The reason I stand against abortion.

[WalkingOnDisaster]

From the moment of conception, human development begins and can be influenced by both biological and environmental factors. The prenatal period of development is the period of development between conception and birth. There are 3 stages of prenatal development: germinal, embryonic, and fetal.

The first stage of prenatal development, called the germinal stage, begins at conception and ends when the zygote attaches to the uterine wall (0-2 weeks). A zygote is a fertilized egg. The major achievements that occur during this period are (1) the rapid and differentiated cell division, (2) the increased specialization of cells, and (3) the attachment of the umbilical cord to the placenta. This connection allows the zygote to receive nutrients from the mother, but it also allows harmful agents, such as viruses or drugs to enter the embryo. These harmful agents are called teratogens.

The second stage of prenatal development, called the embryonic stage, begins with the implantation of the zygote to the urine wall, at which time it becomes an embryo, and ends when bones begin to form (2 – 8 weeks). The most important development during this stage is the formation of the major organs, such as the heart, lungs, liver, eyes, and ears. This is a critical time period in development because once cell differentiation is complete it cannot be redone at a later stage. The embryonic stage is often thought of as the most critical period of prenatal development because exposure to teratogens, such as drugs, viruses, and alcohol can negatively effect the development of the vital organs that are forming; organs whose foundations can not be developed at later stages therefore resulting in major defects or malformations.

The third phase of prenatal development, called the fetal stage, begins when the bones begin to ossify, or harden, and ends at birth (8- approximately 38 weeks). Some of the major achievements of growth during this phase include: (1) the hardening of the bones, ossification, (2) rapid growth in size (from 3 inches to approximately 20 inches), (3) hearing (begins at approximately 5 months), and (4) sensitivity to light. By 7 months the fetuses’ digestive and respiratory systems are working and the fetus can survive outside the womb; this is know as the age of viability.



Taken from my Psychology Class, 10th grade

[Harry Smith]

So your fine as long as they have an abortion before 7 months?

[WalkingOnDisaster]

So your fine as long as they have an abortion before 7 months?

No... I am not okay with it at all really. I don't know why, but I just get this feeling in the pit of my gut whenever I think about it that tells me that it's wrong.

[Harry Smith]

No... I am not okay with it at all really. I don't know why, but I just get this feeling in the pit of my gut whenever I think about it that tells me that it's wrong.

What about in cases of rape? or even worse incest related rape? Would you really want the girl to carry the baby?

Taken from the Roe vs Wade case

A pregnancy to a woman is perhaps one of the most important aspects of her life. It disrupts her body. It disrupts her education. It disrupts her employment. And it often disrupts her entire family life.

[WalkingOnDisaster]

What about in cases of rape? or even worse incest related rape? Would you really want the girl to carry the baby?

Taken from the Roe vs Wade case

A pregnancy to a woman is perhaps one of the most important aspects of her life. It disrupts her body. It disrupts her education. It disrupts her employment. And it often disrupts her entire family life.

I know.

What people don't get, though, is that the fetus still is alive. it may not be able to survive without it's mother outside for a few months but it's alive. I don't like the idea of rape, even worse incest rape, but I believe there are better alternatives. Put the child up for adoption. Abortion is NOT the answer.

[Jess]

But if the woman wants an abortion, she shouldn't be denied one. Why should she have to put it up for adoption? She shouldn't have to go through 9 months of pain to have a baby she doesn't want (and is the result of rape) and will give up. It's her decision to make, no one else's.

Also, what if the pregnancy is life threatening to the woman and abortion is the only way to prevent her from dying?

[Harry Smith]

I know.

What people don't get, though, is that the fetus still is alive. it may not be able to survive without it's mother outside for a few months but it's alive. I don't like the idea of rape, even worse rape (from a stranger or incest) but I believe there are better alternatives. Put the child up for adoption. Abortion is NOT the answer.

The fetus is still part of the women's body. The women has the right to abort the baby as long as she does it before 28 weeks, you can oppose that all you want but you have to understand.

What if the women's life is at risk?

That is when abortion is and always will be the answer

[WalkingOnDisaster]

The fetus is still part of the women's body. The women has the right to abort the baby as long as she does it before 28 weeks, you can oppose that all you want but you have to understand.

What if the women's life is at risk?

That is when abortion is and always will be the answer

You can believe that all you want. I stand firm in my beliefs. Abortion is wrong. If the woman cant have the baby the baby is already pretty much dead...

And you tell me. What about the teenagers that have sex without protection and get pregnant? Is it okay then? When they just don't wanna deal with it?

A fetus is a child. A child is a life.

But if the woman wants an abortion, she shouldn't be denied one. Why should she have to put it up for adoption? She shouldn't have to go through 9 months of pain to have a baby she doesn't want (and is the result of rape) and will give up. It's her decision to make, no one else's.

Also, what if the pregnancy is life threatening to the woman and abortion is the only way to prevent her from dying?

Statistics show that only about 9% of rapes (a lot more women than that are raped) end up in pregnancies.
And usually the baby is dead anyway.

I believe there are alternatives to abortion. I mean come on... What did the child ever do to humanity to deserve to not live?


Please do not continue to double post. Use the multiquote feature instead. -StoppingTime

[brodyk15]

I am a pro-choice activist and will always be. One of the main factors that impact my decision is that abortion IS necessary, not in all circumstances, but nevertheless necessary. The life of the fetus does not begin until after birth. Up until this point, the fetus is a parasite to its mother's body, ripping it apart and taking away from it harmfully. Being Pro-choice isn't meaning, "kill all of the babies". It is simply a plea to let the mother decide for herself without the interruption from government, religion, or other personal views.

[StoppingTime]

From the moment of conception,

Taken from my Psychology Class, 10th grade

If you're trying to tell me that the fusion of a sperm and egg cell is a person then I think we've got a problem.

[WalkingOnDisaster]

If you're trying to tell me that the fusion of a sperm and egg cell is a person then I think we've got a problem.

I know many people disagree.

But the thing is... The first two weeks it begins it's life. It doesn't start once it's out of the person.

[StoppingTime]

I know many people disagree.

But the thing is... The first two weeks it begins it's life. It doesn't start once it's out of the person.

>looks for where I said life begins when the baby is born
>can't find it
>RIGHT, it's because I didn't say that.

__

Anyway, that's not a debatable topic. It's scientific fact/evidence/proof/whatever you want to call it that a zygote isn't a person. It's a cell. And yes, different people will call life "life" at different stages, but there's no creditable way that you can say that a person is a person when it is a unicellular zygote.

[RyGar]

So are you pro choice or pro life?
Because from what you are saying, you are pro life.
To me, that is a personal choice, not something the government or anyone else has a say in.
I personally don't agree with abortion just because of unprotected sex, but on principle I want government out of the bedroom and my wallet. I agree with this generally conservative principle preached frequently by the right wing of our political system, yet I struggle to find where they apply this evenly. Do you agree with this, and if so, wouldn't you be pro choice on principle as well.

[Nellerin]

I know.

What people don't get, though, is that the fetus still is alive. it may not be able to survive without it's mother outside for a few months but it's alive. I don't like the idea of rape, even worse incest rape, but I believe there are better alternatives. Put the child up for adoption. Abortion is NOT the answer.

An egg or sperm cell is not a person, and a fetus has more in common with those than it does with a real person.

If you think a fetus is anything special or cherish-able, then male masturbation is A SIN.

This debate is religious not scientific so no one ever wins. But, ya, abortion is and always should be legal.

According to the courts, a fetus is not a person, which is overwhelmingly a fact. :yeah:

But if the woman wants an abortion, she shouldn't be denied one. Why should she have to put it up for adoption? She shouldn't have to go through 9 months of pain to have a baby she doesn't want (and is the result of rape) and will give up. It's her decision to make, no one else's.

Also, what if the pregnancy is life threatening to the woman and abortion is the only way to prevent her from dying?

You can believe that all you want. I stand firm in my beliefs. Abortion is wrong. If the woman cant have the baby the baby is already pretty much dead...

And you tell me. What about the teenagers that have sex without protection and get pregnant? Is it okay then? When they just don't wanna deal with it?

A fetus is a child. A child is a life.



Statistics show that only about 9% of rapes (a lot more women than that are raped) end up in pregnancies.
And usually the baby is dead anyway.

I believe there are alternatives to abortion. I mean come on... What did the child ever do to humanity to deserve to not live?


Please do not continue to double post. Use the multiquote feature instead. -StoppingTime

I know many people disagree.

But the thing is... The first two weeks it begins it's life. It doesn't start once it's out of the person.

[LuciferSam]

I am a pro-choice activist and will always be. One of the main factors that impact my decision is that abortion IS necessary, not in all circumstances, but nevertheless necessary. The life of the fetus does not begin until after birth. Up until this point, the fetus is a parasite to its mother's body, ripping it apart and taking away from it harmfully. Being Pro-choice isn't meaning, "kill all of the babies". It is simply a plea to let the mother decide for herself without the interruption from government, religion, or other personal views.

If by life you mean it's experiences in the world, then yes, it begins at birth. But living tissue is present from the moment of conception, so the fetus IS alive. And on the matter of choice, why doesn't the child get a choice?

[Harry Smith]

You can believe that all you want. I stand firm in my beliefs. Abortion is wrong. If the woman cant have the baby the baby is already pretty much dead...

And you tell me. What about the teenagers that have sex without protection and get pregnant? Is it okay then? When they just don't wanna deal with it?

A fetus is a child. A child is a life.



Statistics show that only about 9% of rapes (a lot more women than that are raped) end up in pregnancies.
And usually the baby is dead anyway.

I believe there are alternatives to abortion. I mean come on... What did the child ever do to humanity to deserve to not live?


Please do not continue to double post. Use the multiquote feature instead. -StoppingTime

Why would you post something so controversial and say that your not going to change your views. Did you really think everyone would just agree with you?

As said by other members a fetus is not a child.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

Basically a woman has three options when she becomes pregnant. Abortion, adoption, or keeping the baby. All three of these options result in consequences. If a woman keeps the baby her entire life could change, depending on the circumstances. Kids are a huge responsibility, so it often conflicts with school, employment, and life in general. On the other hand it is the easy way out, emotionally speaking. Adoption is also a valid option. The problem with this though is that the women must endure the pregnancy and birth, which I've heard is not always the most enjoyable experience. She also will spend the rest of her life separated from her child. Then there is abortion. Abortion is often the easiest way out, physically speaking. Emotionally though a woman may feel awful, for obvious reasons. Everyone reacts differently to their decision. Whether a woman feels relieved to get rid of the child, awful that she aborted, happy that she made a difference by bringing the baby to term and putting it up for adoption, or whether she spends the rest of her life wondering what if, it should be her decision. She should be allowed to make a decision that she knows or thinks she can live with.

Then there is the case of rape. Again, a women should not be forced to endure the pregnancy and birth, if that is her decision. Taking that choice away is like raping her all over again. Now the problem with only giving the option to rape victims is that you often have no way of knowing if they were raped or not. I will not go into victim psychology, but statistically speaking a large percentage of rapes are not reported. If they are not reported then it is likely that medical treatment was not sought. If medical treatment is not sought the evidence of rape is obviously lost by the time the woman realizes she is pregnant. How then does she prove she was raped? Furthermore, would she have to go infront of a judge or a jury and confess every awful detail? If you think abortion should be available to rape victims then you should realize that making it only available to them would have a negative effect.

You believe that abortion is wrong, but others do not. Why would you want to force your beliefs on someone? Scientifically, both arguments can be supported, so it honestly comes down to what a person believes is right. You simply cannot govern based on what you believe is right at the cost of another's rights.

My mother was raped. I have no clue as to whether or not she became pregnant as a result, but I know she was pregnant before she was pregnant with my older sister. My sister was born 2 or 3 years after the rape. My mom told me she had a miscarriage, but it is entirely possible that she actually got an abortion. You have to ask yourself what you would do in that situation. If someone close to you got an abortion or decided to get an abortion would you judge them? If not then you probably shouldn't be judging others that you don't know for a similar decision. I honestly do not care what sort of decision you would make, or what your thoughts on abortion are, but until you walk in some else's shoes, please do not judge them.

[maxx14]

In my opinion a woman should always have a choice, there is a difference between a fetus and a baby/human, and if she needs it because of life threatening conditions I wouldn't deny her, also adoption is not always a good choice.

[Horatio Nelson]

I back you 100% Shawna.

Why would you post something so controversial and say that your not going to change your views. Did you really think everyone would just agree with you?

As said by other members a fetus is not a child.

Yes it fudging is! How can you be so cruel as to say that?!


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[WalkingOnDisaster]

Thank you all for participating in this survey. If you need more advice please ask. I am willing to explain.

You have made my day btw :D


Yes it fudging is! How can you be so cruel as to say that?!

In my opinion a woman should always have a choice, there is a difference between a fetus and a baby/human, and if she needs it because of life threatening conditions I wouldn't deny her, also adoption is not always a good choice.

Basically a woman has three options when she becomes pregnant. Abortion, adoption, or keeping the baby. All three of these options result in consequences. If a woman keeps the baby her entire life could change, depending on the circumstances. Kids are a huge responsibility, so it often conflicts with school, employment, and life in general. On the other hand it is the easy way out, emotionally speaking. Adoption is also a valid option. The problem with this though is that the women must endure the pregnancy and birth, which I've heard is not always the most enjoyable experience. She also will spend the rest of her life separated from her child. Then there is abortion. Abortion is often the easiest way out, physically speaking. Emotionally though a woman may feel awful, for obvious reasons. Everyone reacts differently to their decision. Whether a woman feels relieved to get rid of the child, awful that she aborted, happy that she made a difference by bringing the baby to term and putting it up for adoption, or whether she spends the rest of her life wondering what if, it should be her decision. She should be allowed to make a decision that she knows or thinks she can live with.

Then there is the case of rape. Again, a women should not be forced to endure the pregnancy and birth, if that is her decision. Taking that choice away is like raping her all over again. Now the problem with only giving the option to rape victims is that you often have no way of knowing if they were raped or not. I will not go into victim psychology, but statistically speaking a large percentage of rapes are not reported. If they are not reported then it is likely that medical treatment was not sought. If medical treatment is not sought the evidence of rape is obviously lost by the time the woman realizes she is pregnant. How then does she prove she was raped? Furthermore, would she have to go infront of a judge or a jury and confess every awful detail? If you think abortion should be available to rape victims then you should realize that making it only available to them would have a negative effect.

You believe that abortion is wrong, but others do not. Why would you want to force your beliefs on someone? Scientifically, both arguments can be supported, so it honestly comes down to what a person believes is right. You simply cannot govern based on what you believe is right at the cost of another's rights.

My mother was raped. I have no clue as to whether or not she became pregnant as a result, but I know she was pregnant before she was pregnant with my older sister. My sister was born 2 or 3 years after the rape. My mom told me she had a miscarriage, but it is entirely possible that she actually got an abortion. You have to ask yourself what you would do in that situation. If someone close to you got an abortion or decided to get an abortion would you judge them? If not then you probably shouldn't be judging others that you don't know for a similar decision. I honestly do not care what sort of decision you would make, or what your thoughts on abortion are, but until you walk in some else's shoes, please do not judge them.

Why would you post something so controversial and say that your not going to change your views. Did you really think everyone would just agree with you?

As said by other members a fetus is not a child.

An egg or sperm cell is not a person, and a fetus has more in common with those than it does with a real person.

If you think a fetus is anything special or cherish-able, then male masturbation is A SIN.

This debate is religious not scientific so no one ever wins. But, ya, abortion is and always should be legal.

According to the courts, a fetus is not a person, which is overwhelmingly a fact. :yeah:

So are you pro choice or pro life?
Because from what you are saying, you are pro life.
To me, that is a personal choice, not something the government or anyone else has a say in.
I personally don't agree with abortion just because of unprotected sex, but on principle I want government out of the bedroom and my wallet. I agree with this generally conservative principle preached frequently by the right wing of our political system, yet I struggle to find where they apply this evenly. Do you agree with this, and if so, wouldn't you be pro choice on principle as well.

>looks for where I said life begins when the baby is born
>can't find it
>RIGHT, it's because I didn't say that.

__

Anyway, that's not a debatable topic. It's scientific fact/evidence/proof/whatever you want to call it that a zygote isn't a person. It's a cell. And yes, different people will call life "life" at different stages, but there's no creditable way that you can say that a person is a person when it is a unicellular zygote.

[StoppingTime]

If you'd care to explain, that'd be great

[WalkingOnDisaster]

If you'd care to explain, that'd be great

I am taking a pre-college course. I am suppose to find something I firmly believe in and say something totally irrational about it. Then report the reactions.

[CharlieHorse]

I am taking a pre-college course. I am suppose to find something I firmly believe in and say something totally irrational about it. Then report the reactions.

I don't think VT is the place to be doing psychological experiments on people and toying with serious subject matters.

This is a help site for teens.

[Cicero]

But if the woman wants an abortion, she shouldn't be denied one. Why should she have to put it up for adoption? She shouldn't have to go through 9 months of pain to have a baby she doesn't want (and is the result of rape) and will give up. It's her decision to make, no one else's.

Also, what if the pregnancy is life threatening to the woman and abortion is the only way to prevent her from dying?

Sex is an adult issue, if she cannot handle it then she shouldn't have it. Both the man and woman should have the necessary equipment such as condemns, spermicide, and birth control, the chances of all those failing are so incredibly minute.

It's not just her decision, its also the mans decision.

If its rape or rape incest then they should be able to have an abortion or if it risks the persons health having the baby. But when someone has sex, they should be responsible enough to use precautions. A living fetus/baby shouldn't die for a couples carelessness.

[DerBear]

I don't see the general point in debating about this because really nobody is going to shift their opinion or accept someone else's view point even if evidence and logic prevails as its pure moral choice if you believe in abortion or not with too many influencing factors such as science vs religion.

In my own opinion debating this subject of abortion isn't going to get us anywhere simply because its moral view point. Both sides can present logical information for both and even scientific but generally nobody is going to be too accepting of the others view point. Therefore we do a dance that will never end.

[StoppingTime]

I am taking a pre-college course. I am suppose to find something I firmly believe in and say something totally irrational about it. Then report the reactions.

What you did was entirely inappropriate, and misleading. As mentioned, we aren't the place for your 'polls' seeing as you didn't tell anyone what you were doing. Of course you can do whatever you want once you're offsite, but this is going to end now. :locked: