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britishboy
May 17th, 2013, 12:49 PM
does everyone have a right to food and water? we in the Western world take it for granted that we have so much more food than we need but this is not the case for many countries, in fact countries like Britain and the USA actually buy farming land from poor countries to get luxuries like coffee and chocolate, we dont consider them luxuries, but many are lucky to get bread. so should we be doing this? should they look after themselves? and will food and water ever run out??
Croconaw
May 17th, 2013, 12:54 PM
One day we might not have water or food, so people should value it more if that makes sense.
britishboy
May 17th, 2013, 12:55 PM
One day we might not have water or food, so people should value it more if that makes sense.

thats far far away and food is so cheap! its practically valueless a.d as for water they can turn sea water in to drinking water its just more expensive
randomnessqueen
May 17th, 2013, 01:01 PM
short answer yes, its basically a right, but this doesnt mean it should be taken for granted.
and no, i dont tihnk we should buy land from poorer countries to use for such things. i think its better that each country work within itself, but it cant fully do that if we take resources from it.
britishboy
May 17th, 2013, 01:29 PM
short answer yes, its basically a right, but this doesnt mean it should be taken for granted.
and no, i dont tihnk we should buy land from poorer countries to use for such things. i think its better that each country work within itself, but it cant fully do that if we take resources from it.

true but the prices of chocolate and coffee etc will go up because labor and the product is very cheap over there because they are so poor
randomnessqueen
May 17th, 2013, 01:34 PM
true but the prices of chocolate and coffee etc will go up because labor and the product is very cheap over there because they are so poor

as much as i love chocolate, i love people more. i think i can give up this one luxury for the sake of a nation.
britishboy
May 17th, 2013, 01:36 PM
as much as i love chocolate, i love people more. i think i can give up this one luxury for the sake of a nation.

true haha food is so cheap anyway I dont think it will do alot of harm
Korashk
May 17th, 2013, 02:22 PM
does everyone have a right to food and water?
I don't believe in positive rights. You don't have a right to get anything because if you have a right to get something then someone else is forced to make sure you have that something.
Stronk Serb
May 17th, 2013, 02:39 PM
Water is a neccesity, not a right. You pay the man who works purifying and shipping the water to your sink through taxes you pay. Food is a neccesity, not a right. You pay the man who makes it by buying it from a salesman.
britishboy
May 17th, 2013, 04:35 PM
Water is a neccesity, not a right. You pay the man who works purifying and shipping the water to your sink through taxes you pay. Food is a neccesity, not a right. You pay the man who makes it by buying it from a salesman.

theyre so cheap I dont think there is anyone really that cant afford it
AlexBarrett
May 17th, 2013, 04:37 PM
Food and Water is a God-given right, not a privelage. But alas.
britishboy
May 17th, 2013, 04:41 PM
Food and Water is a God-given right, not a privelage. But alas.

everyone deserves it but its so cheap no one cant afford it and people who sell it to you deserve a profit
StoppingTime
May 17th, 2013, 05:47 PM
everyone deserves it but its so cheap no one cant afford it and people who sell it to you deserve a profit

There are plenty of people who don't have easy access to food and water like, you, I, and this entire forum (and basically anyone with an internet access) do.
In the US, UK, and all other highly developed countries, tap water and food seem like they're free to you simply because of their accessibility and availability. Then take a village in a undeveloped country and Africa. They don't have running taps with purified water, nor supermarkets down the street.
britishboy
May 17th, 2013, 06:15 PM
There are plenty of people who don't have easy access to food and water like, you, I, and this entire forum (and basically anyone with an internet access) do.
In the US, UK, and all other highly developed countries, tap water and food seem like they're free to you simply because of their accessibility and availability. Then take a village in a undeveloped country and Africa. They don't have running taps with purified water, nor supermarkets down the street.

true but the people who sell it still need a profit for there labor so it shouldnt be free but I think they both should be a right but that wont make any difference for us (we could afford it anyway) and it wont affect africa because they dont have the resources to give it to people. its fine for us anyway, its practically free
Southside
May 17th, 2013, 09:34 PM
true but the people who sell it still need a profit for there labor so it shouldnt be free but I think they both should be a right but that wont make any difference for us (we could afford it anyway) and it wont affect africa because they dont have the resources to give it to people. its fine for us anyway, its practically free

Africa has plenty of resources, it's just always being raped by Western corperations..Everything from Oil,Diamonds, Cocoa(Chocolate), is stolen...If African nations could stand up to Western companies/Countries and say they are not taking the BS anymore, they'd be pretty rich...
britishboy
May 18th, 2013, 02:19 AM
Africa has plenty of resources, it's just always being raped by Western corperations..Everything from Oil,Diamonds, Cocoa(Chocolate), is stolen...If African nations could stand up to Western companies/Countries and say they are not taking the BS anymore, they'd be pretty rich...

we could just go elsewhere and they would we worse, and who cares? it doesn't affect us, we have nice cheap food, thanks to getting them cheap from Africa

I don't believe in positive rights. You don't have a right to get anything because if you have a right to get something then someone else is forced to make sure you have that something.

I agree I will always have acsess to fine food, so why should I care about those who don't?
StoppingTime
May 18th, 2013, 07:57 AM
I agree I will always have acsess to fine food, so why should I care about those who don't?

That doesn't have anything to do with the quote you replied to. And yea I guess it's your decision to turn a blind eye to all those starving and whatnot, but that certainly doesn't make it right
britishboy
May 18th, 2013, 08:01 AM
That doesn't have anything to do with the quote you replied to. And yea I guess it's your decision to turn a blind eye to all those starving and whatnot, but that certainly doesn't make it right

well we want food cheap, companies must supply it cheap, they must get it cheap from Africa. the little money they get from us is better than nothing
StoppingTime
May 18th, 2013, 08:28 AM
well we want food cheap, companies must supply it cheap, they must get it cheap from Africa. the little money they get from us is better than nothing

Do you honestly think that all the food you eat is supplied from some magical farm in Africa? Do you actually know where it's from, or are you just guessing?
britishboy
May 18th, 2013, 08:37 AM
Do you honestly think that all the food you eat is supplied from some magical farm in Africa? Do you actually know where it's from, or are you just guessing?

of course I know lol most weat, milk and meat comes from Britain, it is the stuff that needs a hotter climate that comes from africa. if you shop in waitrose they tell you what country its from and if its britian even what farm! companies will always try to get food cheap when they can and when food comes from africa they take advantage of how poor they are and buy it really cheap