Death to capitalisem fredom to the world

[tovaris]

Evry time i take the No. 14 bus to school I see this grafity on a wall, and i think how completly corect i couldent age mor.

What do you think of this?
Corect or incorect or partly corect... ?

[Sugaree]

You certainly know what you're talking about. Kid, do you even know what capitalism is? Or how it's practiced?

[Twilly F. Sniper]

This is absolutely irrelevant. But I do agree- Graffiti is bad.

[TheBigUnit]

Considering that, that area was under the iron curtain and all the tense political disasters there haha

[Korashk]

Evry time i take the No. 14 bus to school I see this grafity on a wall, and i think how completly corect i couldent age mor.

What do you think of this?
Corect or incorect or partly corect... ?
Completely incorrect. You can't have freedom without capitalism. It's the only economic system that keeps people free.

[Left Now]

It is correct...A time the balance between the lower classes and higher classes must be done..Capitalism will prevent it and won't let the people to be free at all.It will make wealthier people wealthier and lower class people lower...Maybe your countries are still in a good time of capitalism but a day the distance between poor and wealthy will become very much...Communism is bad too and it won't work...We have to have some wealthy people at all because they will help the economy but we have to limit them and use the money to help lower classes.Earning more money by wealthier people will make other classes earn not enough money..So it must be a balance between them...

[Stronk Serb]

Completely incorrect. You can't have freedom without capitalism. It's the only economic system that keeps people free.



Incorrect. While Yugoslavia aas a communist country, it was not in the Warsaw pact, nor NATO, still, despite being communist, the Yugoslavs enjoyed far more freedom then US citizens. You could go everywhere, the Soviet Union, the United States, you did not need a visa for almost every country in the wprld. Yugoslavian citizens had also far more freedom then US citizens. Stalinist regime supporters were sent to prison, there was private industry, my great grandfather partially owned a furniture factory, they exported furniture to both Eastern and Western bloc countries. Now the facory is in ruin, after communism passed, and th civil war where Serbia was closed off, the factory shut down.

[naglfari]

regulated capitalism is where its at. full free market capitalism just leads to a concentration of wealth at the top but when government keeps capitalism under control it's hugely beneficial to everyone.

[Korashk]

regulated capitalism is where its at. full free market capitalism just leads to a concentration of wealth at the top but when government keeps capitalism under control it's hugely beneficial to everyone.
People need to stop talking about unregulated capitalism as if it exists. Fact is, government has ALWAYS regulated economies. Any economic issue you can cite was caused under government regulations.

[naglfari]

ok I guess I should've said underregulated capitalism is bad

[tovaris]

Considering that, that area was under the iron curtain and all the tense political disasters there haha

What area what are you talking about?

[Stronk Serb]

Considering that, that area was under the iron curtain and all the tense political disasters there haha



Lol, Slovenia was never behind the Iron Curtain. That post made me laugh my ass off.

What area what are you talking about?


He thinks Slovenia was behind the Iron Curtain. Lol.

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[randomnessqueen]

i think capitalism is a very damning ideology.
we would be better off without it, but i dont think thats the key to freedom.
freedom is a personal thing, its not based on ones governmental or economical system.

[Jay1]

i think capitalism is a very damning ideology.
we would be better off without it, but i dont think thats the key to freedom.
freedom is a personal thing, its not based on ones governmental or economical system.

In theory. But most people can't be free without money

Capitalism gives you the choice - work a bit and have an OK life or work hard/smart and be rich. That is freedom

[Ace of Spades]

In theory. But most people can't be free without money

Capitalism gives you the choice - work a bit and have an OK life or work hard/smart and be rich. That is freedom

sarcasm/ The janitor at the local school works all day 6 nights a week plus overtime just to feed his family. But I guess he's just lazy. /sarcasm

[Southside]

In theory. But most people can't be free without money

Capitalism gives you the choice - work a bit and have an OK life or work hard/smart and be rich. That is freedom

Wait, so your saying a person who works at a grocery store as a box packer or a person who works as a garbage men isnt working hard compared to a CEO or something? Please clarify.. The societal meaning to life is to WORK, its no "freedom" or "liberty" its work. Its a Biblical term I try to live by, "If one doesnt work, one doesnt eat", and this is true, you dont put in work you'll be out on the streets or in your parent's basement.

