communism

[tovaris]

What are your thaughts on communism?
How do you see it being instaled as a society sistem?
How do you view the marxist socialist theories?

[Nellerin]

What are your thaughts on communism?
How do you see it being instaled as a society sistem?
How do you view the marxist socialist theories?

Theory of it is good, practice of it is bad. Marxism calls for a Utopian society not the oppression that modern communist countries employ.

[MrMundane]

Perfect system, wrong species

[TheMatrix]

Greetings, comrades:

The idea of communism is good. However, humans are inherently capitalist, as that was and still is a survival instinct of every single species on this planet. Any animal tries to get the most in order to survive, and for humans, to live luxuriously. This cannot easily be changed.

But despair not! Instead of Communism, we can set up a Socialist society and try to limit the evils of capitalism. Fairness for all, ideally.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Marxism great economically. Reformed into terrible practice.

Marxism with fair rights should be superior system.

[Harry Smith]

Have to agree with all said above, it's been perverted so much from the original idea of Marx and Engels in the 1800's. Just another tool for politicians to get power

[tovaris]

Theory of it is good, practice of it is bad. Marxism calls for a Utopian society not the oppression that modern communist countries employ.

Actuly there are no countries that have comunisem they only abuse the term.

[Southside]

Good idea, its just abused by people at the top.

[Jess]

Theory of it is good, practice of it is bad. Marxism calls for a Utopian society not the oppression that modern communist countries employ.

Basically this.

[Human]

Like everyone says, it doesn't really work.

[kayleethegray]

I totally believe in Communism, I try to conduct myself based on equality,which is, in my opinion, the very essence of communism. I also believe that communism cannot exist because I think that capitalism is engraved in human nature, the idea to be the most successful, and we wouldn't work for our pay, since everyone gets paid the same, no matter the job. I blame the long reigns of kings for the engraved need for a payment hierarchy.

[Taryn98]

Governments that strictly follow communism fail bause it provides no incentive for hard work or innovation among many other reasons.
I don't believe in absolute equality. I think everyone should have the same opportunities to achieve success, but there clearly are people that are smarter or hard working or naturally talented than others. In life there are always winners and losers and the idea that everyone gets the same thing regardless of effort/skill/talent is ridiculous to me.

[Cicero]

Governments that strictly follow communism fail bause it provides no incentive for hard work or innovation among many other reasons.
I don't believe in absolute equality. I think everyone should have the same opportunities to achieve success, but there clearly are people that are smarter or hard working or naturally talented than others. In life there are always winners and losers and the idea that everyone gets the same thing regardless of effort/skill/talent is ridiculous to me.

I agree completely.

Others are strong advocates for "Spreading the wealth" and making sure everyone is financially equal and what not.

I'm such a huge supporter of the wealthy and corporations, as well as small business. Sadly everyone doesn't get the same chance at success. Just look at the majority of the wealthy, they're mostly white. I definitely believe both background and race/ethnicity has something to do with how successful someone is. I don't support it, but I believe it's a big factor. There aren't many successful non whites on the Forbes lists, other than many Arabs due to oil.

[Danny_boi 16]

I used to think that communism and socialism were good ideas. But now I see the state cannot survive with these two ideologies. The idea of a classless community or society is quite radical even so radical that it cannot work. Communism always fails especially in the places where it is implemented such as the Russian federation, China or Cuba. Although people believe that communism works well in those countries that does not and that is why there’s not a flow of information between capitalist countries and communist countries. The community needs people and a higher social hierarchy and those in the lower one. This is how communities thrive; one depends upon the other in order for the other to live and be successful. Marxist ideas believe that communism can only be achieved through violent revolution, although it is very unnecessary to have a violent revolution. It’s a one wishes to achieve communism they should be in a power of influence, although, it is a necessary according to Marx to have a revolution. Capitalism is natural, communism is unnatural; I believe that’s capitalism is the only end best way to have an economic system. The government’s does not have the right to own private enterprise no matter how big or too small.

[BpOlson]

Yea great idiology behind it but it requires no emotions. So we would all be robots for it to work

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

The ideology and theory is great. But the problem is that communism has a lot of negative publicity. Who do you think of first when you think about communism? Tyrants like Stalin and Mao.

Most of the communist states failed because of dictators who ruled with an iron fist for decades. That's not what communism is. Marx's theory says everyone should be equal in communism. Tell that to all the minorities in Russia who suffered under Stalin's rule.

So, naturally none of us want to be ruled by people such as that. Communism and Marxism have been painted in a very bad light by the West, because we feared it as much as the communists feared capitalism and the western civilization. They were all extremely paranoid, and that's why communism is pretty much dead and buried now.

To sum it up: I don't think it would ever work in practice, because the people at the top can do anything and everything with their power.

[TheBassoonist]

Communism only works in theory. Like many things, communist theory doesn't carry over in practice.

[workingatperfect]

I prefer Socialism because it's more based around you get what you give in terms of production. However, neither of these systems will work well or for an extended period of time because too many people would be so opposed to it that they could find a way to overcome it. I like the idea of everyone being on the same social/economic level, but it could never work. But, I also don't like the idea of the government having that much control, so I'm kind of torn. If we could have a government that would be able to keep the economy fair and under control, without overstepping their bounds and without getting too involved in everything else, that would be great. But it's simply not going to happen, and Marx knew that. He came up with the conflict perspective of Sociology which was that there is a constant struggle for power and that society is based around competition. He knew better than anyone that his system, as nice as it would be, would never have lasted.

[tovaris]

I used to think that communism and socialism were good ideas. But now I see the state cannot survive with these two ideologies. The idea of a classless community or society is quite radical even so radical that it cannot work. Communism always bails especially in the places where it is implemented such as the Russian federation, China or Cuba. Although people believe that communism works well in those countries that does not and that is why there’s not a flow of information between capitalist countries and communist countries. The community needs people and a higher social hierarchy and those in the lower one. This is how communities thrive; one depends upon the other in order for the other to live and be successful. Marxist ideas believe that communism can only be achieved through violent revolution, although it is very unnecessary to have a violent revolution. It’s a one wishes to achieve communism they should be in a power of influence, although, it is a necessary according to Marx to have a revolution. Capitalism is natural, communism is unnatural; I believe that’s capitalism is the only end best way to have an economic system. The government’s does not have the right to own private enterprise no matter how big or too small.

I sory to repet my self but not one country in the world has ever had a communist sistam
Also about the nturalyty, how do you think the first humter gathereg grups and later on comunities functioned if not for naturalyty of communisem?

Governments that strictly follow communism fail bause it provides no incentive for hard work or innovation among many other reasons.
I don't believe in absolute equality. I think everyone should have the same opportunities to achieve success, but there clearly are people that are smarter or hard working or naturally talented than others. In life there are always winners and losers and the idea that everyone gets the same thing regardless of effort/skill/talent is ridiculous to me.

I beleve it seems ridiculous to you now but that is mostly part to the envierment you live in that replicates itself by legitamising itaelf this exact way.

Don't double post. ~Max

[Bethany]

Communist theories has been poorly put into practicing - in so-called "communist" entities, minorities are oppressed and the people at the top still hoard the wealth.

For communism to work, you would need a small, fairly politically and cultural homogeneous population with a desire to make communism work, not to twist the concept so that it means the leaders get everything in the country.

[Cygnus]

As previously mentioned the theory of communism itself is great, it represents what could get to be a utopian society. Unfortunately the biggest problem with communism is that recourses are limited, therefore there will not be enough to satisfy the people. Plus, the people who implement it are not the best suited if I am honest.

[tovaris]

As previously mentioned the theory of communism itself is great, it represents what could get to be a utopian society. Unfortunately the biggest problem with communism is that recourses are limited, therefore there will not be enough to satisfy the people. Plus, the people who implement it are not the best suited if I am honest.

Ever heard the phrase „we could feed the starving world with what we throw away” there are plenty of recourses they are just not spred out equaly, communisem would deel with this by giving everiine the same amount of everething. Also not a single perso that sad they were implementing communisem actuly did so best case scenario they implemented some kind of socialisem.

[Korashk]

Ever heard the phrase „we could feed the starving world with what we throw away” there are plenty of recourses they are just not spred out equaly,
No, he's referring to scarcity in an economic sense. Communism is infeasible in the real world because all important resources are scarce, or limited.

[Professional Russian]

Communism is a great idea.....in perfect world wear people aren't greedy and corrupt

[tovaris]

No, he's referring to scarcity in an economic sense. Communism is infeasible in the real world because all important resources are scarce, or limited.

for example.... What, what is limited in such a way?

[Harry Smith]

for example.... What, what is limited in such a way?

Water and Oil are both limited resources

[Korashk]

for example.... What, what is limited in such a way?
Literally every resource that only exists in a physical form. The only resources that arguably aren't limited are the ones that exist as data on a computer that can be infinitely copied.

Before the advent of computers there were no resourced that weren't limited.

[tovaris]

Water and Oil are both limited resources

There is enouth wather for everione if used corectly, we do not need oil.

Literally every resource that only exists in a physical form. The only resources that arguably aren't limited are the ones that exist as data on a computer that can be infinitely copied.

Before the advent of computers there were no resourced that weren't limited.

if thiese are spred around everione will have enouth

[Korashk]

if thiese are spred around everione will have enouth
...You aren't understanding the concept of scarcity. Everyone may have enough now, but ultimately there is a limit to how much of every resource that can be used. That's why everyone can't have everything. Hence why every resource is scarce.

[tovaris]

...You aren't understanding the concept of scarcity. Everyone may have enough now, but ultimately there is a limit to how much of every resource that can be used. That's why everyone can't have everything. Hence why every resource is scarce.

Like what? Look at air for example air there is a limited amount but for now we are all still communisticly breving it in for free thet is! Wather? Most of the world is cowerd with itand it can be made drincable wery easy... what resource in scerse in a way that everyone can't benifit from it?

Communist theories has been poorly put into practicing - in so-called "communist" entities, minorities are oppressed and the people at the top still hoard the wealth.

For communism to work, you would need a small, fairly politically and cultural homogeneous population with a desire to make communism work, not to twist the concept so that it means the leaders get everything in the country.

I dont think a smal population would be the best solution sur it wozld function in their comunety but the rest of the world would try to crush them or the contacts wouldent be to good, thats why i think the whole world should become one big communist country.

Please use the multi-quote instead of double posting. ~TheMatrix

[Harry Smith]

Communisn is not an ideal situation like many claims. The reason why it fails down is because of it's core belief.
1) Nationalization- This causes massive problems for many major industries, it means that efficiency greatly drops due to the fact there is a no competition.
2) It is largely hypocritical, it stresses how the working class have been repressed yet it's policies would result in the upper class being repressed purely for there background.
3) The world socialism theory requires diplomacy at the end of a barrel.
4) It rewards people for being lazy

[Azunite]

We were not able to apply communism on our societies, because humans are not developed enough to think about humanity and try to contribute to it instead of being selfish.

[britishboy]

communism is a ok idea but is real scary and my families wealth would be taken away and be given what some politician thinks I need

[Harry Smith]

We were not able to apply communism on our societies, because humans are not developed enough to think about humanity and try to contribute to it instead of being selfish.

True wealth distribution doesn't work, it would cause the value of goods to dramatically drop effectively ruining the currency system. I believe very much in parts of socialism but I do not think we should reward people for simply being poor

[britishboy]

True wealth distribution doesn't work, it would cause the value of goods to dramatically drop effectively ruining the currency system. I believe very much in parts of socialism but I do not think we should reward people for simply being poor

exactly and we got benefits so no one is starving, being rewarded for being poor only encourages laziness

[tovaris]

exactly and we got benefits so no one is starving, being rewarded for being poor only encourages laziness

True wealth distribution doesn't work, it would cause the value of goods to dramatically drop effectively ruining the currency system. I believe very much in parts of socialism but I do not think we should reward people for simply being poor

no one would get revarded for being poor because there would be no poor and everione would work to their abilities.
Besides the aim is to ruin the curent sistem and live in a world without money.

[britishboy]

no one would get revarded for being poor because there would be no poor and everione would work to their abilities.
Besides the aim is to ruin the curent sistem and live in a world without money.

a world with out money? How are you gonna pay your tax? Pay staff? Buy houses and furniture and pay bills?

[tovaris]

a world with out money? How are you gonna pay your tax? Pay staff? Buy houses and furniture and pay bills?

In such purest communistic world everithing is free.
You work=roof over your head+food on your plate+education+helthcare....
(If you are unable to work due to some injury or something you stil get all the same stuf)

[britishboy]

In such purest communistic world everithing is free.
You work=roof over your head+food on your plate+education+helthcare....
(If you are unable to work due to some injury or something you stil get all the same stuf)

and what about poverty in China despite it being the worlds richest country, they have the money to give them stuff and in north Korea the hospital actually had power shortages! in britian we have benefits for the poorer who want to work, free health care and education

[tovaris]

and what about poverty in China despite it being the worlds richest country, they have the money to give them stuff and in north Korea the hospital actually had power shortages! in britian we have benefits for the poorer who want to work, free health care and education

Those countris may call themselves communist but they are far from that.
In a communistic world there would be no poor.

[britishboy]

Those countris may call themselves communist but they are far from that.
In a communistic world there would be no poor.

and how are they gonna get the money if the economy crashes and have you herd of Korea? the Americans taken the south, the Soviets taken the north and introduced communism and now people risk there lives trying to escape to south Korea. the rich are needed in society, they employee people and give money to the government through high tax.

[tovaris]

and how are they gonna get the money if the economy crashes and have you herd of Korea? the Americans taken the south, the Soviets taken the north and introduced communism and now people risk there lives trying to escape to south Korea. the rich are needed in society, they employee people and give money to the government through high tax.

There would be no money, ni tax, ni need to pay anything.
Again Korea is not communist.

[britishboy]

There would be no money, ni tax, ni need to pay anything.
Again Korea is not communist.

north Korea is communist they march waving the red flag with the gold tools and no tax? how are they gonna pay people? maintain defense? build public buildings, transport and harbors?

[tovaris]

north Korea is communist they march waving the red flag with the gold tools and no tax? how are they gonna pay people? maintain defense? build public buildings, transport and harbors?

Korea proclames itself communist but its not, by simole definition.
No one will get paied because there will not be any money, everithing would be free.

[britishboy]

Korea proclames itself communist but its not, by simole definition.
No one will get paied because there will not be any money, everithing would be free.

and the class system? no higher class? and what about imports how are you gonna pay for that?

[StoppingTime]

The DPRK is a terrible example of a communist country. If anything, they're a complete dictatorship, but I'm not even sure they fit that description too well, either. Most of the population is likely enslaved in prison/war camps (some for crimes their grandparents committed) and certainly aren't "sharing the wealth" as a proper communist society would.

[tovaris]

and the class system? no higher class? and what about imports how are you gonna pay for that?

this would be a classles society
whel if the entire world isne a communist republic than you would have to create a fictional currency so that the state can do inport-export

[britishboy]

The DPRK is a terrible example of a communist country. If anything, they're a complete dictatorship, but I'm not even sure they fit that description too well, either. Most of the population is likely enslaved in prison/war camps (some for crimes their grandparents committed) and certainly aren't "sharing the wealth" as a proper communist society would.

and what about China? or Russia they are just as bad and Chinas so rich it's unreal they can afford to feed those in terrible poverty and I read somewhere that Britain has to send foreign aid to China even though they are so much richer than us

this would be a classles society
whel if the entire world isne a communist republic than you would have to create a fictional currency so that the state can do inport-export

do you not understand economics? you can not have a fictional currency it must have value to be converted


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[tovaris]

and what about China? or Russia they are just as bad and Chinas so rich it's unreal they can afford to feed those in terrible poverty and I read somewhere that Britain has to send foreign aid to China even though they are so much richer than us

Many countries that proclame themselves communist are not that at all.

[britishboy]

Many countries that proclame themselves communist are not that at all.

so China Russia or nk is not communist?

[tovaris]

so China Russia or nk is not communist?

NO, and the Russian federation newer clamed they were.

do you not understand economics? you can not have a fictional currency it must have value to be converted

Yes it would have walue. Mo modern curency has acutual walue it s walue simply because we say it does, money is made of paper or bitcoin for example its just some computer code jet it has walue.

