communism

[CommunistMetalhead]

But by electing local delegates your already straying from the path of communism.
It would take a delegate to gather a few supporters and then he could reamain in power and do what he wants, its a slippery slope from there to a dictatorship.

How exactly would the armed forces work?

But the delegates would change often and they are recallable. Therefore power is limited. I personally feel everyone should be trained for the armed forces like in Switzerland or Israel. Remember that communists have different opinions on different things. In the end its for the public to decide this stuff.

[Danny_boi 16]

A agresive revolt is not realy necesary.
Your writing might be good and the flow of your thaught seems to be clear. Jet you don't seem to be seing the the essence of communism, that has never been in a totalitarium regime, or a no chice society it is about people being able to create their lives regardler of the demands of the "free market". Also you must realize that the shepperd party concept is out of date and modern communists realize that a slow democratic aproche to raising this social sistem to the ground and building a new one. Change is desperatly needed because what we have and are witnesing today is simply so wrong and perverted I can't see how can people alowe themselves to live in such a njust society.

In Mao's own book. He expressed that communism can only be achieved my revolution, the same answer can be found in the Manifesto. Communism cannot work in this modern age, socialism is less hard to implement.

"Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." - Mao Zedong

" Politics is War..."- Mao Zedong

[CommunistMetalhead]

In Mao's own book. He expressed that communism can only be achieved my revolution, the same answer can be found in the Manifesto. Communism cannot work in this modern age, socialism is less hard to implement.

"Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." - Mao Zedong

" Politics is War..."- Mao Zedong

Your an idiot. First off Mao was not a real communist. Socialism is merelt the lower stage of communism. Communism would be easier to implement now than ever as high amounts of technology help it.

[tovaris]

In Mao's own book. He expressed that communism can only be achieved my revolution, the same answer can be found in the Manifesto. Communism cannot work in this modern age, socialism is less hard to implement.

"Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." - Mao Zedong

" Politics is War..."- Mao Zedong

Mao was an idiot and not a communist.
Marx lived in times very diferent from ours and wasnt part of a advanced democracy, quite a chunk of his ideas was ether origilani misconsepted or became obsolit frew history, when new problems arose, that is why today noone folows marx to the t.

Socialism is merly the intermediat stage betveen communism and capitalism.

Oh really? Tell me all the times you saw people speaking their minds in Russia during the Cold War with the Communist government in charge.

Who is talking about Russia? The cold war wasnt about communism or capitalism... They NEVER had a communist goverment.

[Kasp]

It seems to me that TRUE communism has never been practised and in my opinion it can't be really.
North Korea may claim to be communist, but from the way the country is run it just clearly isn't.
Kim Jong Un is living a life of luxury in Pyongyang, but not far away people are dying from lack of food and shelter, which are basic human rights in most countries.
This has been the case in a lot of countries that have had communist leaders.

The principle of communism insists that all people are equal, that everyone should work for each other, and that no one deserves more than anyone else - everything belongs to the state.
But this principle is so far-fetched it's a wonder anyone thought it would work in the first place.
In my opinion socialism is fine, and aspects of it work very well. For example state owned healthcare, education and emergency services. But communism just doesn't work.

I hoped that all made sense!

[Jean Poutine]

There's only one thing to retain about communism :

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" - Karl Marx

I think it's the most beautiful sentiment anybody can come up with. Realistically, the only entity powerful enough to ensure that is the State...but human greed undercuts that, because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It has to be genuine, to come from within, and not imposed. Unfortunately, humankind isn't there yet, and may well never be.

[tovaris]

There's only one thing to retain about communism :

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" - Karl Marx

I think it's the most beautiful sentiment anybody can come up with. Realistically, the only entity powerful enough to ensure that is the State...but human greed undercuts that, because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It has to be genuine, to come from within, and not imposed. Unfortunately, humankind isn't there yet, and may well never be.

That is why we must slowly evolve the human race to be able to function in a sistem without an abolute leder where all the power is in the hands of the nation. You see because greed is learned and if one does not teach it there will be no more.


It seems to me that TRUE communism has never been practised and in my opinion it can't be really.
North Korea may claim to be communist, but from the way the country is run it just clearly isn't.
Kim Jong Un is living a life of luxury in Pyongyang, but not far away people are dying from lack of food and shelter, which are basic human rights in most countries.
This has been the case in a lot of countries that have had communist leaders.


This has nothing to do with communism but with dictatorship. A communist leder would newer alove this.



The principle of communism insists that all people are equal, that everyone should work for each other, and that no one deserves more than anyone else - everything belongs to the state.
But this principle is so far-fetched it's a wonder anyone thought it would work in the first place.
In my opinion socialism is fine, and aspects of it work very well. For example state owned healthcare, education and emergency services. But communism just doesn't work.

The principal oc fommunism IS that people are EQUAL, andthat everione shold work to their ability; that everione should get what they need and that everething belonges to the NATION!

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" - Karl Marx

Spcialisn is only the transition state...

[Jean Poutine]

That is why we must slowly evolve the human race to be able to function in a system without an absolute leader where all the power is in the hands of the nation. You see because greed is learned and if one does not teach it there will be no more.

I took the liberty to correct your spelling mistakes as per your signature.

I actually kind of agree with you. In evolutionary terms, we hung together because that was the only way we could survive. I think greed is the product of having too much, of having easy lives. We've become complacent so that the focus of the human has shifted from the community to itself as a person.

If one looks for guidance towards primitive communism hunter-gatherer societies, they share all and greed is seen as counter-productive. Here, greed is seen as a virtue, hidden under the name of ambition.

We need to teach our kids to share, to fight against what is unfair. Sometimes I think getting bombed back to the Stone Age would be a boon. We would have to learn what it is to be human again, and maybe then communism on a wider scale will happen.

[tovaris]

I took the liberty to correct your spelling mistakes as per your signature.


Thank you for that.


I actually kind of agree with you. In evolutionary terms, we hung together because that was the only way we could survive. I think greed is the product of having too much, of having easy lives. We've become complacent so that the focus of the human has shifted from the community to itself as a person.

If one looks for guidance towards primitive communism hunter-gatherer societies, they share all and greed is seen as counter-productive. Here, greed is seen as a virtue, hidden under the name of ambition.

We need to teach our kids to share, to fight against what is unfair. Sometimes I think getting bombed back to the Stone Age would be a boon. We would have to learn what it is to be human again, and maybe then communism on a wider scale will happen.

Returning us to the stone age would only be a temporary solutio :) (only for about 10 000 years).

Communism evolves that einchent human drive to work together and evolves it into a holistic world wide sistem in which noone lives in lack of something.

[Sir Suomi]

I took the liberty to correct your spelling mistakes as per your signature.
If one looks for guidance towards primitive communism hunter-gatherer societies, they share all and greed is seen as counter-productive. Here, greed is seen as a virtue, hidden under the name of ambition.

We need to teach our kids to share, to fight against what is unfair. Sometimes I think getting bombed back to the Stone Age would be a boon. We would have to learn what it is to be human again, and maybe then communism on a wider scale will happen.

Oh, boy, doesn't that sound fun? Here, let's go back to the days of hitting each other over the heads with rocks and explaining a natural event like an earthquake on an angry God. Doesn't that just sound advanced.

You see, great civilizations only existed, because of "greed". It's having that competition to thrive that made us innovate so much of our technology. It still drives the world's science and technology today. So I'll be damned if you want to put the rest of us back to the Stone age.

[Stronk Serb]

Oh, boy, doesn't that sound fun? Here, let's go back to the days of hitting each other over the heads with rocks and explaining a natural event like an earthquake on an angry God. Doesn't that just sound advanced.

You see, great civilizations only existed, because of "greed". It's having that competition to thrive that made us innovate so much of our technology. It still drives the world's science and technology today. So I'll be damned if you want to put the rest of us back to the Stone age.

The Stone Age people had innovation. Instead of using bare hands, they used sticks and rocks, later, instead of sticks and rocks they used spears and bows and arrows. Instead of eating raw meat, they cooked it using fire. When they foumd young animals, they domesticated them and used them and their offspring as food, carefully planning breeding time with the availability of food for the animals. And there still are people who believe in the existence of a god. Some are so superstitious that they blame him for everything.

[Jean Poutine]

You see, great civilizations only existed, because of "greed". It's having that competition to thrive that made us innovate so much of our technology. It still drives the world's science and technology today. So I'll be damned if you want to put the rest of us back to the Stone age.

That is not a very sophisticated way to go forward.

How about for the betterment of collective humanity instead? Progress can still occur.

[tovaris]

You see, great civilizations only existed, because of "greed". It's having that competition to thrive that made us innovate so much of our technology. It still drives the world's science and technology today. So I'll be damned if you want to put the rest of us back to the Stone age.


Hmmm... The Azteks for example an eichent civilistion that knew no curency and everione would get their share of the empires crop...
Greed is a useled biproduct o the modern society and is conpletly unneded!

[Stronk Serb]

For you who say it kills the innovation, if we were raised as a civilization on marxist principles seen in the stone age, we would be far more advanced. No precious lives and resources would be put in fighting wars, inquisitions, and general retardation of monarchies in Europe, refusal to innovate as seen by the Church.

[Danny_boi 16]

Mao was an idiot and not a communist.
Marx lived in times very diferent from ours and wasnt part of a advanced democracy, quite a chunk of his ideas was ether origilani misconsepted or became obsolit frew history, when new problems arose, that is why today noone folows marx to the t.

Socialism is merly the intermediat stage betveen communism and capitalism.



Who is talking about Russia? The cold war wasnt about communism or capitalism... They NEVER had a communist goverment.

Mao was a communist, Lenin was a communist, and Stalin was a communist.
All of these leaders called for revolution communism cannot be separated from socialism without revolution.
Marx did live in advanced democratic-republics, he lived in Germany, France, and the United Kingdom. All of which were ruled by some sort of republican form of government of Constitutional monarchy. You are correct that not a lot of people read about Marx and his message is lost in History. But I have. I have read the Communist Manifesto I have read the history of communism through the eyes of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie. The Idea of communism is a good one, but it can never be successfully implemented.

Russia, the former Soviet Union, is the center of modern communism.

Your an idiot. First off Mao was not a real communist. Socialism is merelt the lower stage of communism. Communism would be easier to implement now than ever as high amounts of technology help it.

If Mao was not a real communist then Lenin was not a real communist. I would love to see your definition of a real communist. The idea of communism works on paper, but it can be successfully implemented, especially in this modern world.

[tovaris]

Mao was a communist, Lenin was a communist, and Stalin was a communist.


Mao was an idiot! He wasnt a communist, he was a Maoist.
Lenin could be considerd a commumist revolutionary, Marxist-Lenenist to be precice of the colour.
Stalin was a DICTATOR! No communist can be a totalitarium ruler like he was. He came to power for power itself and had no mercy for anything or anyone! (I would like to se you in the claws of his machine)



All of these leaders called for revolution communism cannot be separated from socialism without revolution.



Socialism is the intermediate state of when passing from the outdated sistem into communism. What exactly is the point in this statement?




Marx did live in advanced democratic-republics, he lived in Germany, France, and the United Kingdom. All of which were ruled by some sort of republican form of government of Constitutional monarchy. You are correct that not a lot of people read about Marx and his message is lost in History. But I have. I have read the Communist Manifesto I have read the history of communism through the eyes of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie.



In the words of our president the human sized barby dall: "So what..."\ so what if you have read the communist manifesto, so have i so has my grandparents my parents and thousands of other people. I have also read Marxes Kapital. And i can onestly say that Marx was wrong in many points, and over dime points he made became les or more inportant and problems the broke old man didnt enticipate arose...



The Idea of communism is a good one, but it can never be successfully implemented.



Oh but it wil my comerad! Many people are alredy calling for it... and when the mases wanting it rech the required mass...



Russia, the former Soviet Union, is the center of modern communism.




Seriously? Hace you ever seen Putin wawing a read flag recently?
I mean this is the most redicilous thing...
Russia? Seriously?
What has Путин have to do with communism? And what Russia?



If Mao was not a real communist then Lenin was not a real communist. I would love to see your definition of a real communist. The idea of communism works on paper, but it can be successfully implemented, especially in this modern world.



Especaly in the modern world it can be implimented wery sucsesfully


Communism would be easier to implement now than ever as high amounts of technology help it.

[SawyerSauce]

What are your thoughts on communism?
Communism is great. Our limited resources are being shared to ensure equality and well-being for everyone. The bad things about it are that it's easy to abuse and turn into fascism and there is not a lot of wiggle room in the work force.

How do you see it being installed as a society system?
I can see it being the main government/economy in the world one day. I'm a Marxist :yes: That will be in the future when people are rational and more informed and intelligent. It will be a sort of Utopia.

How do you view the Marxist socialist theories?
I agree with them. I'd pick socialism over communism honestly. It has freedom yet resources are shared. It has a little more push-and-pull than communism which I think will allow for optimum general happiness in a society like today's. Communism will come eventually after that as Marx predicted. It just makes sense.

[britishboy]

What are your thoughts on communism?
Communism is great. Our limited resources are being shared to ensure equality and well-being for everyone. The bad things about it are that it's easy to abuse and turn into fascism and there is not a lot of wiggle room in the work force.

How do you see it being installed as a society system?
I can see it being the main government/economy in the world one day. I'm a Marxist :yes: That will be in the future when people are rational and more informed and intelligent. It will be a sort of Utopia.

How do you view the Marxist socialist theories?
I agree with them. I'd pick socialism over communism honestly. It has freedom yet resources are shared. It has a little more push-and-pull than communism which I think will allow for optimum general happiness in a society like today's. Communism will come eventually after that as Marx predicted. It just makes sense.

how boring, if you have money enjoy it, if your poor work for it!

[SawyerSauce]

how boring, if you have money enjoy it, if your poor work for it!

Yes, because I want to spend my whole life working minimum wage without education while you go on cruises and swim with killer dolphins. That's exactly how I want to spend my life. -_-

[britishboy]

Yes, because I want to spend my whole life working minimum wage without education while you go on cruises and swim with killer dolphins. That's exactly how I want to spend my life. -_-

state education isn't the end of the world, and try to get rich, think of Alan Sugar

[SawyerSauce]

state education isn't the end of the world, and try to get rich, think of Alan Sugar


University is $30,000 a year.
I don't want to be rich. I just want to be able to live contently and knowledgeably.

[britishboy]

University is $30,000 a year.
I don't want to be rich. I just want to be able to live contently and knowledgeably.

student load? and then whats the problem?

[SawyerSauce]

student load? and then whats the problem?

Great! Now I get to be poor, have debt, AND pay an extra thousands of dollars for school tuition.

