China

[ImCoolBeans]

In the mid-90's the Clinton Administration allowed the US to begin trade with China and as we all know, it's taken off quite a bit. The U.S. does not associate with communist nations and does not allow any commerce to go on between them, however, China is a communist nation. So what makes China so special and different? The fact that they give 0% of a fuck about labor and over working the factory workers, they don't have a minimum wage and the government does not hold any restriction on pollution or factory waste. Realizing how much money the American industries could save and how much of a profit they would make on this, the government allowed trade with China to begin, thus creating the monster that is now on our plates.

China has ruined almost every American industry and is on it's way to ruining them all. Companies like Walmart get all of their products straight from the manufacturer in China; saving heaps on money on manufacturing costs, distributing costs and ultimately lowering the product costs to a number so low that almost no other market can compete with them. Trade with China was supposed to consist more of American businesses trading products with the Chinese but has turned into us strictly trading raw materials for the finished goods. The amount of debt that the U.S. has racked up with China is unfathomable and has likely conjoined us to them by the hip for all of eternity while we rapidly keep throwing fuel on the fire and drain our bank accounts into their wallets.

Is trading with China still worth it at all? I don't see how the situation could improve at all, considering that all of these monopoly-like companies such as Walmart will not stop outsourcing to China unless they are forced to. So many Americans have lost jobs to Chinese labor workers -- but that isn't the only reason why they've lost them -- "super-power-stores", like Walmart, are crushing the competition with their unbeatable prices and one-stop-shop conveniences, making it nearly impossible for any smaller businesses to make a profit and survive.

I don't think that the economy can improve much from this point unless we stop trade with China. They've destroyed the business side of America and I don't think it's possible to recover from that unless we cut ties with them. What do you guys think? Opinions/thoughts?

[TheBigUnit]

china fixed its gov in the 80s to a more capitalistic approach, unfortunately for china though, nobody wants their children to be blue collar factory workers and just like here the next generation is shooting for a professional job, companies now are slowly moving out of china to other places like mongolia and brazil, people are demanding higher pay while others are unfortunately jumping off building, companies now have to put suicide nets on their buildings, many of you can see the quality of iphone 5 shoot down below their standard with broken off buttons etc, all bc of turmoil at foxxconn a iphone factory in china

[Cicero]

China is starting to fix its government, it's becoming more like ours. To a degree. Companies like Wal Mart try their best to have good working environments for the workers and companies they buy from over their. They've recently started surprise inspections to those factories, so that those factories can't make the employees say certain inks or so they don't have time to redecorate.

If things were made in America, the price would be doubled. So many Americans wouldn't be able to afford stuff

[Professional Russian]

I say we cut all relations with China and bring everything back to the US we will have more jobs which will make the economy better which hives everyone more money.

[Abyssal Echo]

China is starting to fix its government, it's becoming more like ours. To a degree. Companies like Wal Mart try their best to have good working environments for the workers and companies they buy from over their. They've recently started surprise inspections to those factories, so that those factories can't make the employees say certain inks or so they don't have time to redecorate.

If things were made in America, the price would be doubled. So many Americans wouldn't be able to afford stuff

point is if the stuff was made here Americans would have jobs and be able to afford American made products

[Cicero]

point is if the stuff was made here Americans would have jobs and be able to afford American made products

Now it's kinda too late to do that. Most companies will never come to the US, like Apple and Wal Mart.

[Left Now]

Huh!
China is going to take the place of the US in the world guys!
Do you really think Chinese people are like Americans and Europeans?
They are hard workers,cultural people who do not want to waste anything.They will use anything to advance their country.

Anyway,they are all different from other major powers' people.They are now a Great Dragoon,soon they will be a greater one!

[Abyssal Echo]

Wal Mart is here. a number of companies have asked to come back to the U.S. but the U.S. wants there tax incentive money back that George Bush gave them to leave.
so they can not afford to come back.
Nothing stopping them from starting new companies here in the U.S. making similar products though.

[TheBigUnit]

I say we cut all relations with China and bring everything back to the US we will have more jobs which will make the economy better which hives everyone more money.

im sure thats the most realistic idea


point is if the stuff was made here Americans would have jobs and be able to afford American made products

americans dont want to go back to factory jobs, sure millions upon millions will get jobs but many wont be satisfied, heck look what happening in china right now

[Abyssal Echo]

im sure thats the most realistic idea




americans dont want to go back to factory jobs, sure millions upon millions will get jobs but many wont be satisfied, heck look what happening in china right now

lets face it having a job = a place to live, food to eat.
no job = homeless and hungry
lets see hmmm I think I'll take the job.

[Cicero]

Americans are spoiled, every American has a standard of what they'll do. Even if they did work in factories, they'd want health care, then they'd want higher pay. Companies just won't deal with that, look at what happened to the Twinkie people. That's a perfect example why large companies won't deal with us Americans.

[Southside]

I see a few of you guys are saying cut ties and make it here in America..Possible, but the corperations arent going to do that. See, it's all about cheap labor and low wages, who can get that 1200 dollar computer or those 150 dollar Nike's made for the cheapest. I saw something on the Huffington Post, average hourly wage Chinese factory worker is $1.36, they have no benefits such as healthcare, and the average work day is 12 hours. Honestly, if you were a CEO of a major corperation, would you pay $1.36(Chinese Factory Worker) or $23.32(US Factory Worker)? Don't blame the whole manufacturing decline on the government or the President, blame it on these corperations. It's not just China, it's Vietnam, Guatemala,Honduras, El-Salvador, these corperations know that people are willing to work for cheap money. These corperations dont care about the well-being of laborers, they care about $$$, and these "American" companies dont give a shit about the American public struggling to find work.

Read this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/08/average-cost-factory-worker_n_1327413.html

[pjones]

I have a relative that has been to China and does business there for his company. He says there are some good reason's to source products there, almost always because the labor is so cheap compared to the USA. His company has parts made in China that don't fit in his factory well, and it allowed them to increase production on other products and grow the business. For technical stuff the USA is very competitive. He says the workers live at the factory in dorms because the industrial areas are so far away from where the workers come from. He also told me China is developing more industrial areas, but are taking away fertile farmland to do this so there is less land to grow food every year.

[Maverick]

Stopping trade with China is a bad idea. Implementing protectionism doesn't benefit either side. To really explain how... pretend I own a business and you own a business. Then think of these businesses as seperate countries. In my business I can produce shovels much cheaper and more efficiently than you ever can. In your business you can produce rakes much cheaper and efficiently than anybody else around.

Say your business/country has a period of unemployment or recession, you ask yourself why are you importing my shovels when you have workers laid off who can make them at home. So you decide to implement protectionism and stop buying my shovels. You start to produce shovels at home but you're grossly inefficient at making them because you have to climb high mountains to get the steel. As a result you finally are able to sell shovels but they are 2-3 times more expensive. The people of your country have to pay more for shovels and have less disposable income than they would have if you imported them.

Also since you stopped buying my shovels you pissed me off so I'm going to quit buying your rakes. So rake production goes down so all you end up doing is selling less rakes, spending more on shovels, and diverting your precious time and resources to produce something (shovels) that you really aren't good at making.

Free enterprise is the best route to go. Consumers win that way. Now we can choose to either drive a Toyota, Chevy, Nissan, or Honda.

The problem isn't free enterprise. The problem is that its far too expensive to produce things here. A lo t of it has to do with the taxes, regulations, and the declining dollar. Research how expensive it is to start a business and hire people. it till answer a lot as to why there aren't jobs.