If someone is gay but they're not comfortable being gay, why is it bad...?

[Cicero]

Then why is it bad if they try to become straight, whether its through therapy or other measures?

Growing up, I was always taught by my parents that you should do whatever makes you feel comfortable.

It seems rather hypocritical saying that you should come out as gay, and the community congratulates you, yet if you try to become straight, the community 'shuns' you. Shouldn't the community congratulate you for wanting to be comfortable with yourself?

[xmojox]

Then why is it bad if they try to become straight, whether its through therapy or other measures?

Growing up, I was always taught by my parents that you should do whatever makes you feel comfortable.

It seems rather hypocritical saying that you should come out as gay, and the community congratulates you, yet if you try to become straight, the community 'shuns' you. Shouldn't the community congratulate you for wanting to be comfortable with yourself?

Sexuality isn't a choice. If it were, do you honestly think anyone would choose to be gay?

[workingatperfect]

Most people tend to think that they're ashamed or lying to themselves, or that they're letting themselves be pressured into it. I agree that these cases are a LOT more common then men who actually were meant to be straight and got confused some where along the line. It's also pushing the idea that sexuality is more nurture than nature (implying you can be raised gay when you're supposed to be straight, and be "nurtured" so to speak into be straight again) which is a fairly active debate these days.

[project_icarus]

^^The above is pretty much what have to say to this.
One does not simply become non-gay. Don't get confused between a person who is 'actually' gay, and somebody who is confused (or for whatever other reason) and comes out as gay (when they aren't.)

[Sephtyan]

It's probably because if you say that you identify as gay, and then later turn around and say you don't want to be, or it makes you uncomfortable, then it seems like they don't want people to see them differently, which is pretty much precisely the wrong attitude to have about your sexuality, no matter what that may be. I would agree that feeling uncomfortable with being gay, no matter the circumstances, is pretty odd. If that is who you are, and you don't feel comfortable with who you are....?

[project_icarus]

It's probably because if you say that you identify as gay, and then later turn around and say you don't want to be, or it makes you uncomfortable, then it seems like they don't want people to see them differently, which is pretty much precisely the wrong attitude to have about your sexuality, no matter what that may be. I would agree that feeling uncomfortable with being gay, no matter the circumstances, is pretty odd. If that is who you are, and you don't feel comfortable with who you are....?

That's somewhat what I was trying to say. Thank you.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Sexuality changes; however; only naturally. I can't really explain it but others probably know what I'm referring to. Therapy doesn't change us, only the environment does.

it's like saying if you're not comfortable with your personality why is it bad. No really.

[ImCoolBeans]

You seem to be under the impression that people just choose to be gay. If that were the case then I would not be gay. Most, if not all, gay people have tried to be straight and end up failing. Why do you think we hear about hollywood stars and politicians coming out when they are much older and have already had families? Because they tried to be straight their entire lives and ended up miserable until they came out as gay and could finally start living their lives as who they are. Why would anybody want to live under a facade of lies? Trying to force yourself to be straight when you are in fact gay is a pretty shitty feeling. I know from experience that takes a lot away from your confidence and it makes you feel like you can't ever really be yourself around anybody.

You think it's pretty hypocritical... I think your post is pretty ignorant then.

[Rayquaza]

You seem to be under the impression that people just choose to be gay. If that were the case then I would not be gay. Most, if not all, gay people have tried to be straight and end up failing. Why do you think we hear about hollywood stars and politicians coming out when they are much older and have already had families? Because they tried to be straight their entire lives and ended up miserable until they came out as gay and could finally start living their lives as who they are. Why would anybody want to live under a facade of lies? Trying to force yourself to be straight when you are in fact gay is a pretty shitty feeling. I know from experience that takes a lot away from your confidence and it makes you feel like you can't ever really be yourself around anybody.

You think it's pretty hypocritical... I think your post is pretty ignorant then.

I 100% stand by what is said here by Mike. It may possibly be easier in my life to be gay as I have a camp personality, but I have to deal with people saying that "I'm in denial", "I'm confused" or that "I don't know what straight means". The fact is, I myself am comfortable with being straight because I don't and will not ever have a romantic attraction towards other guys.

It's not hypocritical at all, I think it seems more or less that you have quite a narrow view on something so broad and open.

And hang on a second, aren't these the same parents who you said that they were against being gays, in all those sexuality threads you wrote? And now they say be comfortable? If you were gay, you are comfortable, as you have acknowledged and embraced it. I think that your parents influence have essentially made you into this way of thinking one-way, and you really need to step out.

You also need to remember that communities very from place to place. Some communities would probably do the opposite of what you said, shun those that come out and accept those that have "changed". But I say changed loosely, as we all know becoming a heterosexual person is a surface change, not an internal change.

Sexuality changes; however; only naturally. I can't really explain it but others probably know what I'm referring to. Therapy doesn't change us, only the environment does.

What you're proposing here is the psychodynamic approach to abnormality by Sigmund Freud, suggesting that become orally or anally fixated at an earlier stage before the latent period is the only cause to being non-heterosexual. However it's conflicting here as you're also saying that it changes "naturally", which is not the case, as there will always the beginning of the phallic stage in which you will stay as a sexuality.

Sexuallity doesn't change naturally. You've actually contradicted yourself, it's nature vs nurture. First you say nature, then you say environment and flip over to nurture. Your argument is quite sketchy.

[Smeagol]

I agree with Mike and Sandeep. I wouldn't have chosen to be gay either, just because people treat me like I am worthless. People who are straight acting are just trying to live more comfortable, 'normal' lives without people being horrible to them.

[workingatperfect]

You seem to be under the impression that people just choose to be gay. If that were the case then I would not be gay. Most, if not all, gay people have tried to be straight and end up failing. Why do you think we hear about hollywood stars and politicians coming out when they are much older and have already had families? Because they tried to be straight their entire lives and ended up miserable until they came out as gay and could finally start living their lives as who they are. Why would anybody want to live under a facade of lies? Trying to force yourself to be straight when you are in fact gay is a pretty shitty feeling. I know from experience that takes a lot away from your confidence and it makes you feel like you can't ever really be yourself around anybody.

You think it's pretty hypocritical... I think your post is pretty ignorant then.

Well, in his defense (although I still thinks it's a load of bull) he's talking about the Reparitive Therapy program that is supposed to be for men who were born straight and somewhere along the line grew up to be gay. So rather than just simply saying that these men decide to become straight, they were actually born straight. But I still don't buy it, I mean, if you were truly straight, wouldn't you figure that out? I can understand denying that you're gay, because of the social consequences and personal feelings, but most men and even women would be questioning whether or not they're gay as soon as they think they are, and realize that no, they aren't.

