What is your opinion on gay marriage?

[KimuraWannabe116]

Honostly I think it should be allowed. If the person really loves the person and they want to marry that person I think it should not be illegal to marry the person you truly want. They should not be arrested for the feelings they have for each other. allthough im not gay I still think they should let people marry whoever they wish. What do you think?

[Andy daMuzak mAn]

I agree 100% with you. I don't understand why people care that much. Let everyone love how they want to love is what I say, and if it doesnt hurt anyone then why stop them?

[Tristin.]

if you love someone, why should governments and religious organisations be allowed to decide if your love is 'legal'? My love for my boyfriend is no different than the love his sister has for her boyfriend. Our genitalia should not be taking into consideration when it comes to marriage. I am 100% behind supporting 'gay marriage', and i look forward to the day when topics such as these are not discussed, and only the term 'marriage' is used.

[xmojox]

I'm 100% in favor of same-sex marriage. It's stupid that people don't have equal rights yet in 2013.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

I am absolutely supportive of gay marriage, and since I am bisexual, I somewhat benefit from it's legality.

[Taurus]

Call it marriage equality. Then those homophobic douchebags will sound horrible when they say they're against it.

[nice]

I'm bi and I think it should be allowed but I really don't care for it that much really.

[Danny Phantom]

There is no reason why gay people cannot marry just like straight people. One should be able to marry who they love. A person's sexuality or who they love shouldn't determine if they have a right to get married. And also in my opinion, gov't and religion shouldn't come together in this case, as many do use religion as an excuse for not allowing gay marriage, which I feel is contradictory and disregards the idea of keeping state and religion separate.

[MaguireUk]

Im bi, but i dont agree with gay marriage for some reason to me its just wrong, and theres has been no problem thoughout all the years without it, so i dont think its needed yeah there treat everyone the same, but when im with a girl i show it, but when with a guy we just act like friends in public, not many people are ok with it, and i think getting married couldnt hide it then

[Gwen]

I feel as though this is just a circlejerk now. If anything Gay Marriage is something (almost) all of us want and there has been nothing new to talk about, so it's been bought up again. It's nice to remember that we're all for it but your over doing a bit guys...

[Ryhanna]

It's ridiculous that gay marriage is not legal. Love is genderless, and the fact that so many of us still fail to recognise this is disturbing.

[patrickthesportnerd]

everyone has a rigth to marry who cares wat sex they are

[xmojox]

Im bi, but i dont agree with gay marriage for some reason to me its just wrong, and theres has been no problem thoughout all the years without it, so i dont think its needed yeah there treat everyone the same, but when im with a girl i show it, but when with a guy we just act like friends in public, not many people are ok with it, and i think getting married couldnt hide it then

If you're happy to live your life (or part of it at least) in secret, that's fine for you: nobody is telling you to do otherwise. But, just because you're happy to live that way doesn't mean that everyone is. If two people love each other enough to want to commit for the rest of their lives, what does it matter their gender or sexuality? If your idea of getting along fine without it all these years is having a great many people unable to exercise the basic right of marrying the person they love and having a family, then I, for one, don't care for your idea of getting along.

[MaguireUk]

If you're happy to live your life (or part of it at least) in secret, that's fine for you: nobody is telling you to do otherwise. But, just because you're happy to live that way doesn't mean that everyone is. If two people love each other enough to want to commit for the rest of their lives, what does it matter their gender or sexuality? If your idea of getting along fine without it all these years is having a great many people unable to exercise the basic right of marrying the person they love and having a family, then I, for one, don't care for your idea of getting along.

Well they have never needed it and no one really cared, the was a civil marriage and everyone was ok with that so could get marriaged just not in the eyes of God! Yeah i live part my life in secret and will keep it that way, but civil marriage has been around for a while, getting married now meaning in the eyes of God is just plain wrong to me and just to let you know its to but thoughts on here about the subject so not really bothered if you dont care for my idea, its just what i think of it

[xmojox]

Well they have never needed it and no one really cared, the was a civil marriage and everyone was ok with that so could get marriaged just not in the eyes of God! Yeah i live part my life in secret and will keep it that way, but civil marriage has been around for a while, getting married now meaning in the eyes of God is just plain wrong to me and just to let you know its to but thoughts on here about the subject so not really bothered if you dont care for my idea, its just what i think of it

Where I live, most states don't even have civil unions, and only 8 states allow marriage. The problem is that neither other states nor the federal government recognize either, and, people would like to change that. We aren't necessarily speaking of marriage in the eyes of God, but, marriage in the eyes of the government. The eyes of God depend upon the individual church in question, and isn't something that I'm qualified to judge. What I'm speaking to is equal rights for all in the eyes of the law. Why should a same-sex couple not have all the same rights and responsibilities as a hetero couple? Is wanting equal rights for all a bad thing?

[Haydenn3]

i think gay marriage should be allowed everywhere if people can marry the Eiffel tower then why the heck cant someone marry together sometimes i think religion shouldn't be so powerful

[OFD-Lt.Mark]

I think that marriage is an agreement between two peeople that love each other, to always love each other. Are the people who say no denying that they love each other? They cant. If two gay people love each other than they should be able to be married simple as that.

[Caldwell]

You're not going to find many people here who are against it. The only person who is, as shown above, could only give the reason "it's just wrong to me." This thread is a circle jerk.

[MaguireUk]

Where I live, most states don't even have civil unions, and only 8 states allow marriage. The problem is that neither other states nor the federal government recognize either, and, people would like to change that. We aren't necessarily speaking of marriage in the eyes of God, but, marriage in the eyes of the government. The eyes of God depend upon the individual church in question, and isn't something that I'm qualified to judge. What I'm speaking to is equal rights for all in the eyes of the law. Why should a same-sex couple not have all the same rights and responsibilities as a hetero couple? Is wanting equal rights for all a bad thing?

Well thats different i thought it was like over in england anyone cant have a civil partnerships well i guess over there yeah you do have to fight for it, everyone should at least have a civil marriage, now i see your point, just thought you had civil marriage over there

[xmojox]

Well thats different i thought it was like over in england anyone cant have a civil partnerships well i guess over there yeah you do have to fight for it, everyone should at least have a civil marriage, now i see your point, just thought you had civil marriage over there

I don't think anyone is suggesting that churches be forced to perform any ceremony they don't want to perform, although, there are churches here more than happy to accept LGBT people. In fact, here the government couldn't force a church to do anything that violated it's beliefs. All people want are the same rights (taxes, hospital visitation, etc.) that are enjoyed by hetero couples.

Some states have civil unions and some allow marriage. Here, even when a marriage is performed in a church, it's by the authority of the state. Is that different in the UK?

[MaguireUk]

Yes over here we have civil partnership thats it, but it got allowed that same sax genders are all to be marriage in a church now where i think its wrong talked to father paul last sunday and he said so many same sex marriages now and he really doesnt want to do them because its agaist his religion

[Haydenn3]

Yes over here we have civil partnership thats it, but it got allowed that same sax genders are all to be marriage in a church now where i think its wrong talked to father paul last sunday and he said so many same sex marriages now and he really doesnt want to do them because its agaist his religion

Yeah i do think it should be upto the church if they conduct same sex marriage it is kind of an insult to there beliefs

[xmojox]

Yes over here we have civil partnership thats it, but it got allowed that same sax genders are all to be marriage in a church now where i think its wrong talked to father paul last sunday and he said so many same sex marriages now and he really doesnt want to do them because its agaist his religion

Yeah i do think it should be upto the church if they conduct same sex marriage it is kind of an insult to there beliefs

It's no more right for a church to be forced to do something they don't believe in than it is to keep same-sex couples from marrying to satisfy the religious beliefs of others. Infringing someone's religious belief is not equal rights.

[MaguireUk]

It's no more right for a church to be forced to do something they don't believe in than it is to keep same-sex couples from marrying to satisfy the religious beliefs of others. Infringing someone's religious belief is not equal rights.

So were in agreement then, there should be something everywhere like a civil marriage or partnership but churches should not be forced or sam sex marriage should not happen at a church unless the pope says

[Mayon]

I am 75% for it. gay Partnership is there instead, but that doesn't offer some of the features of proper marriage. Christians should not be so nosy, it has absolutely no effect on them. France just legalised gay marriage and did all the married couples around the world suddenly feel their marriage was not as [can't think of the word.....] ...valid? No.

[CoolKid97]

I think anyone should be able to marry. Everyone should be able to spend their life with whoever they want! :)

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Yeah i do think it should be upto the church if they conduct same sex marriage it is kind of an insult to there beliefs

Churches really shouldn't be associated with marriage. That's the reason why it's an issue.

[KimuraWannabe116]

I dont think christians should be involved in this, I mean I highly doubt they are many gay christians out there, so how does it effect them? These people shouldn't decide other peoples lives and futures. It just sounds wrong that you cant marry the person you love.

[Kuurachan]

I totally agree! Love is love, no matter who between. I get so mad when I see people treating it like an illness. People should be free to marry whoever they please, since it is their life after all. Funny, I used to be completely homophobic a while ago...
I always thought that what I saw on movies was the absolute truth. I've really changed since then, I've seen that I was really being judgemental. I'm a Christian and it says specifically to not judge others until you can completely know them. Some religious people say that the bible says it's against what God says, but I've read it and it never does. Also, God tells the readers that if only they believe in him,they will go to heaven.

[teen.jpg]

I am absolutely supportive of gay marriage, and since I am bisexual, I somewhat benefit from it's legality.

This.

[Backflipboy]

The individual church should be able to decide, and there are many churches of Christianity that do support homosexual marriage - such as some branches of Quakers for example. Whilst I am in support of homosexual marriage, it is unfair to force a society to do what they feel is wrong.

[ChrisA1998]

Honostly I think it should be allowed. If the person really loves the person and they want to marry that person I think it should not be illegal to marry the person you truly want. They should not be arrested for the feelings they have for each other. allthough im not gay I still think they should let people marry whoever they wish. What do you think?

I agree 100% with you. I don't understand why people care that much. Let everyone love how they want to love is what I say, and if it doesnt hurt anyone then why stop them?

if you love someone, why should governments and religious organisations be allowed to decide if your love is 'legal'? My love for my boyfriend is no different than the love his sister has for her boyfriend. Our genitalia should not be taking into consideration when it comes to marriage. I am 100% behind supporting 'gay marriage', and i look forward to the day when topics such as these are not discussed, and only the term 'marriage' is used.

I agree with all three of you, a wedding does not cause harm to anyone, so why do people care so much about their neighbors getting married ?

[kirikiri94]

Marriage is OK but a child needs to live with a mother and a father

[Twilly F. Sniper]

The individual church should be able to decide, and there are many churches of Christianity that do support homosexual marriage - such as some branches of Quakers for example. Whilst I am in support of homosexual marriage, it is unfair to force a society to do what they feel is wrong.

That is somewhat true... However, surveys show a majority in support of gay marriage, even with religious communities.

The User above me needs to know something.
It is true that society looks down upon a child with two fathers or two mothers, however, they are not bad parents. In fact, sometimes Much MUCH better than some straight couples.

[LiamC]

To be honest, given the church's view on homosexuality, I don't really want to get married in a church BUT I think we should still have equal rights. It's ridiculous that homosexuals don't have equal rights, we're still human. It's not as if we're some sub species who can't function properly and shouldn't have any rights.... All that's different from everybody else is that we are attracted to the same sex; something which we can't help anymore than our eye colour, height, shoe size or gender.

[Jevon]

I just think they should let people love who ever the fuck they want and that they should all have the same rites

[naglfari]

Yeah i do think it should be upto the church if they conduct same sex marriage it is kind of an insult to there beliefs

their beliefs are an insult but no one thinks a church should have to marry anyone it doesn't want to.

[Meh Guy]

It should be, but that's just my opinion

[JonasBe]

100% supporter of same-sex marriage.
Love is universal.

[LouBerry]

Well, I'm not going to go into my personal opinion, because I always get bitched out, but in the U.S, it's honestly not right for the Federal Government to say, "Mmm, no, you can't get married because it's not Biblically correct, sorry." It should be up to the state governments. Of course, this means that in Christian/Conservative states like Arkansas, it probably wouldn't ever be legal, but that's how a Democracy works.

[Lovelife090994]

In truth, a part of me disagrees, but I do not care. Cela n'est pas mon chose... Not my thing. I'd rather not have same sex marriage all over but in a world where those with my views on this get shut up by the same who preach radical tolerance, that is all I will say. To me I guess, let love be love... well my meaning if love is slightly different but I don't care, I let others be. But I live in a conservative state and am from one... neither would approve of same-sex marriage.

Well, I'm not going to go into my personal opinion, because I always get bitched out, but in the U.S, it's honestly not right for the Federal Government to say, "Mmm, no, you can't get married because it's not Biblically correct, sorry." It should be up to the state governments. Of course, this means that in Christian/Conservative states like Arkansas, it probably wouldn't ever be legal, but that's how a Democracy works.

I agree... sadly if you do not think like this or that on the issue, you get dogged worse than a dog usually...

Please don't double post~DerBear

[VictoriaGotaSecret]

I think it should be legal. One day id like to be with the person I love and not have the law say no. People love who they love and that's all that matters. LEGALIZE

[PinkFloyd]

Love
Is
Never
Wrong

[Charlie48]

i'm all for it, don't see the harm in it. Religion needs to update itself.

[Andy daMuzak mAn]

I'm for it completely...and I find it so ironic that the same people wanting to limit gay people's basic rights cry about gays not being loving and accepting of their opinion. So basically "you be more accepting of me not being accepting, jerkfaces!" lolol

[BebeFleur.]

Easy said: No one can tell you who you can and cannot love. It is the 21st and we need marriage equality. If a church doesn't want to perform same sex marriage, go to a different one or don't get married with a church. :)

[Kirino Kousaka]

i think it should be allowed aswell, why should your preference be the difference between benefits if you truly love that person?

[Toogley Schmurp]

Well they have never needed it and no one really cared, the was a civil marriage and everyone was ok with that so could get marriaged just not in the eyes of God! Yeah i live part my life in secret and will keep it that way, but civil marriage has been around for a while, getting married now meaning in the eyes of God is just plain wrong to me and just to let you know its to but thoughts on here about the subject so not really bothered if you dont care for my idea, its just what i think of it

In the same part of the bible that says being gay is wrong (leviticus), it also says you can't wear clothing that is made of 2 fabrics.

[Lovelife090994]

In the same part of the bible that says being gay is wrong (leviticus), it also says you can't wear clothing that is made of 2 fabrics.

Are you being sarcastic or protestant? Not Protestant but protestant.

[Starling City]

I think gay marriage needs to be legalized. There's no reason why two men or women who love each other shouldn't be able to show that to one another through marriage. The religious activists against homosexuals are idiotic when it comes down to it. It's none of their business to intervene and deny equality and happiness to others. How is it going to affect someone if gay couples are married? What's it going to do to you? How will it personally affect you? They all say that, "A higher power will judge them for their indecencies and they'll go straight to hell." Well, temporarily disregarding the fact that God loves us for who we are and it's not a sin to simply love, then that's that person's personal belief on the topic, but if it has nothing to do with how they'll be "judged" when they die, then leave the matter alone. It just bothers the hell out of me how some anti-gay people are.

I just don't know why people can't be accepting of others. I can't believe how much hate and discrimination we have in current times. It's 2013, and people need to just learn to accept others for who they are or leave them alone.

~Please don't double post~DerBear

[johnsmith1]

To each their own. If two people love each other, who am I to stop them from getting married - it has no affect on me. I've also heard of a lot of happy gay couples, and a lot of miserable straight ones. In the UK 1 in 3 marrages ends in divorce! Love is not confined to 1 male and 1 female.

[abbie]

why does everyone think that the only reason 2 b against gay marriage is religion? and why do u say that everyone here is for it?

[Thekiid031]

i think its fine and people should marry who they want. however i dont think its neccesary or right to expose these sexuality and marriage stuff to the world espicially children. it makes ppl start to think about their sexuality when they are like only ten or twelve... im against that part... but the marriage thing, people should marry who they love.

[Faolan]

I feel as though this is just a circlejerk now. If anything Gay Marriage is something (almost) all of us want and there has been nothing new to talk about, so it's been bought up again. It's nice to remember that we're all for it but your over doing a bit guys...

But if you don't overdo it, your voice will never get heard. It's the best way to get anything done.

[Gwen]

But if you don't overdo it, your voice will never get heard. It's the best way to get anything done.

Our voice is heard everyday and we can petition and vote, but continually spamming it on a website that is a majority Gay Marriage group. This is uneeded and just a circlejerk, I don't understand why it needs to be a weekly topic.

[Smeagol]

My personal opinion is that gay marriage ought to be legalized, but it is up to churches if they want to perform church marriages to same sex couples. I believe that we must have a separation of church and state and therefore gay marriage must be legalized, marriage is a basic right. I believe that gay couples should have the same rights that come along with marriage. Many of these rights and tax breaks and things come for straight couples, they are intended for straight couples with kids. Straight couples with children, straight couples who are infertile, straight couples who are never planning on raising children... they get these rights too. The argument here is that gay couples cannot have children. However there are many options such as surrogate mothers, sperm donors, and adoption. I believe that it is likely that the same percentage of gay couples to straight couples will produce children. Anyways, I digress. Gay marriage ought to be legalized everywhere, and I guess it's just gotta be left to the churches whether or not they allow gay couples to wed in a church service.

[giofighter]

I say YES to the Gay Marriage.Whatever is your sexual preferences you are still a human being equal with the other people who are straight.Being doesn't make you something bad.I hate guys who are being so judgemental about gay couples and people.

[Sofield]

Honestly, I don't agree with gay marriage. God made men to be with women and women to be with men. Not he other way around. I believe having feelings or relations with the same sex is wrong and an act against gods way of life. So if ur gay and reading this I'm not trying to be afensive but that's how I see it. U may think I'm being ignerant or acting like a dick but that's how I see it, and I'm just keepin it real, so don't be Haten!

[ugaboy]

I think it should be legal. Who am I to judge or decide who can marry who?

[Ace of Spades]

Honestly, I don't agree with gay marriage. God made men to be with women and women to be with men. Not he other way around. I believe having feelings or relations with the same sex is wrong and an act against gods way of life. So if ur gay and reading this I'm not trying to be afensive but that's how I see it. U may think I'm being ignerant or acting like a dick but that's how I see it, and I'm just keepin it real, so don't be Haten!

But......you are "haten"

[nice]

I'm bi and I personally don't care 2 shits for it. It's gonna happen sooner or later so people need to just calm down and wait.

[kirikiri94]

I disagree with gay or lesbian couples to adop a baby.

[Ace of Spades]

I disagree with gay or lesbian couples to adop a baby.

Why???

[Lovelife090994]

I do not support gay marriage and it contradicts my views, which unlike American politicians, I will not change to fit someone else, but still, I cannot stop it and would only be hated if I did. Let their form of love be, I guess for now. Besides, not sure how gay marriage helps with marriages ending within the first 15 years if that, just more people for lawyers to swindle. Why should the government be involved?
Not sure if this subject will end well, however...

[naglfari]

I do not support gay marriage and it contradicts my views, which unlike American politicians, I will not change to fit someone else, but still, I cannot stop it and would only be hated if I did. Let their form of love be, I guess for now. Besides, not sure how gay marriage helps with marriages ending within the first 15 years if that, just more people for lawyers to swindle. Why should the government be involved?
Not sure if this subject will end well, however...

Your views make you a bigot

"government shouldn't be involved in marriage"what a dumb copout no one complained about government being involved when it was just straight people marrying

[Lovelife090994]

Your views make you a bigot

"government shouldn't be involved in marriage"what a dumb copout no one complained about government being involved when it was just straight people marrying

I knew someone would use that one, I am no bigot, or do you not know it's proper meaning? Why so defensive? Oh I see, you represent the gay community that hates those of a different moral fiber and opinion, in essence, another view is to be hated? You want equality? Quit shooting down others. Have a blessed day!

[MrVanity]

Just legalized in NZ
Woo
It should be allowed duh

[ugaboy]

Chris, If I remember reading correctly some of your previous posts - you think that you may be bi. I understand your issues, as I am catholic. So everything I do is against my church. But still, I think religion should not intrude on who you love. But what do I know, I am still young and don't know my direction yet.

[Ace of Spades]

I knew someone would use that one, I am no bigot, or do you not know it's proper meaning? Why so defensive? Oh I see, you represent the gay community that hates those of a different moral fiber and opinion, in essence, another view is to be hated? You want equality? Quit shooting down others. Have a blessed day!

You accuse him of being belligerent, geez, talk about hypocritical. According to your earlier post, you are by all means a bigot.

[Lovelife090994]

You accuse him of being belligerent, geez, talk about hypocritical. According to your earlier post, you are by all means a bigot.

I suggested belligerence, and please, you have a pretty face, do not mar it by your words dear, it's unattractive. You are now the bigot, you want equality which is lovely in itself but you're willing to malign a whole group to get it. Heretofore, I wasn't going to reply, I'll reply if you want to discuss this in a civilized manner.

[Lovelife090994]

Chris, If I remember reading correctly some of your previous posts - you think that you may be bi. I understand your issues, as I am catholic. So everything I do is against my church. But still, I think religion should not intrude on who you love. But what do I know, I am still young and don't know my direction yet.

At least thank you for now calling me everything but my name. My confusion is pretty much gone now after seeing things and talking to my mother about it. As of direction some take time to find it, you'll find yours too. And the bible actually details what love is in a very nice way, sadly the modern interpretation is very different. 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 The NIV sums it up in better diction.

