communism

[tovaris]

I find this ironic, it's an Forum made up by Americans and Brits mainly, who talk English, the forum is in English and Ran in the US. Maybe if your annoyed by western propaganda you should go to a forum more suited to your needs

No I wish to cure you from it and make all your lives better.

Have you considered that English is not his first language?

It is my third, and I am usually wood at English just not the spelling part (and many of my mistakes are simply typos because I mainly write on my smartphone and the opera mobile browser doesn't have a built in spell checker). :) ;)

[Harry Smith]

[QUOTE=maticek;2283232]No I wish to cure you from it and make all your lives better.

well considering I'm eating a very nice muffin, which I was able to buy from very nice shop I think I don't need a cure for my evil ways

[Sir Suomi]

The thing that I hate about Communism is the fact that all who are in charge lie. They are greedy, power hungry bosses, the 1% who leads the communist party, who take all the money from the 99% of the workers who live in ghetto neighborhoods, unable to even afford cars. Communism is a totalitarian government. And in order for a totalitarian government to succeed, there can be no resistance to those who are in charge. That's why you see in places like China, Cuba, and Korea, where the government controls all aspects of your life, whether it be what you watch, you job, your house, whatever. There is no individualism. You are a pathetic, meaningless drone, without a chance to succeed in life. At least in the Western world, we have the freedom to make our own destiny, while you Communists drones just do as you are told, with no say in the matter. "For the greater good"? Ha, what a joke.

[tovaris]

No I wish to cure you from it and make all your lives better.

well considering I'm eating a very nice muffin, which I was able to buy from very nice shop I think I don't need a cure for my evil ways

Not your evil wais but the evil ways of them capitalists

The thing that I hate about Communism is the fact that all who are in charge lie. They are greedy, power hungry bosses, the 1% who leads the communist party, who take all the money from the 99% of the workers who live in ghetto neighborhoods, unable to even afford cars. Communism is a totalitarian government. And in order for a totalitarian government to succeed, there can be no resistance to those who are in charge. That's why you see in places like China, Cuba, and Korea, where the government controls all aspects of your life, whether it be what you watch, you job, your house, whatever. There is no individualism. You are a pathetic, meaningless drone, without a chance to succeed in life. At least in the Western world, we have the freedom to make our own destiny, while you Communists drones just do as you are told, with no say in the matter. "For the greater good"? Ha, what a joke.

Not your evil WAIS but the evil ways of them capitalists, who take all the money from the 99% of the workers who live in ghetto neighborhoods, You are a pathetic, meaningless drone, without a chance to succeed in life=capitalists/capitalists
Communism can only exist in a total democracy a dictatorship of the pleasantries not the one per cent of the ruling class
China, Cuba, and Korea, are not communist

[Sir Suomi]

[QUOTE=Harry Smith;2283318]

Not your evil WAIS but the evil ways of them capitalists, who take all the money from the 99% of the workers who live in ghetto neighborhoods, You are a pathetic, meaningless drone, without a chance to succeed in life=capitalists/capitalists
Communism can only exist in a total democracy a dictatorship of the pleasantries not the one per cent of the ruling class
China, Cuba, and Korea, are not communist

Wow are you blind? Tell me, in all of recorded time, where communism has worked. Tell me, when has it actually helped the people? Tell me, why in God's name, communism should even be allowed to exist. It does nothing good for the people. When have there ever been a pure, democratically elected Communist leader? Never. Throughout history, all they have done is take power by force, keep it by using force, and stage "Elections", where there is only ONE party, the COMMUNIST PARTY. Communism is evil itself. China, Cuba, are known and named Communist states. North Korea has very similar government to Communism. And you want to know what all of you Commies have in common? You all suppress anyone under your command. I want you to go out into Pyongyang, and try to protest against the government. And you know what will happen? Your ass will be thrown in jail. Capitalism is freedom at it's purest. To succeed, you need to earn it, not just have it given to you(Well, if you're not part of the pig-headed Communist Party, what's left). I swear, you talk about the "Evils" of Capitalism, when you can't even take a look into the mirror. Face it, Communism is an evil thing, and it must stop. The sooner you begin to realize this, the sooner you will begin to realize how corrupt and evil Communism is.

[britishboy]

I commonisn is a nice I idea but I dont believe it could ever succeed and I could not go down to the working class and who would chose to? and I still have doubts about the economics

[tovaris]

Wow are you blind? Tell me, in all of recorded time, where communism has worked. Tell me, when has it actually helped the people? Tell me, why in God's name, communism should even be allowed to exist. It does nothing good for the people. When have there ever been a pure, democratically elected Communist leader? Never. Throughout history, all they have done is take power by force, keep it by using force, and stage "Elections", where there is only ONE party, the COMMUNIST PARTY. Communism is evil itself. China, Cuba, are known and named Communist states. North Korea has very similar government to Communism. And you want to know what all of you Commies have in common? You all suppress anyone under your command. I want you to go out into Pyongyang, and try to protest against the government. And you know what will happen? Your ass will be thrown in jail. Capitalism is freedom at it's purest. To succeed, you need to earn it, not just have it given to you(Well, if you're not part of the pig-headed Communist Party, what's left). I swear, you talk about the "Evils" of Capitalism, when you can't even take a look into the mirror. Face it, Communism is an evil thing, and it must stop. The sooner you begin to realize this, the sooner you will begin to realize how corrupt and evil Communism is.

TITO was a democratecly elected communist all thow the sistem wasent true communisem.
You tell me a single country that has enbraced communisem.!
Communisem does a lot of good to people (read my previous posts). And because Jezus promoted erly ideas of a marxist-socialit society.
Capitalisem make poor poorer and the rich richer at its purest while communisem at its purest brings freedom and equalety.
China, N korea are defenatly not communist, Cuba is socialist.
A true dommunist goverment cannot be a totalitarium rgime.
Capitalisem offers little freedom, rich people have much better optiins than those from poor families.
The sooner you begin to realize this, the sooner you will begin to realize how corrupt and evil Capitalism is.

I commonisn is a nice I idea but I dont believe it could ever succeed and I could not go down to the working class and who would chose to? and I still have doubts about the economics

It would ehded sucseed if understood and conprehanded corectly, you wouldnt go down to the level of the lower working class the rich and the poor would meet in the midle, economics are wery sinple when you think agout them.

[Harry Smith]

[QUOTE=maticek;2283462]

Wow are you blind? Tell me, in all of recorded time, where communism has worked. Tell me, when has it actually helped the people? Tell me, why in God's name, communism should even be allowed to exist. It does nothing good for the people. When have there ever been a pure, democratically elected Communist leader? Never. Throughout history, all they have done is take power by force, keep it by using force, and stage "Elections", where there is only ONE party, the COMMUNIST PARTY. Communism is evil itself. China, Cuba, are known and named Communist states. North Korea has very similar government to Communism. And you want to know what all of you Commies have in common? You all suppress anyone under your command. I want you to go out into Pyongyang, and try to protest against the government. And you know what will happen? Your ass will be thrown in jail. Capitalism is freedom at it's purest. To succeed, you need to earn it, not just have it given to you(Well, if you're not part of the pig-headed Communist Party, what's left). I swear, you talk about the "Evils" of Capitalism, when you can't even take a look into the mirror. Face it, Communism is an evil thing, and it must stop. The sooner you begin to realize this, the sooner you will begin to realize how corrupt and evil Communism is.

Did I say that?

TITO was a democratecly elected communist all thow the sistem wasent true communisem.
You tell me a single country that has enbraced communisem.!
Communisem does a lot of good to people (read my previous posts). And because Jezus promoted erly ideas of a marxist-socialit society.
Capitalisem make poor poorer and the rich richer at its purest while communisem at its purest brings freedom and equalety.
China, N korea are defenatly not communist, Cuba is socialist.
A true dommunist goverment cannot be a totalitarium rgime.
Capitalisem offers little freedom, rich people have much better optiins than those from poor families.
The sooner you begin to realize this, the sooner you will begin to realize how corrupt and evil Capitalism is.

actually there are many examples of poor people becoming rich as a result of capitalism, look at Alan Sugar. Started off Poor, now thanks to the evil capitalist west he is rich, he worked hard and was rewared

Again, please use the multi-quote or edit buttons to add something instead of double posting. ~TheMatrix

[Sir Suomi]

[QUOTE=Austin_;2283479]

Did I say that?

Sorry, screwed up on the quote.

[TheMatrix]

Wow are you blind? Tell me, in all of recorded time, where communism has worked. Tell me, when has it actually helped the people? Tell me, why in God's name, communism should even be allowed to exist. It does nothing good for the people. When have there ever been a pure, democratically elected Communist leader? Never. Throughout history, all they have done is take power by force, keep it by using force, and stage "Elections", where there is only ONE party, the COMMUNIST PARTY.
Comrade, in a true Communist society, there is no leader. The people, the Proletariat, are those who govern. Not one or a group of people.
What you are seeing is the Western misconception of what Communism really is.
A brief history: It started with President Harry Truman, of the United States. He had something called the Truman Doctrine, which aimed to limit the spread of Communism, even if those concerned wanted it. It was made because various dictators had claimed to be Communist, but if you know what Communism really is, any fool could see they were quite the opposite!

Communism is evil itself. China, Cuba, are known and named Communist states. North Korea has very similar government to Communism.
My comrades and I beg to differ! See previous posts.

And you want to know what all of you Commies have in common? You all suppress anyone under your command. I want you to go out into Pyongyang, and try to protest against the government. And you know what will happen? Your ass will be thrown in jail.[QUOTE=Austin_;2283479]
Ah, the misconception again. There would be no need for a jail in a true Communist society, because we all live with each other, and have a common goal. And we think the same, and respect one another.
In capitalism, there is apparently a need for a jail, because you get by through lying and cheating. Working honestly under capitalism usually gets you nowhere.