[britishboy]

Great! Now I get to be poor, have debt, AND pay an extra thousands of dollars for school tuition.

the idea is to work yourself up, why cant you be rich?

[CommunistMetalhead]

the idea is to work yourself up, why cant you be rich?
Its a pipe dream. Of the people who try very few ever make it. Plus fuck money! Money =/= happiness.

[britishboy]

Its a pipe dream. Of the people who try very few ever make it. Plus fuck money! Money =/= happiness.

enjoy being poor then!

[Stronk Serb]

University is $30,000 a year.
I don't want to be rich. I just want to be able to live contently and knowledgeably.

In the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, people had special exams for university. If you pass, you get to study for free, and the prices were very affordable for those who fail the exam.

student load? and then whats the problem?

So, I will be indebted for 120,000 $. With the wages I have, I will have to pay it all off for 40-50 years, plus the loans for my house... I will be indebted for the rest of my life.

Its a pipe dream. Of the people who try very few ever make it. Plus fuck money! Money =/= happiness.

I agree. Also, rich people don't want competition so they will do their best to neutralize it.

enjoy being poor then!

I won't. The army will take care of me.

[britishboy]

So, I will be indebted for 120,000 $. With the wages I have, I will have to pay it all off for 40-50 years, plus the loans for my house... I will be indebted for the rest of my life.

university will give you a good middle class job and wages

I won't. The army will take care of me.
what do you mean? are you joining the Serbian army?

[tovaris]

university will give you a good middle class job and wages

what do you mean? are you joining the Serbian army?

Do you have any idea how high wages are? The averege wage in Slovenia is les than 1000 euro, in Serbia even les. And the costs keep going up...

[Stronk Serb]

university will give you a good middle class job and wages

Instead of letting in people with the deepest pocket, they should let people with the biggest intellect. Universities here have a budget for a few hundred students. Those who pass the initial tests are accepted and study for free, except the exam fees which are very small.

what do you mean? are you joining the Serbian army?

Yes. I will apply at the Military Academy, junior officer course.

[Capto]

student load? and then whats the problem?

Student loans, are, FYI, a massive and unnecessary headache.

[Harry Smith]

university will give you a good middle class job and wages



Loool, I love that you think that university gives you a job straight away- you have a lot to learn about the world mate. I also love that you think it ensures a middle class job. You can't buy social status in Britain mate Most university graduates would work for a salary not a wage as well- wage is done hourly, salary is done monthly.

University doesn't ensure employment- their simply aren't enough jobs. Their are millions of students with degrees from Russel Group universities who don't have a job

[britishboy]

Loool, I love that you think that university gives you a job straight away- you have a lot to learn about the world mate. I also love that you think it ensures a middle class job. You can't buy social status in Britain mate Most university graduates would work for a salary not a wage as well- wage is done hourly, salary is done monthly.

University doesn't ensure employment- their simply aren't enough jobs. Their are millions of students with degrees from Russel Group universities who don't have a job

very true, its an investment in yourself and if your poor you should be careful!

[tovaris]

very true, its an investment in yourself and if your poor you should be careful!

Why should positive or negative education predispositions be determaned by tha hous or class of birth?

[Stronk Serb]

Why should positive or negative education predispositions be determaned by tha hous or class of birth?

Because capitalism says so. You have imbeciles studying on Harvard because they have rich parents, and on the other hand you have people who can't afford to study but show great capacity and learning skills.

[Yolo98]

Anyways the people in a democratic society would never vote for a communist party, they have been educated to a sufficient level.

[CommunistMetalhead]

Anyways the people in a democratic society would never vote for a communist party, they have been educated to a sufficient level.

What you call democratic is not democracy at all.

[Yolo98]

What you call democratic is not democracy at all.

Much more democratic than Vietnam china Venezuela Cuba and North Korea

[britishboy]

Much more democratic than Vietnam china Venezuela Cuba and North Korea

thats true!:P

[Sugaree]

the idea is to work yourself up, why cant you be rich?

Because not everybody has a Mommy and Daddy that they can suck off of for the rest of their life. Seriously, not everyone can be rich. It's a pipe dream, as someone said earlier. Sure, the idea is nice and it might be worth it, but it also may not be worth it. The chances of someone becoming rich, which is a word that has a very broad definition, are very slim. There's a reason that only a few percent of any population is rich.

enjoy being poor then!

I'll just come out and say it: you're an egotistical rich son of a bitch that knows nothing of the real world because you'll be sucking your parents' cocks for the rest of your life while the rest of us work for our wages (if we're lucky to get work at all, according to you).

[Stronk Serb]

Anyways the people in a democratic society would never vote for a communist party, they have been educated to a sufficient level.

Much more democratic than Vietnam china Venezuela Cuba and North Korea

Obviously you are not educated enough about socialism and communism, so you call those countries communist. A regime with a good social standard, but no freedom =/= communism, a regime where a man is higher among people that must be equal =/= communism. Your societies aren't democratic. The UK is not a democracy, it is a monarchy. In the US, people who are voted for are always rich and tend to take money on the side, away from the hard working people.

[Yolo98]

Obviously you are not educated enough about socialism and communism, so you call those countries communist. A regime with a good social standard, but no freedom =/= communism, a regime where a man is higher among people that must be equal =/= communism. Your societies aren't democratic. The UK is not a democracy, it is a monarchy. In the US, people who are voted for are always rich and tend to take money on the side, away from the hard working people.

Ask anyone in the UK and the US if they would want a communist government to take over and replace the capitalist one. They wouldnt, there is no need , we have a high enough standard of living.

[tovaris]

Ask anyone in the UK and the US if they would want a communist government to take over and replace the capitalist one. They wouldnt, there is no need , we have a high enough standard of living.

Because they brain has been washed shampoed rinced....repet...
You have thousands of poor and starving.

[Yolo98]

Because they brain has been washed shampoed rinced....repet...
You have thousands of poor and starving.


We don't have anyone starving... We have food banks which cater to those who cant feed themselves. Millions more are starving in the detention camps of the DPRK.

[tovaris]

We don't have anyone starving... We have food banks which cater to those who cant feed themselves. Millions more are starving in the detention camps of the DPRK.

And the mear fackt such institutions as food banks are meeded because...?
You have people living in karbod boxes, in their cars...
DPRK? What is that suposed to be

Amd there ate people in charge to wash shampo and rince the brain of the popules.

Klik (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/album.php?albumid=6195)

[Yolo98]

And the mear fackt such institutions as food banks are meeded because...?
You have people living in karbod boxes, in their cars...
DPRK? What is that suposed to be

Amd there ate people in charge to wash shampo and rince the brain of the popules.

Klik (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/album.php?albumid=6195)


No there aren't . There are left wing socialist parties but people are not stupid enough to vote for them. You simply dont get the fact that the standard of living in a capitalist society is better than in a communist one.

[Stronk Serb]

Ask anyone in the UK and the US if they would want a communist government to take over and replace the capitalist one. They wouldnt, there is no need , we have a high enough standard of living.

They don't know what communism is exactly about, years of Cold War propaganda took their toll, especially in the US.

We don't have anyone starving... We have food banks which cater to those who cant feed themselves. Millions more are starving in the detention camps of the DPRK.

Quit using the fascist countries which call themselves communist as an example. If you read Marx's books, you will see that the regime North Korea has is not communist. Communism is about equality, and in North Korea, you have the Kim-Jong family who are above the law, and you have the people who are oppressed, poor etc. And by having food banks, you admit that there are people who can't afford their food and are- starving. One meal a day is not going to work.

[tovaris]

No there aren't . There are left wing socialist parties but people are not stupid enough to vote for them. You simply dont get the fact that the standard of living in a capitalist society is better than in a communist one.

Youdidnt realy answer, you yust made a meningles statement...
(Remember the brain washing)

And the mear fackt such institutions as food banks are meeded because...?
You have people living in karbod boxes, in their cars...
DPRK? What is that suposed to be

Amd there ate people in charge to wash shampo and rince the brain of the popules.

Klik (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/album.php?albumid=6195)

No there aren't .
Yes thy are many people in usa live in upoling conditions, the milions of jobles homeles foodles...


. There are left wing socialist parties but people are not stupid enough to vote for them.

That doesnt even make nay sence.


You simply dont get the fact that the standard of living in a capitalist society is better than in a communist one.

Yust open your eies, please. And look around you. And please do ignor the propaganda and try to see frew it.

[Yolo98]

Youdidnt realy answer, you yust made a meningles statement...
(Remember the brain washing)




Yes thy are many people in usa live in upoling conditions, the milions of jobles homeles foodles...


That doesnt even make nay sence.


Yust open your eies, please. And look around you. And please do ignor the propaganda and try to see frew it.


My eyes are wide open. Just stop imagining that communist utopia in your head , it cannot be created and never will.

[tovaris]

My eyes are wide open. Just stop imagining that communist utopia in your head , it cannot be created and never will.

You realy have a proble answering the point. But sur why not throw around empty statements.

Again:

Youdidnt realy answer, you yust made a meningles statement...
(Remember the brain washing)




Yes thy are many people in usa live in upoling conditions, the milions of jobles homeles foodles...


That doesnt even make nay sence.


Yust open your eies, please. And look around you. And please do ignor the propaganda and try to see frew it.

[Harry Smith]

You realy have a proble answering the point. But sur why not throw around empty statements.

Again:

As pointed out capitalism is working fine if certain regulation are met.

Communism was invented to provide protection for workers- im Britain the number of primary and secondary workers is decreasing every day- less people work in factories, and if they do they are provided with a minimum wage, free healthcare and a house

[Tarannosaurus]

You know, there is actually a lot of corruption and secrecy in 'democracies'. No a communist society would not work unless people changed their mindset and attitude. But then again democracy isn't working in places either because the system is being abused. To be completely honest the only information I know about communism is from school, in fascist countries in world war two. People using these countries for their arguments should bear in mind that these countries were run by complete and utter lunatics and the atrocities were committed under fascist ideas, not communist. Who knows, maybe communism could spread the wealth more evenly?

[tovaris]

As pointed out capitalism is working fine if certain regulation are met.

Communism was invented to provide protection for workers- im Britain the number of primary and secondary workers is decreasing every day- less people work in factories, and if they do they are provided with a minimum wage, free healthcare and a house

The point of society advance is to decres the need for drodgery.

Capitalom clerly dpesnt function.

[Harry Smith]

The point of society advance is to decres the need for drodgery.

Capitalom clerly dpesnt function.

Oh wait let's have a look at the countries with the highest GDP per person

Qutar- Captalist
Luxemburg-Captalist
Norway-Captalist
United States-Captalist
Switzerland-Captalist

So please tell me again how capitalism doesn't work? How many Communist countries have worked again?

[tovaris]

Oh wait let's have a look at the countries with the highest GDP per person

Qutar- Captalist
Luxemburg-Captalist
Norway-Captalist
United States-Captalist
Switzerland-Captalist

So please tell me again how capitalism doesn't work? How many Communist countries have worked again?

Gdp is only the evidence how much it doesnt work for it is blod moneyfrom The PEOPLE.

[Harry Smith]

Gdp is only the evidence how much it doesnt work for it is blod moneyfrom The PEOPLE.

blod moneyfrom the people? GDP is how much money each person has

[tovaris]

blod moneyfrom the people? GDP is how much money each person has

No but how mush money is "produced"

[Stronk Serb]

No there aren't . There are left wing socialist parties but people are not stupid enough to vote for them. You simply dont get the fact that the standard of living in a capitalist society is better than in a communist one.

If there were no left-wing or middle politicians, you would:
1. Be paid less then the bare minimum, you would be a free workforce in the eyes of CEOs
2. Have no healthcare
3. Have no worker housing
4. Probably be reduced back to slavery of the ancient times like it's slowly happening

[Harry Smith]

No but how mush money is "produced"

GDP per capita is how much each person in the country has so it shows which country has the most well off citizens

If there were no left-wing or middle politicians, you would:
1. Be paid less then the bare minimum, you would be a free workforce in the eyes of CEOs
2. Have no healthcare
3. Have no worker housing
4. Probably be reduced back to slavery of the ancient times like it's slowly happening

I'll agree with this, Labour brought in the minimum wage, labour brought in NHS and it was labour who passed the 1975 Equal employment act

[tovaris]

GDP per capita is how much each person in the country has so it shows which country has the most well off citizens


On averege
If you have two milion starving and jobles and 200 that earn 80 000.... conclusion folows.

Besides how can communist country have gdp it there os no curency

[britishboy]

On averege
If you have two milion starving and jobles and 200 that earn 80 000.... conclusion folows.

Besides how can communist country have gdp it there os no curency

actually communist countries can have money, I've been looking into it, wealth and assets are shared to create equality, your no money communism is just a version, North Korea is another version

[tovaris]

actually communist
countries can have money, I've been looking into it, wealth and assets
are shared to create equality, your no money communism is just a
version, North Korea is another version

how many tines do we need to be ower this
Korea is NO versiin of communism, it is a fashist state run by a monarchy stile dictator

[britishboy]

how many tines do we need to be ower this
Korea is NO versiin of communism, it is a fashist state run by a monarchy stile dictator

NK is a far stretch but the Soviet Union was the best of communism and as good as its going to get

[Capto]

Oh wait let's have a look at the countries with the highest GDP per person

Qutar- Captalist
Luxemburg-Captalist
Norway-Captalist
United States-Captalist
Switzerland-Captalist

So please tell me again how capitalism doesn't work? How many Communist countries have worked again?

Norway operates a demi-capitalist primarily-socialist mixed economy that takes advantage of the benefits of both systems. Capitalism is still functioning, it's just becoming obsolete, or will in the near future.

Also, Titoist Yugoslavia.

NK is a far stretch but the Soviet Union was the best of communism and as good as its going to get

False!

The closest and best example of communism was Titoist Yugoslavia. This is a clear and pre-defined statement, and any one who groups together all the periods of the CCCP as a singular amalgam of a 'communist state' really doesn't know what they're talking about.

[britishboy]

Norway operates a demi-capitalist primarily-socialist mixed economy that takes advantage of the benefits of both systems. Capitalism is still functioning, it's just becoming obsolete, or will in the near future.

Also, Titoist Yugoslavia.



False!

The closest and best example of communism was Titoist Yugoslavia. This is a clear and pre-defined statement, and any one who groups together all the periods of the CCCP as a singular amalgam of a 'communist state' really doesn't know what they're talking about.

there are different types and strengths communism, just like everyother system

[tovaris]

NK is a far stretch but the Soviet Union was the best of communism and as good as its going to get

Did you learn nothing diring this descusion all the 44 pages of it? Com on read previous replies that silenved your empti arguments.

You Can NOT have communosm where one person or a smel grup of people gets all the benofits and power, thenotion atat everione has a equal say and is equal is at the core of communosm.
NK is a far stretch but the Soviet Union was the best of communism and as good as its going to get

Did you learn nothing diring this descusion all the 44 pages of it? Com on read previous replies that silenved your empti arguments.

You Can NOT have communosm where one person or a smel grup of people gets all the benofits and power, thenotion atat everione has a equal say and is equal is at the core of communosm.

[Capto]

there are different types and strengths communism, just like everyother system

Erm. But grouping together all the leaders of the USSR, and even stating that North Korea has anything to do with communism as a political sovereign state is overall incorrect and rather illogical.

[Stronk Serb]

there are different types and strengths communism, just like everyother system


Communism never advocates that a man or a group of people should be higher up. People should be equal in communism.

[britishboy]

Communism never advocates that a man or a group of people should be higher up. People should be equal in communism.

thats impossible, there must be a head of state, wether its dictatorship or democracy, who decides on war? economics?

[Capto]

thats impossible, there must be a head of state, wether its dictatorship or democracy, who decides on war? economics?

Workers' Councils.

If you continue to state that 'there must be a head of state', then you should really stop debating here.

[britishboy]

Workers' Councils.

If you continue to state that 'there must be a head of state', then you should really stop debating here.

workers councils haha actually made me laugh!

firstly why does every parliament/congress have a leader? obviously those in a monarchy are different but lets at a republic, they can never agree on anything

and who goes on the council? obviously those on a council are higher up and what about an urgent threat to national sovereignty? you cant really debate that...

[Capto]

workers councils haha actually made me laugh!

firstly why does every parliament/congress have a leader? obviously those in a monarchy are different but lets at a republic, they can never agree on anything

and who goes on the council? obviously those on a council are higher up and what about an urgent threat to national sovereignty? you cant really debate that...

They're called workers' councils for a reason.

If you can't comprehend the basis of pseudo-communist ideology, then please come back once you can.

[britishboy]

They're called workers' councils for a reason.

If you can't comprehend the basis of pseudo-communist ideology, then please come back once you can.

sorry, you cleverly avoided my points, heres them again

firstly why does every parliament/
congress have a leader? obviously
those in a monarchy are different but
lets at a republic, they can never
agree on anything
and who goes on the council?
obviously those on a council are
higher up and what about an urgent
threat to national sovereignty? you
cant really debate that...

[Capto]

sorry, you cleverly avoided my points, heres them again

firstly why does every parliament/
congress have a leader? obviously
those in a monarchy are different but
lets at a republic, they can never
agree on anything
and who goes on the council?
obviously those on a council are
higher up and what about an urgent
threat to national sovereignty? you
cant really debate that...

I can and I did. Workers' councils. Decentralized local groups.

[britishboy]

I can and I did. Workers' councils. Decentralized local groups.

so theyre more powerful than the public?

so in the event of an emergency, action will be debated?

they can disagree and hold up everything?

they dont have the skills to run a country and a econmy?

your really not selling it!

[tovaris]

thats impossible, there must be a head of state, wether its dictatorship or democracy, who decides on war? economics?

There is no war in a comminist world npre is there need for economoe.
Before and after such a conplet sistem is astablished all the power is in the hands of the PEOPLE.

workers councils haha actually made me laugh!

firstly why does every parliament/congress have a leader? obviously those in a monarchy are different but lets at a republic, they can never agree on anything

and who goes on the council? obviously those on a council are higher up and what about an urgent threat to national sovereignty? you cant really debate that...

Conpanies exisist where all workers are owners and decide equaly about everething. These conpanies are wery sucsesfull.

sorry, you cleverly avoided my points, heres them again

firstly why does every parliament/
congress have a leader? obviously
those in a monarchy are different but
lets at a republic, they can never
agree on anything
and who goes on the council?
obviously those on a council are
higher up and what about an urgent
threat to national sovereignty? you
cant really debate that...

President of the parlament and head of state decide nothing they are yust for show.
If the PEOPLE are for the best of their conty theywill make the best decisions.

so theyre more powerful than the public?

so in the event of an emergency, action will be debated?

they can disagree and hold up everything?

they dont have the skills to run a country and a econmy?

your really not selling it!

LOCAL SELFMANAGMENT!




You realy should read the past replies to your pointles empty statements.

[CommunistMetalhead]

Much more democratic than Vietnam china Venezuela Cuba and North Korea

None of those countries are socialist.

[Capto]

Ask anyone in the UK and the US if they would want a communist government to take over and replace the capitalist one. They wouldnt, there is no need , we have a high enough standard of living.

Capitalist government.

lolwut.

[britishboy]

None of those countries are socialist.

no, theyre communist

[Capto]

no, theyre communist

lolwut.

nope.avi

Also, you have to know the connection between socialism and communism.

[Stronk Serb]

no, theyre communist


They can't be communist because they have nothing to do with socialism, and by that, they cannot be communist.

[Yolo98]

lolwut.

nope.avi

Also, you have to know the connection between socialism and communism.

Give me an example of a socialist country and a communist country in your eyes.

[Capto]

Give me an example of a socialist country and a communist country in your eyes.

SFR Yugoslavia, and N/A.

[Yolo98]

SFR Yugoslavia, and N/A.

Thus Yugoslavia under Tito was the only semi successful socialist state , but that will never be replicated again. We have dozens of capitalist countries now providing a decent standard of living for the vast majority of the populous.

[Derryck]

I just hate communism period. I prefer to speak my mind without being in mortal danger.

[Capto]

I just hate communism period. I prefer to speak my mind without being in mortal danger.

What a propaganda-influenced, utterly flawed, off-topic, misconstrued, and completely illogical statement! Congratulations.

Thus Yugoslavia under Tito was the only semi successful socialist state , but that will never be replicated again. We have dozens of capitalist countries now providing a decent standard of living for the vast majority of the populous.

There's a reason Tito was the one of the greatest rulers in the 20th century.

You say dozens? That's an exaggeration. Name 24 or more, then.

[Yolo98]

1 Luxembourg
2 Qatar
3 Norway
4 Singapore
5 Brunei
6 Switzerland
7 United States
8 Kuwait
9 Australia
10 Austria
11 Netherlands
12 Canada
13 Ireland
14 United Arab Emirates
15 Sweden
16 Denmark
17 Germany
18 Belgium
19 Finland
20 Iceland
21 France
22 United Kingdom
23 Japan
24 Macau

[Capto]

Very few, if any of these at all, are 'capitalist states'. Please try again once you understand.

As a hint, any of these countries [Macau isn't one BTW] can be capitalist at some time in their existence.

[Yolo98]

Very few, if any of these at all, are 'capitalist states'. Please try again once you understand.

As a hint, any of these countries [Macau isn't one BTW] can be capitalist at some time in their existence.

What are they then ? They surely arent socialist . Even if they arent capitalist they are still miles better than any socialist or communist state.

[Capto]

What are they then ? They surely arent socialist . Even if they arent capitalist they are still miles better than any socialist or communist state.

They aren't socialist either by nature.

They are miles better than any socialist or communist state, nowadays sure. Because there's no such thing now.

[Yolo98]

They aren't socialist either by nature.

They are miles better than any socialist or communist state, nowadays sure. Because there's no such thing now.

Why is there no such thing now ? Because theres no need for one. If the proletariat wanted a socialist or communist state there would be revolution and one would be installed , but there isnt a need for one. People are quiet content in the west now.

[Capto]

Why is there no such thing now ? Because theres no need for one. If the proletariat wanted a socialist or communist state there would be revolution and one would be installed , but there isnt a need for one. People are quiet content in the west now.

There's no need for one now. That does not speak for later, however.

The west isn't the world, FYI.

[tovaris]

no, theyre communist

Siously?
Plese tell me who has the higher iq you or a potted plant? (Not an insult but a conserned question)
What have you lerned? Non of these countris are commu.ist!


They can't be communist because they have nothing to do with socialism, and by that, they cannot be communist.

Give me an example of a socialist country and a communist country in your eyes.

It would be wery helpcull if you read at ledst somd basiv commnist works. At the wery leest. Marx

I just hate communism period. I prefer to speak my mind without being in mortal danger.

Your brane has been washed yhampoed and rinced hayent it?

[Yolo98]

Siously?
Plese tell me who has the higher iq you or a potted plant? (Not an insult but a conserned question)
What have you lerned? Non of these countris are commu.ist!






It would be wery helpcull if you read at ledst somd basiv commnist works. At the wery leest. Marx

Why would i want to read that rubbish , what a waste of time. Why read up on ideologies which are never going to be implemented again.

[Harry Smith]

What are they then ? They surely arent socialist . Even if they arent capitalist they are still miles better than any socialist or communist state.

You do know that Britain is largely based on socialism right

[tovaris]

Why would i want to read that rubbish , what a waste of time. Why read up on ideologies which are never going to be implemented again.

How can you critiqe it if you dont know it? How can you be againced something you lerly know nothing about?

[Yolo98]

You do know that Britain is largely based on socialism right

If you call workers rights socialism yes.

[Harry Smith]

If you call workers rights socialism yes.

I also call the minimum wage and the NHS pretty close to socialism

[Yolo98]

I also call the minimum wage and the NHS pretty close to socialism

I have nothing against the NHS or the minimum wage , it doesnt matter if you define it or socialism or whatever, it works for the people and thats all that matters.

[Capto]

I have nothing against the NHS or the minimum wage , it doesnt matter if you define it or socialism or whatever, it works for the people and thats all that matters.

Hence, socialism.

[Stronk Serb]

I have nothing against the NHS or the minimum wage , it doesnt matter if you define it or socialism or whatever, it works for the people and thats all that matters.

You dismiss it all like it is nothing. That is socialism. In Yugoslavia, almost all the industry and banks were state property, you had a job as soon as you finished university and it was prospering because parts of the revenue those factories and banks made went to the state, and it is in the state's best interest to earn more. You did not need to put yourself in debt to get a flat, if you worked for a few years, you will get a flat from the state, and you will still have it after you retire. Healthcare was free, there was the minimum wage, and class differences were minimal.

[britishboy]

They can't be communist because they have nothing to do with socialism, and by that, they cannot be communist.

theyre officialy recognized as communist states by themselves and the international community, thats good enough for me!

[tovaris]

I have nothing against the NHS or the minimum wage , it doesnt matter if you define it or socialism or whatever, it works for the people and thats all that matters.

That's the thing about communism. It will work for The PEOPLE! It will be controlled by The PEOPLE!

theyre officialy recognized as communist states by themselves and the international community, thats good enough for me!

I ask of you, PLEAS start thinking with your own head, STOP believing empty outdated PROPAGANDA!

Why would i want to read that rubbish , what a waste of time. Why read up on ideologies which are never going to be implemented again.

How can you critique it if you don't know it? How can you be against something you really know nothing about?

1 Luxembourg
2 Qatar
3 Norway
4 Singapore
5 Brunei
6 Switzerland
7 United States
8 Kuwait
9 Australia
10 Austria
11 Netherlands
12 Canada
13 Ireland
14 United Arab Emirates
15 Sweden
16 Denmark
17 Germany
18 Belgium
19 Finland
20 Iceland
21 France
22 United Kingdom
23 Japan
24 Macau


Many of these countries are on the verge of existence. Their economies is a pile of manure. Some are even threatening with starting wars and probably will just to save their economies.


/-/they are still miles better than any socialist or communist state.


Rely? You actually believe that!? You really think that exploiting the populous is the way to go?


Why is there no such thing now ? Because theres no need for one. If the proletariat wanted a socialist or communist state there would be revolution and one would be installed , but there isnt a need for one. People are quiet content in the west now.


Of course there is a need for it! The proletariat wants a completely fare state where it doesn't matter into what family or "social class" (puj) you are born. Communism will replace capitalism just like capitalism replaced feudalism!


/-/The west isn't the world, FYI.

[Stronk Serb]

theyre officialy recognized as communist states by themselves and the international community, thats good enough for me!


So if the international community recognized Nazi Germany as a democratic republic, would that mean that they are a democratic republic?

[britishboy]

So if the international community recognized Nazi Germany as a democratic republic, would that mean that they are a democratic republic?

the international community wouldnt say that unless its true

when the people say its communist, the leaders say its communist and the international community say its communist, you can be assured its communist

[Stronk Serb]

the international community wouldnt say that unless its true

when the people say its communist, the leaders say its communist and the international community say its communist, you can be assured its communist

Nope. If you read even a little bit of Marx, you would know that North Korea for example is a despotic fascist monarchy.

[britishboy]

Nope. If you read even a little bit of Marx, you would know that North Korea for example is a despotic fascist monarchy.

Soviet Russia, Cuba and Vietnam?

[tovaris]

the international community wouldnt say that unless its true

when the people say its communist, the leaders say its communist and the international community say its communist, you can be assured its communist


Comerad have you learned nothing during this discussion?
Just because some dictator says he is a communist that CANNOT be true!


/-/ Cuba /-/


Cuba and Castro NEWER claimed to be communist.


Soviet Russia,/-/


No country called itself Soviet Russia


/-/Vietnam?


Vietnam is socialist.

[Stronk Serb]

Soviet Russia, Cuba and Vietnam?

If you mean the Soviet Union, it was a fascist state. Cuba, no. Vietnam, socialist.

[Yolo98]

[QUOTE=maticek;2476394]That's the thing about communism. It will work for The PEOPLE! It will be controlled by The PEOPLE ![QUOTE=maticek;2476394]


You clearly dont know anything about the UK , no communist policies have ever been implemented .

[tovaris]

[QUOTE=maticek;2476394]That's the thing about communism. It will work for The PEOPLE! It will be controlled by The PEOPLE ![QUOTE=maticek;2476394]


You clearly dont know anything about the UK , no communist policies have ever been implemented .

What are you talking about

[Slippers]

To me Communism represents the end of human evolution. Let me explain. Marx envisaged the instalment of Communism across the globe which would ultimately create a perfect society - a utopia. Thus humanity, while evolving and generating fresh ideas, technologies, medical equipment/supplies, trends, etc, cannot evolve past Communal society because we've reached utopia.

Of course, Communism has tended to install a dystopian way of life - exacerbating rapaciousness and encouraging division - the antithesis of what it wants to achieve. However, an ardent Communist will argue that that's because it has hasn't been afforded the opportunity to openly flourish without constraint.

To the die-hard Communist, humanity doesn't have the ability to evolve away from Communism, and thus we're like passengers always being taken towards utopia or Communal society. This is where its inherent weakness lays.

[Yolo98]

[QUOTE=Yolo98;2476601][QUOTE=maticek;2476394]That's the thing about communism. It will work for The PEOPLE! It will be controlled by The PEOPLE !

What are you talking about

I was talking about the NHS and the minimum wage , and you said it was communist. Theyre not.

[Stronk Serb]

[QUOTE=maticek;2476602][QUOTE=Yolo98;2476601]

I was talking about the NHS and the minimum wage , and you said it was communist. Theyre not.

It was first implemented by communist countries for the good of the people. It has communist roots.

[tovaris]

[QUOTE=maticek;2476602][QUOTE=Yolo98;2476601]

I was talking about the NHS and the minimum wage , and you said it was communist. Theyre not.

I never said that. Rede again.


It was first implemented by communist countries for the good of the people. It has communist roots.


Thank you...
Man one realy has to draw a picture to them.

To me Communism represents the end of human evolution. Let me explain. Marx envisaged the instalment of Communism across the globe which would ultimately create a perfect society - a utopia. Thus humanity, while evolving and generating fresh ideas, technologies, medical equipment/supplies, trends, etc, cannot evolve past Communal society because we've reached utopia.

Of course, Communism has tended to install a dystopian way of life - exacerbating rapaciousness and encouraging division - the antithesis of what it wants to achieve. However, an ardent Communist will argue that that's because it has hasn't been afforded the opportunity to openly flourish without constraint.

To the die-hard Communist, humanity doesn't have the ability to evolve away from Communism, and thus we're like passengers always being taken towards utopia or Communal society. This is where its inherent weakness lays.


Communism is only the tool to finally kick start human evolution! For humanity cannot evolve under current conditions.
When the World finally adopts communism fresh ideas will finally be able to be generated.

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=6195&pictureid=33580

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=6232&pictureid=35154

[tovaris]

......

[britishboy]

we're now posting images to futher our cause! well heres mine!

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8219/69vg.jpg (http://img692.imageshack.us/i/69vg.jpg/)
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/623/lm25.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/lm25.jpg/)
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/8408/ndk8.jpg (http://img585.imageshack.us/i/ndk8.jpg/)

[Harry Smith]

Can we stop all this bloody stupid propaganda related Communism arguments, showing a picture of a couple of men walking with red flags or some cold war Mccarthy era poster isn't going to change someone's mind is it?

[Yolo98]

Most of the commies on here are from ex eastern bloc countries. You may be calling for communism once again in your country , but it isn't needed in the west.

[tovaris]

Can we stop all this bloody stupid propaganda related Communism arguments, showing a picture of a couple of men walking with red flags or some cold war Mccarthy era poster isn't going to change someone's mind is it?

The piramid is pre cold war, while the thousands at thet particular protests were on the streets this spring

Most of the commies on here are from ex eastern bloc countries. You may be calling for communism once again in your country , but it isn't needed in the west.

Do you know what E-block was; and what countries were in it?
Check your fackts pleas.

we're now posting images to futher our cause! well heres mine!

image (http://img692.imageshack.us/i/69vg.jpg/)
image (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/lm25.jpg/)
image (http://img585.imageshack.us/i/ndk8.jpg/)

Some outdated propaganda wont help. This propaganda does seem to enbody your wrong ideas about communism, do read the past responses to your empty statements!

[Capto]

Most of the commies on here are from ex eastern bloc countries. You may be calling for communism once again in your country , but it isn't needed in the west.

Calling post-Yugoslav states 'ex eastern bloc' is rather incorrect, not to mention rude.


Also, I'm an American. But I'll guess you'll say something along the lines of 'the exception proves the rule'.

There is no communism once again when there never was.

[britishboy]

Calling post-Yugoslav states 'ex eastern bloc' is rather incorrect, not to mention rude.


Also, I'm an American. But I'll guess you'll say something along the lines of 'the exception proves the rule'.

There is no communism once again when there never was.
there has been loads of communist countries, just not your impossible version that will never exist

[Capto]

there has been loads of communist countries, just not your impossible version that will never exist

Nope.avi

Here, you're simply just wrong. There is no alternative. It's just an incorrect statement.

[britishboy]

Nope.avi

Here, you're simply just wrong. There is no alternative. It's just an incorrect statement.

really these will say differently

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3308/fr05.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/fr05.jpg/)
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/7401/yg25.jpg (http://img836.imageshack.us/i/yg25.jpg/)
these say differently, the fact is everyone agrees theyre communist (including the international community) and because a couple of teens who dont understand politics oe economics says theyre not im ment to believe them?

[Stronk Serb]

there has been loads of communist countries, just not your impossible version that will never exist

You cannot forego the basics of Marxism and call that communism or socialism. That is like saying that a orange is an apple.

really these will say differently

image (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/fr05.jpg/)
image (http://img836.imageshack.us/i/yg25.jpg/)
these say differently, the fact is everyone agrees theyre communist (including the international community) and because a couple of teens who dont understand politics oe economics says theyre not im ment to believe them?


But both the international community who deemed them communist, and those so-called communists themselves have not even took a thought to read or understand what Marx wrote.

[Capto]

really these will say differently

these say differently, the fact is everyone agrees theyre communist (including the international community) and because a couple of teens who dont understand politics oe economics says theyre not im ment to believe them?

Cool story bro. I'd request you to stop trolling, but I don't think that'd work.

[britishboy]

Cool story bro. I'd request you to stop trolling, but I don't think that'd work.

no response? not surprised!

[Harry Smith]

really these will say differently

image (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/fr05.jpg/)
image (http://img836.imageshack.us/i/yg25.jpg/)
these say differently, the fact is everyone agrees theyre communist (including the international community) and because a couple of teens who dont understand politics oe economics says theyre not im ment to believe them?

That'r ironic, if anything you've shown on ROTW that you don't understand politics or economics.

What does a picture of soldiers show? Every country has them.

The General thing we're saying is these countries claim to be communist, when in fact they have nothing in common with the ideas of Marx or Engel. There more close to facism than communism

[britishboy]

That'r ironic, if anything you've shown on ROTW that you don't understand politics or economics.

What does a picture of soldiers show? Every country has them.

The General thing we're saying is these countries claim to be communist, when in fact they have nothing in common with the ideas of Marx or Engel. There more close to facism than communism

Im soon to be studing economics thanks and I do, you think economics supports communism? because it doesn't, honestly I could list why not forever!

and you do know the communist symbol is right?

my point is is that capitalism varies, so does socialism and so does communism.

[Capto]

Im soon to be studing economics thanks and I do, you think economics supports communism? because it doesn't, honestly I could list why not forever!

and you do know the communist symbol is right?

my point is is that capitalism varies, so does socialism and so does communism.

I currently study and write on economics with respect to the applications of quantum mechanics and their subsequent essentials, as well as the history of Smithian and Keynesian economics and their effects on the sociopolitical atmosphere on the presumably western Euro-centric world.

And yes, it does support it.

There is no communist symbol. That's a Soviet symbol.

Capitalism doesn't vary. Capitalism is a single idea, with supportant governments and parties, primarily the latter, that vary.

[britishboy]

I currently study and write on economics with respect to the applications of quantum mechanics and their subsequent essentials, as well as the history of Smithian and Keynesian economics and their effects on the sociopolitical atmosphere on the presumably western Euro-centric world.

And yes, it does support it.

There is no communist symbol. That's a Soviet symbol.

Capitalism doesn't vary. Capitalism is a single idea, with supportant governments and parties, primarily the latter, that vary.

look at matric and comrade mikes avatars, thats the communist single, and yes it is at the top of the communist soviet union, with china having a similar flag

[Capto]

look at matric and comrade mikes avatars, thats the communist single, and yes it is at the top of the communist soviet union, with china having a similar flag

What's a communist single, I wonder?

And you were the one accusing me of not having a response? Nice.

[britishboy]

What's a communist single, I wonder?

And you were the one accusing me of not having a response? Nice.

god I hate auto correct

and I gave a response

[Capto]

god I hate auto correct

and I gave a response

Noting that it's a specifically primarily Soviet symbol.

[Walter Powers]

Nope.avi

Here, you're simply just wrong. There is no alternative. It's just an incorrect statement.

Talk about arrogant...

You want us to accept an idea and implementing it while acknowledging that it has never in the history in the work works, and leave the system that we are using that works very well? AND YOU WONDER WHY PEOPLE DON'T LIKE COMMUNISM?

[Capto]

Talk about arrogant...

You want us to accept an idea and implementing it while acknowledging that it has never in the history in the work works, and leave the system that we are using that works very well? AND YOU WONDER WHY PEOPLE DON'T LIKE COMMUNISM?

That's both irrelevant and not a proper response to the above comment. :what:

[Stronk Serb]

Talk about arrogant...

You want us to accept an idea and implementing it while acknowledging that it has never in the history in the work works, and leave the system that we are using that works very well? AND YOU WONDER WHY PEOPLE DON'T LIKE COMMUNISM?

Correction, it was never implemented in the right way because everyone wants power. What Capto suggested previously is that tleverything is ran by workers' councils. Another correction, workers across the globe dislike communism because their brains were washed, rhinced and bleached with Cold War prooaganda. Communism =/= USSR. Nobody would want to live in the USSR, especially under Stalin.

[Vlerchan]

I literally only signed up to this board to respond in this thread ...

I think the point of not accepting an idea because it has failed previously is a pretty bad standpoint to take. Democracy failed multiple times originally - Ancient Greece being a prominent example here - but had we just given up then we'd still, for the most part, be living under Monarchy's. This isn't to say I think it's possible for Communism to ever be implemented completely how Marx (and co.) intended. It is, in my eyes, a completely utopian ideology; one that could only ever be implemented by the perfect, altruistic individual. I know that Communism, would it ever be implemented correctly, would involve a horizontal (or so) network of volunteer workers councils making all the decisions but I don't think it'd ever be possible to get to this stage. Before wealth (or the means of production) can be redistributed one person (or entity) would be in complete control of the redistribution (unless you believe that a fully anarchic society would be capable; I personally don't) and, has been already admitted above, everyone wants power. I can't see this one person (or entity) ever wanting to voluntarily relinquish such power. In short: I like the idea but doubt its practicality.

Also, Marxist-Leninism isn't true Communism in my eyes either. Regardless of how much lower its death toll was than Russia under Stalinism it still was a brutally-repressive autocratic regime that employed the use of terror as a state policy.

Note: I'm a Social Democrat.

[tovaris]

there has been loads of communist countries, just not your impossible version that will never exist

Do you never read the replies to your posts?
You still show to not understand what a communist country would look like and function.

[britishboy]

Do you never read the replies to your posts?
You still show to not understand what a communist country would look like and function.

no, thats your version of communism

anyway lets move on
1) the economy will fail
2) no freedom
3) baised of theft

[tovaris]

really these will say differently

image (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/fr05.jpg/)
image (http://img836.imageshack.us/i/yg25.jpg/)

these say differently, the fact is everyone agrees theyre communist (including the international community) and because a couple of teens who dont understand politics oe economics says theyre not im ment to believe them?



A military dictatorship has NOTHING to do with communism!
Apparently not everyone; only the people who don't know what communism is!

That'r ironic, if anything you've shown on ROTW that you don't understand politics or economics.

What does a picture of soldiers show? Every country has them.

The General thing we're saying is these countries claim to be communist, when in fact they have nothing in common with the ideas of Marx or Engel. There more close to facism than communism

Wel put comerad.


no, thats your version of communism


incoreckt. that is the version of communism.


1) the economy will fail


There will be no economie. (as you have been told)


2) no freedom


Communism is based on freedom. (as you have been told)


3) baised of theft


There is no need for theft when yo have everething you need, in communism. (as you have been told)


Im soon to be studing economics thanks and I do, you think economics supports communism? because it doesn't, honestly I could list why not forever!


In communism there is no need for economics.


my point is is that capitalism varies, so does socialism and so does communism.

Yes but it doesn't varies between fascism and totalitarianism!

look at matric and comrade mikes avatars, thats the communist single, and yes it is at the top of the communist soviet union, with china having a similar flag

So?
If I put the union jack in my flag does it mean I'm British?

Talk about arrogant...

You want us to accept an idea and implementing it while acknowledging that it has never in the history in the work works, and leave the system that we are using that works very well? AND YOU WONDER WHY PEOPLE DON'T LIKE COMMUNISM?

What system was there before capitalism? It was feudalism. We do no linger have feudalism but capitalism, that at the time of transition has never been tried before... People DO like communism, they like it more and more... The curent sistem does NOT work!
(and just so you know a completely socialist civilizations did function in the past before it was brought down by desezes of the arriving Europeans)


Also, Marxist-Leninism isn't true Communism in my eyes either. Regardless of how much lower its death toll was than Russia under Stalinism it still was a brutally-repressive autocratic regime that employed the use of terror as a state policy.


Marx was wrong on many points, jet we must remember the basic points.
About Lenin, i personaly do not believe in the shepperd party.


Note: I'm a Social Democrat.

Ah an aly.

[Capto]

no, thats your version of communism

anyway lets move on
1) the economy will fail
2) no freedom
3) baised of theft

lolwut.

You have little to no comprehension of what we are discussing whatsoever.

[Vlerchan]

I wouldn't exactly say ally. I'm not for the immediate abolition of Capitalism, but rather increased government regulation, (steep) progressive taxation, the welfare state (and all that entails), and strong government intervention in the economy during recession (Edited: 'When needed' being horrible wording). I don't think a quick and sudden transition to Communism would ever work, really.

@BritishBoy

1) There is no wealth to be earned and as an extension to that no economy. A Communist nation would be self-sufficient; there'd be no need for trade.
2) Ones economic freedom is a fair trade for equality. Or at least that's what Communists believe.
3) If you are calling taxation theft then your argument is entirely baseless. And even then there would be no taxation in a Communist nation as again there is no wealth to be taxed. Before you ask "how we are supposed to live with wealth" I'll answer that everything is already provided - housing, medical care, education, food, clothing, everything. Anyway, regardless of whatever you actually meant, how can you steal something that is public property? Under Communism everything is shared. People would still have respect for personal property but nothing would ever be privately owned.

But, yeah, lolwut.

[CommunistMetalhead]

I log on and read whats been said since i last posted. LOL

[Stronk Serb]

For you who say that the symbols me and maticek are using, those are not communist, those are Soviet symbols. I use mine because it because a similar symbol could be applied to communism. Workers and peasants united and equal, no landlords, no aristocracy to eat for us, no military to shoot us, no figureheads to fool us and no monarchs or richmen to rule us.

[StoppingTime]

This thread has been going on for far, far too long. All I've seen recently are attacks on other people and just general bickering that somehow might relate to the OP of this post. I think we're about done here. :locked: