Is it right to wear fur coats?

[Cicero]

I'll be honest, I'm alright with any coat. Although I'm more supportive with leather, because they use every bit of the cow whereas other furs, they kill the animal strictly for their coat. But nonetheless if I found a nice pair of rattlesnake/alligator/ostrich dress shoes, I would get them (if I could afford them).

[West Coast Sheriff]

I am appalled by killing ENDANGERED animals for their skin, but if their is quite an abundance of that animal I'm cool with it. :D

[Sephtyan]

I'd rather just have the actual animal to curl around me :3

Get myself some nice otter shoulder pads...

[Horatio Nelson]

O_o That's like asking if it's okay to wipe your own butt.

[unknownuser]

I'm fine with furs, leathers, or skins. The real thing really beats the synthetic leather and faux fur crap.

[workingatperfect]

I don't. I'm fine with fake leather and fur, thank you very much. But I rarely even wear fake stuff, just "leather" purses and heels, really. No innocent animal needs to die so I can impress people.

[Ryhanna]

I'm a bit torn on this. I hate the thought of parading around the fur of a dead animal, but then again, I eat meat on a regular basis. Sure, you could argue that meat is eaten for survival and fur is mainly for fashion, but at the end of the day, an animal has still been killed for your consumption.

It's probably unethical to wear fur coats, yes. I just feel fairly hypocritical stating that point, as I'm a meat eater.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

I say not. Because you don't need to kill innocent animals, especially endangered ones, to show how much you can spend on stupid crap that's not even fashionable. Meat purposes is okay because it's necessary for survival.

[Cicero]

I say not. Because you don't need to kill innocent animals, especially endangered ones, to show how much you can spend on stupid crap that's not even fashionable. Meat purposes is okay because it's necessary for survival.

It's fashionable. Just not common because 95% of people don't have $14,000 to spend on a fur coat. My grandpa used to give my grandma fur coats, she probably had like 3 of them that was $4,000 each, which is probably $10,000 in today's age.

But most people who buy them don't buy them for the "in style" or "hip" or "groovy" reasons, they buy them because they personally like them. I never said endangered animals, there are fox furs or seal furs or even ostrich furs, there's also beaver furs available.

[Nellerin]

I'm a bit torn on this. I hate the thought of parading around the fur of a dead animal, but then again, I eat meat on a regular basis. Sure, you could argue that meat is eaten for survival and fur is mainly for fashion, but at the end of the day, an animal has still been killed for your consumption.

It's probably unethical to wear fur coats, yes. I just feel fairly hypocritical stating that point, as I'm a meat eater.

Same here, hard for me to be a meat eater and say that we should never allow fur coats. However, let me put it this way...

Meat has time and time again been shown to be a central part of a healthy person's diet (that is why we are omnivores.) And, fur is one of the best ways to keep warm.

But, in modern day society, we have alternatives to fur that work just as well, but we do not have alternatives to meat.

Had this question been asked 2000 years ago, I would say both are fine, nowadays I see no current standing reason to use fur. 99% of the time it is to show "social standing" which seems horrible doesn't it? At least people eating a hamburger do not parade around as though they are more important.

I say not. Because you don't need to kill innocent animals, especially endangered ones, to show how much you can spend on stupid crap that's not even fashionable. Meat purposes is okay because it's necessary for survival.

Yep that is basically how i feel haha.

[Cicero]

Same here, hard for me to be a meat eater and say that we should never allow fur coats. However, let me put it this way...

Meat has time and time again been shown to be a central part of a healthy person's diet (that is why we are omnivores.) And, fur is one of the best ways to keep warm.

But, in modern day society, we have alternatives to fur that work just as well, but we do not have alternatives to meat.

Had this question been asked 2000 years ago, I would say both are fine, nowadays I see no current standing reason to use fur. 99% of the time it is to show "social standing" which seems horrible doesn't it? At least people eating a hamburger do not parade around as though they are more important.



Yep that is basically how i feel haha.
People who wear fur coats don't always parade around as if they're more important. Some do, some don't. If you can afford such luxuries, then I don't see a problem in it. If you can afford a $10,000 coat, then get it. If you can afford a $500,000 house, then get it. If you can afford a $100,000 car, then get it. People who want to buy fur coats could for a number of reasons, such as to show social prominence, because they love the feel, or because they like the look.

[Cygnus]

I am okay with leather coats since it comes from cows which are far from endangered. Fur coats are more grotesque since it can come from many other animals that are endangered or not meant to have coats made from their skin.

[Southside]

If its wrong to wear fur coats, then its wrong to eat meat right?

[xmojox]

Never worn it, but I bet fur is warm in the winter. I don't see a problem with it.

[Nellerin]

People who wear fur coats don't always parade around as if they're more important. Some do, some don't. If you can afford such luxuries, then I don't see a problem in it. If you can afford a $10,000 coat, then get it. If you can afford a $500,000 house, then get it. If you can afford a $100,000 car, then get it. People who want to buy fur coats could for a number of reasons, such as to show social prominence, because they love the feel, or because they like the look.

1. There is a major issue with someone when they feel that having an animal killed to wear it on themselves is fine.

2. When someone wastes away that much money, their priorities are far from being set straight.

Animals are conscious living beings, and killing them for PLEASURE and not necessity is very cruel and unnecessary.

[Cicero]

1. There is a major issue with someone when they feel that having an animal killed to wear it on themselves is fine.

2. When someone wastes away that much money, their priorities are far from being set straight.

Animals are conscious living beings, and killing them for PLEASURE and not necessity is very cruel and unnecessary.

1. There is not a major issue, you say it's a major one because you disagree. To YOU it's a major issue, whereas to many others, like me, it's not a major issue. Sure it's sad for the animal, but at least someone isn't treating that animal with disrespect by abusing the coat. If they killed the animal, then had a fur coat made, and just utterly ruined the coat intentionally, then yes, that is a major issue. But 99.999999% of fur coat owners aren't doing that, they're taking pride in their coat and taking VERY good care of it

2 To them, they may not have wasted their money. To you they have, whereas someone else might not think so. You only say they need to set their priorities straight because you disagree with it. That $10,000 fur coat to them could be like a $25 coat to you

No one is killing an animal saying "I'm loving this! MURDER, I LOVE KILLING THESE ANIMALS". It's just apart of their job, but the fur coats owner take pleasure in wearing such a luxury.

[Horatio Nelson]

1. There is a major issue with someone when they feel that having an animal killed to wear it on themselves is fine.

2. When someone wastes away that much money, their priorities are far from being set straight.

Animals are conscious living beings, and killing them for PLEASURE and not necessity is very cruel and unnecessary.

Ah, so I'll remind you of this when you're starving and freezing to death.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I don't like wearing fur. It would just make me sad and miserable whenever I wear it. I couldn't stand the thought of parading around in an endangered animal's fur.

[Nellerin]

Ah, so I'll remind you of this when you're starving and freezing to death.

Why would I be freezing to death by not wearing fur, most clothes aren't made of it...hahah?:yeah:

1. There is not a major issue, you say it's a major one because you disagree. To YOU it's a major issue, whereas to many others, like me, it's not a major issue. Sure it's sad for the animal, but at least someone isn't treating that animal with disrespect by abusing the coat. If they killed the animal, then had a fur coat made, and just utterly ruined the coat intentionally, then yes, that is a major issue. But 99.999999% of fur coat owners aren't doing that, they're taking pride in their coat and taking VERY good care of it

2 To them, they may not have wasted their money. To you they have, whereas someone else might not think so. You only say they need to set their priorities straight because you disagree with it. That $10,000 fur coat to them could be like a $25 coat to you

No one is killing an animal saying "I'm loving this! MURDER, I LOVE KILLING THESE ANIMALS". It's just apart of their job, but the fur coats owner take pleasure in wearing such a luxury.

Why kill something that did not harm just for pleasure? That is sick.


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[Cicero]

Why kill something that did not harm just for pleasure? That is sick.

They don't kill for pleasure. Once again, this argument is foolish. Why kill animals for their meat? To eat. Why kill animals for their skin/fur? To wear. Wanna make another foolish comment hahah :yeah:

Obviously I proved you wrong on your foolish argument of:
When someone wastes away that much money, their priorities are far from being set straight.

People want to wear fur coats because of how it feels, how it looks, and probably because of the status it has. It's luxurious owning a Mink Coat, or a Rabbit coat. It's the same reason wealthy people buy cars like Mercedes, Rolls Royce, etc.

They buy that stuff cause they want to and they can. So if you can afford it and its something you want, then why not?

[Jess]

I'm against wearing fur coats of endangered animals....leather is fine though

[Cicero]

I'm against wearing fur coats of endangered animals....leather is fine though

Mink, rabbit, fox, alligator, beaver isn't endangered, so they're ok do you believe?

[Nellerin]

They don't kill for pleasure. Once again, this argument is foolish. Why kill animals for their meat? To eat. Why kill animals for their skin/fur? To wear. Wanna make another foolish comment hahah :yeah:

Obviously I proved you wrong on your foolish argument of:


It is for pleasure, anything not necessary is pleasure, you need meat to be healthy therefore it is a necessity but you never need fur. So yep, getting it because it looks good = killing an animal to attain pleasure.

By the way, nice neg rep, talk about mature idiot :)

[Cicero]

It is for pleasure, anything not necessary is pleasure, you need meat to be healthy therefore it is a necessity but you never need fur. So yep, getting it because it looks good = killing an animal to attain pleasure.

By the way, nice neg rep, talk about mature idiot :)

So since your parents own a car, they own it for pleasure? Cause a car isn't necessary. So you having a bed is for pleasure? Cause a bed isn't necessary. You owning a shirt is for pleasure? Cause you don't need a shirt.

Thank you:) and thank you for your revenge rep you gave me a few hours later:)

[Nellerin]

So since your parents own a car, they own it for pleasure? Cause a car isn't necessary. So you having a bed is for pleasure? Cause a bed isn't necessary. You owning a shirt is for pleasure? Cause you don't need a shirt.

Thank you:) and thank you for your revenge rep you gave me a few hours later:)

I haven't neg or plus repped people for days, want a screenshot of my user cp?

Idiot

To live in modern society in the healthiest and most productive way you need a bed, a shirt and a car. Fairly common knowledge, what will someone do if they have to work an hour away... walk? :yes:

A fur coat can be replaced easily with a less gruesome alternative.

[StoppingTime]

The name calling and "revenge rep" by both of you is childish and stupid. Stop, or the thread will be locked, and you'll both be infracted.

[Nellerin]

The name calling and "revenge rep" by both of you is childish and stupid. Stop, or the thread will be locked, and you'll both be infracted.

I havent repped down anybody, please don't insult me until looking at my account first. Haven't done anything to him, whereas he did neg rep me.

So is he childish, yes.

Am I, no ... I didn't revenge rep.

[StoppingTime]

I havent repped down anybody, please don't insult me until looking at my account first. Haven't done anything to him, whereas he did neg rep me.

So is he childish, yes.

Am I, no ... I didn't revenge rep.

I checked both accounts before posting that, and it was a general statement for both of you (or, if you'd like to take it, a warning). It's not your place to name call (as you did previously), nor his, nor anyone's. So stop dragging this thread offcourse, and PM me if you'd like.

[Nellerin]

I checked both accounts before posting that, and it was a general statement for both of you (or, if you'd like to take it, a warning). It's not your place to name call (as you did previously), nor his, nor anyone's. So stop dragging this thread offcourse, and PM me if you'd like.

A general statement covering just two people?

You said "revenge rep by both of you" so that's false lol, hence my response.

[Cicero]

I haven't neg or plus repped people for days, want a screenshot of my user cp?

Idiot

To live in modern society in the healthiest and most productive way you need a bed, a shirt and a car. Fairly common knowledge, what will someone do if they have to work an hour away... walk? :yes:

A fur coat can be replaced easily with a less gruesome alternative.

Ever heard a a bus, taxi, or carpool? Guess not :rolleyes:

Ever heard of a cot or a couch. Those are both alternatives to a bed.

Name calling again? Wow, you're very immature :lol:

[Human]

I'm not really bothered as long as the animal isn't rare or endangered...

[Nellerin]

Ever heard a a bus, taxi, or carpool? Guess not :rolleyes:

Ever heard of a cot or a couch. Those are both alternatives to a bed.

Name calling again? Wow, you're very immature :lol:

Too bad it is 10x less convenient to use public transportation, most people could not do that when accommodating busy schedules.

And how is a cot that much different from a bed, in terms of fur on coats, that's like comparing a coat made with fox fur to one made with tiger fur.

I'm talking about using a bed or sleeping on the floor not just substitution for practically the same thing.

[Cicero]

Too bad it is 10x less convenient to use public transportation, most people could not do that when accommodating busy schedules.

And how is a cot that much different from a bed, in terms of fur on coats, that's like comparing a coat made with fox fur to one made with tiger fur.

I'm talking about using a bed or sleeping on the floor not just substitution for practically the same thing.

How's it less convenient? The bus goes buy every 30 minutes or so.

[Youmadbro]

I am an animal nut, so excuse me for saying this... I hate fur coats, leather shoes or whatever. I find it gross. There are plenty of other things to wear. Woll, for example. They don't kill the freakin' sheep. He just gets shaved. Sheered? I know it's one of them.
I love animals too much maybe... But I find it wrong.

[CaliforniaMatt]

I have no problem wearing fur or hunting. It's the web of life. If there was a predator above me, I have no problem being a human-skin coat. It's how the world is.

[CastigateMe]

I don't really see a problem with it, if that's what you want to do, it's your personal choice.

Me, I could never stand the thought of wearing a dead animal, which is why all of my leather is fake. I like the look of it, most of the time, I just don't like the thought of wearing a dead animal. It's one of those things I can be a bit "silly" about sometimes.

To each their own though.

[CaliforniaMatt]

What's interesting is a car's leather interior. My mom's Jag has plush leather seats and sheepskin mats- where do all these animal skins come from?

[Cicero]

What's interesting is a car's leather interior. My mom's Jag has plush leather seats and sheepskin mats- where do all these animal skins come from?

Oh. My. Fucking. God.

I just had an orgasm hearing that lol

My dad has a Jaguar, and the thing I love about Jaguar is that they use a lot of wood and leather. My grandma just got a new Lexus, and I was rather disappointed because her car didnt have as much wood as her old one. I love wood and leather, I cannot stand cloth I'm cars. Some cloths I hate (the look and feel).

I think most of them come from England. Like the sheepskin.

[HexedDex]

Only if it's used for warmth, not for fashion. Humans have hunted animals for their skins and fur for years, as long as we use it for warmth or survival and not as a fashion statement/object.

[Nellerin]

How's it less convenient? The bus goes buy every 30 minutes or so.

If you have to go 10 places each day on a tight schedule, you can't sit around for a bus to take you to everyplace. It is less convenient, is it do-able? maybe

But, far less convenient for people.

[Hyper]

Convenience is a luxury.

A schedule is a necessity by the requirements of time.

Anyway long long ago fur coats were a necessity in less 'primitive' times. Now they are mostly a luxury... I dont particulary approve or condone the fur industry though if I had to take a stand it would be more condoning towards the treatment of some animals.

[CaliforniaMatt]

Cicero, I can see the Dos Eqquis guy driving a Jag.

[Cicero]

Cicero, I can see the Dos Eqquis guy driving a Jag.

You literally saw him driving it or you can imagine it?

I can imagine him driving a Jaguar or a Mercedes-Benz

[CaliforniaMatt]

I can imagine it. Drive British my friends.

[StoppingTime]

I can imagine it. Drive British my friends.

You literally saw him driving it or you can imagine it?

I can imagine him driving a Jaguar or a Mercedes-Benz

Cicero, I can see the Dos Eqquis guy driving a Jag.

Please keep on the topic of the thread.