To Christians.

[Alexwellace]

I just stumbled across one of the most disgusting sites i've ever seen on the web *http://www.landoverbaptist.net/?*. Every one is so judgemental and assumptious and narrow-minded, i've got to ask is it the majority of christians that think like this, or a just a few extreamists? A few questions on your Moral standing.

1: Do you believe that women are inferior to men, and are only there to clean, cook and bear children for men?
2: Do you believe that a girl who is raped has to then marry her rapist? Thats what it says in the bible.
3: Are gays abominations that should be killed?
4: Does belief over-rider law? It says if you wife commits adultery you should kill her, you obviously can't do that. But if someone did, would you condone him for following the bible?
5: Do you respect others rights to believe what they like? For example what would you do if an islamist sat by you on the bus?

It might just be the fact that the people on that site have acturally managed to brainwash themselves to believing the rubbish they sprout themselves, but since i've never met a die-hard christian, i wouldn't know.

Thanks.

[Allbutanillusion]

Well it is important to remember that anyone can put anything on the internet. If someone what to create a certain (bad) impression of or try to discredit Christianity, the internet offers plenty of opportunity to do so.


I might add that, sure there are people who refer to themselves as christian, who may be a little extreme but I feel that those people are not a true representation of what Christianity is about. They are only christian in name only.

[Gigablue]

You do realize that that's a satire site, right? It's a pretty convincing parody, but it's not serious.

I'm not a Christian, so I can't really answer those questions, but I will say that most of the Christians I know are really good people. There aren't that many people with such extreme beliefs like the ones you mentioned.

[Horatio Nelson]

"1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.
3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,
4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Romans 8:1-4.


Everything you stated was from the old testament, the law made it so you could only be saved by works, but when Jesus died for us he made us free from the law. As Ephesians says we are saved by grace through faith and not by our own hands.

"1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience-
3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ-by grace you have been saved-
6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God," Ephesians 2:1-8

Anyway, I kinda rabbit trailed there. Hope that makes sense.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

I'm not christian, I only want to reply on this basis. Good job, your first paragraph is somewhat flawless.

[Jess]

I don't think most Christians have those beliefs any longer....it's mainly extremists, or maybe those who follow EVERYTHING in the Bible...

[Neptune]

1) No, I don’t believe that and most Christians today would agree with me. Of course, there are some extremist sects that may disagree but they are in a minority. Women are just or more intelligent than men are. A lot of churches have inter-fighting regarding woman priest/pastors/etc but I personally believe that woman should be allowed to serve God and spread the message just like men do and my national church, the Episcopal Church, has a female bishop leading it.

2) The verse you are referring to, Deuteronomy 22:28–29, is part of the Old Testament. When Jesus come to earth and die, his followers created a new testament, which we call the ‘’New Testament.’’ Christians don’t have to follow the Mosaic Laws (Old Testament,) because, Jesus Christ died for our sins and when Jesus came, he brought with him truth and grace which is told by John 1:17 – ‘’ For the law was given by Moses but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.’’ I believe that Jews still believe in the Old Testament, so, you could ask them about that verse.

3) Absolutely not. I’m a bisexual Christian and not all sects of Christianity are against gay people. The Episcopal Church, which I’m a follower of, is in full support of gay rights. In the 1976 Episcopal Church Convention, the Convention declared that homosexuals are "children of God" and "entitled to full civil rights.’’ For more information regarding that Convention, here is a link. http://www.episcopalarchives.org/cgi-bin/acts/acts_resolution-complete.pl?resolution=1976-A069

4) Again, you are talking about the Old Testament. Matthew 19:18 states ‘’ You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony.’’

5) I respect everyone’s views. If an Islamist sat next to me on a bus, I would shake his hand and continue on my day if he chose to respect my views too.
Not all Christians are bad, my friend. Look into Christianity, you’ll see.

[Cicero]

lol I posted this same thing a while back and learned it was just a fun little site making fun of hardcore Christians.

