communism

[Harry Smith]

If you have a good argument againced communism lets hear it.n
Lenin was a marxist
Stalin was NOT communist he was a dictator


Only a capitalist blinded by present enviorment could think something like that.

Yay for flash words, you've got more rhetoric than North Korea.

1) It's untested in it's truest form
2) It's 150 years out of date
3) It's not going to happen

[tovaris]

This is totally in theory though; in practice, Communism has done nothing but destroy millions of lives and ruin economies in its wake.

Shov me an example of bad communist practice...

[Sugaree]

If you have a good argument againced communism lets hear it.n
Lenin was a marxist
Stalin was NOT communist he was a dictator

In theory, communism proposes a society that factors out greed, anger, intolerance, among other things. However, in practice, that didn't work. Communist China denied basic human rights to certain groups of people, the USSR was a beast that couldn't sustain itself (thus collapsing under its own weight), North Korea is full of starving people (the same people that their leadership claim to represent in full), Cuba was a war-hungry nation that sought to fight with the United States and used Communism as their go-to political view, Vietnam was so fucked under Communism that it turned on itself.

Now, tell me again, how does Communism work in practice? You want me to provide examples of how Communism doesn't work and I've just given you a run down of countries that have suffered because of Communism. Now I want you to show me how Communism works, and don't give me how it works in theory, I want to see actual practices by these Communist societies that actually benefits the society as a whole and doesn't either alienate a group, deny them basic civil liberties, or holds them back economically.

[tovaris]

Yay for flash words, you've got more rhetoric than North Korea.

1) It's untested in it's truest form
2) It's 150 years out of date
3) It's not going to happen

What flash words?

1 lets test it.
2 you are thinking about marxism not communism
3 it is

[Sugaree]

What flash words?

1 lets test it.

It HAS been tested you moron.

[Harry Smith]

What flash words?

1 lets test it.
2 you are thinking about marxism not communism
3 it is

1) I enjoy wealth
2) Marxism is a branch of communism
3) No, they got less than 0.12% of the vote in the UK. They've never had a seat in parliament, the businesses would never allow it

Your delusional

[tovaris]

In theory, communism proposes a society that factors out greed, anger, intolerance, among other things. However, in practice, that didn't work. Communist China denied basic human rights to certain groups of people, the USSR was a beast that couldn't sustain itself (thus collapsing under its own weight), North Korea is full of starving people (the same people that their leadership claim to represent in full), Cuba was a war-hungry nation that sought to fight with the United States and used Communism as their go-to political view, Vietnam was so fucked under Communism that it turned on itself.

Now, tell me again, how does Communism work in practice? You want me to provide examples of how Communism doesn't work and I've just given you a run down of countries that have suffered because of Communism. Now I want you to show me how Communism works, and don't give me how it works in theory, I want to see actual practices by these Communist societies that actually benefits the society as a whole and doesn't either alienate a group, deny them basic civil liberties, or holds them back economically.

PRC (china) NOT communost
CCCP (USSR) NOT communist, especaly under Stalin
N Korea NOT communiat they have a dictator
Cuba NOT communist, they are socialist and they never wanted war, the us did (pigbay)

Lets start practicing it and well see.

It HAS been tested you moron.

NEWER

ok who will create the best cars?... for free, who will design and build the biggest sky scraper... for free... the threat of losing your job and money makes you work hard, with out this people will be lazy

People, Homo Sapies Sapiens, ljudje, људи, ...

how will communism fix britians justice system, which by the way is one of the best in the world?

No rich people. Mor just world.

[tovaris]

O sranje
Duble post

[Stronk Serb]

I think that socialism/communism worked well in Yugoslavia while we had competent leaders. After a few generations it fell apart due to greed and corruption. Communism is not for humanity in it's current selfish, greedy state. We either have to be brought to the werge of extinction where we would literally depend on eachother or a miracle to happen.

[RazorEdge]

Government oppression is wrong.

[Stronk Serb]

PRC (china) NOT communost
CCCP (USSR) NOT communist, especaly under Stalin
N Korea NOT communiat they have a dictator
Cuba NOT communist, they are socialist and they never wanted war, the us did (pigbay)

Lets start practicing it and well see.



NEWER



People, Homo Sapies Sapiens, ljudje, људи, ...



No rich people. Mor just world.

When the revolution will be made, the first generation, the one which fought, will do good. The second will continue doing what their fathers fought for, but after the first two, each new generation will bring more problems. That became evident when Milosevic came in power. Before '88, we were still developing, but we reached our climax in '88 and rapidly fell apart to nationalism. A Serbian joke:

Tito je bio bravar, otvorio nas je ka celom svetu
Tito was a locksmith, he opened us to the whole world

Milošević je bio bankar, pa smo bankrotirali
Milosevic was a bank administrator, but we went bankrupt

Tadić je bio psiholog pa smo poludeli
Tadic (the president in the last term) was a psychologist, but we went nuts

Nikolić je grobar, sada smo... (ga najebali)
Nikolic (current president) is a grave digger, now we're... (fucked)

[tovaris]

Government oppression is wrong.

Who said anything about goverment opresion?

[RazorEdge]

Who said anything about goverment opresion?

A government that forces someone to do anything unless it's common law such as murder, rape, assault, etc. Is morally wrong I believe. (Minarchist/Voluntaryist)

[tovaris]

A government that forces someone to do anything unless it's common law such as murder, rape, assault, etc. Is morally wrong I believe. (Minarchist/Voluntaryist)

That has nothing to do with communism.

[RazorEdge]

That has nothing to do with communism.

Define to me how communism would deal with the citizens with all of the money in big corporations?

[tovaris]

Define to me how communism would deal with the citizens with all of the money in big corporations?

All conpanies are nationalised and monie is redistributed at first than avatuly there would be no money.

[RazorEdge]

That is oppression. (Just so you know I'm a die-hard capitalist and we aren't gonna agree on a single thing, haha.)

[Miserabilia]

What are your thaughts on communism? Has pros and some cons.

How do you see it being instaled as a society sistem? Not sure what you mean, but I think it works pretty well in a society.

How do you view the marxist socialist theories? Kind of aggree with it

[tovaris]

That is oppression. (Just so you know I'm a die-hard capitalist and we aren't gonna agree on a single thing, haha.)

What part of that is opresion. Capitalism is opreison, (http://goo.gl/DYs8o) communism is freedom. (http://goo.gl/cIlzc)

[Harry Smith]

What part of that is opresion. Capitalism is opreison, (http://goo.gl/DYs8o) communism is freedom. (http://goo.gl/cIlzc)

lol stealing someone's money is oppression, you're forcing the rich to give something which is there's away through force

[Miserabilia]

lol stealing someone's money is oppression, you're forcing the rich to give something which is there's away through force

yes but with capatilism you are keeping the money away from the poor so why not spread it out evenly

[tovaris]

lol stealing someone's money is oppression, you're forcing the rich to give something which is there's away through force

It is not stealjng shnce it ia not againced the law, And also they would give it up volenterly since aventuly there will be mo money having extansive amounts has no point.

[Miserabilia]

It is not stealjng shnce it ia not againced the law, And also they would give it up volenterly since aventuly there will be mo money having extansive amounts has no point.

exactly. if someone takes away that extra 5 milion rich people keep on their bank accound just so they can buy a few extra houses, its not really stealing to me

[Harry Smith]

yes but with capatilism you are keeping the money away from the poor so why not spread it out evenly

Because that will lead to the collapse of Industries and staggering inflation


It is not stealjng shnce it ia not againced the law, And also they would give it up volenterly since aventuly there will be mo money having extansive amounts has no point.

No they wouldn't, if you tried to empty my bank account you would get an air pistol pointing at you and a strongly worded letter of complaint

exactly. if someone takes away that extra 5 milion rich people keep on their bank accound just so they can buy a few extra houses, its not really stealing to me

Yes, it's taking away the money that they have produced legally

[Miserabilia]

Yes, it's taking away the money that they have produced legally

and because of that other people have less money, im sorry but that seems slightly unfair to me
:what:

[Harry Smith]

and because of that other people have less money, im sorry but that seems slightly unfair to me
:what:

What you say life is unfair?

Surely isn't it unfair if someone say for example my Uncle who just sold his Business that he has built up by himself for the last 30 years to then have his money taken away so that someone who sits at home all day watching TV can have some more money to buy chips

[tovaris]

Because that will lead to the collapse of Industries and staggering inflation




No they wouldn't, if you tried to empty my bank account you would get an air pistol pointing at you and a strongly worded letter of complaint



Yes, it's taking away the money that they have produced legally

1 you obviously have no idea hov no curency sconomie functions. There would be no inflation since there would aventuly be no money.

2 a human being who is not stupid and selfish would wilingly give up their aseds.

3 in a communist world capitalism is elegal, And so is keeping uselep piles of extra money

What you say life is unfair?

Surely isn't it unfair if someone say for example my Uncle who just sold his Business that he has built up by himself for the last 30 years to then have his money taken away so that someone who sits at home all day watching TV can have some more money to buy chips

In communism everione who can work will work.

[Miserabilia]

What you say life is unfair?

Surely isn't it unfair if someone say for example my Uncle who just sold his Business that he has built up by himself for the last 30 years to then have his money taken away so that someone who sits at home all day watching TV can have some more money to buy chips

So all rich people work very hard and use their money just for nescecairy things, and all poor people just watch TV and eat chips all day? Are you kidding me?

[Harry Smith]

So all rich people work very hard and use their money just for nescecairy things, and all poor people just watch TV and eat chips all day? Are you kidding me?

Nope. I was giving you a localized example, please learn to read...

If you paid attention I've always advocated Socialism, I believe in the welfare state and ensuring that people with low income are given support through benefits but I don't think that taking away richs people's assets is fair or the answer.

What right do you have to kill all big business? If you take away companies wealth then the company goes bankrupt, all the employees need to find a new job.

[tovaris]

Nope. I was giving you a localized example, please learn to read...

If you paid attention I've always advocated Socialism, I believe in the welfare state and ensuring that people with low income are given support through benefits but I don't think that taking away richs people's assets is fair or the answer.

What right do you have to kill all big business? If you take away companies wealth then the company goes bankrupt, all the employees need to find a new job.

You dont take away their aseds you redesteibute them.
No buisnis dies it is nationalised.
You also dont take away the rich you neutrolise them so there are no mor rich or poor left.

[Miserabilia]

so that someone who sits at home all day watching TV can have some more money to buy chips
you didn't say that as an example ...
And I don't want to "kill all big buisness" I just wish for money to be spread in a slightly fair way, instead of some people who do not have to work hard for it having milions without even using it

[Harry Smith]

1 you obviously have no idea hov no curency sconomie functions. There would be no inflation since there would aventuly be no money.

2 a human being who is not stupid and selfish would wilingly give up their aseds.

3 in a communist world capitalism is elegal, And so is keeping uselep piles of extra money



In communism everione who can work will work.

1)What if I don't want to work?


You dont take away their aseds you redesteibute them.
No buisnis dies it is nationalised.
You also dont take away the rich you neutrolise them so there are no mor rich or poor left.

