Middle East or Middle eaten?

[Left Now]

Why do you think USA and some Western countries always want to show Iran and Middle Eastern countries as the source of savage or terrorism?
Why didn't they do this before they lost their oil trade partners and their wealth?
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[Jay1]

Because the way you guys go about things is reprehensible to us - public stonings etc don't sit well in the West.

The west was perfectly happy to let you do what you wanted and buy your oil until you pushed it too far - ie using money from the West to attack the West.

We call that biting the hand that feeds you - it never ends well :)

[Magus]

Because the way you guys go about things is reprehensible to us - public stonings etc don't sit well in the West.

Beside Saudi Arabia and Iran that implements Sharia law, tell me one another country that does public stoning?

You see, there's where your argument fails.

Once you hear Middle-Eastern, I bet that image of camel herders who ululates all night and chants Death To America all day pops in your head.

You are worsening the problem, and not making it better, when you vilify everyone who doesn't share the skewed ideals you got and call yourself the hero at the end of the day.

America isn't the only country that needs oil, by the way. Plenty of other's are dependant on it, too. And Saudi, with all the stoning and beheading, has been in good terms with west, in any way.

[Jay1]

Beside Saudi Arabia and Iran that implements Sharia law, tell me one another country that does public stoning?

You see, there's where your argument fails.

The OP is from Tehran. Which country do you think Tehran is in?

And Saudi, with all the stoning and beheading, has been in good terms with west, in any way.

Indeed. Saudi Arabia is not biting the hand that feeds it - the West is prepared to accept their way of life unless/until they start causing trouble.

[Magus]

The OP is from Tehran. Which country do you think Tehran is in?

Does the location of the OP that much relevant? I guess not! He is discussing about Middle-Easterners in general.


Indeed. Saudi Arabia is not biting the hand that feeds it - the West is prepared to accept their way of life unless/until they start causing trouble.

Can you be anymore hypocritical and contradictory?

[Jay1]

Does the location of the OP that much relevant? I guess not! He is discussing about Middle-Easterners in general.

I'd say the location of the OP is very relevant. A guy from Iran asks why the west doesn't like Iran very much - I told him why the west does not like Iran.

If he was from some other country in the middle east I'd have answered the question differently.

Where are you from?

[Bethany]

The western people (I'm talking citizens, not governments) don't like Iran and the Middle East because they're force fed ideas from mass media that every person in the Middle East hates them and wants to annihilate them. Media portrays Middle Eastern men as terrorists and all Middle East women as oppressed and powerless victims. Most people blindly believe this.

The government wants them to think this because the government wants the rich oil resources of the Middle East, and would ideally like to replace all non-western/Israel ally leaders in the Middle East with leaders who support the West and Israel. If the people in the West are afraid of the Middle East, that gives Western governments a lot of leeway, as the people will do anything in the name of "protecting themselves from terrorism".

[Magus]

True, he did.

You did not heed for the people that don't like Iranian government runs for example. And lumped them all as bloodthirsty savages who likes to watch public stoning, and this is exactly what OP is asking.

He is not talking about the government or the political party. He is talking about the people.

So, you are saying every North Korean is Kim Jung worshipping dolt and they all deserve the same labelling?

That's what you did there kid.

Where are you from?

Is it relevant? Assume I am Middle-Easterner and I live in Middle-East for the sake of the argument.

The western people (I'm talking citizens, not governments) don't like Iran and the Middle East because they're force fed ideas from mass media that every person in the Middle East hates them and wants to annihilate them. Media portrays Middle Eastern men as terrorists and all Middle East women as oppressed and powerless victims. Most people blindly believe this.

The government wants them to think this because the government wants the rich oil resources of the Middle East, and would ideally like to replace all non-western/Israel ally leaders in the Middle East with leaders who support the West and Israel. If the people in the West are afraid of the Middle East, that gives Western governments a lot of leeway, as the people will do anything in the name of "protecting themselves from terrorism".

Exactly. Nicely said.

[Jay1]

True, he did.

You did not heed for the people that don't like Iranian government runs for example.

If the OP doesn't like his government that's a different issue - he asked why the west does not like Iran.

If he wants to come back and say he's a really nice guy and he hates being judged by the actions of his government obviously that would be a different question. He would have my sympathy.

Is it relevant? Assume I am Middle-Easterner and I live in Middle-East for the sake of the argument.

But you are not a middle eastener who lives in the middle east - that's why I asked the question.

Why not say where you live?

[Left Now]

So you told your thinks...now let me tell you mine...
All the thing they want is to regain their cheap oil resources....Saudi Arabia is not a government of Islam it just calls itself as the leader of the Islamic world...US even didn't feed us anything...UK in iran bought the oil in the lowest cost while our people were in exact food shortage and poorness.US again sold the Pahlavi regime the grain in a high price when our own farmers didn't have enough costumers to buy their products...
By islamic republic,UK and US sold a lot of weapons to Saddam to prevent Iran from reaching to independence.US always wanted Iran to be his vassal always...
Your governments just want to serve their own people in price of everything...
Even killing a little 8 months child...
Surely islam won't let us to kill a person as a victim...And this is the difference between yours(government) and ours...
Also a terrorism is not a muslim...Iranian people were the main victims of terrorism since 30 years ago...And now the US government showed our people how is the terrorism in America by supporting the Mojahedin-e-Khalq.
The terrorism in American and European governments dictionary means:"Something that will prevent us to reach our goals."not "Something which threat the humanity"
Now you cannot tell bitting the hand that fed you...Because your countries just poisoned us...However Do you really think Saudi Arabia follows the Islam's law?
If you do you are exactly stupid(sorry for telling this but the truth is not always sweet)

[Jay1]

So you told your thinks...now let me tell you mine...
All the thing they want is to regain their cheap oil resources....Saudi Arabia is not a government of Islam it just calls itself as the leader of the Islamic world...US even didn't feed us anything...UK in iran bought the oil in the lowest cost

That is nonsense - Iran is a member of OPEC which puts the price of oil up not down. There is no way on earth the UK ever got "cheap" oil from Iran.

while our people were in exact food shortage and poorness.

Fault of your government - you can't blame the UK for that.

Now you cannot tell bitting the hand that fed you...Because your countries just poisoned us..

You poisoned yourself. Saudi Arabia + (Kuwait/Abu Dhabi) are very wealthy countries because they sell oil to the West. We might not like the way they run their country but unless they turn on us we'll let them do what they want - live and let live. If they want to behead a guy for whatever reason we might not like it but we won't complain. These countries can also rely on robust military support from the west should they ever need it.

By contrast you guys have set yourself against the west - that's your choice but you can hardly complain if we don't like you.

