Rep

[NudistKid]

What happened to the rep its just sorta disappered?

[StoppingTime]

Reputation has been completely disabled on VT, for a variety of reasons. I highly doubt it will be coming back, either. Everything else is how it's always been, just without rep, points, or blocks.

[NudistKid]

I liked it though cant people choose to keep it?

[StoppingTime]

No. It's an all or nothing addon, and we've chosen to completely remove it.

[xxPerryPlatypusxx]

im glad its gone

[NudistKid]

im not i liked it it was good for praising people for good posts cant we have an option so some people can have it if they want?

[Apollo.]

Woop! finally people can stop arguing about it! It's all I've fucking heard for the last week on here. Yeah some people will miss it but finally I can stop hearing about it!

[Hyper]

After all these years? Finally had the balls to do it!

Applause

[Jess]

Woop! finally people can stop arguing about it! It's all I've fucking heard for the last week on here. Yeah some people will miss it but finally I can stop hearing about it!
Agreed. Sick of all the complaints.

[DerBear]

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u401/derri5/REP_zps9d42ab7f.png

Seriously its no big deal lol

[StoppingTime]

im not i liked it it was good for praising people for good posts cant we have an option so some people can have it if they want?

That would defeat the purpose of a supposed fair system. The only way it's fair is if either everyone has it, or nobody does.
And if you like someone's posts so much, PM or VM them that you like it. Same thing, without the competition and ego boosters.

[Rayquaza]

Im just going to post this thread here for anyone that has any things need explaining in a hope it might explain why it was probably removed:

Should the Reputation System be removed? (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=171999)

[Ryhanna]

Agreed. Sick of all the complaints.

Me too. It got to be way too much. And over such a silly thing, too.

Shame it had to go. It was a good system, when respected.

[Hyper]

But it wasnt since forever. I remember when it was implemented gawd... How some good ideas go bad due to human nature

[Sugaree]

Oh wow, it's gone.

[Iron Man]

Yes. This shall be a bright future..I hope.

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[Erasmus]

Thank you. This is great :)

[Origami]

im glad its gone

Woop! finally people can stop arguing about it! It's all I've fucking heard for the last week on here. Yeah some people will miss it but finally I can stop hearing about it!

After all these years? Finally had the balls to do it!

Applause

Agreed. Sick of all the complaints.

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Seriously its no big deal lol

Yes. This shall be a bright future..I hope.

Thank you. This is great :)

All of the above.

[Mirage]

All of the above.

This. It was just a plain annoyance and it was time to get rid of it.

[Scarface]

it was overdue for it to go and im glad i was here to do it. it wasn't doing a help site like this any justice. I'll make an announcement tonight about it

[dontfiguremeout]

Finally it's gone!!! Now people don't have to fight about all the bad reps they get! It's pretty annoying when people abuse the neg reps too!

[PinkFloyd]

http://www.creatureentertainment.com/creature/wordpress/imageassets/2013/01/fuck-yeah.jpg

[Human]

I'm glad it's gone. I was either for only positive but I guess this is better.
A lot of forums I've been on have disabled it too.

[sparkles]

I had no idea how it even worked, lol, but it looked like a had a lot of reps? not sure how that works

[Aves]

Everyone's celebrating and I'm sitting here unaltered.

[Magus]

Hahahahahahaha!

Reeeeeeeeep is goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooone!

And hopefully it is not some April Fool or some shit.

[Lights]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/000/183/459/boxxy_came.png

So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, goodbye!

[karl]

I'll believe it if it's still gone on 2nd April!

[Tristin.]

Reputation, reputation, reputation! Oh, I have lost my reputation! I have los- as Karl said, give it til april second

[Infidelitas]

Thank fuck for that :D

[xXl0sth0peXx]

Hahahahahahaha!

Reeeeeeeeep is goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooone!

And hopefully it is not some April Fool or some shit.

Oh dude I can guarantee you that this is not an April fools joke.

Thank god.

[thisisben]

i am kinda glad its gone because people were giving me negative points because apparently i was asking for attention but was just stating facts !

[Wonder.]

Oh wow. My User CP looks really empty now.

[UnknownError]

This is not ok omg.

[Professional Russian]

Everyones like "Yeah the rep systems gone" or like "Noooooo i cant rep farm anymore" and im just here like "Why did anyone give a fuck about rep in the first place?"

[Gumleaf]

I want to add an opinion to rep. The debate of whether or not it should be kept or have only positive and no neg rep or things like that have gone on since before I was on vt staff in 2007, so this debate has been ongoing for years. But the thing with the rep system how it was, was that it was a popularity thing that had no reflection of people's real contribution to the site.

The reason I come to that conclusion is that since rep really took off in 2007, it has slowly grown into a big monster. As the active members in 2007 all gave rep to eachother, their rep power grew. So as their rep power grew, as they gave rep to new members the next year, they were rewarded with higher rep then those in 2007, because the rep they were receiving came from people with higher rep power. As this cycle went on and on over the years, it has become more and more extreme to the situation where new members with not many posts are already getting huge amounts of rep power, because those giving it to them already have huge rep power. I'm not sure if that makes sense, but i hope you can follow what i'm saying?

The rep system was designed to 'reward' those who provided great advice and support to other members and so that new members could see from the rep of others, who they could ask or approach for advice etc based on their capbilities and from how they had helped others. This clearly isn't the case now. Admittingly, in my time on vt senior staff rep was already getting way out of control from the purpose it was created, but in 2013 it has past out of control and was at the insane stage. Rep, over the last few years, has infact just been a popularity contest and an ass kissing tool for members to use to get the staff's attention. I think it's a good idea for it to be removed and i think Ronnie said it best earlier when in it's current form is not a good tool for a help site.

[karl]

'when in it's current form is not a good tool for a help site.'

With the fear of getting neg rep now removed, I can safely ask you why you wrote 'when in it's current...', when you should have written 'when in its current...'!

[Maverick]

'when in it's current form is not a good tool for a help site.'

With the fear of getting neg rep now removed, I can safely ask you why you wrote 'when in it's current...', when you should have written 'when in its current...'!
Lol... oh boy. Nobody likes a grammar Nazi.

[Shadow]

Yay Rep Is Gone

[Gumleaf]

'when in it's current form is not a good tool for a help site.'

With the fear of getting neg rep now removed, I can safely ask you why you wrote 'when in it's current...', when you should have written 'when in its current...'!

If someone gave you neg rep for that it would be a joke, like seriously, how petty.
Anyways, yes you are clearly correct. But do I care? Not really lol.

[Troy35216]

first, i was gonna ask "what happened to the rep thingy?" and i figured an admin was the right person to ask so I went to the index thingy to see where the "ask the admin" forum was and then when i got here boom! there is a post about where did the reps go. so i didn't have to ask and post something that was already posted i could just click on it and read what other people had asked and answered without repeating the same question and without having people repeat the same answers. too bad that doesn't work for the 9 million surveys and "am i normal" posts :P

2nd. it is just my luck that when I finally stopped caring about getting bad reps the whole thing went away. the good news is I don't have to worry about honestly speaking my mind out of fear of being slammed with a million bad reps and then having people think i'm some kind of jerk cuz of a low score or whatever. the bad news I will miss being able to say "way to go!" to people altho i guess i can just send them pms but lots of times i liked to anonymously give good reps so people wouldn't think i was just fishing for reps back. but in the end it is worth it to be able to speak my mind (but still staying in the rules and not being a dick) without being afraid of being punished for it by people who abuse the rep thing.

[Pierce]

I would love to see it come back. I read that it will most likely not be coming back, but this is a big negative to me. Maybe a mass poll can be taken to see who wants it to stay. I understand it probably won't return, but I wanted to express my discontent with this decision.

[Origami]

I would love to see it come back. I read that it will most likely not be coming back, but this is a big negative to me. Maybe a mass poll can be taken to see who wants it to stay. I understand it probably won't return, but I wanted to express my discontent with this decision.

Judging by the threads discussing it, it was kind of obvious that a larger portion of the community was in favor of the removal than those who were against it. Regardless, it was broken and just a burden on staff it seems. Why keep something that doesn't serve a purpose anymore.

I'm glad it's finally gone. Even if the posts seem a bit barren now.