[Jay1]

sarcasm/ The janitor at the local school works all day 6 nights a week plus overtime just to feed his family. But I guess he's just lazy. /sarcasm

Maybe - or maybe he just isn't very bright.

It's a hard world :)

[Southside]

Maybe - or maybe he just isn't very bright.

It's a hard world :)

Thats a ignorant view of the REAL laborers of the world, not everyone can afford college, does that make them dumb? Does a PhD in your name automatically make you smarter than the rest of society? A janitor at a school works 1000x harder than any CEO...

[Ace of Spades]

Maybe - or maybe he just isn't very bright.

It's a hard world :)

My point was that not everybody has the same opportunities as other people do.

It's sooo nice to see that you have compassion with your fellow human. /sarcasm

[Jay1]

Wait, so your saying a person who works at a grocery store as a box packer or a person who works as a garbage men isnt working hard compared to a CEO or something? Please clarify..

That's why I said work hard/smart.

A box packer at a grocery store probably works as hard as say Warren Buffett but Buffett is a lot smarter so his work is much better paid.

[Southside]

That's why I said work hard/smart.

A box packer at a grocery store probably works as hard as say Warren Buffett but Buffett is a lot smarter so his work is much better paid.

Some of the smartest people I've met in life were working class people...Warren Buffett and these other money makers arent that smart, they just played their cards right in economics..Was Bush smart? He became President didnt he?

[Jay1]

Thats a ignorant view of the REAL laborers of the world, not everyone can afford college, does that make them dumb? Does a PhD in your name automatically make you smarter than the rest of society?
it's not about college - a lot of very successful people have no college education. It is about being smart, very few successful people have Phds.
A janitor at a school works 1000x harder than any CEO...
What do you base that opinion on?

My point was that not everybody has the same opportunities as other people do.

It's sooo nice to see that you have compassion with your fellow human. /sarcasm

Well Rachael you can do the compassion if you want I'll look after myself.

It's a hard world :)

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[Korashk]

Wait, so your saying a person who works at a grocery store as a box packer or a person who works as a garbage men isnt working hard compared to a CEO or something?
Probably not. The those jobs are a lot easier to do and require less time commitment. CEOs manage entire companies and work an average of 80-100 hours a week.

Thats a ignorant view of the REAL laborers of the world, not everyone can afford college, does that make them dumb?
In all but the most extreme cases, yeah. You can get a bachelors degree from a community college for less than $5,000 and get student loans to cover virtually all of the tuition. In this day and age there are few legitimate excuses to not have a college degree.

Does a PhD in your name automatically make you smarter than the rest of society?
Uh...yeah. Getting a PhD is one of the most challenging mental tasks that exists. It takes more than just effort to accomplish.

A janitor at a school works 1000x harder than any CEO...
No, a janitor's job is more physically demanding than a CEO's. However, it is a lot easier.

[naglfari]

jobs aren't paid based on how hard they are but how valuable they are.

more importantly, while smarts helps, a much bigger factor in success later in life is gonna be connections and how wealthy your family was to start with

[Southside]

it's not about college - a lot of very successful people have no college education. It is about being smart, very few successful people have Phds.

What do you base that opinion on?

Ok....Janitor works 5-6 Days a week, 6PM-12/1 AM. Think of what a janitor does, cleans bathrooms, mops floors, fixes lights & doors, pack boxes, unload boxes, move heavy things, tHATS NOT ALOT OF WORK...What do you mean a lot of successful people dont have college education? Not everyone is Bill Gates who drops out of college and become billionaires, most successful people do put in college work.

Ok....Janitor works 5-6 Days a week, 6PM-12/1 AM. Think of what a janitor does, cleans bathrooms, mops floors, fixes lights & doors, pack boxes, unload boxes, move heavy things, tHATS NOT ALOT OF WORK...What do you mean a lot of successful people dont have college education? Not everyone is Bill Gates who drops out of college and become billionaires, most successful people do put in college work.

Probably not. The those jobs are a lot easier to do and require less time commitment. CEOs manage entire companies and work an average of 80-100 hours a week.


In all but the most extreme cases, yeah. You can get a bachelors degree from a community college for less than $5,000 and get student loans to cover virtually all of the tuition. In this day and age there are few legitimate excuses to not have a college degree.


Uh...yeah. Getting a PhD is one of the most challenging mental tasks that exists. It takes more than just effort to accomplish.


No, a janitor's job is more physically demanding than a CEO's. However, it is a lot easier.

I can watch college lectures on Youtube, why go to college? Physical demand does make a job much harder, that's like saying a person who sits in a cubical all day filing papers and stuff has a harder job than a janitor or a box packer.

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[Jay1]

Ok....Janitor works 5-6 Days a week, 6PM-12/1 AM. Think of what a janitor does, cleans bathrooms, mops floors, fixes lights & doors, pack boxes, unload boxes, move heavy things, tHATS NOT ALOT OF WORK.

Sounds like a lot of work to me

What do you think a CEO does all day?

[Korashk]

I can watch college lectures on Youtube, why go to college?
Because employers don't care whether or not you watched Youtube. They care about degrees that for all intents and purposes prove you are proficient in a field of study.

Physical demand does make a job much harder,
No, it just makes them more physically demanding. "Hard" is not synonymous with "requires muscles". Jobs that are more physically demanding tend to also be jobs that are fairly simple.

that's like saying a person who sits in a cubical all day filing papers and stuff has a harder job than a janitor or a box packer.
Not really. I was simply asserting that physical requirements is just a portion of what makes a job hard, it's not the only criteria.

[Southside]

Sounds like a lot of work to me

What do you think a CEO does all day?

Hmm..Sits in a air conditioned office building attending company meetings, maybe travel to meet with other branches of the company on first class or their own private jet, have a personal secretary or assisstant to help them with their every movement or request..Come home to a 7 room mansion in a Porshe or Mercedes..

[Ace of Spades]

it's not about college - a lot of very successful people have no college education. It is about being smart, very few successful people have Phds.

What do you base that opinion on?



Well Rachael you can do the compassion if you want I'll look after myself.

It's a hard world :)

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Well aren't you uneducated. It's troglodytic views like yours that are screwing everybody else.

[Bethany]

In all but the most extreme cases, yeah. You can get a bachelors degree from a community college for less than $5,000 and get student loans to cover virtually all of the tuition. In this day and age there are few legitimate excuses to not have a college degree.


Yeah, but what if you can't afford the cost of living without a full-time job, so you can't go to school? What if having to pay back those loans will put you on the street?

Assuming that those who aren't getting a college degree aren't trying enough seems elitist. Some people have to work full-time just to stay afloat, take care of younger siblings and other relatives, etc.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

Communism requires that all wealth be spread equally to everyone. The issue with this of course is that business owners end up having their money redistributed which stops any sort of reinvestment into their business and it's inevitable collapse. Realistically the solution is for the government to step in and tell people where they will work, what they will sell, and what they will buy. This violates several inherint human rights. Capitalism on the other hand allows for a free economy. There are no laws restriciting any person or group of persons from becoming successful. Your money is your money. Essentially, communism forcefully makes everyone equal while at the same time stripping its people of there rights, where as capitalism provides a means and a lack of restricitions for everyone to be potentially successful.

I also want to interject this question: Are people who want to keep the money they earned or inherited greedy, or are the people who would like to take it from them greedy? I honestly fail to understand backwards liberal logic.

[Jay1]

I also want to interject this question: Are people who want to keep the money they earned or inherited greedy, or are the people who would like to take it from them greedy? I honestly fail to understand backwards liberal logic.

I'd say wanting something for nothing (taking other people's money) is worse than wanting something for yourself (keeping your own money)

[Sugaree]

I'd say wanting something for nothing (taking other people's money) is worse than wanting something for yourself (keeping your own money)

But when is keeping your own money just for the sake of keeping it become greedy? I fully believe that a man is entitled to the sweat of his brow, but when does this entitlement transform into greed?

[Jay1]

But when is keeping your own money just for the sake of keeping it become greedy? I fully believe that a man is entitled to the sweat of his brow, but when does this entitlement transform into greed?

I dont think it does become greed. If a guy makes millions or even billions thru his own efforts then he's perfectly entitled to keep it.

[Sugaree]

I dont think it does become greed. If a guy makes millions or even billions thru his own efforts then he's perfectly entitled to keep it.

Let me word that in a better fashion: if you've made more than enough to keep yourself and your family afloat (as in million and billionaires), does making more money seem greedy? Surely if you're a millionaire or billionaire, you don't need to keep going through the process of earning money.

[TheBigUnit]

Lol, Slovenia was never behind the Iron Curtain. That post made me laugh my ass off.




He thinks Slovenia was behind the Iron Curtain. Lol.

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Yugoslovia I meant

[Stronk Serb]

Yugoslovia I meant



Yugoslavia, despite being communist was never behind the Iron Curtain.

[Jay1]

Let me word that in a better fashion: if you've made more than enough to keep yourself and your family afloat (as in million and billionaires), does making more money seem greedy? Surely if you're a millionaire or billionaire, you don't need to keep going through the process of earning money.

That's missing the point - once you have enough money to live comfortably money isn't about what you need it's about what you want.

Heck you can spend $20 million on a car or $500m on a yacht, guys at that level see money as like a scorecard rather than being about what they need.

Same principle as say a tennis player winning Wimbledon once - is it greedy to come back next year and try to win again?

[PerpetualImperfexion]

Let me word that in a better fashion: if you've made more than enough to keep yourself and your family afloat (as in million and billionaires), does making more money seem greedy? Surely if you're a millionaire or billionaire, you don't need to keep going through the process of earning money.

I see nothing wrong with an individual continuing to invest in his/her own company. Odds are it will provide more jobs and allow their product to go to more people and potentially become cheaper if they invest in production methods. Are you suggesting that just because an individual has made illions of dollars they should just shut down their company? Perhaps they will realize that they are incredibly fortunate and that there really is no reason to keep around so much cash, in which case they can, by their own free will, donate some of it to a charity. Charity is so much more rewarding when it isn't forced on someone. And if they feel that they still have things they want to buy then so be it.

[randomnessqueen]

In theory. But most people can't be free without money

Capitalism gives you the choice - work a bit and have an OK life or work hard/smart and be rich. That is freedom

people confuse freedom with having your pleasures whenever you want.
there are people who work hard their whole life and get nothing for it, and they dont have a choice but remain that way.
plus, the rich and famous are possibly less free, cause they lose all privacy, they gain many enemies, and never have time to themselves.

[Jay1]

people confuse freedom with having your pleasures whenever you want.
there are people who work hard their whole life and get nothing for it, and they dont have a choice but remain that way.
They do have a choice - if you're toiling for 8 hours a day sweeping the streets or similar it should be obvious you're not going to get much for it. The choice is to do something different.


plus, the rich and famous are possibly less free, cause they lose all privacy, they gain many enemies, and never have time to themselves.

I assume celebs etc think it's worth losing their privacy to be rich and famous. I know they whine sometimes about invasion of privacy but without that invasion they wouldn't be rich/famous. Again it's a choice.

[Jae Ostraes]

Incorrect! Capitalism is'nt Spelled as Capitalisem and Freedom is'nt Spelled As Fredom :) lol JK

[MisterSix]

A police state can form in any kind of society

[naglfari]

They do have a choice - if you're toiling for 8 hours a day sweeping the streets or similar it should be obvious you're not going to get much for it. The choice is to do something different.

The other choice is usually starve

Freedom has to be enabled by government. Capitalism with the safety on and a safety net at the bottom