Worst US president

[Harry Smith]

Hey guys, I made a thread a while back about who you thought was the best US president and I was really surprised at how popular it was. So my question now is who do you think is the worse US president?

I'm going to open it up and say George W. Bush

It amazes me at how bad his presidency was- he refused to acknowledge climate change, he said that stem cell research was evil despite the fact it would save many lives and now america is many years behind in it's research.He was anti-abortion, He brought in the Patriot act which is pretty un-american. He is pretty much the typical crazy Christian from the South.

So who is the worse US president?

[Left Now]

George W Bush...
He was only a rich cowboy nothing more

[Human]

I don't know a lot but George W. Bush seemed to have sucked

[Bethany]

George W. Bush...

-Basically ignored pre-9/11 warnings that a big terrorist attack was going to happen
-Lied to the American people about weapons of mass destruction
-Plunged the country pointlessly into the war in Iraq
-His tax cuts on the rich that helped nobody but the rich
-The country went into debt under him
-No Child Left Behind created one-size-fits-all, teaching-to-the-test education

[Korashk]

Abraham Lincoln
- Started an unnesessary civil war that led to the deaths of millions
- Behaved like a tyrant during his tenure as president
- Didn't end slavery or even really free slaves like so many people think, he actually didn't have a problem with the practice
- Began the era of overbearing and oppressive government

[Sugaree]

Abraham Lincoln
- Started an unnesessary civil war that led to the deaths of millions
- Behaved like a tyrant during his tenure as president
- Didn't end slavery or even really free slaves like so many people think, he actually didn't have a problem with the practice
- Began the era of overbearing and oppressive government

Fucking this. Lincoln was worse than Dubya by a long shot.

[naglfari]

Abraham Lincoln
- Started an unnesessary civil war that led to the deaths of millions
- Behaved like a tyrant during his tenure as president
- Didn't end slavery or even really free slaves like so many people think, he actually didn't have a problem with the practice
- Began the era of overbearing and oppressive government

lol. do you have a confederate flag hanging up anywhere?

I don't really know much about most of the older presidents, but it's gotta be nixon reagan or bush jr

[Celtic.]

Abraham Lincoln
- Started an unnesessary civil war that led to the deaths of millions
- Behaved like a tyrant during his tenure as president
- Didn't end slavery or even really free slaves like so many people think, he actually didn't have a problem with the practice
- Began the era of overbearing and oppressive government

dont forget he had Slaves build the white house......

Bush was horrible though

[TheBigUnit]

lol. do you have a confederate flag hanging up anywhere?

I don't really know much about most of the older presidents, but it's gotta be nixon reagan or bush jr

Lincoln passed acts similar to the patriot act even before the war, i dont believe the war was entirely his fault though

Bush is prob in the top 5 worst including Buchanan, Andrew johnson, and Harding
he had a C average in school and only went to Yale bc of father bush, hes a goon

are you actually suggesting that nixon was a bad president???? he could be in the top 5 best of all time

Reagan is always up for grabs

[BebeFleur.]

Besides the whole Watergate scandal, Nixon was a good President.

I'd say George W. Bush was the worst.

[naglfari]

nixon sabotaged peace agreements with vietnam because the war would help him get re-elected. enough said.

[TheBigUnit]

nixon sabotaged peace agreements with vietnam because the war would help him get re-elected. enough said.

we might still be in the cold war if it wasnt foor nixon

[chrisf55]

Abraham Lincoln
- Started an unnesessary civil war that led to the deaths of millions
- Behaved like a tyrant during his tenure as president
- Didn't end slavery or even really free slaves like so many people think, he actually didn't have a problem with the practice
- Began the era of overbearing and oppressive government
- Lincoln did not start the civil war, the south started the war by attacking Fort Sumter.
- 'Behaved like a tyrant' No, Lincoln was anything but a tyrant, but I will agree that he was strict because there was a civil war going on.
- What do you think the Emancipation Proclamation was? After the Civil War ended, it took full effect and freed nearly all of the slaves in the south. And don't even try to say Lincoln didn't have a problem with slavery. The main reason he got voted in was because of his speeches on slavery.
- Well making the government more strict was obviously a good choice, since there was a civil war, it couldve happened again if the government hadn't gotten more strict.

[PinkFloyd]

George W. Bush with out a doubt. I don't know much about politics, but I know for a fact that he caused the worst financial crisis since the Great depression.

[Cicero]

Carter

[TheBigUnit]

- What do you think the Emancipation Proclamation was? After the Civil War ended, it took full effect and freed nearly all of the slaves in the south. And don't even try to say Lincoln didn't have a problem with slavery. The main reason he got voted in was because of his speeches on slavery.


Lincoln said that he felt that our country looked bad with slaves, countries in europe already abolished slavery before the civil war, though he was racist, he wasnt dumb

that being said he did save this nation

[Abyssal Echo]

George Bush

[SamanthaMaciel]

george w. fucking bush...

[CharlieHorse]

Bush :/
But I love all the jokes and memes about him :P

[BebeFleur.]

Bush :/
But I love all the jokes and memes about him :P

Who doesn't? xD

[HUSTLEMAN]

Ok ok ok, we ALL know that Bush sucked but guys he really wasn't all that bad. In my opinion the worst Presidents ever is James Buchanan (Did nothing to prevent the South from splitting up) and Richard Nixon (Watergate, what else, he wasn't called Tricky Dick for nothing.? Oh, I almost forget Andrew Johnson. (The total opposite of Lincoln.)

[Southside]

Both Bush's Daddy Bush invaded my homeland of Panama for no other reason to capture one cocaine dealing leader. W. Bush? We all know what he did, no need to go over it. Only good modern Republican(1920-present) was Reagan and maybe Eisenhower?

[naglfari]

we might still be in the cold war if it wasnt foor nixon

He got thousands of people killed to win an election

[dusman77]

My favorite, Andrew Jackson. He held a raucous party at the White House. He kicked out experienced officials to give his friends and supporters jobs. He killed many at the Battle of New Orleans after the War of 1812 had already ended. He was a famed Indian killer. He passed the Indian Removal Act, which led to the Trail of Tears. He kicked Cherokee Indians off their land just because he thought there was gold there. (Not to mention that when the Cherokee went to the Supreme Court about this, and the Supreme Court said that the Cherokee should be allowed to keep their land, Jackson still forced them off with soldiers) And to top it all off, he was just conceited. He named half his kids Andrew Jackson. XD

[Cygnus]

George W Bush of course, he sucked in every way possible.

[Sugaree]

ITT: liberals bashing Dubya and deciding to be blind to everything else

[naglfari]

ITT: liberals bashing Dubya and deciding to be blind to everything else

we've only really known bush and obama in our lifetimes and bush was terrible and kinda ruined everything for our generation, what do you expect?

[Southside]

ITT: liberals bashing Dubya and deciding to be blind to everything else

What are we being blind to? You must be OK with that fact that we spent a few billion dollars on a war to find something that didnt exsist.

[chrisawesome]

Obama and Carter

Freaking liberals spending money we dont even have. And then thinking they can win the votes of the lower and middle class by acting as Robinhood, because whoever voted for him are lazy parasites sucking and living off of the success of others. That is F-ing rediculous. "The rich dont get rich by wasting their money" When we are trillions of $ in debt we need to conserve all the money we can !

Did you know Obama is giving our enemy countries ammunition.

Now Obama wants to praise Texas as a model state for business. DUMBASS, dont you know that it is Rick Perry one of your opponents in the Presidential campaign , yes, the stupid Rick Perry who is responsible for high job creation and low unemployment. The Republican Gov. who is pro-business, pro-wealthy; creating jobs for the middle class.

Kind of makes you feel like an ass for bullying him, doesnt it ??

[TheBassoonist]

Buchanan. He saw the Civil War approaching and did nothing to stop it.

[Sugaree]

we've only really known bush and obama in our lifetimes and bush was terrible and kinda ruined everything for our generation, what do you expect?

It's a bit shortsighted to only know two administrations and only consider those two to be good or bad. Did you even bother looking at Harding, Buchanan, or even Wilson?

What are we being blind to? You must be OK with that fact that we spent a few billion dollars on a war to find something that didnt exsist.

You're being blind to the fact that there have been worse presidents in this country's lifetime and only considering ONE to be fully evil. I was never ok with spending billions of tax payer dollars on war, so I don't see the need to start assuming.

[TheBigUnit]

He got thousands of people killed to win an election

his leadership helped put america in a new age, he might be one of the main reasons why we are where we are

[Hunter_Steel]

I don't know much about the history of US presidents since I never cared much to study about them, the only history I was ever interested in was WWII, WWI, wars before that, and wars after that.

But I can think that for this decade, the worst is Obama. Even though Bush spent a couple billion on attacking Iraq, with enough evidence (Liberals say what you will, I do not care, he had enough reason to attack Iraq and put Saddam in his place) and it was a good field test for the F-15E and the M1-A1 Abrams Tank. America's economy derives off of it's current war like nature, where in the past before it was involved in the 1st and 2nd World Wars, it remained a nation of neutrality and wanted to have nothing to do with WWI and WWII. But alas, the Germans and the Japanese didn't let it stay out, so both times it was America that was brought in.

America was involved in many wars it did not want to be involved in. And many presidents of America started following this path and eventually made America a power that intervened in other Country's wars in the name of peace but all it was is just to test new weapons. (Operation Desert Storm is testament to that.)

Obama in current, may have been handed a mess that Bush left him with, but he made it worse by increasing America's debt and putting them in debt with China, and continues to do nothing but put them in further debt. Eventually America might have their asses owned by China because of Obama.

Want to prove me wrong? Go ahead, do it. Obama is not going to do any good for America. Even though its the job of Congress to fix the education system and the health system and all that, Obama promised to do so in his election campaign speech and still has not fallen through with it.