[Iron Man]

I read that it will most likely not be coming back, but this is a big negative to me.
Why is that? Does rep really affect you that much?


Maybe a mass poll can be taken to see who wants it to stay

No reason to do that, because if rep farmers outnumber people who hated rep, it would be like rigging an election.

[Synyster Shadows]

Omg, thank you! Finally, it's gone! I was so tired of seeing people complain about it.

[Pipo]

Reputation has been completely disabled on VT, for a variety of reasons. I highly doubt it will be coming back, either. Everything else is how it's always been, just without rep, points, or blocks.

Glad it's removed I think it's better to be without it.

[Cognizant]

It's funny how people in here are making a big deal of it by saying it's no big deal.

[Aves]

I'm actually voice my opinion on this, even though I know it's probably a lone idea. One thing I did enjoy about the rep system was knowing that your post was well received. I didn't give a fuck about the number or anything, just being able to go to the User CP and see that people had given + rep, but more importantly - rep. Why am I concerned about negative rep? Because it was a way for people to voice their disapproval without coming of as an asshole for countering and targeting someone in a thread.

If there were a way that the rep system could exist without the rep bar/power existing, or something similar, that the only people who would know are the member receiving and the one giving it see it, that would be great.

[kryptonite]

Me too. It got to be way too much. And over such a silly thing, too.

Shame it had to go. It was a good system, when respected.


The problem was that it wasn't respected. You had a lot of people who would group up and positive-rep each other and get a lot of green dots. If someone respectfully disagreed, they'd get one anonymous negative rep and be repped into the stone age. If you disagreed with someone in a rep-clique, you could go from +300 to -1298 in a matter of a day or so.

The whole thing was unfair.

The alternatives would be to say each person's rep could only affect +/- 1 point and severely limit the number of reps per day AND severely limit the number of posts until someone could rep again:

Say "You can only rep 7 times per day AND you must rep 20 times before you hit someone up again."

The problem with the above illustration is that even that could be up for abuse.


So, you further limit it and make it so that their username is below a certain post..."Bob likes this post" or "Stephanie likes this post" with no way to neg-rep.

Even that could be up for abuse.


With that said, the system was corrupt and sometimes the best method to deal with corrupt things is to take them out in the garbage.



As far as disabling it? I don't see what that did. IIRC, mine was disabled, but I could still see who repped me. I just had a single dot saying "sportsfan has disabled their rep."

If you want to truly disable it, you'd have to remove them from the game. They couldn't receive any rep, but they wouldn't be able to give either. (Why should they be able to neg someone and not get any neg in return?)

[Pipo]

I'm actually voice my opinion on this, even though I know it's probably a lone idea. One thing I did enjoy about the rep system was knowing that your post was well received. I didn't give a fuck about the number or anything, just being able to go to the User CP and see that people had given + rep, but more importantly - rep. Why am I concerned about negative rep? Because it was a way for people to voice their disapproval without coming of as an asshole for countering and targeting someone in a thread.

If there were a way that the rep system could exist without the rep bar/power existing, or something similar, that the only people who would know are the member receiving and the one giving it see it, that would be great.

Isn't simple thank you? enough with quote? Then you know it was a good post..

[Aves]

Isn't simple thank you? enough with quote? Then you know it was a good post..

No. Because a simple thank you with a quote as either a PM or VM would be annoying, and in a thread would be nothing but a spam post, in my eyes.

[ImCoolBeans]

No. Because a simple thank you with a quote as either a PM or VM would be annoying, and in a thread would be nothing but a spam post, in my eyes.

A thank you over VM or PM would annoy you? You're asking for gratification here, but saying that type of gratification would annoy you... That sounds a little out there Con.

[IAMWILL]

It's funny how people in here are making a big deal of it by saying it's no big deal.

I was thinking the same thing, clearly people cared about it. That or people who know they abused it wanted to post "oh ya I'm so glad its gone" just to try and clear themselves from accusation, even though a lot of the people who have posted about being so happy its gone rep farmed.

I just have a question. If it were to come back, would everyone start at 0 again? Also, if that was the case, no one could really rep until they hit 6 months/1000posts/whatever the last benchmark for getting auto rep was right? Because everyone's rep power would be 0...

[Origami]

I was thinking the same thing, clearly people cared about it. That or people who know they abused it wanted to post "oh ya I'm so glad its gone" just to try and clear themselves from accusation, even though a lot of the people who have posted about being so happy its gone rep farmed.

I just have a question. If it were to come back, would everyone start at 0 again? Also, if that was the case, no one could really rep until they hit 6 months/1000posts/whatever the last benchmark for getting auto rep was right? Because everyone's rep power would be 0...

In my opinion, we won't see the return of the reputation system during the current staff's time on the site. It was a pretty swift and unanimous decision to remove it from what I saw among the various threads.

It became a popularity contest at the end of the day which is the very thing many teens flock here to avoid; however, as has been suggested before, I'd love to see some kind of non-point based system returned. It's true that send a VM or PM can be rather tedious, especially if you aim to thank multiple members outside of your thread. Some kind of invisible thank system where users can't leave a message would be nice. Just a simple notification saying "user has thanked your post" would be sufficient enough, I feel.

As for the numerical returns, I don't think anyone would retain their previous reputation values. I'm not sure if the reputation system used was a third-party plugin or domestic to vBulletin, but either way I don't believe the numbers would come back. If it was a third-party plugin then the user data was likely all trashed along with it, and if it was domestic I believe Mike would reset the values before ever reinstating it. And I don't foresee him reinstating it, to be honest. But I can't speak on his behalf.

[Pipo]

In my opinion, we won't see the return of the reputation system during the current staff's time on the site. It was a pretty swift and unanimous decision to remove it from what I saw among the various threads.

It became a popularity contest at the end of the day which is the very thing many teens flock here to avoid; however, as has been suggested before, I'd love to see some kind of non-point based system returned. It's true that send a VM or PM can be rather tedious, especially if you aim to thank multiple members outside of your thread. Some kind of invisible thank system where users can't leave a message would be nice. Just a simple notification saying "user has thanked your post" would be sufficient enough, I feel.

As for the numerical returns, I don't think anyone would retain their previous reputation values. I'm not sure if the reputation system used was a third-party plugin or domestic to vBulletin, but either way I don't believe the numbers would come back. If it was a third-party plugin then the user data was likely all trashed along with it, and if it was domestic I believe Mike would reset the values before ever reinstating it. And I don't foresee him reinstating it, to be honest. But I can't speak on his behalf.

just to clear this: VM means ??? and PM = Private message that I know but what is VM?

[Jess]

just to clear this: VM means ??? and PM = Private message that I know but what is VM?

VM is Visitor Message

[Aves]

In my opinion, we won't see the return of the reputation system during the current staff's time on the site. It was a pretty swift and unanimous decision to remove it from what I saw among the various threads.

It became a popularity contest at the end of the day which is the very thing many teens flock here to avoid; however, as has been suggested before, I'd love to see some kind of non-point based system returned. It's true that send a VM or PM can be rather tedious, especially if you aim to thank multiple members outside of your thread. Some kind of invisible thank system where users can't leave a message would be nice. Just a simple notification saying "user has thanked your post" would be sufficient enough, I feel.

As for the numerical returns, I don't think anyone would retain their previous reputation values. I'm not sure if the reputation system used was a third-party plugin or domestic to vBulletin, but either way I don't believe the numbers would come back. If it was a third-party plugin then the user data was likely all trashed along with it, and if it was domestic I believe Mike would reset the values before ever reinstating it. And I don't foresee him reinstating it, to be honest. But I can't speak on his behalf.

This is essentially what I was suggesting. I mean, I wouldn't care if a message was optional, but something other than PMs or VMs. The reason I was suggesting something other than PMs or VMs is once again because anonymity. I know I would sometimes not sign + rep because they don't need to know I personally approved their post.

Regardless of if there were to be a system with messages or not, you cannot have just a pure "like" system. There must be an option to "dislike" a post. Why? Because it's a private, anonymous way to voice an opinion on a post you did not agree with or found to be hurtful.

[Maverick]

This is essentially what I was suggesting. I mean, I wouldn't care if a message was optional, but something other than PMs or VMs. The reason I was suggesting something other than PMs or VMs is once again because anonymity. I know I would sometimes not sign + rep because they don't need to know I personally approved their post.

Regardless of if there were to be a system with messages or not, you cannot have just a pure "like" system. There must be an option to "dislike" a post. Why? Because it's a private, anonymous way to voice an opinion on a post you did not agree with or found to be hurtful.
I dislike your post.




:3 <3

[Jess]

This is essentially what I was suggesting. I mean, I wouldn't care if a message was optional, but something other than PMs or VMs. The reason I was suggesting something other than PMs or VMs is once again because anonymity. I know I would sometimes not sign + rep because they don't need to know I personally approved their post.

Regardless of if there were to be a system with messages or not, you cannot have just a pure "like" system. There must be an option to "dislike" a post. Why? Because it's a private, anonymous way to voice an opinion on a post you did not agree with or found to be hurtful.

I think the likes system mod for vB does have an unlike.

EDIT: oh wait that's not even the same as a dislike. Never mind

[Apollo.]

I think we should make it against the rules to mention rep on here now, it's gone, its not coming back so people need to get over it. Its already been said that people shouldn't need thanked for helping someone and if somebody's post is that amazing I'm sure you can pm them. I thought the moaning would stop when it was gone, unfortunately not.

[Stephan]

Overrated xd

[Origami]

I think we should make it against the rules to mention rep on here now, it's gone, its not coming back so people need to get over it. Its already been said that people shouldn't need thanked for helping someone and if somebody's post is that amazing I'm sure you can pm them. I thought the moaning would stop when it was gone, unfortunately not.

In that case let's make it a rule against making any suggestion while we're at it.

No. There is nothing wrong with people having differing opinions on the rep systems removal and unlikely replacement. Considering how long it has been a part of this site, you can't expect it to simply 'disappear' and have no discussion over it.

Yes, I'm glad it's gone, it was stupidly inflated and abused. But I'm all for having a private 'like/dislike' system that doesn't have numbers or messages attached to it. Let's face it, if you whine about someone 'disliking' your post when it doesn't effect you in any way, then you're just a whiny bitch who isn't prepared for life yet. Amirite? ;)

[Apollo.]

In that case let's make it a rule against making any suggestion while we're at it.

No. There is nothing wrong with people having differing opinions on the rep systems removal and unlikely replacement. Considering how long it has been a part of this site, you can't expect it to simply 'disappear' and have no discussion over it.

Yes, I'm glad it's gone, it was stupidly inflated and abused. But I'm all for having a private 'like/dislike' system that doesn't have numbers or messages attached to it. Let's face it, if you whine about someone 'disliking' your post when it doesn't effect you in any way, then you're just a whiny bitch who isn't prepared for life yet. Amirite? ;)

Yes I do agree, you are right. However the rep system having to be removed because people were getting so upset about it clearly shows VT has a large population of whiny bitches that aren't ready for life:P

[Origami]

Yes I do agree, you are right. However the rep system having to be removed because people were getting so upset about it clearly shows VT has a large population of whiny bitches that aren't ready for life:P

As such should be expected of a "help site." People don't come here because they're readily able to handle all of life's obstacles on their own.

[Apollo.]

As such should be expected of a "help site." People don't come here because they're readily able to handle all of life's obstacles on their own.

Then does that not mean we are better off without the "like and dislike" system as well? Sorry I'm just being a picky fucker tonight. I do get where you are coming from, at least without the comments it cant get to personal.

[Origami]

Then does that not mean we are better off without the "like and dislike" system as well? Sorry I'm just being a picky fucker tonight. I do get where you are coming from, at least without the comments it cant get to personal.

For some people, expressing their thanks can be a tedious chore no matter how much they want to. Personally, I'd rather express gratitude through a simple click of a button rather than wasting my time writing a generic thank you VM/PM. Likewise, I'd rather receive a notification versus a generic message.

On the flip side, a simple "User has disliked your post" would start a lot less drama than if I were to send someone a PM in private on how I felt they were out of line or rude to another user.

[VictoriaGotaSecret]

I guess when I consider giving rep its removed