No Hope for LGBT under Pope Francis I

[Cicero]

Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, a 76-year-old Argentinean, was chosen as the first Latin American pope on Wednesday. He will lead the world's 1.2 billion Catholics as Pope Francis. While his selection may be historic, it may also mean more of the same when it comes to gay rights in the Catholic Church.

Pope Francis is a conservative who is anti-gay marriage and anti-gay adoption. He has described same-sex marriage as the work of the devil and a “destructive attack on God’s plan.” He has also said that gay adoption is a form of discrimination against children.


Source (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/pope-francis-gay-marriage-anti_n_2869221.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular)

[Apollo.]

I now have a strong dislike for the new pope, I'm really trying hard to respect the catholic church more but its just constant steps in the wrong direction. I think speaking out against gay rights should be condemned just as much as speaking out against people of another race or women's rights. I don't think it should be overlooked as much as it is with the catholic church.

[Sir Suomi]

*Sigh* Christianity, prepare for another hectic time...

[Skyline]

Religion is the wall that stands between humans and peace...

[Jess]

Sigh. That really sucks. But it's to be expected.

[IAMWILL]

Why does everyone expect the Church to change its teachings? It hasn't in hundreds of years, and it won't! Get over it! The Church doesn't need to comply to social standards or expectations that only half the US population has! The Church sure does a lot more good than most people imagine (hospitals, charities, etc). It is allowed to have its viewpoints and beliefs, but everyone tries to force the Church to accept their beliefs.

[Cicero]

Why does everyone expect the Church to change its teachings? It hasn't in hundreds of years, and it won't! Get over it! The Church doesn't need to comply to social standards or expectations that only half the US population has! The Church sure does a lot more good than most people imagine (hospitals, charities, etc). It is allowed to have its viewpoints and beliefs, but everyone tries to force the Church to accept their beliefs.

Sigh. That really sucks. But I'm not too surprised, kinda expected the new pope to be like this :/

Religion is the wall that stands between humans and peace...

*Sigh* Christianity, prepare for another hectic time...
I'm a tad confused, your signature says "slightly against same sex marriage".

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I agree with Will.

The Pope is there to serve Christianity and represent it, it's not there to represent popular beliefs or popular ideology, its there for Catholicism. That's it. It he were running for president, that'd be different, but he's not. He's running for Christianity which has always taught that homosexuality is wrong. As Will said, you can't expect him to suddenly say "Homosexuality is right!" When it has taught the exact opposite for thousands of years.

The Catholic Church and its pope isn't there to represent all religions and people's of the world. It's there for its own religion, not for Mormonism, Buddhism, or secular beliefs. The pope isn't hating on homosexuals, but what he is saying is that he disagrees with the lifestyle. There is a big difference between disagree and hate. Like in ROTW, I disagree with most everyone, but it does NOT mean I hate most everyone.

The problem with most Christians, is that they're evil toward homosexuals. When in reality, it's not their stance to judge them. But they are allowed to have their own opinion. Just because they disagree with homosexuality doesn't mean they judge it. Apmany Christians must show love and kindness, gay, straight, bi, trans. It doesn't matter, they should show everyone kindness and love and that's what's wrong with many Christians.

After all, running in the papacy isn't a "Like me the most" type of race. It's based off of their experience, status, and beliefs. Speaking out against or for a certain subject isn't wrong, but it does become wrong when they speak out in a hateful way. If they say "I disagree with the homosexual lifestyle." There is no hate in that what so ever, but it does become hate when it bashes homosexuality. Christians can be both accepting and tolerable with homosexuality while disagreeing with it. It's a right we have as citizens, so to say that speaking out against a certain group shouldn't be allowed would be invading on our amendment rights.

In fact, this (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/15/world/europe/pope-francis.html) has given me a reason to respect the guy Francis, who chose the name of a medieval patron saint of Italy who came from a wealthy family and took a vow of poverty, is the first pope to come from the Jesuit order, whose members take a vow of poverty and have traditionally shunned careerism, instead focusing on service, education and engaging with the world.

[Sugaree]

Why does everyone expect the Church to change its teachings? It hasn't in hundreds of years, and it won't! Get over it! The Church doesn't need to comply to social standards or expectations that only half the US population has! The Church sure does a lot more good than most people imagine (hospitals, charities, etc). It is allowed to have its viewpoints and beliefs, but everyone tries to force the Church to accept their beliefs.

Fucking thank you. There's few people on this forum that aren't so naive as to think that a two thousand year organization is going to change on a dime. Seriously everyone, get the fuck over it. The Church isn't going to change, not unless there is some serious event that forces it to change. Don't worry about it, just move on. So what if a few old fucks are against gay rights? Do they really matter in the long run? Get over it.

[Sir Suomi]

I'm a tad confused, your signature says "slightly against same sex marriage".


Ugh I think I'm just going to disable my signature -_-
Basically, I really don't like same-sex marriage, but I'm not going to openly go against it. But I definitely not going to go advocating for it.

[Guillermo]

Religion is the wall that stands between humans and peace...

Oh really? So the Chinese Communist government (obviously Atheist) made a peaceful accord with Buddhist in Tibet back in 1950, right? Open up your mind. It's not just religion that stands in the way of the world being in 'peace.' There are a whole bunch of other causes that have lead to conflict that don't even deal with religion.

[StoppingTime]

Fucking thank you. There's few people on this forum that aren't so naive as to think that a two thousand year organization is going to change on a dime. Seriously everyone, get the fuck over it. The Church isn't going to change, not unless there is some serious event that forces it to change. Don't worry about it, just move on. So what if a few old fucks are against gay rights? Do they really matter in the long run? Get over it.

All of this.


Why does it matter if the new pope is against gay marriage? What exactly will it change?

[Skyline]

Oh really? So the Chinese Communist government (obviously Atheist) made a peaceful accord with Buddhist in Tibet back in 1950, right? Open up your mind. It's not just religion that stands in the way of the world being in 'peace.' There are a whole bunch of other causes that have lead to conflict that don't even deal with religion.

I never said there weren't any other factors that lead to conflict. I'm only pointing out that religion plays a huge role in conflicts. As long as there are religions there will be blood, that doesn't mean its the only thing keeping humans from peace, there is still, political factions, psychopaths, etc...

[Maverick]

The pope is against gay marriage... what a shock... we're screwed...

[Foamy]

Come get me when the pope is for same sex marriage
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But, in all honesty, the pope is the leader of a religion that has had solid beliefs for thousands of years. The chances of any of that changing in the near future is just about zero. Is it possible that when were all old people some 60 years in the future would someone with more liberal beliefs come in and change the beliefs? Possibly. But all I have to say is that if god wants same sex marriage during this pope's tenure it'll take a miracle.

[PinkFloyd]

Well it's his beliefs... I mean he's not pulling a WBC or anything. Catholisism is just anti LGBT, and people need to exept that. Kinda like how It's just a fact of nature that Nazis are racists. That was just an example. Catholics have nothing to do with Nazis!

[Guillermo]

I never said there weren't any other factors that lead to conflict.

Yeah, but you didn't explicitly state that their were other conflicts either which leads one to believe that your statement is ignorant to other causes of bloodshed. Also, you stated "the wall" - which implies that religion is the only thing keeping the world from being peaceful. If you would have instead put "a wall" I wouldn't even be responding to you now, because I'd agree.

I'm only pointing out that religion plays a huge role in conflicts.

Yeah? How big? Your statement is oversimplified due to the fact that religion is generally not the sole cause of seemingly religious conflicts - sometimes it's actually not even the cause at all. I recommend that you read this (http://www.usip.org/files/resources/sr201.pdf).

As long as there are religions there will be blood, that doesn't mean its the only thing keeping humans from peace, there is still, political factions, psychopaths, etc...

... Language differences, border conflicts, ethnic conflicts, possessions, power, etc... Yeah, so world peace is so unattainable that it's not even funny - but it is.

[IAMWILL]

Catholics aren't even anti - LGBT. It says in the Catechism that everyone who has same-sex attraction (the Church's words for homosexuality) should be treated with respect, dignity, and equal to all others. I've found that a lot of LGBT people think the Catholic Church hates them because the Church denies "rights" the LGBT community claims to have. That's like me saying my parents are anti-me for not buying me a new car for my birthday. Its ridiculous. The Catholic Church has nothing against LGBT people, but its going to defend its teachings at all times.

[Iron Man]

Religion is the wall that stands between humans and peace...

And progress. Don't forget progress.

[chrisawesome]

Fucking thank you. There's few people on this forum that aren't so naive as to think that a two thousand year organization is going to change on a dime. Seriously everyone, get the fuck over it. The Church isn't going to change, not unless there is some serious event that forces it to change. Don't worry about it, just move on. So what if a few old fucks are against gay rights? Do they really matter in the long run? Get over it.

I dont have the same ideas as the new pope, but you calling the heads of the Catholic Church, a few old fucks, and saying, Do they really matter in the long run?, really PISSES ME OFF. I support LGBT and still believe in God, that doesnt give anyone the right to kick me out of church or talk about my fellow Catholics, Cardinals, and especially Pope Francis that way....... You are definetely getting a rep from me. YOUR TONE OF VOICE JUST PISSES ME THE FUCK OFF!!!!! :mad::mad: You know what, Kiss my ass while your at it, and suck my big fat cock too:yawn::yummy:

-On a much lighter note, more of the world is becoming open to same-sex rights, if the pope doesnt do something, then national governments will. Its not like the hope for same sex equality is over

[Sugaree]

I dont have the same ideas as the new pope, but you calling the heads of the Catholic Church, a few old fucks, and saying, Do they really matter in the long run?, really PISSES ME OFF. I support LGBT and still believe in God, that doesnt give anyone the right to kick me out of church or talk about my fellow Catholics, Cardinals, and especially Pope Francis that way....... You are definetely getting a rep from me. YOUR TONE OF VOICE JUST PISSES ME THE FUCK OFF!!!!! :mad::mad: You know what, Kiss my ass while your at it, and suck my big fat cock too:yawn::yummy:

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As if your rep affects me. You're in the red, it's literally not even a speck of dust. If you don't like something, ignore it.

[Iron Man]

I dont have the same ideas as the new pope, but you calling the heads of the Catholic Church, a few old fucks, and saying, Do they really matter in the long run?, really PISSES ME OFF.

Last time I checked, they aren't exactly young, so...


You are definetely getting a rep from me.

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YOUR TONE OF VOICE JUST PISSES ME THE FUCK OFF!!!!!

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(Sorry Fisk, but I had to copy you lol)


You know what, Kiss my ass while your at it, and suck my big fat cock too

So, does everyone that disagrees with you have to do that, or do you charge extra?

[chrisawesome]

Last time I checked, they aren't exactly young, so...



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So, does everyone that disagrees with you have to do that, or do you charge extra?

Hey, I'm just trying to defend the Catholic Church from that rude mo fo. I mean really, calling them old fucks is just RUDE. I know telling someone to suck my big fat cock is rude, but really I mean that guy was more fucking rude.

Anyway, by the way about sucking it, no, I dont tell everyone that. But I do take cash, check or credit card. Most of the time the cum is on the house. Really, ? WTF dude? "Frisby" or whatever his name is has pissed me off in the past so that is why I said that. I still cant believe he called the Pope, basic leader of all Christian churches, because those other denominations broke away from the Catholic Church, an OLD FUCK and actually had some balls to question if DO THEY REALLY MATTER AFTER ALL? You know what... F him

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As if your rep affects me. You're in the red, it's literally not even a speck of dust. If you don't like something, ignore it.

I bet God will tell you that when he sends you to Hell and you whine and complain about it! Your an OLD FUCK, not Pope Francis. That still pisses me off........... SUCK ITTTTTTT

Please don't double post, use the edit or multi-quote buttons instead. ~TheMatrix

[Sugaree]

Hey, I'm just trying to defend the Catholic Church from that rude mo fo. I mean really, calling them old fucks is just RUDE. I know telling someone to suck my big fat cock is rude, but really I mean that guy was more fucking rude.

Anyway, by the way about sucking it, no, I dont tell everyone that. But I do take cash, check or credit card. Most of the time the cum is on the house. Really, ? WTF dude? "Frisby" or whatever his name is has pissed me off in the past so that is why I said that. I still cant believe he called the Pope, basic leader of all Christian churches, because those other denominations broke away from the Catholic Church, and OLD FUCK and actually had some balls to question if DO THEY REALLY MATTER AFTER ALL? You know what... F him

You know, instead of talking about me like that in public, you can just say it to my face. In the end, the Pope is still a human being whether you believe that or not. Same with the all the Cardinals, Bishops, Priests, and Deacons. All of them are humans. They all have made mistakes. Unless you can prove to me the divinity of the Pope, then I won't return to the Church.

I don't think one man and one man alone can have a direct connection to God just because. And yes, that is what your religion teaches. If no man can apparently have such a unique relationship with God, how can the Pope have it? Does he get a holy hall pass or something? Please, explain it to me. By the way, I've taken eight years of very strict catechism, something that not many Catholic schools teach anymore. So if you're going to defend the Church, expect me to come down on you if you're wrong about something.

By the way, if you didn't already notice, I'm not being rude. I'm being blunt about this topic. No one should have expected the Pope to be an LGBT crusader, and anyone who did is a useless twat. If you're Catholic and support LGBT, that's all fine and dandy with me. My parents are highly supportive of me being bisexual and still remain practicing Catholics, so I'm not painting with a wide brush here. But when people are thinking that reform can happen quickly in a two thousand year old organization with the flick of a switch, I'm not going to stay silent on the matter. That's what people have done with Pope Francis by expecting him to be a crusader of modern social dogma when it comes to the current era.

I'm also not being rude to you directly, so why are you insulting me? I was never an asshole to you, but I was very condescending. I never insulted you, I never called you out on anything. Hell, I don't even know your god damned name, nor do I care about you. Yet you have the audacity to criticize me and what I do? But wait, if I do that to you, or anyone else for that matter, it's being rude? Your logic simply astounds me.

Once again, instead of talking about me in public like that, say it to my face in private or don't say it at all. Until then, you can deal with it.

[CharlieHorse]

Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, a 76-year-old Argentinean, was chosen as the first Latin American pope on Wednesday. He will lead the world's 1.2 billion Catholics as Pope Francis. While his selection may be historic, it may also mean more of the same when it comes to gay rights in the Catholic Church.

Pope Francis is a conservative who is anti-gay marriage and anti-gay adoption. He has described same-sex marriage as the work of the devil and a “destructive attack on God’s plan.” He has also said that gay adoption is a form of discrimination against children.


Source (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/pope-francis-gay-marriage-anti_n_2869221.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular)

IMO this is fucked up.
Need I say more?

[IAMWILL]

Chris, if you want to defend the Catholic Church, do it the way I have done. Be respectful, and present your arguments with little emotion. If you arguing against a hostile group, facts and figures, along with the goal not to change their views, but rather allow them to see your point of view and be more receptive to it, is much more effective than an emotion/experience filled argument. Gotta balance ethos, pathos, and logos.

[chrisawesome]

Chris, if you want to defend the Catholic Church, do it the way I have done. Be respectful, and present your arguments with little emotion. If you arguing against a hostile group, facts and figures, along with the goal not to change their views, but rather allow them to see your point of view and be more receptive to it, is much more effective than an emotion/experience filled argument. Gotta balance ethos, pathos, and logos.

You can have your opinion, I respect that. How do you think I feel about supporting LGBT in a anti-gay community? I know this is L.A. but still!!! I still believe the Catholic Church is still the best. Thanks to my Catholic pride, no other group is inferior. We should all be proud of our religion. People should just not call one of my religious leaders an, old fuck. That is what I'm so pissed off about. Thats like calling a Jewish priest, or a Buddhist monk some vulgar name. I wouldnt do that so why should somebody else???

[Sugaree]

You can have your opinion, I respect that. How do you think I feel about supporting LGBT in a anti-gay community? I know this is L.A. but still!!! I still believe the Catholic Church is still the best. Thanks to my Catholic pride, no other group is inferior. We should all be proud of our religion. People should just not call one of my religious leaders an, old fuck. That is what I'm so pissed off about. Thats like calling a Jewish priest, or a Buddhist monk some vulgar name. I wouldnt do that so why should somebody else???

Think about what you're doing. If Pope Francis or Jesus himself were looking from over your shoulder at what you're doing, would they be praising you for defending the Church? Or would they tell you "Do not seek revenge for your enemies"? If you're defending the Church, from the impression I'm getting, I certainly don't want to go back if people like you are going to be there to greet me.

[Danny_boi 16]

Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, a 76-year-old Argentinean, was chosen as the first Latin American pope on Wednesday. He will lead the world's 1.2 billion Catholics as Pope Francis. While his selection may be historic, it may also mean more of the same when it comes to gay rights in the Catholic Church.

Pope Francis is a conservative who is anti-gay marriage and anti-gay adoption. He has described same-sex marriage as the work of the devil and a “destructive attack on God’s plan.” He has also said that gay adoption is a form of discrimination against children.


Source (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/pope-francis-gay-marriage-anti_n_2869221.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular)

What did you expect for the leader of Catholics? For him to come out of the balcony vomiting rainbows. It is the belief of a majority if Catholics those gays are an abomination. Its better just to live with it. There is virtually nothing anyone can do about it. So it’s not news that the leader of Catholics who believe that gay are an abomination, feels the same way.

[chrisawesome]

Just dont call him an "Old fuck" thats all I'm saying :yes: There are many things that I've done wrong in my life, I am in no way an angel, neither are you, neither is a Cardinal, and neither is the Pope. He does have special connections with the Holy Spirit though!

I'll leave you alone if you just apologize, thats all I'm asking

Here I did it for you, just copy this on your reply back to me... I'm sorry about calling the Pope and high ranking Catholic leaders names : )

[ReginaGeorge]

wow

this news is so shocking

i think i need to sit down to process this completely unexpected and brand new information

:rolleyes:

[Sugaree]

What did you expect for the leader of Catholics? For him to come out of the balcony vomiting rainbows. It is the belief of a majority if Catholics those gays are an abomination. Its better just to live with it. There is virtually nothing anyone can do about it. So it’s not news that the leader of Catholics who believe that gay are an abomination, feels the same way.

Except he doesn't see them as an abomination. Back when he was still a Cardinal, Francis believed that people with homosexual tendencies (his words, not mine) were to be treated with respect. However, he just doesn't agree with giving them the rights to marry because that would go against Catholic doctrine.

Just dont call him an "Old fuck" thats all I'm saying :yes: There are many things that I've done wrong in my life, I am in no way an angel, neither are you, neither is a Cardinal, and neither is the Pope. He does have special connections with the Holy Spirit though!

I'll leave you alone if you just apologize, thats all I'm asking

Here I did it for you, just copy this on your reply back to me... I'm sorry about calling the Pope and high ranking Catholic leaders names : )

I'm not apologizing for my opinion. Since you think I'm rude, I'm not going to take back my comments. If you respect opinions of others, you shouldn't ask for them to apologize because it hurt your precious little feelings.

[chrisawesome]

Ikr! My mind is still boggling ;)

What really? Didnt expect that at all!!! : )

Except he doesn't see them as an abomination. Back when he was still a Cardinal, Francis believed that people with homosexual tendencies (his words, not mine) were to be treated with respect. However, he just doesn't agree with giving them the rights to marry because that would go against Catholic doctrine.



I'm not apologizing for my opinion. Since you think I'm rude, I'm not going to take back my comments. If you respect opinions of others, you shouldn't ask for them to apologize because it hurt your precious little feelings.

Then just suck it again, you old fuck!!!

Guess what I'm going to say? Ah, correct! Use the edit or multi-quote buttons to add something instead of double posting. ~TheMatrix

[IAMWILL]

I'm going to repost a post I made awhile ago, becuase clearly a lot of people on this site do not know/understand Catholc teaching on homosexuality.


To quote the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the official teachings:
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
I do not see anywhere in that, "homosexuality is a sin and we should hate gays." In fact, it pretty much says the complete opposite. Also, allow me to clarify the text.

"Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex....”
The Church is speaking here about homosexual acts.

“Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained.”
This is the exact position of the APA.

"homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.”
The Church is using philosophical language here, not pejorative. She is also referring to homosexual acts, not persons. “Disordered” here means not “ordered toward” the fulfillment of the act; not “ordered” toward the telos or purpose of the sexual faculty, hence “dis-ordered” and thus...

“They are contrary to the natural law."
The Church even teaches that Her teaching on this is not dependent on religious belief or Sacred Scripture, but on Natural Law, knowable through reason alone.

“They [homosexual acts] close the sexual act to the gift of life.”
For this reason they are a mis-use of the sexual faculties in the same way that contraception and masturbation are, and for similar reasons.

“Under no circumstances can they [homosexual acts] be approved.”
Because this is a principle of the Natural Law, the Church cannot “change” her teaching on this.

“The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible."
Regardless of its origin, same-sex attraction is more often than not, “deep-seated”, or deeply rooted and not superficial.

"This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial."
Again, the inclination is not ordered toward its telos or fulfillment. This is NOT referring to persons, nor is it suggesting that the inclination is itself sinful.

“They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.”
More people need to read this section...

“These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.”
Their calling is no different than anyone else’s...nothing less than communion with God.

[Sugaree]

Then just suck it again, you old fuck!!!

Setting a fine Christian example.

[chrisawesome]

Setting a fine Christian example.

From what Fisk said: old fuck, Do they really matter after all?

Setting a fine example for ass holes everywhere

[Iron Man]

From what Fisk said: old fuck, Do they really matter after all?

Setting a fine example for ass holes everywhere

Seriously, name calling isn't going to further your argument.

[chrisawesome]

Seriously, name calling isn't going to further your argument.

You can suck it too, I'm out .

[workingatperfect]

I'm going to repost a post I made awhile ago, becuase clearly a lot of people on this site do not know/understand Catholc teaching on homosexuality.

This is all fine and dandy, and it's nice that the Catholic church as a whole feels that way, but I just can't find any sort of compassion, sensitivity or respect in this:

He has described same-sex marriage as the work of the devil and a “destructive attack on God’s plan.”

I don't know, I'm not even gay and that to me just feels a little demeaning, calling someone's lifestyle the work of the devil.

More importantly,

Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided

How is denying them the basic rights of a straight married couple (insurance benefits, sharing a surname, etc,) and not wanting them to adopt not unjust discrimination? It's prejudicial treatment based on the fact that they're gay. Also, what lines has to be crossed to make it unjust. Like, what would be just discrimination?

[TheMatrix]

The two of you(you know who you are) can cut it out this instant, or I will be handing out infractions, And that just ruins everyone's day -- even mine --because then I have to sit here typing out a message about something you already knew. So please don't do that to me.
Your argument is finished. Not one more word about it, please. If you still disagree with each other, please take it up privately.

[Apollo.]

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As if your rep affects me. You're in the red, it's literally not even a speck of dust. If you don't like something, ignore it.

I imagine when he "neg reps" you it will give you positive rep, hahaha it's like he's fucking 5!!

[Atonement]

Right, so like many, I'm mildly annoyed about the Pope's stance on gay rights. Of course I didn't expect him to be supportive of gay rights, since he wouldn't be Pope if he did. Those two can't go hand in hand. As previously demonstrated in this thread, the ideas aren't going to radically change with one man. The institution is greater than just him.

However, the part that kind of rubs me the wrong way is that he is inflammatory about his opposition. During the Argentinian discussion of gay marriage, he behaved in a way that was not just against gay marriage, but insulting. As the Church teaches, everyone is deserving of respect, especially from the Church. I'm just annoyed that he's rather vicious in the discussion.

[Danny_boi 16]

Except he doesn't see them as an abomination. Back when he was still a Cardinal, Francis believed that people with homosexual tendencies (his words, not mine) were to be treated with respect. However, he just doesn't agree with giving them the rights to marry because that would go against Catholic doctrine.



I'm not apologizing for my opinion. Since you think I'm rude, I'm not going to take back my comments. If you respect opinions of others, you shouldn't ask for them to apologize because it hurt your precious little feelings.


Catholics be live all walks of life should be respected. So they respect gays the just don't approve of them. Does that make sense; I don't know of to say it correctly. I think were agreeing. But I just want this to be a point.

[Rayquaza]

The popes decision has no affect on me. In my opinion he's just an old famous man and I don't see what greater good he's done to our world and basically choose not to acknowledge him. If people don't like it, I encourage you all to do the same and ignore it.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Well it's his beliefs... I mean he's not pulling a WBC or anything. Catholisism is just anti LGBT, and people need to exept that. Kinda like how It's just a fact of nature that Nazis are racists. That was just an example. Catholics have nothing to do with Nazis!

This.
He can believe whatever; of course it doesn't mean he's right.

[ImCoolBeans]

Religion is the wall that stands between humans and peace...

It is also the glue that holds a large part of society together. Without religion a lot of people would lose sight of the value life holds. Religion gives a lot of lives meaning and purpose. Without that, many people would feel worthless due to the fact that they aren't working towards something anymore. That isn't the case for everybody; but when a large number of people feel that way and would react like so, then it is important that it does not just die off. The catholic church is unfortunately making very bold statements that can be seen as very out of line, but that doesn't make the intended purpose of religion void. Religion was created to keep people in order and give their lives more of a meaning -- a very good principal -- however they have been, and continue to go down a very wrong road. Does this make me religious? Nah; Does this mean I believe in God? Nah; but that doesn't mean I can discredit the importance that religion still holds in society. I don't have an ounce of religious blood in me -- but it has it's place in the world.

[drew6]

i don't get the church on some stuff. like why does the pope wear a huge glam hat and a dress?

i think if the popes were nicer to gays and kept their priests for preying on little kids, they'd be better off.

[Sugaree]

Catholics be live all walks of life should be respected. So they respect gays the just don't approve of them. Does that make sense; I don't know of to say it correctly. I think were agreeing. But I just want this to be a point.

Yes, that's what they are supposed to believe.

i don't get the church on some stuff. like why does the pope wear a huge glam hat and a dress?

i think if the popes were nicer to gays and kept their priests for preying on little kids, they'd be better off.

Sure, they'd be better off. But that would abandon the teachings of the Church which have been in place for centuries. What people in this thread aren't getting is that the Church can't just throw away a doctrine that people OUTSIDE of the Church don't like. It doesn't work that way.

[PetrusRomanus]

Hey guys! I think you forget to think about the teachings of Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church. She teaches from the very beginning of its existence that there is a Triune God who is unlimittedly compassionate and "JUST"; there are Holy Angels and Devils who is 100% full of hatred that aims the destruction of the human race; there is an ongoing war for souls between God with His Holy Angels and Satan with his wicked minions that will only last until the second coming of Christ; that there is Heaven where the just go and Hell where the poor damned souls go due to their own fault-- their disobedience to the TEN COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. That there is life after death and that Jesus Christ in His Glory will come to judge the living and the dead according to its actions on earth.


Nicene Creed -- The Summary of the Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church's Faith

We believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and we look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.
Amen.


Nicene Creed -- The Summary of the Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church's Faith

We believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and we look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.
Amen.


And please remember guys that this teachings came from Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself given to the Apostles and handed down to their LAWFUL successors the Bishops and priests through Oral and Written Traditions. Have a time to read the WHOLE contents of the Roman Catholic BIBLE and you will know what Roman Catholics confess and profess. As Roman Catholics we don't have the option to choose the teachings that we only want to keep but must embrace the whole teachings of Christ through Her beloved bride the Roman Catholic Church. We are oblige to always obey the Triune God since He knows BEST after all. To the Triune God bad is bad and good is good. The Triune God is unlimitedly good and compassionate but let us also remember that He is JUST as well.



Please edit your first post instead of double posting. -StoppingTime

[Cicero]

Hey guys! I think you forget to think about the teachings of Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church. She teaches from the very beginning of its existence that there is a Triune God who is unlimittedly compassionate and "JUST"; there are Holy Angels and Devils who is 100% full of hatred that aims the destruction of the human race; there is an ongoing war for souls between God with His Holy Angels and Satan with his wicked minions that will only last until the second coming of Christ; that there is Heaven where the just go and Hell where the poor damned souls go due to their own fault-- their disobedience to the TEN COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. That there is life after death and that Jesus Christ in His Glory will come to judge the living and the dead according to its actions on earth.


Nicene Creed -- The Summary of the Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church's Faith

We believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and we look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.
Amen.





And please remember guys that this teachings came from Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself given to the Apostles and handed down to their LAWFUL successors the Bishops and priests through Oral and Written Traditions. Have a time to read the WHOLE contents of the Roman Catholic BIBLE and you will know what Roman Catholics confess and profess. As Roman Catholics we don't have the option to choose the teachings that we only want to keep but must embrace the whole teachings of Christ through Her beloved bride the Roman Catholic Church. We are oblige to always obey the Triune God since He knows BEST after all. To the Triune God bad is bad and good is good. The Triune God is unlimitedly good and compassionate but let us also remember that He is JUST as well.



Please edit your first post instead of double posting. -StoppingTime

It's great you want to preach, but you missed the point of my thread. I was just giving a article of what was happening with the new pope. :spam: People don't go to hell for breaking the Ten Commandments

[Sugaree]

It's great you want to preach, but you missed the point of my thread. I was just giving a article of what was happening with the new pope. :spam: People don't go to hell for breaking the Ten Commandments

I think many of us would like to think that breaking any of the Ten Commandments doesn't exactly make your chances for getting into Heaven any better.

[Cicero]

I think many of us would like to think that breaking any of the Ten Commandments doesn't exactly make your chances for getting into Heaven any better.

I'm confused with how you said it.

Breaking the Ten Commandments doesn't make the chances any better nor worse.

[drew6]

Yes, that's what they are supposed to believe.



Sure, they'd be better off. But that would abandon the teachings of the Church which have been in place for centuries. What people in this thread aren't getting is that the Church can't just throw away a doctrine that people OUTSIDE of the Church don't like. It doesn't work that way.

It seems like it isn't even handed tho. The church is against all sex outside of marriage, but when it's gay sex, they act like those people are going to hell. If it's straight sex out side of marriage, it's "you shouldn't be doing that".

Also, the Catholic church picks and chooses what it pleases. No where in the bible does it say priests shouldn't marry. For a long time they could, but then the church decided it was against it.

[Sugaree]

It seems like it isn't even handed tho. The church is against all sex outside of marriage, but when it's gay sex, they act like those people are going to hell. If it's straight sex out side of marriage, it's "you shouldn't be doing that".

Also, the Catholic church picks and chooses what it pleases. No where in the bible does it say priests shouldn't marry. For a long time they could, but then the church decided it was against it.

It IS backwards thinking, that much I can agree upon. However, it's when people try to bend an organized religion to the will of social standards is when things go too far. I would be saying the same thing if the Catholic Church started trying to get people outside of the Church to conform to their standards.

[drew6]

It IS backwards thinking, that much I can agree upon. However, it's when people try to bend an organized religion to the will of social standards is when things go too far. I would be saying the same thing if the Catholic Church started trying to get people outside of the Church to conform to their standards.

I'm not trying to say or even get the catholic church to bend to today's social standards, I'm just saying that there is Christianity and then there is Catholicism and the two aren't the same.

A lot of people think they are, but they really aren't. Christianity is a faith. Catholicism is an organized religion that makes it's own rules and changes them to maintain power, money and control in diff amts.

Seems like they coulda found a pope with two lungs. js

[Cicero]

I'm not trying to say or even get the catholic church to bend to today's social standards, I'm just saying that there is Christianity and then there is Catholicism and the two aren't the same.

A lot of people think they are, but they really aren't. Christianity is a faith. Catholicism is an organized religion that makes it's own rules and changes them to maintain power, money and control in diff amts.

Seems like they coulda found a pope with two lungs. js

Francis only has 1 lung? And yes that's true, religions like baptism or Lutheranism isn't even close to the magnitude of the Catholic Church and they don't have just 1 way of teaching the bible. Each baptist church you go to will be different. They may have a board for different baptist churches but it doesn't mean they have to abide by what that board says or does.

[PetrusRomanus]

It's great you want to preach, but you missed the point of my thread. I was just giving a article of what was happening with the new pope. :spam: People don't go to hell for breaking the Ten Commandments

It is not the standards of man that the Roman Catholic Church follows it is God's standards that We follow. You know why? Because there is the Triune God. Do you know why Roman Catholics believe that there is the Triune God? Because He manifests Himself to man throughout the history. Check the history and it will reveal to you of what had happened long before we was born. This is the reason why Pope Francis I will never tolerates LGBT's practices.

I think many of us would like to think that breaking any of the Ten Commandments doesn't exactly make your chances for getting into Heaven any better.

Do you remember what Jesus Christ told to the guy who wants to inherit the everlasting life in heaven? Jesus Christ told the guy: "Follow the Commandments." Then the guy told Jesus that he faithfully does. Then Jesus again said: "Then leave all your possessions, take up your cross and follow me." Then the guy left Jesus with a sad face since he have many possessions and can't let go of them. Jesus as well said that in order for you to go to heaven we must:

I. Love God with all our heart, our mind, our soul, and our strength.
1. I am the Lord your God, you shall not have strange gods before me.
2. You shall not put the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's day.

II. Love your neighbor as yourself.
4. Honor your father and your mother.
5. You shall not kill.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods.

So this is the standards the WE Roman Catholics follow as a rule of life. However the sad reality is that many disobey often these commandments because of pride and disobedience. The Roman Catholic Church is perfect since it is guided by the Holy Spirit who IS perfect, but the members are imperfect and sinful as well. But the important thing is we strive to be good, pleasing and perfect before men and specially before the Triune God.


Please don't double post. -StoppingTime

[Matt_2012]

I can understand why someone would be against gay marriage. And i kinda agree and im gay. But whats wrong with gay adoption? The pope can shove that rule up his ass, but then again its not like the pope rules every part of the world.

[Cicero]

It is not the standards of man that the Roman Catholic Church follows it is God's standards that We follow. You know why? Because there is the Triune God. Do you know why Roman Catholics believe that there is the Triune God? Because He manifests Himself to man throughout the history. Check the history and it will reveal to you of what had happened long before we was born. This is the reason why Pope Francis I will never tolerates LGBT's practices.

Actually, when the scribes were translating the bible they were twisting some of the words. So the bible of Catholics contain added segments and parts and removed segments/parts. That was when Martin Luther spoke up about the abuse (abuse of translating) within the Catholic Church. He eventually founded the Lutheran denomination. So the catholic bible is different than most other denominational bibles. What the hell are you talking about, you never addressed anything I said. All I said was its great you want to preach but I was just giving an article. I had also added that people don't go to hell just for breaking the Ten Commandments like you suggest/said. The Roman Catholic Church is not perfect. It's basically a world-wide business that's worth billions. The Catholic Church was established way after Jesus had died. They basically just hopped on the band wagon and changed (as in twist, remove, etc.) parts of the bible, which if you know is strictly against what the bible says. And of course that's when we meet Martin Luther.



I can understand why someone would be against gay marriage. And i kinda agree and im gay. But whats wrong with gay adoption? The pope can shove that rule up his ass.
What the fuck are you talking about? We're not talking about gay adoption were talking about Francis' stand on homosexuality and how it is against LGBT.

[PetrusRomanus]

It seems like it isn't even handed tho. The church is against all sex outside of marriage, but when it's gay sex, they act like those people are going to hell. If it's straight sex out side of marriage, it's "you shouldn't be doing that".

Also, the Catholic church picks and chooses what it pleases. No where in the bible does it say priests shouldn't marry. For a long time they could, but then the church decided it was against it.

All the grave sins that are against the Ten Commandments were listed and defined by Jesus Christ, by the Apostles, and by the Roman Catholic Church in the book of what we so called Catechism of the Catholic Church. All the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church are handed down in two ways: through Oral Traditions (by words) and through the Written Traditions (Bible). Now regarding about the priests it's through traditions. We believe that Jesus Christ is not a married person so He is single, after some centuries after His ascension into heaven this kind of tradition of having priests not being married were practiced in two reasons: 1. They follow the example of Jesus Christ who lived single throughout his life; 2. For the sake of giving all oneself to the service of all people Roman Catholic or not -- not of the some. :)

Actually, when the scribes were translating the bible they were twisting some of the words. So the bible of Catholics contain added segments and parts and removed segments/parts. That was when Martin Luther spoke up about the abuse (abuse of translating) within the Catholic Church. He eventually founded the Lutheran denomination. So the catholic bible is different than most other denominational bibles. What the hell are you talking about, you never addressed anything I said. All I said was its great you want to preach but I was just giving an article. I had also added that people don't go to hell just for breaking the Ten Commandments like you suggest/said. The Roman Catholic Church is not perfect. It's basically a world-wide business that's worth billions. The Catholic Church was established way after Jesus had died. They basically just hopped on the band wagon and changed (as in twist, remove, etc.) parts of the bible, which if you know is strictly against what the bible says. And of course that's when we meet Martin Luther.




What the fuck are you talking about? We're not talking about gay adoption.

First and foremost, I am just explaining why Pope Francis I and the Roman Catholic Church will never approve such practices for you to know. Secondly, the Bible were compiled by the Roman Catholic Church in the 400th century through the Septuagint and through the Scholars. They put the Bible verses that there will be no addition and deductions on the text. Then to have a very comprehensive translation of the Bible both the Old and the New Testament She chose Saint Jerome for the job. Search him if you want. Since then the Roman Catholic Church never added or deducted any part of the Bible until today and will not do that until the end of time. If you will devote yourself reading ALL the content of the Bible you will find out that it never contradicts anything from one book to another -- you need to read the whole content of it not just reading by parts. Thirdly, we believe that it was the Triune God who gave the Ten Commandments to men through Moses. So in that case... it is like, the mother saying to her son that putting your fingers into the burning coals will not get you hurt so you can put all your fingers to that, it is okay. So, if it is okay to disobey the Ten Commandments why does the Triune God gave such rules? And why He punishes His chosen people through persecutions, pestilence, droughts and the like when they chose to deliberately disobey them? Read the Bible and it is all written. The Triune God is infinitely good, perfect and JUST -- He lives! In short, if you will try to understand the Ten Commandments I am pretty much sure that at least you will understand the character of the Triune God. What He wants and what He hates. The Roman Catholic Church is perfect since it is guided and founded by the Triune God through our Lord Jesus Christ as our faith says. It was born in the Pentecost 50 days after Jesus Christ ascended into heaven in His glorified body and soul. Have you heard any articles or news that it is founded by someone, by the specific pope perhaps? We believe that it was Jesus Christ who founded our Church through the Apostle Peter. And again all the members of the Roman Catholic Church are poor sinners that strive to be holy as the heavenly Father is Holy. The Triune God manifests Himself to men through many mysterious ways. We must be attentive to Him always. :)



Please don't double post. -StoppingTime

[StoppingTime]

Please keep on topic instead of going off on religious tangents. This goes for everyone.

[princessholly]

Gah i'm seriously getting sick of this crud i mean we are in 2013 grow up and accept the fact that being homosexual is nothing wrong. I truly hate the bible I mean gah. We have been hated on for far to long yet if we complain about stuff people don't listen

[Cicero]

First and foremost, I am just explaining why Pope Francis I and the Roman Catholic Church will never approve such practices for you to know. Secondly, the Bible were compiled by the Roman Catholic Church in the 400th century through the Septuagint and through the Scholars. They put the Bible verses that there will be no addition and deductions on the text. Then to have a very comprehensive translation of the Bible both the Old and the New Testament She chose Saint Jerome for the job. Search him if you want. Since then the Roman Catholic Church never added or deducted any part of the Bible until today and will not do that until the end of time. If you will devote yourself reading ALL the content of the Bible you will find out that it never contradicts anything from one book to another -- you need to read the whole content of it not just reading by parts. Thirdly, we believe that it was the Triune God who gave the Ten Commandments to men through Moses. So in that case... it is like, the mother saying to her son that putting your fingers into the burning coals will not get you hurt so you can put all your fingers to that, it is okay. So, if it is okay to disobey the Ten Commandments why does the Triune God gave such rules? And why He punishes His chosen people through persecutions, pestilence, droughts and the like when they chose to deliberately disobey them? Read the Bible and it is all written. The Triune God is infinitely good, perfect and JUST -- He lives! In short, if you will try to understand the Ten Commandments I am pretty much sure that at least you will understand the character of the Triune God. What He wants and what He hates. The Roman Catholic Church is perfect since it is guided and founded by the Triune God through our Lord Jesus Christ as our faith says. It was born in the Pentecost 50 days after Jesus Christ ascended into heaven in His glorified body and soul. Have you heard any articles or news that it is founded by someone, by the specific pope perhaps? We believe that it was Jesus Christ who founded our Church through the Apostle Peter. And again all the members of the Roman Catholic Church are poor sinners that strive to be holy as the heavenly Father is Holy. The Triune God manifests Himself to men through many mysterious ways. We must be attentive to Him always. :)

But just because you don't obey the Ten Commandments doesn't mean you go to hell. The Catholic Church isn't the only one to make the bible. They, just like the Mormon religion, added parts that were originally not in the transcripts and Martin Luther brought their translating abuse to light. There is not one single reference of a pope in the bible, the Catholic Church added a bunch of unnecessary crap to their religion that was never in the bible. Like how priests can't marry women, even Moses had a wife. The Catholic Church is a business, just like most other large church organizations. That's why the church allows people to buy their way into heaven.

[PetrusRomanus]

But just because you don't obey the Ten Commandments doesn't mean you go to hell. The Catholic Church isn't the only one to make the bible. They, just like the Mormon religion, added parts that were originally not in the transcripts and Martin Luther brought their translating abuse to light. There is not one single reference of a pope in the bible, the Catholic Church added a bunch of unnecessary crap to their religion that was never in the bible. Like how priests can't marry women, even Moses had a wife. The Catholic Church is a business, just like most other large church organizations. That's why the church allows people to buy their way into heaven.

If you will deliberately and continuously disobey the Ten Commandments with a stubborn heart it may give you a one way ticket to hell. As I have said, there was no addition and deductions that was done on the text of the Bible. It was just translated in the common language of the people that time for them to understand the Word of the Triune God. The first pope was Saint Peter and this was confirm by Jesus when he said;

"When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.” He then said to him a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.” He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” [Jesus] said to him, “Feed my sheep." (Jn. 21:15-17) "Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” Then he strictly ordered his disciples to tell no one that he was the Messiah." (Mt. 16:17-20)

And you know what, the New Testament was written in the 1st century AD by the Apostles the first bishops. This was compiled by the Roman Catholic Church headed by the bishop of Rome the Pope and his bishops in the 4th century AD. Their reason is, that there will be no addition nor deductions will be done on the faith that is continuously handed down throughout the generations from the Apostles who have heard and seen Jesus Christ by their very own ears and eyes when they are still with Him. Our faith is undergoing to a continuous definition that all the generations may understand it. As I have said again, the Roman Catholic Church transmits the Divine Revelation in two ways: through the Sacred Tradition (orally) and through the Sacred Scripture (Bible). Regarding with the celebacy of the priests, they are following the example of Jesus Christ who lived here on earth "single" -- it is through the tradition of the Church. The Catholic Church is not a business who pursue of having profit but who pursue for the salvation of the souls. To buy and sell a ticket to heaven is a simony which is a MORTAL SIN with a one way ticket to hell. It is written as well on the Bible. :)

[PetrusRomanus]

Gah i'm seriously getting sick of this crud i mean we are in 2013 grow up and accept the fact that being homosexual is nothing wrong. I truly hate the bible I mean gah. We have been hated on for far to long yet if we complain about stuff people don't listen

The Bible and the Roman Catholic Church doesn't hates sexually non-preferencial people but only their sinful practices as it written in the Bible. If they does so they disobey what Jesus says: "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." :yes:

[PetrusRomanus]

Please keep on topic instead of going off on religious tangents. This goes for everyone.

This is not exclusive but for all Catholics and non-Catholics. The "Catholic" means UNIVERSAL by the way.

[StoppingTime]

Okay I think we're done here, as you're nowhere near the topic of this thread. :locked: