Islamophobia

[TheRashad]

I am a muslim from egypt and I have heard many times about islamophobia which it is the abnormal fear of any thing related to islam
Do you think that islamophobia is a right way of thinking?
Are you islamophobic ?

[Left Now]

I am Muslim and also Islamophobia is just a method to raise the public against Muslims,and it was first started by European when they wanted to have a reason in Attacking islamic lands like,Egypt,Palestine,Iran,Iraq and ...
It is not good at all because it was a weapon against humanity and sciences like math and alchemy which their advances are linked to Islamic scholarship which got destroyed by European invasion of Islamic lands.

[Atonement]

"The fear of all things Islam" would be an extreme form of this. Many people in the West rather have a predisposition to believe that Muslims (more accurately Arabs) are counter-Western and in some cases terrorists.

Like all fear, Islamophobia is rooted in misunderstanding. Muslims are not very common in many places, therefore many fear what they do not understand. Because they lack evidence to the contrary that most Muslims support peace and are the farthest from terrorists, people continue their beliefs that Muslims are evil (or whatever they believe).

As for me, I don't know many Muslims. If I had the opportunity, I would like to know more. I don't find myself being Islamophobic because I am educated and recognize my lack of understanding as just that: lack of understanding. I know that not all Muslims are extremists. If I have any bit of Islamophobia, it is more so I am made uncomfortable with something that I see as foreign, unknown, and misunderstood. I'm not afraid as much as I am unaccustomed.

[britishboy]

I have nothing against Muslims I don't agree with some of there beliefs but I think I disagree with every religion in some sence. I can understand why some people dislike Muslims as the terrorists are 'fighting for Islam' so that makes many feel that most Muslims hate non Muslims. I personally have never meet a Muslim and I have only seen a few and in fact so I think all that most people see of Muslims is terrorism and the first Muslim I meet was broken pen:p and he's great:D

[Jean Poutine]

As with any religion, "moderate Muslims" aren't really Muslims, just as Christmas Catholics who only go to mass on that day are not really Christians.

One can't really talk of Islamophobia because the fear is not irrational, it is justified. I know the big thing these days is to promote Islam as a "religion of peace" but from the text itself, the hadiths, its history, it really isn't.

[Magus]

Islamophobia is a misnomer. There is no such thing as an Islamophobic.

[Atonement]

Islamophobia is a misnomer. There is no such thing as an Islamophobic.

Would you care to elaborate?

[Left Now]

For you maybe it doesn't exist because you are not muslim at all.

[Magus]

Would you care to elaborate?

People who opposes Islam are usually reactionary conservatives who don't want to be challenged by a new opponent and or a liberal who doesn't want the spread of more religion, especially since this religion has a strong political side.

This is observed in almost all cultures and all times since the inception of Islam. If it is a phobia, it is a pandemic.

Islam is not like your typical spiritual-with little bit of myth-religion like Buddhism and Taoism, which doesn't interfere with your regular life and that you can take whichever piece you'd like, you see.

It is a tough dogmatic religion that doesn't match with today's standards, and then it tries to force itself on the people. Even many Muslims do not agree with some of the teachings, and this caused a branching. That's why you have more than one dozen of school of thought, sects and subsects.

People who are deemed Islamophobe are its biggest critics. Critics who carefully scrutinize it. They are called so in order for Muslim to easily mark them as the enemy and shrug them off despite of everything, and thus remain in their impenetrable bubble.

The problem is, each critic has their own unique affiliation. Some are hardcore Anti-Religion Atheist, while the other are Judeo-christian fundamentalists(in most western cases in anyway).

For you maybe it doesn't exist because you are not muslim at all.

How do you know I am not Muslim? Are you Alem Al-Ghaib?

[Harry Smith]

Look at Islam's record with Homosexuality, that pretty much sums up why I'm not very pro-islam.

[Left Now]

People who opposes Islam are usually reactionary conservatives who don't want to be challenged by a new opponent and or a liberal who doesn't want the spread of more religion, especially since this religion has a strong political side.

This is observed in almost all cultures and all times since the inception of Islam. If it is a phobia, it is a pandemic.

Islam is not like your typical spiritual-with little bit of myth-religion like Buddhism and Taoism, which doesn't interfere with your regular life and that you can take whichever piece you'd like, you see.

It is a tough dogmatic religion that doesn't match with today's standards, and then it tries to force itself on the people. Even many Muslims do not agree with some of the teachings, and this caused a branching. That's why you have more than one dozen of school of thought, sects and subsects.

People who are deemed Islamophobe are its biggest critics. Critics who carefully scrutinize it. They are called so in order for Muslim to easily mark them as the enemy and shrug them off despite of everything, and thus remain in their impenetrable bubble.

The problem is, each critic has their own unique affiliation. Some are hardcore Anti-Religion Atheist, while the other are Judeo-christian fundamentalists(in most western cases in anyway).

Islam does not force people.But it has rules which if people converted to it,they have to obey.Like other things which have rules.Also,if there were something emergence,you can pass the laws of Islam as it said in Quran.

[TheRashad]

I have nothing against Muslims I don't agree with some of there beliefs but I think I disagree with every religion in some sence. I can understand why some people dislike Muslims as the terrorists are 'fighting for Islam' so that makes many feel that most Muslims hate non Muslims. I personally have never meet a Muslim and I have only seen a few and in fact so I think all that most people see of Muslims is terrorism and the first Muslim I meet was broken pen:p and he's great:D

Disagreeing with religions isn't considered a; phobia and even if you disagree with some points, I respect your opinion and I don't force you to believe in islam.
The terrorists are not fighting for islam or so but they just use a religion as a weapon to get what they want.
Muslims in general are very peaceful and they just use conservation to make you belive in islam just like prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) did with his family and friends

[Left Now]

How do you know I am not Muslim? Are you Alem Al-Ghaib?

Sorry if i made a mistake.I just wanted to say if you are a Sunni Muslim.

[TheRashad]

People who opposes Islam are usually reactionary conservatives who don't want to be challenged by a new opponent and or a liberal who doesn't want the spread of more religion, especially since this religion has a strong political side.

This is observed in almost all cultures and all times since the inception of Islam. If it is a phobia, it is a pandemic.

Islam is not like your typical spiritual-with little bit of myth-religion like Buddhism and Taoism, which doesn't interfere with your regular life and that you can take whichever piece you'd like, you see.

It is a tough dogmatic religion that doesn't match with today's standards, and then it tries to force itself on the people. Even many Muslims do not agree with some of the teachings, and this caused a branching. That's why you have more than one dozen of school of thought, sects and subsects.

People who are deemed Islamophobe are its biggest critics. Critics who carefully scrutinize it. They are called so in order for Muslim to easily mark them as the enemy and shrug them off despite of everything, and thus remain in their impenetrable bubble.

The problem is, each critic has their own unique affiliation. Some are hardcore Anti-Religion Atheist, while the other are Judeo-christian fundamentalists(in most western cases in anyway).



How do you know I am not Muslim? Are you Alem Al-Ghaib?

I think also politics play a role in this , you know when Muslims were ruling almost the whole ancient world , that because they were strong and united and now America and such countries know the real power of muslims so they always divide them by minor problems and shit.

Even if your are a musilm or not , don't say islam isn't suitable for the time we live in because it suits any time and place , if islam prohibited your freedom to wear some kind of clothes or to do sex with whoever you want ....etc, therefore your idea of freedom is to shallow.
Muslims who are annoyed of some rules of islam aren't real musilms they don't even read qura'n and they don't know thst islam is an easy religion ( e.g. if you can't fast in ramadan you can fast later or even just feed a no. Of poor poeple )
It is only a misunderstanding problem

[Magus]

Islam does not force people.
Does not force people what?

Converting? It is called Jizzyah. A heavy forced payment of tax on non-Muslims. If you are Muslim, you are exempt from it, if not, you are forced to leave otherwise your belongings are vulnerable to theft. This is beside some other stuff. Shit was tough on the Dhimmis, Ahl Al Katab. Worse for polytheists.

But it has rules which if people converted to it,they have to obey.Which are made in the early Bronze Age era in a culture wherein we do not have any connection with anymore(except this religion, and a couple of others XD).

Like other things which have rules.
Yes, like there are rules that states that there are no rules. :yes:

Also,if there were something emergence,you can pass the laws of Islam as it said in Quran.And also by whatever the prophet Muhammad has ordained. It is written in the Quran, so you don't have an argument here.

[Left Now]

Yes,as our friend said.

[britishboy]

Disagreeing with religions isn't considered a; phobia and even if you disagree with some points, I respect your opinion and I don't force you to believe in islam.
The terrorists are not fighting for islam or so but they just use a religion as a weapon to get what they want.
Muslims in general are very peaceful and they just use conservation to make you belive in islam just like prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) did with his family and friends

I hate terrorism I agree with you but believe it is racially motivated but they do beat Muslim girls just for going to school! and as I said I have never meet a Muslim but I think they are peaceful like you and broken pen:) (I'm assuming your Muslim) and some people do hate Islam because they blame you for terrorism but some people hate Jews and even the non religious like me

[TheRashad]

I hate terrorism I agree with you but believe it is racially motivated but they do beat Muslim girls just for going to school! and as I said I have never meet a Muslim but I think they are peaceful like you and broken pen:) (I'm assuming your Muslim) and some people do hate Islam because they blame you for terrorism but some people hate Jews and even the non religious like me

Yeah I am a muslim and from Egypt

We don't beat anyone to go to school and somebody do it is not religion-related.
They just hate islam becuase they see only what they want to see , they know (governments of USA and other countries) the islam is peacefull and they promote terrorism ideas and relate them to islam just to break down the islam.

[Left Now]

Beating girls for going to school is not islamic at all.It is something related to pre-Islamic Arab culture and Islam corrected it.

[britishboy]

Yeah I am a muslim and from Egypt

We don't beat anyone to go to school and somebody do it is not religion-related.
They just hate islam becuase they see only what they want to see , they know (governments of USA and other countries) the islam is peacefull and they promote terrorism ideas and relate them to islam just to break down the islam.

yeah beating girls is terrible and my country is bad to Muslims in the press, if a Muslim does something bad it's a lot bigger than a non Muslim and they say how the man was a Muslim etc but they don't do it if the criminal was a Jew or Christian however must of us Brits have no problem with Muslims

[randomnessqueen]

ofcourse its not right.
and the worst part is that its not only things related to islam, but anything someone might think is related to islam, but since people refuse to learn about it, this ends up being alot of stuff that is not related to islam.
i have a good friend who is a sikh, and so he wears a pagg, but alot of people just think he is muslim because they anything with a turban is a muslim. even though not all muslims wear turbans, though all sikhs wear a pagg.

[TheRashad]

Beating girls for going to school is not islamic at all.It is something related to pre-Islamic Arab culture and Islam corrected it.

It was related to the habit of buring girls before islam because men thought women are a shame

[Magus]

Disagreeing with religions isn't considered a; phobia and even if you disagree with some points, I respect your opinion and I don't force you to believe in islam.Exactly. Glad you have solved your own problem.

The terrorists are not fighting for islam or so but they just use a religion as a weapon to get what they want."Terrorist" are fighting for Islam. They want Islamic law to be upheld and respected, and that there should be an Islamic state. That's their agenda. No use in denying this. That's where "Islamophobia", if it is an actual thing, stem from.

Muslims in general are very peaceful
They are hardly peaceful. Most of the Muslims are bigoted, homophobic and anti-liberal, and those that are, are not really the best practitioners of Islam. And there tend to be a minority of Muslims with extremists views that tends to stick out like a sore thumb.

and they just use conservation to make you belive in islam just like prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) did with his family and friendsWhy did he waged wars and been in conquers?

Sorry if i made a mistake.I just wanted to say if you are a Sunni Muslim.I am a Salafi Twelver.

I think also politics play a role in this , you know when Muslims were ruling almost the whole ancient world , that because they were strong and unitedThat's because they have established firm military strength with religion as motivation and invaded weak trading states.

and now America and such countries know the real power of muslims so they always divide them by minor problems and shit.
America has no part in play in dividing them. Muslims create their own problems.

Do you think Shia and Sunnis killing each other in Iraq is made by America? You are then only kidding yourself.

Even if your are a musilm or not , don't say islam isn't suitable for the time we live in because it suits any time and place,

Islam isn't suited for any time and place as it claims.

if islam prohibited your freedom to wear some kind of clothes or to do sex with whoever you want ....etc, therefore your idea of freedom is to shallow.

That's one facet of freedom, is to have sex and to wear whatever the people wells. Islam doesn't provide that freedom to the people, in fact, it punishes them severely. Is that your deep(sorry, skewed) idea of freedom? Punish people on innocent and harmless things such as those?

Muslims who are annoyed of some rules of islam aren't real musilms they don't even read qura'n and they don't know thst islam is an easy religion ( e.g. if you can't fast in ramadan you can fast later or even just feed a no. Of poor poeple ) It is only a misunderstanding problem

You claim that Muslims doesn't know the rule of Islam is because they didn't read it, and that annoys them? Aren't scholars there for that?

It seems that you lack knowledge of Islam. Those people who doesn't fast Ramadan, has to fast two months consecutively (http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=3973&idto=3973&bk_no=61&ID=4032). He can feed sixty poor people, but what happens if he is unable to feed the poor as he is one himself?

It's not an easy religion, as you love to claim.

It was related to the habit of buring girls before islam because men thought women are a shame
Beating girls for going to school is not islamic at all.It is something related to pre-Islamic Arab culture and Islam corrected it.

The girl was beaten, actually, shot, because she was studying "Western" sciences.

I have never heard that beating a girl is a pre-Islamic Arab culture thing. The burying, however, I did. Another propaganda spread by your dear Seids and Muftis.

Both Arabic and Islamic cultures are, undoubtedly, patriarchal. Where beating a girl, or killing them, is a norm.

[britishboy]

It was related to the habit of buring girls before islam because men thought women are a shame

why would anyone do that? I know about sexism in history it was bad but burning girls! don't you need them foe babies?

[TheRashad]

yeah beating girls is terrible and my country is bad to Muslims in the press, if a Muslim does something bad it's a lot bigger than a non Muslim and they say how the man was a Muslim etc but they don't do it if the criminal was a Jew or Christian however must of us Brits have no problem with Muslims

As I told you before it is all about politics.in islam no difference between Christian, jew , Muslim or whatever except by good work

[Left Now]

Man it was just related to Arab of pre-Islamic era.Now it is not like this.
Also if you know anything from history Muhammad himself didn't start any war against others.Romans waged war,Al-Koffars waged war.In Muhammad era they just defend,but in Caliphs era,they conquered.So go and read about history.
Also,for Arabic Traditions toward girls,it is not a secret at all which arabs were all savages before Islam,except some of them.The Islamic culture and way for behaving with women is influenced by the Culture of Persians,as their architecture is, who respected their women.
Also about Ramadhan,if that person wasn't able to fast in another time or feed 60 poor people,there is no force for him to pay for that,go to one of your religion books.

Also about Salafi Twelver what do you mean?You mean you are Shia or salaffi?

[TheRashad]

Exactly. Glad you have solved your own problem.

"Terrorist" are fighting for Islam. They want Islamic law to be upheld and respected, and that there should be an Islamic state. That's their agenda. No use in denying this. That's where "Islamophobia", if it is an actual thing, stem from.


They are hardly peaceful. Most of the Muslims are bigoted, homophobic and anti-liberal, and those that are, are not really the best practitioners of Islam. And there tend to be a minority of Muslims with extremists views that tends to stick out like a sore thumb.

Why did he waged wars and been in conquers?

I am a Salafi Twelver.

That's because they have established firm military strength with religion as motivation and invaded weak trading states.


America has no part in play in dividing them. Muslims create their own problems.

Do you think Shia and Sunnis killing each other in Iraq is made by America? You are then only kidding yourself.



Islam isn't suited for any time and place as it claims.



That's one facet of freedom, is to have sex and to wear whatever the people wells. Islam doesn't provide that freedom to the people, in fact, it punishes them severely. Is that your deep(sorry, skewed) idea of freedom? Punish people on innocent and harmless things such as those?



You claim that Muslims doesn't know the rule of Islam is because they didn't read it, and that annoys them? Aren't scholars there for that?

It seems that you lack knowledge of Islam. Those people who doesn't fast Ramadan, has to fast two months consecutively (http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=3973&idto=3973&bk_no=61&ID=4032). He can feed sixty poor people, but what happens if he is unable to feed the poor as he is one himself?

It's not an easy religion, as you love to claim.




The girl was beaten, actually, shot, because she was studying "Western" sciences.

I have never heard that beating a girl is a pre-Islamic Arab culture thing. The burying, however, I did. Another propaganda spread by your dear Seids and Muftis.

Both Arabic and Islamic cultures are, undoubtedly, patriarchal. Where beating a girl, or killing them, is a norm.

Terrorist only fight for their selves and they don't represent any one except theirselves , just becuase they are in the image it doesn't mean that they are true.

About the homophobia : do you belive that homosexuality is a normal thing and not against the nature. The main goal for sex is to reproduce and keep the race , not to statify some stinky desires for some people.and yeah we are anti liberal if it promotes sex and drugs and homosexuality as a kind of freedom.

Freedom isn't about wearing like whores and having sex with every one without some rules. Islam protects the girl and make her wear the hijab and be away from sexual abusment and these stuff.

America have a big part in promoting muslims as terrorists while on the side America is the most country supporting terrorism to serve what they want
Many wars are made by america in syria , iraq , palastine to get there petroleum or whatever they want from them , also they have big fights with iran to stop them from making nuclear energy

I don't lack knowledge of islam and I know what you have to do when you don't fast and so and to answer your question about "what if he didn't feed 60 person " i have to say that allah is merciful and he said that in qura'an

Islam is easy but people misunderstand it read more about this and talk about it

[Harry Smith]

Terrorist only fight for their selves and they don't represent any one except theirselves , just becuase they are in the image it doesn't mean that they are true.

About the homophobia : do you belive that homosexuality is a normal thing and not against the nature. The main goal for sex is to reproduce and keep the race , not to statify some stinky desires for some people.and yeah we are anti liberal if it promotes sex and drugs and homosexuality as a kind of freedom.

Freedom isn't about wearing like whores and having sex with every one without some rules. Islam protects the girl and make her wear the hijab and be away from sexual abusment and these stuff.

America have a big part in promoting muslims as terrorists while on the side America is the most country supporting terrorism to serve what they want
Many wars are made by america in syria , iraq , palastine to get there petroleum or whatever they want from them , also they have big fights with iran to stop them from making nuclear energy

I don't lack knowledge of islam and I know what you have to do when you don't fast and so and to answer your question about "what if he didn't feed 60 person " i have to say that allah is merciful and he said that in qura'an

Islam is easy but people misunderstand it read more about this and talk about it

Prime example of why I think most Muslims are right wing Facists, you think that you have a right to discredit my sexuality because the man in the sky said that it was wrong. That's very smart...

[TheRashad]

Prime example of why I think most Muslims are right wing Facists, you think that you have a right to discredit my sexuality because the man in the sky said that it was wrong. That's very smart...

It is not about the man in the sky or something just think about right

Why was sex created ?
To keep the human race and prevent extinction
Why sex is joyful ?
It was made like that ( by god or by any thing you belif in ) to maje you want to reproduce and keep your race going
Why homosexuality is wrong ?
Sex was not invented for this purpose, man body was made to help woman in reproduction and also the body of woman. When gays or lesbians having sex , there bodies weren't made for this , it is just will destroy their bodies

Think about this before replying please :D:D:D

[Harry Smith]

It is not about the man in the sky or something just think about right

Why was sex created ?
To keep the human race and prevent extinction
Why sex is joyful ?
It was made like that ( by god or by any thing you belif in ) to maje you want to reproduce and keep your race going
Why homosexuality is wrong ?
Sex was not invented for this purpose, man body was made to help woman in reproduction and also the body of woman. When gays or lesbians having sex , there bodies weren't made for this , it is just will destroy their bodies

Think about this before replying please :D:D:D

It won't destroy my body, my animals mate anally, I can quite easily do it. The logistics are not at all an issue. Sex is joyful because of the Organs down there and the receptors in the Brain. Anyway the planet is overpopulated, there are way to many people to continue expanding.

Also do you say that it is wrong for heterosexual couples not to have kids?

Please try not to sounds stupid when you reply :D

[Left Now]

Gay is not healthy at all.Anal sex is not a suitable sex position even for men and women.Also the main thing which make you to do sexual acts is brain,brain and prostate.And it has problems if you are sensitive toward a man because they are just for sexual acts between men and women not women and women or men and men.
And it is why many people on the earth are not homosexuals.
And about the population of the earth,very soon it will decrease dramatically and then once again World needs to increase its population.

[fcoftheuk]

Of course it's not right! It's ridiculous! I havve no religion and believe that it doesn't really matter but I know that where I live (France) there are a lot of islamophobic people. The only thing I could say against islam is that they don't seem to respect women much.

[Magus]

Terrorist only fight for their selves and they don't represent any one except theirselves , just becuase they are in the image it doesn't mean that they are true.Denial. Nothing further to add.

About the homophobia : do you belive that homosexuality is a normal thing and not against the nature. The main goal for sex is to reproduce and keep the race , not to statify some stinky desires for some people.and yeah we are anti liberal if it promotes sex and drugs and homosexuality as a kind of freedom. Freedom isn't about wearing like whores and having sex with every one without some rules. Islam protects the girl and make her wear the hijab and be away from sexual abusment and these stuff.

Yes. Homosexuality is as natural as Hermaphroditism. And its causes are finally being revealed to be prenatal.

Do you seriously think homosexuality is just about buttsex? How much more shallow can you be? Also we humans are not made so binary. We have different sexuality, different gender and different sex, different ideas and different mentality. We are not carbon copies of each other.

And yes, sex is not just to reproduce. It is to provide pleasure to the person as well. It has different function, and there isn't a rule that we should stick to one function.

So, you are against homosexuality and sex? Cool. Cool. You have just shown your true face. You want people to live in a sexually repressed society. That's anti-freedom. So, stop talking about promoting freedom, when you are denying people off of their physical pleasures.

And yes, freedom is the ability to do things what ones wells without affecting someone else's freedom. In an Islamic society, all this are shunned.

If someone wants to wear like a "whore", it is their choice.

Islam and Hijab doesn't protect girls. Rape is universal, Hijab is not a shield to rapists. The only shield is the commune.

The girl doesn't need Islam or Hijab to protect her, she has her family and friends to protect her and back her up.

If she wants sex all night with twenty men, it is her wish. If she wants to look like a black tent, and be married to a man who has three other women, she has that freedom too.

America have a big part in promoting muslims as terrorists while on the side America is the most country supporting terrorism to serve what they want Muslims themselves are promoting themselves as Terrorists. No need for Americans.

Many wars are made by america in syria , iraq , palastine to get there petroleum or whatever they want from them Palestine doesn't have petroleum. Syria's main export is not Petroleum. There are hardly any oil digging operation going in Iraq now.

This ancient argument that "America wants Oil from those country" is dead. So drop it, please, before people laugh at you.

also they have big fights with iran to stop them from making nuclear energy Iran is a threat to the whole region. Not just America. XD

I don't lack knowledge of islam and I know what you have to do when you don't fast and so and to answer your question about "what if he didn't feed 60 person " i have to say that allah is merciful and he said that in qura'an Islam is easy but people misunderstand it read more about this and talk about it

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You are really funny. Seriously. At first you say you know Islam, and then how a person gets to fast, which you get it wrong, and I correct that for you, and then you tell me Allah is merciful?

That's a good argument. A very good one. Islam is not easy and it is not simple, it is a bunch of mashed up ideas, that gets multiple interpretations and gets badly misunderstood.

If it was really from Allah, I think he'd get that problem fixed.

[Jess]

Terrorist only fight for their selves and they don't represent any one except theirselves , just becuase they are in the image it doesn't mean that they are true.

About the homophobia : do you belive that homosexuality is a normal thing and not against the nature. The main goal for sex is to reproduce and keep the race , not to statify some stinky desires for some people.and yeah we are anti liberal if it promotes sex and drugs and homosexuality as a kind of freedom.

Freedom isn't about wearing like whores and having sex with every one without some rules. Islam protects the girl and make her wear the hijab and be away from sexual abusment and these stuff.

I'm pretty sure hijabs doesn't give any protection from sexual abuse or whatever. A girl can wear one and still be attacked.

Gay is not healthy at all.Anal sex is not a suitable sex position even for men and women.Also the main thing which make you to do sexual acts is brain,brain and prostate.And it has problems if you are sensitive toward a man because they are just for sexual acts between men and women not women and women or men and men.
And it is why many people on the earth are not homosexuals.
And about the population of the earth,very soon it will decrease dramatically and then once again World needs to increase its population.

How does being attracted to the same gender not make it healthy? If it has to do with reproduction, you have to count in people who can't have children (or don't want any) as well.

Why aren't a lot of people on Earth homosexuals? Because they just aren't. People can't just choose to become homosexual.

Personally, I think the Earth needs a decrease of population since it's overpopulated.

[Left Now]

Those persons who can't have are not healthy too,they have to cure themselves like many other couples in other countries.And those who do not want to have any will get unhealthy at all.Because the body of women and man will get prepared to receive or leave reproduction cells while the sex is processing.
This is the nature of sex.Also anal is not healthy at all.

[Jess]

Are you saying me not wanting to have children whatsoever makes me unhealthy? How is it UNHEALTHY (explain "unhealthy")? It's my choice whether or not I want kids (and it's actually true that I don't want children. The idea frightens me).

Oh, and on the actual subject of Islamophobia...it's definitely not right. I'm not Islamophobic and I don't believe every Muslim is a terrorist.

[Left Now]

I know but it is not what your body wants.For example you want to work a lot and do not sleep enough to effort money,but your body just need that sleep,and if you continuing to not have enough sleeping,you will get sick.Like what i am now.
About sex it is something from science.Your body needs sex and it will need to receive or release some reproduction cells,when you do not provide this for it,it will get sick.

[Emerald Dream]

This discussion has drifted too far away from the original topic, which is Islamophobia.

I understand that some of these issues are very touchy - but sex, children, and homosexuality are being discussed (and attacked) too much for this topic.

Let's get back on course, please.

[Harry Smith]

I don't even know any more, so much extremism on this site. It makes me sick that people can have such out of date views in the 21st century. It really amazes me how blind people can be to tolerence, this is the reason why I personally do not like Islam. It has good aspects yes but then you get people like Broken pen and Therashad saying such bigoted views.

The idea that your body needs sex is stupid, have you never heard of Asexuals'? if your argument was correct then asexuals' would be dead. The fact that you try and use such stupid ideas to make homosexuality seem bad makes me laugh.

So here is what I say.... I don't give a shit what your so called man in the sky tells you to do, I don't really give a shit about your views. I don't give a shit about what you think about me. I'm happy being gay, I'm happy knowing that I may not have children. I'm happy that I live in the West were I can walk down the street with my future partner, where I can sleep with and soon marry the person that I love. I'm proud of my sexuality and I don't care what you think about it

[Hunter_Steel]

Am I one of the few people here that actually know the real truth behind the "peaceful" guise if Islam?

Islam has murdered both of my people (Jew and Christian) for believing in our Christian God, the one and only true God, Christians for believing in the Holy Trinity and Jews for taking the lands flowing with milk and honey (ancient Israel) that were promised to them by God. Even now, there are Islamists going in the name of Alah who decapitated two girls for wearing shorts, tanktops and talking to guys without having a body guard around them or wearing that silly cloak the islamists force girls to wear.

Also shouting: "Alah's vengeance shall fall upon the Jews and Christians!"
It was here, on the radio news just a month ago. A killing happened of a pregnant girl of 15 a few weeks ago in South Africa.

I know two islamic girls, neither of them wear that silly little cloak. Hell, one of them wears a bikini to the beach in Dubai and the other wears leggings in London and their parents don't mind. They don't agree with the whole wearing the cloak (No, I do not give a crap for its name) thing and they don't agree with the Islamists in Iran. Both of them are the friendliest girls on the planet.

I have met other islamists that tried to convert me to Islam. I shall say to you what I said to them, no way in heaven or hell, even if Islam was the last religion on Earth will I ever join it. I'll rather die on a cross than turn to Islam. Why? Because they are so much more oppressing than the Christian Faith. Christianity atleast gives people more freedom to do and wear whatever the hell they want. The only thing required of us is that we don't murder, and we worship God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost. Thats all thats required of us.

I fornicated to use those words, and in the Islamic faith, both me and my ex would've been killed for that, in Christianity. NO. So you say its a free religion when it even forbids its women from marrying outside of Islam but allows the men to do so? Thats seriously twisted. I feel more sorry for the girls in Islam.

Now that my rant is over.

~Hunter

[TheRashad]

Denial. Nothing further to add.



Yes. Homosexuality is as natural as Hermaphroditism. And its causes are finally being revealed to be prenatal.

Do you seriously think homosexuality is just about buttsex? How much more shallow can you be? Also we humans are not made so binary. We have different sexuality, different gender and different sex, different ideas and different mentality. We are not carbon copies of each other.

And yes, sex is not just to reproduce. It is to provide pleasure to the person as well. It has different function, and there isn't a rule that we should stick to one function.

So, you are against homosexuality and sex? Cool. Cool. You have just shown your true face. You want people to live in a sexually repressed society. That's anti-freedom. So, stop talking about promoting freedom, when you are denying people off of their physical pleasures.

And yes, freedom is the ability to do things what ones wells without affecting someone else's freedom. In an Islamic society, all this are shunned.

If someone wants to wear like a "whore", it is their choice.

Islam and Hijab doesn't protect girls. Rape is universal, Hijab is not a shield to rapists. The only shield is the commune.

The girl doesn't need Islam or Hijab to protect her, she has her family and friends to protect her and back her up.

If she wants sex all night with twenty men, it is her wish. If she wants to look like a black tent, and be married to a man who has three other women, she has that freedom too.

Muslims themselves are promoting themselves as Terrorists. No need for Americans.

Palestine doesn't have petroleum. Syria's main export is not Petroleum. There are hardly any oil digging operation going in Iraq now.

This ancient argument that "America wants Oil from those country" is dead. So drop it, please, before people laugh at you.

Iran is a threat to the whole region. Not just America. XD



BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You are really funny. Seriously. At first you say you know Islam, and then how a person gets to fast, which you get it wrong, and I correct that for you, and then you tell me Allah is merciful?

That's a good argument. A very good one. Islam is not easy and it is not simple, it is a bunch of mashed up ideas, that gets multiple interpretations and gets badly misunderstood.

If it was really from Allah, I think he'd get that problem fixed.

I am against homosexuality but not sex , sex is a good thing as long it is done the right way.
Sex main function is reproduction and the other things are secondary, that doesn't mean I hate sex.
Our bodies are not made to fit homosexuality. Even many people think it is normal but it isn't normal at all. Man body is not made for anal sex and so , also the woman body isn't made for anal sex and inserting some plastic objects in her vagina. Homosexuality is only about sex and no thing is called love in homosexuality.

I was wrong about Syria and palastine and let me explain:
America wants to invade palastine not for the petroleum but to help Israel to get the aqsa masjd were they think there is a skeleton of king solmon (which was proved to be wrong)
Iran isn't a threat for any one in the region except no one himself
America wants iran to stop fertilizing uranium because they know that iran can be a great power against america.

And yeah the ancient argument is dead because America took all the oil in iraq. :(

[Jess]

Homosexuality is only about sex and no thing is called love in homosexuality.

That is completely and utterly UNTRUE.


...back on topic:

I'm thinking I don't really like Islam -- I'm okay with Muslims (not extremists) but Islam itself...eh. Doesn't really have any respect towards women and doesn't it have some rule that it's your fault if you're raped (and if you get pregnant, you should be killed for it)? -- I sincerely apologize if I'm completely wrong about that >_<

[Harry Smith]

I am against homosexuality but not sex , sex is a good thing as long it is done the right way.
Sex main function is reproduction and the other things are secondary, that doesn't mean I hate sex.
Our bodies are not made to fit homosexuality. Even many people think it is normal but it isn't normal at all. Man body is not made for anal sex and so , also the woman body isn't made for anal sex and inserting some plastic objects in her vagina. Homosexuality is only about sex and no thing is called love in homosexuality.

I was wrong about Syria and palastine and let me explain:
America wants to invade palastine not for the petroleum but to help Israel to get the aqsa masjd were they think there is a skeleton of king solmon (which was proved to be wrong)
Iran isn't a threat for any one in the region except no one himself
America wants iran to stop fertilizing uranium because they know that iran can be a great power against america.

And yeah the ancient argument is dead because America took all the oil in iraq. :(

Just in case you didn't see

I don't even know any more, so much extremism on this site. It makes me sick that people can have such out of date views in the 21st century. It really amazes me how blind people can be to tolerence, this is the reason why I personally do not like Islam. It has good aspects yes but then you get people like Broken pen and Therashad saying such bigoted views.

So here is what I say.... I don't give a shit what your so called man in the sky tells you to do, I don't really give a shit about your views. I don't give a shit about what you think about me. I'm happy being gay, I'm happy knowing that I may not have children. I'm happy that I live in the West were I can walk down the street with my future partner, where I can sleep with and soon marry the person that I love. I'm proud of my sexuality and I don't care what fuck you think about it.

[TheRashad]

Denial. Nothing further to add.



Yes. Homosexuality is as natural as Hermaphroditism. And its causes are finally being revealed to be prenatal.

Do you seriously think homosexuality is just about buttsex? How much more shallow can you be? Also we humans are not made so binary. We have different sexuality, different gender and different sex, different ideas and different mentality. We are not carbon copies of each other.

And yes, sex is not just to reproduce. It is to provide pleasure to the person as well. It has different function, and there isn't a rule that we should stick to one function.

So, you are against homosexuality and sex? Cool. Cool. You have just shown your true face. You want people to live in a sexually repressed society. That's anti-freedom. So, stop talking about promoting freedom, when you are denying people off of their physical pleasures.

And yes, freedom is the ability to do things what ones wells without affecting someone else's freedom. In an Islamic society, all this are shunned.

If someone wants to wear like a "whore", it is their choice.

Islam and Hijab doesn't protect girls. Rape is universal, Hijab is not a shield to rapists. The only shield is the commune.

The girl doesn't need Islam or Hijab to protect her, she has her family and friends to protect her and back her up.

If she wants sex all night with twenty men, it is her wish. If she wants to look like a black tent, and be married to a man who has three other women, she has that freedom too.

Muslims themselves are promoting themselves as Terrorists. No need for Americans.

Palestine doesn't have petroleum. Syria's main export is not Petroleum. There are hardly any oil digging operation going in Iraq now.

This ancient argument that "America wants Oil from those country" is dead. So drop it, please, before people laugh at you.

Iran is a threat to the whole region. Not just America. XD



BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You are really funny. Seriously. At first you say you know Islam, and then how a person gets to fast, which you get it wrong, and I correct that for you, and then you tell me Allah is merciful?

That's a good argument. A very good one. Islam is not easy and it is not simple, it is a bunch of mashed up ideas, that gets multiple interpretations and gets badly misunderstood.

If it was really from Allah, I think he'd get that problem fixed.

I am against homosexuality but not sex , sex is a good thing as long it is done the right way.
Sex main function is reproduction and the other things are secondary, that doesn't mean I hate sex.
Our bodies are not made to fit homosexuality. Even many people think it is normal but it isn't normal at all. Man body is not made for anal sex and so , also the woman body isn't made for anal sex and inserting some plastic objects in her vagina. Homosexuality is only about sex and no thing is called love in homosexuality.

I was wrong about Syria and palastine and let me explain:
America wants to invade palastine not for the petroleum but to help Israel to get the aqsa masjd were they think there is a skeleton of king solmon (which was proved to be wrong)
Iran isn't a threat for any one in the region except no one himself
America wants iran to stop fertilizing uranium because they know that iran can be a great power against america.

And yeah the ancient argument is dead because America took all the oil in iraq :(

I see you are a big islamophobic and your are criticizing islam and see it normal while when I say I am homophobic it is bad.
I didn't force you to be a muslim we are just talking.

[Harry Smith]

I am against homosexuality but not sex , sex is a good thing as long it is done the right way.
Sex main function is reproduction and the other things are secondary, that doesn't mean I hate sex.
Our bodies are not made to fit homosexuality. Even many people think it is normal but it isn't normal at all. Man body is not made for anal sex and so , also the woman body isn't made for anal sex and inserting some plastic objects in her vagina. Homosexuality is only about sex and no thing is called love in homosexuality.

I was wrong about Syria and palastine and let me explain:
America wants to invade palastine not for the petroleum but to help Israel to get the aqsa masjd were they think there is a skeleton of king solmon (which was proved to be wrong)
Iran isn't a threat for any one in the region except no one himself
America wants iran to stop fertilizing uranium because they know that iran can be a great power against america.

And yeah the ancient argument is dead because America took all the oil in iraq :(

I see you are a big islamophobic and your are criticizing islam and see it normal while when I say I am homophobic it is bad.
I didn't force you to be a muslim we are just talking.

I'm actually laughing at your pathetic and twisted views. I hope you some how find solace in life because I guarantee that 75% of the world will not like you if you sprout such crap out of your mouth

[Left Now]

17 kinds Holy books of Jews exists in the world,14 from them ordered Jews to not get back to Israel in groups and only 3 of them suggest them to come back there because that land is promised to them.Go and read the History of Ancient Palestine where Isrelis were just one of smallest groups there while Ismaeilists were more and also Polytheists of Egypt(Before Prophet Solomon).It is not just your land at all,It is Ismaeilist's and Israeilists,and Islam is one of the Ismaeilisit religions.So we have rights in that place too.Also,Jews killed a lot of Muslims before establishment of first Islamic Government and after that,they again massacred a lot of Muslims before the conquest of Muhammad and Ali in Kheybar Castle war.Also,Romans first attacked the Islamic Lands so they were transgressors and after all,during Crusades,Christians killed a lot of innocent humans and Muslims in the name of God.They didn't also show mercy for kids and women.

[Magus]

I am against homosexuality but not sex , sex is a good thing as long it is done the right way. Sex main function is reproduction and the other things are secondary, that doesn't mean I hate sex.You hate the secondary functions. XD

Our bodies are not made to fit homosexuality. Even many people think it is normal but it isn't normal at all. Man body is not made for anal sex and so , also the woman body isn't made for anal sex and inserting some plastic objects in her vagina. Homosexuality is only about sex and no thing is called love in homosexuality.

Guys, this guy thinks Homosexuality is all about anal sex and that there is no such thing as love in homosexual relationship. Do you guys concur?

I was wrong about Syria and palastine and let me explain: America wants to invade palastine not for the petroleum but to help Israel to get the aqsa masjd were they think there is a skeleton of king solmon (which was proved to be wrong) A

America only offers military hardware, as these military hardware are owned and produced by private businesses.

Iran isn't a threat for any one in the region except no one himself America wants iran to stop fertilizing uranium because they know that iran can be a great power against america.
It is a threat to the whole Arabian Peninsula.

And yeah the ancient argument is dead because America took all the oil in iraq. :(

Anyone with half a brain knows that untapped oil reserve lasts for several hundreds of years. And as I have told you, there is no oil digging operations going to America. It is being used in Iraq. :(

I, once again, proved that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

You are all, but a Doublestandard Mussie with an agenda. Either that, or you are a sock pupetting troll.
I'm actually laughing at your pathetic and twisted views. I hope you some how find solace in life because I guarantee that 75% of the world will not like you if you sprout such crap out of your mouth

And he is wondering why people are "Islamophobe", when he himself have such bigoted views that no one in this modern world would love to carry.

[ProudConservative]

Quite honestly, it's stupid. The Muslims that are bad are 2%, and they're the radical extremists. I actually feel bad for the 98% of other Muslims because they're stereotyped. It's sick, but until this terrorism thing ends, it's not going away.

[Hunter_Steel]

17 kinds Holy books of Jews exists in the world,14 from them ordered Jews to not get back to Israel in groups and only 3 of them suggest them to come back there because that land is promised to them.Go and read the History of Ancient Palestine where Isrelis were just one of smallest groups there while Ismaeilists were more and also Polytheists of Egypt(Before Prophet Solomon).It is not just your land at all,It is Ismaeilist's and Israeilists,and Islam is one of the Ismaeilisit religions.So we have rights in that place too.Also,Jews killed a lot of Muslims before establishment of first Islamic Government and after that,they again massacred a lot of Muslims before the conquest of Muhammad and Ali in Kheybar Castle war.Also,Romans first attacked the Islamic Lands so they were transgressors and after all,during Crusades,Christians killed a lot of innocent humans and Muslims in the name of God.They didn't also show mercy for kids and women.

Thats one sided. The Muslims dealt underhanded tactics in the Crusades with the Catholics to get Jerusalem back. Yes, Christians did kill women, children, and all Muslims that opposed them. And do you think back then, a Muslim going to a Christian Knight saying he'll go to hell for not believing in Alah was not going to get cut down? Your dead wrong. Life back then was a harsh and cruel bitch. Your religion brought the world's hate on itself, and now it has to deal with it. Like Christianity also brought the world's hate on itself, and now has to deal with it.

The day your society grants equal rights to everyone, is the day I will believe Islam is good. But until then, for as long as girls are stoned for fornicating, studying western science, for not wearing that cloak, and for speaking out of turn, Islam is more screwed up than Christianity. You think murdering someone for being a Christian is good? Good luck getting anywhere in life with that thinking.

And no, I don't think I will read anymore about Islam. I already know enough of it to know that it is an outdated religion and should either be purged or modernized. If you want to live in western society, update your beliefs or you'll find yourself in prison or fired from every job because of your attitude.

The world is harsh, and life is a bitch. Don't like it? Tough. Deal with it.

~Hunter

[TheRashad]

That is completely and utterly UNTRUE.


...back on topic:

I'm thinking I don't really like Islam -- I'm okay with Muslims (not extremists) but Islam itself...eh. Doesn't really have any respect towards women and doesn't it have some rule that it's your fault if you're raped (and if you get pregnant, you should be killed for it)? -- I sincerely apologize if I'm completely wrong about that >_<


I really respect your POV . I didn't force you to accept islam I am just saying (you hate islam , explain please )
Islam respects women and gave them their rights(just read about it ) and who said that it is the fault of the woman if she is raped , no it is not her fault and she won't be killed if she got pregnant.


Just in case you didn't see

I don't even know any more, so much extremism on this site. It makes me sick that people can have such out of date views in the 21st century. It really amazes me how blind people can be to tolerence, this is the reason why I personally do not like Islam. It has good aspects yes but then you get people like Broken pen and Therashad saying such bigoted views.

So here is what I say.... I don't give a shit what your so called man in the sky tells you to do, I don't really give a shit about your views. I don't give a shit about what you think about me. I'm happy being gay, I'm happy knowing that I may not have children. I'm happy that I live in the West were I can walk down the street with my future partner, where I can sleep with and soon marry the person that I love. I'm proud of my sexuality and I don't care what fuck you think about it.

I am not extremist or something , I am just saying my POV.
If you don't like islam , I wont force you to like it. You are homo , ok it is up to you , I just saying my opinion you accept it it is ok and if not we can talk and find a point of intersection between us , and from the way you talk , you are the Extremist not me :)

[Left Now]

So you are completely closed-eye my friend!Do not you see Iranian scientist who are girls working in factories,society,offices and...They are all learning Western sciences as we do(boys).Also,stoning for fornicating is not legal since 2007 in Iran and it is equal for both men and women in a punishment with get Thong hittings.
Go and research about Islam and do not tell me what you are just believing according to your own believing,If you want i can send many of articles about women as active members of society in Iran.
However Women are not forced to wear that cloak thing,They should just wear something to dress their hairs,chests and their bodies and their face can be free and also their hands.And also after age of 50 for women,they are allowed to show those parts even but just not the chest and certain places.
So you showed me how closed-eye you are if you do not want to first research about Islam and then tell me your beliefs.

Also,if a woman is raped she can perform abortion according to Islamic-Shia rules dear Jess and i think Sunni sect will allow this too,Where did you find those informations Jess?
If you have any question from Islam you can ask me anytime...


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[Apollo.]

I hate Muslims, a bunch of extremists, homophobes and its the reason terrorism is so big an issue today. Also since your bashing gays, you all smell of curry and prey to much.

[TheRashad]

Stop taking the speech seriously, guys , we are just a dozen of teens talking about something and our opinions wont change any think , so let's be a little open minded and try to accept each other .
And please lets go back to the topic

[Left Now]

First read about Islam in reliable Islamic site and then come here and tell us your opinions friends.
Also Islam is toward terrorism.

[Harry Smith]

Stop taking the speech seriously, guys , we are just a dozen of teens talking about something and our opinions wont change any think , so let's be a little open minded and try to accept each other .
And please lets go back to the topic

That's ironic since you refuse to accept Gays

[TheRashad]

I hate Muslims, a bunch of extremists, homophobes and its the reason terrorism is so big an issue today. Also since your bashing gays, you all smell of curry and prey to much.

I respect your opinion.
can you tell me what made you think that muslims are bunch of extremists and terrorists?

That's ironic since you refuse to accept Gays

I didn't say I didn't accept gays I said homosexuality isn't natural thing


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[Elysium]

I disagree with any type of prejudice or hatred towards any group of people for any reason. Hate the actions and the individuals; a few cannot represent the many.

One of my closest friends is Muslim, as is her entire family. I have nothing against Islam.

I should clarify; yes, I disagree with many principles popularly associated with Islam (terrorism, for example, is not something I condone), but I'm very much aware that it doesn't apply to all Muslims and all Islamic societies. I have nothing against all Muslims, and everyone's entitled to their opinion. If I want to promote tolerance for everyone, then I should follow my own doctrines and be tolerant of those who disagree with me.

[Harry Smith]

I didn't say I didn't accept gays I said homosexuality isn't natural thing

That's pretty much the same thing, your saying that I'm unnatural. That's not very accepting is it?

[Apollo.]

Every Muslim on this site hates gays = extremist. I didn't say that you are all terrorists I said Islam is the reason most terrorists these days give for doing their bombings and shit.

[Left Now]

Bring me a word in Quran or Hadith's which ordered muslims to kill civilians.And then i will accept your opinion about terrorism.

[Elysium]

That's pretty much the same thing, your saying that I'm unnatural. That's not very accepting is it?
To give Rashad the benefit of the doubt, it's possible to think homosexuality unnatural, but still be accepting of it. I think medicine and processed foods are unnatural, but I don't oppose them.

[TheRashad]

Every Muslim on this site hates gays = extremist. I didn't say that you are all terrorists I said Islam is the reason most terrorists these days give for doing their bombings and shit.

You are right about the terrorists who are using religion (not only islam) to serve their goals.and this is a bad thing but it doesn't mean all Muslims are terrorists

Also about extremism, if you call Muslims extremist because they are homophobic you must call your self extremist because you are islamophobic




That's pretty much the same thing, your saying that I'm unnatural. That's not very accepting is it?


Being unnatural isnt bad as long it comforts you

[Apollo.]

No because I'm not even researching your shitty religion. The majority of terrorists are Muslims its common knowledge, if I got on a plane and there was some fucker reading your god book I'd shit myself and think i was going to get blown up.

[TheRashad]

No because I'm not even researching your shitty religion. The majority of terrorists are Muslims its common knowledge, if I got on a plane and there was some fucker reading your god book I'd shit myself and think i was going to get blown up.

Most of terrorists the media concentrate on are muslims but many others aren't and belive me if you found someone reading qura'an in a plane he is not going to blow up the plane :D:D

[Left Now]

That is the logic of yours?...Pashidi Pashmak!

[Elysium]

No because I'm not even researching your shitty religion. The majority of terrorists are Muslims its common knowledge, if I got on a plane and there was some fucker reading your god book I'd shit myself and think i was going to get blown up.
That's really open-minded. Just because the majority of terrorists might be Muslim, I'm not actually sure since I've never seen any statistic to prove that claim, that doesn't make the majority of Muslims terrorists.

[TheRashad]

To give Rashad the benefit of the doubt, it's possible to think homosexuality unnatural, but still be accepting of it. I think medicine and processed foods are unnatural, but I don't oppose them.

Yeah I am with you in this point I may accept gays but i belive inside it is not natural to be a gay

[Left Now]

As i said for Apollo,Pashidi with this kind of logic you have friend.May the light of logic guide you..

[Apollo.]

That is the logic of yours?...Pashidi Pashmak!

If you shouted your little phrase in the street near me I'd dive for cover thinking you were about to blow something up.

[TheRashad]

That's really open-minded. Just because the majority of terrorists might be Muslim, I'm not actually sure since I've never seen any statistic to prove that claim, that doesn't make the majority of Muslims terrorists.

In the teachings of islam , terrorism is forbidden and we consider terrorists arent muslims

[Left Now]

Then i will laugh at you because you are acting acrobatics in the street while i just pass away from you friend.

[comical]

No because I'm not even researching your shitty religion. The majority of terrorists are Muslims its common knowledge, if I got on a plane and there was some fucker reading your god book I'd shit myself and think i was going to get blown up.

That's highly ignorant of you to say that. I noticed you're not an American, but have you not noticed; half of the latest domestic terrorists in America were Christians or Athiests. I'm sure that could be said about Scotland or any other country as well. Terrorism can't really be pinpointed on one specific race or culture. If we try to do so, it only shows our own ignorance and insecurities.

I, personally don't have Islamophobia. I couldn't hate someone or have a fear for someone because of their religious beliefs or race. Maybe it's because I'm Black, I understand how they could feel. I just think Islamophobia is another stupid media disease such as homophobia.

lol, didn't expect my first actual post to be so in depth

[Elysium]

In the teachings of islam , terrorism is forbidden and we consider terrorists arent muslims
I haven't studied Islam as in depth as I'd like to, but I never knew that. I find that interesting.

[Apollo.]

Better safe than sorry, never know what's going to happen with your lot around

[Elysium]

Better safe than sorry, never know what's going to happen with your lot around
By your logic, I'd better hide from all men, right? Since most rapists and psychopaths are men.

[Left Now]

Nice said friend.

[Apollo.]

That's highly ignorant of you to say that. I noticed you're not an American, but have you not noticed; half of the latest domestic terrorists in America were Christians or Athiests. I'm sure that could be said about Scotland or any other country as well. Terrorism can't really be pinpointed on one specific race or culture. If we try to do so, it only shows our own ignorance and insecurities.

I, personally don't have Islamophobia. I couldn't hate someone or have a fear for someone because of their religious beliefs or race. Maybe it's because I'm Black, I understand how they could feel. I just think Islamophobia is another stupid media disease such as homophobia.

lol, didn't expect my first actual post to be so in depth

You seriously cannot even begin to comprehend the immense size of the fuck I do not give.

[Left Now]

Have respect Apollo 11!

[Jess]

By your logic, I'd better hide from all men, right? Since most rapists and psychopaths are men.

Well said :yes:

[comical]

You seriously cannot even begin to comprehend the immense size of the fuck I do not give.

I understand why you wouldn't give a fuck. I think nearly everyone up here can understand why your ignorance is stopping you from doing so. Your signature itself says that "You'll never fly if you're too scared of the height." You will never live if you let ignorance like that stay in your life and blind you from the real world.

Meet an islamic person, hold a conversation with them. Base your opinion off of an actual encounter, not the media. Don't judge a book by its cover. You could at the least read the first page or two.

[Apollo.]

Have respect Apollo 11!

No, I'm sick of all the rag heads on this site talking shit about their religion and saying their is no love between gays and that it's unnatural.

[Left Now]

If i speak then,you will answer me rude because it means:"Your beliefs are respectable but not acceptable..."

[TheRashad]

No, I'm sick of all the rag heads on this site talking shit about their religion and saying their is no love between gays and that it's unnatural.

I you will continue with this rudeness just leave us and go away , we are free to talk in any topics we like if you dont like it just don't join and spam

[Harry Smith]

This is actually a fucking joke now when you've got people insulting others in another different bloody language. The bottom line for me is that I have absolutely no respect for a religion which condones homophobic behavior based on out of date ideas and the fact that a magic man in the sky told them it was wrong. Have you seen your god? Have you heard your god? Have you got any evidence of your god? NO

[Stronk Serb]

I am not afraid neccessarily. It is the deeds that define a man, not religion.

[Apollo.]

I you will continue with this rudeness just leave us and go away , we are free to talk in any topics we like if you dont like it just don't join and spam

I'm not spamming I'm pointing out my views on muslims, just cause you don't like them they wont go away. The day I sit back and let a bunch of raghead bastards call gays unnatural and tell people there is no love in homosexual relationships is the day I want to die.

[Stronk Serb]

This is actually a fucking joke now when you've got people insulting others in another different bloody language. The bottom line for me is that I have absolutely no respect for a religion which condones homophobic behavior based on out of date ideas and the fact that a magic man in the sky told them it was wrong. Have you seen your god? Have you heard your god? Have you got any evidence of your god? NO

We Christians do not have concrete evidence of our God also, just sayin'.

[Harry Smith]

To give Rashad the benefit of the doubt, it's possible to think homosexuality unnatural, but still be accepting of it. I think medicine and processed foods are unnatural, but I don't oppose them.

He stated that Gay's are not capable of love- that is opposition simple as

[Elysium]

This is actually a fucking joke now when you've got people insulting others in another different bloody language. The bottom line for me is that I have absolutely no respect for a religion which condones homophobic behavior based on out of date ideas and the fact that a magic man in the sky told them it was wrong. Have you seen your god? Have you heard your god? Have you got any evidence of your god? NO
That sounds like an argument against any number of religions, not exclusively Islam. Christianity comes to mind, for example.

Like Comrade Mike said, it's the deeds of the individual, not their religion. I too have little respect for people who think the way you're describing, though I tolerate them and allow them their opinion as long as they're not imposing it on others, but I don't associate that kind of behavior with any religion.

Also, perhaps I missed the post where he said that, but I do recall him explicitly saying that while he found homosexuality unnatural, he's still accepting of homosexuals. I apologize if I missed anything, that would be my own fault.

[Apollo.]

We Christians do not have concrete evidence of our God also, just sayin'.

Yep and that's why Christianity is a big pile of bullshit as well!

Edit: this is how I see muslims. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyfEOBnF5sQ

[Sir Suomi]

Islam surely has left it's mark on the world, whether it had been for good or for bad. I'm not going to criticize the religion, because I know my own religion(Christianity) has also had it's faults. Every religion does in today's modern society. We've just got to do as almost all of our holy texts would indicate, treat each other with love and compassion, instead of hate and cruelty.

Edit: And holy shit people calm down. Trust me, personally insulting your opponents in a debate SOLVES NOTHING. For all of you that are homosexual, and are angry at the religion of Islam, insulting them and their religion makes you look worse, and does NOTHING to help your case. And for the Muslims here, insulting the homosexuals DEFINITELY does not make your religion look the greatest. Christ guys, just get along for once.

[TheRashad]

I'm not spamming I'm pointing out my views on muslims, just cause you don't like them they wont go away. The day I sit back and let a bunch of raghead bastards call gays unnatural and tell people there is no love in homosexual relationships is the day I want to die.

Say whatever you want but don't be rude and when we talk more the chance of finding point of intersection between ideologies will appear

[Harry Smith]

We Christians do not have concrete evidence of our God also, just sayin'.

I know you don't, hence why I'm not religious because I'm not basing my whole life on some story which has no concrete evidence

I am against homosexuality but not sex , sex is a good thing as long it is done the right way.
Sex main function is reproduction and the other things are secondary, that doesn't mean I hate sex.
Our bodies are not made to fit homosexuality. Even many people think it is normal but it isn't normal at all. Man body is not made for anal sex and so , also the woman body isn't made for anal sex and inserting some plastic objects in her vagina. Homosexuality is only about sex and no thing is called love in homosexuality.
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This is what he said, does that sound accepting... not at all

[TheRashad]

We Christians do not have concrete evidence of our God also, just sayin'.

The god of Muslims , Christians and jews is the same one ,we belive in islam it is the same one and we believe in bible and jesus and moses

Islam surely has left it's mark on the world, whether it had been for good or for bad. I'm not going to criticize the religion, because I know my own religion(Christianity) has also had it's faults. Every religion does in today's modern society. We've just got to do as almost all of our holy texts would indicate, treat each other with love and compassion, instead of hate and cruelty.

Edit: And holy shit people calm down. Trust me, personally insulting your opponents in a debate SOLVES NOTHING. For all of you that are homosexual, and are angry at the religion of Islam, insulting them and their religion makes you look worse, and does NOTHING to help your case. And for the Muslims here, insulting the homosexuals DEFINITELY does not make your religion look the greatest. Christ guys, just get along for once.

Enough said *claping*

I know you don't, hence why I'm not religious because I'm not basing my whole life on some story which has no concrete evidence



This is what he said, does that sound accepting... not at all

I accept what I am comfortable with and I think also you do the same

Multiple Posts Merged. -StoppingTime

[Harry Smith]

The god of Muslims , Christians and jews is the same one ,we belive in islam it is the same one and we believe in bible and jesus and moses

Have you seen this so called God?

[TheRashad]

Have you seen this so called God?

Although we didn't see him but we see his effect , think about it , do you believe that all this fuckin huge universe has no controlling power?

Let's set a base , there is a higher power controlling this universe.

[Apollo.]

Although we didn't see him but we see his effect , think about it , do you believe that all this fuckin huge universe has no controlling power?

Let's set a base , there is a higher power controlling this universe.

Let's set an alternative base,no there isn't.

[Harry Smith]

Although we didn't see him but we see his effect , think about it , do you believe that all this fuckin huge universe has no controlling power?

Let's set a base , there is a higher power controlling this universe.

As Apollo said no... you have no evidence of your so called God do you?

[StoppingTime]

Alright look. What you're all doing now is not only straying from the original topic of the thread, but it's foolish as well. Arguing religion with people who are strongly religious, and strongly not religious will never end well. Why? Because those who believe in a god/gods/God will not usually take another's "proof" that their belief is wrong. The same goes for the other way around. Atheists/Agnostics aren't going to believe in a distinct higher power simply because a book that some hold holy says so. It's not that simple.
And in the end, nobody wins this debate (at least not on here). The atheists cannot disprove god, nor can the religious prove god. So either get back on topic or this is going to be locked.
Also, cut the name calling. Infractions will certainly be handed out if this continues.

[Sir Suomi]

Let's get back on topic here ladies and gentlemen. Our topic here is "Islamophobia", let's keep it there, instead of bashing religion, which is starting to even upset me here.

Damn Steve, you beat me to it :P

[StoppingTime]

Let's get back on topic here ladies and gentlemen. Our topic here is "Islamophobia", let's keep it there, instead of bashing religion, which is starting to even upset me here.

Let's not backseat moderate, either. ;)

[TheRashad]

www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

[Sir Suomi]

Let's not backseat moderate, either. ;)

Just doing some good 'ol vigilante justice :D

[TheRashad]

Let's get back on topic here ladies and gentlemen. Our topic here is "Islamophobia", let's keep it there, instead of bashing religion, which is starting to even upset me here.

Damn Steve, you beat me to it :P

Let's get back to the topic and here I have a question, has media played role in making you islamophobic?

[Sir Suomi]

Let's get back to the topic and here I have a question, has media played role in making you islamophobic?

To be quite honest, media has made everything look terrible. Yes, I've seen videos and pictures of Islamic Radicals killing innocent people and the soldiers trying to protect those same people. So I have became slightly biased against the region, yet not the religion of Islam. Religion is not the reason why people do such terrible things. They do it for power, and they use religion and other things for a motive and influence.

[TheRashad]

To be quite honest, media has made everything look terrible. Yes, I've seen videos and pictures of Islamic Radicals killing innocent people and the soldiers trying to protect those same people. So I have became slightly biased against the region, yet not the religion of Islam. Religion is not the reason why people do such terrible things. They do it for power, and they use religion and other things for a motive and influence.

Not only Bad Muslims use religion to do bad stuff also Israeli soldiers kill many innocent children and families to invade Palatine using a kind of religious motive

[Harry Smith]

Not only Bad Muslims use religion to do bad stuff also Israeli soldiers kill many innocent children and families to invade Palatine using a kind of religious motive

Prime example of why many western people dislike Islam, you seem to be obsessed with linking everything back to Israel, you talked about Islam for about 5 minutes then you just had to blame the Jews for something.

[Apollo.]

For me it wasn't the media, I just generally dislike all of you. Your religion and everything it stands for just pisses me off

[StoppingTime]

For me it wasn't the media, I just generally dislike all of you. Your religion and everything it stands for just pisses me off

Then you're an extremely close minded person. This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kB-5Srv05M&feature=youtu.be&t=2m14s) is extremely relavant right now.

[naglfari]

Prime example of why many western people dislike Islam, you seem to be obsessed with linking everything back to Israel, you talked about Islam for about 5 minutes then you just had to blame the Jews for something.

He's right though Israel has committed lots of war crimes. Like someone else said, religion is usually just an excuse for alot of horrible things people do. Religion reflects culture IMO. Like a third of the world or something is Muslim and nearly all of them are perfectly decent people, as much as anyone else. I wouldn't judge all Christians based on westboro either.

I think there are issues with religion where its leaders can say whatever they believe and claim its what god wants but that goes for all religions

For me it wasn't the media, I just generally dislike all of you. Your religion and everything it stands for just pisses me off

You're very bigoted


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[Apollo.]

Then you're an extremely close minded person. This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kB-5Srv05M&feature=youtu.be&t=2m14s) is extremely relavant right now.

Probably am and I don't give a fuck. Any religion that condemns homosexuality is a whole load of shit in my eyes, I dislike anyone that follows it and I dislike the religion as an entity. A religion that is constantly given as a reason for terrorism should be outlawed in my opinion.

[Harry Smith]

He's right though Israel has committed lots of war crimes. Like someone else said, religion is usually just an excuse for alot of horrible things people do. Religion reflects culture IMO. Like a third of the world or something is Muslim and nearly all of them are perfectly decent people, as much as anyone else. I wouldn't judge all Christians based on westboro either.

I think there are issues with religion where its leaders can say whatever they believe and claim its what god wants but that goes for all religions

But what the hell does Israel have to do with Islam? Why bother mentioning it? Purely because the Muslims have had it in for the Jews since they declared Independence.

[naglfari]

Probably am and I don't give a fuck. Any religion that condemns homosexuality is a whole load of shit in my eyes, I dislike anyone that follows it and I dislike the religion as an entity. A religion that is constantly given as a reason for terrorism should be outlawed in my opinion.

So do you hate Christians this much

[Apollo.]

Yeah, well not as much because there aren't people blowing each other up over christianity and Its not as full on and extreme but yeah any Christian that hates gays i hate.

[naglfari]

But what the hell does Israel have to do with Islam? Why bother mentioning it? Purely because the Muslims have had it in for the Jews since they declared Independence.

Would you feel better if he said Christians

Yeah, well not as much because there aren't people blowing each other up over christianity and Its not as full on and extreme but yeah any Christian that hates gays i hate.

Why don't you make that qualification for muslims because not every Muslim is anti gay.


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[Cicero]

Everyone i know including myself must have islmaphobia

[naglfari]

Everyone i know including myself must have islmaphobia

That's no surprise from you...

[Apollo.]

Why don't you make that qualification for muslims because not every Muslim is anti gay.

Every Muslim i have met is and that's what I'm going on, also even if they don't hate gays their views on women are usually disgusting and for other reasons I just hate them.

[naglfari]

Every Muslim i have met is and that's what I'm going on, also even if they don't hate gays their views on women are usually disgusting and for other reasons I just hate them.

Coughstereotypingcough

[Apollo.]

Coughstereotypingcough

Coughzerofucksgivencough. You really think I give a fuck? If you do, you are mistaken

[Reanne]

I think the issue is tolerance and accepting of all religions. I don't think anyone can say their religion is the only one that counts. The issue I have is some people use their religion above the law.

The world is changing and religions are slow to change and don't want to change because they want to keep control over people.

With relation to gay people, if they were to be open about being gay in an Islamic state they would be treated appallingly. If Islam isn't going to change with the world, then they will continue to have archaic rules that people outside shake their heads at. It's still a long way off for Women to be treated equally as men.

Here is something interesting that was sent to me from a friend from Jordan
https://owa.bom.gov.au/owa/attachment.ashx?id=RgAAAACczKPP3%2bXEQb9EAS4Kid4hBwB%2fSRqKcQEMTosCZuNHjAR6AeF%2 fg8b%2fAAB%2fSRqKcQEMTosCZuNHjAR6AiCxem2SAAAJ&attcnt=1&attid0=EACjul5WeEvWSZv7B2HLJVTn

[naglfari]

Coughzerofucksgivencough. You really think I give a fuck? If you do, you are mistaken

I think your as bad as any homophobe

[Apollo.]

I think your as bad as any homophobe

Possibly but I'll refer you back to my previous post, do you think i give a fuck? I dont like muslims end of

[StoppingTime]

I think your as bad as any homophobe

Yea, that. And if you've got nothing to add to this debate then replying with "I don't give a fuck" then leave.

[Cicero]

That's no surprise from you...

You don't even know me, you've only been on here for like a month

They're taught and grown to be evil, they disrespect women and abuse them

[Apollo.]

Yea, that. And if you've got nothing to add to this debate then replying with "I don't give a fuck" then leave.

Am I supposed to just sit back and allow him to insult me? I thought vt was to say how you really feel and I at that point didn't give a fuck so I told him.

[naglfari]

Am I supposed to just sit back and allow him to insult me? I thought vt was to say how you really feel and I at that point didn't give a fuck so I told him.

Ideally you'd see the errors of your ways.
I'm saying how I really feel too!

[StoppingTime]

Am I supposed to just sit back and allow him to insult me?

"He" is text on a screen. You don't know him, he doesn't know you, and likely, you never will. Why does it matter so much? He's clearly not going to change his opinions, so you sitting there and saying, "yea yea I don't give a fuck what you say dumbass" is just the same as them ignoring or not listening to your comments.


I thought vt was to say how you really feel and I at that point didn't give a fuck so I told him.

Oh please. There's a difference between civil debate and name calling.

[Ace of Spades]

You don't even know me, you've only been on here for like a month

They're taught and grown to be evil, they disrespect women and abuse them

Well aren't you a tolerant one.
You could say the EXACT same thing about Christianity and its sects.

[Cicero]

"He" is text on a screen. You don't know him, he doesn't know you, and likely, you never will. Why does it matter so much? He's clearly not going to change his opinions, so you sitting there and saying, "yea yea I don't give a fuck what you say dumbass" is just the same as them ignoring or not listening to your comments.



Oh please. There's a difference between civil debate and name calling.
He never name called anyone. He said he didn't give a fuck, thats not name calling.
Well aren't you a tolerant one.
You could say the EXACT same thing about Christianity and its sects.

Christianity doesn't abuse women. Christianity teaches love

http://i.imgur.com/RxAc1m8.jpg

[Apollo.]

Ideally you'd see the errors of your ways.
I'm saying how I really feel too!

I don't see any errors at all in how I think. Muslims are taught to hate gays, treat women like shit and the majority of terrorists give islam as an excuse I mean what is there to like?

[naglfari]

You don't even know me, you've only been on here for like a month

They're taught and grown to be evil, they disrespect women and abuse them

I know you're a homophobe and its pretty normal for your type to also be racist sexist and/or religiously intolerant

[Cicero]

I know you're a homophobe and its pretty normal for your type to also be racist sexist and/or religiously intolerant

How am I a homophobe? Give me proof where I've said that. Also, whats my type?

[StoppingTime]

He never name called anyone. He said he didn't give a fuck, thats not name calling.



Right, I forgot you could see deleted posts.. wait :rolleyes:

Anyway if you've got any more critiquing on how I moderate, do PM me. This isn't the place for that discussion

[Apollo.]

"He" is text on a screen. You don't know him, he doesn't know you, and likely, you never will. Why does it matter so much? He's clearly not going to change his opinions, so you sitting there and saying, "yea yea I don't give a fuck what you say dumbass" is just the same as them ignoring or not listening to your comments.



Oh please. There's a difference between civil debate and name calling.

Ok whatever I'll not say what I think from now on. Also text on a screen or a guy in the street ill defend myself, whether it be with a punch or a post I'm not going to sit back and get spoken to like shit from some kid.

[naglfari]

Christianity doesn't abuse women. Christianity teaches love

have you never taken a history class.what about witch hunts or demonizing women in general. The Bible recommends stoning women to death for all sorts of minor crimes

[StoppingTime]

Ok whatever I'll not say what I think from now on.

There's a difference from saying what you think and calling others names and insulting them.

Also text on a screen or a guy in the street ill defend myself, whether it be with a punch or a post I'm not going to sit back and get spoken to like shit from some kid.

Then you're just as immature as he is. You're just "some kid" too; I guess we all are to some degree. It's just really about who's mature enough to walk away from this fight and say, "You know what, they can think what they want. I can't change it, and I don't care what they think - they aren't even affecting me."

Please PM me if you'd like to continue this conversation, as this thread is not the place.

[Cicero]

have you never taken a history class.what about witch hunts or demonizing women in general. The Bible recommends stoning women to death for all sorts of minor crimes

That's the Old Testament. Things were different, it wasn't just Christians doing that but everyone. What gives you proof I'm a homophobe? Exactly, nothing.

[naglfari]

That's the Old Testament. Things were different, it wasn't just Christians doing that but everyone. What gives you proof I'm a homophobe? Exactly, nothing.

Stuff you've said so either you are out got some reason you pretend to be.

Old testament or not the church is responsible for more violence against women throughout history than basically anyone.

What we take away from religions tends to best pick and choose kind of thing, today many Christians choose to ignore a lot of the gross stuffin the Bible but the same goes for muslims.

Why does no one get that there's basically no difference between these two religions?

[Cicero]

Stuff you've said so either you are out got some reason you pretend to be.

Old testamentour not the church is responsible for more violence against women throughout history than basically anyone.

What we take away from religions tends to best pick and choose kind of thing, today many Christina choose to ignore a lot of the gross stuffin the Bible but the same goes for muslims.

Why does no one get that there's basically no difference between these two religions?

Because there is a difference. Only in your little mind do you think there is no difference.

[naglfari]

Because there is a difference. Only in your little mind do you think there is no difference.

Do you really think there aren't Christian countries where women are horribly abused in the name if religious views

[StoppingTime]

Clearly none of you are able to actually maintain the topic of this thread, which was "Islamaphobia." Now, you're all arguing about the Old Testament, homophobia, and personal quarrels. These can either be taken to PMs, or new threads may be started. But this has drifted so far off topic there's simply to reason to keep it open anymore. :locked: