Scottish Independence?

[Harry Smith]

Hey guys, I know this is mainly a British Based issue but I realized that it is only a year until the referendum for Scottish Independence. Some of the details still haven't been decided but it's pretty much a yes or no Question. Since I know there are several Scots on VT I was just wondering...

Do you want Scotland to get Independence?

Do you think Scotland will get Independence?

[Stronger]

Even though I'm not from Scotland or the UK, what exactly changes once they are no longer connected to the UK?

[Harry Smith]

Even though I'm not from Scotland or the UK, what exactly changes once they are no longer connected to the UK?

Well they want to keep the queen as the head of the state, but they would have a separate government, separate laws and a separate army. A bit like Australia and Canada

[Stronger]

Well they want to keep the queen as the head of the state, but they would have a separate government, separate laws and a separate army. A bit like Australia and Canada

I see what you mean, that's interesting.

[Southside]

Hey guys, I know this is mainly a British Based issue but I realized that it is only a year until the referendum for Scottish Independence. Some of the details still haven't been decided but it's pretty much a yes or no Question. Since I know there are several Scots on VT I was just wondering...

Do you want Scotland to get Independence?

Do you think Scotland will get Independence?

Not from UK, could you tell me some of the pros and cons of Scottish independence?

[Harry Smith]

Not from UK, could you tell me some of the pros and cons of Scottish independence?

Well for me there aren't really an pro's for Scottish Independence because I'm from England but I guess some Scot's want to try and run there own country. The only con's for us is that we have half of our armed forces based up there and we'll have to change our flag.

[tovaris]

Let them have independence they deserve it

[Sir Suomi]

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[Tristin.]

as a scot, i must say, independence would be idiotic. It is a romantic dream; incapable of functional reality.

[WaffleSingSong]

I think that they could be able to function properly if they became independent. I mean, there quite rich in oil, and could base there economy off that. Also, to my knowledge Scots and other Celtic groups within Britain have an uneasy friendship with the English, and even the English themselves are somewhat disdainful of there past.

However, This would bring quite a change to good'ol Albion, and a lot of English would get pissed off. Also, Wales and Northern Ireland would try to instate independence movements of themselves. And do not forget the flag changes for not only the UK, but other nations like Australia and New Zealand who have the Union Flag on there flag.

I really do not mind either way if they get independence or not. If they want independence, let them go ahead. If they do not want it, then Britain gets to remain nice and stable. Either way, i'm happy.

[Captain Who]

Would this mean if we live in England we would have to have a passport to get to them??

[Kandanza]

As somebody south of the border I think we should have a vote - do we want Scotland to be part of the UK :)

Clearly independence sounds nice to Scots but I think they're canny enough to know which side their bread's buttered - they might not like the English but they know they're better off with than without.

If I was a betting man I'd say the vote will be about 65/35 against independence. Unless any Scots here want to say different :)

[DerBear]

Even though I'm not from Scotland or the UK, what exactly changes once they are no longer connected to the UK?


Well they want to keep the queen as the head of the state, but they would have a separate government, separate laws and a separate army. A bit like Australia and Canada

Basically this, although we'd change our currency to the EURO according to Alex Salmond (Its called a Euro crisis and we want to join it...yeah) Plus their is talk about joint military operations etc and partnerships and all that stuff. The problem is nothings been truly decided and Scots aren't truly knowledgeable on the pros and cons of Scottish Independence. I say we still need more information,

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That's not really connected because we do have devolved government that tackles Scottish solutions to Scottish problems. So we do have our freedom but Westminster does have some control on major issues.

as a scot, i must say, independence would be idiotic. It is a romantic dream; incapable of functional reality.

Pretty much this, we don't have anything helpful. We don't even own the oil that is just off our shores. Furthermore back when old Margaret Thatcher decided to take away all Scottish assets such as the mining industry.

In my own opinion Alex is still keep Scotland in the dark and honestly I don't think Scotland as whole know enough to make the decision yet. We need to see a ground plan before we can say yay or nay next year.

One last thing Alex wants 16 year old's to vote. In my opinion this is a horrible idea. Unless you're into politics then at 16 you don't really know enough and will probably just think "Scotland Independence great idea"

[Ajmichael]

Scotland (well, Alex Salmond) seems to have the idea that money made in Scotland goes to benefit England, and he wants Scotland to be independent so that the Scottish Parliament has control of it's own affairs. He doesn't seem to have considered that the Scottish Parliament would also have to pay independently for:
- Welfare
- Public services
- Armed forces
- Trade
- Infrastructure and development
- Education

There is nothing stopping the already reasonably independent Scottish parliament from developing the Scottish economy from within their current budget. Fortunately, Britain has refused to share armed forces with Scotland if they become independent, so that means that the Scottish Parliament would have to build up an armed force from scratch.

Support for independence within Scotland has been declining in recent months as the British economy begins to pick up. It was a hurried announcement by Alex Salmond to take advantage of a situation that is now passing.

[LuciferSam]

If they have a plan in place for how to run their country, I say let them be independent.

[Daracon]

It would be cool but I think they are better off connected to England

[britishboy]

They base the future of there country on a tinya bit of oil and want the stupid Mr samond to lead them he's racist and has no clue

[Cicero]

Well they want to keep the queen as the head of the state, but they would have a separate government, separate laws and a separate army. A bit like Australia and Canada

Isn't Canada French?

[Gwen]

Being independent (At the moment of typing this) would hinder them more then further their growth as a country. Maybe in a year the situation would change, but for now maybe waiting a bit more would be wisest.

[Zimmerman]

Scotland is a country, within the imperialist global juggernaut that is the United Kingdom, it's masses inslaved by its oppressive oligarch, of course. The chief on the hill doesn't know what's best for the folks in the valley. Masters don't care if their slaves are happy.

[Harry Smith]

Isn't Canada French?

Nope, they have the Queen as there head of state and there part of the commonwealth. There are areas which speak french but that's purely because they use to own it until general Wolfe won at Quebec in 1759


Scotland is a country, within the imperialist global juggernaut that is the United Kingdom, it's masses inslaved by its oppressive oligarch, of course. The chief on the hill doesn't know what's best for the folks in the valley. Masters don't care if their slaves are happy.

What have you been smoking?

[britishboy]

lol it would be the biggest fail in history if they go independent

[Donkey]

Scotland earns more per person than England does. the reason? its oil. When it runs out, Scotland will be much worse off without the financial hotbed of London and the huge amount of money that the south of England brings in. Frankly if any part of the UK had cause to designate itself an independent state it would be the south - to think Scotland would do better on its own is sheer idealism.