Gay Marriage-Tell Me I'm Wrong

[JakePaiv]

Answer one of the following things and begin your answer with the number stated.
1.) I feel that people go overboard when they say something in approval/disapproval of gay marriage. Tell me I'm wrong.
2.) i feel that no matter who is getting married, gay marriage should be legalized, but not forced upon churches. If a church so chooses to marry a gay couple, then so be it. Tell me I'm wrong.
3.) Gays should have the same rights everyone else has. Tell me I'm wrong.

[Harry Smith]

There is already a thread on this issue, it's on the same page haha. I don't think that any of them match my personal view.I mean the fact that we have this need to divide between people who are gay and who are not makes me think of apartheid. We all have the right to marriage and I think that gay marriage should be completely universal.

[Jess]

You're not wrong for #2 and #3 (not sure about #1). I'm in full support of gay marriage.

[Professional Russian]

You're wrong. there i said it. happy?

[Twilly F. Sniper]

I agree with all three points.

[xmojox]

1. As long as people aren't spewing hatred, I don't think it's possible to go overboard discussing any issue.
2 & 3 I totally agree.

[xxPerryPlatypusxx]

I say yes totally legalize it
everybody deserves to enjoy marriage equally
whether is be same sexed or straight
I am totally supportive either way lol

[JakePaiv]

You're wrong. there i said it. happy?

Is this sarcasm (cuz then it's kinda funny)? Or do you really mean it?

[Sir Suomi]

I wish there was a middle choice to meet my opinion. Personally, I'm completely neutral on the subject. While I don't prefer the idea of homosexuality, I've nothing against the LGBT community. If they want to get married, go ahead. I'm just not going to be in a rally for either sides... Now if it came to me voting on whether to vote to allow it or ban it... Hard to say. But like I said, I've nothing against the LGBT community.

[JakePaiv]

I wish there was a middle choice to meet my opinion. Personally, I'm completely neutral on the subject. While I don't prefer the idea of homosexuality, I've nothing against the LGBT community. If they want to get married, go ahead. I'm just not going to be in a rally for either sides... Now if it came to me voting on whether to vote to allow it or ban it... Hard to say. But like I said, I've nothing against the LGBT community.

Please be aware that one day, you might just have to make that choice. One day, people will try to convince you to either side of the battle for gay rights and equality. Why not make that day today...or tommorrow. Why not do what could be done in the future now instead? Legalizing gay marriage and getting equality truly for everyone? That's what this country is all about, right? Every man is created equal?!?!?!

[Apollo.]

Is this sarcasm (cuz then it's kinda funny)? Or do you really mean it?

Dear god! It's sarcasm of course someone was gonna do it! I thought about it and I'm gay!

[Sir Suomi]

Please be aware that one day, you might just have to make that choice. One day, people will try to convince you to either side of the battle for gay rights and equality. Why not make that day today...or tommorrow. Why not do what could be done in the future now instead? Legalizing gay marriage and getting equality truly for everyone? That's what this country is all about, right? Every man is created equal?!?!?!

Trust me, I wish to say as neutral in this subject as long as possible. Don't get me wrong, I think it's quite spectacular to see the LGBT fight for their rights. That much is your right. But I'm also going to use my right, and stay neutral. To many tears have been shed on both sides for me to wish to become involved. When this ends, I will be very grateful.

[Professional Russian]

Is this sarcasm (cuz then it's kinda funny)? Or do you really mean it?

Extremely sarcastic

[xmojox]

On the subject of neutrality when the rights of others are concerned, I would offer this:

Martin Niemöller (1892-1984) was a prominent Protestant pastor who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps.

Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for the quotation:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Just something to think about....

[sprouse530]

i dont believe the issue should be publicly addressed i believe its a personal choice and let everyone do what everyone wants to do

[JakePaiv]

Extremely sarcastic

Great to know! I just know that some people are crazy religious and don't want homosexuality to even exist. Gotta be careful.

Trust me, I wish to say as neutral in this subject as long as possible. Don't get me wrong, I think it's quite spectacular to see the LGBT fight for their rights. That much is your right. But I'm also going to use my right, and stay neutral. Too many tears have been shed on both sides for me to wish to become involved. When this ends, I will be very grateful.

Glad to know that you're: 1.) wanting this fight to end 2.) staying nuetral and not doing anything about #1 & 3.) not caring how your own words sound when you post. (not trying to be rude or anything!!!)

On the subject of neutrality when the rights of others are concerned, I would offer this:

Martin Niemöller (1892-1984) was a prominent Protestant pastor who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps.

Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for the quotation:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Just something to think about....

I'm glad you brought this up and its a great quote, but what are you getting at?

[xmojox]

[QUOTE=Jacob Paivarinta;2206534

I'm glad you brought this up and its a great quote, but what are you getting at?[/QUOTE]

When a government, any government, restricts the rights of its citizens, majority or minority, whether it affects you or not, neutrality isn't an option for any citizen. The next rights to be restricted may be your own.

[JakePaiv]

When a government, any government, restricts the rights of its citizens, majority or minority, whether it affects you or not, neutrality isn't an option for any citizen. The next rights to be restricted may be your own.

Thanx for clarifying! That was a little confusing as to how it related to this conversation. And I completely agree with what you mean this is similar to what I'm thinking.

[xmojox]

Thanx for clarifying! That was a little confusing as to how it related to this conversation. And I completely agree with what you mean this is similar to what I'm thinking.

You're welcome. Sorry for the confusion.

[JakePaiv]

You're welcome. Sorry for the confusion.

Hey no problem! That's basically what this whole fight is. The fact that bi's and gay's can't be joined together in gay marriage wherever they want is f'd up.

[xmojox]

Hey no problem! That's basically what this whole fight is. The fact that bi's and gay's can't be joined together in gay marriage wherever they want is f'd up.

It's legal in 8 states and probably about to become legal in more. The problem is the federal government doesn't recognize them and grant all the benefits that hetero couples get when they're married.

[PinkFloyd]

I think it should be legalized, just that it should be called a different thing. I mean "Marriage" is a sacred thing between a man and a women. If There could be a special name for same sex bondage for life, it'd be perfect in my opinion.

[xmojox]

I think it should be legalized, just that it should be called a different thing. I mean "Marriage" is a sacred thing between a man and a women. If There could be a special name for same sex bondage for life, it'd be perfect in my opinion.

"Seperate but equal" was a concept used in the Jim Crow South as a way around civil rights. Just saying....

[Jasperf]

Answer one of the following things and begin your answer with the number stated.
1.) I feel that people go overboard when they say something in approval/disapproval of gay marriage. Tell me I'm wrong.
2.) i feel that no matter who is getting married, gay marriage should be legalized, but not forced upon churches. If a church so chooses to marry a gay couple, then so be it. Tell me I'm wrong.
3.) Gays should have the same rights everyone else has. Tell me I'm wrong.

Okay I live in New Zealand and homosexual marriage has just become legal. I totally agree with homosexual marriage.
1) yes sometimes people do go overboard
2) marriage does not have to occur in a church and the actual legal side of marriage had nothing to do with religion. And so I don't see how it would be forced upon churches O_o
3)homosexuals do have the same rights O_o homosexual's civil union has exactly the same rights as a duosexual relationships.

I think that you should not use the word gay and instead use homosexual.

[workingatperfect]

Okay I live in New Zealand and homosexual marriage has just become legal. I totally agree with homosexual marriage.
1) yes sometimes people do go overboard
2) marriage does not have to occur in a church and the actual legal side of marriage had nothing to do with religion. And so I don't see how it would be forced upon churches O_o
3)homosexuals do have the same rights O_o homosexual's civil union has exactly the same rights as a duosexual relationships.

I think that you should not use the word gay and instead use homosexual.

2. Most likely people would call it discrimination for a church to refuse to marry a gay couple, so there could possibly, but really not likely, be a law passed stating churches can not deny a couple their marriage services due to sexuality.

3. Civil unions aren't legal in every state, and I don't think they're recognized in every state, as my aunt wasn't allowed to change her last name to her wife's name in her home state, even though they got married in another state.

However, that brings up a question for anyone who paid attention in government class. Isn't there a law, I forget what it's called, that requires states to respect the licenses and legal... things.. of other states? Like how my Ohio driver's license is legal in every other state as well. Does a civil union not fall under that law?

[JakePaiv]

2. Most likely people would call it discrimination for a church to refuse to marry a gay couple, so there could possibly, but really not likely, be a law passed stating churches can not deny a couple their marriage services due to sexuality.

3. Civil unions aren't legal in every state, and I don't think they're recognized in every state, as my aunt wasn't allowed to change her last name to her wife's name in her home state, even though they got married in another state.

However, that brings up a question for anyone who paid attention in government class. Isn't there a law, I forget what it's called, that requires states to respect the licenses and legal... things.. of other states? Like how my Ohio driver's license is legal in every other state as well. Does a civil union not fall under that law?

Thank you for saying this. You basically took the words right from my head. They never even left my mouth. There's not even a simpler way to put it.
Adding to what you said, gay marriage in Michigan isn't legal even after getting married in another state, but other states' driver's licenses are, which is bullcrap. A "straight" marriage is honored any state, but NOPE not a gay marriage.
By homosexuals (& bisexuals) not having equal rights, thats equal rights of marriage and the extra rights that come with it.

[xmojox]

2. Most likely people would call it discrimination for a church to refuse to marry a gay couple, so there could possibly, but really not likely, be a law passed stating churches can not deny a couple their marriage services due to sexuality.

3. Civil unions aren't legal in every state, and I don't think they're recognized in every state, as my aunt wasn't allowed to change her last name to her wife's name in her home state, even though they got married in another state.

However, that brings up a question for anyone who paid attention in government class. Isn't there a law, I forget what it's called, that requires states to respect the licenses and legal... things.. of other states? Like how my Ohio driver's license is legal in every other state as well. Does a civil union not fall under that law?

Article IV, Section 1 of the US Constitition, commonly referred to as the Full Faith and Credit Clause. The way that these states have gotten around that, the best that I can tell at least, is by amending their own constitutions.

[JakePaiv]

Article IV, Section 1 of the US Constitition, commonly referred to as the Full Faith and Credit Clause. The way that these states have gotten around that, the best that I can tell at least, is by amending their own constitutions.
This is basically why I'm leaving Michigan right after college. Otherwise I'd stay no questions asked.

[teen.jpg]

I totally agree with your points.

[xmojox]

This is basically why I'm leaving Michigan right after college. Otherwise I'd stay no questions asked.

Hopefully by then it'll be different. It could all change as early as June when then Supreme Court releases it's decision on the California Prop 8 case and the DOMA case. I believe my state was the first to add the stupid constitutional amendment and i really hope it gets shot down.

[spofarrell]

I want to know where in the Constitution it gives the government the power to regulate marriage. It doesn't! People need to mind their own business!