Stopping Evolution..

[kayleethegray]

A few friends of mine had thrown around the idea that the human race is not allowing evolution occur, not only in humans, but also with animals.

Before I continue with my reasoning, I am not intending on offending anyone, or sounding very Third Reich, i am just proposing the ways we are killing evolution.

So, with that out of the way, hospitals. They keep people alive when they are supposed to be dying, like keeping people that have fatal strains of diseases alive. If Darwin were to walk into a hospital today, he might pull the plug for the evolution of humans, and maybe even fighting against test tube babies. Not that I'm saying that we should kill everyone that is fatally ill, I'm just trying to give you food for thought.

With animals, we are not letting the most environmentally fit animals get the ladies. We are choosing a suitable mate for another animal in zoos, we are artificially inseminating cows so they produce milk. We are trying to be nature, and evolve for the creatures, and that's not how evolution works.

[Horatio Nelson]

Darwin would also be shot and killed if he did said action. I do not believe in evolution it's a silly idea, and we could be here all day talking about it. If you knew someone near dearh from a disease I hope you wouldn't be so heartless towards them.

[Elysium]

Obviously we're interrupting the process of natural selection as we know it, but society's moral standards today tell us that we're doing the right thing by keeping as many people alive as possible, saving animals that would otherwise be dying off, etc. Just because I realize that we're disrupting this natural process, that doesn't mean I'm going to protest the use of medicine or anything like that.

[xxPerryPlatypusxx]

I am against evolution and have no reason to believe in evolution
I believe only in god
we did not come from monkeys. we can from our parents and before that adam and eve and they were created from dust

[Cygnus]

I am against evolution and have no reason to believe in evolution
I believe only in god
we did not come from monkeys. we can from our parents and before that adam and eve and they were created from dust

So you are saying we all came from two people who had a bunch of childs who recurred to incest. And that those two people were created by a magical invisible guy that resides in the sky our of pure dust with no such thing as cells or tissue or organs?

[xxPerryPlatypusxx]

yes that is what I am saying
sorry but I believe in god and i stated that opinion
that did not give you a reason to neg rep me based on my beliefs
you are inconsiderate.

[Harry Smith]

I am against evolution and have no reason to believe in evolution
I believe only in god
we did not come from monkeys. we can from our parents and before that adam and eve and they were created from dust

They either did it with each other or did it with there mother, the whole theory about adam and eve is ridiculous, they had two male children. Cain and Able, so at best they have two sources of reproduction and one female who happens to be there mum. So it would be very hard for them to even create a family taking into account infant mortality rates.

Also how can people be created by dust, you have no evidence that God made people, where as I have evidence that evolution exists. You can's simply dismiss it.

Also I accept your belief in god but you have to be able to justify it. Thats the hallmark of any argument

[Horatio Nelson]

They either did it with each other or did it with there mother, the whole theory about adam and eve is ridiculous, they had two male children. Cain and Able, so at best they have two sources of reproduction and one female who happens to be there mum. So it would be very hard for them to even create a family taking into account infant mortality rates.

Also how can people be created by dust, you have no evidence that God made people, where as I have evidence that evolution exists. You can's simply dismiss it.

Also I accept your belief in god but you have to be able to justify it. Thats the hallmark of any argument

The bible doesn't talk about daughters, Adam and Eve had more than just 3 sons. I'd like you to prove that evolution is fact.

[Sudds3]

I am against evolution and have no reason to believe in evolution
I believe only in god
we did not come from monkeys. we can from our parents and before that adam and eve and they were created from dust

I am catholic and just wanted to state that there are immense amounts of false things in the bible. In the creation stories for example God created light and the stars on different days, well we know that our light comes from the sun. Also, there are 2 different accounts of creation in the bible. So that right there sends a huge red flag up! The creation stories arent saying that God made everything in 7 days, or a few hours based on which story you go by, it is just saying that
1. God created everything
2. God created everything good
3. God gave man dominion
This could mean that God created monkeys and had them evolve into humans, i dont know but the bible is not a set in stone book. It requires a lot of interpretation.

As to the people who would think that Catholics are wrong because the bible has false statements in it, well the church says that the bible does not give historic, scientific, or mathematic truth but it gives religious truth and thats what you must search for when reading.

I have not been educated on evolution yet. I will in about a month as it is the last chapter we cover in my biology class. Therefor i feel that i am not fit to make an assumption about evolution. But with my limited (very limited) knowledge of evolution i feel that it is a very plausible thing to have happened and with invading in natural selection by our advancements in medicine we are interfering. Yet it is for the better and worse of humanity. Better because we can keep people alive longer, and worse because we can keep stupid people alive longer when their stupidity should have killed them off.

Also if you could give a little reasoning onto why you view this topic the way you do it could help the rest of us to understand your reasoning.

The bible doesn't talk about daughters, Adam and Eve had more than just 3 sons. I'd like you to prove that evolution is fact.

With you asking him to prove evolution is fact he might ask you to prove that Catholicism is fact. Well neither are fact. Evolution is a theory and Catgolicism is a religion. The bible says that Adam and Eve had three sons. Cain, Abel, and Seth. Cain killed Abel and Seth had many sons and daughters, one being Enosh. It doesnt say exactly who he had sex with. Cain had sex with his wife and she bore Enoch. Enoch gave birth to Irad, Irad to Mehujael. It doesnt say their wives. Again the bible isnt scientific fact, but religious fact. Adam lived to be 930 years old. Well thats pretty old...it is just saying that with God, anything is possible.\

Double post merged~ Adam

[xxPerryPlatypusxx]

yes and this is the theory I was raised on and thats what I believe
I am not saying that I am against people believing in eveolution I am just saying its not something I quite follow. sure monkeys are smart like humans but does that actually mean we evolved from them.. just like cavemen> apparently they were around during life of the dinosaurs and the ice age etc. thats the only part that confuses me is when did god come into play> Christianity even though its what i believe in really confuses me

[Harry Smith]

yes and this is the theory I was raised on and thats what I believe
I am not saying that I am against people believing in eveolution I am just saying its not something I quite follow. sure monkeys are smart like humans but does that actually mean we evolved from them.. just like cavemen> apparently they were around during life of the dinosaurs and the ice age etc. thats the only part that confuses me is when did god come into play> Christianity even though its what i believe in really confuses me

Many people argue that God doesn't exist. Thats why it's hard to fit him into the life cycle of man. You can't just force him in. There is evidence how man has come from a life form which crawled to then becoming homo erectus creature which was able to fully walk. Look at the fossils

The bible doesn't talk about daughters, Adam and Eve had more than just 3 sons. I'd like you to prove that evolution is fact.

Have you ever studied science? evolution has been strongly supported by the scientific community. Even many christian scientists accept that if you look at the development of man you must accept evoulition.

But sorry you're idea of a man in sky making a women out of a man rib is much more plausible

Double Post Merged~ Adam

[xxPerryPlatypusxx]

ah ok I see
then how was god actually created himself a mysterious being creating all these things but there isn't any scientific evidence to prove his actual existence
thats actually really confusing

[Apollo.]

The bible doesn't talk about daughters, Adam and Eve had more than just 3 sons. I'd like you to prove that evolution is fact.

http://www.nas.edu/evolution/TheoryOrFact.html
Its a hell of a lot more substantial than god created an inbred family of over 6 billion people.

[unnamed94]

there's some things i gotta say:
-evolution is a fact and theory as some say. there data and proof that supports this and its why it is accepted. you cant just say you dont believe in it, just as i cant just go and say i dont believe in heliocentrism
-believing in god and 'believing' in evolution arent mutually exclusive.
- the bible isnt supposed to be taking literally. the whole adam and eve thing never ocured as it is, sudds already explained it better.


yes and this is the theory I was raised on and thats what I believe
I am not saying that I am against people believing in eveolution I am just saying its not something I quite follow. sure monkeys are smart like humans but does that actually mean we evolved from them.. just like cavemen> apparently they were around during life of the dinosaurs and the ice age etc. thats the only part that confuses me is when did god come into play> Christianity even though its what i believe in really confuses me

what if i told you i was raised in the theory that unicorns actually exist. would it make any sense for me to say that i believe in that? would it make any sense to be so close minded that i didnt accept the fact that they dont exist? what if i said that the fact that unicorns dont exist is just something i dont quite follow? not trying to be rude or anything but you should investigate more about this and be open to more ideas, and sometimes this ideas may go against what you have believed in your whole life

to OP: theres a lot to take into consideration. regarding the hospital situation example, theres obviously human rights, etc etc but keeping them alive wont mean stopping evolution in any way. as will said below evolution isnt always positive, meaning it will happen even if we in a certain way get to decide who survives by giving a certain medical treatment. i had a very interesting seminar in school on a topic which has something to do with his, eugenics. i think you would find it very interesting if you like all this discussion.

the situation on animals is different. for example i read somewhere that elephants were evolving smaller tusks (reduced the average size by half or something like that since the 19 century) because poachers were killing those with the bigger tusks. this process could have normally taken thousands of years but due to the particular situation it was in some way accelerated. theres no stopping evolution

[IAMWILL]

In regard to the original topic - the human race has been practically ending evolution for the last few hundred years or so, because who reproduces is now determined almost entirely besides factors not essential to survival. "Survival of the fittest" doesn't apply to the human race anymore, it now seems to be "survival of the hippest". Will we continue to evolve? Yes, because evolution isn't always positive, but I imagine we will evolve slower and become a weaker race.

In regards to the evolution/creation debate - most religions completely accept the theory of evolution. The Catholic Church for example will willingly say the story of Adam and Eve is not true. This makes perfect sense of course if you understand the Catholic Church, because the majority of its teachings are derived from Natural law, which is everything that can be known through reason alone, and not Sacred Scripture. The Church only teaches on issues of faith and morals, and lets science discover and teach everything else. The Bible is essentially a history book with some religious meaning. Not much of the Bible is meant to be taken literally. For example, age in the Bible (especially Old Testament) is generally an indicator of wisdom, not actual chronological age. Every ancient civilization had a creation story, Adam and Eve is just another example of one.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

It's relatively impossible to stop evolution; unless location, food sources, and water supply is consistent. Which could possibly be achievable with higher technologies.