1: Do you believe that women are inferior to men, and are only there to clean, cook and bear children for men? no
2: Do you believe that a girl who is raped has to then marry her rapist? Thats what it says in the bible. first of all. No it doesn't. Second of all, I'd agree with an abortion in cases of rape and incest
3: Are gays abominations that should be killed? no
4: Does belief over-rider law? It says if you wife commits adultery you should kill her, you obviously can't do that. But if someone did, would you condone him for following the bible? first of all, that's in the Old Testament, not the new. No it's not alright to do that
5: Do you respect others rights to believe what they like? For example what would you do if an islamist sat by you on the bus? umm why would I care? The only time I'd get worried is if I heard that weird scream they do they as in terrorists

[Danny_boi 16]

I am a Roman Catholic

1: Do you believe that women are inferior to men, and are only there to clean, cook and bear children for men? No
2: Do you believe that a girl who is raped has to then marry her rapist? Thats what it says in the bible.No I do not believe that
3: Are gays abominations that should be killed? No
4: Does belief over-rider law? It says if you wife commits adultery you should kill her, you obviously can't do that. But if someone did, would you condone him for following the bible? Murder is Murder.
5: Do you respect others rights to believe what they like? YesFor example what would you do if an islamist sat by you on the bus? Sit next to him on the bus

When people ask these questions, the most important thing to know is that many things like that refers to the Old Testament (or the Torah if you’re Jewish. And the Old Testament is in the Qur'an as well.) The New Testament where the idea of Christianity comes from teaches us to love one another and to love all of God's children. Again there are different sects of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam (there are many more religions) each sect has its own way interpret the word of the Lord.

[Castle of Glass]

1: Do you believe that women are inferior to men, and are only there to clean, cook and bear children for men? No. Girls are free to do what they want, if they are smart and aren't like "equal rights when i want it, but sexism when i don't" like the rule no hitting women.
2: Do you believe that a girl who is raped has to then marry her rapist? Thats what it says in the bible. NO! not at all.
3: Are gays abominations that should be killed? NO
4: Does belief over-rider law? It says if you wife commits adultery you should kill her, you obviously can't do that. But if someone did, would you condone him for following the bible? NO. The bible is not to be followed 100%, it is just base rules that can be bended.
5: Do you respect others rights to believe what they like? For example what would you do if an islamist sat by you on the bus? Of course. most of my are from different beliefs

and most Christians aren't like that.

[randomnessqueen]

that stuff is in the old testament, not new
the whole point of the jesus coming was to say forget about the old testament, im giving you new rules to follow

[Southside]

I just stumbled across one of the most disgusting sites i've ever seen on the web *http://www.landoverbaptist.net/?*. Every one is so judgemental and assumptious and narrow-minded, i've got to ask is it the majority of christians that think like this, or a just a few extreamists? A few questions on your Moral standing.

1: Do you believe that women are inferior to men, and are only there to clean, cook and bear children for men?
2: Do you believe that a girl who is raped has to then marry her rapist? Thats what it says in the bible.
3: Are gays abominations that should be killed?
4: Does belief over-rider law? It says if you wife commits adultery you should kill her, you obviously can't do that. But if someone did, would you condone him for following the bible?
5: Do you respect others rights to believe what they like? For example what would you do if an islamist sat by you on the bus?

It might just be the fact that the people on that site have acturally managed to brainwash themselves to believing the rubbish they sprout themselves, but since i've never met a die-hard christian, i wouldn't know.

Thanks.

Does Al-Qaeda reflect the views of all Muslims? Does the IRA reflect the views of all Irish?The people are on that website are downright disgusting and should be ashamed to call themselves Christians, 99.8% of Christians dont hold those views. Im Christian and I dont know any fellow Christian that would do anything like that. Thats just like saying every Muslim wants to blow themselves up or fly planes into buildings.

1: Do you believe that women are inferior to men, and are only there to clean, cook and bear children for men? No, I believe it's a man's moral job to do his best to support his family. I dont care if your Atheist or religious, thats how it's been since the hunter-gather days.

2: Do you believe that a girl who is raped has to then marry her rapist? Thats what it says in the bible. No, and thats what it says in the Old Testement, which is mainly Jewish laws, not Christian.

3: Are gays abominations that should be killed? I dont support LGBT, but I have no hate towards it.

4: Does belief over-rider law? It says if you wife commits adultery you should kill her, you obviously can't do that. But if someone did, would you condone him for following the bible? The commandments states thou'll shall not kill, only comment on that

5: Do you respect others rights to believe what they like? For example what would you do if an islamist sat by you on the bus? Nothing hostile, engage in a conversation about sports or something of that nature.

that stuff is in the old testament, not new
the whole point of the jesus coming was to say forget about the old testament, im giving you new rules to follow

Well said, alot of people say, "Oh it's slavery in the Bible","Oh, it says I should stone my son if he misbehaves, Christianity is so bad!" What they dont know is most of this is JEWISH law not Christian.


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[Taurus]

Well said, alot of people say, "Oh it's slavery in the Bible","Oh, it says I should stone my son if he misbehaves, Christianity is so bad!" What they dont know is most of this is JEWISH law not Christian.


-merged multiple posts. -Emerald Dream

Jesus approves of the Old Testament laws and the prophets. He doesn't have the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law." (Matthew 5:17)

[IAMWILL]

You realize that website and everything on it is a joke, right? It was created just to troll people. I actually go on that sight sometimes to read the articles and laugh at how ridiculous they are.

[DerBear]

I was under the impression that landoverbaptist was a troll site....

[Southside]

Jesus approves of the Old Testament laws and the prophets. He doesn't have the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law." (Matthew 5:17)

Old Testament=Torah, which is Jewish Law. So i'm wrong on that?

[Sugaree]

I just stumbled across one of the most disgusting sites i've ever seen on the web *http://www.landoverbaptist.net/?*. Every one is so judgemental and assumptious and narrow-minded, i've got to ask is it the majority of christians that think like this, or a just a few extreamists? A few questions on your Moral standing.

1: Do you believe that women are inferior to men, and are only there to clean, cook and bear children for men?
2: Do you believe that a girl who is raped has to then marry her rapist? Thats what it says in the bible.
3: Are gays abominations that should be killed?
4: Does belief over-rider law? It says if you wife commits adultery you should kill her, you obviously can't do that. But if someone did, would you condone him for following the bible?
5: Do you respect others rights to believe what they like? For example what would you do if an islamist sat by you on the bus?

It might just be the fact that the people on that site have acturally managed to brainwash themselves to believing the rubbish they sprout themselves, but since i've never met a die-hard christian, i wouldn't know.

Thanks.

Holy shit you fell for the ultimate trick. Landover is a troll site.

[Taurus]

Old Testament=Torah, which is Jewish Law. So i'm wrong on that?

You have no idea what you are talking about. The Old Testament has parts which overlap with the Torah, but the OT doesn't equal the Torah.

Also, It really doesn't matter. Jesus said that the OT still applied and that all those who stray from that path should be put to death. I also think it is incredibly hilarious when Christians say that the OT doesn't apply anymore, but at the same time Christians say "homosexuality is an abomination because be bible says so" and they site Leviticus. But as it turns out, Leviticus is part of the OT. Hypocritical much?

[naglfari]

Jesus definitely never said anyone should be put to death, and you shouldn't lump all Christians together, some believe the old testament rules still matter, some don't

[Gigablue]

Jesus definitely never said anyone should be put to death, and you shouldn't lump all Christians together, some believe the old testament rules still matter, some don't

Luke 19:27 (ESV)
But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.

Jesus says anyone who doesn't accept his reign should be killed.


Matthew 5:17 (ESV)
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Here, Jesus specifically states that the laws of the Old Testament are still valid. Therefore, technically, any Christians who don't follow the laws of the Old Testament are going against Jesus' word.

[Southside]

You have no idea what you are talking about. The Old Testament has parts which overlap with the Torah, but the OT doesn't equal the Torah.

Also, It really doesn't matter. Jesus said that the OT still applied and that all those who stray from that path should be put to death. I also think it is incredibly hilarious when Christians say that the OT doesn't apply anymore, but at the same time Christians say "homosexuality is an abomination because be bible says so" and they site Leviticus. But as it turns out, Leviticus is part of the OT. Hypocritical much?

Torah has 4 books that are in the Bible, Genesis,Exodus,Leviticus,Numbers and Deuteronomy. Alright, then the Nevi'im(Also Jewish) has 18 books that are in the Bible. I never said the OT doesnt apply, Im just saying almost all of the books in the OT are JEWISH LAW.

[Taurus]

Torah has 4 books that are in the Bible, Genesis,Exodus,Leviticus,Numbers and Deuteronomy. Alright, then the Nevi'im(Also Jewish) has 18 books that are in the Bible. I never said the OT doesnt apply, Im just saying almost all of the books in the OT are JEWISH LAW.

So what if it is in Jewish law? Judaism places high regard in questioning things and in open interpretation of rules. The OT is not followed the way Christians "follow" the bible.
What's up with you and emphasizing "Jewish law"?
You're just dodging the original point and question.

[Hunter_Steel]

Those people are not true christians. Its disgusting to think people like that exist here. Its more what I'd expect from a muslim or a jew. But not from a Christian. The 10 Commandments mostly still apply, but they are the bases for many of our rules and for the the court determines what is wrong and right.

But in the end, true repentance at the moment you see God is the only way you can get into heaven, especially if you believe that through Jesus, and Jesus alone, we are saved and can go to heaven. But it also says, faith, without action is empty, but actions with faith are also empty. You require both Good Deeds and Faith.

That is what it means to be Christian. Not the heathen which are on that site. (Yes, I used the word heathen, they are ruining the view of christianity and profane our good natured Christians.)

I am a Reformed Christian, we don't believe 100% of the words in the bible, nor 100% of the words that come from the mouth of a priest or Pastor. Because they can just as easily corrupt the word of the lord. And I stick by the 10 commandments most of the time, they don't say anything about killing your wife for commiting adultary. That was something added in later to the bible, but removed when Jesus came in.

1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 ¶ I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 ¶ Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 ¶ Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 and showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 ¶ Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 ¶ Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10 but the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 ¶ Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13 ¶ Thou shalt not kill.
14 ¶ Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 ¶ Thou shalt not steal.
16 ¶ Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
17 ¶ Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.

This is taken out of the Holy Bible: King James Version. The one I have was revised in 2005 by the Dutch Reformed Christian Church.

These are the 10 laws which make up the bases of the laws of our society, though not some of the first ones, but most of them are used by both Atheists and Christians alike.

~Hunter

[Southside]

So what if it is in Jewish law? Judaism places high regard in questioning things and in open interpretation of rules. The OT is not followed the way Christians "follow" the bible.
What's up with you and emphasizing "Jewish law"?
You're just dodging the original point and question.

What im saying is, in modern times, do you think the regular(Non-Extremist) Christian ties their son up and stones him?

[Taurus]

What im saying is, in modern times, do you think the regular(Non-Extremist) Christian ties their son up and stones him?

No, I do not think that happens on a regular basis in most places.
Again, you are dodging the original point.

Those people are not true christians. Its disgusting to think people like that exist here. Its more what I'd expect from a muslim or a jew. But not from a Christian. The 10 Commandments mostly still apply, but they are the bases for many of our rules and for the the court determines what is wrong and right.

But in the end, true repentance at the moment you see God is the only way you can get into heaven, especially if you believe that through Jesus, and Jesus alone, we are saved and can go to heaven. But it also says, faith, without action is empty, but actions with faith are also empty. You require both Good Deeds and Faith.

That is what it means to be Christian. Not the heathen which are on that site. (Yes, I used the word heathen, they are ruining the view of christianity and profane our good natured Christians.)

I am a Reformed Christian, we don't believe 100% of the words in the bible, nor 100% of the words that come from the mouth of a priest or Pastor. Because they can just as easily corrupt the word of the lord. And I stick by the 10 commandments most of the time, they don't say anything about killing your wife for commiting adultary. That was something added in later to the bible, but removed when Jesus came in.

1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 ¶ I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 ¶ Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 ¶ Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 and showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 ¶ Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 ¶ Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10 but the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 ¶ Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13 ¶ Thou shalt not kill.
14 ¶ Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 ¶ Thou shalt not steal.
16 ¶ Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
17 ¶ Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.

This is taken out of the Holy Bible: King James Version. The one I have was revised in 2005 by the Dutch Reformed Christian Church.

These are the 10 laws which make up the bases of the laws of our society, though not some of the first ones, but most of them are used by both Atheists and Christians alike.

~Hunter

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If what you just said reflects your beliefs, you are nothing more than a neo-nazi.

Those people are not true christians. Its disgusting to think people like that exist here. Its more what I'd expect from a muslim or a jew. But not from a Christian. The 10 Commandments mostly still apply, but they are the bases for many of our rules and for the the court determines what is wrong and right.

But in the end, true repentance at the moment you see God is the only way you can get into heaven, especially if you believe that through Jesus, and Jesus alone, we are saved and can go to heaven. But it also says, faith, without action is empty, but actions with faith are also empty. You require both Good Deeds and Faith.

That is what it means to be Christian. Not the heathen which are on that site. (Yes, I used the word heathen, they are ruining the view of christianity and profane our good natured Christians.)

I am a Reformed Christian, we don't believe 100% of the words in the bible, nor 100% of the words that come from the mouth of a priest or Pastor. Because they can just as easily corrupt the word of the lord. And I stick by the 10 commandments most of the time, they don't say anything about killing your wife for commiting adultary. That was something added in later to the bible, but removed when Jesus came in.

1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 ¶ I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 ¶ Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 ¶ Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 and showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 ¶ Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 ¶ Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10 but the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 ¶ Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13 ¶ Thou shalt not kill.
14 ¶ Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 ¶ Thou shalt not steal.
16 ¶ Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
17 ¶ Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.

This is taken out of the Holy Bible: King James Version. The one I have was revised in 2005 by the Dutch Reformed Christian Church.

These are the 10 laws which make up the bases of the laws of our society, though not some of the first ones, but most of them are used by both Atheists and Christians alike.

~Hunter

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_6-Uxg3BTLvg/TZdhjlVRLyI/AAAAAAAACfU/aRaFhqABExQ/hitler-1.jpg?imgmax=800

Triple Post Merged~ Adam/Red Velvet!

[Hunter_Steel]

Nice double post, but I have jewish friends, am part jew by blood and have two muslim friends.
"Fuck the Nazis" is a family creed. The Nazis are jackasses and should stay in WWII where they belong.

~Hunter.

[Taurus]

Nice double post, but I have jewish friends, am part jew by blood and have two muslim friends.
"Fuck the Nazis" is a family creed. The Nazis are jackasses and should stay in WWII where they belong.

~Hunter.

Still doesn't change what you said. An apology would be nice.

[Harry Smith]

Nice double post, but I have jewish friends, am part jew by blood and have two muslim friends.
"Fuck the Nazis" is a family creed. The Nazis are jackasses and should stay in WWII where they belong.

~Hunter.

The nazis don't really belong anywhere, they were a political group made in a beer hall in Germany in 1923 and I wish they stayed there aha. I never understand why people feel the need to compare religion to the Nazis. It just causes annoyance for the religious lot because many are anti- Nazis and just causes a distraction from the real debate.

Also it tends to be the standard respond by people who hold racist views that they have friends of other racists. Hitler was friends with a Jewish Art dealer in Vienna. Doesn't mean at all that Hitler liked Jews

[Hunter_Steel]

I am not racist if thats what people thought. But I still take offense to being called Neo-Nazi. The party they follow killed more than 6,000,000 people in WWII all because one man acted like he was high on acid.

~Hunter

[Taurus]

I am not racist if thats what people thought. But I still take offense to being called Neo-Nazi. The party they follow killed more than 6,000,000 people in WWII all because one man acted like he was high on acid.

~Hunter

sarcasm/Gee, humanity has never seen that before/sarcasm
*cough* the popes *cough* *cough* religion in general *cough* *cough*

[Gigablue]

Those people are not true christians. Its disgusting to think people like that exist here. Its more what I'd expect from a muslim or a jew. But not from a Christian. The 10 Commandments mostly still apply, but they are the bases for many of our rules and for the the court determines what is wrong and right.

Why would you expect it from a Muslim of a Jew, but not a Christian, isn't that somewhat discriminatory?

That is what it means to be Christian. Not the heathen which are on that site. (Yes, I used the word heathen, they are ruining the view of christianity and profane our good natured Christians.)

That site is satire, but everything they say is backed up by the bible.

3 ¶ Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Is this really the most important thing to but in a list of laws? It just seems like vanity, not really a god worth worshiping. Also, if your god really wanted to be the only god, couldn't he just show himself.

4 ¶ Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 and showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

What a great god. Why would you worship a god who punished children for the sins of their parents. Even if a god like that existed, I wouldn't want to worship them. Punishing the innocent is a ridiculous injustice.

7 ¶ Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Is god really so insecure that he can't handle people misusing his name.

8 ¶ Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10 but the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This is a great way to reduce productivity, but doesn't achieve much else. Not really a good law to follow.

12 ¶ Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Always? Even if your parents are horrible people? Honour them if they deserve it, not just because the are your parents.

13 ¶ Thou shalt not kill.

Ever? What about self defence? What about defending others? There are situations where killing is sadly necessary.

14 ¶ Thou shalt not commit adultery.

This is the first law that actually makes sense, though I don't really think it's important enough to bake it in an eternal set of laws.

15 ¶ Thou shalt not steal.

Ever? What if you're starving to death and need to steal food? It's a generally good principle, but not an absolute law. There are exceptions.

16 ¶ Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

Fair enough.

17 ¶ Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.

What's wrong with coveting, as long as that desire doesn't make you steal the thing you covet? It doesn't actually harm anyone.

These are the 10 laws which make up the bases of the laws of our society, though not some of the first ones, but most of them are used by both Atheists and Christians alike.

Why do we need the bible to tell us that? People have an innate sense of morality, distinct from religion. To claim that we somehow need Christianity to be moral is ridiculous.

[Taurus]

Why would you expect it from a Muslim of a Jew, but not a Christian, isn't that somewhat discriminatory?



That site is satire, but everything they say is backed up by the bible.



Is this really the most important thing to but in a list of laws? It just seems like vanity, not really a god worth worshiping. Also, if your god really wanted to be the only god, couldn't he just show himself.



What a great god. Why would you worship a god who punished children for the sins of their parents. Even if a god like that existed, I wouldn't want to worship them. Punishing the innocent is a ridiculous injustice.



Is god really so insecure that he can't handle people misusing his name.



This is a great way to reduce productivity, but doesn't achieve much else. Not really a good law to follow.



Always? Even if your parents are horrible people? Honour them if they deserve it, not just because the are your parents.



Ever? What about self defence? What about defending others? There are situations where killing is sadly necessary.



This is the first law that actually makes sense, though I don't really think it's important enough to bake it in an eternal set of laws.



Ever? What if you're starving to death and need to steal food? It's a generally good principle, but not an absolute law. There are exceptions.



Fair enough.



What's wrong with coveting, as long as that desire doesn't make you steal the thing you covet? It doesn't actually harm anyone.



Why do we need the bible to tell us that? People have an innate sense of morality, distinct from religion. To claim that we somehow need Christianity to be moral is ridiculous.

Agreed.

[xmojox]

That site is pretty funny, actually. Gotta love satire :)

[InfinantSilence]

Holy shit.

[Taurus]

How insightful ^

[LouBerry]

I just stumbled across one of the most disgusting sites i've ever seen on the web *http://www.landoverbaptist.net/?*. Every one is so judgemental and assumptious and narrow-minded, i've got to ask is it the majority of christians that think like this, or a just a few extreamists? A few questions on your Moral standing.

1: Do you believe that women are inferior to men, and are only there to clean, cook and bear children for men?
2: Do you believe that a girl who is raped has to then marry her rapist? Thats what it says in the bible.
3: Are gays abominations that should be killed?
4: Does belief over-rider law? It says if you wife commits adultery you should kill her, you obviously can't do that. But if someone did, would you condone him for following the bible?
5: Do you respect others rights to believe what they like? For example what would you do if an islamist sat by you on the bus?

It might just be the fact that the people on that site have acturally managed to brainwash themselves to believing the rubbish they sprout themselves, but since i've never met a die-hard christian, i wouldn't know.

Thanks.




I am a Christian. The very word means, Christ-like. Jesus Christ taught love and acceptance. He never stoned anyone. He never punished anyone. It wasn't his place. Neither is it mine. There are things from the Bible I follow, and there are things I do not. I respect all rights, all dreams, of all races, sexual orientations, genders, etc. To me, it's all about love.

[Taurus]

I am a Christian. The very word means, Christ-like. Jesus Christ taught love and acceptance. He never stoned anyone. He never punished anyone. It wasn't his place. Neither is it mine. There are things from the Bible I follow, and there are things I do not. I respect all rights, all dreams, of all races, sexual orientations, genders, etc. To me, it's all about love.

So you cheery pick the bible?

[xmojox]

I am a Christian. The very word means, Christ-like. Jesus Christ taught love and acceptance. He never stoned anyone. He never punished anyone. It wasn't his place. Neither is it mine. There are things from the Bible I follow, and there are things I do not. I respect all rights, all dreams, of all races, sexual orientations, genders, etc. To me, it's all about love.

Are you in favor of same-sex marriage? I'm genuinely curious.

[LouBerry]

So you cheery pick the bible?

No. But Religion is pretty much just the individuals interpretation. My interpretation is that there are things in the Bible that are true. Hard, fast laws. And there are things that are meant differently then they seem.

Are you in favor of same-sex marriage? I'm genuinely curious.

I do not personally condone homosexuality. Now before you all jump down my throat, I do indeed support same-sex-marriage. I know plenty of gay/lesbian couples who love God, and they want the rights Seth and I will have when we get married. I think they should have that. If I, a fornicator, an adulator, can get married, why shouldn't they?

[xmojox]

No. But Religion is pretty much just the individuals interpretation. My interpretation is that there are things in the Bible that are true. Hard, fast laws. And there are things that are meant differently then they seem.



I do not personally condone homosexuality. Now before you all jump down my throat, I do indeed support same-sex-marriage. I know plenty of gay/lesbian couples who love God, and they want the rights Seth and I will have when we get married. I think they should have that. If I, a fornicator, an adulator, can get married, why shouldn't they?

Good enough. Thanks for being honest :)

[Taurus]

No. But Religion is pretty much just the individuals interpretation. My interpretation is that there are things in the Bible that are true. Hard, fast laws. And there are things that are meant differently then they seem.

So you do cherry pick the bible

[LouBerry]

No I do not, "Cherry pick" the Bible. But there are parts of the Bible, especially in the Old Testament, that I do not believe apply to this time.

[Taurus]

No I do not, "Cherry pick" the Bible. But there are parts of the Bible, especially in the Old Testament, that I do not believe apply to this time.

That is cherry picking the bible. You are selectively choosing parts you believe in.

[LouBerry]

No, I believe all parts of the Bible are true. I just believe that times change. Back then, stoning people was perfectly fine, not that's considered a felony. The Bible also says that we are to follow all laws. So, some of the things that the people in biblical times did, aren't legal or necessary now.

[Taurus]

No, I believe all parts of the Bible are true. I just believe that times change. Back then, stoning people was perfectly fine, not that's considered a felony. The Bible also says that we are to follow all laws. So, some of the things that the people in biblical times did, aren't legal or necessary now.

Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.
-1 Corinthians 14:34

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
-1 Timothy 2:11

In Ephesians 5:22-24 we find this: "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."

In 1 Peter 3:7 we find: "Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers."

If what you say is true, then you should have no issues with the above passages.

[Hunter_Steel]

The first testament no longer counts, only the ten commandments. Jesus came to earth and cleansed us of our sins and allowed us to live with the new age rules that he set forth for us.

The bible only speaks out against homosexuality in the old testament, Christians in the reformed faith no longer follow the Old Testament, only for the ten commandments.

However, the bible also only speaks out against gay men. But doesn't speak out against lesbians. Which is discriminating, but thats how it is. Jesus said that some men are born homosexual (Yes, I am as shocked as you are, look it up: Mathew 19:12) and says that those men shouldn't marry. But he never motions to women who might love other women in the same way they might love a man.

~Hunter

[Taurus]

The first testament no longer counts, only the ten commandments. Jesus came to earth and cleansed us of our sins and allowed us to live with the new age rules that he set forth for us.

The bible only speaks out against homosexuality in the old testament, Christians in the reformed faith no longer follow the Old Testament, only for the ten commandments.

However, the bible also only speaks out against gay men. But doesn't speak out against lesbians. Which is discriminating, but thats how it is. Jesus said that some men are born homosexual (Yes, I am as shocked as you are, look it up: Mathew 19:12) and says that those men shouldn't marry. But he never motions to women who might love other women in the same way they might love a man.

~Hunter

All of the passages I listed were from the new testament.

Also, the reason women aren't mentioned is because women of the time were considered inferior to men, and therefore, not worth mention.

[LouBerry]

Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.
-1 Corinthians 14:34

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
-1 Timothy 2:11

In Ephesians 5:22-24 we find this: "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."

In 1 Peter 3:7 we find: "Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers."

If what you say is true, then you should have no issues with the above passages.


Is the current law, in America that is, that woman must be silent? No. As for the submission, you have to understand fully what it means. It does not mean that women are lower then men, or that they can be taken advantage of. Only that we should know that our husband will provide for and protect us.

Now, as I already stated. I believe that those verses were true back then. But, times change. Again, I abide by God's law, but I also abide by the law of the United States, as I am told to do in the Bible.

[Taurus]

Is the current law, in America that is, that woman must be silent? No. As for the submission, you have to understand fully what it means. It does not mean that women are lower then men, or that they can be taken advantage of. Only that we should know that our husband will provide for and protect us.

Now, as I already stated. I believe that those verses were true back then. But, times change. Again, I abide by God's law, but I also abide by the law of the United States, as I am told to do in the Bible.

You are still cherry picking the bible

[Gwen]

I'm no longer Christian but

1: No women are diffrent by body type and parts nothing else, they deserve the same respect and consideration as any man
2: No that's just stupid, just plain stupid
3: Obviously not, only recently my country renamed homosexuals as a sexuality and not a mental illness
4: Yes following religion is fine but laws exist and need to followed more then a book.
5: I wouldn't care he's a person his religion doesn't make him evil or nasty

These are extremist views the bible is more for stories about morals and how to live a good life. Years ago you didn't have to be Christian to act like horrible and do the exact same things the Bible "tells" you to.

[Bethany]

Is the current law, in America that is, that woman must be silent? No. As for the submission, you have to understand fully what it means. It does not mean that women are lower then men, or that they can be taken advantage of. Only that we should know that our husband will provide for and protect us.

Now, as I already stated. I believe that those verses were true back then. But, times change. Again, I abide by God's law, but I also abide by the law of the United States, as I am told to do in the Bible.

I have a question, just of something I'm curious about (and any other Christians reading this, feel free to chime in, this question isn't just for LouBerry). Do you consider the law of the US or the Bible to be above one another? If the Bible says you should do something, but US law says you shouldn't do that, would you do it? And vice versa? Would you do something the US law tells you that you have to do even if it goes against what the Bible says?

[LouBerry]

The first testament no longer counts, only the ten commandments. Jesus came to earth and cleansed us of our sins and allowed us to live with the new age rules that he set forth for us.

The bible only speaks out against homosexuality in the old testament, Christians in the reformed faith no longer follow the Old Testament, only for the ten commandments.

However, the bible also only speaks out against gay men. But doesn't speak out against lesbians. Which is discriminating, but thats how it is. Jesus said that some men are born homosexual (Yes, I am as shocked as you are, look it up: Mathew 19:12) and says that those men shouldn't marry. But he never motions to women who might love other women in the same way they might love a man.

~Hunter


I don't wanna correct you since your on my side and all, but the Bible does indeed speak out against lesbians. If you have a King James version, it will say when man lays with man, but then again he refers to mankind as "man" Woman are included in any of those type deals.

[Hunter_Steel]

I have a question, just of something I'm curious about (and any other Christians reading this, feel free to chime in, this question isn't just for LouBerry). Do you consider the law of the US or the Bible to be above one another? If the Bible says you should do something, but US law says you shouldn't do that, would you do it? And vice versa? Would you do something the US law tells you that you have to do even if it goes against what the Bible says?

Neither laws are above each other. If the bible says you must do something that can get you in jail, then you should ignore that because whats better.

A life in jail, or a life abiding by the law, growing up without a criminal record and such? I believe that country laws override the bible in some areas.

I don't wanna correct you since your on my side and all, but the Bible does indeed speak out against lesbians. If you have a King James version, it will say when man lays with man, but then again he refers to mankind as "man" Woman are included in any of those type deals.

Just because I'm a Christian, doesn't mean you shouldn't correct me. Because if I am lacking in something, another Christian can help me get a new insight on something else. :)

While yes, I do agree to that to some extent, I believe that lesbians are not spoken against. Because most women sorry if I am being discriminative or sexist and speaking under correction here. Are usually bi-sexual. Also, women are more free to experiment than men. We have to pick a sexuality and stick with it. Its also generally not looked down upon when two women would come to eachother as besties, hug and give eachother kiss on the cheek and begin all that crazy girl talk.

But with guys, we try that: We're called gay. So yeah, society see's that women can be somewhat more free than men in cases of sexuality. Which is what I think the bible also tells us. I interperet the bible in a very different way to the rest of my Reformed Christian friends. And in some cases, Reformed Christians and Protestant Christians don't agree on a few things, but are mostly still the same.

~Hunter

[OFD-Lt.Mark]

I just stumbled across one of the most disgusting sites i've ever seen on the web *http://www.landoverbaptist.net/?*. Every one is so judgemental and assumptious and narrow-minded, i've got to ask is it the majority of christians that think like this, or a just a few extreamists? A few questions on your Moral standing.

1: Do you believe that women are inferior to men, and are only there to clean, cook and bear children for men?
2: Do you believe that a girl who is raped has to then marry her rapist? Thats what it says in the bible.
3: Are gays abominations that should be killed?
4: Does belief over-rider law? It says if you wife commits adultery you should kill her, you obviously can't do that. But if someone did, would you condone him for following the bible?
5: Do you respect others rights to believe what they like? For example what would you do if an islamist sat by you on the bus?

It might just be the fact that the people on that site have acturally managed to brainwash themselves to believing the rubbish they sprout themselves, but since i've never met a die-hard christian, i wouldn't know.

Thanks.

1. I dont personally believe their inferior but the bible DOES refer to women, that they should submit to their husbands. Reason being that the women cause the fall of man, by eating the fruit then decieving her husband.
2. DEFINATELY NOT and I have never read that, if fact I believe that could be a lie.
3. I myself am not homosexual but I do not think they are abominations. I hav many homosexual friends.
4. The bibile says it does not conflict itself but I live by the ten commandamants more than the bible as a whole to be honest. I believe one small one is thall shall not murder.
5. I believe in God and Jesus and the bible but I do not believe in religion. I have no problem with what others believe. I know what I believe and thats enough for me.

[Bethany]

Neither laws are above each other. If the bible says you must do something that can get you in jail, then you should ignore that because whats better.

A life in jail, or a life abiding by the law, growing up without a criminal record and such? I believe that country laws override the bible in some areas.



I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here. Wouldn't a life in prison for doing something the Bible tells you that you should do be preferable, since you'll be rewarded for it in the afterlife? Does Christianity work like that?

[Hunter_Steel]

A life without sin is better than a life with sin. If you end up in jail, then its not what God wanted you to do. You can still do what the bible tells you to, but not in a way that can get you thrown in jail. I believe its better to live a peaceful life without a criminal record, than one of being known as a criminal.

~Hunter