Long Arm of the Law

[CountryGuy]

Hey guys, Alex again. Just wanted to ask you guys, do you think the punishment should fit the crime? I mean, surely I can't be the only who thinks that if someone raped/killed someone, just take 'em out back and pop a cap. I mean, come on.

[randomnessqueen]

i disagree. i dont believe that people are hopeless.
if someone has done the worst they can, then i want them to improve.
and no matter how unlikely people say that is, it happens.
but once someone has done something wrong, folks give up on them, and they are nolonger a human being. but if you want to be consistent with this, then where are you going to draw the line. cause there are plenty of people who consider themselves the good guys but have stolen, lied and abused. what makes them better.

[Jean Poutine]

Hey guys, Alex again. Just wanted to ask you guys, do you think the punishment should fit the crime? I mean, surely I can't be the only who thinks that if someone raped/killed someone, just take 'em out back and pop a cap. I mean, come on.

I like to think we have evolved past the need for lex talionis.

[xmojox]

Couldn't disagree more.

[Gwen]

I still believe in an eye for an eye. It's fair, someone lost there chance at life because of this person. Vengeance is petty but fair in that case.
EDIT: Some of you can act proud and correct. But if you had been brutally raped, I'm sure some of you would be first to want revenge.

[xmojox]

I still believe in an eye for an eye. It's fair, someone lost there chance at life because of this person. Vengeance is petty but fair in that case.
EDIT: Some of you can act proud and correct. But if you had been brutally raped, I'm sure some of you would be first to want revenge.

Violence begets violence. If it was wrong for a killer to kill, then it's wrong to kill that killer. Your edit was an appeal to emotion, not a valid argument.

[Left Now]

I believe in this:
"Oh ُSapients ! Punishment is a secret to save you lives..."Holy Quran
I believe in eye for eye....So then the judgment could be done

[Taryn98]

Eye for an eye! There are many people who do bad things that can't be treated or changed and frankly it's a waste of time to try. If the person who committed the crime doesn't want to change for the better, they never will change.

[Left Now]

Actually it depends on the country law and the people,there is a person who raped and killed and tell us he will be changes,what is the warrant of his changing?
I think a person like this shall executed!
But for example a person killed another person and now he is regretful...I believe if the family of Killed person accept to forgive the criminal,he should just spend a few of months in jail and then come back to life,but if they didn't accept,he must be executed...
It is the right of that family..

[Bethany]

I don't believe in an eye for an eye.

If you (a universal "you", not directed towards anyone) were to kill a murderer in the name of "justice" as you define it, you are a murderer. You're a killer - no better than the murderer you execute. It doesn't matter if it's right, or socially excepted. It's murder.

[Left Now]

well maybe you are right...but still there are several chances for changing for criminals...Agree?

[Jess]

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Or something like that.

The punishment should not fit the crime. The punishers aren't any better than the ones being punished if they do the same thing the criminals did.

[Left Now]

It depends on who are the punishers....i myself think it must be a lot of chances to change for criminals but if they get out of the red line,they must be punished as equal as their crime was....

[Human]

I don't believe in an eye for an eye.
Just because someone took the life from someone else, doesn't give you right to take their life... they should just be locked up in prisons for actual life sentences I believe. I don't really think the supermax prisons where they're locked up with nothing to do 23 hours a day for 50 years are moral either.
In some places especially in the Middle East they do a literal eye for eye laws. People have their fingers removed etc.

[Left Now]

But not in Iran:we are obeying the rule of not cutting fingers..But still in a country like Saudi Arabia they do it for hand...In fact the eye for an eye is not a good name for it...
Payback is better...

[tovaris]

Comunety service of all kinds from breaking rocks to making evgin parts fizikal laber is the best punishment that should afcors fe fited to the crime

[Gwen]

Violence begets violence. If it was wrong for a killer to kill, then it's wrong to kill that killer. Your edit was an appeal to emotion, not a valid argument.

He committed murder, that's different to a life sentence, which is arguably worst then just killing them. I should've added I don't agree with 'Going round the back and just popping a cap' but I agree with the person who murdered getting a punishment equal to the crime.

[Sugaree]

Eye for an eye! There are many people who do bad things that can't be treated or changed and frankly it's a waste of time to try. If the person who committed the crime doesn't want to change for the better, they never will change.

Yeah, but can you really take "Eye for an eye!" in each case?

[likemike]

If a murderer is to be punished it should be the govenment who does it not a vigilante.

[PinkFloyd]

I think it depends. I mean if it looked someone was about to rob a bank and you pulled a .45 out and killed them then no. (There would be no evidence that it was a mistake voiding out manslaughter) You should not be charged with murder. Now if someone decided one day to bomb a busy street in Boston, then IMO, they should be shot on the spot once they are clearly identified and questioned. I know it sounds dark, but it's the way I see it.

[Sugaree]

I think it depends. I mean if it looked someone was about to rob a bank and you pulled a .45 out and killed them then no. (There would be no evidence that it was a mistake voiding out manslaughter) You should not be charged with murder. Now if someone decided one day to bomb a busy street in Boston, then IMO, they should be shot on the spot once they are clearly identified and questioned. I know it sounds dark, but it's the way I see it.

You have no idea how a justice system works, do you? You can't just shoot whoever is guilty, with or without a trial, just because you deem it so. There has to be a trial, either by jury or judge. You can't have judge, jury, and executioner in the same damn package.

[PinkFloyd]

You have no idea how a justice system works, do you? You can't just shoot whoever is guilty, with or without a trial, just because you deem it so. There has to be a trial, either by jury or judge. You can't have judge, jury, and executioner in the same damn package.

Like always, you are right, and I am wrong. I was typing without thinking. As it appears.. no I must not judging by the post that I made.

[Taryn98]

Yeah, but can you really take "Eye for an eye!" in each case?

Probably not, but for rape or murder I think capital punishment is justified. My friend's sister was raped several years ago and she's never been the same. She's gone through therapy now for years but she still has depression, anxiety and doesn't trust people and she's afraid to be alone with guys. Her life has been ruined. I think if you do that to a person, prison is not enough.

[Left Now]

Sorry for her...

[Guillermo]

Probably not, but for rape or murder I think capital punishment is justified. My friend's sister was raped several years ago and she's never been the same. She's gone through therapy now for years but she still has depression, anxiety and doesn't trust people and she's afraid to be alone with guys. Her life has been ruined. I think if you do that to a person, prison is not enough.

But will the rapist getting the death penalty ultimately change your friend's life? Probably not. You see, that's one of the problems with capital punishment. It shouldn't be about 'revenge' or getting even because that is strictly driven by emotions. There's no rationalism within this type of thinking. When one justifies it by 'fitting the crime', what they really mean is revenge.

[Harry Smith]

But will the rapist getting the death penalty ultimately change your friend's life? Probably not. You see, that's one of the problems with capital punishment. It shouldn't be about 'revenge' or getting even because that is strictly driven by emotions. There's no rationalism within this type of thinking. When one justifies it by 'fitting the crime', what they really mean is revenge.

I agree exactly with this, as bleak and cynical as it sounds your friend is still alive, sending the Rapist to his death wouldn't achieve anything. It wouldn't help maker her any better would it. You don't have the right to kill someone for breaking the law

[Taryn98]

But will the rapist getting the death penalty ultimately change your friend's life? Probably not. You see, that's one of the problems with capital punishment. It shouldn't be about 'revenge' or getting even because that is strictly driven by emotions. There's no rationalism within this type of thinking. When one justifies it by 'fitting the crime', what they really mean is revenge.

My point is they serve no purpose to society and it's a waste of money to put them in prison for the rest of their life. I know that the endless appeals of death penalty cases also costs a ton of money, but that should be changed. If you are convicted, you get a single appeal. If that upholds the case, they should be put to death immediately not 10+ years later. If that was done, it would save a lot of money.
You can call it revenge if you want, but there are terrible people in the world, and we'd all be better off if they were eliminated and not just locked up.

[Harry Smith]

My point is they serve no purpose to society and it's a waste of money to put them in prison for the rest of their life. I know that the endless appeals of death penalty cases also costs a ton of money, but that should be changed. If you are convicted, you get a single appeal. If that upholds the case, they should be put to death immediately not 10+ years later. If that was done, it would save a lot of money.
You can call it revenge if you want, but there are terrible people in the world, and we'd all be better off if they were eliminated and not just locked up.

This is Draconian style justice, you don't have a right to end someone's life based on one rape. If it is an isolated case then they would get 10 year's inside, they could get out and probably get a job, pay taxes and have a family. Not all rapists are terrible fucked up people, I agree people with a history should be locked up inside for life but killing someone for a single case is completely wrong. No I'll rephrase that- Killing someone is completely wrong.

[Left Now]

Agreed...That is what i told first...about who raped and murdered it must be a death punishment...But for others we have to think about their reasons to do those crimes and then judge..
For example maybe a thief is stealing because of the hunger and poorness he is facing during his life and also maybe he has family...I saw one of them which was going to go to jail but the judge ordered them to just put him in the jail for two weeks and after this happened,the thief got a job as a post transporter and now he is not a thief anymore...Maybe they are acceptable reasons for crimes which we have to listen to them and then judge and punish the criminal...

[Sugaree]

Probably not, but for rape or murder I think capital punishment is justified. My friend's sister was raped several years ago and she's never been the same. She's gone through therapy now for years but she still has depression, anxiety and doesn't trust people and she's afraid to be alone with guys. Her life has been ruined. I think if you do that to a person, prison is not enough.

I just don't see the point of capital punishment unless its a federal case. In the case of the Boston bomber, which is a federal case, I can see capital punishment being used. However, for things such as murder or manslaughter, I think capital punishment goes too far. I'm not in favor of the death penalty, but I'm also not fully against its use. Obviously I would never give a serial killer life in prison, but if you only murder one person, you shouldn't be given a death sentence.

[Taryn98]

I just don't see the point of capital punishment unless its a federal case. In the case of the Boston bomber, which is a federal case, I can see capital punishment being used. However, for things such as murder or manslaughter, I think capital punishment goes too far. I'm not in favor of the death penalty, but I'm also not fully against its use. Obviously I would never give a serial killer life in prison, but if you only murder one person, you shouldn't be given a death sentence.

I think the opposite. if you "only murder one person", you made your choice to do evil, now you have to go.
Manslaughter is different I agree, but killing even one person is deserving of your death. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but I'm not very forgiving of people who do wrong.

[Sugaree]

I think the opposite. if you "only murder one person", you made your choice to do evil, now you have to go.
Manslaughter is different I agree, but killing even one person is deserving of your death. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but I'm not very forgiving of people who do wrong.

What if it's murder by accident? There was a story recently of a father who left his kids in a room that was experiencing high levels of CO2 gas and it killed them. Surely that isn't deserving of one's death, right?

And no, it doesn't make you a bad person, but it will make many people question your ethics and morals.

[Taryn98]

What if it's murder by accident? There was a story recently of a father who left his kids in a room that was experiencing high levels of CO2 gas and it killed them. Surely that isn't deserving of one's death, right?

And no, it doesn't make you a bad person, but it will make many people question your ethics and morals.

Accidents are a different story, but I'm mostly concerned with doing things intentionally.