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britishboy
May 12th, 2013, 03:04 PM
why did NATO bomb Serbia? people have explained it to me but I still dont get it, itsnt it just a waste of bombs? bit I herd we were using old cluster bombs to get them out of storage so I guess it wasn't that bad
tovaris
May 12th, 2013, 03:28 PM
Provokacije pa ti grejo kaj?!
NATO never had to bomb Serbija they bombed because they vanted to spred their influance, very simple.
Use of cluster bombs is forbiden, as is the use of infentry mines.
Stronk Serb
May 12th, 2013, 03:40 PM
First NATO actions ocurred in Bosnia. NATO started bombing Serbian positions after the Bosniaks (Muslim Bosnians) broke a cease-fire by going to forbidden areas. Many civilians were killed in the bombings. The second intervention ocurred on Kosovo, a Serbian southern autonomous province. The Albanians who lived there started commiting ethnical cleansing of the Serbs there. Milosevic sebt the police and the army to deal with the rebellion. It became a war. NATO intervened by bombing bridges at Novi Sad (a city waaaaay North), on Kosovo and it's vicinity. Many civilians were identified crossing, but the bombs were dropped. Many factories were bombed. Some hospitals. Mostly non-military objectuves. The airforce and the AA defences tried their best to defend our airspace, but we got hit. The whole intervention ended up in creating the Anerican puppet state, Republic of Kosovo. The violence against the Serbs continued even until today, and the NATO organised troops are not doing shit to stop them. Essentially the intervention and the stupidity of our leaders at that time got us in more and more shit. Yes NATO used old luster bombs and there are cases of civilians and military personell getting killed by the remaining bombs even today.
Harry Smith
May 12th, 2013, 04:02 PM
To Stop a Genocide
Stronk Serb
May 12th, 2013, 04:07 PM
To Stop a Genocide
Hardly stopped it. Serbs are still being second-class citizens on Kosovo.
Harry Smith
May 12th, 2013, 04:07 PM
Hardly stopped it. Serbs are still being second-class citizens on Kosovo.
Second class citizens doesn't equal genocide. We stopped a genocide of Albians by Serbian forces, that was our mandate
tovaris
May 12th, 2013, 04:13 PM
Second class citizens doesn't equal genocide. We stopped a genocide of Albians by Serbian forces, that was our mandate
No you enabled a genocide of Serbs by Albanians.
Harry Smith
May 12th, 2013, 04:14 PM
No you enabled a genocide of Serbs by Albanians.
Did the Head of NATO authorize a genocide by the Albanians? Did he express that it should happen?
tovaris
May 12th, 2013, 04:21 PM
Did the Head of NATO authorize a genocide by the Albanians? Did he express that it should happen?
No they enabled it by ignoring it and bombing serbian civilians and some military targets so that they could not protect themselves.
Harry Smith
May 12th, 2013, 04:23 PM
No they enabled it by ignoring it and bombing serbian civilians and some military targets so that they could not protect themselves.
So your original statement was wrong?
Once again NATO did not go out to bomb Serbian civilians.
Yes or NO answer do you have evidence of an ordered air strike on a confirmed civilian target that was approved by the high command of NATO?
tovaris
May 12th, 2013, 04:33 PM
So your original statement was wrong?
Once again NATO did not go out to bomb Serbian civilians.
Yes or NO answer do you have evidence of an ordered air strike on a confirmed civilian target that was approved by the high command of NATO?
I never ,entioned the high comand.
No my original statement was not wrong.
I do not know about the high comand but i do know they bombed hospitals with people in them, bridges with civilians on them...
Harry Smith
May 12th, 2013, 04:34 PM
i never ,entioned the high comand.
No my original statement was not wrong.
I do not know about the high comand but i do know they bombed hospitals with people in them, bridges with civilians on them...
do you have proof that nato ordered pilots to target hospitals?
tovaris
May 12th, 2013, 04:40 PM
do you have proof that nato ordered pilots to target hospitals?
The action is there and they couldent have missed.
Do you have prof otherwize
Harry Smith
May 12th, 2013, 05:02 PM
The action is there and they couldent have missed.
Do you have prof otherwize
haha so you have no documented orders?
Have you ever flown a bomber at night at around 30,000 feet?
tovaris
May 12th, 2013, 05:08 PM
haha so you have no documented orders?
Have you ever flown a bomber at night at around 30,000 feet?
have you ever seen a bombed city? How on earth can you miss a gigant airport and hit a hospital
britishboy
May 12th, 2013, 05:33 PM
have you ever seen a bombed city? How on earth can you miss a gigant airport and hit a hospital
your thinking of our modern day bombers, remember this is 30 years ago it was easy to miss then
tovaris
May 12th, 2013, 05:41 PM
your thinking of our modern day bombers, remember this is 30 years ago it was easy to miss then
No it wasent they hit the army building im the middle of niš directly in the middle of the roof. Some of those bombers from 10 years ago are stil used today.
britishboy
May 12th, 2013, 05:45 PM
No it wasent they hit the army building im the middle of niš directly in the middle of the roof. Some of those bombers from 10 years ago are stil used today.
lets not forget we were trying to get rid of old cluster bombs from our stockpile and theyre not accurate especially old ones
tovaris
May 12th, 2013, 05:47 PM
lets not forget we were trying to get rid of old cluster bombs from our stockpile and theyre not accurate especially old ones
Yes and they are forbiden :o
britishboy
May 12th, 2013, 05:49 PM
Yes and they are forbiden :o
by who?
tovaris
May 12th, 2013, 05:54 PM
by who?
Your favorite th UN.
britishboy
May 12th, 2013, 05:58 PM
Your favorite th UN.
everyone uses them and they didn't stop us and didn't stop us on the Falklands either
tovaris
May 12th, 2013, 06:01 PM
everyone uses them and they didn't stop us and didn't stop us on the Falklands either
Because you are imperialistic pigs. You probably set some infentry ,ines which are also forbiden.
britishboy
May 12th, 2013, 06:04 PM
Because you are imperialistic pigs. You probably set some infentry ,ines which are also forbiden.
they are not forbidden everyone uses them and they are very effective, serbia being bombed stopped a genocide as harry smith said
tovaris
May 12th, 2013, 06:12 PM
afcors they are forbiden
Stronk Serb
May 13th, 2013, 01:13 AM
Second class citizens doesn't equal genocide. We stopped a genocide of Albians by Serbian forces, that was our mandate
The KFOR and EULEKS are cmposed of troops from some NATO countries. They can easily stop the Serbs from being opressed. If you bombed us for genocide, you should have targeted Albanian forces also. They were comitting more attrocities then the Serbs.
Did the Head of NATO authorize a genocide by the Albanians? Did he express that it should happen?
No he did not. But it is pretty easy for KFOR and EULEKS forces to stop the Albanians from opressing Serbs.
afcors they are forbiden
Some types of landmines are forbidden. For example: Bouncing Betty, there are even some Yugoslavian mines that are forbidden also. Those are forbidden since they maim you so bad that you die in agony. Yes cluster bombs are forbidden to be used by member countries of the UN. And no, Serbia did not use them.
britishboy
May 13th, 2013, 01:50 AM
The KFOR and EULEKS are cmposed of troops from some NATO countries. They can easily stop the Serbs from being opressed. If you bombed us for genocide, you should have targeted Albanian forces also. They were comitting more attrocities then the Serbs.
No he did not. But it is pretty easy for KFOR and EULEKS forces to stop the Albanians from opressing Serbs.
Some types of landmines are forbidden. For example: Bouncing Betty, there are even some Yugoslavian mines that are forbidden also. Those are forbidden since they maim you so bad that you die in agony. Yes cluster bombs are forbidden to be used by member countries of the UN. And no, Serbia did not use them.
yes and we could have send the SAS in but were not your mums you can sort your own problems out and them mines are not forbidden because of how you die it's because civilians could be hit and I still don't believe cluster bombs are forbidden, we were clearing out warehouses full of them so they could be replaced with more modern ones.
tovaris
May 13th, 2013, 03:47 AM
yes and we could have send the SAS in but were not your mums you can sort your own problems out and them mines are not forbidden because of how you die it's because civilians could be hit and I still don't believe cluster bombs are forbidden, we were clearing out warehouses full of them so they could be replaced with more modern ones.
I fought you liked the UN
http://www.clusterconvention.org/,
Stronk Serb
May 13th, 2013, 08:57 AM
yes and we could have send the SAS in but were not your mums you can sort your own problems out and them mines are not forbidden because of how you die it's because civilians could be hit and I still don't believe cluster bombs are forbidden, we were clearing out warehouses full of them so they could be replaced with more modern ones.
Haha, because of the piss conventions the UN made, the Serbian Army, police and other law enforcement branches have no legal authority on Kosovo, and it would be a violation of human rights if they went in and sorted things out. The "security forces" on Kosovo ain't doing shit. They are not stopping the violence against Serbs by the Albanians. Read about something before you post nonsense like that.
britishboy
May 13th, 2013, 09:39 AM
I fought you liked the UN
http://www.clusterconvention.org/,
that was not in force during Serbia and the falklands conflict, also its NATO I like and the un is still good
britishboy
May 13th, 2013, 09:45 AM
Haha, because of the piss conventions the UN made, the Serbian Army, police and other law enforcement branches have no legal authority on Kosovo, and it would be a violation of human rights if they went in and sorted things out. The "security forces" on Kosovo ain't doing shit. They are not stopping the violence against Serbs by the Albanians. Read about something before you post nonsense like that.
how is that at all related to what I said? and the SAS are not Serbian
Stronk Serb
May 13th, 2013, 09:52 AM
how is that at all related to what I said? and the SAS are not Serbian
I never stated that the SAS is a Serbian special force.. You saidto let us solve our problems. By the UN piss conventions we cannot. Only NATO country pigs who serve in th KFOR and EULEKS can. And they are not.
britishboy
May 13th, 2013, 09:54 AM
I never stated that the SAS is a Serbian special force.. You saidto let us solve our problems. By the UN piss conventions we cannot. Only NATO country pigs who serve in th KFOR and EULEKS can. And they are not.
and why is it you can not sort out your own problems?
tovaris
May 13th, 2013, 10:02 AM
that was not in force during Serbia and the falklands conflict, also its NATO I like and the un is still good
This os only the newest version cluster bombs were band before 2000
Stronk Serb
May 13th, 2013, 10:05 AM
and why is it you can not sort out your own problems?
Because of "regional instability" the UN has decided to place Kosovo under international control, aka. the NATO top dogs are controlling it. If we were in charge, it would be as stable as a chair glued to the floor.
britishboy
May 13th, 2013, 10:06 AM
This os only the newest version cluster bombs were band before 2000
well no one seemed to care when we was using them just look how affective they are:
www.google.com/search?q=nato+bombing+serbia&btnG=&tbm=isch
Because of "regional instability" the UN has decided to place Kosovo under international control, aka. the NATO top dogs are controlling it. If we were in charge, it would be as stable as a chair glued to the floor.
then it is in your best interest for you to be governed by us, NATO is doing it better than you ever could
-please do not double post. -Emerald Dream
Stronk Serb
May 13th, 2013, 10:21 AM
then it is in your best interest for you to be governed by us, NATO is doing it better than you ever could
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! So by allowing open violence against Serbs, NATO does a better job then us. Nice joke. I would still never acknowledge NATO rule.
tovaris
May 13th, 2013, 10:23 AM
well no one seemed to care when we was using them just look how affective they are:
www.google.com/search?q=nato+bombing+serbia&btnG=&tbm=isch
They are very afective againced civilians ended.
Stronk Serb
May 13th, 2013, 10:46 AM
well no one seemed to care when we was using them just look how affective they are:
www.google.com/search?q=nato+bombing+serbia&btnG=&tbm=isch
I get the message, they are effective against civilian targets. Those are civilian targets, all except 2 pictures which was the military high command building.
britishboy
May 13th, 2013, 10:52 AM
i get the message, they are effective against civilian targets. Those are civilian targets, all except 2 pictures which was the military high command building.
no civilians was targeted! Whats the point in that? Its a waste of a bomb! Its not gonna help the conflict, please find a sorce on the net that shows we targeted civilians?! And as you said we bombed military high command you couldn't have dont that on your own.
Stronk Serb
May 13th, 2013, 10:55 AM
no civilians was targeted! Whats the point in that? Its a waste of a bomb! Its not gonna help the conflict, please find a sorce on the net that shows we targeted civilians?! And as you said we bombed military high command you couldn't have dont that on your own.
All of those were civilian buildings and civilian casualties except in 2 pictures where the target was the military high command.
britishboy
May 13th, 2013, 11:00 AM
all of those were civilian buildings and civilian casualties except in 2 pictures where the target was the military high command.
show me the bombing order
Harry Smith
May 13th, 2013, 11:10 AM
have you ever seen a bombed city? How on earth can you miss a gigant airport and hit a hospital
So you were wrong about NATO ordering the death of civilian targets since you were unable to provide evidence of any order being issued by NATO to target the Hospitals. Yes there were civilian casualties, there will always be civilian casualties but it if the very grim nature of warfare. We stopped a genocide, I don't care what has happened since. We stopped a Genocide...
Because of "regional instability" the UN has decided to place Kosovo under international control, aka. the NATO top dogs are controlling it. If we were in charge, it would be as stable as a chair glued to the floor.
You claim to be from the USSR or Russia. Your region is hardly famous for stability,
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! I would still never acknowledge NATO rule.
Then it is pointless even debating, I hate to tell you but the world gave communism a chance and it basically didn't work. Do you remember all those people tearing down that wall? The world wants freedom and being so narrow minded will not get you anywhere. You have the attitude that everything NATO has done is wrong, you can't be fanatically opposed to the west just because uncle Joe told you to. That's where Communism falls down-you don't understand diplomacy.
Stronk Serb
May 13th, 2013, 11:13 AM
So you were wrong about NATO ordering the death of civilian targets since you were unable to provide evidence of any order being issued by NATO to target the Hospitals. Yes there were civilian casualties, there will always be civilian casualties but it if the very grim nature of warfare. We stopped a genocide, I don't care what has happened since. We stopped a Genocide...
You claim to be from the USSR or Russia. Your region is hardly famous for stability,
Then it is pointless even debating, I hate to tell you but the world gave communism a chance and it basically didn't work. Do you remember all those people tearing down that wall? The world wants freedom and being so narrow minded will not get you anywhere. You have the attitude that everything NATO has done is wrong, you can't be fanatically opposed to the west just because uncle Joe told you to. That's where Communism falls down-you don't understand diplomacy.
I am from Serbia. Thank's for asking.
Harry Smith
May 13th, 2013, 11:18 AM
I am from Serbia. Thank's for asking.
Don't have the USSR as your location then, that is where I would look to find out. It's logic
Stronk Serb
May 13th, 2013, 11:18 AM
show me the bombing order
So, I am to go to the NATO HQ and take the bombing order? Even if you did not deliberately target civilian buildings, you missed more objectives then you hit. Which is pretty dumb since you could descend to 5000 meters, launch a guided missile and go away. You used cluster bombs on a crowded area which is also pretty dumb.
tovaris
May 13th, 2013, 11:20 AM
So you were wrong about NATO ordering the death of civilian targets since you were unable to provide evidence of any order being issued by NATO to target the Hospitals. Yes there were civilian casualties, there will always be civilian casualties but it if the very grim nature of warfare. We stopped a genocide, I don't care what has happened since. We stopped a Genocide...
Then it is pointless even debating, I hate to tell you but the world gave communism a chance and it basically didn't work. Do you remember all those people tearing down that wall? The world wants freedom and being so narrow minded will not get you anywhere. You have the attitude that everything NATO has done is wrong, you can't be fanatically opposed to the west just because uncle Joe told you to. That's where Communism falls down-you don't understand diplomacy.
I located evidence read the book Zakaj je NATObombardiral Srbijo. You did not stop a genocide get that frew your thick scul.
Diplomacy is for roialty thel a person directly what you want dont make thousends of turns.
„The wal” seriousoy there was wery little communisem in Germany or the USSR for that jather, communisem cales for fredom, democracy, power to the people, education for everione .... Not totalitariom fegims and one pary sistems.
Besides the berlin was is completly the fault of the western alies because they did not want to demilitarise berlin.
britishboy
May 13th, 2013, 11:25 AM
So, I am to go to the NATO HQ and take the bombing order? Even if you did not deliberately target civilian buildings, you missed more objectives then you hit. Which is pretty dumb since you could descend to 5000 meters, launch a guided missile and go away. You used cluster bombs on a crowded area which is also pretty dumb.
the orders will be in the british and Americans ministry of defence and as I said we were trying to get rid of cluster bombs and we do still use them:
http:// en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia
Harry Smith
May 13th, 2013, 11:27 AM
I located evidence read the book Zakaj je NATObombardiral Srbijo. You did not stop a genocide get that frew your thick scul.
Diplomacy is for roialty thel a person directly what you want dont make thousends of turns.
„The wal” seriousoy there was wery little communisem in Germany or the USSR for that jather, communisem cales for fredom, democracy, power to the people, education for everione .... Not totalitariom fegims and one pary sistems.
Besides the berlin was is completly the fault of the western alies because they did not want to demilitarise berlin.
Hahah who built the Wall?
Also if you call me stupid at least use proper grammar, it makes you look retarded.
Also diplomacy is not for the Royals, all countries have a foreign office to communicate with other nations.
Harry Smith
May 13th, 2013, 11:28 AM
So, I am to go to the NATO HQ and take the bombing order? Even if you did not deliberately target civilian buildings, you missed more objectives then you hit. Which is pretty dumb since you could descend to 5000 meters, launch a guided missile and go away. You used cluster bombs on a crowded area which is also pretty dumb.
If we went down to 5000 meters we would of got shot down and ended up having our pilots dragged through the street.
And yes if you propose that the NATO high command issues the order you need some solid evidence. That's how the court system works even in your beloved serbia
tovaris
May 13th, 2013, 11:32 AM
Hahah who built the Wall?
Also if you call me stupid at least use proper grammar, it makes you look retarded.
Also diplomacy is not for the Royals, all countries have a foreign office to communicate with other nations.
Ihe westen alies insisted on militarisation or berlin.
I did not call you stupid (you are merley stupborn).
Yes comunicate but honeatly not with a fig in you pocket and a knive in the other hand.
Stronk Serb
May 13th, 2013, 11:33 AM
the orders will be in the british and Americans ministry of defence and as I said we were trying to get rid of cluster bombs and we do still use them:
http:// en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia
So since they are inaccurate, why not cause some civilian casualties. Many civilian casualties occured due to cluster bombs falling of course into civilian areas. That was still wrong. Killing mostly civilians for extra storage. That is on par if I wanted to clear a chemical weapons stockpile by bombing my enemies with them.
Stronk Serb
May 13th, 2013, 11:36 AM
If we went down to 5000 meters we would of got shot down and ended up having our pilots dragged through the street.
And yes if you propose that the NATO high command issues the order you need some solid evidence. That's how the court system works even in your beloved serbia
You don't get it. All our AA systems had range up to 5000 meters maximum. The fighters capable of taking out your planes were shot down already, all 5 we had.
britishboy
May 13th, 2013, 11:41 AM
You don't get it. All our AA systems had range up to 5000 meters maximum. The fighters capable of taking out your planes were shot down already, all 5 we had.
do you think harry is that gullible NO COUNTRY HAS 5 PLANES and you was telling me a few days ago how many of our planes you shot down, did you beat is up or did we beat you up, MAKE YOUR MIND UP
tovaris
May 13th, 2013, 11:45 AM
do you think harry is that gullible NO COUNTRY HAS 5 PLANES and you was telling me a few days ago how many of our planes you shot down, did you beat is up or did we beat you up, MAKE YOUR MIND UP
Montenegro just sold their only 3 Galeb fighters, their only fighters.
Stronk Serb
May 13th, 2013, 11:48 AM
do you think harry is that gullible NO COUNTRY HAS 5 PLANES and you was telling me a few days ago how many of our planes you shot down, did you beat is up or did we beat you up, MAKE YOUR MIND UP
You cannot counter a F-16 with an old MiG-21, even though we had like 60. We had 5 malfunctioning MiG-29s which in theory were capable to take down a F-16. Yes we shot down dozens of DRONES, unmanned aircraft. We shot down a stealth fighter, damaged two and shot down 15 other planes max.
britishboy
May 13th, 2013, 11:49 AM
Montenegro just sold their only 3 Galeb fighters, their only fighters.
ouch I thought Britains air force was bad:/ anyway we got the commonwealth and America so I dont care about our little air force and is it seriously that low? it makes us look like a superpower haha:p
britishboy
May 13th, 2013, 11:54 AM
You cannot counter a F-16 with an old MiG-21, even though we had like 60. We had 5 malfunctioning MiG-29s which in theory were capable to take down a F-16. Yes we shot down dozens of DRONES, unmanned aircraft. We shot down a stealth fighter, damaged two and shot down 15 other planes max.
and how many planes did we send? and now days they have got fighter drones and gunship drones!
Stronk Serb
May 13th, 2013, 11:59 AM
and how many planes did we send? and now days they have got fighter drones and gunship drones!
I don't know. Probably 5 times more then we shot down. I just stated that the AA defence and the air force were doing their best, not that we beat you down.
britishboy
May 13th, 2013, 12:02 PM
I don't know. Probably 5 times more then we shot down. I just stated that the AA defence and the air force were doing their best, not that we beat you down.
fair enough they shouldnt have been killing there own people though
drew6
May 13th, 2013, 12:13 PM
how much do the fighter planes cost?
Stronk Serb
May 13th, 2013, 02:38 PM
how much do the fighter planes cost?
What planes? The malfunctioning MiG-29s we had or the NATO planes?
fair enough they shouldnt have been killing there own people though
Wot? We were defending ourselves from the Albanian terorists. They started massacring our civilians. We responded. We were defending ourselves. The Serbs and the Albanians are not in the same people family/group. We are Slavic while they are not Slavic, they belong to some other group of people.
tovaris
May 13th, 2013, 03:30 PM
What planes? The malfunctioning MiG-29s we had or the NATO planes?
Wot? We were defending ourselves from the Albanian terorists. They started massacring our civilians. We responded. We were defending ourselves. The Serbs and the Albanians are not in the same people family/group. We are Slavic while they are not Slavic, they belong to some other group of people.
Actuly acording to the nevest reserch albanians originated on the cost of the caspian see and were avantuly braught to our dorstep by the maver military force. But the exepted theory it that they are Iliric.
britishboy
May 13th, 2013, 04:34 PM
What planes? The malfunctioning MiG-29s we had or the NATO planes?
Wot? We were defending ourselves from the Albanian terorists. They started massacring our civilians. We responded. We were defending ourselves. The Serbs and the Albanians are not in the same people family/group. We are Slavic while they are not Slavic, they belong to some other group of people.
I dont know which group all I know is that some people were trying to wipe out a race, just like Hitlerdid and we didn't need another Hitler
tovaris
May 13th, 2013, 04:35 PM
I dont know which group all I know is that some people were trying to wipe out a race, just like Hitlerdid and we didn't need another Hitler
Yes albanians were triing to wipe out serbians.
britishboy
May 13th, 2013, 04:39 PM
Yes albanians were triing to wipe out serbians.
and the Albanians were killed/ arrested?
tovaris
May 13th, 2013, 04:42 PM
and the Albanians were killed/ arrested?
No they vere asisted by NATO bombings, of serbian civilians because the serbian army tried to pot a stop to the albanian crimes
britishboy
May 13th, 2013, 04:43 PM
No they vere asisted by NATO bombings, of serbian civilians because the serbian army tried to pot a stop to the albanian crimes
what? now I'm really confused? was we targeting Serbs or Albanians? and wasn't it the Serbs resisting our help?
Stronk Serb
May 13th, 2013, 04:43 PM
I dont know which group all I know is that some people were trying to wipe out a race, just like Hitlerdid and we didn't need another Hitler
Wow. Comparing us to Hitler? Did you know that due to Hitler's and Ustasha's extremist ideas, 2 million Serbs died. 2 million. 2 million of 12 million at that time. So by saying that we are like Hitler you are saying that we are killing among ourselves? As of Serb kills Serb?
Yes albanians were trying to wipe out Serbs.
Yes it started like that. It soon escalated, and NATO bombed us. The Albanian terrorists deserved it as heck also. But Thaci, their leader is now head of "Independent Rebublic of Kosovo". I put the "" because even Albanians admit that Kosovo cannot do anything without the approval of the US.
drew6
May 13th, 2013, 04:46 PM
What planes? The malfunctioning MiG-29s we had or the NATO planes?
Wot? We were defending ourselves from the Albanian terorists. They started massacring our civilians. We responded. We were defending ourselves. The Serbs and the Albanians are not in the same people family/group. We are Slavic while they are not Slavic, they belong to some other group of people.
Montenegro just sold their only 3 Galeb fighters, their only fighters.
tovaris
May 13th, 2013, 04:48 PM
Montenegro just sold their only 3 Galeb fighters, their only fighters.
i dont know google it
britishboy
May 13th, 2013, 04:49 PM
Wow. Comparing us to Hitler? Did you know that due to Hitler's and Ustasha's extremist ideas, 2 million Serbs died. 2 million. 2 million of 12 million at that time. So by saying that we are like Hitler you are saying that we are killing among ourselves? As of Serb kills Serb?
Yes it started like that. It soon escalated, and NATO bombed us. The Albanian terrorists deserved it as heck also. But Thaci, their leader is now head of "Independent Rebublic of Kosovo". I put the "" because even Albanians admit that Kosovo cannot do anything without the approval of the US.
I thought the Serbs were the ones killing? I'm really confused and soz shouldn't have compared you guys to Hitler
drew6
May 13th, 2013, 04:49 PM
Wow. Comparing us to Hitler? Did you know that due to Hitler's and Ustasha's extremist ideas, 2 million Serbs died. 2 million. 2 million of 12 million at that time. So by saying that we are like Hitler you are saying that we are killing among ourselves? As of Serb kills Serb?
Yes it started like that. It soon escalated, and NATO bombed us. The Albanian terrorists deserved it as heck also. But Thaci, their leader is now head of "Independent Rebublic of Kosovo". I put the "" because even Albanians admit that Kosovo cannot do anything without the approval of the US.
Don't blame the USA. This is your mess.
tovaris
May 13th, 2013, 04:52 PM
Don't blame the USA. This is your mess.
In that case what are they doing there, building homes for the „unprivilaged” albanians?
tovaris
May 13th, 2013, 04:55 PM
I thought the Serbs were the ones killing? I'm really confused and soz shouldn't have compared you guys to Hitler
No no the albanians were doing the kiling we just had to trotect ourselves.
Harry Smith
May 13th, 2013, 05:53 PM
No no the albanians were doing the kiling we just had to trotect ourselves.
Bollocks, half your serbian leaders are in the Hague for war crimes and genocide.The Serbians commited genocide, I don't give a fuck about the what the albians did or didn't the Serbs were going to kill off there race in Easter Europe
Harry Smith
May 13th, 2013, 05:54 PM
I thought the Serbs were the ones killing? I'm really confused and soz shouldn't have compared you guys to Hitler
It was the Serbs, they were committing war crimes and genocide but they like to claim it on the albians doing it first to cover up the fact that they are racist facists. They can let there shit hole of region get worse, they would tell NATO off for pissing on them if they were on fire
randomnessqueen
May 13th, 2013, 08:54 PM
there is never a good reason to bomb a country
britishboy
May 14th, 2013, 01:15 AM
there is never a good reason to bomb a country
your really ignorant
Stronk Serb
May 14th, 2013, 10:41 AM
your really ignorant
Haha! She is not. There truly is never a good reason to bomb a country.
tovaris
May 14th, 2013, 10:43 AM
Bollocks, half your serbian leaders are in the Hague for war crimes and genocide.The Serbians commited genocide, I don't give a fuck about the what the albians did or didn't the Serbs were going to kill off there race in Easter Europe
Milošević And company deserve to be in Hague for their crimes in Bosnia and Croatia, what happend in Kosovo was an Albanian genocide of Serbs and some retaliation by Serbian extrimist grups.
britishboy
May 14th, 2013, 10:47 AM
Haha! She is not. There truly is never a good reason to bomb a country.
I can think of a few, theyre gonna invade you, better than sending in troops (no casualties) and resistance is weaker that on ground :D
randomnessqueen
May 14th, 2013, 11:11 AM
your really ignorant
give me even one
Stronk Serb
May 14th, 2013, 11:16 AM
Milošević And company deserve to be in Hague for their crimes in Bosnia and Croatia, what happend in Kosovo was an Albanian genocide of Serbs and some retaliation by Serbian extrimist grups.
When you sum it up, that's how it went. The extremists should've been punished. Milosevic had a dumb trait he exploited all the time. In every war he waged, he united all of opposition as one, against him. That's how we lost all these wars, and got fucked, bu the NATO, and the UN.
Harry Smith
May 14th, 2013, 11:30 AM
When you sum it up, that's how it went. The extremists should've been punished. Milosevic had a dumb trait he exploited all the time. In every war he waged, he united all of opposition as one, against him. That's how we lost all these wars, and got fucked, bu the NATO, and the UN.
So were we supposed to let something like this just happen without enforcing the will of a UN resolution.
The air strikes brought international peace to the region, it was the Albanian's in Kosovo wanting to create an Independent state separate of Serbia. There was massive crisis in the region, Serbian troops and militia were stopping food and supplies getting to populace in Kosovo. We had to go in to make sure that humanitarian aid could be ensured.
The worst thing is that these war crimes were usually carried out on ethnic and religious grounds and were primarily directed against civilians.Several United Nations bodies have judged that the aim of these war crimes in various wars was to create an ethnically pure Serbian state, encompassing Serbia as well as the Serb-populated areas in former Yugoslavia.
Federal Army and Serbian police after the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia 24 March 1999, systematically attacked villages with Albanian population, abused, robbed and killed civilians, ordering them to go to Albania or Montenegro, burning their houses and destroying by their property. Within the campaign of violence, Albanians were mass expelled from their homes, murdered, sexually assaulted, and their religious buildings destroyed. Serbian forces committed numerous war crimes during the implementation of "joint criminal enterprise" whose aim was to "through the use of violence and terror, force a significant number of Kosovo Albanians to leave their homes, across the border, the state government to retain control over Kosovo.
Does this sound like a small scale reprisals?
Say what you want about NATO but if we hadn't gone in then there would not be any of Kosovo left. Serbians were committing war crimes. I know you hate the west, I know you hate NATO but I don't understand how you can justify war crimes.
Stronk Serb
May 14th, 2013, 02:37 PM
So were we supposed to let something like this just happen without enforcing the will of a UN resolution.
The air strikes brought international peace to the region, it was the Albanian's in Kosovo wanting to create an Independent state separate of Serbia. There was massive crisis in the region, Serbian troops and militia were stopping food and supplies getting to populace in Kosovo. We had to go in to make sure that humanitarian aid could be ensured.
The worst thing is that these war crimes were usually carried out on ethnic and religious grounds and were primarily directed against civilians.Several United Nations bodies have judged that the aim of these war crimes in various wars was to create an ethnically pure Serbian state, encompassing Serbia as well as the Serb-populated areas in former Yugoslavia.
Federal Army and Serbian police after the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia 24 March 1999, systematically attacked villages with Albanian population, abused, robbed and killed civilians, ordering them to go to Albania or Montenegro, burning their houses and destroying by their property. Within the campaign of violence, Albanians were mass expelled from their homes, murdered, sexually assaulted, and their religious buildings destroyed. Serbian forces committed numerous war crimes during the implementation of "joint criminal enterprise" whose aim was to "through the use of violence and terror, force a significant number of Kosovo Albanians to leave their homes, across the border, the state government to retain control over Kosovo.
Does this sound like a small scale reprisals?
Say what you want about NATO but if we hadn't gone in then there would not be any of Kosovo left. Serbians were committing war crimes. I know you hate the west, I know you hate NATO but I don't understand how you can justify war crimes.
If you were so just, why didn't you punish the Albanian terrorists also? Now their leader Thaci is head of state of the "Independent" Republic of Kosovo. Why is the UN silent about their attorcities which continue to this day? Serbs were and probably still are abducted and are having their organs ripped out, and sold on the black market. Those poor souls are dying because of your incompetence to punish the purputrators which are probably co-operating with Thaci. Because of an idiot like Milosevic who stole elections, we the Serbs have to suffer like this? That is why I hate NATO. I hate it because they justify themselves as law-bringers, but they serve their own interests an are doing worse. I spit on your banner, I spit on your authority.
britishboy
May 14th, 2013, 02:57 PM
If you were so just, why didn't you punish the Albanian terrorists also? Now their leader Thaci is head of state of the "Independent" Republic of Kosovo. Why is the UN silent about their attorcities which continue to this day? Serbs were and probably still are abducted and are having their organs ripped out, and sold on the black market. Those poor souls are dying because of your incompetence to punish the purputrators which are probably co-operating with Thaci. Because of an idiot like Milosevic who stole elections, we the Serbs have to suffer like this? That is why I hate NATO. I hate it because they justify themselves as law-bringers, but they serve their own interests an are doing worse. I spit on your banner, I spit on your authority.
Serbs were the worst and we dealt with then with good old fashioned high explosives and prove what your saying about them is true and how big is it?
tovaris
May 14th, 2013, 03:56 PM
So were we supposed to let something like this just happen without enforcing the will of a UN resolution.
The air strikes brought international peace to the region, it was the Albanian's in Kosovo wanting to create an Independent state separate of Serbia. There was massive crisis in the region, Serbian troops and militia were stopping food and supplies getting to populace in Kosovo. We had to go in to make sure that humanitarian aid could be ensured.
The worst thing is that these war crimes were usually carried out on ethnic and religious grounds and were primarily directed against civilians.Several United Nations bodies have judged that the aim of these war crimes in various wars was to create an ethnically pure Serbian state, encompassing Serbia as well as the Serb-populated areas in former Yugoslavia.
Federal Army and Serbian police after the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia 24 March 1999, systematically attacked villages with Albanian population, abused, robbed and killed civilians, ordering them to go to Albania or Montenegro, burning their houses and destroying by their property. Within the campaign of violence, Albanians were mass expelled from their homes, murdered, sexually assaulted, and their religious buildings destroyed. Serbian forces committed numerous war crimes during the implementation of "joint criminal enterprise" whose aim was to "through the use of violence and terror, force a significant number of Kosovo Albanians to leave their homes, across the border, the state government to retain control over Kosovo.
Does this sound like a small scale reprisals?
Say what you want about NATO but if we hadn't gone in then there would not be any of Kosovo left. Serbians were committing war crimes. I know you hate the west, I know you hate NATO but I don't understand how you can justify war crimes.
You are overstating smal local actions by unconected Serb grups, that might have been led or at oest inspired by Miloševič.
The serbian army had to enterven because of the crime happening in their own country, Republic of Serbia, Tachi and his man comitted unspicable acts of teror (including plaing footbal with the heads of serbian civilians), and before you ask of a source this time the sourxe is the unconvicted Thaci himself, that is why there came to an armed conflict between Serbs and albanians.
I don't understand how you can justify war crimes, there is no excuse for that no mather your extremly pro western wiews.
Stronk Serb
May 14th, 2013, 03:58 PM
Serbs were the worst and we dealt with then with good old fashioned high explosives and prove what your saying about them is true and how big is it?
Any sane Serb who was in voting in the nineties knew that Milosevic was stealing the elections.
The sources of organ theft:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_theft_in_Kosovo
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/12/back-in-april-of-2008-i-posted-at-atlas-serb-prisoners-were-stripped-of-their-organs-by-kosovo-muslims-describing-the-grim-de.html
britishboy
May 14th, 2013, 04:01 PM
Any sane Serb who was in voting in the nineties knew that Milosevic was stealing the elections.
The sources of organ theft:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_theft_in_Kosovo
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/12/back-in-april-of-2008-i-posted-at-atlas-serb-prisoners-were-stripped-of-their-organs-by-kosovo-muslims-describing-the-grim-de.html
that's really scary and soz I honestly thought nothing like that would be going on in the 21st century...
Stronk Serb
May 14th, 2013, 04:17 PM
that's really scary and soz I honestly thought nothing like that would be going on in the 21st century...
Sadly, the NATO peace forces can stop it. They are not. Thaci terrorists already violated 2 conventions. The one about not harming civilians, and the prisoner if war protection one and gneral human rights violations, plus a shitload of illegal organ, weapon and drug traficking.
britishboy
May 14th, 2013, 04:19 PM
Sadly, the NATO peace forces can stop it. They are not. Thaci terrorists already violated 2 conventions. The one about not harming civilians, and the prisoner if war protection one and gneral human rights violations, plus a shitload of illegal organ, weapon and drug traficking.
your govement should report it to NATO, maybe because you guys hate NATO, NATO maybe scared to get involved
tovaris
May 14th, 2013, 04:21 PM
your govement should report it to NATO, maybe because you guys hate NATO, NATO maybe scared to get involved
NATO isent scared they are aleredy there but dont do anithing because they benifit from it.
britishboy
May 14th, 2013, 04:25 PM
NATO isent scared they are aleredy there but dont do anithing because they benifit from it.
how do they benefit?
tovaris
May 14th, 2013, 04:30 PM
how do they benefit?
Where do you think the drug and organ money goes to it goes to US, UK ... banqs.
Who sels wepons, US (im not saing their gowerment does this directly however it aproves of it and there is alwais CIA)
Whos conpanies are mushroming all over Kosovo?
And how does Kosovo survive? They cant do it on their own they have nothing but ilegal trade.
britishboy
May 14th, 2013, 04:34 PM
Where do you think the drug and organ money goes to it goes to US, UK ... banqs.
Who sels wepons, US (im not saing their gowerment does this directly however it aproves of it and there is alwais CIA)
Whos conpanies are mushroming all over Kosovo?
And how does Kosovo survive? They cant do it on their own they have nothing but ilegal trade.
that really is sad:'(
tovaris
May 14th, 2013, 04:38 PM
that really is sad:'(
capitalisem it is destroing our world
britishboy
May 14th, 2013, 05:09 PM
capitalisem it is destroing our world
I know it needs to be sorted
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