Also, OP, another reason it's looked at as bad is because a lot of men try the therapy and it doesn't work, making them depressed and in some cases suicidal because it furthers the idea that something is wrong with them, if not even therapy can work. Plus there's parents encouraging their kids to go, making the kids feel unwanted or wrong. And the implication that not having a strong male figure in your life can make you gay (because this is the main focus of the program.) If someone wants this therapy, they can get it just as easily from a normal psychologist who will probably be more supportive of want the client really needs and wants than just intent on making them straight. Basically, the program does more bad than good. That's why I and many others see it as a bad thing.

[Lights]

There's a reason reparative therapy continues to be criminalised throughout the West. There's a reason these concentration camp equivalents (non-fatal) are based outside US territories to circumvent US laws. There's a reason these therapies continue to fail categorically.

Sexuality is not a choice; don't make it out to be one.

[Cicero]

You seem to be under the impression that people just choose to be gay. If that were the case then I would not be gay. Most, if not all, gay people have tried to be straight and end up failing. Why do you think we hear about hollywood stars and politicians coming out when they are much older and have already had families? Because they tried to be straight their entire lives and ended up miserable until they came out as gay and could finally start living their lives as who they are. Why would anybody want to live under a facade of lies? Trying to force yourself to be straight when you are in fact gay is a pretty shitty feeling. I know from experience that takes a lot away from your confidence and it makes you feel like you can't ever really be yourself around anybody.

You think it's pretty hypocritical... I think your post is pretty ignorant then.

I said I think it's hypocritical that they get bashed by the community if they try to change their sexuality, but praised if they don't. If that person believes they can change their sexuality, then people shouldn't condemn them for it, they should be supportive of whatever will make them happy.

[Strawberry_Essence]

Although some people may argue your sexuality is not a choice, I believe it can be. I'm bisexual and I chose to be. I believe everyone one is equal and love is love so why restrict who you express it to? I chose this path.

I was open to my sexuality and I received mostly positive comments. But some were kinda negative. Those made me feel like shit. I can understand why someone would want to "convert" themselves to being straight. Why people discourage LGB people to do this, I do not know. It's not their decision anyways.

[canadaski]

I don't see any problem with it. I personally identify with George Takei that everybody is born pansexual/bisexual and life experiences along with brain chemistry pull you one way or another at a point in time. I believe that at all times in a person's life, they are fully capable of being with either sex in a sexual and romantic relationship. Intelligence gives us the ability to experience very powerful emotions unlike life forms with lower intelligence levels.

[randomnessqueen]

its not inherently bad.
trying to change yourself to what youre not is bad.
especially since its usually not genuine, and you just feel uncomfortable with yourself because of society.

[LouBerry]

Sexuality isn't a choice. If it were, do you honestly think anyone would choose to be gay?

Maybe not, but that wasn't really what he meant, I don't think.

I mean, we have people on here all the time that are just curious, maybe dabble a bit here and there, and then decide that they think their probably straight. I think he may be asking why it seems that if you've figured out you're straight, you get picked at a bit more then if you've figured out you're gay.

[xmojox]

Maybe not, but that wasn't really what he meant, I don't think.

I mean, we have people on here all the time that are just curious, maybe dabble a bit here and there, and then decide that they think their probably straight. I think he may be asking why it seems that if you've figured out you're straight, you get picked at a bit more then if you've figured out you're gay.

I understood him to be asking why aren't people applauded when they attempt to ungay themselves, hence, my comment. If my understanding of the OPs meaning was in error, I humbly apologize.

[Appypollylogges]

It's wrong because you aren't being true to yourself.

[britishboy]

I think people should try to make a cure for gays but at the end of the day its not the end of the world

[Rayquaza]

I think people should try to make a cure for gays but at the end of the day its not the end of the world

Why make a "cure" for something that's not a disease, or something that doesn't have a detrimental effect on oneself or other people?

[Croconaw]

Rayquaza is right. No one chooses to be gay or straight. It's a matter of personal preference. If people could choose what sexuality they were, I think a majority would pick straight. This isn't something that can be cured. People just need to learn to deal with things...

[britishboy]

Why make a "cure" for something that's not a disease, or something that doesn't have a detrimental effect on oneself or other people?

a new study has shown gays brains are more like the straight opposit sex, and why not get cured? 1/4 gays in Europe have been bullied and to make them be natural

[Danny Phantom]

a new study has shown gays brains are more like the straight opposit sex, and why not get cured? 1/4 gays in Europe have been bullied and to make them be natural

No actually it is said that the hypothalamus of gay men are smaller than those of straight men, but I don't think that is 100% proven.

"why not get cured?" <- It is not an illness, not a disease dude.
"make them be natural" <- dude it is natural. Sexual orientation is something natural in all human, heck most animal species are homosexual in the majority.
People get bullied for being gay, because those who are the bullies are closed minded, sheltered, ignorant and/or raised the wrong way.

[britishboy]

No actually it is said that the hypothalamus of gay men are smaller than those of straight men, but I don't think that is 100% proven.

"why not get cured?" <- It is not an illness, not a disease dude.
"make them be natural" <- dude it is natural. Sexual orientation is something natural in all human, heck most animal species are homosexual in the majority.
People get bullied for being gay, because those who are the bullies are closed minded, sheltered, ignorant and/or raised the wrong way.

so? if I was gay I would get cured, and wether it is natural is a matter of opinion, of they cant naturally reproduce I dont believe they are natural however I dont dislike gays

[Camazotz]

a new study has shown gays brains are more like the straight opposit sex, and why not get cured? 1/4 gays in Europe have been bullied and to make them be natural

How about changing how people treat each other so they can feel comfortable with themselves? Why should gays have to adapt to others?

so? if I was gay I would get cured, and wether it is natural is a matter of opinion, of they cant naturally reproduce I dont believe they are natural however I dont dislike gays

It's not a matter of opinion; it's a lack of research at this time. It is either natural or it's not; not something that's an opinion.

[Danny Phantom]

so? if I was gay I would get cured, and wether it is natural is a matter of opinion, of they cant naturally reproduce I dont believe they are natural however I dont dislike gays

What do you mean so? You are treating being gay as a disease, it isn't a disease... you can't just be "cured". You are attracted to who you are attracted to at the end of the day. That's all.

[britishboy]

What do you mean so? You are treating being gay as a disease, it isn't a disease... you can't just be "cured". You are attracted to who you are attracted to at the end of the day. That's all.

I know and I doubt there ever will be a cure and its not a disease

[Stronger]

so? if I was gay I would get cured, and wether it is natural is a matter of opinion, of they cant naturally reproduce I dont believe they are natural however I dont dislike gays

I agree with the others, you are treating it like a disease, when its clearly not and what do you mean they can't "naturally reproduce"?

[britishboy]

I agree with the others, you are treating it like a disease, when its clearly not and what do you mean they can't "naturally reproduce"?

cock + ass = no baby and I know its not a disease

[Pure Innocent Nun]

a new study has shown gays brains are more like the straight opposit sex, and why not get cured? 1/4 gays in Europe have been bullied and to make them be natural

Gay is not a disease or a disorder, it shall not be treated as such. I don't know what sort of information you're getting but it's wrong.

[Stronger]

cock + ass = no baby and I know its not a disease

So what's the problem with not reproducing? There are many other options to start a family then just the "natural" way.

[Pure Innocent Nun]

cock + ass = no baby and I know its not a disease

Yes you can't actually make a baby without a male + female, however, couples can still adopt, get sperm donors, egg donors, and a assortment of things to still have babies.

[britishboy]

Gay is not a disease or a disorder, it shall not be treated as such. I don't know what sort of information you're getting but it's wrong.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm

[britishboy]

Gay is not a disease or a disorder, it shall not be treated as such. I don't know what sort of information you're getting but it's wrong.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm

Yes you can't actually make a baby without a male + female, however, couples can still adopt, get sperm donors, egg donors, and a assortment of things to still have babies.

I know that and who cares? I have no problem with gays its just a sexual preference like I prefer blondes

[Danny Phantom]

I know and I doubt there ever will be a cure and its not a disease

You say it isn't a disease, but say it needs a cure.
Cures are for diseases.
You just invalidated yourself.

And what is the big deal with reproducing?
There are other options, like adoption, dude.
And not everyone on this earth wants to have children. (I don't.)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm

I'm a psychology student, and I say, don't read what that says and use it as the basis of your argument.

It studied 90 people, 90 people isn't enough for someone to make an accurate basis and base it on a large population. 90 is too small a number. Another thing with these experiments, there are so many variables that can affect the result of the experiment (called independent and confounding variables).

Sorry for double posting.


Merged. -StoppingTime

[Pure Innocent Nun]

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm

So women should also stop being heterosexual?

[britishboy]

I have no problem with gays people and they have equal rights to us and i agree with them having equal rights

[Stronger]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm



I know that and who cares? I have no problem with gays its just a sexual preference like I prefer blondes

So tell me, where in that article does it say, "We must cure gays", "We must find a cure", it doesn't you keep contradicting yourself saying its not a disease but we should find a cure, just stop while you are a head of yourself.

[Pure Innocent Nun]

I have no problem with gays people and they have equal rights to us and i agree with them having equal rights

You're telling them to get cured?

[britishboy]

You're telling them to get cured?

they cant get cured

[Stronger]

they cant get cured

So why do you keep saying otherwise?

[Pure Innocent Nun]

they cant get cured

o3o you just said "Gays should be cured bla bla bla" which started this whole debate and now you're just saying "They can't be cured".

[Harry Smith]

so? if I was gay I would get cured, and wether it is natural is a matter of opinion, of they cant naturally reproduce I dont believe they are natural however I dont dislike gays

your a fucking twat.

There isn't a cure for being gay, unless you go back to the 1800's and get a couple of electrodes attached to your brain. How you can say you think it's unnatural and then claim not to dislike gays is sickening. We already have enough people on this planet, do we need more? Why should children be the base of our lives?

And despite what you mentioned before Gays do not have equal rights with straight people

[britishboy]

So why do you keep saying otherwise?

they cant get cured medicine cant do that but would be great if it could

[Harry Smith]

they cant get cured medicine cant do that but would be great if it could

Maybe Straight people should get cured then?

Also you stated earlier that they could, you have no idea what your talking about

[Stronger]

they cant get cured medicine cant do that but would be great if it could

You need a cure for your ignorance.

[Pure Innocent Nun]

but would be great if it could

Why would it be great? Why would you be happy that gay people would now be straight? They don't effect you in any way, your life would not change. There would just be a lot more unhappy people.

[Danny Phantom]

You need a cure for your ignorance.

This^

your a fucking twat.

There isn't a cure for being gay, unless you go back to the 1800's and get a couple of electrodes attached to your brain. How you can say you think it's unnatural and then claim not to dislike gays is sickening. We already have enough people on this planet, do we need more? Why should children be the base of our lives?

And despite what you mentioned before Gays do not have equal rights with straight people

And this too^


People with such ignorance are what is wrong with this world, I'm sorry.
Not being rude or offensive, but this why there is conflict all over the world, people cannot be open to things or people that are different. It is really sad.

[britishboy]

Maybe Straight people should get cured then?

Also you stated earlier that they could, you have no idea what your talking about

Why would it be great? Why would you be happy that gay people would now be straight? They don't effect you in any way, your life would not change. There would just be a lot more unhappy people.

I think it would make gay peoples life better I only ever seen one gay person and despite being rich he had no friends, it dont affect me so I dont care and I never stated you could cure it and if I did it was a typo

[Pure Innocent Nun]

I think it would make gay peoples life better I only ever seen one gay person and despite being rich he had no friends, it dont affect me so I dont care and I never stated you could cure it and if I did it was a typo

No it was not a typo, it was your opinion before everyone pointed out it was stupid.

It would not make their lives better, it would make them depressed, but if that's what you want then go ahead, keep spewing your ignorance.

[Stronger]

I think it would make gay peoples life better I only ever seen one gay person and despite being rich he had no friends, it dont affect me so I dont care and I never stated you could cure it and if I did it was a typo

A typo? LOL I don't believe you what so ever, and that is just one person, but do you actually know him, maybe he does have friends and you just don't see it? Remember while it is changing gay rights and all that is still a touchy subject to some and some people just don't believe it in.

[Danny Phantom]

I think it would make gay peoples life better I only ever seen one gay person and despite being rich he had no friends, it dont affect me so I dont care and I never stated you could cure it and if I did it was a typo

Lemme give you a situation,
how would you feel if people said that you needed to be cured because of who you love? If people implied you have a disease because of who you love?

[Troy35216]

Then why is it bad if they try to become straight, whether its through therapy or other measures?
because they can't. If they are really gay (and it's not one of those famous phases) they can't become straight any more than they can change their race thru will power or prayer or therapy. It's "bad" to deny being who you are.

It seems rather hypocritical saying that you should come out as gay, and the community congratulates you, yet if you try to become straight, the community 'shuns' you. Shouldn't the community congratulate you for wanting to be comfortable with yourself?

If you are trying to change who you already are, then you are NOT comfortable with yourself. I think the community (whatever that is) does want you to be comfortable with yourself, but comfortable with yourself AS yourself, not as an artificial version of yourself.

Also, there are all these reports of how harmful this kind of therapy ends up being BECAUSE it doesn't work. and like i said before it doesn't even work. all the people who have done it, even those who said it worked, have later admitted that it didn't and they were just saying it did cuz they wanted it to. that one guy who was the president of the ex-gay thing is now saying he is still gay.

so. it doesn't work. and it's harmful and people who try it anyway are not being true to themself and are not comfortable with themself so that is why people 'shun' them I think.

[britishboy]

Please quote me saying it can be cured bitches

[britishboy]

im pro gay, if a gay is getting bullied, ill be the first to try and help, I was just using my limited experience of gays and that it would be good for them to get cured to avoid bullies and you could also be a Christian or muslim etc, I dont care about gays being gay.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I think it would make gay peoples life better I only ever seen one gay person and despite being rich he had no friends, it dont affect me so I dont care and I never stated you could cure it and if I did it was a typo



Thankfully, you're not the one that gets to decide what makes people's lives better. Gay people can live the same life you do. If you think your sexual orientation makes you superior to them in any way, then you're just a bigot. It's that simple.

So, do you think that person had no friends just because he was gay?

Also, you've said there should be a cure for gay people a bunch of times. You can't write that off as a typo. Homosexuality can't be cured. It's not a disease.

[Pure Innocent Nun]

Please quote me saying it can be cured bitches

No one said you did, you said you think it should be cured, which is what we've been angry with. Please just admit you're wrong and stop being a dolt.

[britishboy]

Thankfully, you're not the one that gets to decide what makes people's lives better. Gay people can live the same life you do. If you think your sexual orientation makes you superior to them in any way, then you're just a bigot. It's that simple.

So, do you think that person had no friends just because he was gay?

Also, you've said there should be a cure for gay people a bunch of times. You can't write that off as a typo. Homosexuality can't be cured. It's not a disease.

I think it would be great for a cure to stop bullies and I know for a fact he had no friends as he didnt shut up about the fact and arnt the Americans the most anti gay? I like gays but think it would be good to have a cure to give them a choice not because it is wrong

[Pure Innocent Nun]

I dont care about gays being gay.

You clearly do.

You think we have half a brain, we have no friends, and that we should be cured.

[britishboy]

No one said you did, you said you think it should be cured, which is what we've been angry with. Please just admit you're wrong and stop being a dolt.

I dont think it should be cured I think a cure should be made available to give them choice

[Danny Phantom]

Thankfully, you're not the one that gets to decide what makes people's lives better. Gay people can live the same life you do. If you think your sexual orientation makes you superior to them in any way, then you're just a bigot. It's that simple.

So, do you think that person had no friends just because he was gay?

Also, you've said there should be a cure for gay people a bunch of times. You can't write that off as a typo. Homosexuality can't be cured. It's not a disease.

Please quote me saying it can be cured bitches

I think it would be great for a cure to stop bullies and I know for a fact he had no friends as he didnt shut up about the fact and arnt the Americans the most anti gay? I like gays but think it would be good to have a cure to give them a choice not because it is wrong

A cure to give them a choice of what? Who they love? You can't choose who you love, sexuality isn't a choice. It is inborn, we discover it throughout our lives.

When it comes to Americans, we are more tolerant than other countries, but we have our fair share of ignorants. At least we aren't killing our citizens for being gay like they do in the Middle East. We have gay marriage being approved in states all across the country (Which in my opinion, should've happened AGES ago.).

[Stronger]

I think it would be great for a cure to stop bullies and I know for a fact he had no friends as he didnt shut up about the fact and arnt the Americans the most anti gay? I like gays but think it would be good to have a cure to give them a choice not because it is wrong

We are not as bad as some other countries but America is rapidly changing.

[Pure Innocent Nun]

and arnt the Americans the most anti gay?

1. What does this have to do with anything?
2. Arnt isn't a word.
3. No Americans are far from the most anti-gay place in the world, there's parts of the world where you would be killed for be gay.

[britishboy]

You clearly do.

You think we have half a brain, we have no friends, and that we should be cured.

I think you should have the power to change and im not saying all gays are bullied but a survey in Europe shown 1/4 gays have been victims of bullying

We are not as bad as some other countries but America is rapidly changing.

true in iran they hang gays and America is one of my favorite countries I love it:)


-please do not double post. -Emerald Dream

[Rayquaza]

a new study has shown gays brains are more like the straight opposit sex, and why not get cured? 1/4 gays in Europe have been bullied and to make them be natural

Get cured? Homosexuality isn't a disease, surely if every single person in this world thought of homosexuality like that, there would be no gay couples, no LGBT community and there would be no homosexuality in animals. But it exists. What study are you on about? Is this by any chance some stupid study you happen to make up by chance? You have given no evidence and you're banging on about it like you're some sort of journalist that looks into this with no conclusive proof. Your entire argument in invalid and weak.

so? if I was gay I would get cured, and wether it is natural is a matter of opinion, of they cant naturally reproduce I dont believe they are natural however I dont dislike gays

But YOU'RE NOT GAY. Of course you would say that, because you don't know how homosexual people feel. I know many homosexual people and they absolutely love their same sex partner.
I know and I doubt there ever will be a cure and its not a disease

Of course there's not going to be a cure. You don't need to cure something. If you know it's not a disease, why are you suggesting a "cure" for it? Cures are meant for diseases and bad mutations or cancers, not for something that makes a person unique. And sexuality just so happens to be that. Besides, what would you even cure? Their personality? Their sexual desires? Imagine if someone tried to take away your sexual desires towards women? You wouldn't like it would you?

cock + ass = no baby and I know its not a disease

No shit, Sherlock. Just because I'm a guy with a dick doesn't mean I have to be able to reproduce. Does that mean I'm 'abnormal' like you're making out to be? Just because they can't have children, it means its something thats shunned by society? And anyway, haven't you head of other methods, such as in-vitro fertilization? Well kiddo you certainly have a fuckload to learn.

I have no problem with gays people and they have equal rights to us and i agree with them having equal rights

And this is the most sorriest attempt I've ever seen of someone tried to save themselves in a debate. Now you're going back against everything you've just said an contradicting yourself over. You've basically just admitted your entire argument is flawed. Surely if you agreed with everything you said you wouldn't want them to have equal rights until they were "cured", but then again everything you say in this god damn forum is backward, and how "selfharm is stupid". Therefore everything that comes out of your mouth, or in this sense, everything you type, is utter balderdash.

[Pure Innocent Nun]

I think you should have the power to change and im not saying all gays are bullied but a survey in Europe shown 1/4 gays have been victims of bullying

Well for starters I can't change since I'm bi there's no switching teams since I'm on both.

There's no one stopping you from "changing" you can still marry a women if you're gay, you just wouldn't be happy.

Yes many homosexuals are bullied, that is the first thing you've said that was correct.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I think it would be great for a cure to stop bullies and I know for a fact he had no friends as he didnt shut up about the fact and arnt the Americans the most anti gay? I like gays but think it would be good to have a cure to give them a choice not because it is wrong


Dude, stop generalizing. Seriously, everytime you quote you're going on about how Americans are this or that. I'm not here to represent America. I'm here to express my individual opinion.

So, how about instead of trying to cure gay people, we focus on stopping bullying? Homosexuals aren't the only people who get bullied. People get bullied because oftheirskin color, ethnicity and religion too. What's next, trying to find a cure for muslims?

Gay, straight, black or white, gay or straight. we're all equal. People just need to get their heada out of their ass and accept it.

[britishboy]

Well for starters I can't change since I'm bi there's no switching teams since I'm on both.

There's no one stopping you from "changing" you can still marry a women if you're gay, you just wouldn't be happy.

Yes many homosexuals are bullied, that is the first thing you've said that was correct.

and thats why I think there should be a cure! if I was gay I would get cured not because im attracted to guys but because of fear of bullying. its like if I had a bad nose I would fix it or if I lost my families money I would try to regain it or if I lost my 6 pack I would try to get it back( I have a shit 6 pack anyway)

Dude, stop generalizing. Seriously, everytime you quote you're going on about how Americans are this or that. I'm not here to represent America. I'm here to express my individual opinion.

So, how about instead of trying to cure gay people, we focus on stopping bullying? Homosexuals aren't the only people who get bullied. People get bullied because oftheirskin color, ethnicity and religion too. What's next, trying to find a cure for muslims?

Gay, straight, black or white, gay or straight. we're all equal. People just need to get their heada out of their ass and accept it.

AGREED!:D the problem isnt the gays its the bullies!!!! thats the only reason I support the cure thingy:p


-please do not double post. -Emerald Dream

[Pure Innocent Nun]

and thats why I think there should be a cure! if I was gay I would get cured not because im attracted to guys but because of fear of bullying. its like if I had a bad nose I would fix it or if I lost my families money I would try to regain it or if I lost my 6 pack I would try to get it back( I have a shit 6 pack anyway)

You shouldn't stop being who you are because of bully's, what if people bullied you for being straight? Does that mean you should be cured?

[Rayquaza]

AGREED!:D the problem isnt the gays its the bullies!!!! thats the only reason I support the cure thingy:p

Are you for real?

So gay people have to fix themselves to satisfy bullies?

[britishboy]

You shouldn't stop being who you are because of bully's, what if people bullied you for being straight? Does that mean you should be cured?

I dont know? my dad used to own alot of land in south Africa and when he went over there he was bullied for being white so it happens to everyone and I HATE bullies and think its terrible to pick on gays thats why I thought it would be good to change them.... I guess you have changed my mind, fuck the bullies be yourself:) thanks for enlightening me:)

[Twilly F. Sniper]

AGREED!:D the problem isnt the gays its the bullies!!!! thats the only reason I support the cure thingy:p

This is contradictory to itself.

[Jess]

AGREED!:D the problem isnt the gays its the bullies!!!! thats the only reason I support the cure thingy:p

Gays can't be CURED, there's no cure and no need for one. This sentence also makes no sense. It's the bullies, not the gays - so why should we have a "cure" for gays?

[britishboy]

Gays can't be CURED, there's no cure and no need for one. This sentence also makes no sense. It's the bullies, not the gays - so why should we have a "cure" for gays?

I dont think they should be cured I think.it would be nice to give them choice and I think the bullies should be imprisoned.

[Harry Smith]

Please quote me saying it can be cured bitches

so? if I was gay I would get cured,I dont believe they are natural however I dont dislike gays

I think people should try to make a cure for gays

This shows you talking about a cure, which doesn't exist and never will. Who's the Bitch now Bitches

[jayyy-lmao]

If you're not comfortable being gay, I don't think you are truly gay.

[Troy35216]

I dont know? my dad used to own alot of land in south Africa and when he went over there he was bullied for being white so it happens to everyone and I HATE bullies and think its terrible to pick on gays thats why I thought it would be good to change them.... I guess you have changed my mind, fuck the bullies be yourself:) thanks for enlightening me:)
if he was bullied for being white then following your logic the obvious solution is he should be cured of being white and then he wouldn't be bullied anymore.

If you're not comfortable being gay, I don't think you are truly gay.
wrong. you have just been brainwashed into thinking there is something wrong with you and that you are going to hell. look at that senator who was arrested in the airport bathroom. 100% gay. 100% uncomfortable being gay and lying like hell about it. jesus christ daniel radcliffe is 5'4" tall and he said he's not comfortable being short. does that mean since he's not comfortable being short he's not truly short? He's just tall but in denial? wtf.

[Stronk Serb]

and thats why I think there should be a cure! if I was gay I would get cured not because im attracted to guys but because of fear of bullying. its like if I had a bad nose I would fix it or if I lost my families money I would try to regain it or if I lost my 6 pack I would try to get it back( I have a shit 6 pack anyway)



AGREED!:D the problem isnt the gays its the bullies!!!! thats the only reason I support the cure thingy:p


-please do not double post. -Emerald Dream

So just because you would get bullied, you would pansy out and be who you are not? I am communist, and in my school, most boys are nationalist asshats who support the Chetnik cutthroats of WWII, the complete opposite movement of the Yugoslav Partisans. I am a communist, and they can kiss my commie ass. I am not afraid of a bunch of pack pansies who failed on extoring me even if there were like 6 of them, and I was alone. To gay teens who are openly gay, it takes a pair of balls to be like that in school, despite of you not being able to withstand the bullying. That is bravery.

[britishboy]

So just because you would get bullied, you would pansy out and be who you are not? I am communist, and in my school, most boys are nationalist asshats who support the Chetnik cutthroats of WWII, the complete opposite movement of the Yugoslav Partisans. I am a communist, and they can kiss my commie ass. I am not afraid of a bunch of pack pansies who failed on extoring me even if there were like 6 of them, and I was alone. To gay teens who are openly gay, it takes a pair of balls to be like that in school, despite of you not being able to withstand the bullying. That is bravery.

it does take balls your right but I dont have them balls and like having friends etc

[Rayquaza]

it does take balls your right but I dont have them balls and like having friends etc

so gay people don't have any friends?

you sir, are sorely mistaken.

[britishboy]

so gay people don't have any friends?

you sir, are sorely mistaken.

I never said that I said I would be hiding it for fear that i might lose my friends

[Rayquaza]

I never said that I said I would be hiding it for fear that i might lose my friends

but most of the world are accepting of gays. and if someone judges you on your sexuality they aren't a good friend.

[Cicero]

I find the following very interesting.

They say, you're born gay and you shouldn't try to change yourself. But why is it that when many guys go to jail, they end up turning gay? When someone goes to jail for a long time, their sexuality changes from straight to gay. So if you're really born with your sexuality, if you go in to a life sentence in jail, as straight as a line, yet end up gay, wouldn't that mean that you're really not born with your sexuality? Yes. It does.

This is an example of when sexuality does change, they're not faking being gay. They actually become gay. I'm not saying everyone who goes to jail does, but it's a pretty common thing to happen.

[Stronk Serb]

I find the following very interesting.

They say, you're born gay and you shouldn't try to change yourself. But why is it that when many guys go to jail, they end up turning gay? When someone goes to jail for a long time, their sexuality changes from straight to gay. So if you're really born with your sexuality, if you go in to a life sentence in jail, as straight as a line, yet end up gay, wouldn't that mean that you're really not born with your sexuality? Yes. It does.

This is an example of when sexuality does change, they're not faking being gay. They actually become gay. I'm not saying everyone who goes to jail does, but it's a pretty common thing to happen.


No, they were just lying to themselves that they are not. When you are in jail, you realize that you can be anyone because you are going to die in jail anyways.

[Origami]

No, they were just lying to themselves that they are not. When you are in jail, you realize that you can be anyone because you are going to die in jail anyways.

Actually, I'm inclined to disagree here. I believe it is very possible for someone to be forced into that lifestyle simply due to their surroundings.

While I don't believe sexuality is a choice, I do believe that you can be forced into it in extreme situations.

[Stronk Serb]

Actually, I'm inclined to disagree here. I believe it is very possible for someone to be forced into that lifestyle simply due to their surroundings.

While I don't believe sexuality is a choice, I do believe that you can be forced into it in extreme situations.

Hooligans here are always shouting to kill gay people (they use more offensive terms). But when they go to jail, they become gay, even though they stated that they hate gay people. So they were either forced to be straight or they were lying to themselves that they are straight.

[Cicero]

Hooligans here are always shouting to kill gay people (they use more offensive terms). But when they go to jail, they become gay, even though they stated that they hate gay people. So they were either forced to be straight or they were lying to themselves that they are straight.

No, if they were straight going to jail, and gay leaving it, it's because of environment. Which means sexuality can be changed. Tuff as nails guys aren't trying to act straight when they go in, they ARE straight, they aren't trying to lie to themselves that they are straight, they ARE straight. Their sexuality changes while in jail, it's common. It's not rare. This proves its not impossible to change your sexuality. I've never believed you are born gay, but I believe that due to my religious upbringing. I believe we are all a blank slate when were born, I believe were all born bi, and it's up to nurture to decide what we become. God is about choices, so it'd only make sense that he would give us a chance to become straight or gay, or stay bi.

[Origami]

Hooligans here are always shouting to kill gay people (they use more offensive terms). But when they go to jail, they become gay, even though they stated that they hate gay people. So they were either forced to be straight or they were lying to themselves that they are straight.

They may have been hiding their sexuality, but it doesn't mean they were. Again, I'd say that in extreme situations even sexuality is changeable by force.

[Stronk Serb]

They may have been hiding their sexuality, but it doesn't mean they were. Again, I'd say that in extreme situations even sexuality is changeable by force.



That is possible when you are in a prison or some place like that.

[Harry Smith]

Hooligans here are always shouting to kill gay people (they use more offensive terms). But when they go to jail, they become gay, even though they stated that they hate gay people. So they were either forced to be straight or they were lying to themselves that they are straight.

This is incorrect, why does everyone assume sexuality is just about the sexual aspect, there is more to be gaying than simply sleeping with men. The reason why men turn to gay sex in prison because it shows dominance and power over someone,the person who is giving it is not seen as gay but merely asserting there dominance. It's all about the lack of female contact and power, they don't suddenly go to prison and become gay

No, if they were straight going to jail, and gay leaving it, it's because of environment. Which means sexuality can be changed. Tuff as nails guys aren't trying to act straight when they go in, they ARE straight, they aren't trying to lie to themselves that they are straight, they ARE straight. Their sexuality changes while in jail, it's common. It's not rare. This proves its not impossible to change your sexuality. I've never believed you are born gay, but I believe that due to my religious upbringing. I believe we are all a blank slate when were born, I believe were all born bi, and it's up to nurture to decide what we become. God is about choices, so it'd only make sense that he would give us a chance to become straight or gay, or stay bi.

If we were born a blank state than why do we have different genes, surely if god wanted us to be blank then we would all be identical, I also think it's pretty hypocritical to mention God in regards to sexuality because you firstly you can't use the idea of a divine creature in turn with science. It's like my saying that Witches caused me to be a gay, just as plausible

[britishboy]

No, if they were straight going to jail, and gay leaving it, it's because of environment. Which means sexuality can be changed. Tuff as nails guys aren't trying to act straight when they go in, they ARE straight, they aren't trying to lie to themselves that they are straight, they ARE straight. Their sexuality changes while in jail, it's common. It's not rare. This proves its not impossible to change your sexuality. I've never believed you are born gay, but I believe that due to my religious upbringing. I believe we are all a blank slate when were born, I believe were all born bi, and it's up to nurture to decide what we become. God is about choices, so it'd only make sense that he would give us a chance to become straight or gay, or stay bi.

I agree what you have said is true but I believe most of the time it is set in the womb

[Cicero]

This is incorrect, why does everyone assume sexuality is just about the sexual aspect, there is more to be gaying than simply sleeping with men. The reason why men turn to gay sex in prison because it shows dominance and power over someone,the person who is giving it is not seen as gay but merely asserting there dominance. It's all about the lack of female contact and power, they don't suddenly go to prison and become gay



If we were born a blank state than why do we have different genes, surely if god wanted us to be blank then we would all be identical, I also think it's pretty hypocritical to mention God in regards to sexuality because you firstly you can't use the idea of a divine creature in turn with science. It's like my saying that Witches caused me to be a gay, just as plausible

I said I personally, yes it's unfair, but it's what I believe. I simply said I believe, it doesn't have to agree with science, cause its what I believe, not what science believes, or you, or the government, but me, myself, and I. I DO believe that we can be genetically geared toward one sexuality, but I don't think genes cause anyone to be gay or straight or whatever. If that were the case, if the father were to be gay, their would be 50% chance their kid would be gay. If a gay father had sex with a gay mother, the child should end up 100% gay, that is, if we went off of "I'm gay cause its in my genes" thing. I do believe people are a little more likely to be one sexuality over another through genes, but I don't think genes make up even half of your sexuality, I believe it'd be more 25% of a factor in your sexuality.

[teen.jpg]

This thread is full of misinformation and lies. Just a mess.

[Harry Smith]

I said I personally, yes it's unfair, but it's what I believe. I simply said I believe, it doesn't have to agree with science, cause its what I believe, not what science believes, or you, or the government, but me, myself, and I. I DO believe that we can be genetically geared toward one sexuality, but I don't think genes cause anyone to be gay or straight or whatever. If that were the case, if the father were to be gay, their would be 50% chance their kid would be gay. If a gay father had sex with a gay mother, the child should end up 100% gay, that is, if we went off of "I'm gay cause its in my genes" thing. I do believe people are a little more likely to be one sexuality over another through genes, but I don't think genes make up even half of your sexuality, I believe it'd be more 25% of a factor in your sexuality.

Just because it's a personal belief doesn't make it any more valid, or even more emotional. It's a stupid belief which is not approved by the scientific community. Genes don't simply work like that, that's like saying since I'm blond there is a 50% chance by child will be blond, you sound like some sort of pseudo homophobe with the gene line, don't worry I'm not going to cause the extinction of the human race.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7456588.stm

Dr Qazi Rahman, a lecturer in cognitive biology at Queen Mary, University of London, said that he believed that these brain differences were laid down early in foetal development.
"As far as I'm concerned there is no argument any more - if you are gay, you are born gay," he said.

I even got an extract, but I'm sure you know more than this professor does....

[Cicero]

Just because it's a personal belief doesn't make it any more valid, or even more emotional. It's a stupid belief which is not approved by the scientific community. Genes don't simply work like that, that's like saying since I'm blond there is a 50% chance by child will be blond, you sound like some sort of pseudo homophobe with the gene line, don't worry I'm not going to cause the extinction of the human race.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7456588.stm

Dr Qazi Rahman, a lecturer in cognitive biology at Queen Mary, University of London, said that he believed that these brain differences were laid down early in foetal development.
"As far as I'm concerned there is no argument any more - if you are gay, you are born gay," he said.

I even got an extract, but I'm sure you know more than this professor does....
You call me a homophobe for not agreeing with you and the science community :rolleyes: ha!

To me, your belief that you are born gay is complete bullshit and stupid.

It's the funniest thing how you can change everything about yourself, except your sexuality, well, according to that stupid theory. The brain is flexible with everything, and so is the body, it's funny you people think that the only thing the brain isn't flexible with is with sexuality. If someone who was gay turned straight, you and the people who believe in your stupid theory say "Oh well, he was just lying to himself!" or "He really wasn't gay, he just thought he was". Which makes absolutely no sense.

Proof you can't be 'born gay' (http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/why-you-cant-be-born-gay/)
Are people really "born gay"? (http://www.citizenlink.com/2010/06/14/are-people-really-born-gay/)

[Harry Smith]

You call me a homophobe for not agreeing with you and the science community :rolleyes: ha!

To me, your belief that you are born gay is complete bullshit and stupid.

It's the funniest thing how you can change everything about yourself, except your sexuality, well, according to that stupid theory. The brain is flexible with everything, and so is the body, it's funny you people think that the only thing the brain isn't flexible with is with sexuality. If someone who was gay turned straight, you and the people who believe in your stupid theory say "Oh well, he was just lying to himself!" or "He really wasn't gay, he just thought he was". Which makes absolutely no sense.

Proof you can't be 'born gay' (http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/why-you-cant-be-born-gay/)
Are people really "born gay"? (http://www.citizenlink.com/2010/06/14/are-people-really-born-gay/)

1) The first source was complete bullshit, look at the content of it. It made homosexuals sounds like we were starting a new world order, it spoke about how a victory would be stopping gay marriage. The source I gave you lacked any bias and only had scientific views where as the purpose of yours was political.
2) My stupid Theory, so you think that some arrogant kid on forum knows more about genetics then a scientist?

Your actually saying that the this is incorrect... Dr Qazi Rahman, a lecturer in cognitive biology at Queen Mary, University of London, said that he believed that these brain differences were laid down early in foetal development.
"As far as I'm concerned there is no argument any more - if you are gay, you are born gay," he said.

Have you done a personal lab trial to debunk it? Have you read through the journal to prove it's wrong? Or does it just say something you disprove of?

Also can you actually answer those 3 questions

[Rayquaza]

To me, your belief that you are born gay is complete bullshit and stupid.


Except, it's not a belief, it's one of the fundamental reasons as to why people are homosexual.

[Troy35216]

No, if they were straight going to jail, and gay leaving it, it's because of environment. Which means sexuality can be changed. Tuff as nails guys aren't trying to act straight when they go in, they ARE straight, they aren't trying to lie to themselves that they are straight, they ARE straight. Their sexuality changes while in jail, it's common. It's not rare. This proves its not impossible to change your sexuality. I've never believed you are born gay, but I believe that due to my religious upbringing. I believe we are all a blank slate when were born, I believe were all born bi, and it's up to nurture to decide what we become. God is about choices, so it'd only make sense that he would give us a chance to become straight or gay, or stay bi.
they change their behavior not their sexuality. closeted gay people who date or even marry the opposite sex are still gay they are just faking it to fit in even if their behavior is straight. trust me. in a men's prison there are no women. so if you are in prison for years or for life and there is zero chance of having sex with a woman then your only chance of having sex is with another guy. the people who have sex in prison don't "turn gay" they are either forcing it on the weaker prisoners or it is being forced on them by the stronger prisoners and it has nothing to do with orientation. it just the physical act. it's just rape is all. i have been on a lot of dates with girls and messed around with them and everything every time we made out i was not even a tiny bit straight.

[Cicero]

1) The first source was complete bullshit, look at the content of it. It made homosexuals sounds like we were starting a new world order, it spoke about how a victory would be stopping gay marriage. The source I gave you lacked any bias and only had scientific views where as the purpose of yours was political.
2) My stupid Theory, so you think that some arrogant kid on forum knows more about genetics then a scientist?

Your actually saying that the this is incorrect... Dr Qazi Rahman, a lecturer in cognitive biology at Queen Mary, University of London, said that he believed that these brain differences were laid down early in foetal development.
"As far as I'm concerned there is no argument any more - if you are gay, you are born gay," he said.

Have you done a personal lab trial to debunk it? Have you read through the journal to prove it's wrong? Or does it just say something you disprove of?

Also can you actually answer those 3 questions

Except, it's not a belief, it's one of the fundamental reasons as to why people are homosexual.

• From the 1991 Hypothalamus (Brain) Study, Simon LeVay, who self-identifies as gay, said: “It’s important to stress what I didn’t find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn’t show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain.” (2)

• And from the 1991 Twins Study, Richard Pillard – also a gay man – admits: “Although male and female homosexuality appear to be at least somewhat heritable, environment must also be of considerable importance in their origins.” (3)

• And from the 1993 X Chromosome Study, Dean Hamer – also a gay man – said: “…environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay…I don’t think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay.” (4)

• And from the 2005 Fruit Fly Study, Barry Dickson, the lead researcher, admitted that the understanding of how innate behaviors are genetically determined is “rudimentary at best.” He also admitted that the male-male courtship behaviors they observed probably involved “environmental and social stimuli” and that the female-female courtship behavior was abnormal – missing some key steps. (5)

• And what about the 2005 male and 2006 female pheromone studies from Sweden that gay activists claimed were more evidence of a biological basis to homosexuality? (Pheromones are chemicals that can be smelled and are known to influence animal behavior. However, their role in humans is unknown.) Here, it is significant that Ivanka Savic, the lead researcher, said that the 2005 study had nothing to do with proving homosexuality to be biological. And regarding the 2006 study, she said “it is very important to make clear that the study has no implications for possible dynamics in sexual orientation.” (6)

• More recently, Dr. Francis Collins, head of the Human Genome Project, summed up the research on homosexuality saying that “sexual orientation is genetically influenced but not hardwired by DNA, and that whatever genes are involved represent predispositions, not predeterminations” (italics added). (7) As a comparison, Collins indicates that the potential genetic component for homosexuality is much less than the genetic contribution that has been found for common personality traits such as general cognitive ability, extroversion, agreeableness, conscientiousness, neuroticism, openness, aggression and traditionalism. (8)


You can suppress genes, and you can even go against genes. Just cause you have the warrior gene doesn't mean you can't not be violent, it just means you are more prone to being violent. That's how genes work. Just cause you think you have a "gay gene" doesn't mean you can't be straight, it just means you are more prone to being gay. Sexuality is just as flexible as personality, they're the same, genes help determine your personality, and your personality can change several times. Additionally, people who actually do have the warrior gene may be very peaceful people, why? Because of how they were raised, it was on Nova that environment has a huge impact on the warrior gene. I do not see how this gay gene could be more special than any other gene in our bodies, so obviously how were raised has an effect on this gay gene.

[Harry Smith]

• From the 1991 Hypothalamus (Brain) Study, Simon LeVay, who self-identifies as gay, said: “It’s important to stress what I didn’t find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn’t show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain.” (2)

• And from the 1991 Twins Study, Richard Pillard – also a gay man – admits: “Although male and female homosexuality appear to be at least somewhat heritable, environment must also be of considerable importance in their origins.” (3)

• And from the 1993 X Chromosome Study, Dean Hamer – also a gay man – said: “…environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay…I don’t think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay.” (4)

• And from the 2005 Fruit Fly Study, Barry Dickson, the lead researcher, admitted that the understanding of how innate behaviors are genetically determined is “rudimentary at best.” He also admitted that the male-male courtship behaviors they observed probably involved “environmental and social stimuli” and that the female-female courtship behavior was abnormal – missing some key steps. (5)

• And what about the 2005 male and 2006 female pheromone studies from Sweden that gay activists claimed were more evidence of a biological basis to homosexuality? (Pheromones are chemicals that can be smelled and are known to influence animal behavior. However, their role in humans is unknown.) Here, it is significant that Ivanka Savic, the lead researcher, said that the 2005 study had nothing to do with proving homosexuality to be biological. And regarding the 2006 study, she said “it is very important to make clear that the study has no implications for possible dynamics in sexual orientation.” (6)

• More recently, Dr. Francis Collins, head of the Human Genome Project, summed up the research on homosexuality saying that “sexual orientation is genetically influenced but not hardwired by DNA, and that whatever genes are involved represent predispositions, not predeterminations” (italics added). (7) As a comparison, Collins indicates that the potential genetic component for homosexuality is much less than the genetic contribution that has been found for common personality traits such as general cognitive ability, extroversion, agreeableness, conscientiousness, neuroticism, openness, aggression and traditionalism. (8)


You can suppress genes, and you can even go against genes. Just cause you have the warrior gene doesn't mean you can't not be violent, it just means you are more prone to being violent. That's how genes work. Just cause you think you have a "gay gene" doesn't mean you can't be straight, it just means you are more prone to being gay. Sexuality is just as flexible as personality, they're the same, genes help determine your personality, and your personality can change several times. Additionally, people who actually do have the warrior gene may be very peaceful people, why? Because of how they were raised, it was on Nova that environment has a huge impact on the warrior gene. I do not see how this gay gene could be more special than any other gene in our bodies, so obviously how were raised has an effect on this gay gene.

Firsly a large number of those sources were out of date, science is rapidly changing thing. We're going to end up just throwing sources at each other, shall we leave it to the professional's?

[Cicero]

Firsly a large number of those sources were out of date, science is rapidly changing thing. We're going to end up just throwing sources at each other, shall we leave it to the professional's?

2005 isn't outdated.

[Harry Smith]

2005 isn't outdated.

I said large number, does anybody read on here...