[britishboy]

NO, and the Russian federation newer clamed they were.

what about China?

[tovaris]

what about China?

NO they are a sory excuse for socialisem with the outdated wiew of a single shepperd party

[britishboy]

Yes it would have walue. Mo modern curency has acutual walue it s walue simply because we say it does, money is made of paper or bitcoin for example its just some computer code jet it has walue.

yes it does for example £1 = $1.50

[Harry Smith]

Yes it would have walue. Mo modern curency has acutual walue it s walue simply because we say it does, money is made of paper or bitcoin for example its just some computer code jet it has walue.

Yes, but without Money the whole system would collapse. It would require some sort of Gestapo in order for it to be enforced, I can ensure you that dispute would ensure, say what if I'm a male who is able to work for 16 hours in a field doing hard labor why should I get the same as someone who sits at home? or would it force everyone to work?

[britishboy]

NO they are a sory excuse for socialisem with the outdated wiew of a single shepperd party

fair enough I still hate the idea of my money being stolen

[tovaris]

yes it does for example £1 = $1.50

1BTC= cca. 80£

[britishboy]

1BTC= cca. 80£

whats a btc?

[tovaris]

Yes, but without Money the whole system would collapse. It would require some sort of Gestapo in order for it to be enforced, I can ensure you that dispute would ensure, say what if I'm a male who is able to work for 16 hours in a field doing hard labor why should I get the same as someone who sits at home? or would it force everyone to work?

Because labor and welth is distributed equaly, even if my 90 year old grait grandmother cant work and my neighbor can work fo 10 houer a day of fizical word dosent meen anyone would have mor or less everione would have what they needed

whats a btc?

bitcoin internet curency that isent backed by any economy of one country

[britishboy]

bitcoin internet curency that isent backed by any economy of one country

I know but you can buy real things with it and I'm not explaining how currency is valued and why you can't make it up

[tovaris]

I know but you can buy real things with it and I'm not explaining how currency is valued and why you can't make it up

Afcor you can and in our case a country would „make it up” in order to do buisnes with othe countries without efecting its internal harmony

[Harry Smith]

Because labor and welth is distributed equaly, even if my 90 year old grait grandmother cant work and my neighbor can work fo 10 houer a day of fizical word dosent meen anyone would have mor or less everione would have what they needed

that's my whole point, the workers who are doing all the work would develop the idea that since they do the hard work they should be given better rewards for it, just like how a doctor is paid more than a street cleaner

[britishboy]

Afcor you can and in our case a country would „make it up” in order to do buisnes with othe countries without efecting its internal harmony

it would be hard but possible

[tovaris]

that's my whole point, the workers who are doing all the work would develop the idea that since they do the hard work they should be given better rewards for it, just like how a doctor is paid more than a street cleaner

in a communist soiety a doctor and a streetcleeners wage is the same
and in perfect pure communisem there is no wage because there is no money

it would be hard but possible

Countries „make up” curencies all the time you see but a country can still function without internal use of it.

[Harry Smith]

in a communist soiety a doctor and a streetcleeners wage is the same
and in perfect pure communisem there is no wage because there is no money

Why should a doctor get paid the same when he does a Job which requires a lot more skill, more equipment and much harder working conditions. That's unfair

[tovaris]

Why should a doctor get paid the same when he does a Job which requires a lot more skill, more equipment and much harder working conditions. That's unfair

what is unfar is to pay them unequaly a doctor, streatsveper , a dustman, posteman, busdriver, president, secretary... They are all inportant so the cociety which would crumbel it there werent for all of them that is why they get equal pay, or even better no pay at all

[PinkFloyd]

It's an awesome idea, but people like Stalin and Hitler make it look bad.

[britishboy]

Countries „make up” curencies all the time you see but a country can still function without internal use of it.

currencies are not made up you cant decide the exchange rate

[sillydrew]

it only works in a perfect model :C

[Harry Smith]

what is unfar is to pay them unequaly a doctor, streatsveper , a dustman, posteman, busdriver, president, secretary... They are all inportant so the cociety which would crumbel it there werent for all of them that is why they get equal pay, or even better no pay at all

ok, but what is the point of the doctor having to go to medical school for 4 years and do a very stressful job when he can become a street cleaner and get the same amount of money. Communism encourages people to settle for less

[Stronk Serb]

It's an awesome idea, but people like Stalin and Hitler make it look bad.

Hitler was against communists . All got sent to working camps, detention camps, and Jewish communists got shipped to concentration camps alongside other Jewish people.

[tovaris]

currencies are not made up you cant decide the exchange rate

Who said anything about a made up country we are telling about a potential real scenario.

ok, but what is the point of the doctor having to go to medical school for 4 years and do a very stressful job when he can become a street cleaner and get the same amount of money. Communism encourages people to settle for less

No it encourages them to work for the good of their community and not to put their profit first that is why the ultimate aim has to create a society without money.

[BrainDamage]

It's an awesome idea, but people like Stalin and Hitler make it look bad.


Hitler wasn't a communist he was a socialist x_x

NAZI stands for National Socialist German Worker's Party...








And Stalin ruined communism, when Karl Marx first wrote it people were equal...

[Stronk Serb]

Hitler wasn't a communist he was a socialist x_x

NAZI stands for National Socialist German Worker's Party...








And Stalin ruined communism, when Karl Marx first wrote it people were equal...


The name of the party does not matter. The Socialist Party of Serbia was openly fascist and capitalist in the nineties. Now they are corrupt capitalist scum. The name of the party does not mean anything. It is the politics the party has.

[Harry Smith]

Who said anything about a made up country we are telling about a potential real scenario.



No it encourages them to work for the good of their community and not to put their profit first that is why the ultimate aim has to create a society without money.

that's my whole argument, people like to have a natural hierachy, if I'm doing a demanding job then I want to be rewarded. This is why Communism doesn't work, it would require us to be void of ambition

[PinkFloyd]

Hitler was against communists . All got sent to working camps, detention camps, and Jewish communists got shipped to concentration camps alongside other Jewish people.

Thanks for he heads-up.

[BrainDamage]

The name of the party does not matter. The Socialist Party of Serbia was openly fascist and capitalist in the nineties. Now they are corrupt capitalist scum. The name of the party does not mean anything. It is the politics the party has.

Of course it does!!! The DA (Democratic Alliance) is exactly that! Republicans exactly that... If the NAZIs were called pink pony truffles then no one would have known they were SOCIALISTS...

[Stronk Serb]

Of course it does!!! The DA (Democratic Alliance) is exactly that! Republicans exactly that... If the NAZIs were called pink pony truffles then no one would have known they were SOCIALISTS...


My statement meant, just because they have the word "socialist" in their name, does not mean they are socialists. Hitler was not socialist. He was a antisemitic fascist. Even though his party's name was National Socialist Democratic Party does not mean he is socialist. The Communistt Party in North Korea poclaims themselves as communist, while it is not even 30% communist. It is isolationist fascism painted in red with red stars and the sickle and hammer.

[tovaris]

that's my whole argument, people like to have a natural hierachy, if I'm doing a demanding job then I want to be rewarded. This is why Communism doesn't work, it would require us to be void of ambition

There should be no classes or as you put it "natural hierarchy" because we are all equal.
No that's the point people should have ambitions because anyone can become anything in communism. When you do something you do it because you likely do it and because it curves your country.

[BrainDamage]

My statement meant, just because they have the word "socialist" in their name, does not mean they are socialists. Hitler was not socialist. He was a antisemitic fascist. Even though his party's name was National Socialist Democratic Party does not mean he is socialist. The Communistt Party in North Korea poclaims themselves as communist, while it is not even 30% communist. It is isolationist fascism painted in red with red stars and the sickle and hammer.

What shit is this!!! Saying North Korea isn't Communists is like saying the ground concists of Jelly! North Korea is NOTHING like of a socialist country...
If the people in North Korea call ANYONE outside the country the are punished by death... They can not pick their own leader... They concentrate more on their armies than on their people...

Switzerland is socialist... Hitler was socialist but after a while he wanted it all so he became a dictaror...

[Stronk Serb]

What shit is this!!! Saying North Korea isn't Communists is like saying the ground concists of Jelly! North Korea is NOTHING like of a socialist country...
If the people in North Korea call ANYONE outside the country the are punished by death... They can not pick their own leader... They concentrate more on their armies than on their people...

Switzerland is socialist... Hitler was socialist but after a while he wanted it all so he became a dictaror...



North Koera isn't communist. Communism is not meant as totalitarian regime. It meant as a regime where everyone would be economically equal. In North Korea, the state owns everything, and Kim-Jong-Un owns the state. Hence it is not communist since one man owns the whole country. The Soviet Union was not communist, it was a totalitarian dictature regime. So was Nazi Germany with antisemitic ideals. If Hitler was a socialist/communist (both regimes are very close and have the same roots), he would've united with Stalin, and woud not kill 28 million Soviets in the process. The name of the ruling party does not mean the party follows that political movement. Most communist parties followed twisted totalitarian version of communism, not the real thing. The Socialist Party of Serbia claims that it is socialist, but it's politics are obviously fascist/capitalist. Some parties do the same politics as their name implies, like the old pre-world war Yugoslavian Radical Party. They were radical and nationalist.

[BrainDamage]

North Koera isn't communist. Communism is not meant as totalitarian regime. It meant as a regime where everyone would be economically equal. In North Korea, the state owns everything, and Kim-Jong-Un owns the state. Hence it is not communist since one man owns the whole country. The Soviet Union was not communist, it was a totalitarian dictature regime. So was Nazi Germany with antisemitic ideals. If Hitler was a socialist/communist (both regimes are very close and have the same roots), he would've united with Stalin, and woud not kill 28 million Soviets in the process. The name of the ruling party does not mean the party follows that political movement. Most communist parties followed twisted totalitarian version of communism, not the real thing. The Socialist Party of Serbia claims that it is socialist, but it's politics are obviously fascist/capitalist. Some parties do the same politics as their name implies, like the old pre-world war Yugoslavian Radical Party. They were radical and nationalist.

Satlin Owned EVERYTHING in Russia!!! Read your history books then come talk to me...

[tovaris]

Satlin Owned EVERYTHING in Russia!!! Read your history books then come talk to me...

He never said Stalin owned the soviet union.

Because of the lose definition of socialists it is impossible to compare the read socialists with the black and brown "socialists".
And saying North Korea is communist is like saying that the pope is Hindu.

[Stronk Serb]

Satlin Owned EVERYTHING in Russia!!! Read your history books then come talk to me...

I never heard of Satlin, maybe you meant Stalin. Yes he did own everything. Yet it was not true communism. In many dictator regimes the dictator owned everything, one way or another.

[BrainDamage]

He never said Stalin owned the soviet union.

Because of the lose definition of socialists it is impossible to compare the read socialists with the black and brown "socialists".
And saying North Korea is communist is like saying that the pope is Hindu.

Guess I am saying the Pope is Hindu because your narrow thoughts can't comprehend anything...

[BrainDamage]

I never heard of Satlin, maybe you meant Stalin. Yes he did own everything. Yet it was not true communism. In many dictator regimes the dictator owned everything, one way or another.

It was Communism, everything they stood for was based on Karl Marx's writings... Read Animal Farm if you have a hard time comprehending what really happened in Russia

[tovaris]

It was Communism, everything they stood for was based on Karl Marx's writings... Read Animal Farm if you have a hard time comprehending what really happened in Russia

Do you even know what commhnisem is? Do you know what happend in Soviet union?
If you conpare it to anima farm Karl Marx in the old pig Mayor or whats his name while stalin is Napoleon the one who betrais his people. A tipicam and owerly obvious deviation from Marxis ideas is the fackt that he built himself monuments...

[Stronk Serb]

It was Communism, everything they stood for was based on Karl Marx's writings... Read Animal Farm if you have a hard time comprehending what really happened in Russia


Karl Marx did not write:
Burn churches, build monuments to your dictator leaders, for every small doubt get publiculy executed just in case you are the enemy of the revolution.

If he wrote that, I think nobody would follow his teachings. Karl Marx's teachings summed up go like this:

Every man of the oppressed worker class or any other class and financial layer should be materially equal and equal in the eyes of the law.

Leaders in North Korea and in the Soviet Union were owning the whole state. That is not communism nor socialism. I never stated North Korea is socialist in any of my previous posts.

[tovaris]

Guess I am saying the Pope is Hindu because your narrow thoughts can't comprehend anything...

Are you also trying to say N Korea is communist?
They are even farther from communism than Israel or USA

[Stronk Serb]

Are you also triing to say N korea is communist?
They are even farther from from communisem than israel or usa



Funny but true.

[britishboy]

Funny but true.

the 'real' communism you talk about does not and can not exist, nk is communist and so is China etc that is real communism

[Stronk Serb]

the 'real' communism you talk about does not and can not exist, nk is communist and so is China etc that is real communism



No, the USA is more communist then North Korea. In the USA the president does not own the whole country and rule with an iron fist. That is not the point of communism. Especially the iron fist part. In a ommunist state, you should be able o have free speech, be equal in wealth with the rich and be all equal in the eyes of the law. I think that this is possible , but not true communism.

[britishboy]

No, the USA is more communist then North Korea. In the USA the president does not own the whole country and rule with an iron fist. That is not the point of communism. Especially the iron fist part. In a ommunist state, you should be able o have free speech, be equal in wealth with the rich and be all equal in the eyes of the law. I think that this is possible , but not true communism.

no communist state has freedom of speech you are completly making up 'real' communism

[Stronk Serb]

no communist state has freedom of speech you are completly making up 'real' communism



I said a communist state should have it. Not that it has it. Every communist regime is a twisted dictature of the real thing.

[britishboy]

I said a communist state should have it. Not that it has it. Every communist regime is a twisted dictature of the real thing.

communism is terrible and your version is impossible to exist

[Stronk Serb]

communism is terrible and your version is impossible to exist



It is possible. It would be just like Yugoslavia + democratic elections.

[britishboy]

It is possible. It would be just like Yugoslavia + democratic elections.

thats old communism, every communist state today is corrupt, has political prisoners, tortures people and is horrible to the wealthy, the most important people in society

[tovaris]

communism is terrible and your version is impossible to exist

Why is communism terrible?
Are you trying to tell me that a system where everyone has rights and is equal before the law terrible?

thats old communism, every communist state today is corrupt, has political prisoners, tortures people and is horrible to the wealthy, the most important people in society

First of all today you don't have a single communist state in the world.
Secondly the most important is the working class those who create everything the wealthy don't do anything.

[britishboy]

First of all today you dont have a single communist state in the worle. Seconfly the most inportant is the working class those who create everithing the welthi dont do anything.

there are many many communist states in the world just not you imaginary ones and people only like communism because they are poor and STEAL noney from the wealthy, the most important people in society

[tovaris]

there are many many communist states in the world just not you imaginary ones and people only like communism because they are poor and STEAL noney from the wealthy, the most important people in society

Not one state in the world fits the marxist-lenenist defenition of communiser, or any more advanced definitions.
What good do the wealthy do?

[Stronk Serb]

What do the wealthy do?




Make money off the poor. I realized that the whole concept of communism is based on the reater good of the society, not the individual.

[Harry Smith]

Make money off the poor. I realized that the whole concept of communism is based on the reater good of the society, not the individual.

But the problem is that without this individual wealth and competition your economy is going to suffer, it's all about reducing your costs. In Britain we have a lot of legislation to protect people at work with both financial and non-financial aspects of employment. Your idea of protecting the 'working class' is rather out of date due to the fact that your ideas extend from a time when education rates were lower and workers were abused. We're not living in 1920's Russia

[tovaris]

But the problem is that without this individual wealth and competition your economy is going to suffer, it's all about reducing your costs. In Britain we have a lot of legislation to protect people at work with both financial and non-financial aspects of employment. Your idea of protecting the 'working class' is rather out of date due to the fact that your ideas extend from a time when education rates were lower and workers were abused. We're not living in 1920's Russia

Why should all the wealth go to one pig why shouldn't it goes to the people that created it?
Tell me can a normal worker afford a new set of teeth because he got his knocked out by a machine he was working on, no he will probably get a cheep prosthesis from the state instead of a quality item.
Workers are still being abused, and education suffers because of the interest of capital

[Harry Smith]

Why should all the wealth go to one pig why shouldn't it goes to the people that created it?
Tell me can a normal worker afford a new set of teeth because he got his knocked out by a machine he was working on, no he will probably get a cheep prosthesis from the state instead of a quality item.
Workers are still being abused, and education suffers because of the interest of capital

haha if you had any brain you would realize that we don't rely on factories in Britain, we've learnt of something called the outsourcing. If the work was injured at work he could sue his employee, allowing him to pay for high end teeth. Also isn't a National Health service which provides those teeth a Socialist idea? Also our NHS has very good dental service, I lost a tooth and got a perfectly good one in return which has lasted for 11 years. We're some backstreet soviet republic.

Also the 'Pig' idea shows your blind hatred for authority clouds your judgement, my mum works for someone. That Pig pays her money and this money helped create wealth for my family.

[Stronk Serb]

Why should all the wealth go to one pig why shouldn't it goes to the people that created it?
Tell me can a normal worker afford a new set of teeth because he got his knocked out by a machine he was working on, no he will probably get a cheep prosthesis from the state instead of a quality item.
Workers are still being abused, and education suffers because of the interest of capital



In Serbia it is true. There is no real healthcare. To get elan examination, you have to wait approximately 2 and a half hours when you come to your doctor. Education is real crap also. To study here, you need to know far more totally irrelevant stuff, nd with a diploma here, you cannot do anything.

[britishboy]

In Serbia it is true. There is no real healthcare. To get elan examination, you have to wait approximately 2 and a half hours when you come to your doctor. Education is real crap also. To study here, you need to know far more totally irrelevant stuff, nd with a diploma here, you cannot do anything.

remember none of the best countries for education are communist

[tovaris]

haha if you had any brain you would realize that we don't rely on factories in Britain, we've learnt of something called the outsourcing. If the work was injured at work he could sue his employee, allowing him to pay for high end teeth. Also isn't a National Health service which provides those teeth a Socialist idea? Also our NHS has very good dental service, I lost a tooth and got a perfectly good one in return which has lasted for 11 years. We're some backstreet soviet republic.

Also the 'Pig' idea shows your blind hatred for authority clouds your judgement, my mum works for someone. That Pig pays her money and this money helped create wealth for my family.


And who could hire better lawyers certainly not "the work" as you put it.
And do you think the pig paies your mum the wealth she crated or did he take "a little" walue or the top? (I used the pig comparison because of Orwell)

remember none of the best countries for education are communist

What are you talking about Serbia isn't a communist country.
Cuba, a socialist country has much better education than the USA or UK.

[Stronk Serb]

remember none of the best countries for education are communist

Yugoslavia had a decent education system, so that is incorrect. Serbia is not communist, and our universities are not even in the top 500. They were in th top 100-200 during Yugoslavia. Now you are better off not attending them. On PISA tests we are near the bottom.

[britishboy]

And who could hire better lawyers certainly not "the work" as you put it.
And do you think the pig paies your mum the wealth she crated or did he take "a little" walue or the top? (I used the pig comparison because of Orwell)



What are you talking about Serbia isn't a communist country.
Cuba, a socialist country has much better education than the USA or UK.

cuba is a dump

[britishboy]

Yugoslavia had a decent education system, so that is incorrect. Serbia is not communist, and our universities are not even in the top 500. They were in th top 100-200 during Yugoslavia. Now you are better off not attending them. On PISA tests we are near the bottom.

look at the countries of the top 25 universities
http:// www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-rankings/top-400-universities-in-the-world

[tovaris]

cuba is a dump

You know what your capitalist Thacher friend once said.... If someone Starts with insults it means thy haven't got any more political arguments

[britishboy]

You know what your capitalist thacher friend once said.... if someone Starts with insults it means thy havent got any mor political arguments

it is look it might have low crime rate but it is a dump: read best answer he lives/ livef there:
answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070310144847AAZyLe7

[tovaris]

it is look it might have low crime rate but it is a dump: read best answer he lives/ livef there:
answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070310144847AAZyLe7

So what you are saying is that you exausted all your arguments againced communisem and now decided to atack all that reminds you of it because you cant conprehand how undelialy good a sistem it is?

[britishboy]

So what you are saying is that you exausted all your arguments againced communisem and now decided to atack all that reminds you of it because you cant conprehand how undelialy good a sistem it is?

just read this!:
http:// www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Communism/1428263

[Harry Smith]

And who could hire better lawyers certainly not "the work" as you put it.
And do you think the pig paies your mum the wealth she crated or did he take "a little" walue or the top? (I used the pig comparison because of Orwell)



What are you talking about Serbia isn't a communist country.
Cuba, a socialist country has much better education than the USA or UK.

Actually we have a scheme which gives free legal aide, for example someone just accused of Murder had a Liberal Peer who is world famous lawyer as his lawyer despite the fact he didn't pay for it. So I just dismissed your first point

Actually the Pig pays my mum very well for the Job she does,she actually pays her more than her worth due to the fact she just works on the computer as a receptionist something the other dental nurse could do. This pig my mum works for works a 12 hour day as a dentist as well, she works hard as well. Just because someone is rich doesn't mean they are lazy. This dismisses your point

Also love how you assume it's a man, shows your true nature

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Marxism- good, few flaws.
Communism? Terrible.

[tovaris]

just read this!:
http:// www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Communism/1428263

The url dosnt work

Actually we have a scheme which gives free legal aide, for example someone just accused of Murder had a Liberal Peer who is world famous lawyer as his lawyer despite the fact he didn't pay for it. So I just dismissed your first point

Actually the Pig pays my mum very well for the Job she does,she actually pays her more than her worth due to the fact she just works on the computer as a receptionist something the other dental nurse could do. This pig my mum works for works a 12 hour day as a dentist as well, she works hard as well. Just because someone is rich doesn't mean they are lazy. This dismisses your point

Also love how you assume it's a man, shows your true nature

Just because the state provides you with a lawyer it doent mean you can have the infamous Čeferin who represents the capitalists. If a factory worker steals a bag of nails he will go to prison while Hilda Tovšak and company who stole millions get of with 2 hours per day of community labor.

I newer said that the capitalist is lazy I said he/she was unfair, and it doesn't disproof my because the working class is still being abused no matter what you say.

The noun prašič(pig) is of the male gender in the Slovenian language.

Marxism- good, few flaws.
Communism? Terrible.

Why communisem are simply evolved ideas of Marxism

[Appypollylogges]

The idea of communism is great, but people are too greedy and or stupid for it to work right in reality.

[britishboy]

ALL COMMUNISTS READ THIS:
http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Communism/1428263

[Harry Smith]

The url dosnt work



Just because the state provides you with a lawyer it doent mean you can have the infamous Čeferin who represents the capitalists. If a factory worker steals a bag of nails he will go to prison while Hilda Tovšak and company who stole millions get of with 2 hours per day of community labor.

I newer said that the capitalist is lazy I said he/she was unfair, and it doesn't disproof my because the working class is still being abused no matter what you say.

The noun prašič(pig) is of the male gender in the Slovenian language.



Why communisem are simply evolved ideas of Marxism

Your ideas are largely out of date and seem to be based on eastern Europe, if you stole a bag of nails you would just get a warning from the Police. It doesn't matter if your a banker or a worker, we're all equal under the law. Also please use English examples, I and many others don't understand your crazy rhetoric

[britishboy]

ALL COMMUNISTS READ THIS:
http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Communism/1428263

[tovaris]

Your ideas are largely out of date and seem to be based on eastern Europe, if you stole a bag of nails you would just get a warning from the Police. It doesn't matter if your a banker or a worker, we're all equal under the law. Also please use English examples, I and many others don't understand your crazy rhetoric

How can they be out of date if this is happening today in a centraleuropean country of the EU and NATO, a man who stole 856,25 kg of nails will go to jail while Hilda Tovšak, Ivan Zidar, Igor Bavčar, walk free getting of with comunaty labour.
Im not english how am i suposed to know who is the no. 1teef there?

How can you not understand that the noun prašič (pig) is male.

[Harry Smith]

How can they be out of date if this is happening today in a centraleuropean country of the EU and NATO, a man who stole 856,25 kg of nails will go to jail while Hilda Tovšak, Ivan Zidar, Igor Bavčar, walk free getting of with comunaty labour.
Im not english how am i suposed to know who is the no. 1teef there?

How can you not understand that a prašič (pig) is male.

I don't know who these Slavic people are.

What? Your senile and stupid. A women can run a business

[tovaris]

I don't know who these Slavic people are.

What? Your senile and stupid. A women can run a business

Ask uncle google
Who ever asid a women couldent run a buisnis i newer said that, that would be againce commnist ideas of all people being equal.

[Harry Smith]

Ask uncle google
Who ever asid a women couldent run a buisnis i newer said that.

You assumed that my mum worked for a man and that only men can 'exploit workers'

[tovaris]

You assumed that my mum worked for a man and that only men can 'exploit workers'

No i did no such thing i knew that the noun prašič(=pig) is of the male gender so i used he.
Women are even beter exploiters and tirans just loock at m thacher.

[tovaris]

ALL COMMUNISTS READ THIS:
http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Communism/1428263

The ideas the author protrais asncommunistnare the opositw of that, and communisem doesnt prohibit the belife in good Marx himself said that religion is an opium for the mases, the author sees the stalinist USSR as a communiat state which it certanly wasnt

[Stronk Serb]

ALL COMMUNISTS READ THIS:
http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Communism/1428263


Communism did not kill those millions, since it is not an entity. The so-called communist leaders did. Stalin, Pol-Pot, Mao. They did it, not communism. They abused it, to get power. Blame the man, not the ideals. That would be the same as if I would say that capitalism has brought millions of people to poverty. It is not capitalism's fault. It was not well regulated.

[britishboy]

real commonism is impossible and to keep power the leaders must use terror

[tovaris]

real commonism is impossible and to keep power the leaders must use terror

Only the people can have power in comunisem and they cant use teror the people are not a monarch, a god, car... they fight againce those to seze power that belonges to them

[britishboy]

Only the people can have power in comunisem and they cant use teror the people are not a monarch, a god, car... they fight againce those to seze power that belonges to them

andwhy is it the communist leaders are like god and torture people?

[tovaris]

andwhy is it the communist leaders are like god and torture people?

How many times do i have to say that they are not commhnist they abendend or newer folowed the ideas of communisem

[britishboy]

How many times do i have to say that they are not commhnist they abendend or newer folowed the ideas of communisem

real commonism is impossible in makes people do the bare minimum in an unproductive society

[Stronk Serb]

andwhy is it the communist leaders are like god and torture people?

If I wear a red cap that has a sickle and a hammer and it reads "CCCP", does that mean I am 100% communist? Maybe, maybe not. If Hitler changed the name of the Nazi Party to Democratic Party, does that mean he would've been a democrat? No. It is the politics a party has which make it belong to a certain political movement, not the name.

[britishboy]

If I wear a red cap that has a sickle and a hammer and it reads "CCCP", does that mean I am 100% communist? Maybe, maybe not. If Hitler changed the name of the Nazi Party to Democratic Party, does that mean he would've been a democrat? No. It is the politics a party has which make it belong to a certain political movement, not the name.

and if I act like a king can I be the king? no of course not and that is more likely than comments succeeding

[tovaris]

real commonism is impossible in makes people do the bare minimum in an unproductive society

No only in communisem can people acheve their maximum

[Stronk Serb]

real commonism is impossible in makes people do the bare minimum in an unproductive society

As I recall, after the October Revolution in Russia, massive industrialization started. So it is not a minimum.

[britishboy]

As I recall, after the October Revolution in Russia, massive industrialization started. So it is not a minimum.

but people will not be working as hard and I thought according to you that russia isnt communist. you just hate the western world because we bombed you

[Stronk Serb]

I don't know who these Slavic people are.

What? Your senile and stupid. A women can run a business

Mayb le those are Slovenian richmen who did illegal stuff much more severe then stealing a bag of nails. Yet they escaped with community labour.

[tovaris]

but people will not be working as hard and I thought according to you that russia isnt communist. you just hate the western world because we bombed you

Afcors they will work hard they will work even harder than now
The october revolution was communist and had communist efects while the state got lead avay from communist ideas
What has this got to do wth the bombing of Serbia?

[britishboy]

Afcors they will work hard they will work even harder than now
The october revolution was communist and had communist efects while the state got lead avay from communist ideas
What has this got to do wth the bombing of Serbia?

mike just hates the Western world because we bombed him and why would you work hard when yoy have nothing to work towards?

[tovaris]

mike just hates the Western world because we bombed him and why would you work hard when yoy have nothing to work towards?

No we dont hate the west just because they bombed us, that is just "icing on the kake"
You work towards a better more developed future for yoh an your nation

[britishboy]

No we dont hate the west just because they bombed us, that is just "icing on the kake"
You work towards a better more developed future for yoh an your nation

we do the same if not better and get to keep the rewards.

[Stronk Serb]

we do the same if not better and get to keep the rewards.

Taken from other nations. Yugoslavia did not steal stuff like you do.

[Stronk Serb]

but people will not be working as hard and I thought according to you that russia isnt communist. you just hate the western world because we bombed you

It was close to communism during Lenin and Trotsky. Stalin and his successors ruined it.

[tovaris]

we do the same if not better and get to keep the rewards.

Realy? All the welth produced by people staies with them, or does it go to the hands of the welthy? The only reward you get is a bigger and bigger void between the welthy and the poor.

[britishboy]

Realy? All the welth produced by people staies with them, or does it go to the hands of the welthy? The only reward you get is a bigger and bigger void between the welthy and the poor.

we have benefits for the poor and you have no clue about anything here

Taken from other nations. Yugoslavia did not steal stuff like you do.

and what is it we steal from other nations?

[tovaris]

we have benefits for the poor and you have no clue

Ph benifits you say like one could leave of of them you cant even pay the bils with those.
But why are the poor poor its certenatly baceuse they are not capabe its because the sistem doesnt alow this to change, sure someone from the darkest parts of Nove Fužine can theoreticly become the next president but conpared to someone from a higher situated family he has little or no chance.

[britishboy]

Ph benifits you say like one could leave of of them you cant even pay the bils with those.
But why are the poor poor its certenatly baceuse they are not capabe its because the sistem doesnt alow this to change, sure someone from the darkest parts of Nove Fužine can theoreticly become the next president but conpared to someone from a higher situated family he has little or no chance.

people do the bare minimum in communism and get shit, if I lived in a communist country my family would be stripped of its wealth for no good reason, that is THEFT

[tovaris]

people do the bare minimum in communism and get shit, if I lived in a communist country my family would be stripped of its wealth for no good reason, that is THEFT

People can only in communisem do their true unforced maximum where are you gettin that minimum crap.
So basicly youhate comminisem because you are wealthy? The welth youf famyly has acumulated would be simply redistributed, and not a single one person would one a pece of land or acumulated welth.

[britishboy]

People can only in communisem do their true unforced maximum where are you gettin that minimum crap.
So basicly youhate comminisem because you are wealthy? The welth youf famyly has acumulated would be simply redistributed, and not a single one person would one a pece of land or acumulated welth.

I dont want my families wealth STOLEN! and if I wanted to help the poor I would give money to a charity and why should I have to live in a dirty tiny house like the rest of communism and if you like it so much move to china, it is so rich obviously there is no poverty and britian must be sending aid out there for no reason.

[tovaris]

I dont want my families wealth STOLEN! and if I wanted to help the poor I would give money to a charity and why should I have to live in a dirty tiny house like the rest of communism and if you like it so much move to china, it is so rich obviously there is no poverty and britian must be sending aid out there for no reason.

Aid and charity dont solwe the problem they only make its efects les painful for a while.
Besides if all the welth is redistributed everione would leve confortably, and noones welth would be stolen all welth would be redistributed and so make a society without powerty.

[britishboy]

Aid and charity dont solwe the problem they only make its efects les painful for a while.
Besides if all the welth is redistributed everione would leve confortably, and noones welth would be stolen all welth would be redistributed and so make a society without powerty.

then why is China got tones of poverty? and why is britian sending aid to china despite them being richer than us

[tovaris]

then why is China got tones of poverty? and why is britian sending aid to china despite them being richer than us

Because china is NOT communist

[britishboy]

Because china is NOT communist

anyway who decides how much of my money I can have, how many bedrooms am I allowed? how many cars? how many staff? and how dare anyone think they know what other people need

[tovaris]

anyway who decides how much of my money I can have, how many bedrooms am I allowed? how many cars? how many staff? and how dare anyone think they know what other people need

How many bedrooms you need is based on the nomber of family members living there, one care per household, why would a person need staf in private life? Needs of people depend on the individual bu no one needs 10 cars in one household

[britishboy]

How many bedrooms you need is based on the nomber of family members living there, one care per household, why would a person need staf in private life? Needs of people depend on the individual bu no one needs 10 cars in one household

because who likes cleaning cooking and most need a accountant etc and what about guest bedrooms and offices?

[Stronk Serb]

and what is it we steal from other nations?

Oil.

[tovaris]

because who likes cleaning cooking and most need a accountant etc and what about guest bedrooms and offices?

Most people even today cleens and cooks themselves, what do you need an acountanf for?, guests can sleep on chouches in hotels when the sistem evolves there might be a posibility to make one guest bedroom per household besides people dont have guest bedrooms today why would you need the in the future.

[britishboy]

Oil.

no ones dying because we take oi

[tovaris]

Oil.

Dont forget land money and freedom, they steel those too

no ones dying because we take oi
Oh realy?

[britishboy]

Most people even today cleens and cooks themselves, what do you need an acountanf for?, guests can sleep on chouches in hotels when the sistem evolves there might be a posibility to make one guest bedroom per household besides people dont have guest bedrooms today why would you need the in the future.

PEOPPE DONT HAVE GUEST ROOMS?! MOST PEOPLE HAVE AT LEAST 3! and no there is not enough hours in the day to clean yourself and what about careers to look after your children? I can understand people dont need drivers but how dare anyone try to stop people from enjoying money and it actually creates jobs.

[Stronk Serb]

no ones dying because we take oil


They are dying. During the invasion of Iraq many died, be it soldier or civilian and due to you taking most of oil in Iraq and installing a weak government, the country's economy is ruined, and they are hardly progressing because oil gets taken for lower prices people die in Iraq because of your greed for oil regularly, militant shootouts, car bombs, name it .Your statement is incorrect.

[tovaris]

PEOPPE DONT HAVE GUEST ROOMS?! MOST PEOPLE HAVE AT LEAST 3! and no there is not enough hours in the day to clean yourself and what about careers to look after your children? I can understand people dont need drivers but how dare anyone try to stop people from enjoying money and it actually creates jobs.

You are so rich.
No normal people dont have guest bedrooms, almost no flats are built that way and nether are houses.
Realy how can milions of people cleen cook wash look after kids every day?
Jobs are created by institutions like daycare centers and schools noone hires people to take care of theyr kids all day, besides in communisem the statebwould provide jobs and an individual would work (in the purest communisem an individual would have no money)

[britishboy]

You are so rich.
No normal people dont have guest bedrooms, almost no flats are built that way and nether are houses.
Realy how can milions of people cleen cook wash look after kids every day?
Jobs are created by institutions like daycare centers and schools noone hires people to take care of theyr kids all day, besides in communisem the statebwould provide jobs and an individual would work (in the purest communisem an individual would have no money)

there are alot richer people than me and I sure as hell am not doing hard labor, not geting paid to come home to a tiny house, no staff and 1 tiny old car, and then have to do house work and look after the young kids.

[tovaris]

there are alot richer people than me and I sure as hell am not doing hard labor, not geting paid to come home to a tiny house, no staff and 1 tiny old car, and then have to do house work and look after the young kids.

Tipical rich people answer.
Gues what i dont intend on doing hard laboe ether but if necesery i would.
If the entire world can do housework so can the rich minoraty. And if eveeione can survive without staf soc can you people.
And the car wouldent be old it would be domesticly made and you would get it into use for as long as it would work, and be safe you dont need a shiny ferary.
Everione normal no mther working or middle clas works 8 houers abday comes home where they do housework (a smal portion of the upper middle clas that isent to cheep might pay a person to iron their clotes) and look after children and play with them, in communisem everione would be selfseficiant and wouldnt even need that person to iron a little.

[britishboy]

Tipical rich people answer.
Gues what i dont intend on doing hard laboe ether but if necesery i would.
If the entire world can do housework so can the rich minoraty. And if eveeione can survive without staf soc can you people.
And the car wouldent be old it would be domesticly made and you would get it into use for as long as it would work, and be safe you dont need a shiny ferary.
Everione normal no mther working or middle clas works 8 houers abday comes home where they do housework (a smal portion of the upper middle clas that isent to cheep might pay a person to iron their clotes) and look after children and play with them, in communisem everione would be selfseficiant and wouldnt even need that person to iron a little.

typical working class answer yes its quite easy to clean your tiny houses and why cant we spend our money how ever we want how dare you tell me what I need, you have no clue about the higher class and people who support communism are poor and just want things to be given to them, things the higher classes have worked hard for and EVERYONE HAS GUEST BEDROOMS AND STAFF it dosent make you lazy.

[tovaris]

typical working class answer yes its quite easy to clean your tiny houses and why cant we spend our money how ever we want how dare you tell me what I need, you have no clue about the higher class and people who support communism are poor and just want things to be given to them, things the higher classes have worked hard for and EVERYONE HAS GUEST BEDROOMS AND STAFF it dosent make you lazy.

Because in true communisem there is no money.
I do have a clue about higher classes Ivan Zidar the multy milion euro teef is my grandmothers neighbor and they cleen their gigant house themselves.
Even rich people suport communisem.
The higher classes have inherated most things, they are just selfish.
I inherated half a house and would wilingly give it up for the good of the nation.
No one has guest bedrooms and staf maybe 2000 out of 2500000

[britishboy]

Because in true communisem there is no money.
I do have a clue about higher classes Ivan Zidar the multy milion euro teef is my grandmothers neighbor and they cleen their gigant house themselves.
Even rich people suport communisem.
The higher classes have inherated most things, they are just selfish.
I inherated half a house and would wilingly give it up for the good of the nation.
No one has guest bedrooms and staf maybe 2000 out of 2500000

I have guest bedrooms and so do all my friends so FAIL and we all have staff but the amount of staff and what they do verys
and my family has always been rich but we do still work hard so FAIL, and the rich are needed to create jobs. communism is not possible unless ruled with terror. and north korea is communist you just dont like them because they show bad communism is.

[Stronk Serb]

I have guest bedrooms and so do all my friends so FAIL and we all have staff but the amount of staff and what they do verys
and my family has always been rich but we do still work hard so FAIL, and the rich are needed to create jobs. communism is not possible unless ruled with terror. and north korea is communist you just dont like them because they show bad communism is.

You and your friends is not even 1% of the population of the UK, so Maticek is correct.

[britishboy]

You and your friends is not even 1% of the population of the UK, so Maticek is correct.

he said nobody and also how would you know? and also you are so full of hatred because we apparently bombed all your hospitals and kids that you cant see the other side, also maticek understands how things, you dont and so are terrible and debating

[tovaris]

I have guest bedrooms and so do all my friends so FAIL and we all have staff but the amount of staff and what they do verys
and my family has always been rich but we do still work hard so FAIL, and the rich are needed to create jobs. communism is not possible unless ruled with terror. and north korea is communist you just dont like them because they show bad communism is.

You and your friends are a mynoraty. And i have checked your charaty clame people who give most to charaty are those of the lower middle clas not the upper class.
You work hard exploiting people to gain capital yourselves.
No the rich are not needed thats why communisem eliminates them, because all the working people are self seficiant and dont need someone to lower theyr wages to survive.

No N Korea isnt communist because the power of ruling is in the hands of one man not the people(thats only one reson why Korea isnt communist).
Have you even read works by people like Marx, Weber, Lenin, Engels...?

P. S. : the mostly no one part was enplied since we cant count Mirko Tuš as everione.

[britishboy]

You and your friends are a mynoraty. And i have checked your charaty clame people who give most to charaty are those of the lower middle clas not the upper class.
You work hard exploiting people to gain capital yourselves.
No the rich are not needed thats why communisem eliminates them, because all the working people are self seficiant and dont need someone to lower theyr wages to survive.

No N Korea isnt communist because the power of ruling is in the hands of one man not the people(thats only one reson why Korea isnt communist).
Have you even read works by people like Marx, Weber, Lenin, Engels...?

it is just not your type of communist and the rich are needed to create jobs and invest money this is basic economics, also if everyone has money prices go up, making money valueless untill you end up like pre ww2 germany and no I haven't read there works? should i? I have to be arguing about something I dont know about.

[tovaris]

it is just not your type of communist and the rich are needed to create jobs and invest money this is basic economics, also if everyone has money prices go up, making money valueless untill you end up like pre ww2 germany and no I haven't read there works? should i? I have to be arguing about something I dont know about.

You are stil thinking to capitalisticly.
No N Korea has basicly no communistic aspects, a totalitarium regime cannot in its core not be communistic.
No if everione has the same amount of money prices stay the same, besides in modern commhnisen no one would have money.

It would be sugested to do some reading, i am curently reading some heyeks work to see a capitalists wiew of capitaliem and better understand it.

[britishboy]

You are stil thinking to capitalisticly.
No N Korea has basicly no communistic aspects, a totalitarium regime cannot in its core not be communistic.
No if everione has the same amount of money prices stay the same, besides in modern commhnisen no one would have money.

It would be sugested to do some reading, i am curently reading some heyeks work to see a capitalists wiew of capitaliem and better understand it.

if everyone has money the prices go up and although I respect you for not supporting the terrible nk, I can not agree with a system that steals and controls people

[tovaris]

if everyone has money the prices go up and although I respect you for not supporting the terrible nk, I can not agree with a system that steals and controls people

No no in capitalisen price variation is only caused because of unequal distribution of cash.
Communisem doesnt controle anyone you can do anything you desire as long asnyou dont acumulate welth.
A communist society doesnt steal becaue everione gives up theyr acumulated welth volenterly (in a perfect society where people think about whats good for humanyty) otherwhise it is democraticly redistributed (and in perfect communisem there would be no money and in tern no prices).

[BrainDamage]

Are you also trying to say N Korea is communist?
They are even farther from communism than Israel or USA

No shit, of course I'm saying they're communists what the fuck do you think I've been saying, and to say North Korea isn't communist prooves that you are the biggest moron on Earth...

[tovaris]

No shit, of course I'm saying they're communists what the fuck do you think I've been saying, and to say North Korea isn't communist prooves that you are the biggest moron on Earth...

Now now keep civilised.
As i said N Korea is NOT,Irepeat NOT communist

[britishboy]

No no in capitalisen price variation is only caused because of unequal distribution of cash.
Communisem doesnt controle anyone you can do anything you desire as long asnyou dont acumulate welth.
A communist society doesnt steal becaue everione gives up theyr acumulated welth volenterly (in a perfect society where people think about whats good for humanyty) otherwhise it is democraticly redistributed (and in perfect communisem there would be no money and in tern no prices).

ow great I can do what ever I want as long as I dont have money, tell me what can I do without money

[BrainDamage]

Karl Marx did not write:
Burn churches, build monuments to your dictator leaders, for every small doubt get publiculy executed just in case you are the enemy of the revolution.

If he wrote that, I think nobody would follow his teachings. Karl Marx's teachings summed up go like this:

Every man of the oppressed worker class or any other class and financial layer should be materially equal and equal in the eyes of the law.

Leaders in North Korea and in the Soviet Union were owning the whole state. That is not communism nor socialism. I never stated North Korea is socialist in any of my previous posts.

The revolution was inspired by Karl Marx's work, dumbass! I told you Stalin 'bent' the 'rules'... I think you either have short term memory loss or you don't have the braincapacity to put 2 and 2 together and remember what I said previously...

[tovaris]

ow great I can do what ever I want as long as I dont have money, tell me what can I do without money

Everithng because everething would bee free

[tovaris]

The revolution was inspired by Karl Marx's work, dumbass! I told you Stalin 'bent' the 'rules'... I think you either have short term memory loss or you don't have the braincapacity to put 2 and 2 together and remember what I said previously...

He didnt bend the rules he frew them out the window

[britishboy]

Everithng because everething would bee free

so if I can do everything, I can get a house double my current house, buy a few more holiday homes, employee twice as many staff and become king of mars? ow wait ive got to live in a shitty shack and do hard labor

[tovaris]

so if I can do everything, I can get a house double my current house, buy a few more holiday homes, employee twice as many staff and become king of mars? ow wait ive got to live in a shitty shack and do hard labor

You cant buy anithing or enploy anione,because you have no money.
You can work as anione you want and you are qualified for.
Why would you need a holyday home if you can go to a hotel for free, why would you need a gigant house if even a normal sized one has everething you need?

[britishboy]

You cant buy anithing or enploy anione,because you have no money.
You can work as anione you want and you are qualified for.
Why would you need a holyday home if you can go to a hotel for free, why would you need a gigant house if even a normal sized one has everething you need?

all hotels would be free yes but they would be shit because why make them nice when you get no reward for it

[Stronk Serb]

The revolution was inspired by Karl Marx's work, dumbass! I told you Stalin 'bent' the 'rules'... I think you either have short term memory loss or you don't have the braincapacity to put 2 and 2 together and remember what I said previously...

Listen, dumbass. I told you first that Stalin ruined the whole concept of communism.

[Harry Smith]

No i did no such thing i knew that the noun prašič(=pig) is of the male gender so i used he.
Women are even beter exploiters and tirans just loock at m thacher.

she was democratically elected unlike many communism leaders, she had a faults but she wasn't a tyrant.

P.S you need to learn to spell

[tovaris]

all hotels would be free yes but they would be shit because why make them nice when you get no reward for it

your revad is a job whel done and the fact you did something good for humanety,
why do you think only the prospect of welth or the need to survive on a mimimum wage can be a reward?
Whi couldent people simply do what they wanted and not wory how are they going to pay the bills, feed their family?
In moniles communism everithing would be free and aou wouldent need to wory about those things, everione could enjoy life and not wory about bare survival of a minimum wage.

[tovaris]

she was democratically elected unlike many communism leaders, she had a faults but she wasn't a tyrant.

P.S you need to learn to spell

If you find any spelling mistakes in my posts please report them to me immediately
so that I can correct them.

[britishboy]

your revad is a job whel done and the fact you did something good for humanety,
why do you think only the prospect of welth or the need to survive on a mimimum wage can be a reward?
Whi couldent people simply do what they wanted and not wory how are they going to pay the bills, feed their family?
In moniles communism everithing would be free and aou wouldent need to wory about those things, everione could enjoy life and not wory about bare survival of a minimum wage.

I still enjoy my life how it is but I understand and respect your views:)

[tovaris]

I still enjoy my life how it is but I understand and respect your views:)

good now you are half way there, you are begining to see the light, now we only need to convince you to become a communist

[Harry Smith]

good now you are half way there, you are begining to see the light, now we only need to convince you to become a communist

haha so you don't agree with the one nation theory

[tovaris]

haha so you don't agree with the one nation theory

¿what? ¿What are you talking about???

[Harry Smith]

¿what? ¿What are you talking about???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_in_one_country

[tovaris]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_in_one_country

¡I never liked Stalind and have alvais faught that communisem should be astablished globaly!

[Stephan]

Thoughts..

Animal Farm

America's healthcare system is corrupt, and is one the only developed nation's that don't offer social health system that could make America benefit its people far more instead making healthcare companies even richer than they are already are.

[tovaris]

Listen, dumbass. I told you first that Stalin ruined the whole concept of communism.

Dont get too frustrated comrade they are just poisoned with western propaganda and thats why they keep writing nonsense.

[Daracon]

she was democratically elected unlike many communism leaders, she had a faults but she wasn't a tyrant.

P.S you need to learn to spell


Have you considered that English is not his first language?

[Harry Smith]

Have you considered that English is not his first language?

Have you ever considering that maybe one shouldn't make grand sweeping statements about the west and our governments without any evidence

[Harry Smith]

Dont get too frustrated comrade they are just poisoned with western propaganda and thats why they keep writing nonsense.

I find this ironic, it's an Forum made up by Americans and Brits mainly, who talk English, the forum is in English and Ran in the US. Maybe if your annoyed by western propaganda you should go to a forum more suited to your needs