unpopular Brits and Americans?

[britishboy]

im British myself and love my country and America why do people hate these countrys? I just wanna here opinions im not gonna post so this is just for opinions. I was just wundering were fans of world peace and won ww2 lol:)

[PinkFloyd]

I have no idea why anybody dislikes the UK, because you guys are awesome, but I know why the hate for the US is strong in some cases.
- some people are ignorent. "We gotta get rid 'o that East Korea before they nuke us!"
- obiesity is a health problem, while starvation is a problem in other places.
- We stick our nose where it doesn't belong.
- some of us are racist by thinking that all muslims hate the US.

[britishboy]

lol thanks for explaing:)

[Jay1]

I have no idea why anybody dislikes the UK, because you guys are awesome,

well I'm from the UK and there's certainly people who might have reason to dislike the country.

Everybody needs somebody they dislike - doesn't have to be a rational reason for it.

[PinkFloyd]

well I'm from the UK and there's certainly people who might have reason to dislike the country.

Everybody needs somebody they dislike - doesn't have to be a rational reason for it.

That is true.

[britishboy]

the us is great why hate them? they do so much for world peace.

[Apollo.]

the us is great why hate them? they do so much for world peace.

Do tell me your taking the piss? The yanks are fucking obsessed with wars. Any country that allows people to run around in a desert or street waving guns around shouting "woo America" isn't exactly striving for a violence free peaceful world.

[Jay1]

Do tell me your taking the piss? The yanks are fucking obsessed with wars. Any country that allows people to run around in a desert or street waving guns around shouting "woo America" isn't exactly striving for a violence free peaceful world.

What do you think the people the USA fight shout when they're running around in the desert waving guns?

[Apollo.]

What do you think the people the USA fight shout when they're running around in the desert waving guns?

"Allah huachba" or some shit, whatever the latest country the USA has decided to go to war with say. The US does very little if anything for world peace despite their claims. Also letting everyone have a gun does not promote peace.

[Cygnus]

I dislike the US because the average gringo is ignorant towards the rest of the world, you can ask them to locate Venezuela on a world map and they will have no idea. Plus, they average person also has a war-oriented attitude that I absolutely hate. I am unable to judge the UK though, since I only know three people from there and never visited it even though I have the desire to.

[World Eater]

I despise the political system here in the US and the douchebags running the government. Oh and as well as the several debates that we have on a daily basis, mainly this gun control debate. My biggest concern however is this: The debt. (http://www.usdebtclock.org/)

[Cicero]

Do tell me your taking the piss? The yanks are fucking obsessed with wars. Any country that allows people to run around in a desert or street waving guns around shouting "woo America" isn't exactly striving for a violence free peaceful world.
Shut up. Lol Jk :hug: Most of the soldiers don't do that, they just follow orders. Some of them don't support what they are told but they must do it.
I dislike the US because the average gringo is ignorant towards the rest of the world, you can ask them to locate Venezuela on a world map and they will have no idea. Plus, they average person also has a war-oriented attitude that I absolutely hate. I am unable to judge the UK though, since I only know three people from there and never visited it even though I have the desire to.

We're ignorant cause we don't know where Venezuela is? Wow that's a pretty stupid reason. I honestly don't care where Venezuela is or any other South American country, because I'm never gonna go there. The only place I would ever need to know is where Panama is (financial reasons).
http://i.imgur.com/96pvKoUl.jpg
^^^ There's Venezuela ;)


To Op
I never new Americans disliked the UK. The only thing that general America's think of when it comes to England is Minty fresh teeth/bad crooked teeth. I don't know why britains have that stereotype, I'm basically half British, but my teeth were bad before braces.

When I think of Britain, I think of very Prim and proper and clean people.

[Cygnus]

We're ignorant cause we don't know where Venezuela is? Wow that's a pretty stupid reason. I honestly don't care where Venezuela is or any other South American country, because I'm never gonna go there. The only place I would ever need to know is where Panama is (financial reasons).
image (http://i.imgur.com/96pvKoUl.jpg)
^^^ There's Venezuela ;)
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Thats why, the general world knowledge of the average gringo is lower than the one of any other person.

[randomnessqueen]

i love all countries, i have no reason not to

[ShaneSawyer]

I live I the USA and to be honest I hate it.*

Our govt causes problems that the people otherwise wouldn't be scared of (take the red scare for example, people were terrified of communist expansion only because our govt dictated it as a bad thing)*

Our govt also favors business over people. Oh no! Thousands of people lose their jobs, let's bail out the business' instead! :P

We spend more than half of every tax dollar on 'defense'. What the fuck do we need that much money for? No other country spends remotely close to what we spend on defense. We should be advocating for world peace rather than invade other countries and steal their resources.*

Perhaps with all that tax money we could spend it on the people suffering within our own country. Or on the education of our children. Or green energy alternatives.

Anyway, just remember not all Americans are fat ignorant fucks.*

[Stronk Serb]

Personally? The US bombed Serbia, and the UK, being their NATO allies, along with them. The US are no superpower, I met some people from the UK, 5, of them. 3 are ignorant arrogant asshats, while the two other are OK people.





I live I the USA and to be honest I hate it.*

Our govt causes problems that the people otherwise wouldn't be scared of (take the red scare for example, people were terrified of communist expansion only because our govt dictated it as a bad thing)*

Our govt also favors business over people. Oh no! Thousands of people lose their jobs, let's bail out the business' instead! :P

We spend more than half of every tax dollar on 'defense'. What the fuck do we need that much money for? No other country spends remotely close to what we spend on defense. We should be advocating for world peace rather than invade other countries and steal their resources.*

Perhaps with all that tax money we could spend it on the people suffering within our own country. Or on the education of our children. Or green energy alternatives.

Anyway, just remember not all Americans are fat ignorant fucks.*

This deserves to be rated up.

[britishboy]

I personly do not think such an easy access to big guns is good but its there culture. and they do help world peace, when Argentina invaded the Falklands us brits had to send a task force out there to kick them out America was asking both sides to withdraw obviously no side would with draw so we removed them by force but America was trying to stop us from taking out Argentina and we didnt. also look at Afghanistan.

Personally? The US bombed Serbia, and the UK, being their NATO allies, along with them. The US are no superpower, I met some people from the UK, 5, of them. 3 are ignorant arrogant asshats, while the two other are OK people.

lol wtf? the us is the only current superpower and Serbia is a third world country I dont know why they was bombing it but they probley deserved it lol.


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[rubio1789]

im British myself and love my country and America why do people hate these countrys? I just wanna here opinions im not gonna post so this is just for opinions. I was just wundering were fans of world peace and won ww2 lol:)

I think that depends on people I personally don't hate UK people or any other country. Some people are just ignorant my friend that doesnt mean all americans hate UK people:)

[Stronk Serb]

lol wtf? the us is the only current superpower and Serbia is a third world country I dont know why they was bombing it but they probley deserved it lol.

Yes, we are a third world country because you bombed us. Targeting non-miliary targets (factories, roads, hospitals) and civilian convoys, you destroyed our industrial potential, an made us recover for 5 years before the bombed hospitals were reopened, our factories never worked again. More civilians were killed then soldiers. The US authorities (all kinds of) can kiss my ass, I am not yielding to their imperialist, facist, capitalist rule ever. Same for the UK to. I do not reognize their authority.

[britishboy]

Yes, we are a third world country because you bombed us. Targeting non-miliary targets (factories, roads, hospitals) and civilian convoys, you destroyed our industrial potential, an made us recover for 5 years before the bombed hospitals were reopened, our factories never worked again. More civilians were killed then soldiers. The US authorities (all kinds of) can kiss my ass, I am not yielding to their imperialist, facist, capitalist rule ever. Same for the UK to. I do not reognize their authority.

lol u were bombed for a reason ive never herd of your country before this it has no authority no one cares America is the worlds only super power its a fact.

[Left Now]

I myself do not hate America or UK...Specially UK because it has a culture with a good foundation....But the world peace is not a reason to wage wars against other countries...This is what US and UK do...The goal is good but the way is worst...
However,no one can deny that UK and US are still looking for wealthy resources of the Middle East...and this is why i blame them...But not really hate them...If they could reduce their transgressions there could be something in the name of World Peace...But when they are still looking for wealth it is not (world peace)what they are deserving to..
and for britishboy:
Dear Britishboy in other post if i talked to you aggressively please do not mind them serious because i was angry in those times...

[Stronk Serb]

America is the worlds only super power its a fact.



Do citizens of a superpower get bombed by terrorists on a regular basis? Still, you bombed us and behaved just like German bombers in WWII, targeting civilians. You did the same thing as the Luftwaffe, the German air force. How does that make you feel?

[Left Now]

a superpower is not allowed to kill people friend...
This is what American soldiers do...

At last i have to tell you i believe China as a superpower more than believing the US as one.


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[Bethany]

I'm American, and I can't call myself the biggest fan of my own country and the way it's run these days:
-Corporate conglomerates have too much influence over our politics. Politicians bend to the will of corporations that sponsor them and help them get re-elected instead of putting the people first
-The government enacts laws that reduces the freedoms of the people in the name of "security" and "terrorism prevention", and the majority of people support this. People would rather have a bit of temporary security than their essential freedoms.
-Our Congress is so bipartisan and not representative of the general population, which is mostly moderate
-When it comes down to it, the head Democrats and head Republicans are pretty similar. When you're voting for President, you're voting for the lesser of two fairly similar evils
-Too much party loyalty
-Students are taught to believe what the government says unconditionally and are intentionally not taught about recent history and current events, which would give them the tools to question the government's foreign policy decisions, which the govt. doesn't want
-Foreign imperialism
-The people, for the most part, don't care about foreign issues
-The blind support of Israel
-The attitude that criticizing the country/government/armed forces is BAD, and if you don't love everything about the country, you should just leave

I'm not a fan of the UK because of its imperialistic past and the fact that it has MUCH more UN influence than it should have.

[Left Now]

Always the right is with people...
I agree in my country is still a lot of bad habits and beliefs about western countries,but the westerns are still acting like they did for 50 years ago...just in another and modern way...What can my people do when they see this problems?

[britishboy]

I myself do not hate America or UK...Specially UK because it has a culture with a good foundation....But the world peace is not a reason to wage wars against other countries...This is what US and UK do...The goal is good but the way is worst...
However,no one can deny that UK and US are still looking for wealthy resources of the Middle East...and this is why i blame them...But not really hate them...If they could reduce their transgressions there could be something in the name of World Peace...But when they are still looking for wealth it is not (world peace)what they are deserving to..
and for britishboy:
Dear Britishboy in other post if i talked to you aggressively please do not mind them serious because i was angry in those times...

well said:) im a proud brit and we all know america will kill everyone for oil and I agree that starting wars dosent create peace it creates a war lol. I dont like the uk or us for that and btw its ok I was angry too lol:)

[Left Now]

Thanks friend

[tovaris]

You are all just anglo-american imperialists (not to mention capitalists but lets leve that aside fo now), start wars wherever you show your fas (this part mjstly goes for those over the bog putle), and did very little to win the ww2 which vas in Jugoslavia von ba its nation and most of europe was liberated by the undefetabe read army (of the CCCP not UK or USA), and the english harbord traters during ww2.
Also the thing that bothers the world the most is your imperialist atitude. You rearly speak a foren language (don't take our primeministres as a good example to you).
But it isent so bad we quite like the englis that have moved to Pomurje and now stupbornly don't want to move from there no mather wat.
Remember better an englishman drinking in london than an americanman with a fet bomb over your city.

[Stronk Serb]

You are all just anglo-american imperialists (not to mention capitalists but lets leve that aside fo now), start wars wherever you show your fas (this part mjstly goes for those over the bog putle), and did very little to win the ww2 which vas in Jugoslavia von ba its nation and most of europe was liberated by the undefetabe read army (of the CCCP not UK or USA), and the english harbord traters during ww2.
Also the thing that bothers the world the most is your imperialist atitude. You rearly speak a foren language (don't take our primeministres as a good example to you).
But it isent so bad we quite like the englis that have moved to Pomurje and now stupbornly don't want to move from there no mather wat.
Remember better an englishman drinking in london than an americanman with a fet bomb over your city.

Hello comrade, I am from Serbia. You have just repeated everything I said about this thread in a short version, the West, it is nothing compared to the East.

[Stronk Serb]

lol u were bombed for a reason ive never herd of your country before this it has no authority no one cares America is the worlds only super power its a fact.


Still, how do you justify bombing of civilian targets?

[Harry Smith]

Still, how do you justify bombing of civilian targets?

Serbia were committing multiple war crimes in Kosovo, we had to intervene to stop a Genocide by your fascist of a leader Milosevic. We stopped deliberate, systematic efforts at ethnic cleansing and genocide. Under Article 51 and 41 of the united nations charter we had to a right to legally do it.

[Stronk Serb]

Serbia were committing multiple war crimes in Kosovo, we had to intervene to stop a Genocide by your fascist of a leader Milosevic. We stopped deliberate, systematic efforts at ethnic cleansing and genocide. Under Article 51 and 41 of the united nations charter we had to a right to legally do it.



I do not care who gave you the order to bomb military ratgets. I was asking him how does he justify bombing of civilian targets? More civilian targets and more civilians died in the bombings th soldiers which is quite unusual due to the US and the UK having many precision missiles and rockets which favor precision over damage.

[Stronk Serb]

Serbia were committing multiple war crimes in Kosovo, we had to intervene to stop a Genocide by your fascist of a leader Milosevic. We stopped deliberate, systematic efforts at ethnic cleansing and genocide. Under Article 51 and 41 of the united nations charter we had to a right to legally do it.



I do not care who gave you the order to bomb military ratgets. I was asking him how does he justify bombing of civilian targets? More civilian targets and more civilians died in the bombings then soldiers which is quite unusual due to the US and the UK having many precision missiles and rockets which favor precision over damage.

[Harry Smith]

I do not care who gave you the order to bomb military ratgets. I was asking him how does he justify bombing of civilian targets? More civilian targets and more civilians died in the bombings then soldiers which is quite unusual due to the US and the UK having many precision missiles and rockets which favor precision over damage.

Just because we have guidance on weapons doesn't mean they are accurate, we were having to carry out high altitude bomb raids meaning the accuracy would decrease. It was ashame that civilians died in the bombing but if we didn't carry out the bombing then a Genocide would of happened to Kosovo Albians by the Serbs. We had to stop a Genocide, it's the nature of conflict

[tovaris]

Just because we have guidance on weapons doesn't mean they are accurate, we were having to carry out high altitude bomb raids meaning the accuracy would decrease. It was ashame that civilians died in the bombing but if we didn't carry out the bombing then a Genocide would of happened to Kosovo Albians by the Serbs. We had to stop a Genocide, it's the nature of conflict

You did not stop genocixe you enabled it thousends of Serbs were killed in Kosovo.
Also do you regard dencly populated areas. (Belgrade, Niš...) as military targets you think thousends of aolders were hiding in the suberbs?

[Harry Smith]

You did not stop genocixe you enabled it thousends of Serbs were killed in Kosovo.
Also do you regard dencly populated areas. (Belgrade, Niš...) as military targets you think thousends of aolders were hiding in the suberbs?

It came under a Military of Doctrine called the center of Gravity, that was your command and control center was so if we attacked your military targets there then we would stop the genocide. You can't ingnore the 100,000 of Kosovo albanians killed? Your such an ungrateful idiot, now wonder the whole region is a shithole

[Human]

I think a lot of the hate is towards the USA, not the UK. Other places usually dislike America because people think they get into other peoples business for oil etc.

[tovaris]

It came under a Military of Doctrine called the center of Gravity, that was your command and control center was so if we attacked your military targets there then we would stop the genocide. You can't ingnore the 100,000 of Kosovo albanians killed? Your such an ungrateful idiot, now wonder the whole region is a shithole

Now now no inyolts i dont insolt you even thow i know you are wrong.
The region is a shithole becouse your people bombed it. The 5 000 albanjans that were kiledwere kiled in open fighting betven the serbian defenders (i do not denie that the one whowas leading them at the time was an idiot) and albanian insergents.

[Harry Smith]

Now now no inyolts i dont insolt you even thow i know you are wrong.
The region is a shithole becouse your people bombed it. The 5 000 albanjans that were kiledwere kiled in open fighting betven the serbian defenders (i do not denie that the one whowas leading them at the time was an idiot) and albanian insergents.

Your country was attempting to commit genocide on a massive scale.

Widespread ethnic cleansing accompanied the War in Bosnia (1992–1995). Large numbers of Croats and Bosniaks were forced to flee their homes by the Army of the Republic Serbia. Beginning in 1991, political upheavals in the Balkans displaced about 2,700,000 people by mid-1992, of which over 700,000 of them sought asylum in Europe.

It was an attack by tanks and artillery on a largely defenseless people whose leaders already have agreed to peace.when Serbian forces had resorted to mass deportation and full-dress ethnic cleansing that was when we had to step in to stop mass war crimes, there is a reason half your leaders are at the hague

[tovaris]

Your country was attempting to commit genocide on a massive scale.

Widespread ethnic cleansing accompanied the War in Bosnia (1992–1995). Large numbers of Croats and Bosniaks were forced to flee their homes by the Army of the Republic Serbia. Beginning in 1991, political upheavals in the Balkans displaced about 2,700,000 people by mid-1992, of which over 700,000 of them sought asylum in Europe.

It was an attack by tanks and artillery on a largely defenseless people whose leaders already have agreed to peace.when Serbian forces had resorted to mass deportation and full-dress ethnic cleansing that was when we had to step in to stop mass war crimes, there is a reason half your leaders are at the hague

What happend in Bosnia was a tragedy on a masive scale, bot don't you dare blame soly serbian mental pacients for this they were no better do you have any idea what horors the bosniaks commited not to mention the croatian crimes,theyr blody leders started the whole thing in the first place (with a lot help from UK, USA, world bank, warious finantial institutions, NATO conspireters, the frensh... we gave all our criminals ho hague now its their turn
P. S. : remember the kosovo albanian leder Criminal who was brought to Hague whel his conpanions killed all witneses and they had to let him go

[TheSocialInspector]

I dislike neither the UK nor the USA. Both are fine to me.

I noticed some of my local friends dislike the UK, the main reason attributing to the fact that you guys surrendered our Country over to the Japanese troops in World War 2, but I don't really think about it.

As for USA, I don't find anything really wrong with them. Most of the time when they are represented in a negative spoitlight up front to me is some American YouTuber bombarding racist slurs on us on the social media.

[britishboy]

I dislike neither the UK nor the USA. Both are fine to me.

I noticed some of my local friends dislike the UK, the main reason attributing to the fact that you guys surrendered our Country over to the Japanese troops in World War 2, but I don't really think about it.

As for USA, I don't find anything really wrong with them. Most of the time when they are represented in a negative spoitlight up front to me is some American YouTuber bombarding racist slurs on us on the social media.

We was focusing on europe america was dealing with japan so soz if we surrended u over we was out numbered and out gunned.

[Abigballofdust]

Yes, we are a third world country because you bombed us. Targeting non-miliary targets (factories, roads, hospitals) and civilian convoys, you destroyed our industrial potential, an made us recover for 5 years before the bombed hospitals were reopened, our factories never worked again. More civilians were killed then soldiers. The US authorities (all kinds of) can kiss my ass, I am not yielding to their imperialist, facist, capitalist rule ever. Same for the UK to. I do not reognize their authority.

No you're not.
It's easy to blame everybody else but yourself.
Yes, bombings got you pretty hard and yes they make everything harder, but there's no way a bomb can bring corruption, thieves and everything else that's fucking yours and my countries up.
Germany had a 0% unemployment rate by the mid 50's. Then fucking years after being ground zero.
It's 13 years after bombings hit you and you're still crying how you can't develop because you were bombed?
Please open your damn eyes.
What stops your country from development is the fact it's poisoned with myths and nationalism. Maybe if you understood your enemies are not Kosovars, US citizens, Croats and what not there'd be a chance to turn against the leaders of you third world country and do something to change the shit you're swimming into.
Don't think it's any better on this side of the Danube. We're in the same pile of manure, only with a slightly better standard. SLIGHTLY.

What happend in Bosnia was a tragedy on a masive scale, bot don't you dare blame soly serbian mental pacients for this they were no better do you have any idea what horors the bosniaks commited not to mention the croatian crimes,theyr blody leders started the whole thing in the first place (with a lot help from UK, USA, world bank, warious finantial institutions, NATO conspireters, the frensh... we gave all our criminals ho hague now its their turn
P. S. : remember the kosovo albanian leder Criminal who was brought to Hague whel his conpanions killed all witneses and they had to let him go
Just explain to me what is that we started?
Independence? Slovenia was first.
War? First blood was Croat.

[tovaris]

No you're not.
It's easy to blame everybody else but yourself.
Yes, bombings got you pretty hard and yes they make everything harder, but there's no way a bomb can bring corruption, thieves and everything else that's fucking yours and my countries up.
Germany had a 0% unemployment rate by the mid 50's. Then fucking years after being ground zero.
It's 13 years after bombings hit you and you're still crying how you can't develop because you were bombed?
Please open your damn eyes.
What stops your country from development is the fact it's poisoned with myths and nationalism. Maybe if you understood your enemies are not Kosovars, US citizens, Croats and what not there'd be a chance to turn against the leaders of you third world country and do something to change the shit you're swimming into.
Don't think it's any better on this side of the Danube. We're in the same pile of manure, only with a slightly better standard. SLIGHTLY.


Just explain to me what is that we started?
Independence? Slovenia was first.
War? First blood was Croat.

No one is blaming Srebias lack of development on cluster bombs ihe real blow that set the serbian economy and state back was the blocade that cut the country off for many years. Our politions are worst but we are moving sloli but surly to a brighter future.
Germanies unemploiment rate or 0 per cent was due to the harsh soviet politic of giving everione work.

On the other mather lets not go frew the entire film On nomans land history is clear. All yugoslaw nations are brothers frown into was by capitalists, world money found, world bank, british, usa, ant their mindles pupets operating from within.

[Abigballofdust]

No one is blaming Srebias lack of development on cluster bombs ihe real blow that set the serbian economy and state back was the blocade that cut the country off for many years. Our politions are worst but we are moving sloli but surly to a brighter future.
Germanies unemploiment rate or 0 per cent was due to the harsh soviet politic of giving everione work.

On the other mather lets not go frew the entire film On nomans land history is clear. All yugoslaw nations are brothers frown into was by capitalists, world money found, world bank, british, usa, ant their mindles pupets operating from within.
I was not talking about East Germany.
We are brothers and we have managed to fuck up our relationship because we are dumb. No USA, UK or other mindless puppets filled our minds with Great Croatia or Great Serbia ideals.
We were torn apart by our own men, many of which are still heroes in our fellow citizens' minds.
And I don't blame Serbia for what they did actually, in the whole turmoil they just happened to be the most war ready and fight willing country.

[tovaris]

I was not talking about East Germany.
We are brothers and we have managed to fuck up our relationship because we are dumb. No USA, UK or other mindless puppets filled our minds with Great Croatia or Great Serbia ideals.
We were torn apart by our own men, many of which are still heroes in our fellow citizens' minds.
And I don't blame Serbia for what they did actually, in the whole turmoil they just happened to be the most war ready and fight willing country.

Yes we were torn apart by our man, buth the nations dident tare apart themselwes. Ever asked yourself who governed those man? It was the western block with their hatred of fredom, equality, ... , thay caused the melt down,

[Abigballofdust]

Yes we were torn apart by our man, buth the nations dident tare apart themselwes. Ever asked yourself who governed those man? It was the western block with their hatred of fredom, equality, ... , thay caused the melt down,

It was not.
It was the clash of two strong nationalism filled countries. Croatia and Serbia.
The men controlling those two countries managed to impose their idea of greatness into the minds of the citizens. Myths, legends and future predictions of glory were what destroyed us.

[Harry Smith]

Yes we were torn apart by our man, buth the nations dident tare apart themselwes. Ever asked yourself who governed those man? It was the western block with their hatred of fredom, equality, ... , thay caused the melt down,

The western block? at least you the correct wording. We don't hate freedom or Equality... get your facts right

[tovaris]

The western block? at least you the correct wording. We don't hate freedom or Equality... get your facts right

You get your fackts straight, think! Monarchy, class devision, Korea, Gvantanamo, the patriot act, a nonamerican activeties comity, ...

[Harry Smith]

You get your fackts straight, think! Monarchy, class devision, Korea, Gvantanamo, the patriot act, a nonamerican activeties comity, ...

Get your spelling and facts right. We have a democratically elected government and house of parliament. Korea? that was 50 years ago. I'm not american so the last 3 don't even count for me.

[tovaris]

Get your spelling and facts right. We have a democratically elected government and house of parliament. Korea? that was 50 years ago. I'm not american so the last 3 don't even count for me.

This all counts as for the entire block. But if british facts are mor to your liking lets get started: harboring convicted trators during WW2, being partly respponsaple for the genocide of american native population when colonising the place, white Australia, anty socialisem, M. Tatcher, Ireland, ...

[Harry Smith]

This all counts as for the entire block. But if british facts are mor to your liking lets get started: harboring convicted trators during WW2, being partly respponsaple for the genocide of american native population when colonising the place, white Australia, anty socialisem, M. Tatcher, Ireland, ...

You have no idea what your talking about... Convicted Traitors? have some respect, as I seem to remember you got nice and friendly with Heer Hitler until you changed your mind and got crushed. In all fairness Tito did well but your army was useless. I can't condone the native action, that wasn't British Government that was the 13 colonies, that was over 300 years ago. It wasn't know or documented back then, but in your case we just had a holocaust. Anti Sociallism? have you heard of Clement Atlee? M. Thatcher didn't commit war crimes, it was purely domestic. Ireland... we divided it after ww1.

Don't try and tarnish our name just because your upset about your country being a shit hole

[The LOLer]

Because we're first world countries, top dogs at that.

[tovaris]

You have no idea what your talking about... Convicted Traitors? have some respect, as I seem to remember you got nice and friendly with Heer Hitler until you changed your mind and got crushed. In all fairness Tito did well but your army was useless. I can't condone the native action, that wasn't British Government that was the 13 colonies, that was over 300 years ago. It wasn't know or documented back then, but in your case we just had a holocaust. Anti Sociallism? have you heard of Clement Atlee? M. Thatcher didn't commit war crimes, it was purely domestic. Ireland... we divided it after ww1.

Don't try and tarnish our name just because your upset about your country being a shit hole

Our as you call it "usles" army chased the enimy of our soil so that they ran away screeming.
The very thrator whos goverment got nice and frendly with dog Hitler was convicted and took refuge in London.
M Tatcher commited crimes againce the human rase.
The english had no right to invade or devide a nother country.
And there is still the german quen you have there.
And yes athe colonising power is responsable for its pupet goverment action.

[Harry Smith]

Our as you call it "usles" army chased the enimy of our soil so that they ran away screeming.
The very thrator whos goverment got nice and frendly with dog Hitler was convicted and took refuge in London.
M Tatcher commited crimes againce the human rase.
The english had no right to invade or devide a nother country.
And there is still the german quen you have there.
And yes athe colonising power is responsable for its pupet goverment action.

We didn't get Friendly with him, we declared war. Hitler never visited London. How did thatcher commit crimes? I'm more African than she is german. Your fucking stupid mate, you need to go to school more

[Left Now]

All of you were invaders in WWII...Nothing more...

[naglfari]

All of you were invaders in WWII...Nothing more...

How dare we oppose the nazis

[Harry Smith]

All of you were invaders in WWII...Nothing more...

Didn't Iran side with the Nazis?

[Left Now]

Nazis were invaders as Soviets were as UK and US was,
All the things in world war II was just about wealth of another country,nothing more...
oil,money and...

[naglfari]

you're an idiot

[Left Now]

Didn't Iran side with the Nazis?

Iran was neutral in WWII,but Reza Shah (Death to him) wanted to have good relations with Hitler,while people were against him,and also it was Pahlavi regime and not Islamic Republic.
Anyway all the major powers in WWII were invaders.Iran got invaded too..

you're an idiot

Thank you for introducing yourself to me friend,i am Dan,

[naglfari]

its disgusting that you'd try to say everyone involved in ww2 was as bad as the nazis. there's plenty of questionable or wrong wars that the UK and US have waged but WW2 wasn't one of them. There isn't a more clear example in history of justified war.

[britishboy]

Iran was neutral in WWII,but Reza Shah (Death to him) wanted to have good relations with Hitler,while people were against him,and also it was Pahlavi regime and not Islamic Republic.
Anyway all the major powers in WWII were invaders.Iran got invaded too..

well said:) and to those hating ww2 don't blame Iran BLAME THE GERMANS AND THAT IDIOT HITLER! they were the ones that started the war a killed its own people!!

[Left Now]

Any invasion is bad,and your countries did it in WWII.France to Algiers,Germany to France and Egypt and Libya,UK to Iran Egypt Iraq and parts of India and Africa,US to Germany,USSR to Iran and Afghanistan,Italy to Libya and others...
Come on you cannot deny them even with good reasons...In my opinion any invasion is wrong...

But the Germany in those times were very more bad.They killed a lot of innocent Jews and massacred them in death camps....
I am very oppose of this act of Hitler the Small(Small is opposite of the Great)


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[Harry Smith]

Nazis were invaders as Soviets were as UK and US was,
All the things in world war II was just about wealth of another country,nothing more...
oil,money and...

Once again terrible grammar, you say it was nothing more than wealth yet you then go onto list other factors. Also small is not the opposite of Great.

World war 2 was about the fact that Germany declared war on Poland and triggered the Anglo-polish common defense pact. That's what it was about. You state that you quite rightly hate the holocaust yet you express anger for the allies attacking germany???? Your a fucking idiot

[Left Now]

First:Sorry for the grammar i feel a little sleepy and cannot read what i have written very good...
Second:Yes it was that fact but why should it be a reason for invading other countries like Iran and Iraq?

[britishboy]

Wtf!!! Ww2 was started by the germans invaded poland a allie of great britian so being british we went to war and we stoped the germans from killing jews and black and asian men and women and children how dare anyone say that was just about oil

[Left Now]

It was about oil at last...Nazi bastards(sorry to tell that)wanted to reach our oil resources decided to be in a good relationship with Pahlavi Shah Reza and made you britains and americans to invade my country...However still it was the guilt of Nazi germans for starting WWII...I believe in this...

[Harry Smith]

It was about oil at last...Nazi bastards(sorry to tell that)wanted to reach our oil resources decided to be in a good relationship with Pahlavi Shah Reza and made you britains and americans to invade my country...However still it was the guilt of Nazi germans for starting WWII...I believe in this...

The Nazis had most of there oil tied up in Romania, Hitler was stupid for trying to get oil from Iran due to fact they had Russia on the North, India to east and Iraq to North. They were pretty much surrounded by the allies

[Left Now]

But the oil of Iran is something else...I do not know but maybe it is delicious!(Kidding!)

[tovaris]

We didn't get Friendly with him, we declared war. Hitler never visited London. How did thatcher commit crimes? I'm more African than she is german. Your fucking stupid mate, you need to go to school more

I didn't say you got frendly wit dog Hitler i said you harbored the trator that once dared to call himself king, and his goverment in london.

Tatcher was responsible for thousends of deths.

Do your history when did the curent house that sittes in the english throne come to be? When they changed their name just before ww1 so to apear les german.


P. S. : The entire humaan race originates from africa.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

I have no idea why anybody dislikes the UK, because you guys are awesome, but I know why the hate for the US is strong in some cases.
- some people are ignorent. "We gotta get rid 'o that East Korea before they nuke us!"
- obiesity is a health problem, while starvation is a problem in other places.
- We stick our nose where it doesn't belong.
- some of us are racist by thinking that all muslims hate the US.

Exactly correct.

[Harry Smith]

I didn't say you got frendly wit dog Hitler i said you harbored the trator that once dared to call himself king, and his goverment in london.

Tatcher was responsible for thousends of deths.

Do your history when did the curent house that sittes in the english throne come to be? When they changed their name just before ww1 so to apear les german.


P. S. : The entire humaan race originates from africa.

He was opposed to the Nazis, he formed the government in exile... Please provide a source of how Thatcher was responisible you stupid fucking twat.

The queen has a Grandmother who happened to be german, it's how royal families tend to work. Her husband is from greece, it's been the house of windsor for the last 100 years, there's no need for racism though. I'm proud of the fact I'm about 1 percent German.

P.S your mentally retarded

[NzForever]

I dont hate the uk, but for us
-To many fat people, its a big problem. Learn to control to weight.
-Its a country full of racist people
-Alot of them have no life and sit on the xbox all day.
-There unfit, they need to get out and play a sport.

[PinkFloyd]

Exactly correct.

The list goes on too. Oh, and thanks for the compliment. :)

[tovaris]

He was opposed to the Nazis, he formed the government in exile... Please provide a source of how Thatcher was responisible you stupid fucking twat.

The queen has a Grandmother who happened to be german, it's how royal families tend to work. Her husband is from greece, it's been the house of windsor for the last 100 years, there's no need for racism though. I'm proud of the fact I'm about 1 percent German.

P.S your mentally retarded

His goverment signed a pakt with the Ntzy and escaped at the first sign of truble, he betraied his people and was so convicted exiled by the people.
Tatcher caused the deft ot thousends of just born enfants, the elderly and those who couldent aford helthcare.
What house was in the british throne before the house of Windsor (couincidentely a castel has the same name)?

[Harry Smith]

His goverment signed a pakt with the Ntzy and escaped at the first sign of truble, he betraied his people and was so convicted exiled by the people.
Tatcher caused the deft ot thousends of just born enfants, the elderly and those who couldent aford helthcare.
What house was in the british throne before the house of Windsor (couincidentely a castel has the same name)?

Just because are royal family is german is nothing to do with the quality of life in Britain. I'm sure you have German blood.

Also sorry your fucking thick, we have free healthcare in this country....

[tovaris]

Just because are royal family is german is nothing to do with the quality of life in Britain. I'm sure you have German blood.


No the fact that their german doesent change much ith the fact they turn by the wind.

[Harry Smith]

No the fact that their german doesent change much ith the fact they turn by the wind.

What?

[britishboy]

our royal family is British and has nothing to do with Germany they are head of state for the UK and commonwealth they might have a little German blood but no loyalty to Germany only the UK and commonwealth.

[Stronk Serb]

Just because are royal family is german is nothing to do with the quality of life in Britain. I'm sure you have German blood.

Also sorry your fucking thick, we have free healthcare in this country....



So do we since WWII. It amuses me how you blindly believe the words of the western propaganda, or as you call it "western media". Give maticek a break, at least he is trying to spell better. Albanians still commit crimes against Serbs and NATO troops (both the Americans and the Brits included) are not doing anything. Now the Serbs on Kosovo are like Jews in the ghetto and it was caused mostly by you. The NATO is a lie. The Warsaw Pact at least gave us the courtesy of knowing what their goal is. The NATO is lying about it. Pathetic.

[britishboy]

NATO is not a country its a group of countries who work together for each others security and they share military break thrus etc they also fight for world peace I don't agree with all their methods they are fans of peace and don't want war and when they go to war its for good. anyone who thinks differently lives in a third world county and a victim of propaganda

[Stronk Serb]

NATO is not a country its a group of countries who work together for each others security and they share military break thrus etc they also fight for world peace I don't agree with all their methods they are fans of peace and don't want war and when they go to war its for good. anyone who thinks differently lives in a third world county and a victim of propaganda



You think I do not know that about NATO? Still, it's pathetic how they hide their goals behind the "world peace" idea. As I reccall, Serbia is not a third world country, I just do not buy that western propaganda crap. You cannot achieve peace through more war.

[Harry Smith]

So do we since WWII. It amuses me how you blindly believe the words of the western propaganda, or as you call it "western media". Give maticek a break, at least he is trying to spell better. Albanians still commit crimes against Serbs and NATO troops (both the Americans and the Brits included) are not doing anything. Now the Serbs on Kosovo are like Jews in the ghetto and it was caused mostly by you. The NATO is a lie. The Warsaw Pact at least gave us the courtesy of knowing what their goal is. The NATO is lying about it. Pathetic.

once again simply placing propaganda in front of something doesn't mean that your correct. I'm sure the Albanians still commit crimes, I was merely stating that the Bombing of Yugoslavia was justified due to the fact it helped stopped not only a war but also a genocide. If you love the western Pact so much then join it, we'll all know where you lot stood during the Cold war with your lovely Dictator.

[Ace of Spades]

NATO is not a country its a group of countries who work together for each others security and they share military break thrus etc they also fight for world peace I don't agree with all their methods they are fans of peace and don't want war and when they go to war its for good. anyone who thinks differently lives in a third world county and a victim of propaganda

That's a little close-minded and absolutist don't you think? I'm not arguing against NATO, I support the existence of NATO and their goals. All I am saying is that stating that "you're right and anybody who disagrees is a blind and uninformed" is counter-productive in the conversation.

[britishboy]

That's a little close-minded and absolutist don't you think? I'm not arguing against NATO, I support the existence of NATO and their goals. All I am saying is that stating that "you're right and anybody who disagrees is a blind and uninformed" is counter-productive in the conversation.

I don't care what you think it's a fact.

[Ace of Spades]

I don't care what you think it's a fact.

Wow, take a chill pill. There is no need to be so nasty and belligerent.

[tovaris]

once again simply placing propaganda in front of something doesn't mean that your correct. I'm sure the Albanians still commit crimes, I was merely stating that the Bombing of Yugoslavia was justified due to the fact it helped stopped not only a war but also a genocide. If you love the western Pact so much then join it, we'll all know where you lot stood during the Cold war with your lovely Dictator.

It is not propaganda the bombing of the two republics had no meaning or use other than that the westerners could show of their mighty wepons, it did not stop a genocide of Albanians because there was no genocide to stop.
It is known where our people stood during the cold war and i resent my slovenian countrymen for joining the NATO pact but im proud to say that Srbija stil stands firm not swaied to one side or the other, curently an observer in the Non-Aligned Movement.
What dictator are you talkin about we got rid of the king just after WWII?

[Harry Smith]

It is not propaganda the bombing of the two republics had no meaning or use other than that the westerners could show of their mighty wepons, it did not stop a genocide of Albanians because there was no genocide to stop.
It is known where our people stood during the cold war and i resent my slovenian countrymen for joining the NATO pact but im proud to say that Srbija stil stands firm not swaied to one side or the other, curently an observer in the Non-Aligned Movement.
What dictator are you talkin about we got rid of the king just after WWII?

Tito.

"The appalling accounts of mass killing in Kosovo and the pictures of refugees fleeing Serb oppression for their lives makes it clear that this is a fight for justice over genocide." On CBS' Face the Nation Cohen claimed, "We've now seen about 100,000 military-aged men missing... They may have been murdered Clinton, citing the same figure, spoke of "at least 100,000 (Kosovar Albanians) missing". Later, Clinton said about Yugoslav elections, "they're going to have to come to grips with what Mr. Milošević ordered in Kosovo... They're going to have to decide whether they support his leadership or not; whether they think it's OK that all those tens of thousands of people were killed...".

In 2001, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) judged that the 1995 Srebrenica massacre was genocide.[17] In the unanimous ruling "Prosecutor v. Krstić", the Appeals Chamber of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY), located in The Hague, reaffirmed that the Srebrenica massacre was genocide,[18] the Presiding Judge Theodor Meron stating:
By seeking to eliminate a part of the Bosnian Muslims, the Bosnian SERB forces committed genocide. They targeted for extinction the forty thousand Bosnian Muslims living in Srebrenica, a group which was emblematic of the Bosnian Muslims in general. They stripped all the male Muslim prisoners, military and civilian, elderly and young, of their personal belongings and identification, and deliberately and methodically killed them solely on the basis of their identity.

e Škabrnja massacre (Croatian: Masakr u Škabrnji), also known as Škabrnja and Nadin massacre, was a war crime perpetrated by Serb Army forces during the Croatian War of Independence.Serb Army forces killed 7 Prisoners of war and 62 civilians by March 1992. Several people also died when stepping on landmines. In total, 86 people were killed, mostly the women, or the elderly.[3] Škabrnja and Nadin were ethnically cleansed of its non-Serb population and annexed to the Republic of Serbian Krajina, remaining there until the Croatian forces reintegrated them back in 1. THIS IS A WAR CRIME

[tovaris]

Tito.

"The appalling accounts of mass killing in Kosovo and the pictures of refugees fleeing Serb oppression for their lives makes it clear that this is a fight for justice over genocide." On CBS' Face the Nation Cohen claimed, "We've now seen about 100,000 military-aged men missing... They may have been murdered Clinton, citing the same figure, spoke of "at least 100,000 (Kosovar Albanians) missing". Later, Clinton said about Yugoslav elections, "they're going to have to come to grips with what Mr. Milošević ordered in Kosovo... They're going to have to decide whether they support his leadership or not; whether they think it's OK that all those tens of thousands of people were killed...".

In 2001, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) judged that the 1995 Srebrenica massacre was genocide.[17] In the unanimous ruling "Prosecutor v. Krstić", the Appeals Chamber of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY), located in The Hague, reaffirmed that the Srebrenica massacre was genocide,[18] the Presiding Judge Theodor Meron stating:
By seeking to eliminate a part of the Bosnian Muslims, the Bosnian SERB forces committed genocide. They targeted for extinction the forty thousand Bosnian Muslims living in Srebrenica, a group which was emblematic of the Bosnian Muslims in general. They stripped all the male Muslim prisoners, military and civilian, elderly and young, of their personal belongings and identification, and deliberately and methodically killed them solely on the basis of their identity.

e Škabrnja massacre (Croatian: Masakr u Škabrnji), also known as Škabrnja and Nadin massacre, was a war crime perpetrated by Serb Army forces during the Croatian War of Independence.Serb Army forces killed 7 Prisoners of war and 62 civilians by March 1992. Several people also died when stepping on landmines. In total, 86 people were killed, mostly the women, or the elderly.[3] Škabrnja and Nadin were ethnically cleansed of its non-Serb population and annexed to the Republic of Serbian Krajina, remaining there until the Croatian forces reintegrated them back in 1. THIS IS A WAR CRIME

Tovariš Josip Broz TITO was no dictator he was elected president and did not side with the west or the est.
Those fact you state for Kosovo are mesleding, read: Istina o srbskoj historiji.
As a said before and i will say again, the crimes commited in the serbo-croatian war (for there was no croatian war of independanse it was a war betveen two nationalistik leders who wanted to expand their countris teritory) and the war in Bosnia on all sides are terible crimes and the people resonsabe should be sentinced to a sutible punishment.

[britishboy]

why is everyone going on about Serbia that was only a bit of bombing NATO didn't really get involved what even happened? I know they had a dictator who wanted to kill certain races and I know NATO bombed them a bit but how did it all end? and yes I know they blame all there failures on the fact we bombed them lol. pm me or reply to this post about how it ended etc thanks in advance!:)

[Stronk Serb]

once again simply placing propaganda in front of something doesn't mean that your correct. I'm sure the Albanians still commit crimes, I was merely stating that the Bombing of Yugoslavia was justified due to the fact it helped stopped not only a war but also a genocide. If you love the western Pact so much then join it, we'll all know where you lot stood during the Cold war with your lovely Dictator.

Haha, Josip Broz might have been a dictator, but we had more freedom then the US and UK citizens.

[britishboy]

Haha, Josip Broz might have been a dictator, but we had more freedom then the US and UK citizens.

America and the UK is famous for freedom haha you idiot do you even know what freedom is or just listen to your propaganda haha

[Stronk Serb]

America and the UK is famous for freedom haha you idiot do you even know what freedom is or just listen to your propaganda haha



Says a brainwashed victim of the western propaganda. It is a fact, as a Yugoslav citizen durimg the Cold War you could go everywhere, while the UK and US citizens were not permitted to enter Warsaw Pact countries. Read about something before posting irrelevant bullshit dumbass.

[Harry Smith]

Says a brainwashed victim of the western propaganda. It is a fact, as a Yugoslav citizen durimg the Cold War you could go everywhere, while the UK and US citizens were not permitted to enter Warsaw Pact countries. Read about something before posting irrelevant bullshit dumbass.

Yes freedom of movement make up a very small portions of Liberty, also UK and US civilians could in fact enter the warsaw pact, I know that for a fact because my Uncle worked for a Brewery in Poland in the 80's.

However you seem to forget that under Golden Tito you couldn't Even Vote... that's the number one hallmark of Liberty...

[tovaris]

Yes freedom of movement make up a very small portions of Liberty, also UK and US civilians could in fact enter the warsaw pact, I know that for a fact because my Uncle worked for a Brewery in Poland in the 80's.

However you seem to forget that under Golden Tito you couldn't Even Vote... that's the number one hallmark of Liberty...

We could ended vote in socialist Yugoslavija enione could even activly join the politicks no mather of gender race or class, my grandfather born in a pur rural famila became a member of the party and was wery active localy.

[Abigballofdust]

Tovariš Josip Broz TITO was no dictator he was elected president and did not side with the west or the est.
Those fact you state for Kosovo are mesleding, read: Istina o srbskoj historiji.
As a said before and i will say again, the crimes commited in the serbo-croatian war (for there was no croatian war of independanse it was a war betveen two nationalistik leders who wanted to expand their countris teritory) and the war in Bosnia on all sides are terible crimes and the people resonsabe should be sentinced to a sutible punishment.

Wrong. Even though there may have been some expanding ideas underneath (splitting Bosnia, I.E.), on the Croatian part and on Croatian soil the '91. war was a 100% independence war.
What do you call a war where you fight to bring back territories that belong to you?

[Harry Smith]

We could ended vote in socialist Yugoslavija enione could even activly join the politicks no mather of gender race or class, my grandfather born in a pur rural famila became a member of the party and was wery active localy.

could ended voted?

[Stronk Serb]

Yes freedom of movement make up a very small portions of Liberty, also UK and US civilians could in fact enter the warsaw pact, I know that for a fact because my Uncle worked for a Brewery in Poland in the 80's.

However you seem to forget that under Golden Tito you couldn't Even Vote... that's the number one hallmark of Liberty...


We could vote, and the will of the people was enforced, student protests were causing real changes, but when Tito grew old, he could not keep everything in check, when he died, Yugislavia fell apart.

[Harry Smith]

We could vote, and the will of the people was enforced, student protests were causing real changes, but when Tito grew old, he could not keep everything in check, when he died, Yugislavia fell apart.

Already the virtual dictator of Yugoslavia, he won a major electoral victory in Nov., 1945, at the head of the Communist-dominated National Liberation Front, whose candidates were the only ones permitted to run in the election

This sounds like fair voting doesn't it?

[CaliFly014]

I live in the USA and yes our government has some weak areas but it still keeps the rest of the world together. The US is a fine country and you people are too ignorant to understand. The UK is our allies and they seem pretty good at what they do. I think these two counties are the only two countries preventing WWIII from happening. Your hate on these countries just makes us stronger.

[Stronk Serb]

Already the virtual dictator of Yugoslavia, he won a major electoral victory in Nov., 1945, at the head of the Communist-dominated National Liberation Front, whose candidates were the only ones permitted to run in the election

This sounds like fair voting doesn't it?



Why would they change a system which was good? Besides, almost all people old enough to vote were in the party, 95% of the voting population at least was in the party. So, my grandfather could've been a candidate in the government if he wanted to.

[Harry Smith]

Why would they change a system which was good? Besides, almost all people old enough to vote were in the party, 95% of the voting population at least was in the party. So, my grandfather could've been a candidate in the government if he wanted to.

This isn't how democracy works, it's like how many Germans joined the Nazi part in the 30's purely for the fact it helped career prospects, or how people joined the Baathist party in Iraq. They didn't do it out of support, they did it out of fear. But what if your grandfather happened to want to stand against Tito as a capitalist party member?

[Stronk Serb]

This isn't how democracy works, it's like how many Germans joined the Nazi part in the 30's purely for the fact it helped career prospects, or how people joined the Baathist party in Iraq. They didn't do it out of support, they did it out of fear. But what if your grandfather happened to want to stand against Tito as a capitalist party member?

There was no other party, everyone was in the Communist Party of Yugoslavia (KPJ) and could become a candidate. It worked well, untill Tito died, and Slobodan Milosevic, Alija Izetbegovic and that Croatian nationalist, forgot the name, waged war and fucked uo the country 12 years after Tito's death.

[Harry Smith]

There was no other party, everyone was in the Communist Party of Yugoslavia (KPJ) and could become a candidate. It worked well, untill Tito died, and Slobodan Milosevic, Alija Izetbegovic and that Croatian nationalist, forgot the name, waged war and fucked uo the country 12 years after Tito's death.

Then it was a single party state- the essence of a dictatorship

[Stronk Serb]

Then it was a single party state- the essence of a dictatorship

We had freedom of speech. We had more freedom then the US where children were expelled out of schools for protesting against the Vietnam war. Yugoslavs could protest on wenever and about whatever they wanted.

[Harry Smith]

We had freedom of speech. We had more freedom then the US where children were expelled out of schools for protesting against the Vietnam war. Yugoslavs could protest on wenever and about whatever they wanted.

If you look at both the manga carta and the US constitution both of them outline the right to free speech with the US constitution specifically enabling it, I also assume you have a source about students getting expelled for peaceful protests about the Vietnam war?

Your trying to make out that Yugoslavia was a free country when you couldn't even vote...

[britishboy]

We had freedom of speech. We had more freedom then the US where children were expelled out of schools for protesting against the Vietnam war. Yugoslavs could protest on wenever and about whatever they wanted.

your an idiot the UK and USA are famous for freedom and free speech where are you from Mr victim of propaganda?

[Stronk Serb]

If you look at both the manga carta and the US constitution both of them outline the right to free speech with the US constitution specifically enabling it, I also assume you have a source about students getting expelled for peaceful protests about the Vietnam war?

Your trying to make out that Yugoslavia was a free country when you couldn't even vote...

I have the source, it will take a day or two to find the book, it is somewhere in the basement, I will PM it to you. I will not look for it right away due to school obligations. I have to practice for the final tests, IDK how you call them there. I believ the book is written by authors from some of the NATO countries, so I think it will make it more historically accurrate.

your an idiot the UK and USA are famous for freedom and free speech where are you from Mr victim of propaganda?

Look at yourself, calling people names just because they do not agree with you? That is ignorant and close minded, YOU are taking away my right of free speech and putting in YOUR propaganda bullshit whenever I say something that contradicts it, YOU are telling me that I am not entitled to my independent opinion, that is what dictators do. YOU sound like an idiot while doing that. I am not of English decent, and I know your own language better then you. As your signature says, the road to forgiveness starts when you realize that the other person is a complete idiot. I have realized that and I forgive you.

[britishboy]

I have the source, it will take a day or two to find the book, it is somewhere in the attic, I will PM it to you.



Look at yourself, calling people names just because they do not agree with you? YOU sound like an idiot. I am not of English decent, and I know your own language better then you. As your signature says, the road to forgiveness starts when you realize that the other person is a complete idiot. I have realized that and I forgive you.

HAHAHA WHAT ARE YOU FIVE? and I'm surprised with your brain you can even speak and post it don't pm it. and it sounds like more propaganda. where are you from?

[StoppingTime]

Please keep away from name calling and off topic posts, otherwise, this will be locked, and infractions will be given out. This will be the only warning.

[Stronk Serb]

HAHAHA WHAT ARE YOU FIVE? and I'm surprised with your brain you can even speak and post it don't pm it. and it sounds like more propaganda. where are you from?



I am not telling you that you are stupid for having your opinion. I have my opinion, and you say that I am an idiot for having an opinion which contradicts yours, and are telling me that I am wrong. That is what dictators do, although you have not yet thrown me in a cold cell an forced me to eat rats. I am joking about the cell and rats part. But still, that is what dictators do. They do not let you have your own opinion. I am from Serbia, me and Harry are talking about Yugoslavia, before it fell apart and six new states were made, Serbia included.

[britishboy]

I am not telling you that you are stupid for having your opinion. I have my opinion, and you say that I am an idiot for having an opinion which contradicts yours, and are telling me that I am wrong. That is what dictators do, although you have not yet thrown me in a cold cell an forced me to eat rats. I am joking about the cell and rats part. But still, that is what dictators do. They do not let you have your own opinion. I am from Serbia, me and Harry are talking about Yugoslavia, before it fell apart and six new states were made, Serbia included.

I'm sorry lol I was having a heated argument with a REAL IDIOT who think the UK and US are under dictators and feed propaganda I just came on here not really reading and started moaning sorry:/ awkward haha

[Stronk Serb]

I'm sorry lol I was having a heated argument with a REAL IDIOT who think the UK and US are under dictators and feed propaganda I just came on here not really reading and started moaning sorry:/ awkward haha



Comrade, did I state that they were/are under dictators? What I meant was is that you are against me excersising my right of free speech which I have in Serbia and in your beloved UK & US. You are against me stating what I think about the NATO alliance and the US and the UK. If I said in public that the Serbian president is an asshole, where everybody can hear me, I will not get taken into custody, maybe for an unregistered protest, but I doubt it
since it was only me, not a group of people

P.S: You are calling me an idiot for stating my opinion which proves my point that you are behaving like a dictator.

[Harry Smith]

Comrade, did I state that they were/are under dictators? What I meant was is that you are against me excersising my right of free speech which I have in Serbia and in your beloved UK & US. You are against me stating what I think about the NATO alliance and the US and the UK. If I said in public that the Serbian president is an asshole, where everybody can hear me, I will not get taken into custody, maybe for an unregistered protest, but I doubt it since it was only me, not a group of people.

I actually agree with you, as much as we have disagreed on this thread you never actually said that we were under dictatorship. Also not everybody over here is like BritishBoy

[Stronk Serb]

I actually agree with you, as much as we have disagreed on this thread you never actually said that we were under dictatorship. Also not everybody over here is like BritishBoy



Yeah, no matter how much you did not like my opinion, you never called me an idiot or something else. Comrade, this is a heated debate, and we are trying to keep it civil, I am sure about the two of us trying to keep it that way.

[Left Now]

I actually agree with you, as much as we have disagreed on this thread you never actually said that we were under dictatorship. Also not everybody over here is like BritishBoy
Who said UK and US are under dictatorship?Fake...They are good with their own people but they have to change their way of behavior with other smaller nations...
For example you are not rightful to choose for other countries future but you are doing it...
UK and US are two of the best countries of the world but for their own people and their fans(i am one of them but blame them too because of their transgressions)...
Many of the people in my country believe that they will have a better life in their own country instead of living in UK and US.So they will support their country against any thread...

[Stronk Serb]

Who said UK and US are under dictatorship?Fake...They are good with their own people but they have to change their way of behavior with other smaller nations...
For example you are not rightful to choose for other countries future but you are doing it...
UK and US are two of the best countries of the world but for their own people and their fans(i am one of them but blame them too because of their transgressions)...
Many of the people in my country believe that they will have a better life in their own country instead of living in UK and US.So they will support their country against any thread...

Comrade, I think you said on of the smartest things in this debate.

[britishboy]

Comrade, did I state that they were/are under dictators? What I meant was is that you are against me excersising my right of free speech which I have in Serbia and in your beloved UK & US. You are against me stating what I think about the NATO alliance and the US and the UK. If I said in public that the Serbian president is an asshole, where everybody can hear me, I will not get taken into custody, maybe for an unregistered protest, but I doubt it
since it was only me, not a group of people

P.S: You are calling me an idiot for stating my opinion which proves my point that you are behaving like a dictator.

I did not mean you lol:) and I really don't care about Serbia we have no problem with serbia

[britishboy]

god why am I getting so much hate? lets keep this civil?

[Stronk Serb]

I did not mean you lol:) and I really don't care about Serbia we have no problem with serbia



Lol, I thought you were sarcastic. Sorry.

[Professional Russian]

The US authorities (all kinds of) can kiss my ass, I am not yielding to their imperialist, facist, capitalist rule ever. Same for the UK to. I do not reognize their authority.

When LT. Comes breaking down your door you'll recognize that authority

[Stronk Serb]

When LT. Comes breaking down your door you'll recognize that authority


No I will not.

[Professional Russian]

No I will not.

Then you my friend are going to get shot

[Stronk Serb]

Then you my friend are going to get shot

Better the grave then a imperialist slave.

[Professional Russian]

Better the grave then a imperialist slave.

We don't enslave people you know that right?

[Stronk Serb]

We don't enslave people you know that right?

Technically, no. But I refuse to bow down to puppet states.

[Professional Russian]

Technically, no. But I refuse to bow down to puppet states.

What do you mean bow down? We don't bow down to anyone.

[levil3160]

i am from israel and i very love usa and brits:)
beautiful Countries .i think the world hate usa and brits because they Jealous.

[britishboy]

i am from israel and i very love usa and brits:)
beautiful Countries .i think the world hate usa and brits because they Jealous.

exactly haha:D we love Israel as well that's why were allies:)

[Stronk Serb]

What do you mean bow down? We don't bow down to anyone.

Puppet states established in the Middle East are dependent of the US, so serving those states is, to some extent serving the US. If Serbia ever becomes a puppet state, I will never accept it's authority.

[britishboy]

Puppet states established in the Middle East are dependent of the US, so serving those states is, to some extent serving the US. If Serbia ever becomes a puppet state, I will never accept it's authority.

we have no interest in Serbia haha don't wurry:') you don't look like your gonna do the racist thing again, no threat to peace and no oil haha:') and you say you won't accept it but you would if it happened what you gonna do break all the laws? kill your leaders? yeah that ain't gonna do you much good:)

[Left Now]

People have their own right to have their own type of government.

[britishboy]

People have their own right to have their own type of government.

yeah or unless they want to be ruled by something like a commonwealth or if the government breaks international law they should be removed from power

[likemike]

America is not the bad guy you make it out to be.

[Stronk Serb]

we have no interest in Serbia haha don't wurry:') you don't look like your gonna do the racist thing again, no threat to peace and no oil haha:') and you say you won't accept it but you would if it happened what you gonna do break all the laws? kill your leaders? yeah that ain't gonna do you much good:)



Nah, I will just refuse to vote. I would write on the voting pamphlet:
Fuck you all, I am not voting for you corrupt moneygrabbers, I vote for myself!

[Professional Russian]

Nah, I will just refuse to vote. I would write on the voting pamphlet:
Fuck you all, I am not voting for you corrupt moneygrabbers, I vote for myself!

Calling the US money grabbers? That's a lie :P

[Stronk Serb]

America is not the bad guy you make it out to be.


It is, read page 2-3 of this thread.

[DoodleSnap]

I think it is unfair to dislike a country as a whole, you may dislike some people in that country, and that is fair enough, but to make a sweeping generalisation is ignorant.

[Stronk Serb]

Calling the US money grabbers? That's a lie :P

I meant about the candidates for the elections if Serbia would become a US puppet state. I would do that anyway, since Serbia gets pretty much the same government which is equally incompetent and corrupt on all it's terms since the nineties untill today. The US are not money grabbers, they are oil grabbers.

[Professional Russian]

I meant about the candidates for the elections if Serbia would become a US puppet state. I would do that anyway, since Serbia gets pretty much the same government which is equally incompetent and corrupt on all it's terms since the nineties untill today. The US are not money grabbers, they are oil grabbers.

No they want your ,money. Trust me

[Stronger]

i am from israel and i very love usa and brits:)
beautiful Countries .i think the world hate usa and brits because they Jealous.

Probably this :P since the US gives its citizens a lot more freedoms then most other countries, not sure how the UK is with its freedoms though.

[Stronk Serb]

No they want your ,money. Trust me

Like I did not know that? Since Milosevic and continuing to this day, corruption spreads.

[britishboy]

Like I did not know that? Since Milosevic and continuing to this day, corruption spreads.

why do you not like us? we saved your country

[Stronk Serb]

why do you not like us? we saved your country

Because of deliberate targeting of civilian objects, you did not save us, since the same shit gets repeated since Milosevic, the only change happened when Djindjic became premier, but he got killed because he was combating corruption.

[Stronger]

Because of deliberate targeting of civilian objects, you did not save us, since the same shit gets repeated since Milosevic, the only change happened when Djindjic became premier, but he got killed because he was combating corruption.

No, as far as I can tell, they were not deliberate, it just so happened that they were hit the hardest, which is why this NATO bombing was highly unfavored.

(I assume we are talking about the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia?)

[britishboy]

Because of deliberate targeting of civilian objects, you did not save us, since the same shit gets repeated since Milosevic, the only change happened when Djindjic became premier, but he got killed because he was combating corruption.

they were trying to wipe out a race and would of if we didn't stop them why would we target civilians? waste of a bomb its not gonna help the war effort if you really believe this then you really are ignorant or a victim of propaganda

[Stronk Serb]

No, as far as I can tell, they were not deliberate, it just so happened that they were hit the hardest, which is why this NATO bombing was highly unfavored.

(I assume we are talking about the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia?)

Yes, why didn't the UN tell them to stop? And since when is a direct hit at a tobbacco factory a miss? A direct hit at a hospital, which was mostly evacuated, but civilians were killed.and army personell helping the evacuation, hitting the national television building and completely demolishing one of it's wings? If the US were using WWII-era bombs, I would understand, but they used modern weapons, which are almost pinpoint accurrate. Those weren't misses. Those were deliberately targeted objectives.

they were trying to wipe out a race and would of if we didn't stop them why would we target civilians? waste of a bomb its not gonna help the war effort if you really believe this then you really are ignorant or a victim of propaganda



Tell that to the families of the civilians killed in NATO bombings.


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[Harry Smith]

Yes, why didn't the UN tell them to stop? And since when is a direct hit at a tobbacco factory a miss? A direct hit at a hospital, which was mostly evacuated, but civilians were killed.and army personell helping the evacuation, hitting the national television building and completely demolishing one of it's wings? If the US were using WWII-era bombs, I would understand, but they used modern weapons, which are almost pinpoint accurrate. Those weren't misses. Those were deliberately targeted objectives.

ALMOST PINPOINT... do you think every single bomb is 100 percent accurate.

Also your idea about NATO targetting hospitals on purpose makes no sense? Number 1 do you have any proof such as documented orders that the pilots were told to target hospitals? Also why would NATO bomb hospitals on purpose when they have nothing to gain from it?

[Stronger]

Yes, why didn't the UN tell them to stop? And since when is a direct hit at a tobbacco factory a miss? A direct hit at a hospital, which was mostly evacuated, but civilians were killed.and army personell helping the evacuation, hitting the national television building and completely demolishing one of it's wings? If the US were using WWII-era bombs, I would understand, but they used modern weapons, which are almost pinpoint accurrate. Those weren't misses. Those were deliberately targeted objectives.

Tell that to the families of the civilians killed in NATO bombings.

-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

I don't know too much on this, but I would imagine that they were not the targets, but military personnel were, so that Yugoslavia would withdraw troops from Kosovo.

[Stronk Serb]

I don't know too much on this, but I would imagine that they were not the targets, but military personnel were, so that Yugoslavia would withdraw troops from Kosovo,

So why not target one of the busier hospitals in Belgrade to kill 3 soldiers? Who cares for the 3 newborn babies killed.

[Stronger]

So why not target one of the busier hospitals in Belgrade to kill 3 soldiers? Who cares for the 3 newborn babies killed.

I couldn't tell you that answer, I don't think NATO realized the damage done until after it was already conducted.

[Stronk Serb]

Source about the targetings: a free media service from Serbia.
Source (http://www.novosti.rs/dodatni_sadrzaj/clanci.119.html:279557-Krvave-ulice-Beograda)


PS: Use Google Chrome to translate the page to English


I couldn't tell you that answer, I don't think NATO realized the damage done until after it was already conducted.


Why the hell target a building with a red cross on it? Are the NATO pilots colorblind?

[Stronger]

Source about the targetings: a free media service from Serbia.
Source (http://www.novosti.rs/dodatni_sadrzaj/clanci.119.html:279557-Krvave-ulice-Beograda)


PS: Use Google Chrome to translate the page to English





Why the hell target a building with a red cross on it? Are the NATO pilots colorblind?

Apparently from an article the bomb or missile was aimed at an army barracks that was extremely close to the hospital, and that the guiding system was off.

[britishboy]

first of all Serbia was no war so stop thinking what happened in Serbia is big news it's not... secondly your thinking of modern day weapon accuracy thirdly the media may be free but the people running it may bend the truth, we saved your country if we wanted to kill you we would not be talking... there would just be a big creator

[Stronk Serb]

first of all Serbia was no war so stop thinking what happened in Serbia is big news it's not... secondly your thinking of modern day weapon accuracy thirdly the media may be free but the people running it may bend the truth, we saved your country if we wanted to kill you we would not be talking... there would just be a big creator

How can I metaphorically say this...
You were putting a fire out with gasoline.
The guidance system could have been turned on. I do not know why you targeted the national television, bridges full of civilians, and the tobbacco factory in Nis, the Zastava weapons factory (due to sanctions, the production was halted.

[Bethany]

first of all Serbia was no war so stop thinking what happened in Serbia is big news it's not... secondly your thinking of modern day weapon accuracy thirdly the media may be free but the people running it may bend the truth, we saved your country if we wanted to kill you we would not be talking... there would just be a big creator

A "big creator"?

[Stronk Serb]

A "big creator"?
]
He probably mrant "crater".

[britishboy]

I did mean crater haha:D

[britishboy]

How can I metaphorically say this...
You were putting a fire out with gasoline.
The guidance system could have been turned on. I do not know why you targeted the national television, bridges full of civilians, and the tobbacco factory in Nis, the Zastava weapons factory (due to sanctions, the production was halted.

national tv... propaganda
bridges... slowing the movement of troops
tobacco factory... it could have been a mistake? or maybe they were gonna convert the tobacco factory in to a weapons factory
zastava weapons factory could have been re opened

[Stronk Serb]

national tv... propaganda
bridges... slowing the movement of troops
tobacco factory... it could have been a mistake? or maybe they were gonna convert the tobacco factory in to a weapons factory
zastava weapons factory could have been re opened

Civillians were identified crossing, the bombs were dropped.
Tobbacco factory, there would be no need convertimg it, there are no materials to make weapons, and it uses different manufactoring machines.
Zastava, they had no materials to produce even bullets. The army used what they had stockpiled before the sanctions.

[britishboy]

Civillians were identified crossing, the bombs were dropped.
Tobbacco factory, there would be no need convertimg it, there are no materials to make weapons, and it uses different manufactoring machines.
Zastava, they had no materials to produce even bullets. The army used what they had stockpiled before the sanctions.

civilians die in all wars! a couple of days ago 3 british soilders died in Afghanistan!! a tragedy but were still out there risking our lives for peace, we done a similar thing in Serbia, you wasn't worth invading so we taken the enemy out via bombs

[Stronk Serb]

civilians die in all wars! a couple of days ago 3 british soilders died in Afghanistan!! a tragedy but were still out there risking our lives for peace, we done a similar thing in Serbia, you wasn't worth invading so we taken the enemy out via bombs

The planes could've returned a few hours later. It would not make a diference, but there would be no civilians on the bridges. That example, those were soldiers who knew that they might die, not freelance journalists. Peace? There cannot be peace in these times.

[britishboy]

The planes could've returned a few hours later. It would not make a diference, but there would be no civilians on the bridges. That example, those were soldiers who knew that they might die, not freelance journalists. Peace? There cannot be peace in these times.

firstly there are always people on bridges and troops don't always have time on there side and no peace? ive been living in peace my whole life? my countries been at peace after ww2 and we have always been free. so yes there can always be peace what kind of statement is that?

[Stronk Serb]

firstly there are always people on bridges and troops don't always have time on there side and no peace? ive been living in peace my whole life? my countries been at peace after ww2 and we have always been free. so yes there can always be peace what kind of statement is that?


You might have lived in peace, but some countries were ravaged by war. African rebellions, wars on terrorism. It is all war, which proves my statement.

[britishboy]

You might have lived in peace, but some countries were ravaged by war. African rebellions, wars on terrorism. It is all war, which proves my statement.

I'm happy in peace, third world countries are never in peace but we are trying to make peace

[Stronk Serb]

I'm happy in peace, third world countries are never in peace but we are trying to make peace

What I meant is, there is no absolute peace, where were every country is at peace. It will not happen until we unite as a human race, and go forth to conquer the stars, which should happen pretty soon due to a lack of resources.

[britishboy]

What I meant is, there is no absolute peace, where were every country is at peace. It will not happen until we unite as a human race, and go forth to conquer the stars, which should happen pretty soon due to a lack of resources.

completely agree:) and we really need to start more building nuclear power stations and use electric cars cos yeah the resources are running out

[Stronk Serb]

completely agree:) and we really need to start more building nuclear power stations and use electric cars cos yeah the resources are running out

And reach the stars, colonize the universe.


PS: I made a article in the history group

[britishboy]

And reach the stars, colonize the universe.


PS: I made a article in the history group

well we are planning a manned mission to mars in 30 years! just think we will be alive to see the first man on a planet!:) and I'll cheek it out now:)

[tovaris]

why do you not like us? we saved your country

How did you save it? Bi cutting us of from the rest of tze world? By bombind civilians? Dumping old cluster bomb stuckpiles on the country? Arming the albanian traters?