[kirikiri94]

Why???

Each child deserves a mother and a father.

[naglfari]

I knew someone would use that one, I am no bigot, or do you not know it's proper meaning? Why so defensive? Oh I see, you represent the gay community that hates those of a different moral fiber and opinion, in essence, another view is to be hated? You want equality? Quit shooting down others. Have a blessed day!

if you don't believe gay people deserve equal rights then you're a bigot full stop. yeah you have different moral fiber, just like people who wanted to keep segregation.

[Lovelife090994]

if you don't believe gay people deserve equal rights then you're a bigot full stop. yeah you have different moral fiber, just like people who wanted to keep segregation.

You missed what I said earlier, oh well, if you call anyone who simply thinks different than you which is millions, a bigot, without knowing the meaning, your problem. Bless you though, I have more to do than argue, if you're trying to debate, here, I'm gone. Cheers!

[Lovelife090994]

Each child deserves a mother and a father.

You're in France, I heard gay marriage was passed there despite the protests, then again, President Hollande barely got in office with a near 50% popular vote. I feel the same. Une maman et un papa pour tous les enfants, toujours. A mother and a father for all chidren. If only this was more possible.

[Rina]

I think that if people stopped minding in others' business, the world would be a better place. You're not marrying them, so why should you care what they do? People should marry who they want, regardless of gender. If it's love, it's love. Church and government is supposed to separated, I thought.

I'm a Christian, I do not support gay marriage, but I am not against it. I'm totally indifferent. I'm more, do whatever you want, does it affect me? Not really. Selfish, maybe, but true.

[kirikiri94]

if you don't believe gay people deserve equal rights then you're a bigot full stop. yeah you have different moral fiber, just like people who wanted to keep segregation.

No, I don't. Children's rights are more important. I was raised by two women. I have always missed a father. It's unjust.

[naglfari]

No, I don't. Children's rights are more important. I was raised by two women. I have always missed a father. It's unjust.

lol I don't believe you at all

[naglfari]

You missed what I said earlier, oh well, if you call anyone who simply thinks different than you which is millions, a bigot, without knowing the meaning, your problem. Bless you though, I have more to do than argue, if you're trying to debate, here, I'm gone. Cheers!

"Just because I think black people should stay segregated doesn't mean I'm a racist"

"Just because I think women shouldn't be allowed to vote doesn't make me a misogynist"

that's what I'm hearing from you

[Lovelife090994]

"Just because I think black people should stay segregated doesn't mean I'm a racist"

"Just because I think women shouldn't be allowed to vote doesn't make me a misogynist"

that's what I'm hearing from you

I never used those words.

[Lovelife090994]

lol I don't believe you at all

Honestly, you are one of the most boorish people I've seen on here. Have you nothing better to do?

[naglfari]

I never used those words.

you said the gay equivalent.

I don't like small minded people

[Lovelife090994]

you said the gay equivalent.

I don't like small minded people

How do you sound? You sound terrible! Bye! I'll pray for you! This is why so many oppose this stuff! Mean-spirited supporters like you I dare say! FYI race and gender has nothing to do with this topic, nor does insulting me ever help.

[naglfari]

How do you sound? You sound terrible! Bye! I'll pray for you! This is why so many oppose this stuff! Mean-spirited supporters like you I dare say! FYI race and gender has nothing to do with this topic, nor does insulting me ever help.

you're just a bad person is what it comes down to and I'm treating you as such

[Lovelife090994]

you're just a bad person is what it comes down to and I'm treating you as such

Call me as you wish since you know not of me or of me anyway, but please, why are you so angry? You must be, what, 16? How dare you insult someone blindly out of your own accord? I am not a bad person. A bad person is the accuser usually. Careful, your words are mirroring.

[Elysium]

100% support.

[naglfari]

Call me as you wish since you know not of me or of me anyway, but please, why are you so angry? You must be, what, 16? How dare you insult someone blindly out of your own accord? I am not a bad person. A bad person is the accuser usually. Careful, your words are mirroring.

I'm not a bad person for pointing out that your ignorance hurts people and you want to keep things unfair

[Lovelife090994]

I'm not a bad person for pointing out that your ignorance hurts people and you want to keep things unfair

Who said I want to keep things unfair? Do not cast judgement so quickly. You are very general, try not being so general. The only person's ignorance showing is yours. Putting words in my mouth or trying to, and such. Good Night!

[Ace of Spades]

Call me as you wish since you know not of me or of me anyway, but please, why are you so angry? You must be, what, 16? How dare you insult someone blindly out of your own accord? I am not a bad person. A bad person is the accuser usually. Careful, your words are mirroring.

Get off your high horse already.

[paulw]

Is this really help and advice on teen sexuality?

I've never understood the need to keep having the debate but certain people need to chill out and have their fights in private or not at all....

Personally I happen to think that if two people want to subject themselves to marriage, they should be allowed to go right ahead. It's clearly an emotional issue though (which is why most of this thread is now kinda useless).

[crepesuzette]

i am all for it.

[Lovelife090994]

Get off your high horse already.

Really? This was said to him to tell him to knock it off already, not you.

[Hunter_Steel]

Dude come on. You've made yourself look like an ass the entire time. Just apologize and learn how to speak in a less offensive manner.

~Hunter

[Andy daMuzak mAn]

Get off your high horse already.

Dude come on. You've made yourself look like an ass the entire time. Just apologize and learn how to speak in a less offensive manner.

~Hunter

This!

Worry about your own dang life...I don't get how people can be so opposed to something that doesn't affect them the slightest bit.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

[Lovelife090994]

Dude come on. You've made yourself look like an ass the entire time. Just apologize and learn how to speak in a less offensive manner.

~Hunter

You do realize that I've already talked to the two whom confronted me right? This concerns you how?

[Ace of Spades]

You do realize that I've already talked to the two whom confronted me right? This concerns you how?

Hunter does have a point though.

[Lovelife090994]

Hunter does have a point though.

True, you are right, but what am I supposed to do? Let people talk about me without commenting back? Sorry that I probably look like an idiot but still...

[TheDeepestDepths]

I do not understand why religion is even being mentioned in this thread. Being joined for life in the face of God and being joined in the face of the government should be two completely different things.

One is for your own and your partners benefit and one is to do with money and children, the practical aspect basically. I do not believe that religion should have anything to do with how a country is run, I believe it just leads to discrimination.

When it's to do with religion, I don't care, I am not part of your religion and I'm not going to judge it's rules and the way you live your life. But the rules you live by should not in any way be the rules everyone else in the world has to live by. And this is why I don't care what religion says, if a gay couple want to be married, let them. If you don't want to be married to a gay person then don't marry them. Simple as.

[Ace of Spades]

True, you are right, but what am I supposed to do? Let people talk about me without commenting back? Sorry that I probably look like an idiot but still...

You should apologize

[xmojox]

Dang, this sure got heated!! Christopher, what's your objection to same-sex marriage? I'm honestly curious.

[Lovelife090994]

Well, then fine, accept my apologies for my actions and for having different views.

[Lovelife090994]

You should apologize

I did.

[Lovelife090994]

Dang, this sure got heated!! Christopher, what's your objection to same-sex marriage? I'm honestly curious.

Can I be honest? My views on homosexuality alone are two things. One: I see homosexuality as something that although many do, it is immoral, and disgusting to me, the people are fine, but the act, not my cup of tea. Two: As to marriage, technically in parts of America gays can get married and they can do as I can, marry one person of the opposite sex.

[xmojox]

Can I be honest? My views on homosexuality alone are two things. One: I see homosexuality as something that although many do, it is immoral, and disgusting to me, the people are fine, but the act, not my cup of tea. Two: As to marriage, technically in parts of America gays can get married and they can do as I can, marry one person of the opposite sex.

Thanks, man, I appreciate the honesty. May I ask a question, please?

[Someguy42]

I personally don't care for the whole gay issue. They live and die like the rest of us. I think a lot of the controversy, believe it or not, would be reduced a lot if gays came up with another name for their unions rather than "Marriage"
Maybe call it a Homosexual Union or something. "Marriage" is a word that triggers a lot of tradition and religion to it.

[Lovelife090994]

Thanks, man, I appreciate the honesty. May I ask a question, please?

Why not? ask away.

[SaxyHaloBeast]

I heard something the other day that was kind of interesting. So you all know how homosexuals want to be able to marry just like heterosexuals do, but I've found a legitimate reason that they shouldn't be allowed to participate in marriage. Just hear me out.

Say there is this kid, just graduated high school, and he wants to go to college. The college he really wants to go to is a very elite and selective college. He studies and takes all the tests, but he doesn't get a good enough grade. His GPA isn't high enough and his test scores are too low. The college can't accept him because he doesn't qualify, he doesn't meet the requirements. This can be likened unto marriage. There are certain definitions of marriage that have been set. If you don't meet those prerequisites, then you cannot be married. I'm sorry if that offends or disappoints homosexuals or anyone else, but the definition of marriage cannot be easily altered. Hopefully you understand that your attempts at changing something very precious to many people offends them just as much as not being able to marry offends you.

I really hope that this made sense and at least got some people thinking.

[naglfari]

True, you are right, but what am I supposed to do? Let people talk about me without commenting back? Sorry that I probably look like an idiot but still...

how about admit you're wrong and you were basically a hateful, evil bigot and you're going to be better from now on?

[naglfari]

Dude come on. You've made yourself look like an ass the entire time. Just apologize and learn how to speak in a less offensive manner.

~Hunter

how he speaks isn't the problem. what he believes is the problem.

[xmojox]

You guys are lookin pretty shabby. Relax on this guy a little bit. He's eititled to his opinion just as everyone is. Being mean accomplishes nothing.

Why not? ask away.

I'm wondering how you'd feel if people tried to keep you from marrying someone you really truly love. The reason doesnt matter, just pretend there's a person you're in love with. Want to commit to for the rest of your life. And "they" say you can't marry that person. How would you feel?

[Lovelife090994]

You guys are lookin pretty shabby. Relax on this guy a little bit. He's eititled to his opinion just as everyone is. Being mean accomplishes nothing.



I'm wondering how you'd feel if people tried to keep you from marrying someone you really truly love. The reason doesnt matter, just pretend there's a person you're in love with. Want to commit to for the rest of your life. And "they" say you can't marry that person. How would you feel?

Thanks for the nicer comments, I needed that. I would not stop a marriage I see as wrong but for me, I want to marry a woman, and to be honest, I don't see myslef getting married in the future. I don't know if a woman would be willing to be with me. I think I'm better off alone.

[Lovelife090994]

how about admit you're wrong and you were basically a hateful, evil bigot and you're going to be better from now on?

how he speaks isn't the problem. what he believes is the problem.

Both of you are harrassing me, stop. Two you are no better than me, grow up, respect uour elders, and quit the name calling. All you're doing is insulting a screen. I am entitled to my opinion and my faith. So in kindness, knock, it, off, please and thank you. I'll pray for you both and yes I forgive you, you know not what you do.

[Kochanek]

I think everyone should have the right to marry the person he or she loves!

It is a big discussion here in Europe too. Let me say it like this:
I read about a scientific study, that beeing into guys or girls depends on the amount of testosterone you got from your mother during pregnancy. Usually boys get more and become straight, and girls get less and become straight. So what they said is, that getting less testosterne than usual makes a boy become homosexual and getting more than usual makes a girl become lesbian...

If it is like this, then it is evident, that homosexuality and heterosexuality are congenital just as the colour of the skin.
So judging people by this or refusing any rights is in my eyes somehow "sexual racism".

The question deals in a lot of countries also about taxes.

In Germany a certain amount of income - the so called "subsistence income" (the money a person needs at least to live) - is tax-free. If you are married and your partner has no income, then the "subsistence income" of both is tax-free. So you only have to pay taxes on the income you have above this level. But if you are gay and your partner has no income, then only the "subsistence income" of yourself is tax-free.
So is this fair?

[xmojox]

Thanks for the nicer comments, I needed that. I would not stop a marriage I see as wrong but for me, I want to marry a woman, and to be honest, I don't see myslef getting married in the future. I don't know if a woman would be willing to be with me. I think I'm better off alone.
No problem. You are entitled to your views and your faith the same as everyone else is. I'm glad to know that you wouldn't want to stop anyone from marrying, and that you realize that giving same-sex couples the right to marry doesn't infringe on your right to marry who you wish, if you choose to marry at all. I don't think your later comment about respecting elders is appropriate because this is a teen peer help site and the attitude that implies doesn't really fit. You seem to be a troubled person, and if you ever need to talk feel free to PM me.

I think everyone should have the right to marry the person he or she loves!

It is a big discussion here in Europe too. Let me say it like this:
I read about a scientific study, that beeing into guys or girls depends on the amount of testosterone you got from your mother during pregnancy. Usually boys get more and become straight, and girls get less and become straight. So what they said is, that getting less testosterne than usual makes a boy become homosexual and getting more than usual makes a girl become lesbian...

If it is like this, then it is evident, that homosexuality and heterosexuality are congenital just as the colour of the skin.
So judging people by this or refusing any rights is in my eyes somehow "sexual racism".

The question deals in a lot of countries also about taxes.

In Germany a certain amount of income - the so called "subsistence income" (the money a person needs at least to live) - is tax-free. If you are married and your partner has no income, then the "subsistence income" of both is tax-free. So you only have to pay taxes on the income you have above this level. But if you are gay and your partner has no income, then only the "subsistence income" of yourself is tax-free.
So is this fair?

This is it exactly. All that people want is equality. All the same benefits that heterosexual couples get. I can't understand how some people think that equality is a bad thing.

I heard something the other day that was kind of interesting. So you all know how homosexuals want to be able to marry just like heterosexuals do, but I've found a legitimate reason that they shouldn't be allowed to participate in marriage. Just hear me out.

Say there is this kid, just graduated high school, and he wants to go to college. The college he really wants to go to is a very elite and selective college. He studies and takes all the tests, but he doesn't get a good enough grade. His GPA isn't high enough and his test scores are too low. The college can't accept him because he doesn't qualify, he doesn't meet the requirements. This can be likened unto marriage. There are certain definitions of marriage that have been set. If you don't meet those prerequisites, then you cannot be married. I'm sorry if that offends or disappoints homosexuals or anyone else, but the definition of marriage cannot be easily altered. Hopefully you understand that your attempts at changing something very precious to many people offends them just as much as not being able to marry offends you.

I really hope that this made sense and at least got some people thinking.

The problem with your analogy is that the Supreme Court has said that marriage is a basic human right. Going to the university of your choice isn't.


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[Hunter_Steel]

Both of you are harassing me, stop. Two you are no better than me, grow up, respect your elders, and quit the name calling. All you're doing is insulting a screen. I am entitled to my opinion and my faith. So in kindness, knock, it, off, please and thank you. I'll pray for you both and yes I forgive you, you know not what you do.

How old are you exactly? That comment just pissed me off. Respect is due where Respect is earned. If you want my Respect, don't expect me to give it freely, you have to earn it, otherwise no respect whatsoever. You came off as disrespectful, so you should change that or else people will think you are disrespectful all the time.

Stop telling people that their attitude will ruin their good looks, thats something I expect my french boss to say, not a guy from Ohio. Unless you think your better than everyone else.

Now, I am sorry I attacked you, but I had to step in and tell you to just shut up before you actually hurt someone. Before you post anything, think of how it will be received by other people, edit what is appropriate to edit and then post.

Also, remember one thing. Respect is due when Respect is given, nothing more nothing else.

Anyways: About this, I used to be against Gay Marriage, not openly, but since my recent changes in life, I am now all for it.

~Hunter

[irish_dude_16]

i think it should b aloud 100% and i dont see why sum people dont want it ?!!! equal right for all!

[naglfari]

You guys are lookin pretty shabby. Relax on this guy a little bit. He's eititled to his opinion just as everyone is. Being mean accomplishes nothing.




you're entitled to believe black people and women are inferior too but other people are entitled to shit on you for being such a terrible person

[Lovelife090994]

you're entitled to believe black people and women are inferior too but other people are entitled to shit on you for being such a terrible person

How old are you exactly? That comment just pissed me off. Respect is due where Respect is earned. If you want my Respect, don't expect me to give it freely, you have to earn it, otherwise no respect whatsoever. You came off as disrespectful, so you should change that or else people will think you are disrespectful all the time.

Stop telling people that their attitude will ruin their good looks, thats something I expect my french boss to say, not a guy from Ohio. Unless you think your better than everyone else.

Now, I am sorry I attacked you, but I had to step in and tell you to just shut up before you actually hurt someone. Before you post anything, think of how it will be received by other people, edit what is appropriate to edit and then post.

Also, remember one thing. Respect is due when Respect is given, nothing more nothing else.

Anyways: About this, I used to be against Gay Marriage, not openly, but since my recent changes in life, I am now all for it.

~Hunter

You two are so hypocritical, and sadly, you are blind to see it! Respect is to be given regardless, you do not disrespect outright, that is terrible! No, I will not apologize for my views. No, I did not say speaking ugly makes you ugly, but hey, if you speak ugly, and are attractive, your ugly ways with your words show, and no matter how pretty or attractive you are is irrelevant in light of your lack of true inner beauty. And again, stop the harrassment, please, it's annoying, rude, uncouth, belligerent, intolerant, the true meaning of bigoted, and very, very, anti. God Bless you both! I'm still praying for you! Hate me if you want, I love you! And yes I'm 18 going on 19 so, respect your elders else your rant on respect is null and void. Oh and lastly, race and sexuality are not like topics, one you are born with, one you have morally, to be heterosexual you are born with.

[Lovelife090994]

No problem. You are entitled to your views and your faith the same as everyone else is. I'm glad to know that you wouldn't want to stop anyone from marrying, and that you realize that giving same-sex couples the right to marry doesn't infringe on your right to marry who you wish, if you choose to marry at all. I don't think your later comment about respecting elders is appropriate because this is a teen peer help site and the attitude that implies doesn't really fit. You seem to be a troubled person, and if you ever need to talk feel free to PM me.



This is it exactly. All that people want is equality. All the same benefits that heterosexual couples get. I can't understand how some people think that equality is a bad thing.

One, I'm not troubled, just tired of others denying my opinion when I simply say I disagree versus me saying I hate them. Thanks for your partial concern, but I don't think I should talk to someone who is like my opposite.

[xmojox]

One, I'm not troubled, just tired of others denying my opinion when I simply say I disagree versus me saying I hate them. Thanks for your partial concern, but I don't think I should talk to someone who is like my opposite.

Good for you then bub

You two are so hypocritical, and sadly, you are blind to see it! Respect is to be given regardless, you do not disrespect outright, that is terrible! No, I will not apologize for my views. No, I did not say speaking ugly makes you ugly, but hey, if you speak ugly, and are attractive, your ugly ways with your words show, and no matter how pretty or attractive you are is irrelevant in light of your lack of true inner beauty. And again, stop the harrassment, please, it's annoying, rude, uncouth, belligerent, intolerant, the true meaning of bigoted, and very, very, anti. God Bless you both! I'm still praying for you! Hate me if you want, I love you! And yes I'18 going on 19 so, respect your elders else your rant on respect is null and void. Oh and lastly, race and sexuality are not like topics, one you are born with, one you have morally, to be heterosexual you are born with.

Being 18 going on 19 doesn't entitle you to respect. You aren't an elder you're a peer so stop prattling on about respecting elders. The second thing you said is total Bullshit. Sexuality isn't chosen and if your mom convinced you otherwise, enjoy the meltdown you're gonna have someday.

[Hunter_Steel]

You two are so hypocritical, and sadly, you are blind to see it! Respect is to be given regardless, you do not disrespect outright, that is terrible! No, I will not apologize for my views. No, I did not say speaking ugly makes you ugly, but hey, if you speak ugly, and are attractive, your ugly ways with your words show, and no matter how pretty or attractive you are is irrelevant in light of your lack of true inner beauty. And again, stop the harrassment, please, it's annoying, rude, uncouth, belligerent, intolerant, the true meaning of bigoted, and very, very, anti. God Bless you both! I'm still praying for you! Hate me if you want, I love you! And yes I'm 18 going on 19 so, respect your elders else your rant on respect is null and void. Oh and lastly, race and sexuality are not like topics, one you are born with, one you have morally, to be heterosexual you are born with.

Look man, telling me to respect you, is not going to make me respect you anymore than I respected you from the start. And when you started to become so so so up yourself it was getting on my nerves and the Respect I had, dropped to the level where the ant taking scraps of food from the blades of grass when I throw bred crumbs out for the birds, has more respect from me than you do from me. You expect to come here, think you can tell people you'll pray for them, tell them their inner beauty is ruined because of their attitude and very little tolerance for taking shit from people, and also from going all Godly on people here? I am sorry but if you want respect, you better start earning it.

Don't pray for me, I pray for myself and my own salvation, I don't need pity from you or anyone for that matter. I know the bible says to respect your elders, but in this day and age, this law no longer applies. Want my respect? You better damn well earn it before you start demanding it from me. The more you demand respect from me, the more I respect you less and less. Being 18 or 19 doesn't make you an elder over me, it only makes you 2 years older. Elders are people who are more than 10 to 20 years older than you, are you like that? No. So you better watch who you demand respect from, if you spoke to me like this in real life, I'd have a good mind to give a right piece of my mind.

Word of advice: Before you think your better than someone because your older, go look in the mirror first.

Meaning of being a Bigot:
Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, and intolerance on the basis of a person's race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, religion, language, socioeconomic status, or other status.

You sir, are a bigot.

Sorry for going off topic guys, I just had to correct a few things.

Dude: If you have any issues with me about this post, send me a PM and don't respond to this post here in this thread but rather a PM or an Email to me, I would more than gladly reply to you then.

Now: I said this before, but I used to be against, dunno why anymore. But now I am Pro-LGBT. So yeah, they should be allowed to marry and be able to adopt kids. Equality for everyone is the only way the world will have peace.

Oh and one reminder: "Peace cannot be attained by force, but through understanding." - Elbert Einstein

~Hunter

[Lovelife090994]

Good for you then bub



Being 18 going on 19 doesn't entitle you to respect. You aren't an elder you're a peer so stop prattling on about respecting elders. The second thing you said is total Bullshit. Sexuality isn't chosen and if your mom convinced you otherwise, enjoy the meltdown you're gonna have someday.

Thanks for showing your true colors, I wish you happiness!

[Lovelife090994]

Look man, telling me to respect you, is not going to make me respect you anymore than I respected you from the start. And when you started to become so so so up yourself it was getting on my nerves and the Respect I had, dropped to the level where the ant taking scraps of food from the blades of grass when I throw bred crumbs out for the birds, has more respect from me than you do from me. You expect to come here, think you can tell people you'll pray for them, tell them their inner beauty is ruined because of their attitude and very little tolerance for taking shit from people, and also from going all Godly on people here? I am sorry but if you want respect, you better start earning it.

Don't pray for me, I pray for myself and my own salvation, I don't need pity from you or anyone for that matter. I know the bible says to respect your elders, but in this day and age, this law no longer applies. Want my respect? You better damn well earn it before you start demanding it from me. The more you demand respect from me, the more I respect you less and less. Being 18 or 19 doesn't make you an elder over me, it only makes you 2 years older. Elders are people who are more than 10 to 20 years older than you, are you like that? No. So you better watch who you demand respect from, if you spoke to me like this in real life, I'd have a good mind to give a right piece of my mind.

Word of advice: Before you think your better than someone because your older, go look in the mirror first.

Meaning of being a Bigot:
Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, and intolerance on the basis of a person's race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, religion, language, socioeconomic status, or other status.

You sir, are a bigot.

Sorry for going off topic guys, I just had to correct a few things.

Dude: If you have any issues with me about this post, send me a PM and don't respond to this post here in this thread but rather a PM or an Email to me, I would more than gladly reply to you then.

Now: I said this before, but I used to be against, dunno why anymore. But now I am Pro-LGBT. So yeah, they should be allowed to marry and be able to adopt kids. Equality for everyone is the only way the world will have peace.

Oh and one reminder: "Peace cannot be attained by force, but through understanding." - Elbert Einstein

~Hunter

Notice, I never cursed you or insulted you once, no I am no better than anyone, yes you do work out your own soul's salvation, but I digress since you seem to love to argue and disregard anything I say. How's about this, rather than blathering like idiots to each other, why not forgive and forget and agree to disagree or are you too angry to agree to disagree?

[Joshh97]

So were in agreement then, there should be something everywhere like a civil marriage or partnership but churches should not be forced or sam sex marriage should not happen at a church unless the pope says

I don't care how old your post is, or whether you read and reply to this or not.

You're extremely uneducated on this subject and thus should do your homework before you shout like you know what you're talking about.

Firstly, this comes down to human rights, which in the UK, we have, all humans are equal, we all work mostly the same way (there are some mutations that others don't have that some have), anyway getting off track. Love knows no boundaries, love is gender less, nobody should have the right to dictate to another person who they can and how they can show their love to another human being.

Getting back to the quote in hand, you believe that a Civil Partnership and Marriage are equal and have the same rights? I have news for you, for a civil partnership you have to request permission 2 weeks in advanced from your registry office for a civil partnership to take place. Another thing, a civil partnership does not make a couple each others next of kin, which is ridiculous... I will stop here as I think I've given enough facts for you to start your homework... Get educated...

[Hunter_Steel]

Notice, I never cursed you or insulted you once, no I am no better than anyone, yes you do work out your own soul's salvation, but I digress since you seem to love to argue and disregard anything I say. How's about this, rather than blathering like idiots to each other, why not forgive and forget and agree to disagree or are you too angry to agree to disagree?

Firstly, I admire that you want to make peace, but you don't even seem to apologise to the fact that you might have insulted quite a few people with a so called opinion. No, you never insulted me or cursed me, but as alot of people said, you have your right to an opinion, I have my right to come down and show that said opinion is wrong. In other words, I have a right to intervene with you if I feel it fitting or not. So this whole thing on I should not be attacking you is pointless because you generally brought it on yourself.

So if you want to forgive and forget, apologise to the people you potentially insulted, and then try to make up for it. Don't expect us to just go: "okay, so you want a truce, lets call one, we'll drop everything and you should too"

That doesn't happen so easily.

@Joshh97

I couldn't agree with you more.

~Hunter

[chezhans]

Even I am a devout Catholic, putting religion aside, I don't see why we are withholding the legalisation much further. Besides...discrimination is unacceptable (I hope all we agree with that!) so why are we discriminating "under the surface" by not allowing these things to happen?!

[jayyy-lmao]

Love is love, that's what I say. Be it between two men, two women, a man and a woman, it's all love.

[naglfari]

Notice, I never cursed you or insulted you once, no I am no better than anyone,

In fact you are much worse a person than he is

If you're going to be disgustingly bigoted then you can't expect anyone to respect you

[xmojox]

Thanks for showing your true colors, I wish you happiness!

You said I was your complete opposite. I was just living up to your expectations of me. I extended a hand and you slapped it away. That was all you , pal, not me.

[HollisterGirl98]

I'm for gay marriage. If it makes them happy then they should have every right to do it

[MaguireUk]

I don't care how old your post is, or whether you read and reply to this or not.

You're extremely uneducated on this subject and thus should do your homework before you shout like you know what you're talking about.

Firstly, this comes down to human rights, which in the UK, we have, all humans are equal, we all work mostly the same way (there are some mutations that others don't have that some have), anyway getting off track. Love knows no boundaries, love is gender less, nobody should have the right to dictate to another person who they can and how they can show their love to another human being.

Getting back to the quote in hand, you believe that a Civil Partnership and Marriage are equal and have the same rights? I have news for you, for a civil
partnership you have to request permission 2 weeks in advanced from your registry office for a civil partnership to take place. Another thing, a civil partnership does not make a couple each others next of kin, which is ridiculous... I will stop here as I think I've given enough facts for you to start your homework... Get educated...

For one you stupid little child, im educated thankyou and this was not for a debate, this is for everyone ideas and if you read again as im catholic i say civil partnerships or marriages are ok but for them to get married in a church in the eyes of God is wrong so dont you start with crap coming out of your mouth dis respecting my religious beliefs thinking your mr big i am when in fact your a stupid idiot that need to think first. Get your facts right.

[Ace of Spades]

For one you stupid little child, im educated thankyou and this was not for a debate, this is for everyone ideas and if you read again as im catholic i say civil partnerships or marriages are ok but for them to get married in a church in the eyes of God is wrong so dont you start with crap coming out of your mouth dis respecting my religious beliefs thinking your mr big i am when in fact your a stupid idiot that need to think first. Get your facts right.

Take a chill pill

[Lovelife090994]

Your words contradict. I can have my opinion but I must apologize for it?
What are you? I disagree with a view and am labeled a hater or bigot by others whom only accept those with their views? How hypocritical! I will apologize for my previous rudeness but not for my right to an opinion on a lifestyle. Even in disagreement, I don't hate you. Please stop this craziness now and let's forgive and forget, it isn't hard. Some say forgiveness is expensive others say forgiveness is free same with respect to me. I forgive and accept all regardless.

[Lovelife090994]

In fact you are much worse a person than he is

If you're going to be disgustingly bigoted then you can't expect anyone to respect you

If disagreeing makes one worse then you are bad too for disagreeing with me.

[Lovelife090994]

Take a chill pill

Ace, he has a point. He was insulted earlier, he is defending himself in speech. Never accuse one of being uneducated unless they show it blatantly.

[Lovelife090994]

You said I was your complete opposite. I was just living up to your expectations of me. I extended a hand and you slapped it away. That was all you , pal, not me.

That's no excuse for slapping me back! If my accusation is wrong, discredit it!

[Ace of Spades]

Ace, he has a point. He was insulted earlier, he is defending himself in speech. Never accuse one of being uneducated unless they show it blatantly.

I didn't accuse him of anything.
All I did was say that he should chill. Ever heard of not fighting fire with fire?

[Lovelife090994]

I didn't accuse him of anything.
All I did was say that he should chill. Ever heard of not fighting fire with fire?

No, not your quote, the one he was ranting to. I wish people heard that last line you said.

[MaguireUk]

Take a chill pill

I am chilled out thankyou! But when stupid little kids start disrepecting me and my religion, thats just out of order and i wont stad for it

[MaguireUk]

Ace, he has a point. He was insulted earlier, he is defending himself in speech. Never accuse one of being uneducated unless they show it blatantly.

Thankyou for seeing my point, cant stand someone who doesnt know me to take the mick and be disrespectful, so i always say speak to others how you would like to be spoken to so i gave it to him.

[Lovelife090994]

Thankyou for seeing my point, cant stand someone who doesnt know me to take the mick and be disrespectful, so i always say speak to others how you would like to be spoken to so i gave it to him.

I give respect to anyone although it deviates when one disrespects me.

[Ace of Spades]

Thankyou for seeing my point, cant stand someone who doesnt know me to take the mick and be disrespectful, so i always say speak to others how you would like to be spoken to so i gave it to him.

I give respect to anyone although it deviates when one disrespects me.

OoooKaay....How about you both drop the holier-than-thou attitudes

[xmojox]

That's no excuse for slapping me back! If my accusation is wrong, discredit it!

I have nothing to prove to you.

[Lovelife090994]

I have nothing to prove to you.

OoooKaay....How about you both drop the holier-than-thou attitudes

No where did we say we are holier than thou, Ace, no where. And you did not read what has happened. We are both tired of being denied our say when we are asked.

To XmojoX: By prove, I am saying, if my accusation is false, correct me.

[Lovelife090994]

Thankyou for seeing my point, cant stand someone who doesnt know me to take the mic and be disrespectful, so i always say speak to others how you would like to be spoken to so i gave it to him.

Apparently this is still spawing hateful critiques. And all you did is state a fact.

[Ace of Spades]

No where did we say we are holier than thou, Ace, no where.

Of course you didn't say it. It's your attitude and words.

[Lovelife090994]

Of course you didn't say it. It's your attitude and words.

Well then forgive me, for I am not trying to convey that. Besides, what does it matter? Who wants to be holier-than-thou?

[Kochanek]

I disagree with gay or lesbian couples to adop a baby.

If someone has or adopts a child an later decides to live in a gay partnership, this is possible (and nobody would say, this would cause harm to the child).

But if someone already lives in a gay partnership and wants to adopt a child, this is refused because apparently this causes harm to child (apparently more harm than living in a orphanage).

Wouldn't you rather grow up with two loving fathers or two loving mothers than with adoptive parents living in a broken marriage?

[Kochanek]

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." (Opening of the Declaration of Independence of the USA)

Aren't gays and lesbians created equal too?
Isn't marriage part of the Pursuit of Happiness?

I am sure God did not create gays and lesbians that we discriminate and belittle them.
I rather suppose God wanted to proof our tolerance!

[kirikiri94]

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." (Opening of the Declaration of Independence of the USA)

Aren't gays and lesbians created equal too?
Isn't marriage part of the Pursuit of Happiness?

I am sure God did not create gays and lesbians that we discriminate and belittle them.
I rather suppose God wanted to proof our tolerance!

What about the pursuit of happiness for children without a father or a mother. Are they equal to those who have both?

[Lovelife090994]

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." (Opening of the Declaration of Independence of the USA)

Aren't gays and lesbians created equal too?
Isn't marriage part of the Pursuit of Happiness?

I am sure God did not create gays and lesbians that we discriminate and belittle them.
I rather suppose God wanted to proof our tolerance!

God created people who identify as gay, he did not make gayness itself, that is of Satan, don't believe me? Homosexuality is not like God and two, homosexuality literally has a demon, I've been to a service where a gay man was delivered and his demon spoke out through him, this stuf exists, exorcisms exists, demons exist, as does evil. The people are good and fine, the lifestyle some choose is not fine.

[Lovelife090994]

What about the pursuit of happiness for children without a father or a mother. Are they equal to those who have both?

Guess not, I am being raised by a single mother who can barely make ends-meet! We try not to get discouraged but it is hard sometimes.

[Kochanek]

God created people who identify as gay, he did not make gayness itself, that is of Satan, don't believe me? Homosexuality is not like God and two, homosexuality literally has a demon, I've been to a service where a gay man was delivered and his demon spoke out through him, this stuf exists, exorcisms exists, demons exist, as does evil. The people are good and fine, the lifestyle some choose is not fine.

Science prooved that homosexuality depends on the amount of testosterone an embryo got by his mother during pregnancy. So it is determined by birth just like having black or white skin.

I am heterosexual, and I guess you are too. We recognized that only women arouse us. Homosexuals are not homosexuals by decision, they just are like they are: Sexually attracted only by their own gender.

A good friend of mine is gay and he told me, that he never got horny by a girl. He even finds it somehow disgusting to think about having sex with a girl, while on the other hand he gets a boner by seing naked men. He never chosed this, he simply always was like this and had to come to terms with it.

So imagine, someone would forbid you to have sex with women and the only choice you had left, was either sex with men or no sex! As we both know, this would be a torture, we should not demand of anyone to live against his nature.

If homosexuals live like homosexuals this does not cause any harm to other people. So there is no reason to forbid.

And finally:
Only God has the right to define, what is a sin! And only God has the right, to punish sins. Human beings should not presume to excercise Gods rights!

[Kochanek]

What about the pursuit of happiness for children without a father or a mother. Are they equal to those who have both?

The number (and gender) of parents does not have any effect on a childs right to make the best out of its life!

None of us can choose the family, country or city to be born in and to grow up in.

The question of adoption only concerns orphans and children not being able to live with their natural father/mother/parents. And nobody could tell whether it would be better for such a child to live in an orphanage or to grow up with gay parents. (I guess children who got abused in an orphanage would have been glad to be adopted by any parents - gay or not!) But if such a child is old enough to make its own decision, we should let it decide, if it wants to be adopted or not.

[Lovelife090994]

Science prooved that homosexuality depends on the amount of testosterone an embryo got by his mother during pregnancy. So it is determined by birth just like having black or white skin.

I am heterosexual, and I guess you are too. We recognized that only women arouse us. Homosexuals are not homosexuals by decision, they just are like they are: Sexually attracted only by their own gender.

A good friend of mine is gay and he told me, that he never got horny by a girl. He even finds it somehow disgusting to think about having sex with a girl, while on the other hand he gets a boner by seing naked men. He never chosed this, he simply always was like this and had to come to terms with it.

So imagine, someone would forbid you to have sex with women and the only choice you had left, was either sex with men or no sex! As we both know, this would be a torture, we should not demand of anyone to live against his nature.

If homosexuals live like homosexuals this does not cause any harm to other people. So there is no reason to forbid.

And finally:
Only God has the right to define, what is a sin! And only God has the right, to punish sins. Human beings should not presume to excercise Gods rights!

Check the Bible, Leviticus, Proverbs, Romans, all say that homosexuality is a sin, God's words.

[Ace of Spades]

Check the Bible, Leviticus, Proverbs, Romans, all say that homosexuality is a sin, God's words.

If you are going to use Leviticus, Proverbs, and Romans to say that homosexuality is a sin, then you MUST follow ALL of those passages. Therefore, NO poly-thread clothing. NO shellfish. Good luck finding single-material clothes that you like.

[Lovelife090994]

If you are going to use Leviticus, Proverbs, and Romans to say that homosexuality is a sin, then you MUST follow ALL of those passages. Therefore, NO poly-thread clothing. NO shellfish. Good luck finding single-material clothes that you like.

If you read the Bible then you would know that those have been overwritten in parts of the nNew Testament and do not meèn damnation.

[Hunter_Steel]

I am a Christian, but the bible has been written, and re-written so many times, it has lost most if not all credibility. Its word is twisted by our evil desires, and we no longer even understand the bible for its true message.

Also, it is not our place to judge, that is for God. It is not our place to call a sin, even if the bible says it is, it is not our place, that right is reserved for God, and God alone.

~Hunter

[Pure Innocent Nun]

I wouldn't use the Bible as a decent source of information. You never know what is miss-interpreted or lied about.

[Lovelife090994]

I am a Christian, but the bible has been written, and re-written so many times, it has lost most if not all credibility. Its word is twisted by our evil desires, and we no longer even understand the bible for its true message.

Also, it is not our place to judge, that is for God. It is not our place to call a sin, even if the bible says it is, it is not our place, that right is reserved for God, and God alone.

~Hunter

Disagreement isn't judging but disagreement, but if you are okay with gay marriage and think yourself Christian you may have missed something. I am not judging anyone gay or not, besides think abouts, humans are judgemental, all one can do is apologize. Plus how are you Christian and discrediting the Bible? That is not Christian or true.

I wouldn't use the Bible as a decent source of information. You never know what is miss-interpreted or lied about.

True, but what the Bible says on sin, especially when repeated like homosexuality, it is true. The Bible is very reputable, full of history too.

[naglfari]

Check the Bible, Leviticus, Proverbs, Romans, all say that homosexuality is a sin, God's words.

So is eating shellfish or wearing two different fabrics. the Bible is also pro slavery

God isn't real, stop using religion to justify your bigotry

[Pure Innocent Nun]

Disagreement isn't judging but disagreement, but if you are okay with gay marriage and think yourself Christian you may have missed something. I am not judging anyone gay or not, besides think abouts, humans are judgemental, all one can do is apologize. Plus how are you Christian and discrediting the Bible? That is not Christian or true.



True, but what the Bible says on sin, especially when repeated like homosexuality, it is true. The Bible is very reputable, full of history too.


How do you know what is the Bible is true? We only know after we die. I think living a happy life and being accepting of others is better then making people feel bad and being hateful towards other because of rules we don't know exist. Even if it is a sin you should still treat them like every other human being. What if someone told you were infected with demons because you were caught sinning.

(Sorry if this whole thing I wrote is confusing or w.e)

[Lovelife090994]

How do you know what is the Bible is true? We only know after we die. I think living a happy life and being accepting of others is better then making people feel bad and being hateful towards other because of rules we don't know exist. Even if it is a sin you should still treat them like every other human being. What if someone told you were infected with demons because you were caught sinning.

(Sorry if this whole thing I wrote is confusing or w.e)

I am loving and kind, and very happy, Christ is not going to make anyone angry or sad, or lonely, he heals. If someone said I had demons, I'd say, "deliver me, help me, and thank you, you saw something, I did not see." I treat all as people, aren't we all people and human? I would hope so... I offend you?

[Lovelife090994]

So is eating shellfish or wearing two different fabrics. the Bible is also pro slavery

God isn't real, stop using religion to justify your bigotry

Who's the bigot? You need a dictionary. You are accusing me and denying my religion? For shame, besides, God is real, his works are all around, I've seen it. The Bible is none of what you mentioned. Never cherry pick dear, the New Testament justifies this. I notice those like you who bring those up, never read the whole passage nor have you gone to the New Testament, asked a pastor or looked at the symbolism in the Bible. The Bible is full of so much, even history is in it. I am not using God to justify hate, I am stating how in the eye's of God homosexuality is a sin, although he loves the person as Christians do and should do. Me? Of course I love all, even life, hence my name lovelife. Lastly, I am still praying for you. You've been on my mind lately. I notice all your comebacks are insults? Something bothering you? Care to discuss this as an adult in civilness and respect? And yes, I forgive you :) Peace brother! God Bless you! Argue all you want! I love and respect you! I won't turn down a reply and two, arguing and name calling never hurt me, so find something else.

[naglfari]

Who's the bigot? You need a dictionary. You are accusing me and denying my religion? For shame, besides, God is real, his works are all around, I've seen it. The Bible is none of what you mentioned. Never cherry pick dear, the New Testament justifies this. I notice those like you who bring those up, never read the whole passage nor have you gone to the New Testament, asked a pastor or looked at the symbolism in the Bible. The Bible is full of so much, even history is in it. I am not using God to justify hate, I am stating how in the eye's of God homosexuality is a sin, although he loves the person as Christians do and should do. Me? Of course I love all, even life, hence my name lovelife. Lastly, I am still praying for you. You've been on my mind lately. I notice all your comebacks are insults? Something bothering you? Care to discuss this as an adult in civilness and respect? And yes, I forgive you :) Peace brother! God Bless you! Argue all you want! I love and respect you! I won't turn down a reply and two, arguing and name calling never hurt me, so find something else.

You can't use leviticus to justify your homophobia and then say the rest of leviticus doesn't count because of the new testament. THAT is cherry picking.

I don't have a problem with anyone's religion until they use it to justify hate and inequality.

And there is so much evidence against christianity at this point its ridiculous. you seeing Jesus in toast or something isn't evidence otherwise

[Lovelife090994]

You can't use leviticus to justify your homophobia and then say the rest of leviticus doesn't count because of the new testament. THAT is cherry picking.

I don't have a problem with anyone's religion until they use it to justify hate and inequality.

And there is so much evidence against christianity at this point its ridiculous. you seeing Jesus in toast or something isn't evidence otherwise

You have not heard me. One, I am not homophobic, I am obviously not scared. Two, I am not justifying anything, nor am I a hater, you are and said so in your words. Three, I have no quarrel with you. Four, I am not talking about only Leviticus but you threw off that point too. And five, you use hate to loosely and accuse too quickly, plus you missed all of my points and have been missing them thus far. Beisdes you seem very anti-Christian anyway, who's intolerant now? You base your excuse for hatred and accusations to equality yet you deny it to Christians? Any real and true Christian will disgaree with homosexuality and gay marriage and no they do not hate anyone! When will you get that? Disagreeing is not the same as hate. Nor is hate the appropriate word as is. Lastly, why are you so defensive to anyone who does not support gay marriage? I'm surprised you didn't accuse me of being gay yet, and I'm surprised you haven't pulled the Crusades card.

[naglfari]

denying others equal rights isn't ok and you can pretend it isn't hate or bigotry but that's a lie. you're hiding behind christianity the same way it was used to justify slavery and segregation, sexism, and the nazi cause. I won't give you a pass for evil beliefs just because you claim christianity as a defense.

I have no problem with christians that actually believe in the message of love and inclusion of all. but your brand of christianity, so called 'real' christians, are scum.

[Hunter_Steel]

Have you read what I said in many other posts about reformed christians?

We're not at all like Protestant or Orthodox Christians.

You cannot call yourself Christian by just reading the Bible, going to church and listening to a minister and praying at night before bed time. A Christian is formed from living like Christ did. Loving everyone, hating almost nothing, except for Satan and Satanic rituals. But even then, Christ had some mercy and also compassion towards Satan. And forgave sins and also didn't preach death to anything.

Our being called Christian is derived from our good deeds, our acceptance of other things, and our true faith to our religion. So thus, I do not need the Bible, or a pastor to tell me that I am Christian. Because, yes, the bible is a set of guidelines on how to live a Christ like life. Loving all, hating no one. And on our part, not judging anyone.

I discredit the current bible. Not the original bible.

~Hunter

[Lovelife090994]

Have you read what I said in many other posts about reformed christians?

We're not at all like Protestant or Orthodox Christians.

You cannot call yourself Christian by just reading the Bible, going to church and listening to a minister and praying at night before bed time. A Christian is formed from living like Christ did. Loving everyone, hating almost nothing, except for Satan and Satanic rituals. But even then, Christ had some mercy and also compassion towards Satan. And forgave sins and also didn't preach death to anything.

Our being called Christian is derived from our good deeds, our acceptance of other things, and our true faith to our religion. So thus, I do not need the Bible, or a pastor to tell me that I am Christian. Because, yes, the bible is a set of guidelines on how to live a Christ like life. Loving all, hating no one. And on our part, not judging anyone.

I discredit the current bible. Not the original bible.

~Hunter

denying others equal rights isn't ok and you can pretend it isn't hate or bigotry but that's a lie. you're hiding behind christianity the same way it was used to justify slavery and segregation, sexism, and the nazi cause. I won't give you a pass for evil beliefs just because you claim christianity as a defense.

I have no problem with christians that actually believe in the message of love and inclusion of all. but your brand of christianity, so called 'real' christians, are scum.

Neither of you get it. I disagree with homosexuality as any true Christian will because it is in the Bible and because to me it is disgusting and against nature. You want to go further before the Bible to its roots in the Torah? The Torah speaks out against this as well. Disagreement isn't hate. To be Christian is to have what I have, a relationship with God, but you can't discredit the entire Bible. True, God tells us what to take as literal and what to no longer practice, and that is said both by God's chosen and in the New Testament. Now, I am not one to judge, but pointing something out from what is written in the Bible is not judging but stating. A person can have a real problem with homosexuality but be okay with the person. Why? I have multiple friends who are gay, even friends who support gay marriage. They know my stance and are okay with me, I do not rally against gay marriage or homosexuality, but if one wanted me to accept both as normal, I will not, and cannot.

This is what many confuse on Christians, that if a person who is called Christian is lying or hateful, and that if they disagree they are a hater. Um, you can disagree and not hate a person, and sexuality is such a small part of a person, it's not even a personality trait. I still live my life, and even though we have been discussing this, I am not changing my opinion, I am keeping it. To the person who mentioned it, church is not always a need for Christians especially given the corruption, but church is still needed for fellowship. At least two Christians are better than one, God has that in the Bible, but he does say how the Church is later discredited and that true Christians must band together, more reason why false churches like Westboro Baptist exist. And lastly, you can't keep judging all Christians, no two are the same, not all are the same, and all you are doing is avoiding a group that is of peace and love and a group that would not hurt you. Any that do, are not true Christians because no real Christian will hate you, disagree maybe but never hate you. Hate is only due to one person, Satan, and perhaps Hitler as well, okay that's two people... Peace all!

[MarkoSt]

I feel like it is fine! Just letting people marry who they live no matter what! :D

[theatreguy]

The Bible is very reputable, full of history too.

Do you know how many contradictions there are in the Bible?


Also, just for clarity: Are you against the USA making gay marriage legal within the USA? I ask because I get that you're against gay marriage (you've made that very clear) but the main issue (in the US) is the legalization of gay marriage.

[Lovelife090994]

Do you know how many contradictions there are in the Bible?


Also, just for clarity: Are you against the USA making gay marriage legal within the USA? I ask because I get that you're against gay marriage (you've made that very clear) but the main issue (in the US) is the legalization of gay marriage.

If you are only going to call me out of my name if I tell you what you do not want to hear then let's just say I'm neutral but I strongly disagree. And yes, I am well aware of the Bible's mistranslations and shortcomings. The contradictions are there for a reason, The New Testament contradicts the violence of the Old Testament. Lastly, many cultures and people are mentioned in the Bible that did exist, some things mentioned in the Bible are also in other texts religious or secular.

[theatreguy]

If you are only going to call me out of my name if I tell you what you do not want to hear then let's just say I'm neutral but I strongly disagree. And yes, I am well aware of the Bible's mistranslations and shortcomings. The contradictions are there for a reason, The New Testament contradicts the violence of the Old Testament. Lastly, many cultures and people are mentioned in the Bible that did exist, some things mentioned in the Bible are also in other texts religious or sexular.

This is a great sidestep, but are you against the US making gay marriage legal, yes or no?

[LunarScorpio]

Gay marriage should be legal.

If you wanted to be gay and get married, how would you feel if it was illegal

[Lovelife090994]

This is a great sidestep, but are you against the US making gay marriage legal, yes or no?

I answered earlier and put my answer in the comment.

[Lovelife090994]

Gay marriage should be legal.

If you wanted to be gay and get married, how would you feel if it was illegal

It's not exactly 100% illegal in the USA, 10 states admit it. Why can't the couple go there to where it is admitted and legal?

[theatreguy]

It's not exactly 100% illegal in the USA, 10 states admit it. Why can't the couple go there to where it is admitted and legal?

How would you feel if straight couples had to move to a different state just to get married?

Do you know about "separate but equal" ? It's a false thing, and you might look it up. Same thing applies here.

[Lovelife090994]

How would you feel if straight couples had to move to a different state just to get married?

Do you know about "separate but equal" ? It's a false thing, and you might look it up. Same thing applies here.

Isn't separate but equal for schools back in the 20th century. I forgot the case, how does separate but equal apply? You lost me there. Separate but equal was a race thing, race and sexuality are not like subjects, one you are born as and cannot change, control, or help being, the other is by choice unless it is the natural way which is how nature is wired, heterosexuality which is in nature and the basis.

[theatreguy]

No, sexual orientation is not a choice. When and why did you choose to be heterosexual, if it's a choice?

[Lovelife090994]

No, sexual orientation is not a choice. When and why did you choose to be heterosexual, if it's a choice?

Did not hear me nor read my comment. Heterosexuality is natural thus preset. It is natural to any being and natural to any animal, anyone different, deviated by choice. I'm aware that you are gay but so far you seem like other gays or gay supporters I've talked to, very defensive.

[Ace of Spades]

Did not hear me nor read my comment. Heterosexuality is natural thus preset. It is natural to any being and natural to any animal, anyone different, deviated by choice. I'm aware that you are gay but so far you seem like other gays or gay supporters I've talked to, very defensive.

What makes homosexuality unnatural?

[theatreguy]

Did not hear me nor read my comment. Heterosexuality is natural thus preset. It is natural to any being and natural to any animal, anyone different, deviated by choice. I'm aware that you are gay but so far you seem like other gays or gay supporters I've talked to, very defensive.

I am not defensive, I am rational. The bolded part above is merely your opinion. Are you able to back it up with facts?

And there are many scientific studies showing that homosexuality is at least partly genetic.

[Lovelife090994]

I am not defensive, I am rational. The bolded part above is merely your opinion. Are you able to back it up with facts?

And there are many scientific studies showing that homosexuality is at least partly genetic.

Funny, because I came across an article that said sexuality, regardless of which one, is not by genetics at all. But you can google, yahoo and huffington post should have it. Try, sexuality and genetics or the article scientists fail to find gay gene.

My facts, who is more dominant on Earth? Heterosexuals, heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals in a sense of out of 20 people 1 is homosexual or bi.
Two, how do animals and man reproduce? Male to female. What is the way even young kids act when they have their first crush, heterosexual regardless of sexual thoughts if known about anyway. What is the way anatomy goes by, female anatomy goes in, male anatomy (by genitilia) goes out. Lastly, what do cultures around the world center around? Heterosexuality, very few cultures have embraced or adorned and accepted homosexuality, only ones that did, they are now gone, like the ways of the Ancient Greeks and Romans.

[Lovelife090994]

What makes homosexuality unnatural?

I answered this above, you are free to take a look and ask why if you want.

[Ace of Spades]

I answered this above, you are free to take a look and ask why if you want.

No. You didn't answer my question. All you said was that being heterosexual was natural.

[Lovelife090994]

No. You didn't answer my question. All you said was that being heterosexual was natural.

Do you want me to restate my previous answer or to retype my answer?

[Ace of Spades]

Do you want me to restate my previous answer or to retype my answer?

I want you to answer the question. Saying "heterosexuality is natural and therefore homosexuality isn't" doesn't answer the question.
Explain to us why both can't be natural.

[Lovelife090994]

I want you to answer the question. Saying "heterosexuality is natural and therefore homosexuality isn't" doesn't answer the question.
Explain to us why both can't be natural.

I understand, but I explained this in the comment in response to another who stated the opposite, that neither can be natural.

This is a long answer... If you literally hate, not only dislike but hate my response, then you should not have asked, my fair warning to you, okay bring on the critique.

Why is heterosexuality natural and normal whilst homosexuality is unnatural and immoral rather than amoral?

Firstly, the Earth's majority of people identity as heterosexual, well over 90%, that should say something alone as to which is more common.
Secondly, in nature, what do animals mate with? Animals mate with the opposite sex as do humans.
Thirdly, we are all born heterosexual, it's preprogrammed at birth due to natural causes, as to why during puberty males seek females and vice versa. Heterosexual is basic in science too, it is required for procreation as well as how nature just happens to work.


Homosexuality doesn't occur naturally regardless of what others say and this time animals cannot be used as an example. Animals are the way humans should be, most mate for life, and with one of the opposite sex. The only time animals show homo erotic behavior is during times of dominance or lack of animals of the opposite sex, the animal never stays with homosexual tendencies, and no, your dog humping another dog of the same sex does not count. Why can't animals be an example to homosexual behavior? Animals have no free will. The will to pick and the knowledge thereof to discern a sexual practice for life.

Sexuality can be described many ways, but when it is deviant from the norm like homosexuality it is either induced by trauma, choice, or taught as norm and therefore played out.
Not very long ago, homosexuality was deemed as a mental illness until around the turn of the century when the battle of rights switched from race and gender which cannot be chosen to sexuality, more specifically homosexuality which affects all races and both genders yet is by lifestyle choice. A study has even shown the brains of homosexuals to be different both structurally and chemically. As for this study I disagree, we can control how we are, some have brains similar to that of psychopaths, they are not always going to be killers later. Finally aside from all of this scientific to secular stuff, my belief on the matter also goes to personal endeavors, I myself see homosexuality and bisexuality as either the effects of confusion, traumatic ordeals, or learned habits which can be broken and cured. I also find it disgusting regardless of genders involved. Plus, my faith also speaks out against homosexuality, never the homosexual.

I can tolerate homosexuals, bisexuals, etcetera, but in my personal opinion I disagree with their lifestlye as they may do to mine. I feel we can all be equals even though no two people are 100% equal by prowess, body, status, faith, etcetera. I see no problem with two of one gender living together behind closed doors, but I do not agree with calling it gay marriage. Gay used to mean vibrant and happy, homosexuals are only half of that, vibrant at least. Also I know two people who were formally in the LGBT lifestyle before committing to Christ and they regretted their lifestyle horribly. Some say we are taught to be straight, how come when that is natural and the majority?

That enough for you? I feel I left something out... Oh that's right, I do not hate anyone homosexual, in support of the LGBT or one who is confused, the mentioned of Questioning in the new LGBTQ leads to where it must be a choice in the long run anyway. I have my disagreements with people but I never hate them or name call regardless of what they do to me. I attended a Middle School that was very pro-gay, believe it or not, I didn't get the hormone thing since I was too busy focusing in class and being the artist in my classes. This is odd to me; in my Middle School for some reason, anyone Christian was labled as "odd," "deviant," and, "disgusting," by a large percentage of the school, that percentage was LBGT students. Yes, the middle school I went to was predominantly gay, bi, and anti-theistic. No one mentioned religion accept to others like them in private, when heard about, oh no, game over. A friend and I were bullied for two things, being Christian and straight whilst supporting traditional marriage. Call it crazy? I do too, but I never got mad at the kids, they are off doing great things I hope.

Lastly, my definition of marriage: a union sacred or political between a man and a woman that is meant to be until death from love or arrangement, unless rushed into too quickly and thus false.

Anything else? I typed a lot, this should answer things. Need anything I did not mention or have a question, please do not hesitate to ask, bye and have a blessed night! If you wish to respond, please be civil, honest, obedient and all the other good stuff. Okay, Au revoir!

[theatreguy]

A study has even shown the brains of homosexuals to be different both structurally and chemically.

On the one hand you're saying that everyone's the same and sexual preference is a choice, and then you say this. If the brains are organically different, then why do you think a simple choice can be made?

[Lovelife090994]

On the one hand you're saying that everyone's the same and sexual preference is a choice, and then you say this. If the brains are organically different, then why do you think a simple choice can be made?

You can control your own future can you? You may have a brain of a psychopath for instance, it doesn't make you a killer. If you want to know more, I have it in that long reply to Ace, feel free to read it.

[Ace of Spades]

1. You contradict yourself. You say animals cannot be used as an example, then you go ahead and use animals as an example. Hypocrite.
2. If you go through and read what you wrote and replace "LGBT", "gay", and "homosexual" with an ethic minority, you would sound like a nazi.
3. Homosexuality is found in over 460 species around the world.
4. Follow these links. http://www.truthwinsout.org/opinion/2011/10/19114/ http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/homosexuality--choice-born-science_n_2003361.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/01/homosexuality-genetics-usa

[Lovelife090994]

1. You contradict yourself. You say animals cannot be used as an example, then you go ahead and use animals as an example. Hypocrite.
2. If you go through and read what you wrote and replace "LGBT", "gay", and "homosexual" with an ethic minority, you would sound like a nazi.
3. Homosexuality is found in over 460 species around the world.
4. Follow these links. http://www.truthwinsout.org/opinion/2011/10/19114/ http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/homosexuality--choice-born-science_n_2003361.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/01/homosexuality-genetics-usa

I am no antisemite, I love Jewish people, they are very friendly. I am no racist, race and sexuality are different. I do not contradict if you read what I wrote. I am an ethnic minority but I didn't choose to be, you choose to deviate from heterosexuality. I'll check the link later. I answered your question, why accuse me of being a Nazi? I posted my opinion as you asked, no where did I demean or show or say hatred, no where did I say I hate anyone. But you seem to strongly disagree with me. I am okay with that, why aren't you? In light of your accusation I'll give you a compliment, you are witty yet you fish foname calling, not very nice, Ace.

[Ace of Spades]

I am no antisemite, I love Jewish people, they are very friendly. I am no racist, race and sexuality are different. I do not contradict if you read what I wrote. I am an ethnic minority but I didn't choose to be, you choose to deviate from heterosexuality. I'll check the link later. I answered your question, why accuse me of being a Nazi? I posted my opinion as you asked, no where did I demean or show or say hatred, no where did I say I hate anyone. But you seem to strongly disagree with me. I am okay with that, why aren't you? In light of your accusation I'll give you a compliment, you are witty yet you fish foname calling, not very nice, Ace.

I did not call you a nazi. I was making a comparison. I was simply pointing out that if you said the exact same thing, but instead directed it towards another group, it would sound inconceivably offensive (which it already is).
An example of being offensive is when you said that you become gay via trauma, mental disorder, or total confusion. How is that not offensive??? Another point I have is where you yourself admit that there was a scientific study done which you think is false. You can think it's false, but denying clear scientific information when you have none is completely idiotic.

[Lovelife090994]

I did not call you a nazi. I was making a comparison. I was simply pointing out that if you said the exact same thing, but instead directed it towards another group, it would sound inconceivably offensive (which it already is).
An example of being offensive is when you said that you become gay via trauma, mental disorder, or total confusion. How is that not offensive??? Another point I have is where you yourself admit that there was a scientific study done which you think is false. You can think it's false, but denying clear scientific information when you have none is completely idiotic.

You just contradicted yourself, I can think a study is false, but not if it is scientific? It undid itself, another negated that study. And many people become gay via trauma, mental issue, or confusion, that is true. And who did I offend? What group? You aren't born gay, it's a choice. How come less than 10% of the population or really less than 3% is gay if it is so normal and natural? The numbers do not add up, nor do the arguments. Are you saying I can't disagree with the LGBT because it makes me racist or something? I,disagreed kept it that, I'm not promoting antigay violence, that's nuts. I just disagreed, I can't disagree now? Many disagree with me, and I don't get upset, until they say I can't disagree and reort to name calling.

[theatreguy]

When you have a son or daughter, I hope they're gay.

[Ace of Spades]

You just contradicted yourself, I can think a study is false, but not if it is scientific? It undid itself, another negated that study. And many people become gay via trauma, mental issue, or confusion, that is true. And who did I offend? What group? You aren't born gay, it's a choice. How come less than 10% of the population or really less than 3% is gay if it is so normal and natural? The numbers do not add up, nor do the arguments. Are you saying I can't disagree with the LGBT because it makes me racist or something? I,disagreed kept it that, I'm not promoting antigay violence, that's nuts. I just disagreed, I can't disagree now? Many disagree with me, and I don't get upset, until they say I can't disagree and reort to name calling.

I did not contradict myself. I said that to think the study is false when you have no information is idiotic.
You can disagree with anybody all you want. But don't try to legislate your oppressive "values".

Edit: You completely missed everything that I said to you.

[Lovelife090994]

I did not contradict myself. I said that to think the study is false when you have no information is idiotic.
You can disagree with anybody all you want. But don't try to legislate your oppressive "values".

I'm not oppressing anyone. The only oppression I see is by those of the LGBT saying you can have an opinion until it differs from theirs. I will say again, I disagree with homosexuality, I do not hate or stop homosexuals. I do not like the idea of gau marriage, but I know I can't stop it. I keep my opinion and respect other's opinions, I hold my values and faith regardless. I am just talking, I'm not mad but confused. With you one can disagree but they can't? I don't understand. What harm is it that me and others disagree? We are not hruthing anyone. Ok I can only speak for me, I'm not hurting anyone.

[Ace of Spades]

I'm not oppressing anyone. The only oppression I see is by those of the LGBT saying you can have an opinion until it differs from theirs. I will say again, I disagree with homosexuality, I do not hate or stop homosexuals. I do not like the idea of gau marriage, but I know I can't stop it. I keep my opinion and respect other's opinions, I hold my values and faith regardless. I am just talking, I'm not mad but confused. With you one can disagree but they can't? I don't understand. What harm is it that me and others disagree? We are not hruthing anyone. Ok I can only speak for me, I'm not hurting anyone.

I think you confuse oppression with not getting what you want. Either that, or you are confusing oppression with an oppressed group speaking out against their oppressors.

[Lovelife090994]

I think you confuse oppression with not getting what you want. Either that, or you are confusing oppression with an oppressed group speaking out against their oppressors.

I know very well the differences, I am just saying that I do not agree with the lifestyle. Many people disagree with this issue as well and disagreement does not equal hate or in support of the hate groups that not only disagree but spout hatred. It's very clear that you have your opinion and that I have mine, we are different, that's fine. Personally the whole homosexuality issue doesn't bother me too bad but I don't like it, not to say I don't like homosexuals. If someone wants to live different, fine. However, if I find a practice, immoral I have my reasons, but hate isn't one of them. Some say love is blind, true love knows gender and isn't perverse.

[Ace of Spades]

I know very well the differences, I am just saying that I do not agree with the lifestyle. Many people disagree with this issue as well and disagreement does not equal hate or in support of the hate groups that not only disagree but spout hatred. It's very clear that you have your opinion and that I have mine, we are different, that's fine. Personally the whole homosexuality issue doesn't bother me too bad but I don't like it, not to say I don't like homosexuals. If someone wants to live different, fine. However, if I find a practice, immoral I have my reasons, but hate isn't one of them. Some say love is blind, true love knows gender and isn't perverse.

You started off by saying that you don't dislike homosexuals, then your closing statements clearly show that you view homosexuals as immoral perverts. This seems contradictory to your beginning statements.