So I assume by that you mean killing them? Nationalist on requires large amounts of money to buy up the business


you didn't say that as an example ...
And I don't want to "kill all big buisness" I just wish for money to be spread in a slightly fair way, instead of some people who do not have to work hard for it having milions without even using it

Yes it was an example, person living next door lives in a council owned house, they don't pay rent, they have a stolen sign from the motorway in back garden and they don't have a job. Where as the evil capitalist machine employs my dad and pays him money to work.

[Miserabilia]

1)


Yes it was an example, person living next door lives in a council owned house, they don't pay rent, they have a stolen sign from the motorway in back garden and they don't have a job. Where as the evil capitalist machine employs my dad and pays him money to work.

Don't use that as an example just because you have crappy neighbours.
IMO an example should be something common, and not something you just happen to know about.

And its okay that your dad pays and works, I just think there should be something between capitalism and communism, where everyone can just work and make money, with whatever they do, and the people paying them just choose how much they urn, but there should be a limit.

It just that i am so sick and tired of horrid ultra rich people that made lots of money doing basicly nothing (like family money etc.) and then don't do anything with their money besides having it.
Even if people earned it, they should still spread the money they don't really use/need out to other people.
They can still be rich, but not rich enough to own 5 houses 72938743 cars and 236 hd television screens, just because they can afford it.

[britishboy]

Don't use that as an example just because you have crappy neighbours.
IMO an example should be something common, and not something you just happen to know about.

And its okay that your dad pays and works, I just think there should be something between capitalism and communism, where everyone can just work and make money, with whatever they do, and the people paying them just choose how much they urn, but there should be a limit.

It just that i am so sick and tired of horrid ultra rich people that made lots of money doing basicly nothing (like family money etc.) and then don't do anything with their money besides having it.
Even if people earned it, they should still spread the money they don't really use/need out to other people.
They can still be rich, but not rich enough to own 5 houses 72938743 cars and 236 hd television screens, just because they can afford it.

why hate other peoples success? and if you had money im sure you would enjoy it

[RazorEdge]

What part of that is opresion. Capitalism is opreison, (http://goo.gl/DYs8o) communism is freedom. (http://goo.gl/cIlzc)

A government preventing people from choosing their own destiny is oppression, the lack of a free market is oppression.

[britishboy]

A government preventing people from choosing their own destiny is oppression, the lack of a free market is oppression.

agreed

[Harry Smith]

Don't use that as an example just because you have crappy neighbours.
IMO an example should be something common, and not something you just happen to know about.

And its okay that your dad pays and works, I just think there should be something between capitalism and communism, where everyone can just work and make money, with whatever they do, and the people paying them just choose how much they urn, but there should be a limit.

It just that i am so sick and tired of horrid ultra rich people that made lots of money doing basicly nothing (like family money etc.) and then don't do anything with their money besides having it.
Even if people earned it, they should still spread the money they don't really use/need out to other people.
They can still be rich, but not rich enough to own 5 houses 72938743 cars and 236 hd television screens, just because they can afford it.

That's why we have taxes on the rich

[Miserabilia]

That's why we have taxes on the rich

Micheal jackson had a theme park in his backyard. he had so much money he just started investing it in random stuff like that. I don't find that stuff fair.
Thats the only part I do like about communism, its got a feeling a fairness to it, unlike capitialism.
i aggree capitilism works fine and makes lots of people happy and is pretty honest, and communism has some bad things about it too, like taking away part of peoples freedom, but I just think its so unfair

[tovaris]

A government preventing people from choosing their own destiny is oppression, the lack of a free market is oppression.

agreed

Only in a communist world can people truly be free to chose their desteny, that doesnt happen in capitalism.

1)What if I don't want to work?




So I assume by that you mean killing them? Nationalist on requires large amounts of money to buy up the business




Yes it was an example, person living next door lives in a council owned house, they don't pay rent, they have a stolen sign from the motorway in back garden and they don't have a job. Where as the evil capitalist machine employs my dad and pays him money to work.

afcors you will work, you willwork because you can and you can chose what to do, unlike capitalism.

There is nocapital punishment in communism, why would you want to kill people.
You need absolutley no money to nationalise conpanies.

In communism that person, if fizikly and mentaly capable of work would sloly be resocialised, besides after a while there will no longer be any mor people like that.

why hate other peoples success? and if you had money im sure you would enjoy it

I have money i dont spend and relastate and would gladly give it all up for redistribution, (to forfil the revolution)

[britishboy]

Micheal jackson had a theme park in his backyard. he had so much money he just started investing it in random stuff like that. I don't find that stuff fair.
Thats the only part I do like about communism, its got a feeling a fairness to it, unlike capitialism.
i aggree capitilism works fine and makes lots of people happy and is pretty honest, and communism has some bad things about it too, like taking away part of peoples freedom, but I just think its so unfair

and he paid his fair share in tax, stop hating on peoples success and in commonism, your born with no chance of succes, thats terrible

[Miserabilia]

and he paid his fair share in tax, stop hating on peoples success and in commonism, your born with no chance of succes, thats terrible

are you kidding me? I am not hating on peoples succes, I just think that if you have everything you want you could share the money thats left with the poor, jeez
Are you saying robin hood was jealous of rich peoples succes too, lol?
Or that he was just a stupid communist?:eek: don't you insult Robin Hood. guuurl, i wil find yo and kick yo but :P

[britishboy]

are you kidding me? I am not hating on peoples succes, I just think that if you have everything you want you could share the money thats left with the poor, jeez
Are you saying robin hood was jealous of rich peoples succes too, lol?
Or that he was just a stupid communist?:eek: don't you insult Robin Hood. guuurl, i wil find yo and kick yo but :P

ow soz:p yeah it would be nice for the rich to give haha:p thought you were a communist suggesting take it all away:lol:

[britishboy]

Only in a communist world can people truly be free to chose their desteny, that doesnt happen in capitalism.

so lets get this straight, in communism you steal my money, because you believe I dont need it, and give it to random people I dont know and then I will have to live my life and tell my children that no matter what you do you will never be successful

[tovaris]

and he paid his fair share in tax, stop hating on peoples success and in commonism, your born with no chance of succes, thats terrible

In capitalism you are ether born into sucses or the oposite, while in communism everione has equal chances of sucses.

so lets get this straight, in communism you steal my money, because you believe I dont need it, and give it to random people I dont know and then I will have to live my life and tell my children that no matter what you do you will never be successful

No you give your money to the nation wilingly and after a few years there is mo mor money at all. Than you can tell your ofsping that only by your actions can they earn their place in society.

[tovaris]

ne že spet

[britishboy]

In capitalism you are ether born into sucses or the oposite, while in communism everione has equal chances of sucses.



No you give your money to the nation wilingly and after a few years there is mo mor money at all. Than you can tell your ofsping that only by your actions can they earn their place in society.

first point: in communism you have no chance of success thats the point of it?

second: no poor become rich and rich become poor, money and wealth has no guarantees, ever herd of Alan Sugar?

[tovaris]

first point: in communism you have no chance of success thats the point of it?

second: no poor become rich and rich become poor, money and wealth has no guarantees, ever herd of Alan Sugar?

The point of communism is that everione starts equal and then proceed acording to their ability, jet stilstaing economicly the same.

[britishboy]

The point of communism is that everione starts equal and then proceed acording to their ability, jet stilstaing economicly the same.

but if people have the ability and brains why not let them be successful?

[tovaris]

but if people have the ability and brains why not let them be successful?

Who said anithing about not letting then sucssed? The whole point is that those with ability and brains sucssed.
Where did you get the idea about not letting people be sucssesful, only capitalism does that?

[Harry Smith]

Micheal jackson had a theme park in his backyard. he had so much money he just started investing it in random stuff like that. I don't find that stuff fair.
Thats the only part I do like about communism, its got a feeling a fairness to it, unlike capitialism.
i aggree capitilism works fine and makes lots of people happy and is pretty honest, and communism has some bad things about it too, like taking away part of peoples freedom, but I just think its so unfair

haha I agree with you there, I'd be fine with taking away his wealth. He was a fucking creep


Only in a communist world can people truly be free to chose their desteny, that doesnt happen in capitalism.
afcors you will work, you willwork because you can and you can chose what to do, unlike capitalism.

But I don't want to work, I'm not going to work for society, I'm going to sit here and watch TV.

Now what does your communism system do?

[tovaris]

haha I agree with you there, I'd be fine with taking away his wealth. He was a fucking creep




But I don't want to work, I'm not going to work for society, I'm going to sit here and watch TV.

Now what does your communism system do?

So you see redistribution of welth is needed in this society.

if you dont want to work (for your plesure) you must be encradebly stupid.
But if that is the case you would lose your TV as a firat, and than sistematis unagresive resocialisation would folow.

[Harry Smith]

So you see redistribution of welth is needed in this society.

if you dont want to work (for your plesure) you must be encradebly stupid.
But if that is the case you would lose your TV as a firat, and than sistematis unagresive resocialisation would folow.

I'm not stupid, under the article 8 of the human rights declaration I'm allowed a private life. You can't force me out of my house, I own it. You can't take my TV, that's theft.

See the problem?

[tovaris]

I'm not stupid, under the article 8 of the human rights declaration I'm allowed a private life. You can't force me out of my house, I own it. You can't take my TV, that's theft.

See the problem?

You do not own ypur house kiat to clear up that confusin. The TV you do not own is not taken but it loses its signal in tha case you would dispespect tha nation in such a way. And since you broke the law you will be subject to resocialisation, just like criminals today, hopefuly with ,or sucses. If resocialisation is unaucsesful there willbe to litle of such crucked people to criple our society and the revolution,

[Harry Smith]

You do not own ypur house kiat to clear up that confusin. The TV you do not own is not taken but it loses its signal in tha case you would dispespect tha nation in such a way. And since you broke the law you will be subject to resocialisation, just like criminals today, hopefuly with ,or sucses. If resocialisation is unaucsesful there willbe to litle of such crucked people to criple our society and the revolution,

ah the true nature, repression of the masses for your society. I haven't broken any law. Communism requires a Gestapo because your going to have masses of people resisting, your going to have the army deserting.

You have no plan for this world theory, look at this forum. You've been here for 5 months and yet no-one has converted to communism. The masses are against you

[tovaris]

ah the true nature, repression of the masses for your society. I haven't broken any law. Communism requires a Gestapo because your going to have masses of people resisting, your going to have the army deserting.

You have no plan for this world theory, look at this forum. You've been here for 5 months and yet no-one has converted to communism. The masses are against you

Why would the mases that would be building commumism rebel againced themselves?
You asume as that todays law woud stay unchanged in a newly built world...
You dont get it do you avantuly there would be les than 0,001 per cent layzis and you vould need no repreaive police to keep society together in any stage of communist society.

This theory can only be evolved by the nations of the world.

Society miat evolve to survive. And then we will se who is Homo Communistarum and who is Homo Bardus.

[Harry Smith]

Why would the mases that would be building commumism rebel againced themselves?
You asume as that todays law woud stay unchanged in a newly built world...
You dont get it do you avantuly there would be les than 0,001 per cent layzis and you vould need no repreaive police to keep society together in any stage of communist society.

Society miat evolve to survive. And then we will se who is Homo Communistarum and who is Homo Bardus.

1) So many spelling mistakes, I'm struggling to understand what your saying
2) Because the masses have never voted for communism in Britain because they don't want it
3) I would never vote communism, in fact less than 0.7 of brits did, nobody wants these policies. We're happy enough as it is

[tovaris]

1) So many spelling mistakes, I'm struggling to understand what your saying
2) Because the masses have never voted for communism in Britain because they don't want it
3) I would never vote communism, in fact less than 0.7 of brits did, nobody wants these policies. We're happy enough as it is

1 sory about that im on my phone
If you find any spelling mistakes or typographical errors in my posts please report
them to me immediately so that I can correct them.
2 whel than we need to educate the mases so that they can actuly make a choice
3 vhy does that number keep changing evey three posts?
You have a undemocratic regime that conbines state and churche, disrespeckts human rights and has a imperialistic atitude towyrds the world.. You like that? Whel whatever floats your boat.

[Harry Smith]

1 sory about that im on my phone
If you find any spelling mistakes or typographical errors in my posts please report
them to me immediately so that I can correct them.
2 whel than we need to educate the mases so that they can actuly make a choice
3 vhy does that number keep changing evey three posts?
You have a undemocratic regime that conbines state and churche, disrespeckts human rights and has a imperialistic atitude towyrds the world.. You like that? Whel whatever floats your boat.

1) I would be there all day if I reported them
2) Britain has a education system, I'm educated. I've finished my secondary education with my GCSE's. We have high literacy rates, we teach politics and History. The masses have education
3) Nope, it's always been 0.7, I just said it was less than 1% before because it was easier. So no the number hasn't changed
4)Not undemocratic... we have elections every 5 years for a parliament and ruling party
5) 1998 human rights act binds us legally to respect them, we have very high levels here.
6) Imperialist implies we have an empire which we lack

Looks like your argument is as effective the application of communism

[britishboy]

2 whel than we need to educate the mases so that they can actuly make a choice
3 vhy does that number keep changing evey three posts?
You have a undemocratic regime that conbines state and churche, disrespeckts human rights and has a imperialistic atitude towyrds the world.. You like that? Whel whatever floats your boat.

2) were educated and dont want it, 6 of the top 10 best universities are in britian so were pretty smart

3) dont know what number your refering to? we vote so were democratic, anyone can be voted in including communism and britian is one of the best countries for human rights

[tovaris]

1) I would be there all day if I reported them
2) Britain has a education system, I'm educated. I've finished my secondary education with my GCSE's. We have high literacy rates, we teach politics and History. The masses have education
3) Nope, it's always been 0.7, I just said it was less than 1% before because it was easier. So no the number hasn't changed
4)Not undemocratic... we have elections every 5 years for a parliament and ruling party
5) 1998 human rights act binds us legally to respect them, we have very high levels here.
6) Imperialist implies we have an empire which we lack

Looks like your argument is as effective the application of communism

2) were educated and dont want it, 6 of the top 10 best universities are in britian so were pretty smart

3) dont know what number your refering to? we vote so were democratic, anyone can be voted in including communism and britian is one of the best countries for human rights


2 obviosly since you do not know even what communism is, how can you tham make a choice for or againced it?

4 lets see you try to become head of state after the durent ones mandate has expired.

5 who said anithing about disrespecting himan rights?

6 canada, Ausralia, N Ireland, Falklands. Those are direcktly controled lands. Than we have the Israel your people created. The list goes on and on and you are awere of that.

[Harry Smith]

2 obviosly since you do not know even what communism is, how can you tham make a choice for or againced it?

4 lets see you try to become head of state after the durent ones mandate has expired.

5 who said anithing about disrespecting himan rights?

6 canada, Ausralia, N Ireland, Falklands. Those are direcktly controled lands. Than we have the Israel your people created. The list goes on and on and you are awere of that.

2) I know it's something your not very good at talking about, your a joke

4) Okay, I could do it legally. Stand as an MP, get cross party support and pass a bill making my self president of the Britain. It's possible

5) You did, you said that we disrespect human rights, well you spelt it wrong but I assume that's what you said

6)1931 statue of parliament allows Canada and Australia to remain under the queen with a governor and an elected head of state, they can have a vote to leave the queen and the monarchy if they want. They're legally seperate. North Ireland is British, just as much as me and Jack. That's why they fly the union flag, the people want to British hence why they don't live in ireland. Falklands voted to remain part of the UK overseas territory allowing defence support but they have a council. Israel? Sure yeah we own Israel

Your not very good at this are you

[RazorEdge]

Only in a communist world can people truly be free to chose their desteny, that doesnt happen in capitalism.



afcors you will work, you willwork because you can and you can chose what to do, unlike capitalism.

There is nocapital punishment in communism, why would you want to kill people.
You need absolutley no money to nationalise conpanies.

In communism that person, if fizikly and mentaly capable of work would sloly be resocialised, besides after a while there will no longer be any mor people like that.



I have money i dont spend and relastate and would gladly give it all up for redistribution, (to forfil the revolution)

People choose their destiny with the government telling them what to do? Makes sense. Communism is a racket and free market capitalism (NOT US CORPORATISM) is the only way to a truly free society without government oppression.

[RazorEdge]

2 obviosly since you do not know even what communism is, how can you tham make a choice for or againced it?

4 lets see you try to become head of state after the durent ones mandate has expired.

5 who said anithing about disrespecting himan rights?

6 canada, Ausralia, N Ireland, Falklands. Those are direcktly controled lands. Than we have the Israel your people created. The list goes on and on and you are awere of that.

And HOW does free market capitalism not allow people to choose their destiny? That's literally the dumbest thing I've heard someone say about Communism vs Capitalism.

[RazorEdge]

Micheal jackson had a theme park in his backyard. he had so much money he just started investing it in random stuff like that. I don't find that stuff fair.
Thats the only part I do like about communism, its got a feeling a fairness to it, unlike capitialism.
i aggree capitilism works fine and makes lots of people happy and is pretty honest, and communism has some bad things about it too, like taking away part of peoples freedom, but I just think its so unfair

"I don't find that part fair."

Get over it. Most people are communists because they are jealous anyway.

[tovaris]

2) I know it's something your not very good at talking about, your a joke

4) Okay, I could do it legally. Stand as an MP, get cross party support and pass a bill making my self president of the Britain. It's possible

5) You did, you said that we disrespect human rights, well you spelt it wrong but I assume that's what you said

6)1931 statue of parliament allows Canada and Australia to remain under the queen with a governor and an elected head of state, they can have a vote to leave the queen and the monarchy if they want. They're legally seperate. North Ireland is British, just as much as me and Jack. That's why they fly the union flag, the people want to British hence why they don't live in ireland. Falklands voted to remain part of the UK overseas territory allowing defence support but they have a council. Israel? Sure yeah we own Israel

Your not very good at this are you

2 so you clame to inow what comminism is and jet you conpare it to staoinist USSR? Nether can you produce a single argumente againce cummunism apart from those you make up without of any base what so ever.

4 Without overfroving the old dustbal you cant do nothing. Yoj cant yust candidate on the next elections for dead of state.

5 oh yes thyt part.. Yes you disrispect them leave with the fact.

6 no mather the moutins of paper those teritories are stil wnglish enpire.

And HOW does free market capitalism not allow people to choose their destiny? That's literally the dumbest thing I've heard someone say about Communism vs Capitalism.

Someone born into a poor family in a capitalist world will alvais be poor, and someone born into a rich family will be rich (until the next trip to Portorož or New Gorica). Where is choice in that?

Most people are communists because they are jealous anyway.

Jealous of what?

People choose their destiny with the government telling them what to do? Makes sense. Communism is a racket and free market capitalism (NOT US CORPORATISM) is the only way to a truly free society without government oppression.

Why woučd the communist goverment, that willevantuly ses to exist, want to tell you what to do?

[Harry Smith]

2 so you clame to inow what comminism is and jet you conpare it to staoinist USSR? Nether can you produce a single argumente againce cummunism apart from those you make up without of any base what so ever.

4 Without overfroving the old dustbal you cant do nothing. Yoj cant yust candidate on the next elections for dead of state.

5 oh yes thyt part.. Yes you disrispect them leave with the fact.

6 no mather the moutins of paper those teritories are stil wnglish enpire.



Someone born into a poor family in a capitalist world will alvais be poor, and someone born into a rich family will be rich (until the next trip to Portorož or New Gorica). Where is choice in that?


Your last statement is wrong and you have an oxymoron in your first phrase and you have a lot of spelling mistakes in your post. I can't read it without wanting to cry.

I give up, Britain is not going to become Communist. If it does I'll get a shotgun and shot any commie bastard who tries to take my TV :P

[tovaris]

Your last statement is wrong and you have an oxymoron in your first phrase and you have a lot of spelling mistakes in your post. I can't read it without wanting to cry.

I give up, Britain is not going to become Communist. If it does I'll get a shotgun and shot any commie bastard who tries to take my TV :P

Dont care that much about the island the World is the target.
You see whyt capitalism does it turnes people into agresive junkies.

[RazorEdge]

2 so you clame to inow what comminism is and jet you conpare it to staoinist USSR? Nether can you produce a single argumente againce cummunism apart from those you make up without of any base what so ever.

4 Without overfroving the old dustbal you cant do nothing. Yoj cant yust candidate on the next elections for dead of state.

5 oh yes thyt part.. Yes you disrispect them leave with the fact.

6 no mather the moutins of paper those teritories are stil wnglish enpire.



Someone born into a poor family in a capitalist world will alvais be poor, and someone born into a rich family will be rich (until the next trip to Portorož or New Gorica). Where is choice in that?



Jealous of what?



Why woučd the communist goverment, that willevantuly ses to exist, want to tell you what to do?


1. That has no credibly what you just said, in fact lots of weatlhy and successful people grew up in poor families.

2. Jealous of wealth

3. You said it yourself, all businesses would be nationalized and no private property. That is OPPRESSION.

[Miserabilia]

"I don't find that part fair."

Get over it. Most people are communists because they are jealous anyway.

There is a diffference between being jealous of the rich and wanting to help the poor

[RazorEdge]

There is a diffference between being jealous of the rich and wanting to help the poor

You can help the poor by not stealing from the rich.

[tovaris]

1. That has no credibly what you just said, in fact lots of weatlhy and successful people grew up in poor families.


poor bil gates he was starving before he got rich


2. Jealous of wealth


Why would I be jealous of wealth?


3. You said it yourself, all businesses would be nationalized and no private property. That is OPPRESSION.

How on earth is that oppression?

You can help the poor by not stealing from the rich.

Let me guess you are rich, filthy rich...
There is no stealing going on in nationalization and redistribution. Keep in mind that charity does not solve problems it only makes them temporally bearable.

[Stronk Serb]

You can help the poor by not stealing from the rich.


How? By stealing from other poor people?

[tovaris]

How? By stealing from other poor people?

Maybe he meant something along the lines of stealing from the poor and giving it to the rich.

[Stronk Serb]

Maybe he meant something along the lines of stealing from the poor and giving it to the rich.


Superhik?

[britishboy]

Let me guess you are rich, filthy rich...
There is no stealing going on in nationalization and redistribution. Keep in mind that charity does not solve problems it only makes them temporally bearable.

firstly stop hatting the higher class, last month you couldn't stand the fact I was happy, had money and would be a success, secondly definition of theft A criminal act in which property belonging to another is taken without that person's consent. if I dont wont to give the communists my money (and I dont) they will take it by force with out my concent, this is THEFT

[Stronk Serb]

firstly stop hatting the higher class, last month you couldn't stand the fact I was happy, had money and would be a success, secondly definition of theft A criminal act in which property belonging to another is taken without that person's consent. if I dont wont to give the communists my money (and I dont) they will take it by force with out my concent, this is THEFT

Yeah you busted us, we are a thieves guild which steals for poor people's gain. Just like Robin Hood.

[britishboy]

Yeah you busted us, we are a thieves guild which steals for poor people's gain. Just like Robin Hood.

firstly, robin hood is not real, secondly robin hood was feeding the starving, this is not present in britian

[Harry Smith]

firstly, robin hood is not real, secondly robin hood was feeding the starving, this is not present in britian

Robin hood was very real, he stole from the Rich and gave it to his back pocket

[britishboy]

Robin hood was very real, he stole from the Rich and gave it to his back pocket

sounds more likely:p

[tovaris]

firstly stop hatting the higher class, last month you couldn't stand the fact I was happy, had money and would be a success, secondly definition of theft A criminal act in which property belonging to another is taken without that person's consent. if I dont wont to give the communists my money (and I dont) they will take it by force with out my concent, this is THEFT

I don't hate the higher clases. I hate wht they do, and the fackt tha are basicly useless.
You will be sucsesfull just because jou have moneey? that is simply wrong.
Its not stealing if they give something wilingly, and besides money will no longer exist (you will no longer be able to pay anything) so why keep piles of paper with a picture of the queen.

[Miserabilia]

I don't hate the higher clases. I hate wht they do, and the fackt tha are basicly useless.
You will be sucsesfull just because jou have moneey? that is simply wrong.
Its not stealing if they give something wilingly, and besides money will no longer exist (you will no longer be able to pay anything) so why keep piles of paper with a picture of the queen.

this ^

[RazorEdge]

poor bil gates he was starving before he got rich



Why would I be jealous of wealth?



How on earth is that oppression?



Let me guess you are rich, filthy rich...
There is no stealing going on in nationalization and redistribution. Keep in mind that charity does not solve problems it only makes them temporally bearable.

I actually only have $100 to my name and one of my parents are unemployed and the other only works part time, NEWS FLASH, not many people are communist! Wanna know why? It doesn't work, and it oppresses the people completely whipping out any form of free market and private property, it imposes a belief that only an extremely small amount of people have in the first place on EVERYONE which is immoral OPPRESSION.

How exactly do I wanna steal from the poor, again? Oh it's because I don't want to pretend to be Robin Hood and steal from the rich? OKAY. LOL.

[RazorEdge]

and TAXATION is theft, government is a racket just like communism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63LmIxIhNo

[Stronk Serb]

and TAXATION is theft, government is a racket just like communism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63LmIxIhNo



No, taxes are for paying the police, teachers, doctors, administration workers, and for making your country economically stable, and thus not making a shithole out of it.

[tovaris]

I actually only have $100 to my name and one of my parents are unemployed and the other only works part time, NEWS FLASH, not many people are communist! Wanna know why? It doesn't work, and it oppresses the people completely whipping out any form of free market and private property, it imposes a belief that only an extremely small amount of people have in the first place on EVERYONE which is immoral OPPRESSION.

How exactly do I wanna steal from the poor, again? Oh it's because I don't want to pretend to be Robin Hood and steal from the rich? OKAY. LOL.

Ah interesting, even mor than a thaught.
So you see how capitalism doe not work? Cant you see that? If you arent for communism come up with something else.
Communism fres the opresed nation(s)! Cannot you see that the concept of the free market is the „source of all evil”, it only makes the rich richer and the poor porer. Private property is owerrated, besides the flat you would leave in would at the given time be used only by the person ocupiing it.
Been reading Crime and punishment, or was it Nitche; now have we?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63LmIxIhNo

The printing press was not invented by Gutenberg.
No one is talkin about distribution of tehnologie here, in communism development and destribution would happen even faster so such a clame cannot be in any way an argument againced communism.

[Stronk Serb]

I actually only have $100 to my name and one of my parents are unemployed and the other only works part time, NEWS FLASH, not many people are communist! Wanna know why? It doesn't work, and it oppresses the people completely whipping out any form of free market and private property, it imposes a belief that only an extremely small amount of people have in the first place on EVERYONE which is immoral OPPRESSION.

How exactly do I wanna steal from the poor, again? Oh it's because I don't want to pretend to be Robin Hood and steal from the rich? OKAY. LOL.

That free market and belief imposing and all that are traits of Stalinism, not communism. Communism is nowhere like that. Your flat would belong to the state, and guess what? No taxes for itsince there wouod be no money, you would get in food and essentials how much you or your guardian (parent) worked for. And there will be work or everyone. Unfortunately, we are probably generations away from that kind of society which I think is good.

[RazorEdge]

First of all let me make it clear what I believe:

1. I'm Anarchist
2. I'm Capitalist
3. I'm Voluntaryist

I would prefer the poor to make themselves rich through trade and hard work rather than make the rich poor because being successful is a bad thing apparently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgUZqNHGTwA

[tovaris]

First of all let me make it clear what I believe:

1. I'm Anarchist
2. I'm Capitalist
3. I'm Voluntaryist

I would prefer the poor to make themselves rich through trade and hard work rather than make the rich poor because being successful is a bad thing apparently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgUZqNHGTwA

You religion is not inportant.
Capitalism causes so may bad things i am not even going to bother...

How can they become rich when they have nothing?
Redistribution of welth would not cause poverty it would stabilise human life standard on worldly basics at the standard of european midle class.

[Harry Smith]

You religion is not inportant.
Capitalism causes so may bad things i am not even going to bother...

How can they become rich when they have nothing?
Redistribution of welth would not cause poverty it would stabilise human life standard on worldly basics at the standard of european midle class.

In Britain there are very low levels of poverty so everybody has some level of money

[tovaris]

In Britain there are very low levels of poverty so everybody has some level of money

You see and everione being equalied economicaly would present no problem than. And everione would lieve better lives.

[Harry Smith]

You see and everione being equalied economicaly would present no problem than. And everione would lieve better lives.

Not true

Someone who is a billionaire will have there money taken away and be forced to live in a flat, I would rather live in a country estate worth millions than a council flat.

Also your wrong because my life wouldn't be better, and P.S this will never actually happen in your life time

[tovaris]

Not true

Someone who is a billionaire will have there money taken away and be forced to live in a flat, I would rather live in a country estate worth millions than a council flat.

Also your wrong because my life wouldn't be better, and P.S this will never actually happen in your life time

Cannot you understand that there would be no money, exept in museums.
Who cares about my short life time, we do this four aour childrens children and their children, for the World.

So why are you a communist? Can't you see how badly communism worked out the last time it was tried in your country? It gives people virtually no rights, and increases income inequality to the greatest extreme possible! Under communism, you wouldn't be allowed to visit this website; it'd either be censored or you'd be imprisoned or even executed for doing so.

I see comjnism as the answer.
We newee had communsm, we had socialims that worked prety whel.
Only under communism do you have all rights and full freedom.
Afcors i would communism is about freedom of speach and movement, and also agaiced capital punishment.

[tovaris]

It's only real political party was called "the League of Communists of Yugoslavia". It most certainly was a communist country.

Just because a country is run by a single party called commu ist doesnt mean the party is realy communist let alone the federative republic. Look at china for example lead ba so called „communit party” and yet not much communsm can be found in china.

[britishboy]

Just because a country is run by a single party called commu ist doesnt mean the party is realy communist let alone the federative republic. Look at china for example lead ba so called „communit party” and yet not much communsm can be found in china.

China is recognized as communist but no one says its your version of pure communism

[tovaris]

duble post

[tovaris]

China is recognized as communist but no one says its your version of pure communism

None recognizes china as communist, turn on the TV and watch the new or a documentary about it. Just because the party names itself communist it doesn't mean they are. They are doing nothing communist, not acording to any "verasion". What they have is called state capitalism.

Really? Can you give me an example of a communist state where people were free to practice any religion they wish?

Can you give me an example of a country which has installed a communist system?

Umm, yes, I'm against communism as much as I am against the Nazis, as I would be against any group who advocated taking away freedom of speech, religion and the press, insituting the most extreme form of income inequality, and willing to kill to do it. I don't know how you can think that's good: It's immoral, unethical, unfair, and vastly reduces productivity. The only people who could possibly gain from Communism are the poorest of the poorest of the poor and those who become the leaders of the new order.



You are mixing up Stalinizm and Communism, systems that are nothing alike. Communism is for freedom of speech, for freedom of movement, freedom of religion, for freedom of press. And against unnecessary violence, and against capital punishment.
Nothing unethical about that. Communist system cannot be lead by one person or a small grub it can only be lead by the nation.

You're not exactly in a position to be critiquing our fair trials.

Okay, I still don't understand the difference between Stalinism and Communism. I think you just want to seperate yourself from the living proof communism is a disaster. But whatever.

So let me ask you this, if you were to turn America into a communist state, what would you do in terms of law and policy?

In communism everione is trield farly since everione is equal, so there can be ni diferences.

Stalin=bad
Communism=good
Salin was a dictator and that fackt alone rules out even the posibility of communism whichfights againced dictators, and all kinds of burguagire. Communism vievs all people as euals so there can be no elite remember Salins close co-antyrevolutionaries, he also had most of his friends and anemies shot, while communists are againce capital punishment... There is not a single communist thing the steal man did, most of the times the exact oposite.

A lot of laws in usa would need to be changes,so that people couldnt be spied at by the goverment, gvantanamo must close...

[QUOTE=Walter Powers;2347269
"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."
-Thomas Jefferson[/QUOTE]

and si ce the state vill avantuly witter avay we dont need to wory about that

[Polansek]

This is true, but we must not forget that even the "fake" communist countries did many good things and are not the Mordor of despair and depression many people believe. Every person over 40 in my country has grown up in a "socialist" regime and most of them have something good to say about it, even those who absolutely hated it can find many things that were in fact done better such as full employment, free college education (although being a dissident would disqualify you), programs that modernized really underdeveloped areas etc.

They did good because they aplied certan communist and socialist ideas that made everething better, and if they were to cpntinue wit apliing communiat conponents to all aspects of society they would do better stil.

[tovaris]

Okay, fine. Doing charitable activity is perfectly acceptable.

but charety will not solve the problem it will only make it barable.

THANK YOU.

I am trying to tell this since my first day here: Human race is not yet mature to adopt communism.

We need to help it mature slowly, communism cant be aplied overnight.

theyre not in prison now? so its wasn't indefinite and you guys want to completly change tge world, make the united states of earth, remove money, pay us all the same, fill the world with propaganda and 'sort out' those who disagree

Not pay you at all since there would be no money.
Why propaganda when we need for people to chose for themselves.
Again there is no capital punishment in communism.

[britishboy]

would you like to tell your children that no matter what they do, theyre exactly the same as everyone eles and will never have any success in their lives

[tovaris]

would you like to tell your children that no matter what they do, theyre exactly the same as everyone eles and will never have any success in their lives

Where out of all of this do you get no sucses?
People would do what makes them happy, and wouldnt have to wory abojt their economical situation.

[britishboy]

Where out of all of this do you get no sucses?
People would do what makes them happy, and wouldnt have to wory abojt their economical situation.

because theres nothing to succeed at

[tovaris]

because theres nothing to succeed at

At your job, at what you do...

Just because North Korea is a harsh dictatorship it doesn't mean it's the 'most communist'


it means the exact oposite

[britishboy]

[QUOTE=maticek;2352916]At your job, at what you do.../QUOTE]

people will be lazy, why try for a crap wage that wont change if you work hard ir not?

[tovaris]

[QUOTE=maticek;2352916]At your job, at what you do.../QUOTE]

people will be lazy, why try for a crap wage that wont change if you work hard ir not?

N wage at all since there is no money. They wont be lazy people by their nature arent thyt lazy as most think, and as the society matures this will change.

[britishboy]

unless your good friends with god or jesus I think your gonna have a hard time changing the culture of neally 7 billion people lol

[Harry Smith]

[QUOTE=britishboy;2352921]

N wage at all since there is no money. They wont be lazy people by their nature arent thyt lazy as most think, and as the society matures this will change.

Your trying to change humanity, that won't work.

This thread has been going on for god knows how long and you really lack a concise argument

If the People of the world want this great ideal communism then how come no country has adopted it in the last 100 years?

[tovaris]

Your trying to change humanity, that won't work.

This thread has been going on for god knows how long and you really lack a concise argument

If the People of the world want this great ideal communism then how come no country has adopted it in the last 100 years?

Because peopl are ether stupid, or te society inst mature enouth.

[confusedteen33]

No communism, bottom line

[Stronk Serb]

No communism, bottom line

Not really.

[tovaris]

No communism, bottom line

Do thee have any good resons for such opinion?

But the communists and were athiest/agnostics. That's my point.

Communist a have nothung againce religion they just realise how pointles it is. And vhen have communists don anithing bad?

Do I need to put you on my ignore list? How many times do I have to tell you: Your political utopia is impossible. The current definition of communism is North Korea; that's what we learn in the schools of the developed world.

The US is more communist then North Korea? Are you crazy?

Communism does not alove a dictatorship of a monarhist fachist family. That is why i have so little faith in the n atlantic world, because they teach you propaganda.

[britishboy]

when have communists don anithing bad?

this depends on what you consider communism, real communism has dobe nothing but bad, 'pure' communism has never existed

[tovaris]

this depends on what you consider communism, real communism has dobe nothing but bad, 'pure' communism has never existed

even socialism does les bad than capitalism, and in communism there would be no more bad things, no mor suffering...

[britishboy]

even socialism does les bad than capitalism, and in communism there would be no more bad things, no mor suffering...

your living in a dream land!! how will there be no bad? wheres your evidence I can see this is just communist propaganda!!

[tovaris]

your living in a dream land!! how will there be no bad? wheres your evidence I can see this is just communist propaganda!!

What propaganda, the part of telling people the truth and letting thwm chose frely?
Go frew the facts and you will see.

I honestly don't care, here's the world factbook and in the world factbook it says they're government type is Communist state one-man dictatorship.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/kn.html

What part of the fact that communism does not exist with one man or smal grup dictatorship? Its as simple as that, get rid of tirans, kings, cars, dictators... and build communism, not get a dictator and call it commuism.

[britishboy]

What propaganda, the part of telling people the truth and letting thwm chose frely?
Go frew the facts and you will see.
.

communism is impossible to be implemented without fear and no freedom, thats the fact

[tovaris]

communism is impossible to be implemented without fear and no freedom, thats the fact

fear and k-lack of freedom would prevent communism from being, existing

[britishboy]

fear and k-lack of freedom would prevent communism from being, existing

actually its the only thing that will make people accept what they hate

[tovaris]

actually its the only thing that will make people accept what they hate

Why would somone hate it? Communism cannot by priniple function out of feer and force.



Your trying to change humanity, that won't work.

This thread has been going on for god knows how long and you really lack a concise argument

If the People of the world want this great ideal communism then how come no country has adopted it in the last 100 years?

At first no one wanted capitalism, but avantuly it came to be it amerged from the corpse of thfewdal sistem, and in such a ,anor shal communism emerge from the corpse of capitalism.

[britishboy]

Why would somone hate it? Communism cannot by priniple function out of feer and force.

a few communists will never change society and the majority of people hate everything to do with communism

[tovaris]

a few communists will never change society and the majority of people hate everything to do with communism

a few communists are here to enspire the mases to learn and evolve.
And again why would people hyte communism (ok some disagree with it i dont get it but that is their opinion, but why hate it?)?

[britishboy]

a few communists are here to enspire the mases to learn and evolve.
And again why would people hyte communism (ok some disagree with it i dont get it but that is their opinion, but why hate it?)?

because it is based on stealing and is a stupid idea that has not been thought through!

[tovaris]

because it is based on stealing and is a stupid idea that has not been thought through!

Now your arguments are just getting sily :) og I'll bite...
Not stupid at all and has been thought through a lot. Also there would be no stealing in communism since everione would get what they needed.

[britishboy]

ok how will you sort out housing? who will get my houses? whi gets the tiny flats? who gets marble floors? who gets stained carpets?

[tovaris]

ok how will you sort out housing? who will get my houses? whi gets the tiny flats? who gets marble floors? who gets stained carpets?

Everione would get the same acording to their needs. A single person over 18 with a job or universitie would get a smal flat, and a four member family would get a large flat of smal house (if more members) preferably in the suberbs.
Thats the basic idea that would be further developed later.

[britishboy]

Everione would get the same acording to their needs. A single person over 18 with a job or universitie would get a smal flat, and a four member family would get a large flat of smal house (if more members) preferably in the suberbs.
Thats the basic idea that would be further developed later.



developed later... interesting haven't worked out something so simple and who gets my houses? the high ceilings, the marble and can I keep my houses in other countries?

[Harry Smith]

Everione would get the same acording to their needs. A single person over 18 with a job or universitie would get a smal flat, and a four member family would get a large flat of smal house (if more members) preferably in the suberbs.
Thats the basic idea that would be further developed later.

Shouldn't the doctor who works 12 hours saving life's get a better flat than say someone who sweeps the street?

The doctors job has more stress involved and requires higher education.

[britishboy]

Shouldn't the doctor who works 12 hours saving life's get a better flat than say someone who sweeps the street?

The doctors job has more stress involved and requires higher education.

agreed

[tovaris]

developed later... interesting haven't worked out something so simple and who gets my houses? the high ceilings, the marble and can I keep my houses in other countries?

asads abeod are problematic
a mantion like that would me nade into a two smaler duplexs (cut it down the midle, of something, if grand enouth (like Vila Bled taken from Kradžordževič) it ,ight be used as a protocolar building for foreighn guests of a hotel, maybe simoly torn down and recicled into roads.

Shouldn't the doctor who works 12 hours saving life's get a better flat than say someone who sweeps the street?

The doctors job has more stress involved and requires higher education.

No they get the same apartment.
And both work 8 hours,
you british alvais trying to owerwork the workers (history)

[britishboy]

asads abeod are problematic
a mantion like that would me nade into a two smaler duplexs (cut it down the midle, of something, if grand enouth (like Vila Bled taken from Kradžordževič) it ,ight be used as a protocolar building for foreighn guests of a hotel, maybe simoly torn down and recicled into roads.


a grand hotel ok thats a good idea but how many do you need? and you dont demolish multimillion mansion for a road... and do you get to keep your houses in other countries (big or small)?

[Walter Powers]

asads abeod are problematic
a mantion like that would me nade into a two smaler duplexs (cut it down the midle, of something, if grand enouth (like Vila Bled taken from Kradžordževič) it ,ight be used as a protocolar building for foreighn guests of a hotel, maybe simoly torn down and recicled into roads.



No they get the same apartment.
And both work 8 hours,
you british alvais trying to owerwork the workers (history)

So why would anybody go to medical school for 8 years and become a doctor as opposed to getting an easy job? What is in it for them?

This is why communism is doomed to fail. They'res no point in working hard if you won't get a better life because of it. Humans function on greed. But greed is good. It's what makes us productive.

[Harry Smith]

asads abeod are problematic
a mantion like that would me nade into a two smaler duplexs (cut it down the midle, of something, if grand enouth (like Vila Bled taken from Kradžordževič) it ,ight be used as a protocolar building for foreighn guests of a hotel, maybe simoly torn down and recicled into roads.



No they get the same apartment.
And both work 8 hours,
you british alvais trying to owerwork the workers (history)

good luck doing anything with an 8 hour day, I don't even know why I still comment on this thread, your not going to change your distorted vision, you'll be 6ft in the soil before this idea is ever considered for government

[tovaris]

a grand hotel ok thats a good idea but how many do you need? and you dont demolish multimillion mansion for a road... and do you get to keep your houses in other countries (big or small)?

no you demolish it for a feeld you use the material for a road, foreighn aseds present a problem until the socialist world republic is created

[britishboy]

no you demolish it for a feeld you use the material for a road, foreighn aseds present a problem until the socialist world republic is created

dude one country is impossible, I can not respect you while you say that

[tovaris]

So why would anybody go to medical school for 8 years and become a doctor as opposed to getting an easy job? What is in it for them?

This is why communism is doomed to fail. They're no point in working hard if you won't get a better life because of it. Humans function on greed. But greed is good. It's what makes us productive.

They would work hard to be doctors because they wanted to be doctors.
Humans are taught to be greedy,
Why would you wont more if you have everything you need?

good luck doing anything with an 8 hour day, I don't even know why I still comment on this thread, your not going to change your distorted vision, you'll be 6ft in the soil before this idea is ever considered for government

Who cares if the socialist world republic comes to be within my lifetime, it is for the good of humanity to install communism, I personally would gain as much as anyone else.

dude one country is impossible, I can not respect you while you say that

not as impossible as you might think.

Are you familiar with the fictional author Arthur C. Clark?

[britishboy]

They would work hard to be doctors because they wanted to be doctors.
Humans are taught to be greedy,
Why would you wont more if you have everything you need?



Who cares if the socialist world republic comes to be within my lifetime, it is for the good of humanity to install communism, I personally would gain as much as anyone else.



not as impossible as you might think.

Are you familiar with the fictional author Arthur C. Clark?

actually it is we hate eachother!

[tovaris]

actually it is we hate eachother!

Who hates who? We are all Homo Sapiens Sapiens

[Abigballofdust]

No they get the same apartment.
And both work 8 hours,
you british alvais trying to owerwork the workers (history)

So, let's say I'm ugly as fuck and I can't find myself a wife to build a family.
Let's also say I'm extremely successful in whatever I do.
Am I bound to the small apartment for life because I don't need a bigger one?
Am I bound to drive a small car for life because there's no need for me to drive a bigger one?
Also, there are certain jobs that cannot be done in 8 hours. Some medical operations last above 15 hours and can only be done by one medical team. What should those people do? Let the patient be at the sound of the whistle and continue tomorrow at 7?

And people are not taught to be greedy, they are greedy by nature. As every other creature.
Ever seen a dog defending his bone even though he had enough food?

[Walter Powers]

They would work hard to be doctors because they wanted to be doctors.
Humans are taught to be greedy,
Why would you wont more if you have everything you need?



Who cares if the socialist world republic comes to be within my lifetime, it is for the good of humanity to install communism, I personally would gain as much as anyone else.



not as impossible as you might think.

Are you familiar with the fictional author Arthur C. Clark?



"Why would you want more if you have everything you need?" We'll, some of us want to have an exciting life, and not live in a world where everyone is equally poor!

[Stronk Serb]

"Why would you want more if you have everything you need?" We'll, some of us want to have an exciting life, and not live in a world where everyone is equally poor!

Actually, if all of the wealth would be redistributed, nobody would be poor.

[tovaris]

So, let's say I'm ugly as fuck and I can't find myself a wife to build a family.
Let's also say I'm extremely successful in whatever I do.
Am I bound to the small apartment for life because I don't need a bigger one?
Am I bound to drive a small car for life because there's no need for me to drive a bigger one?
Also, there are certain jobs that cannot be done in 8 hours. Some medical operations last above 15 hours and can only be done by one medical team. What should those people do? Let the patient be at the sound of the whistle and continue tomorrow at 7?

And people are not taught to be greedy, they are greedy by nature. As every other creature.
Ever seen a dog defending his bone even though he had enough food?

Why would you want to leve in a gigant house all alone?
For such casea of extended worke day we alredy have conpensation in the form of free houers.
The dog defends the bone because he is uncertan if he will be able to get another bone the dog is run by instinct to store food even thow it is poentifull and taken care of we on the other hand have reson.

"Why would you want more if you have everything you need?" We'll, some of us want to have an exciting life, and not live in a world where everyone is equally poor!

What makes you think life would be without exitemant?
And nobody is talking of being poor.

Actually, if all of the wealth would be redistributed, nobody would be poor.

Stop lecturing me on human rights. You don't have any idea how hypocritical you sound right now. A communist who actually cares about the peopl? Bah!

Communism is built out of the power of the ordinary people and their rights.

[Walter Powers]

Why would you want to leve in a gigant house all alone?
For such casea of extended worke day we alredy have conpensation in the form of free houers.
The dog defends the bone because he is uncertan if he will be able to get another bone the dog is run by instinct to store food even thow it is poentifull and taken care of we on the other hand have reson.



What makes you think life would be without exitemant?
And nobody is talking of being poor.





Communism is built out of the power of the ordinary people and their rights.
Bottom line is: Where? What proof do you have that this is a good ideology?

I don't know about where you live, but supporting something without evidence it works doesn't fly in America.

[tovaris]

Bottom line is: Where? What proof do you have that this is a good ideology?

I don't know about where you live, but supporting something without evidence it works doesn't fly in America.

Do you have any evidence it will not work. All the evidence points to the fact that communism will work.

[Harry Smith]

Do you have any evidence it will not work. All the evidence points to the fact that communism will work.

No it doesn't, nearly every single think tank in the world and several members on this site have said that Human nature doesn't allow it.

Your idea also needs support from the people and the people do not support it. Your the only want one this forum who believes that it can be introduced showing how weak your argument is because it needs wide spread support

[tovaris]

No it doesn't, nearly every single think tank in the world and several members on this site have said that Human nature doesn't allow it.

Your idea also needs support from the people and the people do not support it. Your the only want one this forum who believes that it can be introduced showing how weak your argument is because it needs wide spread support

Humans are thaught that vay it is not nature.

The people are the source of theidea you can't enforce t to them it has to come from the people.

[Walter Powers]

Do you have any evidence it will not work. All the evidence points to the fact that communism will work.

Well, I know capitalism DOES work. So I'd prefer not to take the very likely chance of ending up having all my rights taken away by a dictator.

What evidence points to the fact communism does work? Give me one example, Just ONE, where communism has given a better quality of life to people. If you can't do that, I'm sorry, but you are a total idiot for buying into this garbage.

[britishboy]

Humans are thaught that vay it is not nature.

The people are the source of theidea you can't enforce t to them it has to come from the people.

read this maticek, whats interesting is that its written by a former soviet union citizen
www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Communism/1428263

[Stronk Serb]

read this maticek, whats interesting is that its written by a former soviet union citizen
www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Communism/1428263

The problem is, the Soviet Union was not even close to communism me and maticek are talking about. It stopped being like that since 1924.

[britishboy]

The problem is, the Soviet Union was not even close to communism me and maticek are talking about. It stopped being like that since 1924.

did you even read all of it? he slaughters the argument of 'no one has ever been communist'

[tttttt]

I'm from England, and there's nothing worse than seeing someone completely ripping on socialist ideas, whilst taking advantage of our state school and health care systems. Double standards really.

[tovaris]

read this maticek, whats interesting is that its written by a former soviet union citizen
www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Communism/1428263

You have alredy posted this and it was explaned to you that the soviet union was not communist.

[britishboy]

You have alredy posted this and it was explaned to you that the soviet union was not communist.

because you cant read ill copy and paste

The defenders and supporters of
communism like to point out that
the statement about communism
killing all those people is incorrect
because communism in its purest
form has never actually been tried
in the world . That ' s right, it hasn' t .
For the simple reason that it isn ' t
possible for it to ever be achieved .

Allow me to explain why. The
fallacy of ideologies like Marxism is
their belief in every human being ' s
complete benevolence and its
labeling of every selfish act as evil .
In reality, human beings are not
benevolent , and they are not
selfless . I will be the first to admit
that the free market system is ba sed
on this notion, but that doesn' t
make it evil ( neither does financial
success of China make it a
successful society) . What motivates a
person to work hard for a better
future for everyone ? The promise of
a better future for him or her as an
individual . When there is no
personal payoff , there is no
motivation to work hard for
common good. To put this into real-
life terms , the reason Mr . Smith
decides to open a restaurant is not
because he wants to feed people
who are hungry and make the world
a better place, but because he wants
to sell a product to those who want
to buy it , and thus make a profit
that would better his and his
family' s lives . But , by providing a
service other people want, Mr . Smith
is making the world a better place.
Because the moment he starts
selling bad food and being rude to
his customers , the customers will
no longer buy from him, but from
Mr . Jones down the street who does
offer quality food and service. In a
free market system, one cannot
offer the bare minimum , cannot
compromise the quality of their
goods , because doing so will drive
them out of business. No bad
restaurants on the street = better
street . That ' s just common sense .
But in a Marxist society, a man can
and will offer his absolute bare
minimum , because there is no
payoff for working harder , and no
threat of his customers leaving him
for greener pastures if he sells them
bad -quality goods , rude service , or a
pack of lies . Not only will he not
change if they complain , he ' ll laugh
in their faces - now, this I know
from experience. Every purchase we
made when I was a kid was a
decision of paramount proportions,
because there was no option to
either exchange or return the goods
you bought. This sort of thing leads
to people trying to obtain better
quality goods from abroad , which in
turn leads to people scheming,
stealing , and trying to game the
system, because those foreign goods
cannot be purchased at their local
stores or on their miserly salaries.
They are willing to risk what little
they have to obtain something that' s
better than what ' s available to them
legally. And why? Because it would
make their lives better in some way .
No matter which system you live
under , human nature wins every
time . We will always want what we
cannot have. No matter how much
we have, we will always crave more .
When we ' re put in a cage that stifles
our ability to better our and our
family' s lives , we will always ,
always strive to escape it .
You cannot build a perfect society
with imperfect individuals , and you
cannot force people to be perfect . So
it makes sense that the only way for
communism to succeed ( in a
manner of speaking ) is to create a
totalitarian government over the
" dumb masses " , who are to be ruled
by the " perfect " select few , to be
cowed and forced into submission .
It ' s just another form of slavery
under the guise of altruism . The
“ common good of all people” was
used as a justification for every
single tyranny that ever existed, and
the evil they' ve committed
overwhelms the evil committed by
openly selfish undertakings or
governments . All these
“ humanitarians ” who commenced
their rule with speeches about love ,
peace , tolerance and common good,
ended up neck -deep in blood of
their fellow men , the very people
they had claimed to love so dearly .

its alot longer but I only posted the main bits

[tovaris]

because you cant read ill copy and paste

The defenders and supporters of
communism like to point out that
the statement about communism
killing all those people is incorrect
because communism in its purest
form has never actually been tried
in the world . That ' s right, it hasn' t .
For the simple reason that it isn ' t
possible for it to ever be achieved .

Allow me to explain why. The
fallacy of ideologies like Marxism is
their belief in every human being ' s
complete benevolence and its
labeling of every selfish act as evil .
In reality, human beings are not
benevolent , and they are not
selfless . I will be the first to admit
that the free market system is ba sed
on this notion, but that doesn' t
make it evil ( neither does financial
success of China make it a
successful society) . What motivates a
person to work hard for a better
future for everyone ? The promise of
a better future for him or her as an
individual . When there is no
personal payoff , there is no
motivation to work hard for
common good. To put this into real-
life terms , the reason Mr . Smith
decides to open a restaurant is not
because he wants to feed people
who are hungry and make the world
a better place, but because he wants
to sell a product to those who want
to buy it , and thus make a profit
that would better his and his
family' s lives . But , by providing a
service other people want, Mr . Smith
is making the world a better place.
Because the moment he starts
selling bad food and being rude to
his customers , the customers will
no longer buy from him, but from
Mr . Jones down the street who does
offer quality food and service. In a
free market system, one cannot
offer the bare minimum , cannot
compromise the quality of their
goods , because doing so will drive
them out of business. No bad
restaurants on the street = better
street . That ' s just common sense .
But in a Marxist society, a man can
and will offer his absolute bare
minimum , because there is no
payoff for working harder , and no
threat of his customers leaving him
for greener pastures if he sells them
bad -quality goods , rude service , or a
pack of lies . Not only will he not
change if they complain , he ' ll laugh
in their faces - now, this I know
from experience. Every purchase we
made when I was a kid was a
decision of paramount proportions,
because there was no option to
either exchange or return the goods
you bought. This sort of thing leads
to people trying to obtain better
quality goods from abroad , which in
turn leads to people scheming,
stealing , and trying to game the
system, because those foreign goods
cannot be purchased at their local
stores or on their miserly salaries.
They are willing to risk what little
they have to obtain something that' s
better than what ' s available to them
legally. And why? Because it would
make their lives better in some way .
No matter which system you live
under , human nature wins every
time . We will always want what we
cannot have. No matter how much
we have, we will always crave more .
When we ' re put in a cage that stifles
our ability to better our and our
family' s lives , we will always ,
always strive to escape it .
You cannot build a perfect society
with imperfect individuals , and you
cannot force people to be perfect . So
it makes sense that the only way for
communism to succeed ( in a
manner of speaking ) is to create a
totalitarian government over the
" dumb masses " , who are to be ruled
by the " perfect " select few , to be
cowed and forced into submission .
It ' s just another form of slavery
under the guise of altruism . The
“ common good of all people” was
used as a justification for every
single tyranny that ever existed, and
the evil they' ve committed
overwhelms the evil committed by
openly selfish undertakings or
governments . All these
“ humanitarians ” who commenced
their rule with speeches about love ,
peace , tolerance and common good,
ended up neck -deep in blood of
their fellow men , the very people
they had claimed to love so dearly .

its alot longer but I only posted the main bits

First paragraph, communism doesn't kill anione the ideologie at its core doean't alove that to be don in the mane of said ideologie.

[britishboy]

First paragraph, communism doesn't kill anione the ideologie at its core doean't alove that to be don in the mane of said ideologie.

dont ignore the stuff, admit your wrong or counter the arguments

[Walter Powers]

First paragraph, communism doesn't kill anione the ideologie at its core doean't alove that to be don in the mane of said ideologie.

I reiterate: What evidence points to the fact "true" communism does work? Give me one example, Just ONE, where communism has given a better quality of life to people. If you can't do that, I'm sorry, but you are a total idiot for buying into this garbage.

[tovaris]

dont ignore the stuff, admit your wrong or counter the arguments

I am not ignoring i am saing that this has nothing to do with communism amd mor to do with the USSR, (the objectivety questionable since the author clames ro have lived there, stil not about communism)

I reiterate: What evidence points to the fact communism does work? Give me one example, Just ONE, where communism has given a better quality of life to people. If you can't do that, I'm sorry, but you are a total idiot for buying into this garbage.

Show me why woulden't it work.

[britishboy]

I am not ignoring i am saing that this has nothing to do with communism amd mor to do with the USSR, (the objectivety questionable since the author clames ro have lived there, stil not about communism)



Show me why woulden't it work.

answer this
Allow me to explain why. The
fallacy of ideologies like Marxism is
their belief in every human being ' s
complete benevolence and its
labeling of every selfish act as evil .
In reality, human beings are not
benevolent , and they are not
selfless . I will be the first to admit
that the free market system is ba sed
on this notion, but that doesn' t
make it evil ( neither does financial
success of China make it a
successful society) . What motivates
a
person to work hard for a better
future for everyone ? The promise of
a better future for him or her as an
individual . When there is no
personal payoff , there is no
motivation to work hard for
common good. To put this into real-
life terms , the reason Mr . Smith
decides to open a restaurant is not
because he wants to feed people
who are hungry and make the world
a better place, but because he wants
to sell a product to those who want
to buy it , and thus make a profit
that would better his and his
family' s lives . But , by providing a
service other people want, Mr . Smith
is making the world a better place.
Because the moment he starts
selling bad food and being rude to
his customers , the customers will
no longer buy from him, but from
Mr . Jones down the street who does
offer quality food and service. In a
free market system, one cannot
offer the bare minimum , cannot
compromise the quality of their
goods , because doing so will drive
them out of business. No bad
restaurants on the street = better
street . That ' s just common sense .
But in a Marxist society, a man can
and will offer his absolute bare
minimum , because there is no
payoff for working harder , and no
threat of his customers leaving him
for greener pastures if he sells them
bad -quality goods , rude service , or
a
pack of lies . Not only will he not
change if they complain , he ' ll laugh
in their faces

[Walter Powers]

I am not ignoring i am saing that this has nothing to do with communism amd mor to do with the USSR, (the objectivety questionable since the author clames ro have lived there, stil not about communism)



Show me why woulden't it work.

I don't do trial and error. Capitalism works pretty well; I have a great life because of it. I need evidence that communism works better.

[tovaris]

I don't do trial and error. Capitalism works pretty well; I have a great life because of it. I need evidence that communism works better.

Capitalism obviously doesn't work. The answer in my opinion is communiam if you can come up with something better to replace capitalism, go right ahead.

[Walter Powers]

Capitalism obviously doesn't work. The answer in my opinion is communiam if you can come up with something better to replace capitalism, go right ahead.

CAPITALISM DOES WORK! Why would we want to replace it? Here, the average income is $50,000 a year under capitalism! And I can give you like 20 other. examples to prove it. Have you ever even been to a capitalist country? The evidence is obvious! Everyone is way better off!

[tovaris]

answer this
Allow me to explain why. The
fallacy of ideologies like Marxism is
their belief in every human being ' s
complete benevolence and its
labeling of every selfish act as evil .
In reality, human beings are not
benevolent , and they are not
selfless . I will be the first to admit
that the free market system is ba sed
on this notion, but that doesn' t
make it evil ( neither does financial
success of China make it a
successful society) . What motivates
a
person to work hard for a better
future for everyone ? The promise of
a better future for him or her as an
individual . When there is no
personal payoff , there is no
motivation to work hard for
common good. To put this into real-
life terms , the reason Mr . Smith
decides to open a restaurant is not
because he wants to feed people
who are hungry and make the world
a better place, but because he wants
to sell a product to those who want
to buy it , and thus make a profit
that would better his and his
family' s lives . But , by providing a
service other people want, Mr . Smith
is making the world a better place.
Because the moment he starts
selling bad food and being rude to
his customers , the customers will
no longer buy from him, but from
Mr . Jones down the street who does
offer quality food and service. In a
free market system, one cannot
offer the bare minimum , cannot
compromise the quality of their
goods , because doing so will drive
them out of business. No bad
restaurants on the street = better
street . That ' s just common sense .
But in a Marxist society, a man can
and will offer his absolute bare
minimum , because there is no
payoff for working harder , and no
threat of his customers leaving him
for greener pastures if he sells them
bad -quality goods , rude service , or
a
pack of lies . Not only will he not
change if they complain , he ' ll laugh
in their faces

Not all that many Marxist around any more.
You are wrong people are not dogs reqireing a treat everitime thy do somerhing good, they will do what they like and recieve everething they would ever need.

[tovaris]

CAPITALISM DOES WORK! Why would we want to replace it? Here, the average income is $50,000 a year under capitalism! And I can give you like 20 other. examples to prove it. Have you ever even been to a capitalist country? The evidence is obvious! Everyone is way better off!

I live in a capitalist country you i_ _ _ _. Open your eies capitalism is failing in everething exept of makeing the rich richer. In communism one would have no incom.

[Walter Powers]

I live in a capitalist country you i_ _ _ _. Open your eies capitalism is failing in everething exept of makeing the rich richer. In communism one would have no incom.

You do live in a capitalist country. One that has become much much richer since it switched to capitalism. Open YOUR eyes.

[tovaris]

You do live in a capitalist country. One that has become much much richer since it switched to capitalism. Open YOUR eyes.

Much more poored, the unempliment rate rose, people are unsatisfied, the standard is stagnating, banks are bancrupting, firms are going under, we are being baught op by foreighn capitalists...

[britishboy]

Not all that many Marxist around any more.
You are wrong people are not dogs reqireing a treat everitime thy do somerhing good, they will do what they like and recieve everething they would ever need.

people will do there bare minimum

[tovaris]

people will do there bare minimum

You keep saing that even thow i have disproven jt time and time again.

[britishboy]

You keep saing that even thow i have disproven jt time and time again.

you haven't disproved it, its fact a unproven impossible thery can not disprove it

[Walter Powers]

Much more poored, the unempliment rate rose, people are unsatisfied, the standard is stagnating, banks are bancrupting, firms are going under, we are being baught op by foreighn capitalists...
http://www.voxeu.org/sites/default/files/image/20110113%20Gylfason.jpg

This show the GDP per capita of Eastern European countries after the fall of Yougoslavia and the USSR and capitalism took over. Notice something?

[tovaris]

image (http://www.voxeu.org/sites/default/files/image/20110113%20Gylfason.jpg)

This show the GDP per capita of Eastern European countries after the fall of Yougoslavia and the USSR and capitalism took over. Notice something?

Central europe, simple geography, and the others its mostly sudern europe.
And after 2008?
Also gdp shows little of what actuly is going on on the ground, yes the standard was rising sligtly but at what cost? We see that cost now.

Did you even read what I said? I never implied that communism is totalitarian, and I didn't say anything about whether or not Stalin was a communist.

Let me rephrase what I said: Things will always calm down to dictators like Stalin who will oppress the people. Communism, as perfect as it is in theory, can never work in practice.



h.

It will work if the driwe comes from the people

[Stronk Serb]

did you even read all of it? he slaughters the argument of 'no one has ever been communist'

Fuckin' marvelous. Don't blame the ideology which is against it, blame the man who did it.

because you cant read ill copy and paste

The defenders and supporters of
communism like to point out that
the statement about communism
killing all those people is incorrect
because communism in its purest
form has never actually been tried
in the world . That ' s right, it hasn' t .
For the simple reason that it isn ' t
possible for it to ever be achieved .

Allow me to explain why. The
fallacy of ideologies like Marxism is
their belief in every human being ' s
complete benevolence and its
labeling of every selfish act as evil .
In reality, human beings are not
benevolent , and they are not
selfless . I will be the first to admit
that the free market system is ba sed
on this notion, but that doesn' t
make it evil ( neither does financial
success of China make it a
successful society) . What motivates a
person to work hard for a better
future for everyone ? The promise of
a better future for him or her as an
individual . When there is no
personal payoff , there is no
motivation to work hard for
common good. To put this into real-
life terms , the reason Mr . Smith
decides to open a restaurant is not
because he wants to feed people
who are hungry and make the world
a better place, but because he wants
to sell a product to those who want
to buy it , and thus make a profit
that would better his and his
family' s lives . But , by providing a
service other people want, Mr . Smith
is making the world a better place.
Because the moment he starts
selling bad food and being rude to
his customers , the customers will
no longer buy from him, but from
Mr . Jones down the street who does
offer quality food and service. In a
free market system, one cannot
offer the bare minimum , cannot
compromise the quality of their
goods , because doing so will drive
them out of business. No bad
restaurants on the street = better
street . That ' s just common sense .
But in a Marxist society, a man can
and will offer his absolute bare
minimum , because there is no
payoff for working harder , and no
threat of his customers leaving him
for greener pastures if he sells them
bad -quality goods , rude service , or a
pack of lies . Not only will he not
change if they complain , he ' ll laugh
in their faces - now, this I know
from experience. Every purchase we
made when I was a kid was a
decision of paramount proportions,
because there was no option to
either exchange or return the goods
you bought. This sort of thing leads
to people trying to obtain better
quality goods from abroad , which in
turn leads to people scheming,
stealing , and trying to game the
system, because those foreign goods
cannot be purchased at their local
stores or on their miserly salaries.
They are willing to risk what little
they have to obtain something that' s
better than what ' s available to them
legally. And why? Because it would
make their lives better in some way .
No matter which system you live
under , human nature wins every
time . We will always want what we
cannot have. No matter how much
we have, we will always crave more .
When we ' re put in a cage that stifles
our ability to better our and our
family' s lives , we will always ,
always strive to escape it .
You cannot build a perfect society
with imperfect individuals , and you
cannot force people to be perfect . So
it makes sense that the only way for
communism to succeed ( in a
manner of speaking ) is to create a
totalitarian government over the
" dumb masses " , who are to be ruled
by the " perfect " select few , to be
cowed and forced into submission .
It ' s just another form of slavery
under the guise of altruism . The
“ common good of all people” was
used as a justification for every
single tyranny that ever existed, and
the evil they' ve committed
overwhelms the evil committed by
openly selfish undertakings or
governments . All these
“ humanitarians ” who commenced
their rule with speeches about love ,
peace , tolerance and common good,
ended up neck -deep in blood of
their fellow men , the very people
they had claimed to love so dearly .

its alot longer but I only posted the main bits

In communism, there will be no market. Only household provisions.

dont ignore the stuff, admit your wrong or counter the arguments

Already did :)

I don't do trial and error. Capitalism works pretty well; I have a great life because of it. I need evidence that communism works better.

CAPITALISM DOES WORK! Why would we want to replace it? Here, the average income is $50,000 a year under capitalism! And I can give you like 20 other. examples to prove it. Have you ever even been to a capitalist country? The evidence is obvious! Everyone is way better off!

Uhhh, the US and post-socialist capitalist model is mostly failing. I live in the post-socialist one, and 80% minimum of those are failing.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

It will work if the driwe comes from the people

That's the point I'm making. The drive for that will never come. People are ambitious, egotistical and greedy. Someone will always want to be richer and more powerful than the other person. People will always be more interested in their own well being than that of their community.

The theory of communism just goes against human nature, and that's why it can never work in practice.

[tovaris]

That's the point I'm making. The drive for that will never come. People are ambitious, egotistical and greedy. Someone will always want to be richer and more powerful than the other person. People will always be more interested in their own well being than that of their community.

The theory of communism just goes against human nature, and that's why it can never work in practice.

Interesting, at leest your argument has mor structure and thaught than those of those three.

It does not go againced our nation since we are communal animals ment to lieve in a comunaty and to help echother.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Interesting, at leest your argument has mor structure and thaught than those of those three.

It does not go againced our nation since we are communal animals ment to lieve in a comunaty and to help echother.

We were. Not anymore.

Communism might have worked in some form thousands of years ago, but it can't work now.

One of the core principles of communism is work as much as you can - get as much as you need, right?

That wouldn't work now. If I get paid exactly the same even if I work harder, why should I bother?

[tovaris]

We were. Not anymore.

Communism might have worked in some form thousands of years ago, but it can't work now.

One of the core principles of communism is work as much as you can - get as much as you need, right?

That wouldn't work now. If I get paid exactly the same even if I work harder, why should I bother?

Whel noone is nkwerdays talking about an overnight change most talk about a gradual chang over several generations.

[Stronk Serb]

Whel noone is nkwerdays talking about an overnight change most talk about a gradual chang over several generations.

If we want to get rid of currency and establish a fully communist SWR (Socialist World Republic) it will take dozens if not hundreds of generations of fully attended work which, sadly will probably not happen in mine or your time.

[tovaris]

If we want to get rid of currency and establish a fully communist SWR (Socialist World Republic) it will take dozens if not hundreds of generations of fully attended work which, sadly will probably not happen in mine or your time.

But it will happen and that is what matters.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Whel noone is nkwerdays talking about an overnight change most talk about a gradual chang over several generations.

But it still can't happen, I don't know why you can't understand that.

My father was taught that no one would give him anything for free. If he wanted to something, he was gonna have to fight for it. That's what he's teaching me. So, why in the hell should I teach my children to lay down and hope that the government would look out for their well-being?

A long time ago, nature forced us to be cooperative. We've learned how to overcome what nature was throwing at us, and now we don't have a reason to be cooperative anymore. Society has made us competitive.

If we want to get rid of currency and establish a fully communist SWR (Socialist World Republic) it will take dozens if not hundreds of generations of fully attended work which, sadly will probably not happen in mine or your time.

But it won't. Ever. It's a nice dream to have, but it's just that - a dream.

I honestly can't see how it would work. Not in 10 years, not in a 100, not in 200. Care to explain why you think it would come to be, eventually?

[tovaris]

But it still can't happen, I don't know why you can't understand that.

My father was taught that no one would give him anything for free. If he wanted to something, he was gonna have to fight for it. That's what he's teaching me. So, why in the hell should I teach my children to lay down and hope that the government would look out for their well-being?

A long time ago, nature forced us to be cooperative. We've learned how to overcome what nature was throwing at us, and now we don't have a reason to be cooperative anymore. Society has made us competitive.

You see greed is taught.
Society would take care of itself avantuly nolonger requireing goverment.

We aranged into unneded social strata that we know are wrong and are now atempting to break them.

[Stronk Serb]

But it will happen and that is what matters.

It will start when the regimes go to ultra rightwing. Then an ultra-leftist revolution will occurr due to the people beimg oppressed. Many leftist regimes are identical, and communism has potential when that happens.

[tovaris]

It will start when the regimes go to ultra rightwing. Then an ultra-leftist revolution will occurr due to the people beimg oppressed. Many leftist regimes are identical, and communism has potential when that happens.

Executed by the people for the people.

[Stronk Serb]

But it still can't happen, I don't know why you can't understand that.

My father was taught that no one would give him anything for free. If he wanted to something, he was gonna have to fight for it. That's what he's teaching me. So, why in the hell should I teach my children to lay down and hope that the government would look out for their well-being?

A long time ago, nature forced us to be cooperative. We've learned how to overcome what nature was throwing at us, and now we don't have a reason to be cooperative anymore. Society has made us competitive.



But it won't. Ever. It's a nice dream to have, but it's just that - a dream.

I honestly can't see how it would work. Not in 10 years, not in a 100, not in 200. Care to explain why you think it would come to be, eventually

Teach them to fight for establishing of that kind of government. It does not neccessarily have to be communism. An ultra leftist revolution will start when the world reaches a similar situation like in Imperial Russia, 1917. It is probably going to be vaguely similar to communism.

[britishboy]

Teach them to fight for establishing of that kind of government. It does not neccessarily have to be communism. An ultra leftist revolution will start when the world reaches a similar situation like in Imperial Russia, 1917. It is probably going to be vaguely similar to communism.

that would only happen if the majority are starving and despite for food they cling in to false hope, we have welfare to make the poor happy

[Stronk Serb]

that would only happen if the majority are starving and despite for food they cling in to false hope, we have welfare to make the poor happy

You try feeding a 3 member family using welfare momey and food stamps. Welfare is not enough to cover it. That is why some people are working double-shifts to stop starving.

[britishboy]

You try feeding a 3 member family using welfare momey and food stamps. Welfare is not enough to cover it. That is why some people are working double-shifts to stop starving.

welfare stamps is american and as you live in neither the UK or USA your just listening to online communist propaganda! and in the awesome UK you get more money for each extra kid Mr hate everything good in the world

[Walter Powers]

You try feeding a 3 member family using welfare momey and food stamps. Welfare is not enough to cover it. That is why some people are working double-shifts to stop starving.

You obviously have zero understanding of American government assistance.

[Harry Smith]

dont ignore the stuff, admit your wrong or counter the arguments

You don't have much of a right to tell members what to do on here

[Walter Powers]

You don't have much of a right to tell members what to do on here

He doesn't. But, it's rude for somebody just to ignore you. This comment britishboy made was justified.

[tovaris]

do you not think that because people insult people with the term communist, being a communist may be bad? we generally dont care to much about politics but most im the world HATE communism

The world doesn't hate communism, you seem to forno aperant reson but the world sees it simply as a political orientation.

that would only happen if the majority are starving and despite for food they cling in to false hope, we have welfare to make the poor happy

Bread and games, is that your moto to keep the mases that should be in charge in check?

welfare stamps is american and as you live in neither the UK or USA your just listening to online communist propaganda! and in the awesome UK you get more money for each extra kid Mr hate everything good in the world

Welfere doesn't solve the problem it only makes it barable. Only a sistem change can solve the entire problem from start to finish.

[Stronk Serb]

welfare stamps is american and as you live in neither the UK or USA your just listening to online communist propaganda! and in the awesome UK you get more money for each extra kid Mr hate everything good in the world

Why is it good that people are losing jobs in America to illegal immigrants or immigrants who do not have the self-respect to demand a higher wage? I am talking about physical jobs which are the most numerous. And we used stamps in Yugoslavia long before you. It was especially good during the lawlessness of the '90s, only if the people would get the stamps, since for a stamp you can buy food, gasoline for a designated amount. That way in a crisis, some rich asshole would not buy all food or gasoline and sell it.

[Harry Smith]

He doesn't. But, it's rude for somebody just to ignore you. This comment britishboy made was justified.

No it's not, this is a public forum. We're having a debate and people have a right to have a life both outside this thread and outside of this forum. There is absolutely nothing in the rules about it being an offense to ignore people

[britishboy]

The world doesn't hate communism, you seem to forno aperant reson but the world sees it simply as a political orientation.



Bread and games, is that your moto to keep the mases that should be in charge in check?



Welfere doesn't solve the problem it only makes it barable. Only a sistem change can solve the entire problem from start to finish.

bread is not given, money is and its to keep you going until you get a job or for extra expenses for example if you have a disability and the fast majority of people in MEDC's hate communism, it might be more popular in poored LEDC's as they have no hope so have nothing to lose

[Walter Powers]

No it's not, this is a public forum. We're having a debate and people have a right to have a life both outside this thread and outside of this forum. There is absolutely nothing in the rules about it being an offense to ignore people

Did he say it was against the rules? A "I'll respond to you in a bit" would be nice, because he was answering plenty of other threads.

[britishboy]

No it's not, this is a public forum. We're having a debate and people have a right to have a life both outside this thread and outside of this forum. There is absolutely nothing in the rules about it being an offense to ignore people

no I spent 10 minutes getting sourses and reading economic and social predictions to produce my best post against communism and he only defends the first point! he wasnt ignoring me, it was just a bit annoying and I just asked him to respond to the others

[britishboy]

Why is it good that people are losing jobs in America to illegal immigrants or immigrants who do not have the self-respect to demand a higher wage? I am talking about physical jobs which are the most numerous. And we used stamps in Yugoslavia long before you. It was especially good during the lawlessness of the '90s, only if the people would get the stamps, since for a stamp you can buy food, gasoline for a designated amount. That way in a crisis, some rich asshole would not buy all food or gasoline and sell it.

illegal immigrants cant work legaly in britian and those employing them get large fines but I do agree its bad and again im british living in britian

[Walter Powers]

illegal immigrants cant work legaly in britian and those employing them get large fines but I do agree its bad and again im british living in britian

Here in Oregon illegals can get drivers licenses. It's crazy.

[britishboy]

Here in Oregon illegals can get drivers licenses. It's crazy.

yeah you told me that and why?? whoever gives licenses out in the usa should just call immigration when they turn up because that only welcomes illegal imagination

[Walter Powers]

yeah you told me that and why?? whoever gives licenses out in the usa should just call immigration when they turn up because that only welcomes illegal imagination

I haven't the faintest idea why they would do that. I guess you'd have to ask Governor Kitzhaber and his Democrat-filled congress.

I think they want to work towards making them citizens so that they have more liberal voters.

[britishboy]

I haven't the faintest idea why they would do that. I guess you'd have to ask Governor Kitzhaber and his Democrat-filled congress.

I think they want to work towards making them citizens so that they have more liberal voters.

write a complaint, contact the news and papers on their apps it has a section for sending you stories, raise awareness

[Harry Smith]

Did he say it was against the rules? A "I'll respond to you in a bit" would be nice, because he was answering plenty of other threads.

no I spent 10 minutes getting sourses and reading economic and social predictions to produce my best post against communism and he only defends the first point! he wasnt ignoring me, it was just a bit annoying and I just asked him to respond to the others

Members have no right to ask others to post. Yes it is annoying if people don't respond fully but you simply can't ask people to do something on here. It comes across as rude to tell members to reply to you, it's bordering on harassment.

[tovaris]

Members have no right to ask others to post. Yes it is annoying if people don't respond fully but you simply can't ask people to do something on here. It comes across as rude to tell members to reply to you, it's bordering on harassment.
Loosen that tie a little it was just a nother statement like hundreds of others.

bread is not given, money is and its to keep you going until you get a job or for extra expenses for example if you have a disability and the fast majority of people in MEDC's hate communism, it might be more popular in poored LEDC's as they have no hope so have nothing to lose

Its a saing from roman empire times, give them bread and games.

Whats MEDC and LEDC?

[tovaris]

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