[QUOTE=Austin_;2283479]Capitalism is freedom at it's purest. To succeed, you need to earn it, not just have it given to you(Well, if you're not part of the pig-headed Communist Party, what's left).
I swear, you talk about the "Evils" of Capitalism, when you can't even take a look into the mirror. Face it, Communism is an evil thing, and it must stop. The sooner you begin to realize this, the sooner you will begin to realize how corrupt and evil Communism is.
You seem to be forgetting the evils of capitalism. You live in a nice house, and are just born into the bourgeoisie. You can ignore all the poverty that lies outside your artificial reality. Ever seen the movie Blue Gold? There's a great example of what capitalism can do.

I realise that humans are resistant to change. And Comrades, you are no different. Mindsets are not let go easily.
But as they say, a lie told often enough becomes true, and that lie is Capitalism.

[tovaris]

[QUOTE=Austin_;2283479]


actually there are many examples of poor people becoming rich as a result of capitalism, look at Alan Sugar. Started off Poor, now thanks to the evil capitalist west he is rich, he worked hard and was rewared

Again, please use the multi-quote or edit buttons to add something instead of double posting. ~TheMatrix

Exceptions prove the rule.

[Harry Smith]

[QUOTE=Harry Smith;2283856]

Exceptions prove the rule.

No, this proves that a poor person can do well out of capitalism, 75% of American millionaire's are self made, it's the social ladder.

Also how many countries are communist?

[tovaris]

[QUOTE=maticek;2285166]

No, this proves that a poor person can do well out of capitalism, 75% of American millionaire's are self made, it's the social ladder.

Also how many countries are communist?

75% of the less tan 1% of the entire population,
in communism there are no poor or rich

[ceiminally bad]

Perfect system but only for animals.

[tovaris]

Perfect system but only for animals.

we are animals...


But as they say, a lie told often enough becomes true, and that lie is Capitalism.

could not agre more (that enplies to the rest of the post as well)

[Polansek]

the only possibility for humanity and the world

[Stronk Serb]

[QUOTE=maticek;2283462]

Wow are you blind? Tell me, in all of recorded time, where communism has worked. Tell me, when has it actually helped the people? Tell me, why in God's name, communism should even be allowed to exist. It does nothing good for the people. When have there ever been a pure, democratically elected Communist leader? Never. Throughout history, all they have done is take power by force, keep it by using force, and stage "Elections", where there is only ONE party, the COMMUNIST PARTY. Communism is evil itself. China, Cuba, are known and named Communist states. North Korea has very similar government to Communism. And you want to know what all of you Commies have in common? You all suppress anyone under your command. I want you to go out into Pyongyang, and try to protest against the government. And you know what will happen? Your ass will be thrown in jail. Capitalism is freedom at it's purest. To succeed, you need to earn it, not just have it given to you(Well, if you're not part of the pig-headed Communist Party, what's left). I swear, you talk about the "Evils" of Capitalism, when you can't even take a look into the mirror. Face it, Communism is an evil thing, and it must stop. The sooner you begin to realize this, the sooner you will begin to realize how corrupt and evil Communism is.


That is not true communism. True communism is a classless society. In many communist countries th leader owned everything which mean that he was a class above the workers. That is not communism. And yes, I am a commie who is going to steal your freedom and throw you in a gulag to shovel snow in your underwear during a blizzard. Joking.

[tovaris]

[QUOTE=Austin_;2283479]


That is not true communism. True communism is a classless society. In many communist countries th leader owned everything which mean that he was a class above the workers. That is not communism. And yes, I am a commie who is going to steal your freedom and throw you in a gulag to shovel snow in your underwear during a blizzard. Joking.

Comrade I never said this nonsence.

[ceiminally bad]

we are animals...



could not agre more (that enplies to the rest of the post as well)

i feen sorry for u.:yes:

[tovaris]

i feen sorry for u.:yes:

Any specific reson or are you just hi on something.

[Harry Smith]

The one failure of Communism is the PR ( Public relations) behind it, I mean if you wanted to get a communist world order then your best bet would be to go back to the 20's when it was pretty bad in Europe, but over the last 20 years with more protection being offered to workers and many countries moving away from industry and into services e.g teaching and banking the need for large unions and thus communisn is declining.

Marx's teachings are 150 years old, as much as you bash Stalinism and other modifications they were the only ones's which were able to be applied to government.

My next point is that everyone associates Communism with repression because of the way that it was presented by Russia, if you want a single state Earth then your going to have to find a new country

[Stronk Serb]

The one failure of Communism is the PR ( Public relations) behind it, I mean if you wanted to get a communist world order then your best bet would be to go back to the 20's when it was pretty bad in Europe, but over the last 20 years with more protection being offered to workers and many countries moving away from industry and into services e.g teaching and banking the need for large unions and thus communisn is declining.

Marx's teachings are 150 years old, as much as you bash Stalinism and other modifications they were the only ones's which were able to be applied to government.

My next point is that everyone associates Communism with repression because of the way that it was presented by Russia, if you want a single state Earth then your going to have to find a new country


Perhaps, a Trotskyst state. He pissed on Stalin's regime untill his dying breath.

[Harry Smith]

Perhaps, a Trotskyst state. He pissed on Stalin's regime untill his dying breath.

I don't know much about Trotsky, I mean I know he led the red army in the civil war and that he got killed in mexico by Stalin's hitmen

[Stronk Serb]

I don't know much about Trotsky, I mean I know he led the red army in the civil war and that he got killed in mexico by Stalin's hitmen




He called Stalin's USSR a degenerated worker state. He was for a more democratic Soviet Union, and for spreading of socialist revolutions, not being isolationist like Stalin's USSR. He was Stalin's antagonist.

[britishboy]

He called Stalin's USSR a degenerated worker state. He was for a more democratic Soviet Union, and for spreading of socialist revolutions, not being isolationist like Stalin's USSR. He was Stalin's antagonist.

I LOVE STALIN I think hes a legend, one of the best leaders of russia, second only to Putin

[Stronk Serb]

I LOVE STALIN I think hes a legend, one of the best leaders of russia, second only to Putin

He killed more Soviet citizens then Hitler, because he was a dictator. How can you love such a man?

[britishboy]

He killed more Soviet citizens then Hitler, because he was a dictator. How can you love such a man?

I dont know alot about all that but he seems a strong leader and simply awesome, what about Putin? do you like him?

[Stronk Serb]

I dont know alot about all that but he seems a strong leader and simply awesome, what about Putin? do you like him?

Neither of those. Stalin caused famines and purges in which 20 million people died. The only good thing was rapid industrialization. He killed many scientists, engineers, officers, architects and artists. He was awful.

[britishboy]

Neither of those. Stalin caused famines and purges in which 20 million people died. The only good thing was rapid industrialization. He killed many scientists, engineers, officers, architects and artists. He was awful.

he was a strong leader and putin is not so anti west and is defusing the problem

[Stronk Serb]

he was a strong leader and putin is not so anti west and is defusing the problem


Stalin was a fascist. Nobody dared to treat him when he was dying, because he could say that whoever entered the room poisoned him and have that person executed without trial. Hitler was a strong leader also.

[tovaris]

The one failure of Communism is the PR ( Public relations) behind it, I mean if you wanted to get a communist world order then your best bet would be to go back to the 20's when it was pretty bad in Europe, but over the last 20 years with more protection being offered to workers and many countries moving away from industry and into services e.g teaching and banking the need for large unions and thus communisn is declining.

Marx's teachings are 150 years old, as much as you bash Stalinism and other modifications they were the only ones's which were able to be applied to government.

My next point is that everyone associates Communism with repression because of the way that it was presented by Russia, if you want a single state Earth then your going to have to find a new country

Communism is not about industries its about all of us living in a just, fair and good world.
Also Marxism is only a part and a partial foundation of communism.
With the failing of the current system, even the Scandinavian model is failing, communism is on the rise.
The Russians need a steal hand to govern them they couldn't just go from a totalitarian car to full democracy what we have vitnised in Russia since the revolutions is the fading of central power that will one day become full Putin and Russian mafia free communist democracy.

[Harry Smith]

Communism is not about industries its about all of us living in a just, fair and good world.
Also Marxism is only a part and a partial foundation of communism.
With the failing of the current system, even the Scandinavian model is failing, communism is on the rise.
The Russians need a steal hand to govern them they couldn't just go from a totalitarian car to full democracy what we have vitnised in Russia since the revolutions is the fading of central power that will one day become full Putin and Russian mafia free communist democracy.

communism is not on the rise at all, it's a relic of the cold war. Both the British and American communist party membership and votes have declined. I know you want to think that it's a strong powerful force but as I mentioned people associate it with the Soviets, you can't deny that

[britishboy]

communism is not on the rise at all, it's a relic of the cold war. Both the British and American communist party membership and votes have declined. I know you want to think that it's a strong powerful force but as I mentioned people associate it with the Soviets, you can't deny that

I 100% agree it was a popular idea in the 1930s but nowadays even the poor have a nice style of living and Russia China and North Korea are all recognized communist countries theyre just not pure communism and no country has it and none is close so it needs a big fucking rise haha:p

[tovaris]

communism is not on the rise at all, it's a relic of the cold war. Both the British and American communist party membership and votes have declined. I know you want to think that it's a strong powerful force but as I mentioned people associate it with the Soviets, you can't deny that

People who associate it with the CCCP (USSR) are uneducated, a problem communism will solve by bringing quality education everyone.

I 100% agree it was a popular idea in the 1930s but nowadays even the poor have a nice style of living and Russia China and North Korea are all recognized communist countries theyre just not pure communism and no country has it and none is close so it needs a big fucking rise haha:p

The Russian federation newer proclaimed itself communist, and N Korea and China are not communist because they act agance most fundamental communist ideas.

[Harry Smith]

[QUOTE=maticek;2301357]People who associate it with the CCCP (USSR) are uneducated, a problem communism will solve by bringing quality education everyone.

That is wrong, they are not uneducated. That implies they haven't been to school...

[tovaris]

[QUOTE=maticek;2301357]People who associate it with the CCCP (USSR) are uneducated, a problem communism will solve by bringing quality education everyone.

That is wrong, they are not uneducated. That implies they haven't been to school...

Whel that school has obviesly not thaught them the diference betveen Marx, Lenin and Stalin, keek in mind that totalitarisem has newer been in acordance with the „dictatorship of the proletariat” (not one craisy paranoied and vilant person)

[Los Frijoles]

I think communism would be incredible, but the world isn't ready. Before communism, I think what needs to happen is to let capitalism run wild, the rich get extremely rich, the poor die. The economy is launched in to a booming condition by the total freedom, and both the private and federal sector become wealthier and wealthier. Then, suddenly, the government takes in all the most successful businesses. Then, with the money from the businesses, the government could, under a hypothetical leader completely dedicated to the cause, establish a society in which all citizens have access to the same luxuries with the same ease.

[britishboy]

I think communism would be incredible, but the world isn't ready. Before communism, I think what needs to happen is to let capitalism run wild, the rich get extremely rich, the poor die. The economy is launched in to a booming condition by the total freedom, and both the private and federal sector become wealthier and wealthier. Then, suddenly, the government takes in all the most successful businesses. Then, with the money from the businesses, the government could, under a hypothetical leader completely dedicated to the cause, establish a society in which all citizens have access to the same luxuries with the same ease.

your talking out your ass, money dont last forever and thats called a dictatorship, stealing and doing things with out support

[Los Frijoles]

your talking out your ass, money dont last forever and thats called a dictatorship, stealing and doing things with out support

Money doesn't last forever, that's why the government takes over all businesses, so they can make money from them, which they can use to run the state. In addition, obviously this wouldn't work the agents carrying it out waited for everyone's support first, especially in an American style democracy with multiple branches who all have to agree. Finally, dictatorship is not inherently a bad thing. Not all dictators have to kill millions of their own citizens and execute other officials for no reason.

[tovaris]

I think communism would be incredible, but the world isn't ready. Before communism, I think what needs to happen is to let capitalism run wild, the rich get extremely rich, the poor die. The economy is launched in to a booming condition by the total freedom, and both the private and federal sector become wealthier and wealthier. Then, suddenly, the government takes in all the most successful businesses. Then, with the money from the businesses, the government could, under a hypothetical leader completely dedicated to the cause, establish a society in which all citizens have access to the same luxuries with the same ease.

Cmmunism doesnt aprove of that it is stil a capitalistic idea to take good conpanies and make extants of money. A communist society would govern itself and all conpanies buisnises, land, welth would be nationalised.

Money doesn't last forever, that's why the government takes over all businesses, so they can make money from them, which they can use to run the state. In addition, obviously this wouldn't work the agents carrying it out waited for everyone's support first, especially in an American style democracy with multiple branches who all have to agree. Finally, dictatorship is not inherently a bad thing. Not all dictators have to kill millions of their own citizens and execute other officials for no reason.

Any rule of one single person is a bad thing because only the people can govern.

[britishboy]

Money doesn't last forever, that's why the government takes over all businesses, so they can make money from them, which they can use to run the state. In addition, obviously this wouldn't work the agents carrying it out waited for everyone's support first, especially in an American style democracy with multiple branches who all have to agree. Finally, dictatorship is not inherently a bad thing. Not all dictators have to kill millions of their own citizens and execute other officials for no reason.

DICTATORSHIP IS NOT A BAD THING?! and it would ruin the quality of services as there is no competition

[Stronk Serb]

About Los Frijoles' posts, that is state capitalism, the ownership just goes to the state and not some richman.

[tovaris]

DICTATORSHIP IS NOT A BAD THING?! and it would ruin the quality of services as there is no competition

Dictatorship is defnatly a bad thing since it takes the power and interests away from the people.

[Stronk Serb]

Dictatorship is defnatly a bad thing since it takes the power and interests away from the people.

And if somebody inspired by Иосиф Виссарионович Сталин (Stalin) roses to power, the whole world is doomed. During Stalin's reign of blood and terror, the Soviet Union saw 40 million people killed, and 20 milliion were because of Stalin's purges and famines. Yet the price of rapid industrialization was too low to be paid in the lives of 20 million people. He was a fascist monster.

[tovaris]

And if somebody inspired by Иосиф Виссарионович Сталин (Stalin) roses to power, the whole world is doomed. During Stalin's reign of blood and terror, the Soviet Union saw 40 million people killed, and 20 milliion were because of Stalin's purges and famines. Yet the price of rapid industrialization was too low to be paid in the lives of 20 million people. He was a fascist monster.

That is why the Socialist World Republic would have conplete democracy and i anyone would try to seze more power than goes ti them they would be resocialised.

[Stronk Serb]

That is why the Socialist World Republic would have conplete democracy and i anyone would try to seze more power than goes ti them they would be resocialised.

Better to execute the would-be dictator as an enemy of the revolution and the working class.

[tovaris]

Better to execute the would-be dictator as an enemy of the revolution and the working class.

executions are useles and dont realy fit into the communist idea, i say if the resocialisation cannot be conplet... we need nwe roads, new apartment buildings, stones crushed, tunels dug...

[Stronk Serb]

executions are useles and dont realy fit into the communist idea, i say if the resocialisation cannot be conplet... we need nwe roads, new apartment buildings, stones crushed, tunels dug...

Hard physical labor? Yes. And working extra shifts should teach the usurpers.

[britishboy]

Dictatorship is defnatly a bad thing since it takes the power and interests away from the people.

exactly doesn't matter what they do

[tovaris]

exactly doesn't matter what they do

Yes because any dictator will only serve their own greed and disadvantage the people.

[britishboy]

Yes because any dictator will only serve their own greed and disadvantage the people.

have you seen the film the dictator? its a comedy but with a bit of politics:p

[tovaris]

have you seen the film the dictator? its a comedy but with a bit of politics:p

Not jet, do you have or know of a good pyrat copie?
Back to topic cidisen!

[britishboy]

Not jet, do you have or know of a good pyrat copie?
Back to topic cidisen!

do you mean pirate? no I dont. try YouTube or just buy it, you will love it and communism wont work, I dont see why you so commited, it wont happen and if it does it would fall apart with out it beingenforced by fear

[tovaris]

do you mean pirate? no I dont. try YouTube or just buy it, you will love it and communism wont work, I dont see why you so commited, it wont happen and if it does it would fall apart with out it beingenforced by fear

More people believe in communisem or parts of the idea than you think (communists would form a strong coalition with pirates for example). The reason to why it will work is because it solves all problems, basicly. And avantuly our solar sistem will ce a communist republic.

[britishboy]

More people believe in communisem or parts of the idea than you think (communists would form a strong coalition with pirates for example). The reason to why it will work is because it solves all problems, basicly. And avantuly our solar sistem will ce a communist republic.

quality if services will go down because theres no competition and there will be no chance to succeed in life

[tovaris]

quality if services will go down because theres no competition and there will be no chance to succeed in life

Only if we eliminate conpetition can we all succed.

[britishboy]

Only if we eliminate conpetition can we all succed.

corruptions not the problem, why would businesses deliver quality services when there is no competition? they wont thats the answer

[tovaris]

corruptions not the problem, why would businesses deliver quality services when there is no competition? they wont thats the answer

Because its good for the society not because of theyr own personal grede

[britishboy]

Because its good for the society not because of theyr own personal grede

very few people will think like that

[tovaris]

very few people will think like that

Everione will think that.

[britishboy]

Everione will think that.

well I wont and I dont think many will

[tovaris]

well I wont and I dont think many will

Educattion is kee

[britishboy]

Educattion is kee

so propaganda? making them think that way?

[tovaris]

so propaganda? making them think that way?

No you tech them about everything in detail so that they can make their choice. Me for example know how capitalism (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/album.php?albumid=6195) functions, I know how prices rise and fal; I also know the communis (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/album.php?albumid=6232)t idea and know how a true communist (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/album.php?albumid=6232) system would function. If people know what their choicer are they will make the correct one without being forced, and more and more correct decisions will start drifting toward the political left until finally reaching complete communism (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/album.php?albumid=6232).

[britishboy]

No you tech them about everything in detail so that they can make their choice. Me for example know how capitalism (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/album.php?albumid=6195) functions, I know how prices rise and fal; I also know the communis (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/album.php?albumid=6232)t idea and know how a true communist (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/album.php?albumid=6232) system would function. If people know what their choicer are they will make the correct one without being forced, and more and more correct decisions will start drifting toward the political left until finally reaching complete communism (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/album.php?albumid=6232).

you must give the pros and cons of both otherwise its propaganda.

[tovaris]

you must give the pros and cons of both otherwise its propaganda.

That is what i just said. Give them a choice and teech them about all posibilities and they will make the corect choice.

[Ajmichael]

How do you see it being instaled as a society sistem?


Short answer, I don't... Communism will not work in any state. There always needs to be someone to lead the country and the moment somebody does take charge, the idea of communism is lost. If everyone was equal, somebody would have to decide at what level they were equal, if you bring everyone down to the level of the poor then the poor are unhappy because they are still poor and the rich are unhappy because they have lost everything to the state. Bring everyone up to the level of the rich and, whilst the poor might be happy, the rich will not be as they will no longer be rich, and having worked for their money, it would be mightily unfair. The only system of government that properly works, and I know this is controversial, but it is a single-party state, either that or an absloute monarchy with power limited by a parliament, as was seen in England in the 14th-15th centuries. That is the only way things will ever get done.

Before you all start arguing with me over that for those of you who are, take a good look at the Republic of Singapore, and their government, pretty much a single-party state and currently one of the most stable governments in the world.

[tovaris]

Short answer, I don't... Communism will not work in any state. There always needs to be someone to lead the country and the moment somebody does take charge, the idea of communism is lost. If everyone was equal, somebody would have to decide at what level they were equal, if you bring everyone down to the level of the poor then the poor are unhappy because they are still poor and the rich are unhappy because they have lost everything to the state. Bring everyone up to the level of the rich and, whilst the poor might be happy, the rich will not be as they will no longer be rich, and having worked for their money, it would be mightily unfair. The only system of government that properly works, and I know this is controversial, but it is a single-party state, either that or an absloute monarchy with power limited by a parliament, as was seen in England in the 14th-15th centuries. That is the only way things will ever get done.

Before you all start arguing with me over that for those of you who are, take a good look at the Republic of Singapore, and their government, pretty much a single-party state and currently one of the most stable governments in the world.

The english had a absolute monarchy for a wery short while, the guy lost his head literaly.
Saing you dont want the society to benifit is selfis, if all welth is redistributed everione would leave at the standard of the upper midle class (western). The answer to the state problem would be a total democracy.

[britishboy]

The english had a absolute monarchy for a wery short while, the guy lost his head literaly.
Saing you dont want the society to benifit is selfis, if all welth is redistributed everione would leave at the standard of the upper midle class (western). The answer to the state problem would be a total democracy.

she is queen of the uk, commonwealth and crown countries, she is no dictator AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF US WANT THE QUEEN

[tovaris]

she is queen of the uk, commonwealth and crown countries, she is no dictator AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF US WANT THE QUEEN

Im not talking about the curent monarch read what it sais, what was the king who wanted to be an absolute ruler called and who signed the warent to behead him and when. This is your history man.

[TheMatrix]

Most western monarchs today are purely ceremonial. They hold no real power, and are just there to cut ribbons and attend important happenings both domestically and internationally.

I like the Dutch royal family. They usually do something interesting, which makes your day better when you see or read about it. All real decisions are made in the Parliament and House of Commons, which does things both good and bad, like any government.

But even I see that Communism is not yet possible. Therefore, Socialism, while less ideal, is still better than unregulated capitalism. Do you know what pure capitalism brings?
Well, let me tell you. It has created the Third World. Yes, the Third World and the countries considered part of it are the way they are because of capitalism. Foreign and domestic capitalists have come in and stepped on others -- the Proletariat, our comrades -- to get one thing: cash. And a lot of it. And because the respective governments are bought out or ineffective, this can happen, and you can see it going n today.
Think of any third world country. Search the web to find a picture of a major city there, and what can you see? Factories, pollution, violence, and poverty, among others. Capitalists, foreign ones usually, have come in and destroyed entire communities just so they could impress yet more capitalists("shareholders"). These people, until then, were living quite happily.
The root of the problem, if you'd like, can be traced all the way back to the era of colonisation, when the British and others came in and redivided places like Africa to their liking. Part of the modern-day violence comes from there.

But you capitalists tend to ignore it. And why not, after all, you are benefiting from it! So what if others die? So what if they could have done something amazing? You simply do not care.

[britishboy]

Im not talking about the curent monarch read what it sais, what was the king who wanted to be an absolute ruler called and who signed the warent to behead him and when. This is your history man.

you mean the english civil war, ive studied this and the majority of mps signed the warrant, but they didnt want to they was practically begging the king to stay but give parliament the power, he refused and eventually lost his head, Oliver Cromwell became lord protectot or prime minister and was just as greedy as the old king and planned for his son to take the role of lord protector when he died, this however didn't happen and the old kings son was made king as the nation really wanted a king. stop acting like you know anything. and btw the king who lost his head was an absolute ruler this wasn't the problem the problem was him being greedy and pissing of government and the Scottish

[Harry Smith]

she is queen of the uk, commonwealth and crown countries, she is no dictator AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF US WANT THE QUEEN

The majority of Germans wanted Hitler

[britishboy]

The majority of Germans wanted Hitler

this is going off topic mr mod;) and yeah they may of and your doing the same thing you were just moaning about in the Falklands thread;)

[Harry Smith]

this is going off topic mr mod;) and yeah they may of and your doing the same thing you were just moaning about in the Falklands thread;)

Cough Backseat mod cough

I was merely showing how you brash statement was actually quite weak, and how the idea of support of the masses doesn't prove that your argument is correct in anyway.

[britishboy]

Cough Backseat mod cough

I was merely showing how you brash statement was actually quite weak, and how the idea of support of the masses doesn't prove that your argument is correct in anyway.

haha I wouldn't backseat mod if the mids done there jobs;) just joking and yeah I know millions could support murder, its still illegal I was just saying to matric that she is not a dictator and most of us want her do you agree with this?

[Harry Smith]

haha I wouldn't backseat mod if the mids done there jobs;) just joking and yeah I know millions could support murder, its still illegal I was just saying to matric that she is not a dictator and most of us want her do you agree with this?

The mods do there job, if you have a complaint to make feel free to send me or any others a PM :)

So what if most brits want her, we already agreed that this doesn't further your argument

[britishboy]

The mods do there job, if you have a complaint to make feel free to send me or any others a PM :)

So what if most brits want her, we already agreed that this doesn't further your argument

im fine thanks:p and the definition of democracy is being ruled by the people or the rule of the majority, if most of us support the queen its democracy, however if we all turn republicans and theres no vote etc its not

[Stronk Serb]

im fine thanks:p and the definition of democracy is being ruled by the people or the rule of the majority, if most of us support the queen its democracy, however if we all turn republicans and theres no vote etc its not

But the minority has equal say. The government must listen to their demands and make a compromising solution from which both the majority and the minority will benefit.

[britishboy]

But the minority has equal say. The government must listen to their demands and make a compromising solution from which both the majority and the minority will benefit.

countries are not ruled by minorities

[Stronk Serb]

countries are not ruled by minorities

Yes they are! The government is a minority!

[britishboy]

Yes they are! The government is a minority!

who listen to the majority and national interests, I really feel like im educating a kid whos listenef to conspirators propaganda

[Stronk Serb]

who listen to the majority and national interests, I really feel like im educating a kid whos listenef to conspirators propaganda

Nope. At least half of that stuff is made-up crap. A democratic government is there to serve it's people. Be it the majority or a minority.

[britishboy]

Nope. At least half of that stuff is made-up crap. A democratic government is there to serve it's people. Be it the majority or a minority.

so communists are are a minority in britian, so for simply that reason? and a democratic government does what most people want

[Stronk Serb]

so communists are are a minority in britian, so for simply that reason? and a democratic government does what most people want

So by your logic, if the majority says to kill someone who did not do anything, he should be killed?

[britishboy]

So by your logic, if the majority says to kill someone who did not do anything, he should be killed?

in a democratic government yes as its what the people want, but why would the people want someone who done nothing killed? we dont even have the death penalty

[Harry Smith]

so communists are are a minority in britian, so for simply that reason? and a democratic government does what most people want

No. The people vote and then the government make decisons based on the elecorate. I'm sure everyone would want to 100 quid but the government wouldn't do it. This is the most stupid statement ever,

[britishboy]

No. The people vote and then the government make decisons based on the elecorate. I'm sure everyone would want to 100 quid but the government wouldn't do it. This is the most stupid statement ever,

I know that but I was trying to explain to mike that a democratic government cant listen to everyone as people want different things such as communism or muslim laws, so its impossible to keep everyone happy, and this doesn't make a government un democratic

[Harry Smith]

I know that but I was trying to explain to mike that a democratic government cant listen to everyone as people want different things such as communism or muslim laws, so its impossible to keep everyone happy, and this doesn't make a government un democratic

Well you explained it very badly and then ironically called mike uneducated when in fact your view couldn't of been more incorrect

[tovaris]

you mean the english civil war, ive studied this and the majority of mps signed the warrant, but they didnt want to they was practically begging the king to stay but give parliament the power, he refused and eventually lost his head, Oliver Cromwell became lord protectot or prime minister and was just as greedy as the old king and planned for his son to take the role of lord protector when he died, this however didn't happen and the old kings son was made king as the nation really wanted a king. stop acting like you know anything. and btw the king who lost his head was an absolute ruler this wasn't the problem the problem was him being greedy and pissing of government and the Scottish

Yes the only absolute king.

[britishboy]

Yes the only absolute king.

you think he was the only absolute king? he really wasn't have you herd of the Magna Carta ever since that there has been no real absolute monarch but im sure you knew that?

[Harry Smith]

you think he was the only absolute king? he really wasn't have you herd of the Magna Carta ever since that there has been no real absolute monarch but im sure you knew that?

The Magna carta didn't stop England having absolute monarchs

[britishboy]

The Magna carta didn't stop England having absolute monarchs

it limits there power and you agree there have been many kings/ queens without parliament?

[tovaris]

you think he was the only absolute king? he really wasn't have you herd of the Magna Carta ever since that there has been no real absolute monarch but im sure you knew that?


Yes the MC was the first document but the parliament and earlier institutions also towns didn't tolerate an absolute, while over the canal we have a more and more absolute ruler at that time...
So you see even so much time in the past you were evolving slowly to a more just system why have you stopped? You should go all the way, as should the whole world and evolve into communism.

[britishboy]

Yes the MC was the first document but the parlament and erlier institutions also towns didnt tolerate an absolute, while over the chanal we have a mor and mor absolute ruler at that tieme...
So you seeen even so much time in the past you were evolving sloly to a more just sistem why have you stopped? You should go all the way, as should the whole world and evolve into communism.

africa would work with communism, britian? america? france? germany? these nations it wouldnt work with

[tovaris]

africa would work with communism, britian? america? france? germany? these nations it wouldnt work with

The more the nation is advance the better will the communism work, because people no longer care of themselves in such a way to grab all they can they realise that it is the society that should benifit from all and than they will benifit.

[Harry Smith]

The more the nation is advance the better will the communism work, because people no longer care of themselves in such a way to grab all they can they realise that it is the society that should benifit from all and than they will benifit.

Communism had it's chance to work, it fucked up

[tovaris]

Communism had it's chance to work, it fucked up

Newer,learn your history. Name one commhnist country.
And such a statement ha been answerd before.

[britishboy]

Newer,learn your history. Name one commhnist country.
And such a statement ha been answerd before.
china wants to be communist like you, but it cant because such a state is impossible

[Harry Smith]

Newer,learn your history. Name one commhnist country.
And such a statement ha been answerd before.

The problem is your referring to the rather broad and out of date ideas of Marx. That's the whole idea behind an ideology is that the individual builds on it, just like how Labour doesn't follow the principal of nationalization anymore. Stalin and Lenin turned communism into government. They made it work for a country, you're hanging on to the idea that we're going to adopt true communism-something that has never been done because it doesn't work

[tovaris]

The problem is your referring to the rather broad and out of date ideas of Marx. That's the whole idea behind an ideology is that the individual builds on it, just like how Labour doesn't follow the principal of nationalization anymore. Stalin and Lenin turned communism into government. They made it work for a country, you're hanging on to the idea that we're going to adopt true communism-something that has never been done because it doesn't work

Lenin was a practic while conplectly wromg with the shepperd party idea, stailn was an evil avtocrat, dictator and an antycommunist.

[Harry Smith]

Lenin was a practic while conplectly wromg with the shepperd party idea, stailn was an evil avtocrat, dictator and an antycommunist.

but you agree that they brought communism to government?

[tovaris]

but you agree that they brought communism to government?

No because a one party goverment is not communist and a dictator at power is even les communist.

[Harry Smith]

No because a one party goverment is not communist and a dictator at power is even les communist.

But Communism requires force to work, it requires the repression of the upper class

[tovaris]

But Communism requires force to work, it requires the repression of the upper class

No it requier equalety and freedom to work.

[Harry Smith]

No it requier equalety and freedom to work.

No because people would reject it, they would want to keep there possessions, there houses and there cars. Even the so called Proletariat's of the world have increased wealth. Your idea is about 80 years out of date

[tovaris]

No because people would reject it, they would want to keep there possessions, there houses and there cars. Even the so called Proletariat's of the world have increased wealth. Your idea is about 80 years out of date

Why would people be so selfish?
As i said before education is kee.
Communism will replace this out of date sistem (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=6195&pictureid=33591) we have today, did you watch todays news... protest at europes central bank and other institutions, the crie cor communism isn't jet loud or wery clear but is gettin louder and clerler by the moment.

[Harry Smith]

Why would people be so selfish?
As i said before education is kee.
Communism will replace this out of date sistem (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=6195&pictureid=33591) we have today, did you watch todays news... protest at europes central bank and other institutions, the crie cor communism isn't jet loud or wery clear but is gettin louder and clerler by the moment.

People don't want Communism, they want reformed capitalism.

You have to accept that your idea of communism will never be embraced, it needs to change the fundamental human nature and it would need some sort of Gestapo to maintain it

[tovaris]

People don't want Communism, they want reformed capitalism.

You have to accept that your idea of communism will never be embraced, it needs to change the fundamental human nature and it would need some sort of Gestapo to maintain it

Reformed capitalism doesn't function, Heyek capitalism doesn't function the only sensible option is communism. People would wilingly exapte communism reise the old society tothe ground and build a new better world. The human nature is to work together and acomlishe the goals of the comunaty, it is only the teachings of the west that made us think otherwhise.

[Harry Smith]

Reformed capitalism doesn't function, Heyek capitalism doesn't function the only sensible option is communism. People would wilingly exapte communism reise the old society tothe ground and build a new better world. The human nature is to work together and acomlishe the goals of the comunaty, it is only the teachings of the west that made us think otherwhise.

then why haven't the people rose up and established a Communism rule?

[Stronk Serb]

A socialist society could do for now, befoere we as mankind are mentally ready to embrace communism.

[britishboy]

A socialist society could do for now, befoere we as mankind are mentally ready to embrace communism.

no one with more than one brain cell know communism is something kids believe about everyone waking up one day, completely changing every single thing, but of course no one will mind, to serve humanity...

[tovaris]

then why haven't the people rose up and established a Communism rule?

Because they have been poisoned by western and eastern propaganda, that is why education is key.

no one with more than one brain cell know communism is something kids believe about everyone waking up one day, completely changing every single thing, but of course no one will mind, to serve humanity...

Every educated person knows communism is something good, their opinions of how to achieve however differ.
If you give people a choice between suffering in a unjust world and world of equals the choice is obvious.

A socialist society could do for now, before we as mankind are mentally ready to embrace communism.

Yes a socialist society is a in between stage. A stage when society slowly matures and learns to embrace communism, so that at the very end a stateless society will actually be possible.

[britishboy]

Because they have been poisoned by western and eastern propaganda, that is why education is key.



Every educated person knows communism is something good, their opinions of how to achieve however differ.
If you give people a choice between suffering in a unjust world and world of equals the choice is obvious.



Yes a socialist society is a in between stage. A stage when society slowly matures and learns to embrace communism, so that at the very end a stateless society will actually be possible.

propaganda haha thats funny cos in the west, media is privately owned where as in communism its state owned.... and people risk there lives to escape the big brother state that communism lives in. if I lived in communism I would be depressed, with no chance to succeed, were not ants were people, our soul purpose isnt to protect humanity. when are you gonna wake up and realize communism is idea a kid with no education of economics or experience in the real world

[tovaris]

propaganda haha thats funny cos in the west, media is privately owned where as in communism its state owned.... and people risk there lives to escape the big brother state that communism lives in. if I lived in communism I would be depressed, with no chance to succeed, were not ants were people, our soul purpose isnt to protect humanity. when are you gonna wake up and realize communism is idea a kid with no education of economics or experience in the real world

In a communist country the media is owned by the people.
A communist country is not a big brother state and alowes conplet freedom of movement.
Only in communism everione can succed.
In communisem everione is educated to their abilities and enoth to be able to make their choice.

[britishboy]

In a communist country the media is owned by the people.
A communist country is not a big brother state and alowes conplet freedom of movement.
Only in communism everione can succed.
In communisem everione is educated to their abilities and enoth to be able to make their choice.

I thought all businesses was owned by the state? and if its not its still capitalism? fail.

[tovaris]

I thought all businesses was owned by the state? and if its not its still capitalism? fail.

Everithing in communism is owned ba the people who avatualy no longer need the stae. If everithing is owned by the state we call that state capitalism and is usuali the first ptep towards socialism, it isn't jet communism because in communism no one person or organisation ownes a buisnie, land or other welth.

[britishboy]

Everithing in communism is owned ba the people who avatualy no longer need the stae. If everithing is owned by the state we call that state capitalism and is usuali the first ptep towards socialism, it isn't jet communism because in communism no one person or organisation ownes a buisnie, land or other welth.

just listen to yourself! and as I said were not ants! no one will think like that and can only do bad in western economies, if it aint broken dont fix it

[tovaris]

just listen to yourself! and as I said were not ants! no one will think like that and can only do bad in western economies, if it aint broken dont fix it

Oh but it is brokem my english friend.
mor and mor people think like that

[britishboy]

Oh but it is brokem my english friend.
mor and mor people think like that

please tell me how its broken and im british

[tovaris]

please tell me how its broken and im british

The fixing not broken things is a englis thing.
it doesn't work! thousands of people without work, thousanda starving, people have to rely on charety organisations to stay alive, filthy capitalists rome free and take all that can be taken, the calmon man is abused...
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=6195&pictureid=33583,

[britishboy]

The fixing not broken things is a englis thing.
it doesn't work! thousands of people without work, thousanda starving, people have to rely on charety organisations to stay alive, filthy capitalists rome free and take all that can be taken, the calmon man is abused...
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=6195&pictureid=33583,

in the western world.... I dont care about africa, thats different. my rationality is british. and we have workers rights, and china, the richest country on earth, is communist and do you know which 'broken' country has to send foreign aid?... THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITIAN AND NORTHERN IRELAND! and I think the USA might as well

[tovaris]

in the western world.... I dont care about africa, thats different. my rationality is british. and we have workers rights, and china, the richest country on earth, is communist and do you know which 'broken' country has to send foreign aid?... THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITIAN AND NORTHERN IRELAND! and I think the USA might as well
I am tqlking about the EU! But Africa is a good example how western imperialism and capitalism cam ruin everething.
China is not communist! I have explaned this fact many times before.
Charety doesn't solve the problem it only temporarely relefes a smal part of suffering. The answes is communism to solve our problrms for ever.

[Harry Smith]

please tell me how its broken and im british

your attitude isn't healthy, you should really get 'if it ain't broke don't fix it on a mug'

we need reform, I'll agree with that. We can't just sit back and allow our economies to fall because they haven't broken. That is the fundamental point of Progressive government

[tovaris]

your attitude isn't healthy, you should really get 'if it ain't broke don't fix it on a mug'

we need reform, I'll agree with that. We can't just sit back and allow our economies to fall because they haven't broken. That is the fundamental point of Progressive government

A progresive goverment should work for the good of the people not encresing their suffering.
Say no to the belt tightening thw rich force upon the poor say no to TROIKA (the EU three)

[britishboy]

your attitude isn't healthy, you should really get 'if it ain't broke don't fix it on a mug'

we need reform, I'll agree with that. We can't just sit back and allow our economies to fall because they haven't broken. That is the fundamental point of Progressive government

ow trust me I agree our economy is fucked up, but our social system is fine and doesn't need communism

[Harry Smith]

A progresive goverment should work for the good of the people not encresing their suffering.
Say no to the belt tightening thw rich force upon the poor say no to TROIKA (the EU three)

No, the third way movement encourages internationalism and working with the EU to prosper.

[tovaris]

ow trust me I agree our economy is fucked up, but our social system is fine and doesn't need communism

Communismnwould make what is good even better, would you like free universeties? in communism they are free.

[Harry Smith]

Communismnwould make what is good even better, would you like free universeties? in communism they are free.

Yay, I can get a degree in propaganda.

If in this Communism system everyone gets paid the same then why do I need to learn? I can just be a cleaner rather than being a doctor or a lawyer

[tovaris]

Yay, I can get a degree in propaganda.

If in this Communism system everyone gets paid the same then why do I need to learn? I can just be a cleaner rather than being a doctor or a lawyer

Whatever makes you happy noone would force you.

[Harry Smith]

Whatever makes you happy noone would force you.

so there would be no doctors or lawyers, everyone would do easy jobs

[tovaris]

No, the third way movement encourages internationalism and working with the EU to prosper.

I am talking about the Troika (http://gogreece.about.com/od/Glossary-of-Greek-Terms/g/The-Troika.htm) the: EC, IMF, ECB

so there would be no doctors or lawyers, everyone would do easy jobs

No evarione would do to the best of their ability what they vanted and would be good for the society

[Harry Smith]

I am talking about the Troika (http://gogreece.about.com/od/Glossary-of-Greek-Terms/g/The-Troika.htm)

No evarione would do to the best of their ability what they vanted and would be good for the society

no, humans are lazy. If you offered someone 10 pounds to work as a cleaner or 10 pounds to work as a heart suregeon I reckon 95% of people would go for the cleaner. It's just easier, people don't give a shit about society, they care about them self. Your deluded if you think your wonderland will work

So then what happens in your magical land when there is a lack of skilled professionals? Do you send in the Army to force them to work

[tovaris]

no, humans are lazy. If you offered someone 10 pounds to work as a cleaner or 10 pounds to work as a heart suregeon I reckon 95% of people would go for the cleaner. It's just easier, people don't give a shit about society, they care about them self. Your deluded if you think your wonderland will work

So then what happens in your magical land when there is a lack of skilled professionals? Do you send in the Army to force them to work

You dont get it do you, you have been poisoned by the WE way of thinking. Humans are not lazy everione would somply work to the best of their abilety.
In communism noone is forced to work.

[Harry Smith]

You dont get it do you, you have been poisoned by the WE way of thinking. Humans are not lazy everione would somply work to the best of their abilety.
In communism noone is forced to work.

lool ok.

what would happen if no-one worked then?

where's your proof I've been poisoned by the west? Just because I disagree with you, your argument has no basis. It's just blah blah west propaganda blah blah

[tovaris]

lool ok.

what would happen if no-one worked then?

where's your proof I've been poisoned by the west? Just because I disagree with you, your argument has no basis. It's just blah blah west propaganda blah blah

WE AS IN WEST EST.
Everione would work why would noone work.?
Everione capable of woek would work because they would know that their work is jnportant to society.

[britishboy]

lool ok.

what would happen if no-one worked then?

where's your proof I've been poisoned by the west? Just because I disagree with you, your argument has no basis. It's just blah blah west propaganda blah blah

thats what ive been trying to say:p I just couldnt form it like you:p and matrik please find a source proving modern western propaganda because the only propaganda I can find if fron communist countries that need propaganda to survive

[tovaris]

thats what ive been trying to say:p I just couldnt form it like you:p and matrik please find a source proving modern western propaganda because the only propaganda I can find if fron communist countries that need propaganda to survive

We have alredy coverd the absurd of so caled communist countries.
Western propaganda can be found in your notion that people are lazy and only care about their ases. Also media the likes of BBC, CNN, RTV SLO, Demokracija, Times, your notions about how everione that isnt rich should suffer (not much diferent than the cast sistem)

[Harry Smith]

We have alredy coverd the absurd of so caled communist countries.
Western propaganda can be found in your notion that people are lazy and only care about their ases. Also media the likes of BBC, CNN, RTV SLO, Demokracija, Times, your notions about how everione that isnt rich should suffer (not much diferent than the cast sistem)

we have benefits and a NHS, we protect the Poor. Actually we look after the poor much better than Eastern European countires. We've been based on socialism for about 20 years.

[britishboy]

We have alredy coverd the absurd of so caled communist countries.
Western propaganda can be found in your notion that people are lazy and only care about their ases. Also media the likes of BBC, CNN, RTV SLO, Demokracija, Times, your notions about how everione that isnt rich should suffer (not much diferent than the cast sistem)

they are lead by communist parties, communist flag and formerly recognized as communist so the UNs definition of communism includes them and thats good enough for me and am I talking to by self? SOURCES!

[tovaris]

we have benefits and a NHS, we protect the Poor. Actually we look after the poor much better than Eastern European countires. We've been based on socialism for about 20 years.

And jet people stil need charety to survive, people stil need to beg and people stil need to rely on goverment ade, and are not given a chance.
Who said anithing about the coruption enslaved e europe?
Besides we are not talking abaut your island we are talkng about the world.

they are lead by communist parties, communist flag and formerly recognized as communist so the UNs definition of communism includes them and thats good enough for me and am I talking to by self? SOURCES!

A rule of one person or small grup of them is againced the communist idea.
Sources: Karl Marx...
The UN is no better than the legue of nations (wwI), they would like to do good but are lead by stupid western and lying estern leders.

Don't trust them Man.

[britishboy]

And jet people stil need charety to survive, people stil need to beg and people stil need to rely on goverment ade, and are not given a chance.
Who said anithing about the coruption enslaved e europe?
Besides we are not talking abaut your island we are talkng about the world.

you cant where were talking about and that point was stupid EVERYONE in communism rely on the state..... and for fuck sake SOURCES

[tovaris]

you cant where were talking about and that point was stupid EVERYONE in communism rely on the state..... and for fuck sake SOURCES

Everione relies on everione not the state,
Where are your sources.
More and more people (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=6195&pictureid=33584) round thr world are being wakend by the prospect of communsm.

[britishboy]

And jet people stil need charety to survive, people stil need to beg and people stil need to rely on goverment ade, and are not given a chance.
Who said anithing about the coruption enslaved e europe?
Besides we are not talking abaut your island we are talkng about the world.



A rule of one person or small grup of them is againced the communist idea.
Sources: Karl Marx...
The UN is no better than the legue of nations (wwI), they would like to do good but are lead by stupid western and lying estern leders.

Don't trust them Man.

firstly you sound like a terrorist and I dont give a fuck what Karl says if I say im supreme leader of the universe am i ? NO!! and these are member countries of the UN

www.un.org/en/members/index.shtml
(copy and paste it in your browser)

you say were the victims of propaganda but you clearly are either speaking to a terrorist or listen to propaganda, on you page you have even been kind enough to show us the soviet propaganda you listen to!

[tovaris]

firstly you sound like a terrorist and I dont give a fuck what Karl says if I say im supreme leader of the universe am i ? NO!! and these are member countries of the UN

www.un.org/en/members/index.shtml
(copy and paste it in your browser)

you say were the victims of propaganda but you clearly are either speaking to a terrorist or listen to propaganda, on you page you have even been kind enough to show us the soviet propaganda you listen to!

Communism is againced violance, whole capitalism (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=6195&pictureid=33583) encourages it.
What soviet propaganda?
I find all sorts of anti (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKYI3tkd00) and pro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8ZzVgOwM9w) communism propaganda on the web to know my enamies.
Many countries are members of the un enclding countries like Albania, USA, Belorussia...

[britishboy]

Communism is againced violance, whole capitalism (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=6195&pictureid=33583) encourages it.
What soviet propaganda?
I find all sorts of anti and pro communism propaganda on the web to know my enamies.
Many countries are members of the un enclding countries like Albania, USA, Belorussia...

whats you point, and I honestly feel like im talking to a man whos been told nothing but propaganda and hate and wanna play the photo game, I can to

a child in north korea....
www.un.org/en/members/index.shtml

north korean soilders, whats that behind them....
c7.valuewalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/North-Korea.jpg

[tovaris]

whats you point, and I honestly feel like im talking to a man whos been told nothing but propaganda and hate and wanna play the photo game, I can to

a child in north korea....
www.un.org/en/members/index.shtml

north korean soilders, whats that behind them....
c7.valuewalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/North-Korea.jpg
We have been over this N korea is not communist.

[britishboy]

We have been over this N korea is not communist.

with respect, your a teenager and have no power to say thats its not when its a recognized communist country, it is end of.

[Ajmichael]

The english had a absolute monarchy for a wery short while.

The monarchy in Britain has never truly been absolute, by the time of the Civil War, when Charles I lost his head, there was already a parliament responsible for laws and taxation. No monarch had been able to do as he pleased since the signing of Magna Carta in 1215, the document that essentially created democracy by limiting the power of kings and increasing the power of the people.

[tovaris]

with respect, your a teenager and have no power to say thats its not when its a recognized communist country, it is end of.

The definition Of communism does not alove nk to be communist

The monarchy in Britain has never truly been absolute, by the time of the Civil War, when Charles I lost his head, there was already a parliament responsible for laws and taxation. No monarch had been able to do as he pleased since the signing of Magna Carta in 1215, the document that essentially created democracy by limiting the power of kings and increasing the power of the people.

He ignored the magna carta sothe chopped of his head

[Ajmichael]

I am tqlking about the EU! But Africa is a good example how western imperialism and capitalism cam ruin everething.


Actually, it is since independance that many of the countries in Africa have faced huge problems. Especially when under British control, those people lived under British rulers, with a British way of thinking, and thus they had civil rights. They were not descriminated against because of their skin colour or which tribe they belonged to or anything. If you speak to many people who live in these countries, they actually preferred to live under a foreign power such as Britain, as it also kept them free from civil war and they had a stable and non-corrupt system of government.

[britishboy]

The monarchy in Britain has never truly been absolute, by the time of the Civil War, when Charles I lost his head, there was already a parliament responsible for laws and taxation. No monarch had been able to do as he pleased since the signing of Magna Carta in 1215, the document that essentially created democracy by limiting the power of kings and increasing the power of the people.

smart cookie:p are you royalist or republican?


The definition Of communism does not alove nk to be communist


no your definition doesn't include it

[tovaris]

smart cookie:p are you royalist or republican?




no your definition doesn't include it

The most fundamental definition of communism does not alove one person or a small grup of people to rula all.
Read previous responses.

Actually, it is since independance that many of the countries in Africa have faced huge problems. Especially when under British control, those people lived under British rulers, with a British way of thinking, and thus they had civil rights. They were not descriminated against because of their skin colour or which tribe they belonged to or anything. If you speak to many people who live in these countries, they actually preferred to live under a foreign power such as Britain, as it also kept them free from civil war and they had a stable and non-corrupt system of government.

If they had never enslaved Africa and made artificial borders there would be no problems today

[Ajmichael]

He ignored the magna carta sothe chopped of his head

Actually, he didn't... He ruled within the law but at a time when people were starving, he abused his position and lived a lavish lifestyle whilst ignoring the government on matters of spending. As a result, the government fought against him led by the tyrant, Oliver Cromwell.

Have a read of the history before you start making comments like that.

[Ajmichael]

If they had never enslaved Africa and made artificial borders there would be no problems today

I didn't say that imperial rule in Africa was flawless, and it is easy to say that if European powers had not invaded, there would be no problems, but you cannot be sure of that? There was plenty of tribal warfare that stopped when foreign powers took over. Yes, slavery was an issue in Africa durign the beginning of Imperial Rule in the region, but the people enslaved each other. Capturing of slaves was done by one tribe against another, and they were then traded by European powers. I agree that the slave trade was unforgivable, but as powers realised this, it was outlawed and with it's navy, Britain did more than any other country to end the slave trade. Slaving has been going on for centuries and is still continuing today so it is very Ignorant of you to pin it all on Imperial Expansionism in Africa.

[tovaris]

I didn't say that imperial rule in Africa was flawless, and it is easy to say that if European powers had not invaded, there would be no problems, but you cannot be sure of that? There was plenty of tribal warfare that stopped when foreign powers took over. Yes, slavery was an issue in Africa durign the beginning of Imperial Rule in the region, but the people enslaved each other. Capturing of slaves was done by one tribe against another, and they were then traded by European powers. I agree that the slave trade was unforgivable, but as powers realised this, it was outlawed and with it's navy, Britain did more than any other country to end the slave trade. Slaving has been going on for centuries and is still continuing today so it is very Ignorant of you to pin it all on Imperial Expansionism in Africa.
This is all of topic create new thred.
Europe had a lot of war.
Read the magna carta he broke certan very specific parts.

[britishboy]

This is all of topic create new thred.
Europe had a lot of war.
Read the magna carta he broke certan very specific parts.

yes but thats not why he lost his head:/ dont argue with a brit about britian... idiot

[tovaris]

yes but thats not why he lost his head:/ dont argue with a brit about britian... idiot

Create new thred.
He lost his hed because it was chopped of, It was choppe of because he lost the war, the war was spaked by his actions

[tovaris]

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf.htm

[Ajmichael]

Read the magna carta he broke certan very specific parts.

Magna Carta was not Law in the time of Charles I and as such he had no obligation to follow it. He was forced by parliament to raise taxes without their consent in order to pay for the Thirty Years War happening in Europe at the time as Parliament had restricted the Civil Liberties owed to the King and had stopped payments of customs due from Tonnage and Poundage.

[britishboy]

Create new thred.
He lost his hed because it was chopped of, It was choppe of because he lost the war, the war was spaked by his actions

he was under arrest for a year, everyone was begging him to accept the conditions and be reinstated, he refused and Oliver Cromwell was arguably worse and wanted his son to be lord protector when he died, but the nation wanted a king and when oliver died the old kings son became king

[tovaris]

he was under arrest for a year, everyone was begging him to accept the conditions and be reinstated, he refused and Oliver Cromwell was arguably worse and wanted his son to be lord protector when he died, but the nation wanted a king and when oliver died the old kings son became king

Don't you think this is getting a bit of topic here, start a new thread.

Long live the Socialist World Republic!

[Stronk Serb]

Long live the Socialist World Republic!

Dann steigt aus den Trümmern

Der alten Gesellschaft

Die sozialistische Weltrepublik!

-Erich Weinert

[britishboy]

Don't you think this is getting a bit of topic here, start a new thread.

Long live the Socialist World Republic!

long live? thats a british phrase for the queen and how will something 'live long' when its not born and never will be, its nothing more than an idea

[tovaris]

long live? thats a british phrase for the queen and how will something 'live long' when its not born and never will be, its nothing more than an idea

it is the future.

[britishboy]

it is the future.

dude grow up. our rights for workers is increasingly, no one wants communism, at least not on a big scale, no where near enough ti change a country, let alone the world

[tovaris]

dude grow up. our rights for workers is increasingly, no one wants communism, at least not on a big scale, no where near enough ti change a country, let alone the world

you stil lack arguments to suport your clame that communism shouldnt be

[britishboy]

you stil lack arguments to suport your clame that communism shouldnt be

I shouldnt have to prove it!? communism should be feared it causes nothing but misery, heres abit about our labor laws, and if theres a problem, well fix the problem not change the system to communism!!! if you honestly think communists will succeed, your sadly mistaken

[tovaris]

I shouldnt have to prove it!? communism should be feared it causes nothing but misery, heres abit about our labor laws, and if theres a problem, well fix the problem not change the system to communism!!! if you honestly think communists will succeed, your sadly mistaken

only communism can rid our world of misery and suffering.
It is not only about labour it is about the whole of society and the whole of the world.

[britishboy]

only communism can rid our world of misery and suffering.
It is not only about labour it is about the whole of society and the whole of the world.

really? cos the worst places on earth are recognized communist countries

[tovaris]

really? cos the worst places on earth are recognized communist countries

im not going over this again see previous posts on that topis,
and stop believing the Man ;)

[Green Arrow]

In theory it's a good thing but it hasn't worked in practice. People with power are less likely to give it up.

[Harry Smith]

long live? thats a british phrase for the queen and how will something 'live long' when its not born and never will be, its nothing more than an idea

that phrase isn't exclusive to Britain...

[tovaris]

In theory it's a good thing but it hasn't worked in practice. People with power are less likely to give it up.

so you agree if such a sistem was astablished it would lead to a world that would be much better than is now...

No. Communism as a whole will never work how it is suppose to. The idea of Communism is wonderful! It's a Utopian government! But it won't work due to human nature. So it's not the perfect answer, just another answer.

It will vork when the human race matures.

Merged Double Post. -StoppingTime

[Origami]

It will vork when the human race matures.

The human race can't mature out of wickedness. Bottom line.

There will always be lazy people and people who take advantage of things such as Communism. No government will ever be perfect because it is ran by people, and no person will ever be perfect.

[tovaris]

The human race can't mature out of wickedness. Bottom line.

There will always be lazy people and people who take advantage of things such as Communism. No government will ever be perfect because it is ran by people, and no person will ever be perfect.

“If we have chosen the position in life in which we can most of all work for mankind, no burdens can bow us down, because they are sacrifices for the benefit of all; then we shall experience no petty, limited, selfish joy, but our happiness will belong to millions, our deeds will live on quietly but perpetually at work, and over our ashes will be shed the hot tears of noble people.” -KM

[Origami]

“If we have chosen the position in life in which we can most of all work for mankind, no burdens can bow us down, because they are sacrifices for the benefit of all; then we shall experience no petty, limited, selfish joy, but our happiness will belong to millions, our deeds will live on quietly but perpetually at work, and over our ashes will be shed the hot tears of noble people.” -KM

That's the thing though. Such quotes can not come into fruition as long as wickedness stands in opposition to it. And it's only foolish to say that as a race we can out grow our wicked habits.

[tovaris]

That's the thing though. Such quotes can not come into fruition as long as wickedness stands in opposition to it. And it's only foolish to say that as a race we can out grow our wicked habits.

This is not specific to our species its specific only to our civilisation.

[Origami]

This is not specific to our species its specific only to our civilisation.

Look at any species. It simply doesn't exist. People can not live in perfect harmony with one another. Nothing can. Something will always want more than it has, and it will take it.

[tovaris]

Look at any species. It simply doesn't exist. People can not live in perfect harmony with one another. Nothing can. Something will always want more than it has, and it will take it.

peoplecan there are whole societies that know no conpetition or even childrens games that envolve conpetition

[Origami]

peoplecan there are whole societies that know no conpetition or even childrens games that envolve conpetition

That's because these societies more often than not exist only to themselves and are super small. They don't have law or any government structure at all. Let the group be exposed to the world as a whole, and they too will become corrupt. It's impossible for a nation or species to operate on that same scale.

[tovaris]

That's because these societies more often than not exist only to themselves and are super small. They don't have law or any government structure at all. Let the group be exposed to the world as a whole, and they too will become corrupt. It's impossible for a nation or species to operate on that same scale.

That is the point if we all as the humanety work to a fcalmon goal of a perfect society it will actuly happen.

Thinking that one ideology is the perfect answer, which no ideology ever is, is immature. Communism is good in theory, but can never be practiced well because you forget to factor in common greed.

Firstly there is a question mark.
Secondly greed is taught.

[britishboy]

im not going over this again see previous posts on that topis,
and stop believing the Man ;)

stop believing who?

[tovaris]

stop believing who?

Your countries propaganda.

[Danny_boi 16]

I sory to repet my self but not one country in the world has ever had a communist sistam
Also about the nturalyty, how do you think the first humter gathereg grups and later on comunities functioned if not for naturalyty of communisem?



Don't double post. ~Max
capitalism is arguably in human nature. The act of giving someone this in exchange for another object is capitalism. The hunter gatherer group in prehistoric times we're uncivilized and focused on the group in its entirety. If you look further into difference centuries you will see capitalism the primary use and ideology in several countries and cities states. It is true that no country has ever had an absolute system of communism
however it has been tried. Do not get me wrong here call museum the ideology seems to be a good idea I've studied it's actually I've been required to study it. I have read The Communist Manifesto and the words of Mao Zedong. the problem with communism is that it cannot be implemented successfully by a government. And every single case then call me as I'm has been tried on a large scale it leads to absolute corruption in the political circle. I do enjoy studying communism and communist societies however I not believe call me this AM can fix s really work scale no more well I participate in the acts of communism. for an order to communism to succeed that must be a revolt against the the bourgeoisie and the common man then become that's very they were relovting to change.

[tovaris]

capitalism is arguably in human nature. The act of giving someone this in exchange for another object is capitalism. The hunter gatherer group in prehistoric times we're uncivilized and focused on the group in its entirety. If you look further into difference centuries you will see capitalism the primary use and ideology in several countries and cities states. It is true that no country has ever had an absolute system of communism
however it has been tried. Do not get me wrong here call museum the ideology seems to be a good idea I've studied it's actually I've been required to study it. I have read The Communist Manifesto and the words of Mao Zedong. the problem with communism is that it cannot be implemented successfully by a government. And every single case then call me as I'm has been tried on a large scale it leads to absolute corruption in the political circle. I do enjoy studying communism and communist societies however I not believe call me this AM can fix s really work scale no more well I participate in the acts of communism. for an order to communism to succeed that must be a revolt against the the bourgeoisie and the common man then become that's very they were relovting to change.

A agresive revolt is not realy necesary.
Your writing might be good and the flow of your thaught seems to be clear. Jet you don't seem to be seing the the essence of communism, that has never been in a totalitarium regime, or a no chice society it is about people being able to create their lives regardler of the demands of the "free market". Also you must realize that the shepperd party concept is out of date and modern communists realize that a slow democratic aproche to raising this social sistem to the ground and building a new one. Change is desperatly needed because what we have and are witnesing today is simply so wrong and perverted I can't see how can people alowe themselves to live in such a njust society.

[ollyollyoxenfree]

I advocate for private property and personal interest. Without individual reward there is no motivation for individual success. Business leaders work and strive to succeed and build a successful sovereign business to benefit from their work, not to provide for other citizens who did not work for their own success. A person should be free to peruse their own individual happiness for themselves.

[tovaris]

I advocate for private property and personal interest. Without individual reward there is no motivation for individual success. Business leaders work and strive to succeed and build a successful sovereign business to benefit from their work, not to provide for other citizens who did not work for their own success. A person should be free to peruse their own individual happiness for themselves.

You do realise that single minded personal interest and selfish actions were the things that braught os to the curent situation? Exactly a person should be free! Free do work anivhere they can, acording to their qualification, not to be forced to do something for bear survival.

[TheJaded]

If people stopped abusing Communism, It would actually work, but as with all governments, corruption and power-hungry greed gets in the way. Its been this way throughout history. Watergate Scandal, Roman Republic, Crusades, throughout history there has always been a problem.

[tovaris]

If people stopped abusing Communism, It would actually work, but as with all governments, corruption and power-hungry greed gets in the way. Its been this way throughout history. Watergate Scandal, Roman Republic, Crusades, throughout history there has always been a problem.

Yes it is unfortunate gow they abuse the term comminism and just drow it around.
That is why the world should rise againced these opresors.

[mickeymouse19]

Greetings, comrades:

The idea of communism is good. However, humans are inherently capitalist, as that was and still is a survival instinct of every single species on this planet. Any animal tries to get the most in order to survive, and for humans, to live luxuriously. This cannot easily be changed.

But despair not! Instead of Communism, we can set up a Socialist society and try to limit the evils of capitalism. Fairness for all, ideally.

With all respect, this is a popular myth. Human only lived under capitalism for the past 300 years or so. Tribal societies had primitive communism, even still existing primitive tribes don't know the concept of private property, people lived in small groups and shared everything. This was followed by the much less pleasant slave and feudal socities which were not capitalism. Capitalism is a decidedly modern phenomenon.

Greetings, comrades:

The idea of communism is good. However, humans are inherently capitalist, as that was and still is a survival instinct of every single species on this planet. Any animal tries to get the most in order to survive, and for humans, to live luxuriously. This cannot easily be changed.

But despair not! Instead of Communism, we can set up a Socialist society and try to limit the evils of capitalism. Fairness for all, ideally.

Governments that strictly follow communism fail bause it provides no incentive for hard work or innovation among many other reasons.
I don't believe in absolute equality. I think everyone should have the same opportunities to achieve success, but there clearly are people that are smarter or hard working or naturally talented than others. In life there are always winners and losers and the idea that everyone gets the same thing regardless of effort/skill/talent is ridiculous to me.

The USSR got the first satellite into space. The first man in space as well. My country (Czechoslovakia in those times, we were 1 country before we split up) made one of the first successful heart transplants right after the USA.

Please do not double post, use the multi-quote or edit buttons instead. ~TheMatrix

[Polansek]

If people stopped abusing Communism, It would actually work, but as with all governments, corruption and power-hungry greed gets in the way. Its been this way throughout history. Watergate Scandal, Roman Republic, Crusades, throughout history there has always been a problem.

Yes tha thing is that many people abuse the term communism while doing nothing of the sort.

[mickeymouse19]

Yes tha thing is that many people abuse the term communism while doing nothing of the sort.

This is true, but we must not forget that even the "fake" communist countries did many good things and are not the Mordor of despair and depression many people believe. Every person over 40 in my country has grown up in a "socialist" regime and most of them have something good to say about it, even those who absolutely hated it can find many things that were in fact done better such as full employment, free college education (although being a dissident would disqualify you), programs that modernized really underdeveloped areas etc.

[tovaris]

All the classes are needed for the society.There must not been anyone who cannot have a house and have a work for himself.But a doctor can have a better house;Why not?
Because he is equaly inportant than anyone else. He doesnt need a hottub, swiming pool and trehundred staf.

[britishboy]

Because he is equaly inportant than anyone else. He doesnt need a hottub, swiming pool and trehundred staf.

im assuming you mean three hundred staff, and surly you realise, few doctors have any staff, broken pen is right, the classes are neede

[tovaris]

im assuming you mean three hundred staff, and surly you realise, few doctors have any staff, broken pen is right, the classes are neede

Classes are a desese we should get rid of.

[britishboy]

Classes are a desese we should get rid of.

the rich invest, the poor work, both are needed and what we have is workers rights and thats great, a new system isnt needed

[tovaris]

the rich invest, the poor work, both are needed and what we have is workers rights and thats great, a new system isnt needed

Even in the todays sistem we have examples where workers own the conpanie they work in.
Inwesment of the rich and overprivilaged is not needed if there is no money, and if everione is taken caee of we make investment obsolit.

[britishboy]

Even in the todays sistem we have examples where workers own the conpanie they work in.
Inwesment of the rich and overprivilaged is not needed if there is no money, and if everione is taken caee of we make investment obsolit.

ok who will create the best cars?... for free, who will design and build the biggest sky scraper... for free... the threat of losing your job and money makes you work hard, with out this people will be lazy

[tovaris]

Oh quit your blathering on about communism. You suck that dick more than Lenin and Stalin did combined.



If you have a good argument againced communism lets hear it.n
Lenin was a marxist
Stalin was NOT communist he was a dictator
ok who will create the best cars?... for free, who will design and build the biggest sky scraper... for free... the threat of losing your job and money makes you work hard, with out this people will be lazy

Only a capitalist blinded by present enviorment could think something like that.