[Bethany]

So you told your thinks...now let me tell you mine...
All the thing they want is to regain their cheap oil resources....Saudi Arabia is not a government of Islam it just calls itself as the leader of the Islamic world...US even didn't feed us anything...UK in iran bought the oil in the lowest cost while our people were in exact food shortage and poorness.US again sold the Pahlavi regime the grain in a high price when our own farmers didn't have enough costumers to buy their products...
By islamic republic,UK and US sold a lot of weapons to Saddam to prevent Iran from reaching to independence.US always wanted Iran to be his vassal always...
Your governments just want to serve their own people in price of everything...

Agree. Also, the US puts its oil corporations ahead of the interests of the people in the Middle East (and oftentimes ahead of the interests of its own people).


Now you cannot tell bitting the hand that fed you...Because your countries just poisoned us...However Do you really think Saudi Arabia follows the Islam's law?
If you do you are exactly stupid(sorry for telling this but the truth is not always sweet)

The people who believe that aren't stupid, just horribly ignorant. And unfortunately, the people who believe Islam condones murder and terror are common and usually accepted in the US.

[Left Now]

FOR JAY1
Didn't you get?Go and read history friend...About 100 years ago in Pahlavi regime UK bought oil from iran in a the lowest price...but now iran is member of OPEC..In iran today we do not have any person who dies because of hunger but In past Iran which was allied to west and specially US and UK,we had such persons who couldn't get even a little piece of bread...Why?Because the government of Pahlavi was spending its money on US and UK support and didn't do anything to improve the financial problems of people...
Saudi Arabia just is wasting its oil and after their oil get finished,US will throw them away like a piece of garbage...

[Jay1]

FOR JAY1
Didn't you get?Go and read history friend...About 100 years ago in Pahlavi regime UK bought oil from iran in a the lowest price...but now iran is member of OPEC

Not interested in 100 years ago it's today that matters. 100 years the west didn't have a huge need for oil. You guys have been in OPEC for 50+ years and have done as much as anyone to increase the price of oil.

In iran today we do not have any person who dies because of hunger but In past Iran which was allied to west and specially US and UK,we had such persons who couldn't get even a little piece of bread.

Good for you - hopefully you will continue to prosper.

Saudi Arabia just is wasting its oil and after their oil get finished,US will throw them away like a piece of garbage...

You're probably right but that's the Saudi's problem :)

[Left Now]

So Iran just wants independence...
Our motto is "Independence,Liberty,Islamic Republic..."
not "Terrorism,Massacre,Islamic Republic..."
However,the story of American and British grain in stores of Pahlavi Regime just was only 30 years ago not 100 years,just before the Islamic Republic

[Andy daMuzak mAn]

The western people (I'm talking citizens, not governments) don't like Iran and the Middle East because they're force fed ideas from mass media that every person in the Middle East hates them and wants to annihilate them. Media portrays Middle Eastern men as terrorists and all Middle East women as oppressed and powerless victims. Most people blindly believe this.

If the people in the West are afraid of the Middle East, that gives Western governments a lot of leeway, as the people will do anything in the name of "protecting themselves from terrorism".

And your prejudice is that you think "most"...your words... Americans and Westerners believe and listen to the mass media and never question anything. I sure question a lot and don't believe a lot..and a lot of other are the same way. Your other prejudice is that we're all afraid of middle-easterners and believe the "terrorism" rhetoric anymore. Personally I love the normal-person culture and history of the middle east. I don't like terrorists/bad guys no matter what culture.

So we're all even, okay?

[Left Now]

yep...you are okay....but i always said and will say...terrorist is not a muslim person

[britishboy]

the media is free it reports things how it is not everyone from there is a terrorist we know that. that oil is thery is old and proben not to be true

[Harry Smith]

yep...you are okay....but i always said and will say...terrorist is not a muslim person

You seem to be presenting the idea that Iran is a beacon of hope for the middle east,I won't even go into your Human rights History for the 30 years I'll be there all day. Did you know that Iran have both trained and supplied Radical Islamic groups in southern Iraq? Groups which use terror to stop Iraqi's voting, Iran supports Terrorism

[Andy daMuzak mAn]

yep...you are okay....but i always said and will say...terrorist is not a muslim person

Of course not...but Muslims aren't the only people who are classed as terrorists. I'm like 50% Irish (by blood) and some would wonder if I have Irish Republican Army (IRA) roots, but not every Irish person is IRA. In fact my family was not even northern Irish.

Muslims are just the most recent to be classed that way and I think it's sad because the Muslims I know are great people and actually really interesting. :)

[TheBigUnit]

Indeed. Saudi Arabia is not biting the hand that feeds it - the West is prepared to accept their way of life unless/until they start causing trouble.

Ummm I'm not sure if you knew, but Bin Laden and most of the terrorists in 9/11 were saudis, Saudi Arabia housed terrorists

If the OP doesn't like his government that's a different issue - he asked why the west does not like Iran.



But you are not a middle eastener who lives in the middle east - that's why I asked the question.

Why not say where you live?

West doesn't like Iran because of the iran hostage situation and that iran won't subdue to our demands

By the way your an idiot, he's from iran himself....

That is nonsense - Iran is a member of OPEC which puts the price of oil up not down. There is no way on earth the UK ever got "cheap" oil from Iran.

Fault of your government - you can't blame the UK for that.

You poisoned yourself. Saudi Arabia + (Kuwait/Abu Dhabi)

These countries can also rely on robust military support from the west should they ever need it.


I think the OP explained why UK cheated Iran,

Another example showing that you have no clue of the middle east is that Abu Dhabi isn't a nation,


I'm sure our best friend Hosni Mubarack was thinking the same thing

Why do you think USA and some Western countries always want to show Iran and Middle Eastern countries as the source of savage or terrorism?
Why didn't they do this before they lost their oil trade partners and their wealth?
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When did Usa lose their oil trade partners and wealth? Usa currently is the richest nation (though the economy is slowly regaining) and have as much oil as ever, oil companies do more of the negotitations though






The west really hurt Iranian people in its early years, coups occured and leaders assassinated,

[Left Now]

Iran does not support terrorism...We don't have any reason to prevent Iraqis from election..All the Iraqis know that they are Salafi groups who are in the south of Iraq who are supported by Saudi Arabia which is supported by many western country...
My opinion about a terrorist is this"A thing that is really bad for humanity and is not even a human...Just a wild mindless animal.."

[Southside]

Its because US/Western Countries always need a "bad guy" to blame everything on. We had Saddam in the 90's and early 2000's, We had Osama for most of the last decade, now we have Assad,Ahmadinejad, and Kim Jong Il. I agree with many people saying the Western mass media has a part in this whole ignorant perception that everyone in the Middle-East is trying to kill us and hates America because of its "freedom".

[Bethany]

And your prejudice is that you think "most"...your words... Americans and Westerners believe and listen to the mass media and never question anything. I sure question a lot and don't believe a lot..and a lot of other are the same way. Your other prejudice is that we're all afraid of middle-easterners and believe the "terrorism" rhetoric anymore. Personally I love the normal-person culture and history of the middle east. I don't like terrorists/bad guys no matter what culture.

So we're all even, okay?

"You" does not equal "an accurate representation of a population" .

Half of Baby Boomers wouldn't vote for a Muslim president, and I believe about 40% of the general US population. In a 2010, it was found that 55% had an unfavorable view of Muslims. The number of cases of violence and discrimination against Muslims in the US is high compared to the percentage of Muslims in the general population. Even if you respect Islam and the Middle East, millions of Americans don't.

[Apollo.]

I just generally dislike the culture, most middle eastern countries I have visited are horrible, the majority of people I met there are arrogant and the places themselves were dirty. I don't like the association with religious extremism and they are not safe. So no I don't like the middle east.

[Andy daMuzak mAn]

"You" does not equal "an accurate representation of a population"

I was speaking of you personally. :)

I see both sides complaining about the same thing, really. "A certain percentage of X's country doesn't like us so all of X's country doesn't like us."

Doesn't seem like an argument anyone will win.

[TheBigUnit]

I just generally dislike the culture, most middle eastern countries I have visited are horrible, the majority of people I met there are arrogant and the places themselves were dirty. I don't like the association with religious extremism and they are not safe. So no I don't like the middle east.

You could say the same thing about a lot of americans

[Cicero]

The US probably didn't slander you guys before because you guys had something we wanted. That's how life is, if someone has something you want, you'll be extra kind to them. When is comes to Arab countries, I'm the typical "racist" American, I think all Arabs have loyalty to their Arabic country before the country they lived in or were even born/raised in. I think of most Arabs as hateful people who disrespect America and women and people who are dangerous. Ignorant and "racist" I know, but that's how I was raised and my parent is European, so it's not like its the typically hillbilly, American, overweight, poor family. The only place I have a small desire of visiting is Dubai, but even there I'd be scared. I would probably get my skin really tan just cause I'd be scared an Arab would try to poison me cause I'm American. I'm also a strong supporter of Israel.

[Andy daMuzak mAn]

The US probably didn't slander you guys before because you guys had something we wanted. That's how life is, if someone has something you want, you'll be extra kind to them. When is comes to Arab countries, I'm the typical "racist" American, I think all Arabs have loyalty to their Arabic country before the country they lived in or were even born/raised in. I think of most Arabs as hateful people who disrespect America and women and people who are dangerous. Ignorant and "racist" I know, but that's how I was raised and my parent is European, so it's not like its the typically hillbilly, American, overweight, poor family. The only place I have a small desire of visiting is Dubai, but even there I'd be scared. I would probably get my skin really tan just cause I'd be scared an Arab would try to poison me cause I'm American. I'm also a strong supporter of Israel.

It should be noted that not all middle easterners are "Arabs"....;)

[randomnessqueen]

its all propaganda.
theyre the ones were at war with at the moment, so theyre the bad guys. when we switch enemies, the middle east will make a U turn in image and somebody else will be the cause of all evil. thats just how we work.

[Cicero]

It should be noted that not all middle easterners are "Arabs"....;)

Well, I don't know all of the different things. All I know is that most of them are dangerous, but the very few (actually, 1) I have met thats from those areas is the sweetest, nicest, awesomest person.

I only think of two people Arabs (everyone from that region) and the Israelis. Arab=bad Israeli=good

I'll admit, 75% of how I think was passed from my dad to me.

[Andy daMuzak mAn]

Well, I don't know all of the different things. All I know is that most of them are dangerous, but the very few (actually, 1) I have met thats from those areas is the sweetest, nicest, awesomest person.

I only think of two people Arabs (everyone from that region) and the Israelis. Arab=bad Israeli=good

I'll admit, 75% of how I think was passed from my dad to me.

I'm guessing you're a man of Christian faith, or are sympathetic to them at least. Correct me if I'm wrong. :) Know what's interesting? There's actually a big Christian population in the middle east. In Iran alone there's 200,000–270,000 Christians according to wikipedia. Egypt has the biggest number with 6–11 million.

Did you know the 3 main religions in the middle east (Judaism, Islam and Christianity) are all connected? They are called "Abrahamic" religions and they all trace their faith's roots to Abraham. You might recognize that name from the Christian Bible. :)

See, we're all more similar than people think. :) Peace!! :) <3

[StoppingTime]

I'll admit, 75% of how I think was passed from my dad to me.

Then maybe it's a good idea to change your views to what you think - not what he thinks.

[Cicero]

I'm guessing you're a man of Christian faith, or are sympathetic to them at least. Correct me if I'm wrong. :) Know what's interesting? There's actually a big Christian population in the middle east. In Iran alone there's 200,000–270,000 Christians according to wikipedia. Egypt has the biggest number with 6–11 million.

Did you know the 3 main religions in the middle east (Judaism, Islam and Christianity) are all connected? They are called "Abrahamic" religions and they all trace their faith's roots to Abraham. You might recognize that name from the Christian Bible. :)

See, we're all more similar than people think. :) Peace!! :) <3
I'm annoyed by a few parts of your posts.

You are right about Abraham. His son was the biggest component of judaism while his other son is the biggest component of Islam. They both hated each other, the brothers were enemies, so throughout history each group has hated each other. The Arab states execute Christians, they aren't all happy living together like you make it sound, every Christian in Arab countries fear for their lives. Islam and Christianity is not the same, they are very different.
Then maybe it's a good idea to change your views to what you think - not what he thinks.
Well, I'm not as extreme as he is. He won't really talk or acknowledge an Arab, whereas I'm not like that. He isn't mean to them, he isn't nice to them.

[Magus]

And your prejudice is that you think "most"...your words... Americans and Westerners believe and listen to the mass media and never question anything. I sure question a lot and don't believe a lot..and a lot of other are the same way. Your other prejudice is that we're all afraid of middle-easterners and believe the "terrorism" rhetoric anymore. Personally I love the normal-person culture and history of the middle east. I don't like terrorists/bad guys no matter what culture.

So we're all even, okay?

There is a reason she said 'Most' - Have you read the polls and the studies done?

Whether they are Muslim or Middle-Easterner. They are the most hated minority groups in the west. Basically anyone who is duskier and hairier than they are.

Andros Brevik didn't went gung ho because of freedom of choice? No, but because there are people who accepts other kinds of people(much like what you claim to be).

Yes, Media and independent outlets(especially Conservative and Nationalistic ones) did allow for the spread.


You poisoned yourself. Saudi Arabia + (Kuwait/Abu Dhabi) are very wealthy countries because they sell oil to the West.

And by the way, to answer your previous question. I live in Kuwait. XD And for your information, no one in the Gulf likes the Iranian government.


We might not like the way they run their country but unless they turn on us we'll let them do what they want - live and let live. If they want to behead a guy for whatever reason we might not like it but we won't complain. These countries can also rely on robust military support from the west should they ever need it.

Your thoughts are so scrambled that you can't even construct a coherent sentence, let alone a paragraph.

By contrast you guys have set yourself against the west - that's your choice but you can hardly complain if we don't like you.

So, just because they don't like the western imperialism, everyone should start hating the people there and mark them as savages? Very nice.


In iran today we do not have any person who dies because of hunger but In past Iran which was allied to west and specially US and UK,we had such persons who couldn't get even a little piece of bread...

What a bunch of bullcrap. During the Shah, Iran was in its prime and was quite prosperous. Once the revolution took over, it became an Orwellian hell hole.

The Arab states execute Christians, they aren't all happy living together like you make it sound, every Christian in Arab countries fear for their lives. Islam and Christianity is not the same, they are very different.

And what about you? You making sound like it is daytime nightmare for Christians there.

Many religious groups lives in peaceful harmony -- sure there has been tensions between them. Lebanon had its civil war. Copts had a tough time with fundamentalists.

But those countries with strict Islamic laws(where two are prominent), it is there Christians will definitely have a tougher time.

Lol, sure. Islam is more closer to Judaism than it is to Christianity. Especially the adherence to the religious laws.

I only think of two people Arabs (everyone from that region) and the Israelis. Arab=bad Israeli=good

Amazighs, Kurds, Armenians, Greeks, Laventines(each different), Persians, Arab-Iranians, Gulfians(again, each different), Yemenite, Southern Iraqis, Northern Iraqis, Eastern Saudis and Western Saudis, Azers, Turks, Baloch(which what I am), Egyptians(Again separated to Saidis, Nubis and etc). There are plenty of other ethnic and religious groups too that comprises Middle-East.

It's not black and white. Don't be an ignorant dolt.

Lumping everyone into Arab and calling them bad is the definitely the most ignorant thing I have ever saw.

Ummm I'm not sure if you knew, but Bin Laden and most of the terrorists in 9/11 were saudis, Saudi Arabia housed terrorists

Saudi is an all round potential breeding ground for terrorists. But they defected from Saudi Arabia later on, though and went off to Taliban controlled Afghanistan.


By the way your an idiot, he's from iran himself....
Dual Nationality(with Pakistan, Aye), actually. I don't like Iran either way, so.

[Apollo.]

You could say the same thing about a lot of americans

Yeah but Americans seem more civilized, are my views ignorant? Probably, I don't know every middle eastern country or person that lives there, however generalizing from what I have experienced and seen that is my view and it probably won't change until the countries in that area do.

[britishboy]

ive never been to a middle eastern country and have no desire to but I still respect them.

[Harry Smith]

Iran does not support terrorism...We don't have any reason to prevent Iraqis from election..All the Iraqis know that they are Salafi groups who are in the south of Iraq who are supported by Saudi Arabia which is supported by many western country...
My opinion about a terrorist is this"A thing that is really bad for humanity and is not even a human...Just a wild mindless animal.."

Iran does support Terrorism, it's very well know throughout diplomatic and Military circles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state_terrorism

[TheBigUnit]

Iran does support Terrorism, it's very well know throughout diplomatic and Military circles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state_terrorism
They do supply the bombs the constantly bombard israel right?

[Left Now]

Bunch of Garbage...This things you are reading are not the whole thing...Iran is the main victim of terrorism since 1979 in the Middle East...

[Left Now]

Iran was in a great food shortage during the reign of Shah..You Kuwaiti cannot judge my country when you were not in...And now the only Persian Gulf country which is strongest is Iran...From science to military...and also maybe you will ask me about "The Arabic countries of Persian Gulf are prettier than Iran...So iran is just a place for garbage..."
In this case i have to tell you iran has many beautiful cities..(My own Shiraz is an example...)
The pretty of the Arabic Gulf countries are just based on their foreign engineers and their oil money...nothing more...
And can i ask you sth?Does not Israel supply bombs and missiles to attack Iran...Many times they have declared that they were going to have an attack on Iran and The IRI said we will respond any responses in the similar way...So Shouldn't we do something to prevent Israel from attacking us and specially the BNPP in Bushehr?...
Many times the zionists threat us they would attack our nuclear planet didn't they?

[Bethany]

Well, I don't know all of the different things. All I know is that most of them are dangerous, but the very few (actually, 1) I have met thats from those areas is the sweetest, nicest, awesomest person.

I only think of two people Arabs (everyone from that region) and the Israelis. Arab=bad Israeli=good

I'll admit, 75% of how I think was passed from my dad to me.

It sounds like you need to talk to more people from the Middle East, or visit the region. Most of them - almost all of them - are not dangerous. People from the Middle East are just like you or me - they eat, they sleep, they play with their kids. They want the same things as we doing: happy, prosperous, and peaceful lives.

I disagree with your comments about the Middle East being a dangerous place where you wouldn't want to be an American. I haven't been to the Middle East yet, but every time I read of Westerners visiting Iran, I read that they've found the Iranian people to be some of the kindest and friendliest people they've ever met. A friend of mine (blond and blue-eyed, by the way) lived in Oman for a year and now considers her community there, the one that welcomed her and took her in as though she was Omani, to be her second home. It's sad that you write off a whole region as dangerous and unfriendly.

[Left Now]

agreed...very much...Please be open minded friends....we are all humans and killing a human with out any sin is a great sin,We have this in our religion and our own culture.
A Persian proverb says:
"...An innocent may go to be hanged,but he won't die in the hanging square"
(it is used when a person didn't do anything wrong and they want to punish him or her,while she or he is sure he/she is innocent.."

[Harry Smith]

Bunch of Garbage...This things you are reading are not the whole thing...Iran is the main victim of terrorism since 1979 in the Middle East...

Bollocks and you know it, your deluded mate. Iran has directly funded Shia groups in the south which carried out suicide attacks and mortar attacks during elections in Iraq, they attacked Iraqi and British. Your country has a terrible human rights record, I would be killed purely for going to your country due to the fact I'm gay

[Left Now]

Iran does not have to do anything with Iraq's election...In fact we appreciate that at last they are going to make their country to independence...The suicide men are not shia anymore...they are salafi jihadists who are supported by Saudi Arabia...Salafi Jihadists are excommunicated from Islam by the order of Shia Faqihs.The only person whom we are trying to kill is Salman Roshdi and in other cases suicide to kill someone is forbidden in Shia islam...And about your gay opinion...If the human rights are from letting some persons do what ever they want i shall tell you yes my country is in a terrible record of human rights...But the human rights basic foundations are right in Iran...You are allowed to blame the government the cabinet the president the Leader and...
You are allowed to listen to music in the public but if someone was uncomfortable with it,it is not right...
The gay thing is it too.Nearly 95 percent of people in my country are shia muslims and they do not want the gays to declare themselves as a group in their country and let them to pollute their children mind....Like you want to prevent your kids from gun carriers and do not let them to sell your children guns...

[Harry Smith]

Iran does not have to do anything with Iraq's election...In fact we appreciate that at last they are going to make their country to independence...The suicide men are not shia anymore...they are salafi jihadists who are supported by Saudi Arabia...Salafi Jihadists are excommunicated from Islam by the order of Shia Faqihs.The only person whom we are trying to kill is Salman Roshdi and in other cases suicide to kill someone is forbidden in Shia islam...And about your gay opinion...If the human rights are from letting some persons do what ever they want i shall tell you yes my country is in a terrible record of human rights...But the human rights basic foundations are right in Iran...You are allowed to blame the government the cabinet the president the Leader and...
You are allowed to listen to music in the public but if someone was uncomfortable with it,it is not right...
The gay thing is it too.Nearly 95 percent of people in my country are shia muslims and they do not want the gays to declare themselves as a group in their country and let them to pollute their children mind....Like you want to prevent your kids from gun carriers and do not let them to sell your children guns...

I raise my left hand to, how could I pollute Children's mind? So you admit your country has a terrible human rights record? Also you can't blame Saudi Arabia for it when there is direct evidence linking it to Iran

[Left Now]

That direct evidence is just maid with those who are enemies of Iran...I myself went to Iraq several times and talked to the people in there.They were really proud to have country like Iran to be their neighbour and blamed at Saudi Arabia because of supporting Salafi Jihadists...So what can i say when the people of the certain country know me as a friend and those salafi jihadists as the agents of Malik Abu-Allah of Saudi?
This is why i tell you first see and then talk...I saw myself that those who are killing in Iraq are hateful against Shia and Iran so it cannot be related to my country...Your sources are just some papers which tell you nothing except lies my friend...specially against Iran...And when did i agree with terrible records of human rights in my country....
I Just said if human rights are only these things you said,yes in iran we do not have good human rights,,but is really human rights about sexual subjects?Surly not,
In Iran women have active rules in society and government and are equal with men in society rules,this is human rights...
In Iran you can have parties unless you do not make other people uncomfortable by your noises and if u do not spread drugs or alchohol there...This is human right...
In Iran you have not carry guns because guns just kill...It is human rights...
Of course iran has bad things to but they are nothing against the goods of Iran...

[Harry Smith]

That direct evidence is just maid with those who are enemies of Iran...I myself went to Iraq several times and talked to the people in there.They were really proud to have country like Iran to be their neighbour and blamed at Saudi Arabia because of supporting Salafi Jihadists...So what can i say when the people of the certain country know me as a friend and those salafi jihadists as the agents of Malik Abu-Allah of Saudi?
This is why i tell you first see and then talk...I saw myself that those who are killing in Iraq are hateful against Shia and Iran so it cannot be related to my country...Your sources are just some papers which tell you nothing except lies my friend...specially against Iran...And when did i agree with terrible records of human rights in my country....
I Just said if human rights are only these things you said,yes in iran we do not have good human rights,,but is really human rights about sexual subjects?Surly not,
In Iran women have active rules in society and government and are equal with men in society rules,this is human rights...
In Iran you can have parties unless you do not make other people uncomfortable by your noises and if u do not spread drugs or alchohol there...This is human right...
In Iran you have not carry guns because guns just kill...It is human rights...
Of course iran has bad things to but they are nothing against the goods of Iran...

I need to frame this, you actually made me nearly die with laughter. You do not understand the concept of Human rights, it's not about holding parties. You admitted above that ' yes in iran we do have good human rights' and yes human rights is about sexual subject's you fucking deluded twat. If anything the source you provided would be ripped apart in both a court or any academic paper- I have paper based sources confirmed and documented and you have a conversation with a some random person in Iraq. But anyway human rights are about everyone hence the name. This is why people think people in the middle east are backwards.

[Left Now]

Some random persons?Do you know Statistics my friend...Human rights is just something which you made it to kick those countries which are not agreed with you out of the way...
According to these human rights a country like Saudi Arabia is in a good stage of human rights because there is no rule in that country which prevent women from basic social activities and they do not support terrorism anymore and the protests never get smashed at first of their begin and also because they are great allies of UK and US in the Persian Gulf...Where are heading to my friend...Do not throw your heads like Patridges in the snow...You are telling me sth that is really annoying for me because i am the neighbour of Iraq not you....I ate its dust not you...I got injured in its explosions not you....Do you really think sit in your safe home and discuss subjects is as difficult as killing a demon?No
By this human rights,US can take the name of Mojahedin-Khalq out of the list of terrorist departments and support them while they have killed near 1500000 Iraqi people and over 4 million people of Iran...This is where you bring your beautiful evidences from...This human rights just worth for washing them and keep them at the museums not to obey them....Go and correct yourself my friend...

[Harry Smith]

Some random persons?Do you know Statistics my friend...Human rights is just something which you made it to kick those countries which are not agreed with you out of the way...
According to these human rights a country like Saudi Arabia is in a good stage of human rights because there is no rule in that country which prevent women from basic social activities and they do not support terrorism anymore and the protests never get smashed at first of their begin and also because they are great allies of UK and US in the Persian Gulf...Where are heading to my friend...Do not throw your heads like Patridges in the snow...You are telling me sth that is really annoying for me because i am the neighbour of Iraq not you....I ate its dust not you...I got injured in its explosions not you....Do you really think sit in your safe home and discuss subjects is as difficult as killing a demon?No
By this human rights,US can take the name of Mojahedin-Khalq out of the list of terrorist departments and support them while they have killed near 1500000 Iraqi people and over 4 million people of Iran...This is where you bring your beautiful evidences from...This human rights just worth for washing them and keep them at the museums not to obey them....Go and correct yourself my friend...

You sound like a War criminal trying to deny Human rights

[TheBigUnit]

Some random persons?Do you know Statistics my friend...Human rights is just something which you made it to kick those countries which are not agreed with you out of the way...
According to these human rights a country like Saudi Arabia is in a good stage of human rights because there is no rule in that country which prevent women from basic social activities and they do not support terrorism anymore and the protests never get smashed at first of their begin and also because they are great allies of UK and US in the Persian Gulf...Where are heading to my friend...Do not throw your heads like Patridges in the snow...You are telling me sth that is really annoying for me because i am the neighbour of Iraq not you....I ate its dust not you...I got injured in its explosions not you....Do you really think sit in your safe home and discuss subjects is as difficult as killing a demon?No
By this human rights,US can take the name of Mojahedin-Khalq out of the list of terrorist departments and support them while they have killed near 1500000 Iraqi people and over 4 million people of Iran...This is where you bring your beautiful evidences from...This human rights just worth for washing them and keep them at the museums not to obey them....Go and correct yourself my friend...

Are you actually saying Iran has good human rights???

[Left Now]

Is it in human rights to support the terrorism?...
So why the US is supporting it appearantly?...
Is iran a War criminal or Israel which uses the white Phosphorus against the unarmed people of Gaza....
Is iran a war criminal or western countries which support Saddam in attacking to Iran and gave him all guns they could and kept quiet while my people were dying because of Toxin bombs which Saddam pure on our cities during the 8 years war...
What was human rights doing when the humans were dying in my country?
Was it on a vacation...?

[StoppingTime]

Is iran a War criminal or Israel which uses the white Phosphorus against the unarmed people of Gaza....




Can you provide a source where Israel unleashed this "white Phosphorus" (and maybe elaborate on it a little) on "unarmed" citizens of Gaza, unprovoked?

[Left Now]

Yes i can:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus#Gaza_War_.282008.E2.80.932009.29

want other sources?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/25/israel-white-phosphorus-gaza


don't post consecutively. -StoppingTime

[TheBigUnit]

Is it in human rights to support the terrorism?...
So why the US is supporting it appearantly?...
Is iran a War criminal or Israel which uses the white Phosphorus against the unarmed people of Gaza....
Is iran a war criminal or western countries which support Saddam in attacking to Iran and gave him all guns they could and kept quiet while my people were dying because of Toxin bombs which Saddam pure on our cities during the 8 years war...
What was human rights doing when the humans were dying in my country?
Was it on a vacation...?

I do not know why you are supporting your goverment still while your people seem to be the victims. You leaders offered asylum to many terrorists, and swore to kill americans, israelis alike, the mujahadin is now gone and so is saddam the usa never really endorsed their actions just When someone bows to you, and you see a chance to take advantage of them, you treat them well.
When someone no longer bows to you, and because of this, you can no longer take advantage of them, you kill them. If it wasn't for the mujahadin there probably wouldn't be an Iran right now, not that their actions should be forgetten though, isn't their a reason why israel has to attack gaza? They are surrounded by enemies and are constantly bombarded by small missiles,
Iran is no better then saudi in some aspects of human rights, the fact that you are arguing that you want human rights and blaming the usa for it and not your own gov

[Human]

I think that the media portrays the Middle East as much worse than it actually is.

[Left Now]

The people in my country are the victims of terrorism which US is supporting it.
The people in my country are the victims of boycotts which westerns are putting on our country...
I do not support my leaders but i cannot accept that US and UK tell us about human rights which they are putting under foot themselves...
Human rights in Iran is still better than any other countries in the area but my people are suffering from financial problems...This cause by the lack of management of my country and your boycotts...Also who said they are teaching us to kill Americans Israelis and...?
We are taught to defend ourselves against the foreign enemy,,,,According to our basic rule of country,we cannot attack any other nations but if we are attacked we can respond in the same way...
Most of people of my country still supporting the Islamic Republic...But they are angry about the stealings which is happening in my country not human rights of the country...

[StoppingTime]

Yes i can:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus#Gaza_War_.282008.E2.80.932009.29

want other sources?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/25/israel-white-phosphorus-gaza



Seeing as your source is a wiki (which includes numerous citations from Al-Jezeera.... what a reliable source) and and Human Rights Watch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Watch) (also not the most trustworthy), I'll pass on any other sources.

And regardless, what does that have to do with Iran? Iran's leader has called for the complete annihilation of Israel and its people - is that something you support?


For everyone else: Please keep the insults to yourselves, or infractions will be given.

[Left Now]

I support in destroying Israel but not its people...
People in Israel came from Europe after their fellows in Palestine killed a huge number of Muslim population according to the history...They had not to come in there anymore but now it is a job which was done...Dealing with a Israeli soldiers is not same as dealing with an Israeli citizen,The jews many years lived with Muslims and christian in peace in holy lands but after the first war it became a western vassal and jews from Europe and Asia came to there while the houses were still full of Palestinean equipments of life...
Our leader ordered us to destroy Israel but not to kill any Israeli person...
This is what i believed in which you should be a muslim to understand

[StoppingTime]

I support in destroying Israel but not its people...

I'm sure he'd be more than happy to kill any Jewish/Israeli person he comes across.

People in Israel came from Europe after their fellows in Palestine

In all of history, has there ever been a place called Palestine?


killed a huge number of Muslim population according to the history...

While we're apparently comparing deaths (though I'm not exactly why), your beloved dictator also believes the Holocaust was a hoax.

The jews many years lived with Muslims and christian in peace in holy lands but after the first war

Which war?

is what i believed in which you should be a muslim to understand

lol please don't tell me you're here to convert people. You'll find yourself in a bunch of trouble.

I'm all for a two state solution, but clearly that's not what he's calling for.

[Left Now]

The first war means WWI
I am not here to convert people i just said you have to be a muslim to understand it
Yes we had Palestine according to history:it is just a link but if were a history lover you could get more better sources which i had in my house:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
Holocaust happened in many interviewings Ahmadinejad said but he said it is not related to Muslims,Hilter killed them as same as he killed Muslims in Egypt..

[Harry Smith]

The first war means WWI
I am not here to convert people i just said you have to be a muslim to understand it
Yes we had Palestine according to history:it is just a link but if were a history lover you could get more better sources which i had in my house:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
Holocaust happened in many interviewings Ahmadinejad said but he said it is not related to Muslims,Hilter killed them as same as he killed Muslims in Egypt..

Hitler killed 6 million Jews is Death camps. Your the typical sleazy Iranian talking about Israel, you don't understand anything about the concept of international laws or human rights. Iran didn't give two shit's about Palestine until Israel was created, you were never part of the Pan Arab movement, the Shah had a growing relationship with Israel then your supreme Muslim high lord of Allah or whatever came in a declared a holy war against them. I've listed the many crimes committed by Iran, you condemn Homophobia, you support the Annihilation of Israel. Your not very popular on here with these stupid views so I suggest you either shut up or leave

[Left Now]

Yes i have seen what did Shah do when he was the ally of Israel...Supporting the Zionist with no limit even when his own people were dying.Give huge amount of money when the bank of the country was in a bad situation....Moving the treasures of Iran to such countries like UK and US...
Yes this was the result of alliance with Israel for us....
The massacre of Jew people is not a good reason to massacre Palestineans,

[TheBigUnit]

The people in my country are the victims of terrorism which US is supporting it.
The people in my country are the victims of boycotts which westerns are putting on our country...
I do not support my leaders but i cannot accept that US and UK tell us about human rights which they are putting under foot themselves...
Human rights in Iran is still better than any other countries in the area but my people are suffering from financial problems...This cause by the lack of management of my country and your boycotts.

What exactly I'd the terrorism is the US currently supporting again? What boycotts? Can you even boycott in iran? Is it USA's fault that your government is corrupt?

Dealing with a Israeli soldiers is not same as dealing with an Israeli citizen,The jews many years lived with Muslims and christian in peace in holy lands but after the first war it became a western vassal and jews from Europe and Asia came to there while the houses were still full of Palestinean equipments of life...


Our leader ordered us to destroy Israel but not to kill any Israeli person...
This is what i believed in which you should be a muslim to understand


You do realize that almost every Israel citizen is a soldier? Full of palestine equipments of life?? There really was never a palestine nation, that being said there should a 2 state implented there

Your leader straight up said that he will rain missiles down in israel where there will only be ashes left....I'm pretty sure citizen safety and human right ethics isn't a top concern for your leader,
Your sounding like you want to make a jihad...

[Left Now]

Why do not you bring the whole quote friend..."Our leader said that Israel must be destroyed bu not whit missiles...We just told the world we will respond to Israel in any way it attacks us...If the Israel begins a military war against Iran,we will continue the war until all of the Holy lands get in the hands of muslims again...If they shot us missiles,we will shot launch missiles too.But if Israel wants to destroy Iran with nuclear weapons,we won't use nuclear equipment to destroy them,we will prevent them from this act by attacking to the heart of their military stores.
And also do not you even read historical books?Before and after Islam the name of this area was Palestine and also the first islamic government in Palestine was made even before Israel got born...
Go and read about it which the palestine was a nation and had a flag and people before even any zionists came to this land....

[Magus]

Your country has a terrible human rights record, I would be killed purely for going to your country due to the fact I'm gay

Not only that. It has attacked and oppressed other minority groups in its own country.

I think that the media portrays the Middle East as much worse than it actually is.

Well, they depict us as warmongering, uneducated, anti-western savages who will kill any foreigner should the opportunity arises.

Can you provide a source where Israel unleashed this "white Phosphorus" (and maybe elaborate on it a little) on "unarmed" citizens of Gaza, unprovoked?

You will probably dismiss every link they provide to you. Don't worry, it's called Confirmation Bias. Many are afflicted with it.

Israel keeps launching arbitrary missile strikes everyday and calling it "strike against Hamas", and all they hit are compounds with women and children living in it. And they have the nerve calling these childrens as meatshields for Hamas.

Everyone knows Hamas is a rogue group, and no doubt they have attacked Israel. But that doesn't give Israel to kill children. And the Palestinian forces doesn't have the strength to stop Hamas. Plus, most of those people are doing it because they have lost someone dear to them at one point of the time and have lost sense of direction, and it's the only thing they can do.

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Oh, yeah. Al-Jazeera is quite the liberal and less biased news source you could find in the Middle-East. And has done more good to the region than any western news groups. And they get a lot of shit for it, too.

You dismissed Al Jazeera because it is an Arabic news source, and you have a preconception that Arabs are inherently Anti-Zionists, which prompted you to dismiss it. Now guess who is biased? Yeah.

In all of history, has there ever been a place called Palestine?

I'm all for a two state solution, but clearly that's not what he's calling for.You do not sound like someone who wants a two state solution. You want Palestinians to be eradicated completely off the globe(Not much different from a typical Khomeni-worshiping Iranian who wants Israel off). Didn't you just say was there a place called Palestine?

Yes. A pro-Israeli article says that it did. Inb4 wiki or "biased".

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/19304

[Harry Smith]

Why do not you bring the whole quote friend..."Our leader said that Israel must be destroyed bu not whit missiles...We just told the world we will respond to Israel in any way it attacks us...If the Israel begins a military war against Iran,we will continue the war until all of the Holy lands get in the hands of muslims again...If they shot us missiles,we will shot launch missiles too.But if Israel wants to destroy Iran with nuclear weapons,we won't use nuclear equipment to destroy them,we will prevent them from this act by attacking to the heart of their military stores.
And also do not you even read historical books?Before and after Islam the name of this area was Palestine and also the first islamic government in Palestine was made even before Israel got born...
Go and read about it which the palestine was a nation and had a flag and people before even any zionists came to this land....

I don't give a fuck about your god or why the fuck you want to be able to use the land, it belongs to Israel, do you really thing they are going to give away part of there Sovereign Territory because some arab says it's there holy land.This is just typical Muslim rhetoric, I remind you that the Arabs attacked Israel the day they declared Independence, you attacked First but now the Muslims call Israel the attacker. Why should Iran even care about Israel, half the middle east hates you because your a bunch of Deluded religious fanatics

[Left Now]

Better to think about what happened which caused Arabs to attack Israel,,,Zionists entered their lands and made them leave their farms to prepare it for Jew travelers who were coming to settle a country...In many cities before the declaration of invasion,zionist massacred a lot of christian and muslim population to increase their population rate between the people and in fiefs and villages they burnt Palestinean people's crops and force them to leave their lands and who didn't accept to leave his or her motherland was going to get killed in the worst way with his family and children...
In fact Israel began first not Muslims...While the people in Palestine were dying,your beautiful government just was watching the massacre and bloody corpses of Muslim people which were on the hot ground...

[TheBigUnit]

Better to think about what happened which caused Arabs to attack Israel,,,Zionists entered their lands and made them leave their farms to prepare it for Jew travelers who were coming to settle a country...In many cities before the declaration of invasion,zionist massacred a lot of christian and muslim population to increase their population rate between the people and in fiefs and villages they burnt Palestinean people's crops and force them to leave their lands and who didn't accept to leave his or her motherland was going to get killed in the worst way with his family and children...
In fact Israel began first not Muslims...While the people in Palestine were dying,your beautiful government just was watching the massacre and bloody corpses of Muslim people which were on the hot ground...

There never was a Palestine set as a nation just a territory of the British Empire!!! Palestine was never sovereign!! Stop acting like one random day jewish people came in droves and kicked out all the palestinians, Israelis bought the lands from the gov that mostly why they settled where they did, Iran did say they will rain missiles down on Israel that is why Achmedjimidad looks really bad now, Hamas purposely settles near schools, maybe the Hand of God is really on Israels side, us that why they haven't been conqured? They probably won't be if you leaders continue to act like barbarians, all your unhappiness if from your oppression

[Left Now]

Really?So why do not you tell the hands of god is on iran?
Iran was going to fall in many places but god didn't let...In Operation Eagle Claw IRI was too close to a real destruction.But what happened?The sand storm killed the US troops and destroyed most of their planes...In 8 years war we were really close to defeat but the god didn't let...Also in Revolt of Paveh we were going to lose our important city Paveh but what happened?Nothing...Paveh got out of the siege of rebels with out any harm.
Now can i say god hand is on our head?Also technically there were kingdom of Syria after UK got out of the Palestine in WWII which was ruling the Holy lands.So there were a government there which zionist started their transgressions on it and the first conflict makers were jews...Also not all of the lands in Israel were belonged to UK when they bought them from Britishes...Many of them were belonged to Palestinean local population and the Zionists rally them out of their lands before declaration on Israel regime...By threating them and or killing them...

And by the way why iran is still alive?

Merged Double Post ~Max

[Harry Smith]

And by the way why iran is still alive?

Because your too stupid to think for yourself and you prefer to live for the man in the sky

[britishboy]

what are you guys talking about?

[Plane And Simple]

And by the way why iran is still alive?

Please have some respect.

[Left Now]

Nothing friend...Now i can see why i never tell insultances to other people,because just like some guys (i do not want to point) i will lose my temper and will say garbage

Please have some respect.

Was that for me?

Double Post Merged~ Red Velvet

[Magus]

what are you guys talking about?

Middle East. But OP prefers to talk about his beloved corrupt government.

[Apollo.]

Was that for me?

No, no I reckon he quoted you for shits and giggles.

Really it's people like you that make westerners have these misconceptions about the middle east(if not all people are like you as other members are saying). You are a religious nutter going back to your god when you talk about war, it makes you spund insanendand since you are one of the few middle easteners I have interacted with you are what I base my views of your country on.

[Left Now]

very well....seems that your minds are just full of beliefs which prevent you from thinking about my words...I do not have anything to tell you...Go to your way and i will go mine,maybe just passing of time can do sth for you men...
But remember your words won't tease me,i decided this when i swear that i will do anything to help the mankind and real humanity...But you Magus...Maybe your Arabic eyes can just see iranians as the old foes of yourself....And that is because you are still an Arab of desert not an Islamist Arab...Your transgressions and aggressive jobs will be paid by god if you are believing in him...Maybe if you open that blind eyes of yours you can see the real corruption under your own feet...On the land which is based just on dirty oil!...
Cased clossed.if u have any other things to say pm me....

[Maverick]

Why do you think USA and some Western countries always want to show Iran and Middle Eastern countries as the source of savage or terrorism?
Why didn't they do this before they lost their oil trade partners and their wealth?
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The United States and the UK's conflict really goes back to the 1950s. Back in the 1940s-1950s Iran's oil reserves were owned by British and American governments which gave them control and cheap access to Iran's resources.

Back then Iran had a democratically elected government and voted a new leader into office. At that time Iran was a democracy and it was not an Islamic Republic. One of the first things the elected leader of Iran did was nationalize the oil industry and gave control back to Iranian people.

This really upset the United States and UK so the Central Intelligence Agency infiltrated Iran and over threw their democratically elected government. Yes the United States which supposedly cares about democracy overthrows a democratically elected leader because they didn't like what he was doing.

The Americans put the Shah into power which worked for awhile until 1979. The people of Iran didn't support him and didn't feel his leadership was legitimate and saw him as an American puppet.

In 1979, the Islamic revolution took place and the strong religious Muslims took over and the rest is history. The hatred for Americans stems back to what our CIA did all those years ago. The United States never had a right to Iran's resources and overthrowing their government to gain it back. It lead to the radical Islam and political instability Iran experiences today.

[Magus]

it makes you spund insanendand since you are one of the few middle easteners I have interacted with you are what I base my views of your country on.

NO! NO! TRUE AND KVLT MIDDLE-EASTERNERS IRANIANS ARE ATHEIST HIPSTERS LIKE ME! NOOOOoOOOOooOOO NOOOoOOOOOooOO! I LIKE TITTEEEHS! DON'T BASE IT ON RELIGIOUS NUTS!

I love to party like a goddamn Bavarian in a beerfest! :beerchug:

[TheBigUnit]

very well....seems that your minds are just full of beliefs which prevent you from thinking about my words...I do not have anything to tell you...Go to your way and i will go mine,maybe just passing of time can do sth for you men...
But remember your words won't tease me,i decided this when i swear that i will do anything to help the mankind and real humanity...But you Magus...Maybe your Arabic eyes can just see iranians as the old foes of yourself....And that is because you are still an Arab of desert not an Islamist Arab...Your transgressions and aggressive jobs will be paid by god if you are believing in him...Maybe if you open that blind eyes of yours you can see the real corruption under your own feet...On the land which is based just on dirty oil!...
Cased clossed.if u have any other things to say pm me....
I supported you at first you know, but now I see you're the aggressive one, you corrupt government and possibly education blinds you in some aspects, you sound like you want to start a new Holy war in some parts, is it my or my governments fault any more that your government is behind? There is no point anymore to cry over spilled milk which occured over 50 years ago, you resorted in blaming all you nations problems on a scapegoat and not your leaders who seemed to be in power for over 30 years, if you want to see change, you must be the change the blind cannot lead the blind so you must open your eyes and lead the way, your country persecutes those who protests one of the main differences between our countries is that I can grab a mic and sceam in the middle of cities profanitites against our leaders while if you do the same you worry for your own life, in the bottom line sure your nation did get bullied in its early years, so did almost every other nation in their beginnings ie. Usa, india, rome, japan, ussr, israel (ancient and present) etc the only difference is that their leaders were progressive and not warmongering conservatives who refuse to lose their own power, the first thing you need to do is lose a supreme leader or move him to a religon sect, iran is the most educated middle east country but your very backwards view shows the worst of it

[Left Now]

Iran is now at the first grade of science and education between all Persian Gulf countries...I am not aggressive friend;Oh said i want to start a holy war.I just said in any attack to my country i will defend against the attackers and they will be be responded
source:http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=4542
The leader said "We will destroy any Israel cities if Israel attacked..."
If Israel doesn't do anything directly against Iran,It is Safe but It is not a regular thing to attack another country and do not face its consequences.
supported you at first you know, but now I see you're the aggressive one, you corrupt government and possibly education blinds you in some aspects, you sound like you want to start a new Holy war in some...
And also i speak calmly with all of you and not from bad side of my enemy feelings...
Maybe you say that Iranian leaders are corrupted and this is why Iran is in last but Iran at all is not in the last place...In many cases Iran has a grade between 1 and 10 in good things like US and other places...But i cannot accept the things which your governments say to,If also my leaders are bad and corrupted,it is something which we should solve it between ourselves,and foreigners are not allowed to intervene.Like what happened in 1979,if there is any corruption in the government the IRI will be overthrown,but if it didn't it means that people still are with the government...
After all why we are changing the topic?Is it really acceptable to show a people savage and without culture when they are cultural and with a high purpose to be in peace?
If you want to continue just answer this and nothing more...Listen i am not talking about today Iran okay?....I am just telling you in middle east there are just two country which are full over 3000 years historical culture,One of them was Babylon and the other was Persia(greater Iran)...I am a supporter of greater Iran and cannot see a country insult the culture of it....So why your governments still supporting the persons who are insulting the Persia and not exactly the IRI...

[The LOLer]

When you guys wanna stop killing everyone we'll think otherwise.

[TheBigUnit]

If also my leaders are bad and corrupted,it is something which we should solve it between ourselves,


any corruption in the government the IRI will be overthrown,


So why your governments still supporting the persons who are insulting the Persia and not exactly the IRI...

I said the same thing


A lot of people will prob die, worse than possibly syria



What exactly do you mean? Your leaders set themselves up for it,

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For insulting Persia?They are just barking in someways to behave with Persia but not all of them are like this...And also nobody will die because the government is still popular between the people...With no counting and from no statistics i can tell you still over 79% of people are liking government and 12% do not care about it(We behave with minority as well as we can also).only 9 % is really hostile toward the government...Also if you go and read about our revolution we gave more killeds than what is Syria giving now...But we cannot deny that Iran's populace is more with Islamic republic,it is something very regular for me to hear that without being surprised my friend...