~Hunter

[Korashk]

- Lincoln did not start the civil war, the south started the war by attacking Fort Sumter.
Because they weren't allowed to peaceably secede from the union. Congress may declare war, but the president has a pretty huge say in those decisions. They wanted to leave and the government forced them to stay and led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands because of that decisions.

- 'Behaved like a tyrant' No, Lincoln was anything but a tyrant, but I will agree that he was strict because there was a civil war going on.
So sending reporters that write bad things about you to jail without due process isn't tyranny? I can't think of any other examples off the top of my head, but if you really want me to I bet I can find some.

- What do you think the Emancipation Proclamation was? After the Civil War ended, it took full effect and freed nearly all of the slaves in the south.
So...he freed slaves in an area where he no longer had any practical authority to do so and specifically DID NOT free them in areas where he did. Good on him. I'd be willing to bet that almost no slaves gained freedom after the executive order. It was also the first executive order to try and accomplish something that was outside the scope of the presidency.

And don't even try to say Lincoln didn't have a problem with slavery. The main reason he got voted in was because of his speeches on slavery.

"I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races -- that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races...I, as much as any man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."
- Abraham Lincoln, second debate with Stephen Douglas, on August 27, 1858

"Now, gentlemen, I don't want to read at any greater length, but this is the true complexion of all I have ever said in regard to the institution of slavery and the black race. This is the whole of it, and anything that argues me into his idea of perfect social and political equality with the negro, is but a specious and fantastic arrangement of words, by which a man can prove a horse-chestnut to be a chestnut horse. I will say here, while upon this subject, that I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so. I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and the black races. There is a physical difference between the two, which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position. I have never said anything to the contrary, but I hold that, notwithstanding all this, there is no reason in the world why the negro is not entitled to all the natural rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence, the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I hold that he is as much entitled to these as the white man. I agree with Judge Douglas he is not my equal in many respects—certainly not in color, perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowment. But in the right to eat the bread, without the leave of anybody else, which his own hand earns, he is my equal and the equal of Judge Douglas, and the equal of every living man."
- Abraham Lincoln, Abraham Lincoln: Complete Works, Comprising His Speeches, Letters, State Papers and Miscellaneous Writings, Volume 1

"What next? Free them, and make them politically and socially our equals? My own feelings will not admit of this; and if mine would, we well know that those of the great mass of white people will not. Whether this feeling accords with justice and sound judgment, is not the sole question, if, indeed, it is any part of it. A universal feeling, whether well or ill-founded, cannot be safely disregarded. We cannot, then, make them equals. It does seem to me that systems of gradual emancipation might be adopted; but for their tardiness in this, I will not undertake to judge our brethren of the South."
- Abraham Lincoln, first debate with Stephen Douglas, on August 21, 1858

And there are a lot more. (http://academic.udayton.edu/race/02rights/slave07.htm)

- Well making the government more strict was obviously a good choice, since there was a civil war, it couldve happened again if the government hadn't gotten more strict.
It wouldn't have happened at all if the Confederacy was allowed to secede. There was no legal or moral reason to stop them. Don't even try to claim that slavery was a moral reason either. Slavery ended everywhere else in the developed world without a war.

we've only really known bush and obama in our lifetimes and bush was terrible and kinda ruined everything for our generation, what do you expect?
Everything Bush did, Obama is making worse. So even by that metric he wouldn't be the worst president. People think Obama is better than Bush when in reality they have almost exactly the same positions and act in an official capacity in nearly identical fashion.

[naglfari]

I don't know much about the history of US presidents since I never cared much to study about them, the only history I was ever interested in was WWII, WWI, wars before that, and wars after that.

But I can think that for this decade, the worst is Obama. Even though Bush spent a couple billion on attacking Iraq, with enough evidence (Liberals say what you will, I do not care, he had enough reason to attack Iraq and put Saddam in his place) and it was a good field test for the F-15E and the M1-A1 Abrams Tank. America's economy derives off of it's current war like nature, where in the past before it was involved in the 1st and 2nd World Wars, it remained a nation of neutrality and wanted to have nothing to do with WWI and WWII. But alas, the Germans and the Japanese didn't let it stay out, so both times it was America that was brought in.

America was involved in many wars it did not want to be involved in. And many presidents of America started following this path and eventually made America a power that intervened in other Country's wars in the name of peace but all it was is just to test new weapons. (Operation Desert Storm is testament to that.)

Obama in current, may have been handed a mess that Bush left him with, but he made it worse by increasing America's debt and putting them in debt with China, and continues to do nothing but put them in further debt. Eventually America might have their asses owned by China because of Obama.

Want to prove me wrong? Go ahead, do it. Obama is not going to do any good for America. Even though its the job of Congress to fix the education system and the health system and all that, Obama promised to do so in his election campaign speech and still has not fallen through with it.

~Hunter

I see no one here understands the deficit or how the economy works...

Our debt comes from the wars which Obama is ending and the bush taxcuts and loopholes that republicans refuse to let Obama fix. The only expensive thing Obama has done is the stimulus, which is what saved the economy and is already paying for itself while those taxcuts are still putting us further in debt and we get nothing out of them.

And Obama has made huge positive changes to healthcare and education, especially student loans

[naglfari]

Also quite clear you don't understand Lincoln. I'd explain but just watch the movie tbh. Historians agree it's accurate

[Atonement]

But I can think that for this decade, the worst is Obama. Even though Bush spent a couple billion on attacking Iraq, with enough evidence (Liberals say what you will, I do not care, he had enough reason to attack Iraq and put Saddam in his place) and it was a good field test for the F-15E and the M1-A1 Abrams Tank.

1. Considering in the past decade we've had George W. Bush or Obama, you're not really opening up your criticism very far.

2. Are you referring to the evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? You mean the complete lack of evidence of WMDs in Iraq during and after the invasion? Yup... That was a good rationale. I mean, in reality, Saddam was committing countless human rights violations so I'm fine with him being removed. However, the rationale at the time wasn't appropriate.

3. I'm quite confident that our military gets enough training of their equipment. "Field test" is not war. If using our military equipment was justification for war, why would we ever stop? Just keep trying new things at the expense of people's lives. Great idea.

Obama in current, may have been handed a mess that Bush left him with, but he made it worse by increasing America's debt and putting them in debt with China, and continues to do nothing but put them in further debt. Eventually America might have their asses owned by China because of Obama.


1. Debt doesn't just turn around in an instant. Also, to blame the executive branch is to ignore the immense power of Congress with whom the true power to work on debt solutions lies. Sure, Obama can lead, but he can't force Congress into doing what they don't want.

2. China holds 8.1% of US debt in bonds etc. Cool. How much does it matter that China holds the debt or if the people hold the debt? The biggest chunks of debt are to the American people, therefore that would be the easiest to relegate.

3. China won't "own" America due to debt. That's ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. That's not how reality works.

[Hunter_Steel]

"Field test" is not war.


A weapons field test is done on the battlefield. That is when the weapon's reliability is tested in the heat of combat. The Abrams Tank proved to be a huge success in Operation Desert Storm despite some US military officials having their doubts about the new design, now with the Abrams II on the field and the Abrams III on the drawing board, I believe the field test for the Abrams III will either be NK or some other Middle Eastern or North African country.

~Hunter

[Korashk]

Also quite clear you don't understand Lincoln. I'd explain but just watch the movie tbh. Historians agree it's accurate
All I did was quote Lincoln and give examples of his actions in my post and you're the one claiming I don't understand him and should watch a piece of historical fiction to get a better grasp?

[chrisf55]

It wouldn't have happened at all if the Confederacy was allowed to secede. There was no legal or moral reason to stop them. Don't even try to claim that slavery was a moral reason either. Slavery ended everywhere else in the developed world without a war.

There was a reason to stop them, which was preserving the union of the United States. And yes, I WILL claim slavery was a moral reason. Slavery was a moral issue if i've ever seen one, you're forcing people that are no different from you to be your slave. If you don't think slavery is a moral problem, there is something seriously wrong with you. And the reason other countries got rid of their slaves so easily has nothing to do with Lincoln. It was because the south didn't want to get rid of their slaves and the north was trying harder and harder to force them to.

[naglfari]

All I did was quote Lincoln and give examples of his actions in my post and you're the one claiming I don't understand him and should watch a piece of historical fiction to get a better grasp?

Devoid of context yeah. Politicians say stuff they don't mean to get elected, always have

A weapons field test is done on the battlefield. That is when the weapon's reliability is tested in the heat of combat. The Abrams Tank proved to be a huge success in Operation Desert Storm despite some US military officials having their doubts about the new design, now with the Abrams II on the field and the Abrams III on the drawing board, I believe the field test for the Abrams III will either be NK or some other Middle Eastern or North African country.

~Hunter

That's not a good reason to go to war and kill people and put the country in debt


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Can I refer to him in swear words? I will, so you might be offended.
Gooch Wanker Bitch.
Aka
George Walker Bush.
He's the fucking reason our economy's absolute crap, and the personification why the Republican Party has no clue what they're damn fucking around with in our government.

[Korashk]

There was a reason to stop them, which was preserving the union of the United States.
Not a real reason. If I don't want to be a part of your organization anymore that doesn't give you the right to murder me. Plus the same logic can be used to defend Britain's actions during the American Revolution or, as they call it, the British Civil War. The only difference is that with that conflict the side that wanted to leave won.

And yes, I WILL claim slavery was a moral reason. Slavery was a moral issue if i've ever seen one, you're forcing people that are no different from you to be your slave. If you don't think slavery is a moral problem, there is something seriously wrong with you.
I never said it wasn't. I said it wasn't a moral reason to go to war because history has shown that with the exception of the US civil War slavery can be ended without large-scale violence.

And the reason other countries got rid of their slaves so easily has nothing to do with Lincoln.
I never said it did. I was just mentioning the fact that every other developed government did it without murdering hundreds of thousands of people.

[naglfari]

Blame the south not Lincoln. Ending slavery was worth fighting for

[chrisf55]

Not a real reason. If I don't want to be a part of your organization anymore that doesn't give you the right to murder me.

We're talking about a COUNTRY here, and one of the leading countries in the world. It's different than not wanting to be a part of an organization. I don't really understand you at all, you for some reason think we were supposed to just wave and say goodbye, maybe even throw a parade, and let the south just leave the union.

[survivorguilt]

We're talking about a COUNTRY here, and one of the leading countries in the world. It's different than not wanting to be a part of an organization. I don't really understand you at all, you for some reason think we were supposed to just wave and say goodbye, maybe even throw a parade, and let the south just leave the union.

I think its also funny how he thinks state governments can withdraw from federal governments if they're tyrannical, even if the federal government is acting in such a way because state governments are stopping people from withdrawing from... slavery.

A state can leave a country, but an individual cannot leave bondage.

State > Individual > Federal gov't.

[Korashk]

We're talking about a COUNTRY here, and one of the leading countries in the world. It's different than not wanting to be a part of an organization.
How exactly is it different?

I don't really understand you at all, you for some reason think we were supposed to just wave and say goodbye, maybe even throw a parade, and let the south just leave the union.
Sure, why not? This country was literally created because of the same notion espoused by the confederacy. Secession.

I think its also funny how he thinks state governments can withdraw from federal governments if they're tyrannical, even if the federal government is acting in such a way because state governments are stopping people from withdrawing from... slavery.
Slavery was LEGAL in the north during the cilvil war.

A state can leave a country, but an individual cannot leave bondage.
So...did you miss the entire point I made where every other developed country ended slavery in a non-violent manner? EVERY MAJOR COUNTRY IN THE WORLD DID IT! EVERY SINGLE ONE!

Why did we need a war to do it? The fact is, we didn't.

[Stronk Serb]

I dunno about the presidents. All from the 1920 to today with the exception of:
Kennedies
Vudro Wilson
Robert Delano Roosvelt

[britishboy]

I domy know who's the worst but Obama is definitely the best we need him in britian:')

[naglfari]

So...did you miss the entire point I made where every other developed country ended slavery in a non-violent manner? EVERY MAJOR COUNTRY IN THE WORLD DID IT! EVERY SINGLE ONE!

Why did we need a war to do it? The fact is, we didn't. no where else did they hold onto slavery so hard. You seem to think we should've waited a hundred years for the south to decide to do it on their own

[Reanne]

I don't know enough about them, but I did meet a husband and wife 2 years ago in the States and they were very anti Obama. From what I've seen and heard he hasn't done much, but seems to be popular for some reason.

[naglfari]

I don't know enough about them, but I did meet a husband and wife 2 years ago in the States and they were very anti Obama. From what I've seen and heard he hasn't done much, but seems to be popular for some reason.

Only anti Obama people think that lol

[chrisf55]

How exactly is it different?

Sure, why not? This country was literally created because of the same notion espoused by the confederacy. Secession.

Yea, and did Great Britain let us just secede from them? No, so I don't understand what your point is here. Name one country that just LET part of it secede, just one.


Slavery was LEGAL in the north during the cilvil war.

But what percentage of people in the north had slaves? It may have been legal but few people practiced it, the border states where pretty much the only ones that did, with small exceptions.


So...did you miss the entire point I made where every other developed country ended slavery in a non-violent manner? EVERY MAJOR COUNTRY IN THE WORLD DID IT! EVERY SINGLE ONE!

Why did we need a war to do it? The fact is, we didn't.
The most noted and important reason for the civil war was slavery. The north didn't want it and the south did, so why did you say earlier that we were supposed to just let the south secede and now you're questioning why every other country ended slavery without a war and we needed one. So obviously the south wasn't going to give up slavery on it's own. I don't even understand what your point is anymore.

[Reanne]

Only anti Obama people think that lol

So what has Obama done?

I've heard a lot of people can't get a job, is that true?

All I see is someone that speaks well and that looks good, but I have no idea what things Obama has done since he's been in charge. I know there must be something.

[naglfari]

So what has Obama done?

I've heard a lot of people can't get a job, is that true?

All I see is someone that speaks well and that looks good, but I have no idea what things Obama has done since he's been in charge. I know there must be something.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/top-20-achievements-of-president-obama?s=mobile

[youthought08]

The older Bush... READ MY LIPS...NO NEW TAXES!

[pineinchneis]

Not a real reason. If I don't want to be a part of your organization anymore that doesn't give you the right to murder me. Plus the same logic can be used to defend Britain's actions during the American Revolution or, as they call it, the British Civil War. The only difference is that with that conflict the side that wanted to leave won.

i hate to break it to you but the English civil wars were 1642-6, 1648-9 and 1649-51, but generally the first one is the main one, which resulted in tho execution of kink Charles in 1649 and the establishment of the republic until the restoration of the monarchy in 1659

moving on from british history, have you all totally forgotten about Herbert Hoover? at his inauguration in march 1928, he said 'we in America have never been closer to abolishing poverty' . six months later the wall street crash occurred which led to the great depression, the worst recession in human history. his approach to dealing with the crisis was saying 'the worst is over' and 'prosperity is just around the corner' . then in summer 1932, veterans of world war one asked congress to pay out their bonuses early. congress refused and the bonus marchers, as they were known, camped in Washington by the potomac for six weeks until the anacostia flats incident, where Hoover ordered the national guard to attack the marchers with machine guns and tear gas, killing 2 and injuring over 1000. if justified his actions by saying that they were communist revolutionaries and publicly thanked god that 'the US still knows how to deal with a mob' .

[Reanne]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/top-20-achievements-of-president-obama?s=mobile

Thanks, there was more there than I knew. I wish our Prime Minister would make equal pay for men and women, after all she is a woman. She's lied multiple times and will pay the price at the next election later in the year.

[naglfari]

there's more of course. and he could've done a lot more, but the republicans in congress made it their mission to block basically everything he tries to do in order to make him look bad.

[Jevon]

George bush and his son were both pretty bad I thought

[Celtic.]

Obama and Carter

Freaking liberals spending money we dont even have. And then thinking they can win the votes of the lower and middle class by acting as Robinhood, because whoever voted for him are lazy parasites sucking and living off of the success of others. That is F-ing rediculous. "The rich dont get rich by wasting their money" When we are trillions of $ in debt we need to conserve all the money we can !

Did you know Obama is giving our enemy countries ammunition.

Now Obama wants to praise Texas as a model state for business. DUMBASS, dont you know that it is Rick Perry one of your opponents in the Presidential campaign , yes, the stupid Rick Perry who is responsible for high job creation and low unemployment. The Republican Gov. who is pro-business, pro-wealthy; creating jobs for the middle class.

Kind of makes you feel like an ass for bullying him, doesnt it ??Obama has done a fantastic job compared to Bush Jr......idk much about carter though

[drew6]

Harrison died on his 32nd day in office of complications from pneumonia. So he gave a speech when he was inaugurated out in the cold and talked for waaay too long, got sick and went to bed. The end. That's his legacy.

[naglfari]

Chrisisawesome doesn't understand basic economics

Fixing the economy is way more important than debt

[TheBigUnit]

I dunno about the presidents. All from the 1920 to today with the exception of:
Kennedies
Vudro Wilson
Robert Delano Roosvelt

Robert?? Yeah you seem to be missing quite a bit of info

Obama and Carter

Did you know Obama is giving our enemy countries ammunition.



Carter was too soft, he he had no balls what so ever
You re acting like Obamas the only pres to do that haha

[Harry Smith]

Robert?? Yeah you seem to be missing quite a bit of info



Carter was too soft, he he had no balls what so ever
You re acting like Obamas the only pres to do that haha

I was more shocked that he spelt Kennedy wrong... :(

ahah it's true, ever heard of Iran Costra. It nearly brought down the Reagan white house, they were giving anti tank guns to the Iranians in the 80's. The US has supplied most of the world with weapons so it's likely they have funded there enemies

[Camazotz]

Franklin Pierce. Because why not?

[drew6]

Franklin Pierce. Because why not?

C'mon! Ya gotta go with Hamilton! He was only in office for 32 days and was sick the whole time.

Granted, he didn't have any time to screw things up either, so a case could be made he's one of the better ones. haha.

[randomnessqueen]

too much w bush hate here.
im gonna say coolidge

[Stronk Serb]

Robert?? Yeah you seem to be missing quite a bit of info



Carter was too soft, he he had no balls what so ever
You re acting like Obamas the only pres to do that haha

As I reccall from my history class, Robert pulled you out of that economical crisis. Orcit was another Roosvelt?

[Muscleteen]

too much w bush hate here.
im gonna say coolidge
Calvin Coolidge is an interesting choice, simply because I have heard people arguing for him being one of the best President. I wouldn't put him as the best but I think that he was far from the worst. Read up on him and compare his bad points to the bad points of the others and then make a judgement - I think you'll find there were worse presidents than him, even if you disagree with shrinking government role in economy and society.

I am not a Bush fan but I would argue that it is too soon to make a coherent judgment on his presidency. The same applies to those who argue Obama is the worst; how can you possibly make a judgement if he hasn't finished yet?

Personally, I would argue for Andrew Johnson being the worst; simply because he reversed all good Lincoln did and modelled himself on Andrew Jackson who was a racist.

[randomnessqueen]

Calvin Coolidge is an interesting choice, simply because I have heard people arguing for him being one of the best President. I wouldn't put him as the best but I think that he was far from the worst. Read up on him and compare his bad points to the bad points of the others and then make a judgement - I think you'll find there were worse presidents than him, even if you disagree with shrinking government role in economy and society.

I am not a Bush fan but I would argue that it is too soon to make a coherent judgment on his presidency. The same applies to those who argue Obama is the worst; how can you possibly make a judgement if he hasn't finished yet?

Personally, I would argue for Andrew Johnson being the worst; simply because he reversed all good Lincoln did and modelled himself on Andrew Jackson who was a racist.

actually i think i could agree with andrew jackson.
coolidge is a love/hate kinda guy, depending on your view of what government should do, cause he didnt do anything.

[Muscleteen]

actually i think i could agree with andrew jackson.
coolidge is a love/hate kinda guy, depending on your view of what government should do, cause he didnt do anything.

Well, Edmund Burke would agree with you anyway:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

I still don't think that he was the worst though. If you base judgement on the fact that those who do nothing are the worst, Coolidge is still not the worst. Lower-average president in my opinion.

[randomnessqueen]

Well, Edmund Burke would agree with you anyway:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

I still don't think that he was the worst though. If you base judgement on the fact that those who do nothing are the worst, Coolidge is still not the worst. Lower-average president in my opinion.

o, i dont think coolidge is the worst, i just said that cause there was too much bush jr hate

[Muscleteen]

o, i dont think coolidge is the worst, i just said that cause there was too much bush jr hate

Fair enough. :)

[TheBigUnit]

As I reccall from my history class, Robert pulled you out of that economical crisis. Orcit was another Roosvelt?

There never was a Robert, if you dont know enough about the presidents in america i understand, but you dont have to post it here

[JoeB93772]

George W. Bush...

-Basically ignored pre-9/11 warnings that a big terrorist attack was going to happen
-Lied to the American people about weapons of mass destruction
-Plunged the country pointlessly into the war in Iraq
-His tax cuts on the rich that helped nobody but the rich
-The country went into debt under him
-No Child Left Behind created one-size-fits-all, teaching-to-the-test education

Im sorry
1. what was the pre warnings of 9/11
2. The war in Iraq was not pointless we were saving Kuwait from invasion
3.The country has gone into more debt with Obama
4. His tax cuts were on the middle class too look it up
5. How bout that Obamacare hows that workin
6. Ill agree with u that he didnt find any weapons of Mass destruction but he did take down Saddam Hussein

U made that too easy

Hey guys, I made a thread a while back about who you thought was the best US president and I was really surprised at how popular it was. So my question now is who do you think is the worse US president?

I'm going to open it up and say George W. Bush

It amazes me at how bad his presidency was- he refused to acknowledge climate change, he said that stem cell research was evil despite the fact it would save many lives and now america is many years behind in it's research.He was anti-abortion, He brought in the Patriot act which is pretty un-american. He is pretty much the typical crazy Christian from the South.

So who is the worse US president?
Why would u ever ask that question and that was a stupid thin to do
1. u dont even live in the US
2. U wouldnt even know the good things bush
4. Stem cell research is evil because would u want a baby grown in a test tube
5. How could u even consider killing a baby
6. Patriot act un american? It would take so much more time to get a warrant
7. England is not america buddy so why dont u focus on ur own country

Thanks U should try to focus more on England than the country that u have nothing to do

Obama has done a fantastic job compared to Bush Jr......idk much about carter though

Yes because Obama is better than bush
Whats that its called sarcasim

[Sogeking]

2. The war in Iraq was not pointless we were saving Kuwait from invasion

Wrong war dude.
6. Ill agree with u that he didnt find any weapons of Mass destruction but he did take down Saddam Hussein

And pretty much destabilized the country in the name of democracy.


6. Patriot act un american? It would take so much more time to get a warrant

Because restricting the rights and freedoms of Americans in the name of "fighting terrorism" sure is American all right.

[glad0s]

Abraham Lincoln
- Started an unnesessary civil war that led to the deaths of millions
- Behaved like a tyrant during his tenure as president
- Didn't end slavery or even really free slaves like so many people think, he actually didn't have a problem with the practice
- Began the era of overbearing and oppressive government

Are you kidding me?

Abraham Lincoln did not "start" the Civil War. The Civil War started when Beauregard's army (Confederate) attacked Union-occupied Fort Sumter in Charleston, South Carolina. Only then did Lincoln order volunteers to help recapture the fort, and from there the Civil War escalated further.

Behaved like a tyrant? In the midst of a civil war, people depended on the President to take action. It was his role to relinquish the conflict, and in order to do so, he had to establish himself as a leader.

Here is an excerpt from Letter to Horace Greeley, Lincoln writes: "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery." What Lincoln is saying is that his wish to preserve the Union did not have anything to do with his personal stance against slavery. Lincoln actually did not approve of slavery, as he later writes that he personally wishes "all men everywhere could be free." He just did not want his personal affairs to interfere with his political practices. Actually, his Emancipation Proclamation inspired the thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth amendments, which gave blacks freedom, citizenship, and the right to vote.

Support your claim that his presidency began the "era of overbearing and oppressive government"


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As far as worst president, I would say James Buchanan (who I'm actually related to) because of his inability to act upon Southern resistance, which actually led to the secessation of the South from the Union.

[Abyssal Echo]

Obama and Carter

[HistoricWrath]

I don't have a single worst president but I have a list. The list is in no particular order
Ulysses S. Grant (wildly corrupt administration that didn't really do anything)
Andrew Johnson (F***ed up Reconstruction beyond all recognition)
Herbert Hoover (Hello Great Depression)
James Buchanan (Basically let the South secede)
John Tyler (Political turncoat who only ran as a Whig to get elected)
Warren G Harding (More corruption)

We often focus on how badly our presidents are doing today but often forget just how piss poor many of our long past presidents were. So next time you complain about George Bush (no matter how ill advised I think that gripe is) think "At least I wasn't alive when Andrew Johnson was president"

[ksdnfkfr]

Seems based on what I have heard other people saying
it has been the last two. Seems like everyone was saying
Bush ruined this country when he was prez and I hear the
same thing about Obama.

[HistoricWrath]

dont forget he had Slaves build the white house......



Ummmm while it is true slaves HELPED build the White House it was not under Lincoln, the construction of the White House occurred under John Adams a full 63 years before Abraham Lincoln was even elected to be president.

[glad0s]

Ummmm while it is true slaves HELPED build the White House it was not under Lincoln, the construction of the White House occurred under John Adams a full 63 years before Abraham Lincoln was even elected to be president.

Bless you for recognizing this fact; I was actually about to say this.

[Harry Smith]

Why would u ever ask that question and that was a stupid thin to do
1. u dont even live in the US
2. U wouldnt even know the good things bush
4. Stem cell research is evil because would u want a baby grown in a test tube
5. How could u even consider killing a baby
6. Patriot act un american? It would take so much more time to get a warrant
7. England is not america buddy so why dont u focus on ur own country

Thanks U should try to focus more on England than the country that u have nothing to do

So I have to live in America to understand America? Despite the fact I'm studying American Politics.... you don't have to be born in America to see how bad George Bush is. He spend 46% of his first year in office on holiday-that's not good. If you whole argument depends on my geographic location then well there isn't much of one

Stem cell research is evil? Yeah it's so evil taking the cells from someone's kidney and use them to grow new organs.

Roe Vs Wade sums up my opinion on Abortion, it's not killing a baby it's terminating an unborn clum of cells. And yes Bush did have several warnings about 9/11 that's why Condi Rice had such a hard time getting vetted for SOS

What? England isn't America I never knew... also England isn't a country

[glad0s]

England isn't a country

According to Wikipedia, England is a country.

Wikipedia-England (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/England)

[CharlieHorse]

I don't like most presidents.
But Teddy Roosevelt as a person is a complete badass :P

[Harry Smith]

According to Wikipedia, England is a country.

Wikipedia-England (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/England)

The country's name is the United Kingdom of England, Wales, Scotland and Northen Ireland. England hasn't been a country since 1707. Whilst it has a geographic border and it's own culture it lacks a parliament or any right's as a sovereign state

[Cpt_Cutter]

Im sorry
1. what was the pre warnings of 9/11
2. The war in Iraq was not pointless we were saving Kuwait from invasion
3.The country has gone into more debt with Obama
4. His tax cuts were on the middle class too look it up
5. How bout that Obamacare hows that workin
6. Ill agree with u that he didnt find any weapons of Mass destruction but he did take down Saddam Hussein

U made that too easy

1. There were several warnings that a major terrorist attack was going to take place in america before the event.

2. Wrong war bro.

3. Debt doesn't stop growing when a new president takes over. Its like rolling a boulder down a very large hill and saying to Obama "Ok, stop it before it hits the bottom", when it's halfway down the hill and gaining speed. Not as easy as some would like to make out.

4. Tax cuts in general aren't a good idea when your country is losing money as badly as it was at the time (In my opinion)

5. A great idea actually, not amazingly well implemented, but a sound idea when you look at the goals.

6. That logic is terrible. Its like killing a random person on the street, then in retrospect going "Oh, we found out he was a murderer so Its OK, no foul".
They only really found out about the bad war crimes after he'd been dethroned (though I do know that most nations knew about the chem weapons use on the Kurds). I'm not saying he wasn't a douche, he was, but when you have to ret-con your reason to fight a war, it might not be the best war to fight.

Did I make it too easy?

[Korashk]

Are you kidding me?

Abraham Lincoln did not "start" the Civil War. The Civil War started when Beauregard's army (Confederate) attacked Union-occupied Fort Sumter in Charleston, South Carolina. Only then did Lincoln order volunteers to help recapture the fort, and from there the Civil War escalated further.

Behaved like a tyrant? In the midst of a civil war, people depended on the President to take action. It was his role to relinquish the conflict, and in order to do so, he had to establish himself as a leader.

Here is an excerpt from Letter to Horace Greeley, Lincoln writes: "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery." What Lincoln is saying is that his wish to preserve the Union did not have anything to do with his personal stance against slavery. Lincoln actually did not approve of slavery, as he later writes that he personally wishes "all men everywhere could be free." He just did not want his personal affairs to interfere with his political practices. Actually, his Emancipation Proclamation inspired the thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth amendments, which gave blacks freedom, citizenship, and the right to vote.

Support your claim that his presidency began the "era of overbearing and oppressive government"
I basically had a three page-long discussion about Lincoln with people in this thread 7 months ago. Most of you post is addressed there.

[Emerald Dream]

Please do not post in threads with more than two months of inactivity. :locked: