Israel army?

[levil3160]

Hi:)
I am from Israel and it interesting to me what you think about our army.
You think we have strong army?smart army?bad army?moral army?
Thank you:)

[naglfari]

I don't think we hear much about your army at all. We hear about airstrikes sometimes.

[levil3160]

I don't think we hear much about your army at all. We hear about airstrikes sometimes.

ok thank you about your answer:)
where are you from?

[naglfari]

ok thank you about your answer:)
where are you from?

The us. I'd say most people here support Israel in general but more than that we wish you and Palestine would just stop fighting

[levil3160]

It's very complicated but that is what we want, and I think most Palestinians want also/

[britishboy]

I think you have an ok army it's no superpower but you are allies with the USA and the UK so you don't really need a strong army, your protected and safe.

[Jean Poutine]

I hope Palestine wins.

Given that it's sticks and stones (and the equivalent of bottle rockets, apparently) versus tanks and GALIL rifles, I think it's fair to lend hope as their sole weapon. I will respect Israel only when it stops its apartheid-like policies and the gross human rights violations perpetrated by its armed forces.

[Hunter_Steel]

I support the IDF 100%. Its a good army, and also partly because its an army that one of my two peoples form. Since I am part Jew and Israelite, and I am part German. The Israeli army does what it does in self defense, and the Palestinians should stop bombing Israeli Civilians.

The IDF is a good, advanced, and strong Army. I don't expect anything less from an army of a very strong people. At one point I wanted to join the IDF aswell. lol

~Hunter

[Left Now]

It is strong at all,with advanced tanks and airforce,But not all mighty powers will stand forever.You've seen what Hezbollah did to your army during 33 days of war...

[TheRashad]

Just strong in physical power , but as an army you are nothing , you always fight behind shields , you can't fight with bare hands , you have internal fear from weak stones even you have tanks , and you have to remember the last real war Israel entered when they occupied sinai and they built what they named then ( the strongest shield ever made ) and the Egyptian army screwed it up in just 6 hours.
You have strong technology and weapons but you are weak

[Harry Smith]

Just strong in physical power , but as an army you are nothing , you always fight behind shields , you can't fight with bare hands , you have internal fear from weak stones even you have tanks , and you have to remember the last real war Israel entered when they occupied sinai and they built what they named then ( the strongest shield ever made ) and the Egyptian army screwed it up in just 6 hours.
You have strong technology and weapons but you are weak

I would rather have a tank than use my fights in a fight. That's that's common sense

[Magus]

Israel has a strongest air force in the region. The previous wars are anecdotal proof of that. That's all.

They are not heroes or angels from heaven.

[Left Now]

A mighty Airforce can get down by a mighty anti-air defend system,Which many countries have.

[TheBigUnit]

Just strong in physical power , but as an army you are nothing , you always fight behind shields , you can't fight with bare hands , you have internal fear from weak stones even you have tanks , and you have to remember the last real war Israel entered when they occupied sinai and they built what they named then ( the strongest shield ever made ) and the Egyptian army screwed it up in just 6 hours.
You have strong technology and weapons but you are weak

is that so?

A mighty Airforce can get down by a mighty anti-air defend system,Which many countries have.
not really if you have good logistics and planning

[Cicero]

Just strong in physical power , but as an army you are nothing , you always fight behind shields , you can't fight with bare hands , you have internal fear from weak stones even you have tanks , and you have to remember the last real war Israel entered when they occupied sinai and they built what they named then ( the strongest shield ever made ) and the Egyptian army screwed it up in just 6 hours.
You have strong technology and weapons but you are weak

Hmmmm....

Tanks, Advanced technology and weapons, strongest Air Force, yet they're still weak cause they don't use their fists? Fuck fists when you have all that.



I support Israel 110%. They are a country that the US needs to continue supporting.

[TheBigUnit]

Hmmmm....

Tanks, Advanced technology and weapons, strongest Air Force, yet they're still weak cause they don't use their fists? Fuck fists when you have all that.



I support Israel 110%. They are a country that the US needs to continue supporting.

they have shields, and dont manically with hands!!!

[Hunter_Steel]

The IAF actually has taken down many AA defense systems, while only losing 14 fighters out of the nearly 458 aircraft, and lost only 102 of their own aircraft, which wasn't even half of the airforce sent out to the that region. The egyptions lost heavy ammounts of soldiers and were only able to take back Sinai by using a surprise attack on the IDF during the middle of the night.

I tracked their military battle achievements, the IDF is either the second most powerful or the most powerful military in the Middle East. The IAF is also the world's 3rd strongest Airforce.

Where as Iran is down in the top ten.

~Hunter

//Edit: This was all done thanks to US backing with supplies, but no US soldiers participated in the battles. The IAF and the IDF are all that powerful. Mess with them, you'll come second.

[Cicero]

they have shields, and dont manically with hands!!!

What?

[Sir Suomi]

I'm with Cicero on this one. Seeing as they're backed up by the United States Military, I'd definitely not mess around with. They've got one of those most technological armed forces in the region, and they've proven their might since their waning years of independence. I've always wanted to visit Israel, I hear it is very similar to America in many aspects.

[DoodleSnap]

Well, Israeli spec ops are regarded as some of the fiercest and best special ops in the world! As for the army, I don't know enough to form an opinion.

[Southside]

I respect Israel as a country, also I respect their Army's past as being the underdog who wins against all odds. Though have a burning hate towards its policies and aggression against Palestinians. When Israel stops its aggresion and brutality towards Palestine, that's when I'll support it.

[TheBigUnit]

What?

the guys you quoted said that

[Bethany]

I don't support the IDF. After all, the IDF is responsible for the military blockade of the Gaza strip that serves as collective punishment for 1.5 million people. I don't care what the US government says about Israel - I cannot support and respect the IDF while it maintains that blockade that has left 4 out of 5 people on the Gaza strip dependent on humanitarian aid.

[Left Now]

They have to have morals too...
By the way in a moment which their tanks and advanced technological equipments are not useful,they are weak at all.
Just put them in a situation like that.

[TheBigUnit]

They have to have morals too...
By the way in a moment which their tanks and advanced technological equipments are not useful,they are weak at all.
Just put them in a situation like that.

wouldnt you say the same thing about any country too???

[Stronk Serb]

Stop the aggression against the Palestinians. Without your tanks an planes, you are nothing, just a militia.
I will start supporting Israel when it seizes it's aggression and starts helping in rebuiling of the Gaza strip.

[Left Now]

wouldnt you say the same thing about any country too???

I would but Israel is really weak without their equipments,most of world's countries' military forces are based on their powerful infantries,which are useful in all the strategical places.
I bet you have seen what Hezbollah did to Israeli tanks during the 33 days of war.
First they distract them and then they overthrew the tanks with their infantries in the mountains.
However if a country has a good infantry,other advanced military equipments can improve their army,Like what we have in China and US.

[Hunter_Steel]

The Palestinians brought it on themselves with their attacks on Israeli Civilians. I'd get pissed off aswell if someone kept bombing my civilians. So I'd respond similarly. If Israel lays its arms down, there will be no Israel as it will be wiped out.

That blockade keeps Israel safe, dropping that opens them up to attack. I don't think they're going to bring down their defenses.

Their military is stronger than it was during the 33 day war. Remember what Israel did to Egypt, Iraq and Iran during the 6 day war at Sinai? Egypt only got it back because they got a surprise attack on the Israelis. Look into their situation more before you judge them and condemn them.

~Hunter

[Stronk Serb]

The Palestinians brought it on themselves with their attacks on Israeli Civilians. I'd get pissed off aswell if someone kept bombing my civilians. So I'd respond similarly. If Israel lays its arms down, there will be no Israel as it will be wiped out.

That blockade keeps Israel safe, dropping that opens them up to attack. I don't think they're going to bring down their defenses.

Their military is stronger than it was during the 33 day war. Remember what Israel did to Egypt, Iraq and Iran during the 6 day war at Sinai? Egypt only got it back because they got a surprise attack on the Israelis. Look into their situation more before you judge them and condemn them.

~Hunter



So, you approve bombings of innocent civilians and forcing 80% of the population to live off humanitarian aid?

[Magus]

The Palestinians brought it on themselves with their attacks on Israeli Civilians.

So, basically every child, women, and elders are responsible of attacking Israeli Civilians?

It wasn't a bunch of rogue groups that has created out of frustration?

Oh! Thank you for the clarification!؟

I'd get pissed off aswell if someone kept bombing my civilians. So I'd respond similarly. If Israel lays its arms down, there will be no Israel as it will be wiped out.

If someone kept bombing my civilians, I'd bomb the person responsible, not the opposition's civilians.

This will only boosts their morale and increase the rate of their attacks.

You will make a bad strategist and a tactician.

That blockade keeps Israel safe, dropping that opens them up to attack. I don't think they're going to bring down their defenses.Attack by a bunch of misfits? Ha!

Their military is stronger than it was during the 33 day war. Remember what Israel did to Egypt, Iraq and Iran during the 6 day war at Sinai? Egypt only got it back because they got a surprise attack on the Israelis. The only thing I can concur.

Look into their situation more before you judge them and condemn them.

I judge and condemn anyone who does not bat an eye at the sight of dead children or the idea of killing and maiming children. :yes:

[CharlieHorse]

People are just so ignorant.
Seeing those headlines about more Israelis and Palestinians killed every other day makes me loose my faith in humanity.
The whole conflict started more or less because of religious means. Seeing people in this day and age fight each other because of religion is just stupid, primitive, and degrades any sort of respect humanity deserves.
The two sides are fighting over a piece of land smaller than New Jersey, and have been for decades.
Of course if you want to be technical, the British and French did have a hand in starting the conflict, but it shouldn't take that long for people to realize that nobody is going walk away without scars.
If both sides laid down arms, and just let eachother assimilate into the entire society, and if people were taught to love the other side since we are all the same, then the whole state could be called a single Democratic nation.
But that would take cooperation from EVERYONE on both sides.
Let's just hope they realize this soon. :/

[Atonement]

I would but Israel is really weak without their equipments,most of world's countries' military forces are based on their powerful infantries,which are useful in all the strategical places.
I bet you have seen what Hezbollah did to Israeli tanks during the 33 days of war.
First they distract them and then they overthrew the tanks with their infantries in the mountains.
However if a country has a good infantry,other advanced military equipments can improve their army,Like what we have in China and US.

Though infantry is ever important, saying that technology isn't the most important component of a military these days is archaic. Technology on the battlefield takes more importance everyday and the IDF, vastly financially supported by the USA, has a very technologically advanced military. Of course training and use of that technology is important, but infantry invasions aren't the trend of the modern battlefield; technology is.

[britishboy]

I would but Israel is really weak without their equipments,most of world's countries' military forces are based on their powerful infantries,which are useful in all the strategical places.
I bet you have seen what Hezbollah did to Israeli tanks during the 33 days of war.
First they distract them and then they overthrew the tanks with their infantries in the mountains.
However if a country has a good infantry,other advanced military equipments can improve their army,Like what we have in China and US.

Tec is very important but training and skill is just as important such as the SAS they are best special forces in the world by far but Americas special forces are better equipped see what mean

[Left Now]

Still infantry is important.It is the basic foundation of a military force.For example look at US army.They are technological and also can act well when they are without any other technology and just with a gun.
Israel is not like this.Its army got pampered a lot by US and other western countries and just can act well with its technology.Also technology is not available any time.
For example what can a heavy unit like tank do when it is attacked by infantries from all sides.Wants he to call an Airstrike?It will get destroyed in a moment and that Airstrike is useless at all...

[Bethany]

The Palestinians brought it on themselves with their attacks on Israeli Civilians. I'd get pissed off aswell if someone kept bombing my civilians. So I'd respond similarly. If Israel lays its arms down, there will be no Israel as it will be wiped out.

That blockade keeps Israel safe, dropping that opens them up to attack. I don't think they're going to bring down their defenses.

Their military is stronger than it was during the 33 day war. Remember what Israel did to Egypt, Iraq and Iran during the 6 day war at Sinai? Egypt only got it back because they got a surprise attack on the Israelis. Look into their situation more before you judge them and condemn them.

~Hunter

So, you believe that punishing over a million innocent people for the actions of a few (including many children and elderly people) is fine? Blocking their aid and testing how little you can feed them on without causing mass starvation...is fine?

[Life's Like This]

I am from Lebanon, and I hear the non-piloted spying airplanes of your country flying illegally over mine every single day.
As for the army, I can't judge it since I don't know it well. After all, the army is just a group of people with families, duties, jobs, pets, children, homes, relatives, and rights just like you and me.

[Stronk Serb]

Still infantry is important.It is the basic foundation of a military force.For example look at US army.They are technological and also can act well when they are without any other technology and just with a gun.
Israel is not like this.Its army got pampered a lot by US and other western countries and just can act well with its technology.Also technology is not available any time.
For example what can a heavy unit like tank do when it is attacked by infantries from all sides.Wants he to call an Airstrike?It will get destroyed in a moment and that Airstrike is useless at all...

The JNA (Yugoslav army) trolled the NATO bombers by making wooden tank models, and putting a heat source in. Results: lots of bombs wasted. I still wish that we had the latest Russian anti-air missilie systems at that time. If Milosevic hadn't helped stage a coup against Yeltsin, we would have those systems and new planes. NATO planes would steer clear of our airspace. Instead we had 5 faulty MiG-29s of which 2 were shot down, and the other cannibalized for parts in order to maintain 1 or 2 we have now. I think that parts were salvaged off the crashed ones also.

[Stronk Serb]

Though infantry is ever important, saying that technology isn't the most important component of a military these days is archaic. Technology on the battlefield takes more importance everyday and the IDF, vastly financially supported by the USA, has a very technologically advanced military. Of course training and use of that technology is important, but infantry invasions aren't the trend of the modern battlefield; technology is.

An infantry company,if properly trained and armed, can be as usdful as an armored company or batallion. With several AA missile systems attached to it, it can be probably immune to airstrikes. Israle's extensive use of tanks and planes is it's undoing.

[Hunter_Steel]

No, Israel's extensive use of tanks and planes is to prevent their small number of foot soldiers from being unnecessarily killed.

But when it comes to their foot soldiers, they are powerful aswell like they were nearly 4 thousand or more years ago when they took the promised lands. So telling me, that they are weak, is worth nothing.

At some of the comments, I have in many tactical simulations, taken out a large enemy force, with a small amount of units, with my tactics. If you think that I will make a bad commander, you are sadly mistaken.

~Hunter

[Left Now]

What are you talking about?How old is Today Israel government?They are lack of infantry power between the countries of Middle East...Even idiot soldiers of Saudi Arabia can defeat them on foot.
Also do not you remember what have Babylonian people done to you and city of Jerusalem 2300 years ago?They smashed Jews to the dust and took all of them prisoners.Also Romans defeated you on foot...
So that doesn't mean you are strong in infantry units

[Stronk Serb]

No, Israel's extensive use of tanks and planes is to prevent their small number of foot soldiers from being unnecessarily killed.

But when it comes to their foot soldiers, they are powerful aswell like they were nearly 4 thousand or more years ago when they took the promised lands. So telling me, that they are weak, is worth nothing.

At some of the comments, I have in many tactical simulations, taken out a large enemy force, with a small amount of units, with my tactics. If you think that I will make a bad commander, you are sadly mistaken.

~Hunter


Depends on what you are commanding.

[britishboy]

What are you talking about?How old is Today Israel government?They are lack of infantry power between the countries of Middle East...Even idiot soldiers of Saudi Arabia can defeat them on foot.
Also do not you remember what have Babylonian people done to you and city of Jerusalem 2300 years ago?They smashed Jews to the dust and took all of them prisoners.Also Romans defeated you on foot...
So that doesn't mean you are strong in infantry units

you do have a point as I said the SAS are the best special forces but delta force is much much better equipped.

[Left Now]

SAS is perfect!Delta Force better,but Basij something more...

[Ace of Spades]

*cough*Six Day War*cough*cough*

[Stronk Serb]

SAS is perfect!Delta Force better,but Basij something more...

Spetsnaz is the bestest.

[Hunter_Steel]

Oh yeah, Israel ganked in the 6 day war lol

[Stronk Serb]

Oh yeah, Israel ganked in the 6 day war lol


And against the Romans, against the Babylonians, against the Muslims during the Middle Ages. A lot of times the Israeli got pwned.

[StoppingTime]

And against the Romans, against the Babylonians, against the Muslims during the Middle Ages. A lot of times the Israeli got pwned.

Right because that has everything to do with their current army...

[Stronk Serb]

Right because that has everything to do with their current army...


He said that their infantry was always strong. I am just saying it is not. Their current army is too dependent on vehicles and aircraft, while infantry is not that used. Infantry is the foundation of everything in military organisation.

[TheBigUnit]

He said that their infantry was always strong. I am just saying it is not. Their current army is too dependent on vehicles and aircraft, while infantry is not that used. Infantry is the foundation of everything in military organisation.

The 6 day war I think showed quality over quantity, they were basically outnumber 10 to 1, and that too the war lasted well 6 days

[Magus]

No, Israel's extensive use of tanks and planes is to prevent their small number of foot soldiers from being unnecessarily killed.

But when it comes to their foot soldiers, they are powerful aswell like they were nearly 4 thousand or more years ago when they took the promised lands. So telling me, that they are weak, is worth nothing.

They did not look so well against a militia in the July War.

And 4000 years ago is something else than today, habibi.


At some of the comments, I have in many tactical simulations, taken out a large enemy force, with a small amount of units, with my tactics. If you think that I will make a bad commander, you are sadly mistaken.

~Hunter

In that previous "tactic", you made a very bad decision attacking the civilians. instead of the perpetrators.

And guess what happens when you block provisions and resources to civilians? More recruitment.

So, yeah. Your decisions are bad.

No amount of simulation make up for bad decisions.

[Hunter_Steel]

If your enemy is an entire country, you have as a tactical commander, one of 3 decisions.

1: destroy the country with minimum casualties amongst the civilian population, but over throwing the government, capture the country, assimilate it and remove its borders and combine them with yours.

2: Over throw the government, some casualties amongst the civilian population, maximum casualties on their military, and leave the country in ruins.

3: Completely wipe the country out. Leaving nothing.

Number 3 is the easiest but most resource intensive. A country that hides behind women, children and the elderly is not a country at all. Putting up that blockade prevents Iran from attacking them from behind if they choose to do so. So you tell me, that they should remove one of their best threat deterrents, because it costs a few civilians to be forced to live on aid?

I would, in a time like this, choose the safety of the citizens in my own country, over the safety of an enemy nation. It is the most logical course of action to take when your AT WAR. Sure, bombing civilians is wrong, but America had it's fair share in that, NATO for one had more than its fair share in bombing and massacring civilians. So in effect, this small bit that Israel is doing, is worse than what NATO did? or what the Nazis did? When the IDF massacres 6.8 million people, then I will reconsider my position. But untill then, the IDF has every right to what it is doing now, defending its country from people who would so love to destroy it.

War is a tough and harsh bitch. You cannot go through the art of war by being nice all the time. When the nice guy attitude no longer works, you get what the IDF is doing.

~Hunter

[Magus]

If your enemy is an entire country, you have as a tactical commander, one of 3 decisions.

1: destroy the country with minimum casualties amongst the civilian population, but over throwing the government, capture the country, assimilate it and remove its borders and combine them with yours.

2: Over throw the government, some casualties amongst the civilian population, maximum casualties on their military, and leave the country in ruins.

3: Completely wipe the country out. Leaving nothing.



But Israel's enemy is not an entire country. Heck, it's not even an official army.

Your argument has been rendered useless.

Number 3 is the easiest but most resource intensive.

Well, that didn't work much in the Nam war.

A country that hides behind women, children and the elderly is not a country at all.

Ha. No wonder Israel's sole casualties are children and women.

Putting up that blockade prevents Iran from attacking them from behind if they choose to do so.Iran?


So you tell me, that they should remove one of their best threat deterrents, because it costs a few civilians to be forced to live on aid?What?

I would, in a time like this, choose the safety of the citizens in my own country, over the safety of an enemy nation.

In a time like this, I would keep peace treaties and not break them.

Not only will you make a bad tactician, but a horrible diplomat too.

It is the most logical course of action to take when your AT WAR.

Yes, if you are the one who is prolonging the war for some unknown reason, beside eliminating the opposition's population.

Sure, bombing civilians is wrong, but America had it's fair share in that, NATO for one had more than its fair share in bombing and massacring civilians.

America sure hell did a lot of shit, but NATO did so in a lesser extent.

Just because some people did some stupid shit, doesn't mean you should too.

So in effect, this small bit that Israel is doing, is worse than what NATO did? or what the Nazis did?

Uh, unjustified killing of innocent people is still unjustified killing of innocent people.

Two wrongs doesn't make a right.

When the IDF massacres 6.8 million people, then I will reconsider my position.

When Palestinians population does not even exceeds that amount.

Strawmanning, aren't we?

But untill then, the IDF has every right to what it is doing now

No one has the right to kill innocent people.

defending its country from people who would so love to destroy it.

Too much love for Straw man and 'Two Wrong Makes a Right'?

War is a tough and harsh bitch.

Really? I thought it was a beautiful thing that will send you off to sugar land.

You cannot go through the art of war by being nice all the time.

Yeah, no. In this time and age, you can avoid it altogether.

When the nice guy attitude no longer works, you get what the IDF is doing.

Yep. Maiming and Killing children. IDF are true heroes of freedom and peace؟

[Hunter_Steel]

Think of it this way, a single bullet is much quicker than when it was in the ancient times when it was a sword. I don't agree with killing children, but I don't agree with a country that does suicide bombings with another country that had a peace treaty with them. And yes, it was done by a group that doesn't represent Palestine, but the Palestinians did nothing to hand the group over when told to hand it over.

So they were deemed as supporting the radical group that caused this, and thus brought this on themselves. Not only will a pacifist die on the battlefield, but in Middle Eastern policies, a pacifist has no place there. Don't like it? Their laws are different from ours. Deal with it.

~Hunter

[Stronk Serb]

If your enemy is an entire country, you have as a tactical commander, one of 3 decisions.

1: destroy the country with minimum casualties amongst the civilian population, but over throwing the government, capture the country, assimilate it and remove its borders and combine them with yours.

2: Over throw the government, some casualties amongst the civilian population, maximum casualties on their military, and leave the country in ruins.

3: Completely wipe the country out. Leaving nothing.

Number 3 is the easiest but most resource intensive. A country that hides behind women, children and the elderly is not a country at all. Putting up that blockade prevents Iran from attacking them from behind if they choose to do so. So you tell me, that they should remove one of their best threat deterrents, because it costs a few civilians to be forced to live on aid?

I would, in a time like this, choose the safety of the citizens in my own country, over the safety of an enemy nation. It is the most logical course of action to take when your AT WAR. Sure, bombing civilians is wrong, but America had it's fair share in that, NATO for one had more than its fair share in bombing and massacring civilians. So in effect, this small bit that Israel is doing, is worse than what NATO did? or what the Nazis did? When the IDF massacres 6.8 million people, then I will reconsider my position. But untill then, the IDF has every right to what it is doing now, defending its country from people who would so love to destroy it.

War is a tough and harsh bitch. You cannot go through the art of war by being nice all the time. When the nice guy attitude no longer works, you get what the IDF is doing.

~Hunter


Main Israeli casualties are women an children. You would make a terrible commander. The Palestinians wish peace, the Israeli wish peace. What you do not understand? Israeli overnmrnt could have ended those problems at least a decade ago. Your army is agressive and what it does to those people is wrong.

[Hunter_Steel]

If the Palestinians want peace, they will lay down their arms and call for a peace treaty.

~Hunter

[Left Now]

Why doesn't Israel stop its transgression?Even in 33 days of war Israel army was the transgressor not Hamas or Hezbollah.

First of all zionists must stop their attacks on Gaza Strip.

[Stronk Serb]

If the Palestinians want peace, they will lay down their arms and call for a peace treaty.

~Hunter

Why don't you lay down your arms? Just because some Palestinian paramilitaries are attackimg you, that does not mean that you should destroy the Palestinian people.

[Hunter_Steel]

If Israel lays down its arms, they will walk over Israel. If Palestine wants peace, they will stop attacking Israeli civilians and lay down their arms. Otherwise there will be no peace.

Its as simple as that, if another country started attacking my people, I wouldn't give a second thought into attacking them till they submit.

~Hunter

[Stronk Serb]

If Israel lays down its arms, they will walk over Israel. If Palestine wants peace, they will stop attacking Israeli civilians and lay down their arms. Otherwise there will be no peace.

Its as simple as that, if another country started attacking my people, I wouldn't give a second thought into attacking them till they submit.

~Hunter

Instead of targeting women and children, why don't you target and conduct attacks against the paramilitaries. You chose to hide behind your blockade like a bunch of pansies, and launch attacks against innocent civilians.

[Magus]

If Israel lays down its arms, they will walk over Israel.Laying arms and make peace treaties and work them out are two different things.


If Palestine wants peace, they will stop attacking Israeli civilians and lay down their arms.

You all ready said that these people do not represent Palestine. Are you ignorant of your own statements?

Otherwise there will be no peace.

Yeah, because killing and maiming children is fun I guess and then calling then having the nerve to call them meat shield is fun I guess.

Its as simple as that, if another country started attacking my people, I wouldn't give a second thought into attacking them till they submit.

Once again, it is not a country, it is a rogue group that acts out on its own whim and is not based on the will of the people, just goes to show how ignorant you are.

Your selfishness and lack of empathy is truly a thing of wonder.

[Hunter_Steel]

In a situation like this, empathy is not an abundant thing. Yes, they do not represent Palestine, but I am having second thoughts about that statement because the Palestine people refused to hand over or give the whereabouts of the terrorists, which leads Israel to believe they are supporting the rogue group.

Once again, it is now the country's fault. I have no empathy for those that hide terrorists, which makes them just as guilty.

Remember, the people of Palestine and Israel are guilty till proven otherwise.

~Hunter

[Left Now]

Those lands are invaded by Zionists.

[Stronk Serb]

In a situation like this, empathy is not an abundant thing. Yes, they do not represent Palestine, but I am having second thoughts about that statement because the Palestine people refused to hand over or give the whereabouts of the terrorists, which leads Israel to believe they are supporting the rogue group.

Once again, it is now the country's fault. I have no empathy for those that hide terrorists, which makes them just as guilty.

~Hunter


How can a baby be guilty? How can a woman be guilty? How can the elderly be guilty? If that is so, then every German is guilty for being a Nazi, and every Israeli is guilty of killing innocent civilians ans should be killed. Your statement is illogical. You got no proof that they are supporting the paramilitaries.

[Harry Smith]

Those lands are invaded by Zionists.

The fact that you use the word Zionists immediately makes me realize that your are simply just anti-Semitic, that is the fundamental basis of the arab hatred. It's not to do with Palestine, that's an intensifier. The Arabs simply don't want another religion at there back door. Hence why they attack first in '49 and got there asses kicked by a much smaller army.

[Left Now]

Because Israel recently founded regime was made upon the lands of Kingdom of Syria which is a prove for showing they have invaded those lands.
Didn't you read about "King Faisal"of Syria in history books?
He was the ruler of Syria,Lebonan,Palestine,Jordan after Ottoman Empire got divided.
And before the WWII,still Kingdom of Syria was the owners of those lands,and also after,before the revolt of Jew settlers.

[Harry Smith]

Because Israel recently founded regime was made upon the lands of Kingdom of Syria which is a prove for showing they have invaded those lands.
Didn't you read about "King Faisal"of Syria in history books?
He was the ruler of Syria,Lebonan,Palestine,Jordan after Ottoman Empire got divided.
And before the WWII,still Kingdom of Syria was the owners of those lands,and also after,before the revolt of Jew settlers.

No, the land belonged to the British Mandate for Palenstine. The kingdom of Syria was disbanded in the 1921

[Hunter_Steel]

Stop hiding behind women, children and elderly as a legitimate reason to hate on Israel. In the past a child has carried out a willing suicide bomber, many women in the Russian hostage situation involving drama students at a Russian theatre were strapped with bombs and the same with the men holding the teenagers hostage.

So telling me that they are killing innocent people is really not going to change my fact, with the very reason I stated above, which is why Israel is not taking any chances and just stopping a threat at its roots before it sprouts. ALSO: Kony has a child army which the UN cannot touch because of their no shooting children laws. Using children as a legitimate reason to not attack a hostile person, is not logical. Either make the children run away, or mow them down. The elderly can be just as dangerous as a young person with a weapon.

~Hunter

[Stronk Serb]

The fact that you use the word Zionists immediately makes me realize that your are simply just anti-Semitic, that is the fundamental basis of the arab hatred. It's not to do with Palestine, that's an intensifier. The Arabs simply don't want another religion at there back door. Hence why they attack first in '49 and got there asses kicked by a much smaller army.

Wow, you do not get the point. Innocent civilians are suffering because the Israeli are bombing the Gaza strip instead of chasing down the paramilitaries who are attacking the Israeli people.

[Left Now]

No, the land belonged to the British Mandate for Palenstine. The kingdom of Syria was disbanded in the 1921

It just got reformed after Britain had left those lands,and the flag of Palestine state of Kingdom was flying over the cities of Palestine,before the revolt.

I have read this part of foundation of Israel's history for just about 10 times.

[Magus]

In a situation like this, empathy is not an abundant thing.So, according to you, it's okay to murder children, because Idiot is launching some little home made grenades?

Oh, and from now one, I won't say "killing". Because killing can be accidental, but murder, semantically, is intentional.

Yes, they do not represent Palestine, but I am having second thoughts about that statement because the Palestine people refused to hand over or give the whereabouts of the terrorists, which leads Israel to believe they are supporting the rogue group.

Still doesn't justify murdering children, which IDF seems to have a knack for.

No amount of reasons justify murdering of children.

Once again, it is now the country's fault.If it is anyone's fault, it is Israel's.

I have no empathy for those that hide terrorists, which makes them just as guilty.It's not like they can call the Israel forces and tell them here is the terrorists that you are looking for, which accidentally happens to be my brother/husband/father.

Israel should reduce number of recruits and troops through other means, not increase them. But IDF head's are too stuck up in their asses.

Remember, the people of Palestine and Israel are guilty till proven otherwise.

I don't know, from what I have seen from your posts, I see this in my head: "Palestinians are dirty backward people that deserves no empathy, and death is their only options. And Israelis are holy advanced angels from the heaven that deserves no scorn for whatever shit they do to Palestinians."

Stop hiding behind women, children and elderly as a legitimate reason to hate on Israel.

Still clinging to the Meatshield argument? Didn't I mention that Israel casualties are also Women and Children? Shouldn't apply to them as well? Hiding behind women and children?

In the past a child has carried out a willing suicide bomber, many women in the Russian hostage situation involving drama students at a Russian theatre were strapped with bombs and the same with the men holding the teenagers hostage.

This is irrelevant to the current conflict.

So telling me that they are killing innocent people is really not going to change my fact, with the very reason I stated above, which is why Israel is not taking any chances and just stopping a threat at its roots before it sprouts.

So murdering children is the most ideal way to deal with it? Very brave indeed.

ALSO: Kony has a child army which the UN cannot touch because of their no shooting children laws.

What can you do after you have been taken at gun point and brainwashed?

Using children as a legitimate reason to not attack a hostile person, is not logical.

It is both illogical and unethical to murder children. There are other way around it.

Either make the children run away, or mow them down. The elderly can be just as dangerous as a young person with a weapon.

That's the sickest thing I have ever read at a teen help site.

"oh make the children run away!!! oh!"

Run away where? My ass?

Not only you turn out to be disturbed in the head, but whatever you say doesn't hold water in reality.

And before the WWII,still Kingdom of Syria was the owners of those lands,and also after,before the revolt of Jew settlers.
They sold those lands to some of the Settlers. But at this point of time, they have breached the contract they made by taking away more lands and destroying more homes.

[Left Now]

The Jews just bought the lands close to Jerusalem and other lands was taken from their owners.
They are over 1000 Palestinian families in Iran who was forced to leave their countries or they must pay for their stay on their own lands by their lives.

[Hunter_Steel]

Let me put it this way: If you were standing in my way of killing a person that is going to destroy the world, and you don't want me to shoot him because "There are other ways of dealing with this" I will first ask you to move, if you don't move, I'll shoot. Its that simple.

Sure, children are our future. But on the battlefield, morals need to be revised when it comes to getting a target, saving a whole nation, and making a few sacrifices. So telling you to turn around, walk away, and forget this whole thing is better than just shooting. So yes, if thinking in the sense of a real battlefield is sick, then I am sick.

But remember this, if you were on a battlefield with your pacifistic views, or waiting for your politicians to make peace talks while millions are dying on the frontlines, you'd have been killed 10 times over by now. A real battlefield, makes a man with high morals, do things he would rather forget he ever did for the rest of his life. (WWI, WWII, Vietnam, the Cold War, Korean War, and wars before and after that.)

Also, think that you are blaming foot soldiers for just following orders aswell.

~Hunter

[Left Now]

Dude if the whole world wanted to think like you now the 21th century was the century of destroyed Earth.Your logic is really dangerous for humankind.A soldier has to have moral but he should have mercy upon civilians.Wrath against the armed,kindness toward the unarmed.
This is my logic.

[Bethany]

Collective punishment of over a million innocent people is not right. It's a major human rights violation. If the Gaza Strip was a country, it would have one of the lowest GDPs per capita in the world because of Israel's blockade. The IDF shoots at innocent people who venture near the border, has bombed civilian targets, and has demolished the houses of innocent people on the Gaza Strip. I don't care what justification is given - the IDF is in the wrong.

And, yes, I will condemn the foot soldiers. The Nuremberg trials established that, just because you're following orders, doesn't mean you're not accountable for your actions.

[Stronk Serb]

Let me put it this way: If you were standing in my way of killing a person that is going to destroy the world, and you don't want me to shoot him because "There are other ways of dealing with this" I will first ask you to move, if you don't move, I'll shoot. Its that simple.

Sure, children are our future. But on the battlefield, morals need to be revised when it comes to getting a target, saving a whole nation, and making a few sacrifices. So telling you to turn around, walk away, and forget this whole thing is better than just shooting. So yes, if thinking in the sense of a real battlefield is sick, then I am sick.

But remember this, if you were on a battlefield with your pacifistic views, or waiting for your politicians to make peace talks while millions are dying on the frontlines, you'd have been killed 10 times over by now. A real battlefield, makes a man with high morals, do things he would rather forget he ever did for the rest of his life. (WWI, WWII, Vietnam, the Cold War, Korean War, and wars before and after that.)



Also, think that you are blaming foot soldiers for just following orders aswell.

~Hunter


So, I am to shoot children, just because they had a gun? Why not throw a flashbang or a stun grenade, to stun them, and then leave a contigent of troops to detain them. Instead they should just mow them down?

[britishboy]

So, I am to shoot children, just because they had a gun? Why not throw a flashbang or a stun grenade, to stun them, and then leave a contigent of troops to detain them. Instead they should just mow them down?

an enemy is an enemy, the child chosen to pick up the gun and poses a threat to troops. war is not ideal, soldiers don't all have flashbangs and in the time it takes to unclip it, throw it and for it to denitanate is enough time for the child to take out several troops

[Harry Smith]

Wow, you do not get the point. Innocent civilians are suffering because the Israeli are bombing the Gaza strip instead of chasing down the paramilitaries who are attacking the Israeli people.

The paramilitaries are in the Gaza strip

[Magus]

]I will first ask you to move, if you don't move, I'll shoot. Its that simple.Then you have just made yourself a new enemy, and made things a bit harder for you.

Tactician? Ha!

Sure, children are our future. But on the battlefield, morals need to be revised when it comes to getting a target, saving a whole nation, and making a few sacrifices.This doesn't apply to Israel.

So telling you to turn around, walk away, and forget this whole thing is better than just shooting.
Flash news:
The children aren't shooting.

So yes, if thinking in the sense of a real battlefield is sick, then I am sick.

Yes, it is quite evident that you are sick. You need to get yourself checked in an institution. They will provide you with help.

But remember this, if you were on a battlefield with your pacifistic views, or waiting for your politicians to make peace talks while millions are dying on the frontlines, you'd have been killed 10 times over by now.

Another straw man. Man, you really love logical fallacies.

A real battlefield, makes a man with high morals, do things he would rather forget he ever did for the rest of his life. (WWI, WWII, Vietnam, the Cold War, Korean War, and wars before and after that.)

Those are wars between nations. This is war of occupation and eradication of the Palestinians.

Also, think that you are blaming foot soldiers for just following orders as well.

Yep, we can't blame brainwashed idiots that can't think for themselves.

So, I am to shoot children, just because they had a gun? Why not throw a flashbang or a stun grenade, to stun them, and then leave a contigent of troops to detain them. Instead they should just mow them down?

Why do I have this feeling that we are made fool here by Monsieur Hunter.

[Stronk Serb]

The paramilitaries are in the Gaza strip



Why punish milions because of, maybe a dozen thousand paramilitaries?

[Left Now]

Do not you think we are going too far in blaming at each other?

[Stronk Serb]

an enemy is an enemy, the child chosen to pick up the gun and poses a threat to troops. war is not ideal, soldiers don't all have flashbangs and in the time it takes to unclip it, throw it and for it to denitanate is enough time for the child to take out several troops


Israel is well armed, they could make flashbangs standard-issue. A lot of children hesitate before they pull the trigger, more then enough time to toss a flashbang or another type of stun grenade. Since they have so technologically advanced weapons, why not make rifles with underbarrel mounted tasers or other stun weapons, like pepper pellets which make your eyes hurt as soon as they hit you?

[britishboy]

Israel is well armed, they could make flashbangs standard-issue. A lot of children hesitate before they pull the trigger, more then enough time to toss a flashbang or another type of stun grenade. Since they have so technologically advanced weapons, why not make rifles with underbarrel mounted tasers or other stun weapons, like pepper pellets which make your eyes hurt as soon as they hit you?

Israel does not have the resources to do that and no one hesitates when they have armed men in front of them, you pose a threat to soilders or the mission you should prepare to be taken out

[Stronk Serb]

Israel does not have the resources to do that and no one hesitates when they have armed men in front of them, you pose a threat to soilders or the mission you should prepare to be taken out


And how does Israel have resources to make tanks which can withstand a nuclear bomb? They are taking more of those tanks then they actually need. The rifle design is pretty simple. A AR-15 with an underslung paintball gun which is loaded with pepper pellets is pretty easy to make. Even some Israeli equivalents can be modified like that, and and be able to shoot bullets and pepper pellets at the same time.

[Harry Smith]

And how does Israel have resources to make tanks which can withstand a nuclear bomb? They are taking more of those tanks then they actually need. The rifle design is pretty simple. A AR-15 with an underslung paintball gun which is loaded with pepper pellets is pretty easy to make. Even some Israeli equivalents can be modified like that, and and be able to shoot bullets and pepper pellets at the same time.

Are you serious? you want to send in the Israeli army into a hostile region with a paintball gun. That's not going to happen in a million years...

[Stronk Serb]

Are you serious? you want to send in the Israeli army into a hostile region with a paintball gun. That's not going to happen in a million years...

A assault rifle with an underbarrel mounted paintball gun which shoots pepper pellets. What part of that is not clear? I stated that it would be able to shoot both regular bullets, and pepper pellets. The Galil and the Tavor are both easy to modify, if you can mount a grenade launcher, you can also mount a paintball gun. American made AR-15 and similar designs can be modified in a same manner.

[Left Now]

They will never do such a thing like this,They want to kill,not taking prisoners.
Also,as our friends said their army is out of mercy for even the innocent people whom they have recognized them as armed people.

[Magus]

They will never do such a thing like this,They want to kill,not taking prisoners.
Also,as our friends said their army is out of mercy for even the innocent people whom they have recognized them as armed people.

Basically anyone who doesn't support their apartheid is an enemy and an anti-semite and should be shot at sight.

It's the logic of the fools who wants to dominate and control and annihilate all oppositions by force regardless of their position.

[Jean Poutine]

Basically anyone who doesn't support their apartheid is an enemy and an anti-semite and should be shot at sight.

It's the logic of the fools who wants to dominate and control and annihilate all oppositions by force regardless of their position.

On that I will agree with you. Jews wave antisemitism around as a bloody shirt like it's going out of style. Antisemitism is a stupid term to begin with - know who else are semites? Arabs.

Who assassinated Yitzhak Rabin after he signed the Oslo Accords? An Israeli, not a Palestinian terrorist hell-bent on destroying Israel. "If Palestine stopped bombing Israel, there would be peace" my ass. There won't be peace as long as Israelis aren't tired of having their country used as target practice, and apparently they aren't since they fucking re-elected Netanyahu. I think they deserve everything that can happen to them from here on out, democracy spoke and they elected a racist, warlike regime again. Palestinians do not have that same luxury of choice, I'm sure they'd like the occupation of their country to end but nobody is as able as terrorist cells to end it because of the embargo. So which is it, Israel?

Do you know how there will be peace? When both stop at the same time.

[Left Now]

The hostility of Arabs and Jews began many years ago,maybe 2000.Because Jewish people killed a lot of them during the history.

But now they are both prejudice,the Arabs had gone far away from Islamic teachings.

Also,Zionists were always enemies of muslims in middle east and even Christians.

[tovaris]

Israel army is an aggressor a occupator and in violation of the Geneva treaty.

[TheBigUnit]

The hostility of Arabs and Jews began many years ago,maybe 2000.Because Jewish people killed a lot of them during the history.

But now they are both prejudice,the Arabs had gone far away from Islamic teachings.

Also,Zionists were always enemies of muslims in middle east and even Christians.

Why do you always use ancient history, that have no point being said, used as your primary examples???

[Left Now]

Because most of our problems of today are because of knowing about the past

[TheBigUnit]

Not the way you re stating them, you compare biblical israel with present day israel which in all honesty have no correlation

[Stronk Serb]

Not the way you re stating them, you compare biblical israel with present day israel which in all honesty have no correlation




He is stating that the conflicts arose because of the past where they killed eachother. If they lived peacefully, I doubt that shit like ths would happen.

[TheBigUnit]

He is stating that the conflicts arose because of the past where they killed eachother. If they lived peacefully, I doubt that shit like ths would happen.

You guys said it yourselves jews were relocated, and not from that area, you re stating that they are taking revenge on events ages upon ages ages which is partially correct but not the full reason

[Harry Smith]

Israel army is an aggressor a occupator and in violation of the Geneva treaty.

How are they violating the Geneva convention? Could you give me the exact clause and the specific example of when?

[tovaris]

How are they violating the Geneva convention? Could you give me the exact clause and the specific example of when?

Building settelments on ocupied ground!!

[Harry Smith]

Building settelments on ocupied ground!!

How is that breaking international law when the occupied land has no legal sovereignty hence no crime has been committed

[tovaris]

How is that breaking international law when the occupied land has no legal sovereignty hence no crime has been committed

Oh yes slaughter a people and since they „don't exist” its not a crime.

You are saiing that countries like Libanon, Siria, Jordan, Palestine don't exist...

[dingo006]

How is that breaking international law when the occupied land has no legal sovereignty hence no crime has been committed

Israel has been, for years, creating the systematic governmental removal of arabs from East Jerusalem. They use their governance of the city to destroy homes, remove people who have lived there for generations and replacing them with sprawling Jewish settlements. Israel denies them citizenship and benefits equal to jews living nearby in the same geographic area.

Israel calls these people who live in their area Israel’s legal parlance as “present absentees” without rights to their lands. They prevent families who marry from other areas of Palestine to move to Jerusalem by law. They Replacing Arabic place names with Hebrew names


Israel has often refused re-entry to Palestinian civilians who wished to return to their homes in Jerusalem. It has passed laws that allow them to confiscate the land if it is not occupied and then redistribute it to Jews through the Right of Return. Over roughly three decades, from 1967 to 1995, of 76,151 housing units built in Jerusalem, 64,867 (88%) were allocated for Jewish residents with 59% of these units built in Arab East Jerusalem as new Jewish neighborhoods.


Israel’s ethnic cleansing of Jerusalem as their “Eternal capital” violates the Fourth Geneva Convention : Articles 45, 46 & 49.

The construction of the separation barrier divides communities and confiscates mainly Palestinian land. Israel’s forced migration of populations of the Negev Bedouin and Druze. Israel’s seizure of land for military purposes and then turning it over to settlers for their own use in The West Bank is also a violation of the Geneva convention ... I could continue.

[Harry Smith]

Oh yes slaughter a people and since they „don't exist” its not a crime.

You are saiing that countries like Libanon, Siria, Jordan, Palestine don't exist...

No.... I'm saying that Palestine is not a UN recognized state and hence has no rights of sovereignty

[tovaris]

No.... I'm saying that Palestine is not a UN recognized state and hence has no rights of sovereignty

Just because some old farts dont rekognise it as a state it doesnt mean it isnt it was there long before israil, and a a state has rights like any other. Besides Palestin is not the only country Israil invaded, and on whichs teritory it is building settelments and facilitis, not to mention how they treat prisoners of war.

Israel has been, for years, creating the systematic governmental removal of arabs from East Jerusalem. They use their governance of the city to destroy homes, remove people who have lived there for generations and replacing them with sprawling Jewish settlements. Israel denies them citizenship and benefits equal to jews living nearby in the same geographic area.

Israel calls these people who live in their area Israel’s legal parlance as “present absentees” without rights to their lands. They prevent families who marry from other areas of Palestine to move to Jerusalem by law. They Replacing Arabic place names with Hebrew names


Israel has often refused re-entry to Palestinian civilians who wished to return to their homes in Jerusalem. It has passed laws that allow them to confiscate the land if it is not occupied and then redistribute it to Jews through the Right of Return. Over roughly three decades, from 1967 to 1995, of 76,151 housing units built in Jerusalem, 64,867 (88%) were allocated for Jewish residents with 59% of these units built in Arab East Jerusalem as new Jewish neighborhoods.


Israel’s ethnic cleansing of Jerusalem as their “Eternal capital” violates the Fourth Geneva Convention : Articles 45, 46 & 49.

The construction of the separation barrier divides communities and confiscates mainly Palestinian land. Israel’s forced migration of populations of the Negev Bedouin and Druze. Israel’s seizure of land for military purposes and then turning it over to settlers for their own use in The West Bank is also a violation of the Geneva convention ... I could continue.

have to agre completly

[Magical]

Eh. Scary nukes, and that's all I care about.

[Magus]

I could continue.

Please do. I wholeheartedly approve of your post. :yes:

[Harry Smith]

Just because some old farts dont rekognise it as a state it doesnt mean it isnt it was there long before israil, and a a state has rights like any other. Besides Palestin is not the only country Israil invaded, and on whichs teritory it is building settelments and facilitis, not to mention how they treat prisoners of war.



So you dismiss the UN as old farts yet you use the UN charter to accuse the Israelis of war crimes... double standards?

[tovaris]

So you dismiss the UN as old farts yet you use the UN charter to accuse the Israelis of war crimes... double standards?

Thank you der gentelmen acros, you have just proven whau a usles institution the UN is, it contridivts itself, insteh of protecting it destroies nations...

[Harry Smith]

Thank you der gentelmen acros, you have just proven whau a usles institution the UN is, it contridivts itself, insteh of protecting it destroies nations...

NO... I'm saying that you contradicted yourself by presenting two different view points, do you have any logic or grammar skills?

[Left Now]

Come on friends!

We all know that UN is not completely unaligned.It has American interests in most of the times,also Israelis war crimes are not something which can be hidden at all,so UN is forced to convict Israel by the world.

If there were not bad view for UN,it wouldn't even convict the war crimes.

[tovaris]

NO... I'm saying that you contradicted yourself by presenting two different view points, do you have any logic or grammar skills?

I feel like we are getting a little bit of topic here if you wish to continue this debate you are welcome to private masage me, send me an emai or start a new discussion, so that we do not overload this forum with a oftopic argument.

[Stronk Serb]

So you dismiss the UN as old farts yet you use the UN charter to accuse the Israelis of war crimes... double standards?



I think he meant that the UN aren't convicting the Israeli for the war crimes, while they should.

[BpOlson]

I adore your military. Standing up against every country that /s trying to kill you. Your special forces are of the few that could compete with our Navy SEALs.

[dingo006]

No.... I'm saying that Palestine is not a UN recognized state and hence has no rights of sovereignty

This is not true. The UN's recognition does not itself mean one does not have sovereignty.

For example the UN views Palestine as a non-member observer state. this means that it IS recognized by the UN as a state. It has viewed The Palestinian Authority as the sovereign power in the area of Palestine since it was admitted to the United Nations Regional Groups' Asia group on April 2, 1986. The UN also agreed in 1988 that the Palestinian territories are occupied by Israel since 1967.

Not that any of that matters. Remember that Turkish Cyprus and Taiwan do not have UN recognized sovereignty but clearly have sovereignty under international law.

So Harry, is Taiwan not a country? Does it not have the powers of sovereignty under international law?

[Magus]

I adore your military. Standing up against every country that /s trying to kill you. Your special forces are of the few that could compete with our Navy SEALs.

I would definitely put some pictures to draw some similarities between the two military, but this is a teen help site, and I adhere to the rules.

[Stronk Serb]

I adore your military. Standing up against every country that /s trying to kill you. Your special forces are of the few that could compete with our Navy SEALs.

I wonder how can you adore troops which kill innocent Palestinian civilians on purpose for, how long ? Maybe 50 years, or even more. Instead of punishing a paramilitary group, they are punishing the whole people. They made a million and a half people be dependant from international humanitarian help. How can you adore that?

[dingo006]

Israeli ministers have recently started to back law calling people who speak out lopsided against the IDF or provide libel against IDF a criminal offense.

[Stronk Serb]

Israeli ministers have recently started to back law calling people who speak out lopsided against the IDF or provide libel against IDF a criminal offense.

Explain please, I did not understand what you said there.

[dingo006]

if the government or the soldier felt that a person or a newspaper was slandering the Israeli army then they could charge you criminally for saying something publicly that they cant prove.

[britishboy]

and how does israel have resources to make tanks which can withstand a nuclear bomb? They are taking more of those tanks then they actually need. The rifle design is pretty simple. A ar-15 with an underslung paintball gun which is loaded with pepper pellets is pretty easy to make. Even some israeli equivalents can be modified like that, and and be able to shoot bullets and pepper pellets at the same time.

people die in war! Its unavoidable and why spend more money on non leathel weapons when you can just kill them? Killing them is cheaper and more reliable

[Stronk Serb]

if the government or the soldier felt that a person or a newspaper was slandering the Israeli army then they could charge you criminally for saying something publicly that they cant prove.

So, if I publicly say: IDF is an aggressor army!. I will go to jail.

people die in war! Its unavoidable and why spend more money on non leathel weapons when you can just kill them? Killing them is cheaper and more reliable

That is the most fucked up thing I heard. That sounded like a Nazi said it. Why not spend a small amount of money per rifle to make sure young children can be subdued and not killed? Instead, kill them in cold blood. So much about the "western mercifulness". I know Israel is not in the west, but it is under heavy western influence.

[britishboy]

So, if I publicly say: IDF is an aggressor army!. I will go to jail.



That is the most fucked up thing I heard. That sounded like a Nazi said it. Why not spend a small amount of money per rifle to make sure young children can be subdued and not killed. Instead, kill them in cold blood. So much about the "western mercifulness". I know Israel is not in the west, but it is under heavy western influence.

why would a bloody child be in a war zone?! and shut up about Nazis I'm British and we thought a 6 year war to get rid of them and it adds up when you have millions of soldiers! and why's shoot kids with non leathel weapons? how about tell them to leave

[Stronk Serb]

why would a bloody child be in a war zone?! and shut up about Nazis I'm British and we thought a 6 year war to get rid of them and it adds up when you have millions of soldiers! and why's shoot kids with non leathel weapons? how about tell them to leave




I dunno, you said to shoot them with lethal weapons. I said not. If they were forced to fight, subdue them, not kill them in cold blood as you stated.

[britishboy]

I dunno, you said to shoot them with lethal weapons. I said not. If they were forced to fight, subdue them, not kill them in cold blood as you stated.

anyone who threatens a soilders life or mission is a threat ans will be matched with leathel force there age or gender are not factors in the decision

[Stronk Serb]

anyone who threatens a soilders life or mission is a threat ans will be matched with leathel force there age or gender are not factors in the decision

Would you shoot a 7 year-old child which can barely hold it's PAP, a cheap Russian-made semi-auomatic rifle which is heavily outdated. Even if it shoots, high chances are that it would miss.

[britishboy]

Would you shoot a 7 year-old child which can barely hold it's PAP, a cheap Russian-made semi-auomatic rifle which is heavily outdated. Even if it shoots, high chances are that it would miss.

any chance is to much of a chance I mean it would most likely hit the soilders body armor but that would still bruise the soilder and what is the round hits the solider and dosent hit the body armor? then he is wounded and could die. anyway Israel has more important things to spend money on

[Stronk Serb]

any chance is to much of a chance I mean it would most likely hit the soilders body armor but that would still bruise the soilder and what is the round hits the solider and dosent hit the body armor? then he is wounded and could die. anyway Israel has more important things to spend money on

So, you would murder a child? Become a chikdkiller? So much about westerb nercifulness I heard so much about.

[britishboy]

So, you would murder a child? Become a chikdkiller? So much about westerb nercifulness I heard so much about.

in the western world civilians are taken as far away from harm as possible no under aged soilders are recruited what fucked up county puts any civilian in harms way?

[Stronk Serb]

in the western world civilians are taken as far away from harm as possible no under aged soilders are recruited what fucked up county puts any civilian in harms way?


I dunno. In Serbia no active military personel are younger then 18 that's for sure.

[britishboy]

I dunno. In Serbia no active military personel are younger then 18 that's for sure.

exactly most counties don't have under 15 which is the minimum under international law so no point spending millions on international law

[Stronk Serb]

exactly most counties don't have under 15 which is the minimum under international law so no point spending millions on international law

I n Serbia that minimum has been lifted up to 16 I think.

[Krash9]

if the government or the soldier felt that a person or a newspaper was slandering the Israeli army then they could charge you criminally for saying something publicly that they cant prove.

I thought u had to lie about it to be like libel ... maybe im wrong tho.

[Magus]

why would a bloody child be in a war zone?!There is no warzone in Palestine. Most of Palestine are urban sprawls.

and shut up about Nazis I'm British and we thought a 6 year war to get rid of them and it adds up when you have millions of soldiers!There are a lot of skinhead neo-nazi in Britain.

and why's shoot kids with non leathel weapons? how about tell them to leaveWhat if they don't leave? What if they are forced at gun point to return? What if they are brainwashed to a point of no return?

If you are not thinking of the possibilities, then you are not thinking at all.

in the western world civilians are taken as far away from harm as possible no under aged soilders are recruited what fucked up county puts any civilian in harms way?

What if I told you that the aggressors(IDF) are targeting civilians(Palestine and Lebanon) instead of military personnel(Hamas and Hezbollah)?

So, you would murder a child? Become a chikdkiller? So much about westerb nercifulness I heard so much about.

They have a sick fantasy to murder children, man.

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And let me put this here, as it really proves my point:

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834522bcd69e201156e36f902970c-350wi

[britishboy]

There is no warzone in Palestine. Most of Palestine are urban sprawls.

There are a lot of skinhead neo-nazi in Britain.

What if they don't leave? What if they are forced at gun point to return? What if they are brainwashed to a point of no return?

If you are not thinking of the possibilities, then you are not thinking at all.

yes there are neo Nazis in britian but they are few in number and hated by the general public and of course it is terrible killing a child but its the terrible cowardly people that send children into combat and I'm not saying don't use non leathel weapons I'm just saying they can't afford it AND NO ONE WANTS TO MURDER A CHILD! anyone who does is very very few in number and if they do will probably be serving a life sentence.

[Magus]

yes there are neo Nazis in britian but they are few in number and hated by the general publicExactly his point.

and of course it is terrible killing a child but its the terrible cowardly people that send children into combat

Yeah, and it is totally irrelevant to Palestinian case, because there aren't child soldiers.

And the only weapon they carry are some stone they found laying around.

You see, if you are carrying a stone rock, and throw it at the occupiers, you get killed. It is as simple as that.

and I'm not saying don't use non leathel weapons I'm just saying they can't afford itBeing funded every year by America, I say they can easily afford it.

AND NO ONE WANTS TO MURDER A CHILD!

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834522bcd69e201156e36f902970c-350wi

You were saying?

anyone who does is very very few in number and if they do will probably be serving a life sentence.

IDF hardly gets shit for their actions.

[britishboy]

Exactly his point.



Yeah, and it is totally irrelevant to Palestinian case, because there aren't child soldiers.

And the only weapon they carry are some stone they found laying around.

You see, if you are carrying a stone rock, and throw it at the occupiers, you get killed. It is as simple as that.

Being funded every year by America, I say they can easily afford it.




firstly do you run the country? no so how would you know if they can afford it? and I wasn't talking about kids throwing rocks I'm talking about child soilders, I dont know what your going on about Palestinian

[Left Now]

Man a lot of countries have Scout boys and Scout girls,they will learn how to use the guns to defend their countries but it doesn't mean they are soldiers.

[britishboy]

Man a lot of countries have Scout boys and Scout girls,they will learn how to use the guns to defend their countries but it doesn't mean they are soldiers.

I know I'm talking about real enrolled soilders

here's some facts abouts the soilders I'm talking about from the human rights watch dog, so you know it's real.

http:// www.hrw.org/news/2008/12/03/facts-about-child-soldiers

[Left Now]

It is real,but they are not soldiers,they are militia.Children will fight as militia if they want,there is no force.Like Basij in Iran

[britishboy]

It is real,but they are not soldiers,they are militia.Children will fight as militia if they want,there is no force.Like Basij in Iran

children should not be at risk, no civilian should be at risk that's why in ww2 all the children in London were evacuated to rural places because London would be bombed

[Left Now]

I said if they want.However,not all children are allowed to fight all the places.
They are actually 14-17 years old teenagers.

[TheBigUnit]

Would you shoot a 7 year-old child which can barely hold it's PAP, a cheap Russian-made semi-auomatic rifle which is heavily outdated. Even if it shoots, high chances are that it would miss.

Children are more often covered in C4, and brainwashed they are sent on suicide missions

[Left Now]

Hah?
Man your sources of information are all out dated.
Even racist Jihadi Terrorist won't do such a thing like this...
Go and read some about Islam,they are muslims and won't do such a thing like this,even racists!

[Twilly F. Sniper]

It is strong, Israel has a Task Force comparable to the US Marine SOCOM, good at their job. IMI makes some good weaponry. Israel has a strong and somewhat moral army, not like the US the UK, or especially RUSSIA, but still strong.

[Magus]

Children are more often covered in C4, and brainwashed they are sent on suicide missions

Assuming that some low-lifes that does not even have basic cooking ware somehow are able to produce complex chemical compounds such as C4.

Also, ever heard of Conscription?

I will make an exception to South-Korea, as it has a real and actual threat with nuclear capabilities.

It is strong, Israel has a Task Force comparable to the US Marine SOCOM, good at their job. IMI makes some good weaponry. Israel has a strong and somewhat moral army, not like the US the UK, or especially RUSSIA, but still strong.

That has to be some joke. Israel's military does not have a concept called morality. Yeah, they are good at their job, shooting women and children.

At least, at least, America punishes their soldier for some of the transgression. Like the ones in Abu Ghuraib.

But if IDF does stupid reprehensible shit, they get medals and called heroes.

But judging from your username, I am not surprised. "Seargent" - gives it an aura of credibility to your statement.

[Stronk Serb]

It is strong, Israel has a Task Force comparable to the US Marine SOCOM, good at their job. IMI makes some good weaponry. Israel has a strong and somewhat moral army, not like the US the UK, or especially RUSSIA, but still strong.




Moral? You call shooting women and children for fun moral? Then you have problems in the head, or you do not know what the ID-fucking-F does to Palestinians.

[Left Now]

If you want moral,go and see chinese army!The Red Army of PRC will fight like men!Like men not like Israeli soldiers who kill people and then call themselves braves of middle east.

[TheBigUnit]

Assuming that some low-lifes that does not even have basic cooking ware somehow are able to produce complex chemical compounds such as C4.

Also, ever heard of Conscription?

I will make an exception to South-Korea, as it has a real and actual threat with nuclear capabilitie

Yes I have,

Not necessarliy C4 but throughout the history of these conflicts there have been many bombs strapped onto children

[britishboy]

If you want moral,go and see chinese army!The Red Army of PRC will fight like men!Like men not like Israeli soldiers who kill people and then call themselves braves of middle east.

really why the red army? and all soilders kill people...

[Left Now]

Because the red army now is just for China and China is one of the most advanced countries in Asia and also it is cultural.Also they do not kill civilians,and are not aggressive.

Also,IRGC is a great sample of moral too.

[Left Now]

Yes I have,

Not necessarliy C4 but throughout the history of these conflicts there have been many bombs strapped onto children

In 1992,a jewish guy with a bomb on his chest,go through a crowd of Iranians in Shiraz international airport,he was only 10 years old,got brainwashed by his zionist mother to kill Iranians who were christian,jew,muslims,zoroastrian and....

Also,using of children as human shields began in the siege of Jerusalem by the Babylonians over 2000 years ago.They put some oil on the children and then leave them between the Babylonians,and then they would burn their enemies with sacrificing the poor orphans.

[britishboy]

Also,using of children as human shields began in the siege of Jerusalem by the Babylonians over 2000 years ago.They put some oil on the children and then leave them between the Babylonians,and then they would burn their enemies with sacrificing the poor orphans.

you should so be a history teacher you know every thing about history:p

[TheBigUnit]

Because the red army now is just for China and China is one of the most advanced countries in Asia and also it is cultural.Also they do not kill civilians,and are not aggressive.

Also,IRGC is a great sample of moral too.

I think every militarys goal is not to kill civilians

[Left Now]

So,at least they are not aggressive like Israel army..
But their army is strong!Very strong!But they are lack of morality.

[britishboy]

So,at least they are not aggressive like Israel army..
But their army is strong!Very strong!But they are lack of morality.

what China's army? yes they are very strong, theyre in the g8 and if they wanted to could easily be a superpower like the USA

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Moral? You call shooting women and children for fun moral? Then you have problems in the head, or you do not know what the ID-fucking-F does to Palestinians.

I should've said, until recently.

[Stronk Serb]

I should've said, until recently.

IDF compared to all branches of the US armed forces is a devil. The US at least give supplies to bombed people, mostly, and refrain from shooting children. The IDF does not. They and their government are like Nazis. They wish to ethnically cleanse their land and have it only for them.