nothing away from this forum, I sincerely hope you consider the following.

If you should ever have children (and at the moment I'm hoping you don't) understand you aren't them. You are not your children - your children are not you. They aren't going to be mini-you's running around, doing what you say. They're going to do what they want. If you don't succeed in convincing them your fairly pathetic way of life (i.e. always go for the best, most "rewarding" job) they will want nothing to do with it.
If they've got an aspiration to be a garbage trucker, to be an artist, a "simple" (as you seem to think) teacher, or any of these other "low" jobs, they'll do it. They'll do it not only because they love it and want to spend their lives doing it, but they'll do it to show you wrong.

They won't care about money, or clearly they'd choose your way of life. They won't want the best job in their field or anything. They'll do what they are content with, and honestly, that takes a lot more effort and dedication than you'd think. Many people fall into the trap of "money is the key/start/whatever to further happiness" so they work at a shitty job they hate all their lives because it paid well." And what to they get out of it? They get money, monetary possessions, and maybe a nice vacation here and there. But honestly, that's the easy way out. It takes more to follow your dreams than to do that- any idiot who wants money will do that.

tl;i dont know didn't read: Don't expect your kids to like you or any of your ideas. Your kids will be yours, support them because they're your own, not because you like/dislike what they're doing with they're lives.

[Harry Smith]

My family does have wealth, but it will soon have a lot more.

Well done...

[Origami]

It's not about raising your kids with what society believes in, it's what you believe in. It doesn't matter what society sees as wrong or right, it matters what you see as wrong or right.

But it doesn't matter what your kid really wants, right? It's all about walking the line papa set for them.

Good god, you're a living breathing example of why our generation is so fucked up.

[kenoloor]

It's not about raising your kids with what society believes in, it's what you believe in. It doesn't matter what society sees as wrong or right, it matters what you see as wrong or right.

fuck society lol i don't even know what society is or what it entails lol wooo yolo

[Sugaree]

Well my family does.

Jesus Christ kid, when are you gonna get it through your thick skull that no one cares about how rich you apparently are. You really think your family is just going to let you go out and basically flush money down the proverbial shitter? Seriously, get the fucking message that money isn't going to solve all your god damned problems. And it certainly isn't going to be helpful to your kids if you force all your bullshit on them.

[Professional Russian]

Well my family does.

It's not about raising your kids with what society believes in, it's what you believe in. It doesn't matter what society sees as wrong or right, it matters what you see as wrong or right.




My family does have wealth, but it will soon have a lot more.

Yes let's take mommy and daddy's money and give it too my fuck ups. Good way to loose money.

[Rayquaza]

It's not about raising your kids with what society believes in, it's what you believe in. It doesn't matter what society sees as wrong or right, it matters what you see as wrong or right.

Yes but what YOU see what is wrong and right is more twisted than a fucking slinky considering the obscene amount of bullshit that is posted by you that is obviously incorrect, uneducated and just rambling. I would love to elaborate but it's like you're illiterate.

[Cicero]

Jesus Christ kid, when are you gonna get it through your thick skull that no one cares about how rich you apparently are. You really think your family is just going to let you go out and basically flush money down the proverbial shitter? Seriously, get the fucking message that money isn't going to solve all your god damned problems. And it certainly isn't going to be helpful to your kids if you force all your bullshit on them.
My dad will make sure I'm responsible with his money, when he sees i am. He will give me his wealth as he gets older. So it'd be my money and I'd make sure my kids are responsible and have a responsible job before giving them my money.
Yes let's take mommy and daddy's money and give it too my fuck ups. Good way to loose money.

That's the point, if they do something like teaching or a garbage man. I won't give them any money.

[Rayquaza]

My dad will make sure I'm responsible with his money, when he sees i am. He will give me his wealth as he gets older. So it'd be my money and I'd make sure my kids are responsible and have a responsible job before giving them my money.

You're basically going to leech off of your father.

Well aren't you Son of the Year?

[kenoloor]

My dad will make sure I'm responsible with his money, when he sees i am. He will give me his wealth as he gets older. So it'd be my money and I'd make sure my kids are responsible and have a responsible job before giving them my money.

So you would teach your kids to be mindless robots to do your bidding?

You don't happen to be Catholic, do you?

[Origami]

That's the point, if they do something like teaching or a garbage man. I won't give them any money.

You will be a terrible father. Smothering your child's dreams is sickening.

[Sugaree]

That's the point, if they do something like teaching or a garbage man. I won't give them any money.

You must be illiterate. You seriously don't understand a word of what we're saying to you, do you? If you don't understand something, just come out and say it. I mean, fuck, you're just letting a broken record spin without hitting the stop button.

[Cicero]

Yes but what YOU see what is wrong and right is more twisted than a fucking slinky considering the obscene amount of bullshit that is posted by you that is obviously incorrect, uneducated and just rambling. I would love to elaborate but it's like you're illiterate.

As an example..


If I find gay marriage wrong, I would teach my kids that it is wrong. To society, gay marriage is accepted. To me, it isn't. It isn't based off of what society thinks, cause my kids aren't societies kids, they're mine and I could teach them whatever I want. So if I thought gay marriage was wrong, I can teach them it is wrong. (FYI, this is an example, I'm not saying I find it wrong or right).

[Professional Russian]

My dad will make sure I'm responsible with his money, when he sees i am. He will give me his wealth as he gets older. So it'd be my money and I'd make sure my kids are responsible and have a responsible job before giving them my money.


That's the point, if they do something like teaching or a garbage man. I won't give them any money.

How in yhe fuck is teaching a fuck up? They make great money and I love most of my teachers..how's that a fuck up?

[Harry Smith]

As an example..


If I find gay marriage wrong, I would teach my kids that it is wrong. To society, gay marriage is accepted. To me, it isn't. It isn't based off of what society thinks, cause my kids aren't societies kids, they're mine and I could teach them whatever I want. So if I thought gay marriage was wrong, I can teach them it is wrong. (FYI, this is an example, I'm not saying I find it wrong or right).

Pardon Adolf?

[Cicero]

You're basically going to leech off of your father.

Well aren't you Son of the Year?
It may seem like I'd be using my dad, but that's not the case. Him and I have talked about this, he's working as hard as he has for me. So my life can be good, so I can have his money. He's always said he wants to be rich so I can be rich and have his money. I'd only be a leach if I took his money and basically through it away.
So you would teach your kids to be mindless robots to do your bidding?

You don't happen to be Catholic, do you?
My family is catholic.

You will be a terrible father. Smothering your child's dreams is sickening.
Never.

[Origami]

As an example..


If I find gay marriage wrong, I would teach my kids that it is wrong. To society, gay marriage is accepted. To me, it isn't. It isn't based off of what society thinks, cause my kids aren't societies kids, they're mine and I could teach them whatever I want. So if I thought gay marriage was wrong, I can teach them it is wrong. (FYI, this is an example, I'm not saying I find it wrong or right).

You're everyone's nightmare parent. Really. You're suppose to accept your children, no shame them.

I'm not an advocate of gay marriage and would prefer my son to be straight, yes, but dammit if he likes boys then more power to him.

[Sugaree]

How in yhe fuck is teaching a fuck up? They make great money and I love most of my teachers..how's that a fuck up?

Because, according to Cicero and britishboy, those jobs are for "poor people".

[kenoloor]

My family is catholic.

and you're teaching your kids to be minions? I'M SHOCKED.

[Cicero]

How in yhe fuck is teaching a fuck up? They make great money and I love most of my teachers..how's that a fuck up?
$60,000 a year does not equal great money. My figurative kids could be just as impact full being a superintendent as they would being a teacher.
Pardon Adolf?

Ja?

lol Jk. It was just an example, calm down

[Professional Russian]

Because, according to Cicero and britishboy, those jobs are for "poor people".

See is why I hate VT some days. The stupidity is amazing

[Origami]

Some people. I'm out, and I leave you all with this;

Okay. That's it. I give up. From this day forth, I cease all efforts to try educating people on this forum.

[Professional Russian]

$60,000 a year does not equal great money. My figurative kids could be just as impact full being a superintendent as they would being a teacher.


Ja?

lol Jk. It was just an example, calm down

$60,000? That's great.money for one person.

[Rayquaza]

It may seem like I'd be using my dad, but that's not the case. Him and I have talked about this, he's working as hard as he has for me. So my life can be good, so I can have his money. He's always said he wants to be rich so I can be rich and have his money. I'd only be a leach if I took his money and basically through it away.

You're a leech cause it's not even you're fucking money. It's his. HE WORKED HARD FOR IT. Gosh, is your IQ 7 or something? You're a leach cause you're taking his money and not working yourself. Besides, money isn't everything you know. You would be a bad parent anyway, that's evident enough, with your morals and attitudes. Money will not help you here, and if you ever have children (I doubt even a woman would find this attitude attractive) then I'm pretty sure those children will probably end up with you, alone and confused.

[Harry Smith]

The only positive thing I can get from this is how we've all somehow united. People power anyone?

[Cicero]

$60,000? That's great.money for one person.its decent money. Not great. Great money would be $100,000

You're a leech cause it's not even you're fucking money. It's his. HE WORKED HARD FOR IT. Gosh, is your IQ 7 or something? You're a leach cause you're taking his money and not working yourself. Besides, money isn't everything you know. You would be a bad parent anyway, that's evident enough, with your morals and attitudes. Money will not help you here, and if you ever have children (I doubt even a woman would find this attitude attractive) then I'm pretty sure those children will probably end up with you, alone and confused.

Well he's alright with it, cause he said he wants me to have his money. But I too will work hard to add to his wealth. That's why I don't want my kids having some low paying job, cause they'd be taking away from the wealth. I'd be adding to it.

[Professional Russian]

its decent money. Not great. Great money would be $100,000



Well he's alright with it, cause he said he wants me to have his money. But I too will work hard to add to his wealth. That's why I don't want my kids having some low paying job, cause they'd be taking away from the wealth. I'd be adding to it.

You are so. Oh Jesus. I quit. I fucking quit. You are so legimatly stubborn it is not even funny.

[Rayquaza]

Well he's alright with it, cause he said he wants me to have his money. But I too will work hard to add to his wealth. That's why I don't want my kids having some low paying job, cause they'd be taking away from the wealth. I'd be adding to it.

Do you even think before you type?

You're dad is giving YOU money because someone like YOU probably won't have a job. Besides, you're speaking as if they're a burden. Someone like you shouldn't even be allowed children.

[Danny Phantom]

its decent money. Not great. Great money would be $100,000



Well he's alright with it, cause he said he wants me to have his money. But I too will work hard to add to his wealth. That's why I don't want my kids having some low paying job, cause they'd be taking away from the wealth. I'd be adding to it.

Money isn't everything I'll tell ya. There have been psychological studies that prove that the more money you have, the less happier you will be. If your kid wants to do a job that YOU think isn't the best, let them. They will be doing the job, not YOU. GOOD parents let their kids follow their desires.

Money < Happiness

[Emerald Dream]

I have nothing against teachers, I was just saying that I wouldn't want my kids wasting their money in stuff that they otherwise couldn't afford, I'd want them to live the life they could afford to live with their job, not the life they could afford to live at my expense. If they're a teacher, and they want to live a nice house, they're using their wealth and they're not adding to it. If my kids want to be a teacher, and day they make $60,000 a year, I'd expect them to not spend more than $60,000 a year. Being a teacher, you don't get paid much. I'd hope my kids get paid at least $80,000 a year (realistically, I'd want them to make a yearly paycheck of $100,000-$150,000+).

If my kids wanted to be a teacher, yes, that would be bad. Because that means they wouldn't live the life I'd want them to live (financially worry free, nice houses, cars, etc.). It would also mean that if I did give them most of my wealth. They would be taking away from that wealth. Not adding to it. Which would be bad because that wealth wouldn't be able to last as long as it should (like 3-5 generations).

But I'd highly encourage thm to be something like a lawyer, doctor, banker, etc.

And honestly, what would be the point of being a teacher if you could make $50,000 in a day (if the stock rose by just $.10 a share), so that alone would surely help demotivate them from being something like a teacher. Being a teacher would be like being the first in a family of lawyers to become a janitor, typically you'd wanna be more successful or equally successful as everyone else.

I know I am a little late to this party, but let me just say this.

You have no idea what you are talking about, and I do not appreciate you coming here and pretty much bashing my career choice.

I plan on going to school to be a teacher because I want to be a teacher. Money is nice, but I want to do something in life that I enjoy and I feel is important. Teaching children is important to me. Being satisfied at the end of the day, no matter how much money I make (or do not), means a lot.

I would much rather have a few smiles than a few dollars. I would rather have just one child look back and think that I made a difference...than sit lonely at the top of an office building (possibly counting some money that doesn't make me really happy). I guess I "value" life a lot different than you do.

[Cicero]

Do you even think before you type?

You're dad is giving YOU money because someone like YOU probably won't have a job. Besides, you're speaking as if they're a burden. Someone like you shouldn't even be allowed children.
My dad would be giving it to me after he knows I'm responsible enough. I will have a job and I do have ambition to work and be successful.
I know I am a little late to this party, but let me just say this.

You have no idea what you are talking about, and I do not appreciate you coming here and pretty much bashing my career choice.

I plan on going to school to be a teacher because I want to be a teacher. Money is nice, but I want to do something in life that I enjoy and I feel is important. Teaching children is important to me. Being satisfied at the end of the day, no matter how much money I make (or do not), means a lot.

I would much rather have a few smiles than a few dollars. I would rather have just one child look back and think that I made a difference...than sit lonely at the top of an office building (possibly counting some money that doesn't make me really happy). I guess I "value" life a lot different than you do.
It's great you want to do that. But I'd rather make a bunch of money at something I'm not gonna enjoy for the first part of my life, then spend the second part doing something I'd like, then, I'd be financially set the rest of my life while doing something I enjoy and still make money from it.

[Origami]

It's great you want to do that. But I'd rather make a bunch of money at something I'm not gonna enjoy for the first part of my life, then spend the second part doing something I'd like, then, I'd be financially set the rest of my life while doing something I enjoy and still make money from it.

And that's you. Let me stress this in case you didn't get it the first time: that's YOUR own will. Your own choice. Why would you impose that on your child? Why the fuck would any parent want their child to have to work a miserable job? I'm not even sure if you're serious any more or just trying to troll and fail at the same time.

[Cicero]

And that's you. Let me stress this in case you didn't get it the first time: that's YOUR own will. Your own choice. Why would you impose that on your child? Why the fuck would any parent want their child to have to work a miserable job? I'm not even sure if you're serious any more or just trying to troll and fail at the same time.

They can do whatever they want. But I just don't want them to deduct from the famil wealth, I want them to add to it. So if they're content spending $50,000 a year, and having no nice cars or houses, then fine. I'd be proud they can live so content. But chances are, they'd want a nice house and a nice car, which is something you can't get on a teachers budget. I want to raise my kids to be successful, I don't want them to settle for a low paying job. It'd be one thing if they wanted to teach in their golden years as something that's a fun little "activity" or "hobby" but it'd be another if that's what they wanted to do for the rest of their lives.

[Origami]

They can do whatever they want. But I just don't want them to deduct from the famil wealth, I want them to add to it. So if they're content spending $50,000 a year, and having no nice cars or houses, then fine. I'd be proud they can live so content. But chances are, they'd want a nice house and a nice car, which is something you can't get on a teachers budget. I want to raise my kids to be successful, I don't want them to settle for a low paying job. It'd be one thing if they wanted to teach in their golden years as something that's a fun little "activity" or "hobby" but it'd be another if that's what they wanted to do for the rest of their lives.

How stupid can you be? Teachers can have good cars. Teachers can have good houses. And you know what? A lot of them do! Why? Because they're not stupid and don't assume it takes a $150,000+ annual salary to have nice shit. They know how to budget and properly spend without pointlessly wasting shit. On top of that, most families have two working adults these days. $60,000 + $60,000 = $120,000. Which is a comparable amount of money.

And you don't teach as a fucking hobby. Tutor, maybe. Teachers are required to not only get a bachelor's degree but then have to receive several certifications and renewals to keep their license. On top of that, most continue to get their master's degree and the pay raise that comes with it.

It's obvious you have a very fucked up mentality and have no problem placing wealthier people over those with less wealth. And you want to raise your kids to be successful? What the unholy fuck isn't successful about earning and maintaining a teaching license? You don't have to be a god damn doctor or lawyer to be successful.

I come from a family, all around, who make less than $30,000 annually. Not just my home, my whole entirely family. None of the adults or kids graduated high school and all work dead end jobs. Are you saying that my ambitions to graduate high school and then proceed to become a teacher through several years of college was all for not? And that I'll never be successful simply because I didn't choose a profession that paid in six figures?

[Hyper]

Yes it most definitely does.

Probably means you and your entire family are leeches as well...

Possibly evil socialists that want to take away rich peoples money for themselves because they are jealous!

OT;

Nr 1 would be independence of action & thought coupled with the ability of constructive criticism and analysation.

After that compassion, understanding others through it, honesty, not sure how to sum it up in a single word but resource management in terms of environment and finances: not wasting food, energy or money.

I'd also want to teach my kid not to live their life based on other peoples wants or opinions.

[Harry Smith]

They can do whatever they want. But I just don't want them to deduct from the famil wealth, I want them to add to it. So if they're content spending $50,000 a year, and having no nice cars or houses, then fine. I'd be proud they can live so content. But chances are, they'd want a nice house and a nice car, which is something you can't get on a teachers budget. I want to raise my kids to be successful, I don't want them to settle for a low paying job. It'd be one thing if they wanted to teach in their golden years as something that's a fun little "activity" or "hobby" but it'd be another if that's what they wanted to do for the rest of their lives.

Teaching isn't a hobby....

[Professional Russian]

They can do whatever they want. But I just don't want them to deduct from the famil wealth, I want them to add to it. So if they're content spending $50,000 a year, and having no nice cars or houses, then fine. I'd be proud they can live so content. But chances are, they'd want a nice house and a nice car, which is something you can't get on a teachers budget. I want to raise my kids to be successful, I don't want them to settle for a low paying job. It'd be one thing if they wanted to teach in their golden years as something that's a fun little "activity" or "hobby" but it'd be another if that's what they wanted to do for the rest of their lives.

Let me ask you this. What if your kids are making $160,000 a year but theyre working 12 hours a day every day of the week?

[Cicero]

Yes it most definitely does.

Probably means you and your entire family are leeches as well...

Possibly evil socialists that want to take away rich peoples money for themselves because they are jealous!

OT;

Nr 1 would be independence of action & thought coupled with the ability of constructive criticism and analysation.

After that compassion, understanding others through it, honesty, not sure how to sum it up in a single word but resource management in terms of environment and finances: not wasting food, energy or money.

I'd also want to teach my kid not to live their life based on other peoples wants or opinions.how is my entire family leeches? By the terms used on here, I'm the only one who'd be a leech cause my dad would be giving me his money on his own free will.

Let me ask you this. What if your kids are making $160,000 a year but theyre working 12 hours a day every day of the week?

Not many jobs would require you to work 12 hours a day, except in the casino industry.

[kenoloor]

Either my posts keep getting deleted, or...

Anywho,

They can do whatever they want. But I just don't want them to deduct from the famil wealth, I want them to add to it.

So your family's wealth is more important than your kids' happiness? That is nothing short of a shitty attitude.

[Cicero]

Either my posts keep getting deleted, or...

Anywho,



So your family's wealth is more important than your kids' happiness? That is nothing short of a shitty attitude.

They can do whatever they want, but they just had Better hope they're ok with making and living off of $60,000 a year.

Chances are they won't be happy doing a job like teaching or trash clean up.

[kenoloor]

They can do whatever they want, but they just had Better hope they're ok with making and living off of $60,000 a year.

Chances are they won't be happy doing a job like teaching or trash clean up.

And you know this...how?

[Cicero]

And you know this...how?

If you're raised in an environment tht glorifies success, why in the world would you go on to be something that isn't defined as success? It's like when your family is hardcore football fans, chances are, you'll be a hardcore football fan of whatever team is your families favorite.

Chances are my kids would want a job worth talking/bragging about, and teaching isn't one of them. Whenever a teacher goes in a restaurant and those servers know they're serving teachers, those teachers won't receive as good of service. Because teachers are known for being cheap. They won't receive a bad service, they just won't receive the best.

[Emerald Dream]

If you're raised in an environment tht glorifies success, why in the world would you go on to be something that isn't defined as success? It's like when your family is hardcore football fans, chances are, you'll be a hardcore football fan of whatever team is your families favorite.

Chances are my kids would want a job worth talking/bragging about, and teaching isn't one of them. Whenever a teacher goes in a restaurant and those servers know they're serving teachers, those teachers won't receive as good of service. Because teachers are known for being cheap. They won't receive a bad service, they just won't receive the best.

You are so off-base here in your ignorance that it's not even funny.

How are teachers "known for being cheap?" Please provide proof of this. Or is this in the fantasy land you live your life?

I am a lot different than you. You need to realize that not everyone thinks like you, or should think like you. Let your children grow up to be who they want to be. Otherwise they will be extremely miserable.

I think being a teacher is worth talking about. At least moreso than having a parent (like you presume to be in the future...and good luck with that btw) shove his pretentious load of crap down their childrens' throats.

[kenoloor]

Chances are my kids would want a job worth talking/bragging about, and teaching isn't one of them. Whenever a teacher goes in a restaurant and those servers know they're serving teachers, those teachers won't receive as good of service. Because teachers are known for being cheap. They won't receive a bad service, they just won't receive the best.

You're saying that teaching is a profession that isn't worth talking about which implies that it isn't very rewarding or interesting. And I would argue that teaching, interacting with young minds, sculpting how children perceive the world, learn about the world, observe the world, is CONSIDERABLY more rewarding than sitting behind a desk and rotting your brains in front of a computer screen from 9 to 5 every day. Financially, it may be less rewarding, but it's not all about money.

Let me say that again.
It's not all about money.
IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT MONEY.
IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT MONEY.

If your kids choose to take a job that is more personally rewarding than it is financially rewarding, then you're essentially going to say "okay, well I've failed as a parent and my kid can just piss off. I'm not going to support them in their endeavors."

That, my dear, is fucking stupid.

[Cicero]

You are so off-base here in your ignorance that it's not even funny.

How are teachers "known for being cheap?" Please provide proof of this. Or is this in the fantasy land you live your life?

I am a lot different than you. You need to realize that not everyone thinks like you, or should think like you. Let your children grow up to be who they want to be. Otherwise they will be extremely miserable.

I think being a teacher is worth talking about. At least moreso than having a parent (like you presume to be in the future...and good luck with that btw) shove his pretentious load of crap down their childrens' throats.

There's no Facebook saying they're cheap. It's just something that many waiters know. If I were to go out and ask a bunch of waiters "Are teachers good tippers?" They'd say no. I already know this, when my parents owned 2 restaurants, they always made remarks saying "Oh they're teachers" letting the other staff know that they shouldn't expect a good tip (5-15% tip at most).

Alright, being a teacher is somehow worth talking about, but it's not worth bragging about. If all they wanted to be was trash clean up or teachers, I'd pity them for not being ambitious enough or taking risks.

You're saying that teaching is a profession that isn't worth talking about which implies that it isn't very rewarding or interesting. And I would argue that teaching, interacting with young minds, sculpting how children perceive the world, learn about the world, observe the world, is CONSIDERABLY more rewarding than sitting behind a desk and rotting your brains in front of a computer screen from 9 to 5 every day. Financially, it may be less rewarding, but it's not all about money.

Let me say that again.
It's not all about money.
IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT MONEY.
IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT MONEY.

If your kids choose to take a job that is more personally rewarding than it is financially rewarding, then you're essentially going to say "okay, well I've failed as a parent and my kid and just piss off."

That, my dear, is fucking stupid.

Ha! Like any one teacher helps mold the minds of a student:rolleyes: Sure they can make a small difference, but it's not a big difference they can make.

Yes, teaching is not only interesting but it's also not anything you can be proud of and brag about (of course, if you brag that you're a teacher people are probably laughing at you saying what delusional world did you come from).

If being a teacher is so rewarding, how come they always complain about their pay not being enough? If my kids want to do that when they get older, I'd be happy. But I don't want them doing such a job while they're young. I want them to have a nice life that can afford different luxuries.

I have nothing against teachers, and you people are making me sund like I do. But all I'm saying is that teaching won't be for my kids. If they were to become a teacher, they'd better prepare for a life of financial hardship (considering the starting amount for teaching is only $30,000 a year) and they'd also prepare to receive very little money from me.

Ill raise my kids to take risks, big and small and to be ambitious. Teaching is certainly not any of those.


-please do not double post. -Emerald Dream

[Emerald Dream]

Chances are my kids would want a job worth talking/bragging about, and teaching isn't one of them.

Alright, being a teacher is somehow worth talking about, but it's not worth bragging about.

You sure like to backtrack a lot, and it looks even more terrible on consecutive posts. :lol: Make up your mind.

And I think it's safe to say we can now add elitist to your growing list of adjectives. Your parents owned a few restaurants. Big deal. So you have a great sample size to make your assessment of the "cheapness" of teachers across the country (or the world)? That's only reinforcing your ignorance.

Like I said before, and others have said - I may not make a lot of money in my life, but I will probably be happy and satisfied what I actually DO with my life at the end of the day. I will leave a more positive impression as a whole than you could ever dream of doing. That is more important to me than sitting alone and wondering why my kids hate me because they were forced to conform to narrow-minded standards, which is a very likely scenario for you.

[kenoloor]

I have nothing against teachers, and you people are making me sund like I do.

Let's examine that, shall we?

Ha! Like any one teacher helps mold the minds of a student:rolleyes:

of course, if you brag that you're a teacher people are probably laughing at you

But I don't want them doing such a job while they're young.

Ill raise my kids to take risks, big and small and to be ambitious. Teaching is certainly not any of those.

Yep, you definitely have NOTHING against teachers.

But all I'm saying is that teaching won't be for my kids.

Because you'll be forcing your elitist egotistical idiotic bullshit ideals down their throats? Yeah.

[Emerald Dream]

Ha! Like any one teacher helps mold the minds of a student:rolleyes: Sure they can make a small difference, but it's not a big difference they can make.

You've had some really narrow-minded statements in this forum, but THIS has got to be one of the most ignorant and untrue things I have ever read in my life.

I seriously question whether you are trolling this board or not.

Many, many people have credited a certain teacher in their life for helping them. Whether it is academically or with understanding of something going on in their outside life. Yes, ONE teacher can, and often does make a difference in whether a child has a desire to learn...or pursue a certain career when they get older. Teachers also help children deal with their emotional problems...whether it is dealing with parents, divorces, depression, or motivational issues.

Yes, sometimes the pay could probably be a little better. Life is not always about money and luxuries, contrary to what you believe. You need to understand that other people have their own opinions, and that includes your own children. It doesn't matter what you want them to do. It matters what THEY want to do.

[Origami]

Ha! Like any one teacher helps mold the minds of a student:rolleyes: Sure they can make a small difference, but it's not a big difference they can make.

Sharon Glass; My ninth and eleventh grade English teacher to this day is the biggest inspirational figure in my life.

Try again. You really should start thinking some before you speak.

[Rayquaza]

Ha! Like any one teacher helps mold the minds of a student:rolleyes: Sure they can make a small difference, but it's not a big difference they can make.

The only reason you're saying that is because your mind is literally a blank canvas, you're unintelligent and an idiot, and above all I'm pretty sure every teacher has given up on you. My teachers are a big inspiration. I've had 3 gay teachers, I've had students as teachers, I've had very old teachers, and I've had those that make me laugh. Teachers always inspire me. Your teachers are just sick of you so they don't bother.

[Professional Russian]

how is my entire family leeches? By the terms used on here, I'm the only one who'd be a leech cause my dad would be giving me his money on his own free will.



Not many jobs would require you to work 12 hours a day, except in the casino industry.

And the welding industry.....cause that's what I'm gonna be working for.

[Mob Boss]

Wow, some of these posts about teachers are extremely insulting, seeing as I want to be a special education teacher. Every one of my teachers have made an impact on me and helped make me who I am today, so thinking of teachers as if they are nothing is extremely daft. It's also really sad to think there are people out there that only thrive off of wealth and greed, rather than happiness.



If I ever have kids (doubtful), the biggest thing I'd ingrain in them is to be the very best version of themselves. Also, respect and humility, which seems to be lacking in a lot of folks these days. :rolleyes: And, as cliche as it sounds, to do what they love no matter the salary or lack thereof. Sure, they'd learn the importance of financial stability, but I'm not going to force them to be a doctor or lawyer only to find out they're nothing but a sad, empty schmuck. Whatever makes them happy is all I would want.

[xXl0sth0peXx]

If my kids are happy, healthy, and safe, then I'm happy. They can do what they want to do. My brother wants a mohawk and he's getting a mohawk. If that's the worst thing he wants, my mom's gonna let him, and I see no reason not to. Hair grows back. Just like me and getting it dyed.

If my kid wants to not go to college and be like a hair dresser or a garbage person, all the power to them. I'm not gonna hate them because they don't have a multimillion dollar estate.

[Professional Russian]

If my kids are happy, healthy, and safe, then I'm happy. They can do what they want to do. My brother wants a mohawk and he's getting a mohawk. If that's the worst thing he wants, my mom's gonna let him, and I see no reason not to. Hair grows back. Just like me and getting it dyed.

If my kid wants to not go to college and be like a hair dresser or a garbage person, all the power to them. I'm not gonna hate them because they don't have a multimillion dollar estate.

Cant have that now. If your child isn't making millions of dollars you should disown them......at least according to Cicero

[Cicero]

You sure like to backtrack a lot, and it looks even more terrible on consecutive posts. :lol: Make up your mind.

And I think it's safe to say we can now add elitist to your growing list of adjectives. Your parents owned a few restaurants. Big deal. So you have a great sample size to make your assessment of the "cheapness" of teachers across the country (or the world)? That's only reinforcing your ignorance.

Like I said before, and others have said - I may not make a lot of money in my life, but I will probably be happy and satisfied what I actually DO with my life at the end of the day. I will leave a more positive impression as a whole than you could ever dream of doing. That is more important to me than sitting alone and wondering why my kids hate me because they were forced to conform to narrow-minded standards, which is a very likely scenario for you.
Well, for me, I'd rather make a lot of money at something I hate, then do something I'd enjoy when I get older.
The only reason you're saying that is because your mind is literally a blank canvas, you're unintelligent and an idiot, and above all I'm pretty sure every teacher has given up on you. My teachers are a big inspiration. I've had 3 gay teachers, I've had students as teachers, I've had very old teachers, and I've had those that make me laugh. Teachers always inspire me. Your teachers are just sick of you so they don't bother.
Why has every teacher given up on me? I'm respectful and nice to them and I get them great Christmas presents.
And the welding industry.....cause that's what I'm gonna be working for.
Of course there are jobs out there that make you work 12+ hours, but I meant jobs that pay a shit ton. Like CEO, CFO, President, VP, Lawyer, Doctor, etc.
Sharon Glass; My ninth and eleventh grade English teacher to this day is the biggest inspirational figure in my life.

Try again. You really should start thinking some before you speak.
It's great she inspired you. I'm not as easily inspired I guess.
You've had some really narrow-minded statements in this forum, but THIS has got to be one of the most ignorant and untrue things I have ever read in my life.

I seriously question whether you are trolling this board or not.

Many, many people have credited a certain teacher in their life for helping them. Whether it is academically or with understanding of something going on in their outside life. Yes, ONE teacher can, and often does make a difference in whether a child has a desire to learn...or pursue a certain career when they get older. Teachers also help children deal with their emotional problems...whether it is dealing with parents, divorces, depression, or motivational issues.

Yes, sometimes the pay could probably be a little better. Life is not always about money and luxuries, contrary to what you believe. You need to understand that other people have their own opinions, and that includes your own children. It doesn't matter what you want them to do. It matters what THEY want to do.
I bet I could beat that lol

I said that i wouldn't want them to be a teacher, and if they did become one. I wouldn't give them much money as I would if they became a doctor or something. I never said I'd hate them, I said I'd want them to take risks and to be ambitious. Being a teacher isn't any of those, teachers aren't taking risks or they're not being ambitious (showing a determination to succeed), if a Teacher just wants to stay a teacher and not move up, that's not being ambitious at all.
Let's examine that, shall we?









Yep, you definitely have NOTHING against teachers.



Because you'll be forcing your elitist egotistical idiotic bullshit ideals down their throats? Yeah.

Nothing in there showed I had anything against teachers.

A teacher doesn't mold the mind of students, environment, parents, friends, and religion does that.

If a teacher were to go about bragging how she's a teacher, no one would be as impressed if they were bragging they were a CEO, lawyer, doctor, etc. therefore they'd take her bragging as a joke. Cause teaching isn't anything to brag about.

It's true I don't want them to do such a job as teaching when they get older. I don't want them to not take risks or to be ambitious. I want them to be successful and make money while they're younger, then, when they get older, they can do something that's fun for them like teaching or whatever (once they get their degree, which btw only takes 4 years). It's not about doing your dream job your whole life, it's about making money, then once you get older you can retire with all the money you accumulated and spend it on something you enjoy, let it be teaching or dog walking, Idc.

Saying teachers don't take risks or are ambitious doesnt show that I have anything against them. It's the truth, teachers are being ambitious if they just want to be a teacher their whole life and not move up the chain. Teachers also aren't taking big business/financial risks teaching, the biggest risk they'd probably do is speak up to their boss about their curriculum or begin a new course or study or curriculum. That's barely a risk.

Cant have that now. If your child isn't making millions of dollars you should disown them......at least according to Cicero

I said I'd be disappointed if they just took away from the family wealth instead of added to it. I said I'd be disappointed if they didnt become successful, take risks, and ambitious.

[Origami]

It's great she inspired you. I'm not as easily inspired I guess.

No, you're just dense.

[Emerald Dream]

You've had some really narrow-minded statements in this forum, but THIS has got to be one of the most ignorant and untrue things I have ever read in my life.
I bet I could beat that lol

Did you just admit to purposely trolling here?

You're claiming to be able to come up with something even most ignorant and untrue?

Because that IS what you just said.

As much as you will try to deny it now, you have admitted to trolling. We are most definitely done here. Your credibility is zero. You can't even answer points people are making.

[Cicero]

Did you just admit to purposely trolling here?

You're claiming to be able to come up with something even most ignorant and untrue?

Because that IS what you just said.

As much as you will try to deny it now, you have admitted to trolling. We are most definitely done here. Your credibility is zero. You can't even answer points people are making.

No. I meant I can come up with stuff more ignorant. Many people on here say "This has got to be the most ignorant thing you can say!" Then they turn around and say the same thing about a different post. You've said the same thing about another post I believe I made, so your credibility is trash when it comes to "the most ignorant"

[Emerald Dream]

No. I meant I can come up with stuff more ignorant. Many people on here say "This has got to be the most ignorant thing you can say!" Then they turn around and say the same thing about a different post. You've said the same thing about another post I believe I made, so your credibility is trash when it comes to "the most ignorant"

Yes.

It's right there in print.

As for "the most ignorant" comments...yes, at the time I believed some of your comments to be among the most ignorant I have ever seen. The last one about "one teacher not making a difference" pretty much tops them all.

And you just admitted that you "can come up with stuff more ignorant."

You are trying to piss people off. On purpose. Which is the definition of trolling. So yeah, for the second time - you've admitted to being a troll.

[Origami]

No. I meant I can come up with stuff more ignorant. Many people on here say "This has got to be the most ignorant thing you can say!" Then they turn around and say the same thing about a different post. You've said the same thing about another post I believe I made, so your credibility is trash when it comes to "the most ignorant"

Actually, your credibility was null the day you started replacing posts with "..."

You think anyone will respect your opinion when you can't even stand behind it fully? You've abandoned entire threads before, kiddo.

[Harry Smith]

Well, for me, I'd rather make a lot of money at something I hate, then do something I'd enjoy when I get older.

Why has every teacher given up on me? I'm respectful and nice to them and I get them great Christmas presents.

Of course there are jobs out there that make you work 12+ hours, but I meant jobs that pay a shit ton. Like CEO, CFO, President, VP, Lawyer, Doctor, etc.

It's great she inspired you. I'm not as easily inspired I guess.

I bet I could beat that lol

I said that i wouldn't want them to be a teacher, and if they did become one. I wouldn't give them much money as I would if they became a doctor or something. I never said I'd hate them, I said I'd want them to take risks and to be ambitious. Being a teacher isn't any of those, teachers aren't taking risks or they're not being ambitious (showing a determination to succeed), if a Teacher just wants to stay a teacher and not move up, that's not being ambitious at all.


Nothing in there showed I had anything against teachers.

A teacher doesn't mold the mind of students, environment, parents, friends, and religion does that.

If a teacher were to go about bragging how she's a teacher, no one would be as impressed if they were bragging they were a CEO, lawyer, doctor, etc. therefore they'd take her bragging as a joke. Cause teaching isn't anything to brag about.

It's true I don't want them to do such a job as teaching when they get older. I don't want them to not take risks or to be ambitious. I want them to be successful and make money while they're younger, then, when they get older, they can do something that's fun for them like teaching or whatever (once they get their degree, which btw only takes 4 years). It's not about doing your dream job your whole life, it's about making money, then once you get older you can retire with all the money you accumulated and spend it on something you enjoy, let it be teaching or dog walking, Idc.

Saying teachers don't take risks or are ambitious doesnt show that I have anything against them. It's the truth, teachers are being ambitious if they just want to be a teacher their whole life and not move up the chain. Teachers also aren't taking big business/financial risks teaching, the biggest risk they'd probably do is speak up to their boss about their curriculum or begin a new course or study or curriculum. That's barely a risk.



I said I'd be disappointed if they just took away from the family wealth instead of added to it. I said I'd be disappointed if they didnt become successful, take risks, and ambitious.

Have you heard of a country called Zimbabwe? My dad being white taught there for about 8 years in the 1980's, I'd say that was a pretty big risk for him to take. He had to restrain a parent who physically threatned a child with sisters, he ended up having to go to hospital.

Don't you fucking dare lecture me or anyone about Teaching. You have no fucking idea about it.

Your an arrogant kid on a teen forum who thinks just because he's got money he knows everything about life. I promise you if you aired these views in public then the majority of people would be giving you a fat lip. Your a joke

[Rayquaza]

No. I meant I can come up with stuff more ignorant. Many people on here say "This has got to be the most ignorant thing you can say!" Then they turn around and say the same thing about a different post. You've said the same thing about another post I believe I made, so your credibility is trash when it comes to "the most ignorant"

LOL this is really the sorriest attempt of +1 posts I have ever seen by far. And that's even worse than the posts saying "yeah it's normal" in P101, at least they provide some sort of input, all you do is play fucking devil's advocate so that you can shit stir, which pisses people off.

Besides every single person on this forum except you (and a few others) are the ones that just spark debate and say the worst possible things, especially coming from a teenager which hasn't even seen life fully, talking life as if their life is coming to a close, it's shallow and pathetic.

And don't even get me started on your credibility. Your population on this site is null and your role on VT serves no purpose other than to piss people off, which you're doing a great job at I'll admit, considering it's the only thing you'll ever be good at, with attitudes like the one you've shown especially about kids and values, you really will not get far in life dear friend, not one bit.

I'm not going to completely digress here,
I (and many others) entirely disagree with your theory that teachers do nothing, when they actually do a lot, and if a child chooses to be a bin man or some other job you think is shit, so be it. They're your children. All you're doing is making them suffer by not giving them the parenting they deserve.

[Professional Russian]

OK $160,000 per year is a shit ton of money. Also you about CEOs and shit. What if you kids dyslexic? Can't learn stuff like that. What if they had ADHD can't sit still very long? Then what do you do when they get some labor intensive instead of your dream of them being a CEO of a company or something?

[kenoloor]

Just browsing my quote notifications. This one came up.

http://s1.postimg.org/fsq1b6vj3/Screen_Shot_2013_06_05_at_5_26_22_PM.png

Oh look, Cicero's at it again.

OK $160,000 per year is a shit ton of money. Also you about CEOs and shit. What if you kids dyslexic? Can't learn stuff like that. What if they had ADHD can't sit still very long? Then what do you do when they get some labor intensive instead of your dream of them being a CEO of a company or something?

No, no, see Cicero's kids won't be dyslexic or ADHD. That's below his family's standards.

[Hyper]

ADHD does not make it impossible for someone to get a college education or work a white collar job well.

That aside uhh nothing really nothing. You guys should stop bothering with Cicero. I don't give him the credit of being a troll but it is obvious conflict fuels him.

[Cicero]

Yes.

It's right there in print.

As for "the most ignorant" comments...yes, at the time I believed some of your comments to be among the most ignorant I have ever seen. The last one about "one teacher not making a difference" pretty much tops them all.

And you just admitted that you "can come up with stuff more ignorant."

You are trying to piss people off. On purpose. Which is the definition of trolling. So yeah, for the second time - you've admitted to being a troll.
Nah.
Actually, your credibility was null the day you started replacing posts with "..."

You think anyone will respect your opinion when you can't even stand behind it fully? You've abandoned entire threads before, kiddo.
I do the .... Either because its double post, or because I don't want people knowing what I said in that post or cause that post I made a mistake on

Have you heard of a country called Zimbabwe? My dad being white taught there for about 8 years in the 1980's, I'd say that was a pretty big risk for him to take. He had to restrain a parent who physically threatned a child with sisters, he ended up having to go to hospital.

Don't you fucking dare lecture me or anyone about Teaching. You have no fucking idea about it.

Your an arrogant kid on a teen forum who thinks just because he's got money he knows everything about life. I promise you if you aired these views in public then the majority of people would be giving you a fat lip. Your a joke
Yeah, cause every teacher takes risks like that. That's a real risk, a life threatening one. That's not the type I've been talking about, I mean financial risks. Not life threatening ones.
LOL this is really the sorriest attempt of +1 posts I have ever seen by far. And that's even worse than the posts saying "yeah it's normal" in P101, at least they provide some sort of input, all you do is play fucking devil's advocate so that you can shit stir, which pisses people off.

Besides every single person on this forum except you (and a few others) are the ones that just spark debate and say the worst possible things, especially coming from a teenager which hasn't even seen life fully, talking life as if their life is coming to a close, it's shallow and pathetic.

And don't even get me started on your credibility. Your population on this site is null and your role on VT serves no purpose other than to piss people off, which you're doing a great job at I'll admit, considering it's the only thing you'll ever be good at, with attitudes like the one you've shown especially about kids and values, you really will not get far in life dear friend, not one bit.

I'm not going to completely digress here,
I (and many others) entirely disagree with your theory that teachers do nothing, when they actually do a lot, and if a child chooses to be a bin man or some other job you think is shit, so be it. They're your children. All you're doing is making them suffer by not giving them the parenting they deserve.
I'm confused with that (bold)? My life is shortened cause I have a severe illness. If there weren't people like me on this forum, there would be no debate forum. Everyone would just agree with each other. So it'd be no debate.

I don't care what other kids are wanting to do, but if my kids were to become a trash man, I'd be ashamed and embarrassed of them. But I want MY kids to have a job that is successful and makes money, who knows they may love being a lawyer, doctor, CEO, superintendent, etc.
OK $160,000 per year is a shit ton of money. Also you about CEOs and shit. What if you kids dyslexic? Can't learn stuff like that. What if they had ADHD can't sit still very long? Then what do you do when they get some labor intensive instead of your dream of them being a CEO of a company or something?
My kid could be successful and have dyslexia, itd just take extra work and money (id just hire a tutor to help my kid). There's drugs to help ADHD.


Just browsing my quote notifications. This one came up.

image (http://s1.postimg.org/fsq1b6vj3/Screen_Shot_2013_06_05_at_5_26_22_PM.png)

Oh look, Cicero's at it again.



No, no, see Cicero's kids won't be dyslexic or ADHD. That's below his family's standards.
That's right, my kids would be to good for that :rolleyes:

If they had an illness like ADHD or dyslexia, I would help and work with them to improve. Drugs could help the ADHD problem too.

[Origami]

I do the .... Either because its double post, or because I don't want people knowing what I said in that post or cause that post I made a mistake on

An inability to stand behind yourself or own up to folly. Credibility level: 0.

[Sugaree]

I do the .... Either because its double post, or because I don't want people knowing what I said in that post or cause that post I made a mistake on


In other words, you don't want to admit to your own fuck ups. Well played.

[Cicero]

ADHD does not make it impossible for someone to get a college education or work a white collar job well.

That aside uhh nothing really nothing. You guys should stop bothering with Cicero. I don't give him the credit of being a troll but it is obvious conflict fuels him.

An inability to stand behind yourself or own up to folly. Credibility level: 0.

No, I meant if I say something private or I say something tht could identify me.

[Sugaree]

No, I meant if I say something private or I say something tht could identify me.

You are such a coward.

[Origami]

No, I meant if I say something private or I say something tht could identify me.

Then you shouldn't have posted it openly in the first place.

And no, we've watched you edit entire threads out before, your excuses aren't game here.

[StoppingTime]

No, I meant if I say something private or I say something tht could identify me.

Okay let me tell you something here.
You're on the internet. There are billions of pages on the Internet. There are millions and millions of people who are on the Internet. What are the odds that someone you know will find this forum, find any threads you post in, and from there, identify you. Then what? They'll find out what you're really like? Because if you're so scared, I bet you lie to everyone else when they ask your opinion to please them

Do you honestly think that by posting your own opinion is going lead someone who knows you here? That's paranoia on a level that shouldn't exist because it's so illogically ridiculous.

No, I bet it's just something you don't want people to see because it's a terrible opinion.

[Rayquaza]

I'm confused with that (bold)? My life is shortened cause I have a severe illness. If there weren't people like me on this forum, there would be no debate forum. Everyone would just agree with each other. So it'd be no debate.


Oh no your life is short boo hoo whatever I'm not talking about that and that's actually quite a nice way of getting attention from other members to give you sympathy.

You've basically agreed to being devil's advocate and shit stirring in this forum. There's a different between a debate and being downright stupid.

Anyway why do you care about your privacy? You've lied about everything pretty much, you could be some 35 year old man for all I know.

[Cicero]

Okay let me tell you something here.
You're on the internet. There are billions of pages on the Internet. There are millions and millions of people who are on the Internet. What are the odds that someone you know will find this forum, find any threads you post in, and from there, identify you. Then what? They'll find out what you're really like? Because if you're so scared, I bet you lie to everyone else when they ask your opinion to please them

Do you honestly think that by posting your own opinion is going lead someone who knows you here? That's paranoia on a level that shouldn't exist because it's so illogically ridiculous.

No, I bet it's just something you don't want people to see because it's a terrible opinion.

Well, some things people know, others people don't.

They know my view about cross dressers and what not, they know that I'd be the man of the house, they know I'm racist, they know I tell racist jokes, they know I'm judgmental, they know I tell jokes about women (like "That sure is a weird looking kitchen" or "Go be the woman you are and make me a sandwich", they don't take so many things as serious as people on here do, they laugh at it and take it as the joke it is), they know about my conservative viewpoints. The only stuff people don't know about me is my sexual viewpoints and such. But I would never say anything like "My kids would never be something like a janitor or teacher" but I probably would say "Id want my kids to be something like an entrepreneur". I'm a bit more extreme on here than I am in real life, sometimes I do enjoy being the devils advocate, cause if I'm not, then whats the point of having a "debate" when everyone is going to just agree? that sure isn't a debate

[Rayquaza]

they know I'm racist, they know I tell racist jokes, they know I'm judgmental, they know I tell jokes about women (like "That sure is a weird looking kitchen" or "Go be the woman you are and make me a sandwich", they don't take so many things as serious as people on here do, they laugh at it and take it as the joke it is), they know about my conservative viewpoints. The only stuff people don't know about me is my sexual viewpoints and such. But I would never say anything like "My kids would never be something like a janitor or teacher" but I probably would say "Id want my kids to be something like an entrepreneur". I'm a bit more extreme on here than I am in real life, sometimes I do enjoy being the devils advocate,

First truest thing you've said all year. Congrats! Perhaps if you keep going with the truths you might get out of negative credibility :)

[Cicero]

Oh no your life is short boo hoo whatever I'm not talking about that and that's actually quite a nice way of getting attention from other members to give you sympathy.

You've basically agreed to being devil's advocate and shit stirring in this forum. There's a different between a debate and being downright stupid.

Anyway why do you care about your privacy? You've lied about everything pretty much, you could be some 35 year old man for all I know.


Proof I've lied about everything?

How do I know you're not some ugly 50 year old?

[Emerald Dream]

I'm a bit more extreme on here than I am in real life, sometimes I do enjoy being the devils advocate, cause if I'm not, then whats the point of having a "debate" when everyone is going to just agree? that sure isn't a debate

For the third time in the same thread, on the same day...you have admitted to being a troll.

Thank you for proving me right.

[Cicero]

For the third time in the same thread, on the same day...you have admitted to being a troll.

Thank you for proving me right.






You're just seeing words that I Never said, I never said I was trolling. In fct, I specifically said I wasn't.


(If what I said was so offensive, you couple just edited it out)

[StoppingTime]

I deleted what you said because you're so incredibly off topic it's insane. We're just about done here, take this ridiculous bickering to PMs, now.

oh and congrats, your "debate" (lul) derailed yet another thread. Great thing you're here to play devil's advocate. :locked: