Religion

[NzForever]

What is your opinion of it.

My opinion(its abit harsh)

I think its bullshit. It is all fake and I don't think it should be real. The stuff the people believing is just retarded. There is no god, there is no magic. Most religious people just seem blind. They just want there to be this big man in the skys and think everythings alright. Everything religious people believing is fake

I also had the judgemental part of religion, They had gays, they had abortion, they hate sex before marriage. Its just stupid.

[CharlieHorse]

What is your opinion of it.

My opinion(its abit harsh)

Keep in mind that you are generalizing, globalizing, and projecting. Not many religious people think like that.

I am an atheist, but I don't think you see the point of religion. In the past, religion has unified people. It has created communities, and love. Of course it has also created negative effects, but nothing is perfect.
Religion provides people with a thing to live by. It makes people feel like they're secure and always part of a bigger whole.
Religion guides many to become better people. It gives guidelines for how to live, but unfortunately, a lot of these teachings in this day in age have become not very good (such as hating homosexuals, and other religions).

I personally think religion will eventually die out. It's just becoming more apparent to more people that religion is just a bunch of ideas, and that the faith people have is self created for self purpose. It's not real, but it is a good thing for some.

And although I do dislike a lot of people because of the radical choices they've made in the name of religion, I don't hate it. I love and tolerate.

[Origami]

I think its bullshit. It is all fake and I don't think it should be real.

This is why I grow evermore tired of religion topics on this forum, particularly in ROTW. You ask an opinion but immediately you're throwing underhanded jabs at religion.

The stuff the people believing is just retarded. There is no god, there is no magic.
I could say the same about non-believers. Saying your lack of belief is stupid and that you'll suffer for your sins in an eternal damnation. Again, your "opinion" is nothing more than an underhanded jab at religion.

Most religious people just seem blind. They just want there to be this big man in the skys and think everythings alright. Everything religious people believing is fake
Are we blind? I think you're blind and lack an understanding of religion. As a Baptist Christian I was never taught that everything is alright because of a big man in the sky. Instead I was taught that in the end, being after you're been through tribulation, that everything would ultimately be okay to those who reside their faith in God. If anything, that's a clear message of perseverance and hope. It's a teaching that can be applied to any every day hardship to continue on and make things right. And "everything religious people believing is fake" is just another underhanded jab.


I also had the judgemental part of religion, They had gays, they had abortion, they hate sex before marriage. Its just stupid.

Why is it stupid to have a belief? Are we all inclined to believe what you believe? What makes your way right and our wrong? Also, this is a giant generalization. Yes, the Bible is against homosexuality. Yes, it is against abortion. And yes, it is against premarital sex, but what's wrong with believing in certain things.

As a Christian, I don't give a flying fuck if gays receive equal rights. I'm neither for nor against it. Why? Because it doesn't affect me in any way.
I am against abortion though, except in the case of rape. Why? Because I don't believe in killing an unborn child. If you didn't want it, you shouldn't be fucking around.
And I couldn't care less about premarital sex. I'm certainly not married and don't give a damn.

Besides, you forgot to argue what big hypocrites we Christians are for eating pork, divorcing, and wearing mixed fibers! You really should do more research, kiddo.

So, with this I conclude as such: my opinion on religion is that I find it to be an escape for people who need it, a shelter for those lost in life's storms, and a foundation for morality. I don't approve of extremist action that uses religious doctrine as a message of hate and a weapon of destruction, however. So, in the words of Briex, Praise Jesus!

[Elysium]

I see it as a coping mechanism that's helped many, many people find stability and guidance in their lives and other benefits (yes, it can be harmful as well, but I won't get into that. Anything has its good and bad side). That's not something I would ever want to take away from someone. If someone's religious, I would never want to convince them that their religion is wrong. That would mean uprooting their lives and changing everything they thought they knew. It's just an entirely different set of logic, principles, and reasoning. Despite this, I firmly believe in science. Science gives me a sense of stability because it's very straightforward and there's little up to interpretation. Science is one of the more black and white concepts out there and knowing the why behind everything gives me comfort. Science, in that regard, is like a religion in and of itself, though obviously could never be considered one because it's more about thoroughly proven facts and theories and hypotheses.

I'm proudly Jewish, but as you can probably infer I don't believe in God or much of any of the religious ideas. I'm Jewish in tradition. I observe what Jewish customs I can - I eat kosher (barely, I just avoid pork and consuming meat and dairy together), celebrate holidays, etc. It makes me feel closer to my heritage.

[tovaris]

My religion is communisem (and before you say that it isent a religion note that one when asked for religion on the census, can reply saing he belives in communisem)

[naglfari]

My religion is communisem (and before you say that it isent a religion note that one when asked for religion on the census, can reply saing he belives in communisem)

It would take a religious level of faith to believe in communism

[Stronk Serb]

I guess I believe in the power of the Revolution. Yes, I'm a commie who is coming to steal your freedom, joking :D. All labourers working together will make utopia for the worker class! I do not believe in any divine entity. Just in human power. We can accomplish everything. Just by being united and strong. I guess I believe the same or identical thing Maticek believes in.

[Gwen]

Some quotes from myself:

It wasn't made to be clear
It's more about hope
And belief
Power
Knowledge
Religion is what the follower wants it to be

We don't want the Bible to be "right"
It teaches us to Love Thy Neighbour and "Not to Murder"

[randomnessqueen]

i can tell by your thoughts that you only have abrahamic religions in mind.
i think religion is a great thing, and necessary for the best life.
and ive never found a good reason to discredit it

[Sugaree]

What is your opinion of it.

My opinion(its abit harsh)

Keep bringing up the strawman arguments of gay people, abortion, and everything that the extremists hate. You're doing a really good job.

All this thread is going to do is bash one religion in particular, and that's Christianity. It won't be bashing Islam, Judaism, or any other religion. Nice job reopening another can of worms, OP.

[Ace of Spades]

Keep bringing up the strawman arguments of gay people, abortion, and everything that the extremists hate. You're doing a really good job.

All this thread is going to do is bash one religion in particular, and that's Christianity. It won't be bashing Islam, Judaism, or any other religion. Nice job reopening another can of worms, OP.

Well, Christianity is the majority. What do you expect?
Christians aren't oppressed. Historically, Christians have been the oppressors. (not necessarily the individuals, but definitely as an institution)
Muslims and Jews are minority groups.

[TheBassoonist]

I think religion was created in order to lessen the fear of the unknown. Specifically, death. Every religious belief has something about death, either something after death or death being postponed through rituals and sacrifices and such. I'm an atheist, but I don't care what you believe, just as long as it doesn't affect me.

[Sugaree]

Well, Christianity is the majority. What do you expect?
Christians aren't oppressed. Historically, Christians have been the oppressors. (not necessarily the individuals, but definitely as an institution)
Muslims and Jews are minority groups.

Christians were oppressed for the first few centuries of their existence. Ever hear of how Nero blamed the Christians for Rome burning to the ground? What about how they faced death in multiple lands for not conforming to the state religion? Christians have never always been the oppressors, but they've only just in the last few centuries gained a foothold of acceptance from the majority of the population.

Also, Muslims and Jews aren't minority groups. In the United States they may be, but they are the other two Abrahamic religions that have a good size of the earth's population in certain areas. Seriously, get your shit straight.

[Ace of Spades]

Christians were oppressed for the first few centuries of their existence. Ever hear of how Nero blamed the Christians for Rome burning to the ground? What about how they faced death in multiple lands for not conforming to the state religion? Christians have never always been the oppressors, but they've only just in the last few centuries gained a foothold of acceptance from the majority of the population.

Also, Muslims and Jews aren't minority groups. In the United States they may be, but they are the other two Abrahamic religions that have a good size of the earth's population in certain areas. Seriously, get your shit straight.

After the Roman emperor Constantine the Great took power, Christians did become the oppressors during his reign. What happened to Christians in their early years of expansion, Christians did to everyone else.
Let's also look at the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc..
Jews and Muslims are minority groups because the majority of the world is Christian. Muslims and Jews are also minority groups because of the amount of world influence their faith carries. That is to say that Judaism and Islam do not carry nearly as much influence as Christianity or Catholicism.

[BebeFleur.]

Look, I may not believe in a religion, but I respect those that do. It is their choice and their opinion, we can't tell them what to and what not to believe in. Sure, there can be some religious extremists, but extremists come with any belief. I would never say that religion is stupid or should exist, I just choose not to believe in a religion.

[Ace of Spades]

Christians were oppressed for the first few centuries of their existence. Ever hear of how Nero blamed the Christians for Rome burning to the ground? What about how they faced death in multiple lands for not conforming to the state religion? Christians have never always been the oppressors, but they've only just in the last few centuries gained a foothold of acceptance from the majority of the population.

Also, Muslims and Jews aren't minority groups. In the United States they may be, but they are the other two Abrahamic religions that have a good size of the earth's population in certain areas. Seriously, get your shit straight.

33 examples of Christian privilege.

1. You can expect to have time off work to celebrate religious holidays.
2. Music and television programs pertaining to your religion’s holidays are readily accessible.
3. It is easy to find stores that carry items that enable you to practice your faith and celebrate religious holidays.
4. You aren’t pressured to celebrate holidays from another faith that may conflict with your religious values.
5. Holidays celebrating your faith are so widely supported you can often forget they are limited to your faith (e.g. wish someone a “Merry Christmas” or “Happy Easter” without considering their faith).
6. You can worship freely, without fear of violence or threats.
7. A bumper sticker supporting your religion won’t likely lead to your car being vandalized.
8. You can practice your religious customs without being questioned, mocked, or inhibited.
9. If you are being tried in court, you can assume that the jury of “your peers” will share your faith and not hold that against you in weighing decisions.
10. When swearing an oath, you will place your hand on a religious scripture pertaining to your faith.
11. Positive references to your faith are seen dozens of times a day by everyone, regardless of their faith.
12. Politicians responsible for your governance are probably members of your faith.
13. Politicians can make decisions citing your faith without being labeled as heretics or extremists.
14. It is easy for you to find your faith accurately depicted in television, movies, books, and other media.
15. You can reasonably assume that anyone you encounter will have a decent understanding of your beliefs.
16. You will not be penalized (socially or otherwise) for not knowing other people’s religious customs.
17. Your faith is accepted/supported at your workplace.
18. You can go into any career you want without it being associated with or explained by your faith.
19. You can travel to any part of the country and know your religion will be accepted, safe, and you will have access to religious spaces to practice your faith.
20. Your faith can be an aspect of your identity without being a defining aspect (e.g., people won’t think of you as their “Christian” friend)
21. You can be polite, gentle, or peaceful, and not be considered an “exception” to those practicing your faith.
22. Fundraising to support congregations of your faith will not be investigated as potentially threatening or terrorist behavior.
23. Construction of spaces of worship will not likely be halted due to your faith.
24. You are never asked to speak on behalf of all the members of your faith.
25. You can go anywhere and assume you will be surrounded by members of your faith.
26. Without special effort, your children will have a multitude of teachers who share your faith.
27. Without special effort, your children will have a multitude of friends who share your faith.
28. It is easily accessible for you or your children to be educated from kindergarten through post-grad at institutions of your faith.
29. Disclosing your faith to an adoption agency will not likely prevent you from being able to adopt children.
30. In the event of a divorce, the judge won’t immediately grant custody of your children to your ex because of your faith.
31. Your faith is taught or offered as a course at most public institutions.
32. You can complain about your religion being under attack without it being perceived as an attack on another religion.
33. You can dismiss the idea that identifying with your faith bears certain privileges.

[Origami]

After the Roman emperor Constantine the Great took power, Christians did become the oppressors during his reign. What happened to Christians in their early years of expansion, Christians did to everyone else.
Let's also look at the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc..
Jews and Muslims are minority groups because the majority of the world is Christian. Muslims and Jews are also minority groups because of the amount of world influence their faith carries. That is to say that Judaism and Islam do not carry nearly as much influence as Christianity or Catholicism.

Hate to burst your bubble, but in the modern day religion only carries an influence to those who believe in it. Which, mind you, is rapidly decreasing for most every religion.

Judaism and Islam actually do have a huge influence in their areas, but as their religion is actually heavily influenced by their heritage, they stay isolated to these areas as their families don't scatter geographically. Christianity simply had the advantage of not only having countless forms of itself, but it's believers scattering themselves globally.

You blame an institution for being an oppressor when oppression has existed everywhere, forever. And it always will. Every religion and even Atheism has pulled some form of oppression and been oppressed at some point. So why argue such a trivial fact?

What's worse is you say Christians aren't oppressed. It's very obvious that they are even today, that much is apparent even on these forums. Have you noticed, people are much more tolerant of bashing Christians than any other topic here? People are hated, despised, and considered stupid for being a Christian in most places these days. And with extremist movements and the common Atheist being a butt hurt turd with no knowledge of the religion, this is becoming ever more so obvious.

It doesn't matter if you're Buddhist, Catholic, Christian, Hindu, Islamic, Jewish, Atheist, or believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. We're all guilty of unspeakable crimes but none of us should be told our beliefs are stupid or not real.


6. You can worship freely, without fear of violence or threats.
7. A bumper sticker supporting your religion won’t likely lead to your car being vandalized.
8. You can practice your religious customs without being questioned, mocked, or inhibited.
9. If you are being tried in court, you can assume that the jury of “your peers” will share your faith and not hold that against you in weighing decisions.

Also, you're a few years outdated. This is very much bullshit in today's world.

[AlexBarrett]

I like it.

[Ace of Spades]

Hate to burst your bubble, but in the modern day religion only carries an influence to those who believe in it. Which, mind you, is rapidly decreasing for most every religion.

Judaism and Islam actually do have a huge influence in their areas, but as their religion is actually heavily influenced by their heritage, they stay isolated to these areas as their families don't scatter geographically. Christianity simply had the advantage of not only having countless forms of itself, but it's believers scattering themselves globally.

You blame an institution for being an oppressor when oppression has existed everywhere, forever. And it always will. Every religion and even Atheism has pulled some form of oppression and been oppressed at some point. So why argue such a trivial fact?

What's worse is you say Christians aren't oppressed. It's very obvious that they are even today, that much is apparent even on these forums. Have you noticed, people are much more tolerant of bashing Christians than any other topic here? People are hated, despised, and considered stupid for being a Christian in most places these days. And with extremist movements and the common Atheist being a butt hurt turd with no knowledge of the religion, this is becoming ever more so obvious.

It doesn't matter if you're Buddhist, Catholic, Christian, Hindu, Islamic, Jewish, Atheist, or believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. We're all guilty of unspeakable crimes but none of us should be told our beliefs are stupid or not real.



Also, you're a few years outdated. This is very much bullshit in today's world.

Read the 33 examples of Christian privilege

[Origami]

Read the 33 examples of Christian privilege

I did and even edited my post. But by your 33 examples it's obvious you're oblivious to Christianity on a global scale but only aware of it's American and probably British influences. All of your examples will vary based on region. Newsflash, Christians are hated in today's world.

[WickedWeekend]

I think its bullshit. It is all fake and I don't think it should be real.

Okay, fair enough. I understand you may not believe in a God but you don't have to shove that idea down our throats. (Ironic isn't it?)

The stuff the people believing is just retarded. There is no god, there is no magic.

How would you feel if I told you that your beliefs are retarded? Plus that's a politically incorrect term unless you are talking about mentally handicapped people. Even then, the term is becoming politically incorrect for that. So stop using it. But, hey! I believe in a God! And you're right, there is no such thing as magic. Weren't you told that before you turned ten?

Most religious people just seem blind. They just want there to be this big man in the skys and think everythings alright. Everything religious people believing is fake

If anything, we "religious people" aren't blind at all. We can see something you can't. And no, we don't believe everything is alright. Christians with a right mind believe this world is covered by sin and we need a Savior. During the last seven years, that will be the process in which everything will be made okay. Now, you may believe that Who we're believing is fake, but you do not have be a major douche about it.

I also had the judgemental part of religion, They had gays, they had abortion, they hate sex before marriage. Its just stupid.

Okay, you got me there. The Bible says we are not called to be judgmental though. Because the only true judge will have a verdict during the final days. Though, there are some Christian dudes who just don't get it. We as Christians are called to be friends with non-believers and those who do "wrong." I support gay-marriage and I'm pro-choice. But I'm not gay myself, and I'm probably going to give up my child for adoption if I'm not cut out for the whole parent thing. Now, abstinence is something I believe everyone should have. But that's because of Christian fundamentals. Oh, and you say our beliefs are stupid again? I'm just going to say one thing, fuck you. There, got it out of my system. Nothing personal, but no one calls my beliefs stupid.

Oh, and religion? I don't like that. I believe true Christianity is a close relationship that can't be compared to any other.

[Sugaree]

33 examples of Christian privilege.

1. You can expect to have time off work to celebrate religious holidays.
2. Music and television programs pertaining to your religion’s holidays are readily accessible.
3. It is easy to find stores that carry items that enable you to practice your faith and celebrate religious holidays.
4. You aren’t pressured to celebrate holidays from another faith that may conflict with your religious values.
5. Holidays celebrating your faith are so widely supported you can often forget they are limited to your faith (e.g. wish someone a “Merry Christmas” or “Happy Easter” without considering their faith).
6. You can worship freely, without fear of violence or threats.
7. A bumper sticker supporting your religion won’t likely lead to your car being vandalized.
8. You can practice your religious customs without being questioned, mocked, or inhibited.
9. If you are being tried in court, you can assume that the jury of “your peers” will share your faith and not hold that against you in weighing decisions.
10. When swearing an oath, you will place your hand on a religious scripture pertaining to your faith.
11. Positive references to your faith are seen dozens of times a day by everyone, regardless of their faith.
12. Politicians responsible for your governance are probably members of your faith.
13. Politicians can make decisions citing your faith without being labeled as heretics or extremists.
14. It is easy for you to find your faith accurately depicted in television, movies, books, and other media.
15. You can reasonably assume that anyone you encounter will have a decent understanding of your beliefs.
16. You will not be penalized (socially or otherwise) for not knowing other people’s religious customs.
17. Your faith is accepted/supported at your workplace.
18. You can go into any career you want without it being associated with or explained by your faith.
19. You can travel to any part of the country and know your religion will be accepted, safe, and you will have access to religious spaces to practice your faith.
20. Your faith can be an aspect of your identity without being a defining aspect (e.g., people won’t think of you as their “Christian” friend)
21. You can be polite, gentle, or peaceful, and not be considered an “exception” to those practicing your faith.
22. Fundraising to support congregations of your faith will not be investigated as potentially threatening or terrorist behavior.
23. Construction of spaces of worship will not likely be halted due to your faith.
24. You are never asked to speak on behalf of all the members of your faith.
25. You can go anywhere and assume you will be surrounded by members of your faith.
26. Without special effort, your children will have a multitude of teachers who share your faith.
27. Without special effort, your children will have a multitude of friends who share your faith.
28. It is easily accessible for you or your children to be educated from kindergarten through post-grad at institutions of your faith.
29. Disclosing your faith to an adoption agency will not likely prevent you from being able to adopt children.
30. In the event of a divorce, the judge won’t immediately grant custody of your children to your ex because of your faith.
31. Your faith is taught or offered as a course at most public institutions.
32. You can complain about your religion being under attack without it being perceived as an attack on another religion.
33. You can dismiss the idea that identifying with your faith bears certain privileges.

>Christian privilege

Yeah, that's where I stopped reading this post. We don't do privilege checking here.

[Ace of Spades]

I did and even edited my post. But by your 33 examples it's obvious you're oblivious to Christianity on a global scale but only aware of it's American and probably British influences. All of your examples will vary based on region. Newsflash, Christians are hated in today's world.

If you wouldn't mind, please give some examples where Christians have been directly targeted. I'm not saying that there aren't any, I just want to see what you come up with off the top of your head.

[Sugaree]

If you wouldn't mind, please give some examples where Christians have been directly targeted. I'm not saying that there aren't any, I just want to see what you come up with off the top of your head.

Iran and many Middle Eastern countries have laws on the books that say you can be executed for being a Christian. Many third world countries in Africa will burn people just on suspicion of them being Christian.

[Ace of Spades]

Iran and many Middle Eastern countries have laws on the books that say you can be executed for being a Christian. Many third world countries in Africa will burn people just on suspicion of them being Christian.

Please give specific examples.

[Origami]

If you wouldn't mind, please give some examples where Christians have been directly targeted. I'm not saying that there aren't any, I just want to see what you come up with off the top of your head.

You mean aside from the fact that every fucking argument about "religion" is bad immediately turns into "Christianity" is bad? If you've failed to notice something so simple and obvious and need more examples than that, then you're oblivious to the world as a whole.

And how was Matt's example not sufficient? It is common knowledge, I'm not quite sure how you've not known about this. But then again, unless you're religious, you often don't know what it's like on the inside.

[Ace of Spades]

You mean aside from the fact that every fucking argument about "religion" is bad immediately turns into "Christianity" is bad? If you've failed to notice something so simple and obvious and need more examples than that, then you're oblivious to the world as a whole.

And how was Matt's example not sufficient? It is common knowledge, I'm not quite sure how you've not known about this. But then again, unless you're religious, you often don't know what it's like on the inside.

All I asked for were multiple specific examples where Christians have been mercilessly persecuted/targeted. Is that too much to ask?

[Sugaree]

All I asked for were multiple specific examples where Christians have been mercilessly persecuted/targeted. Is that too much to ask?

So to you, it's not merciless to hang someone based on belief or to burn them in a pit of dry grass because they believe in something you don't? Wow, get your fucking head examined.

[naglfari]

You mean aside from the fact that every fucking argument about "religion" is bad immediately turns into "Christianity" is bad? If you've failed to notice something so simple and obvious and need more examples than that, then you're oblivious to the world as a whole.

And how was Matt's example not sufficient? It is common knowledge, I'm not quite sure how you've not known about this. But then again, unless you're religious, you often don't know what it's like on the inside.

Most people here are most familiar with christianity. "Christian persecution" is like reverse racism, a complete joke.

[Ace of Spades]

So to you, it's not merciless to hang someone based on belief or to burn them in a pit of dry grass because they believe in something you don't? Wow, get your fucking head examined.

Wow, way to twist my words. I asked for examples and all you can do is dodge answering. Seriously, grow up.