Speculation World Events: WWII

[TheBigUnit]

So I was reading the thread on what would happen if certain world events never happened http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=169914

It got me thinking to make a new thread of peoples opinions, if hitler won the war maybe we could treat this kind of like a game and post chronologically an event we think would happen, this is purely your own opinion then the next poster will say an event he/she thinks will occur due to the previous posts before it,
Ex. Usa loses revolutionay war,.......
(First poster) all "conspiritors" like george washington and ben franklin hung,
(Second poster) since ben franklin hung the lightning rod never finishes full potential and completion
(3rd poster) many die from house fires from lightning strikes and thomas edison never finds the proper conductor for a lightbulb
(4th poster) etc

The reason why I think this should be in RoTW is because well people will be rambling throughout if this thread works out

Anyway anyone want to start? Just say a short consequence that would happen if hitler won

[Nellerin]

Germany controls the majority of Europe, Israel is never formed.

[TheBigUnit]

Palestine is formed, ussr is gone

[Nellerin]

Occupation of Moscow is shared by US and Germany, cold war never occurs

[TheBigUnit]

New cold war occurs betwwen usa and germany, atomic bombs still bombs japan but japan doesn't surrender, usa plans a full scale invasion

[Harry Smith]

USA launches a full invasion but at great cost after Japan planes fly into the carrier in suicide attacks. Over 100,000 americans dead on the beaches

[Cicero]

USA loses west coast to Japan after funds run dry from invasion.

[ProudConservative]

Germany takes advantage and takes over the East Coast of the USA. Everyone is forced to how down to Hitler.

[TheBigUnit]

Those who could flee to mexico, mexico economy booms, many executions occur throughout france and uk, franco joins the axis, combined axis front invades northern africa to defeat final strongholds of the allies, india pakistan are independant nations

[ProudConservative]

USA is abandoned and the scientists in the Manhattan Project are forced to work for Germany. Germany makes 100 nukes, and levels North America and Central America. Canada is left alone because they can't do anything.

[Harry Smith]

British Resistance steals a nuke and sets it off in berlin

[Erasmus]

Canada has secretly been stockpiling nukes, and now launches a full-scale invasion of Australia.

[TheBigUnit]

*only the op can "fast forward" the year* so that all the events would be more organized

the year is 1955

North africa is under axis command, but the axis has stopped conquering due to the fact that hitler gets assassinated, british and french citizens are background checked and many more are sent to camps, major power struggle occurs in germany, usa becomes a puppet, uk and france becomes a puppet, russia becomes a puppet and mexico with its new strong economy secretly allies with canada and other latin american nations, china is gone and so is other southeast asian nations other than india

[Harry Smith]

Himmler gains control of the Nazi party and Germany by using launching a coup with the SS. This means that the entire population of Russia ' the slavs' as referred to my the Nazis are sent to work in factories make wonder weapons that the Nazi's hope will be the deciding factor. This means they have advanced Jet fighters, Ballistic missiles and nuclear submarines

[Cicero]

the Russian slaves start developing a secret militia to revolt against the Germans. Stealing some of the gear they make to raise up an army, meanwhile Mexico sends in secret agents to assist in the revolt and to keep on contact with the secret militia

[TheBigUnit]

Himmler finds out of the secret russian revolt kill all who may be in it and their entire families, mexico canada and all south american nations except argentina ally together to form a neo-ally group and formally declares war on axis, usa is back and argentina goverment surrenders and joins allies,
India, pakistan and rest of middle east allys together and stays neutral due to the fact some leaders are sympathetic to the axis' side (who freed them from the british and french) and others to the neo-allies
Japan takes siberia mongolia but won't invade india

[Swagamemmnon]

German Reich experiences widespread revolts from conquered populations, government responds with death camps.

[irishguy123]

Germany controls the majority of Europe, Israel is never formed.

Germany still controls Europe today due to the economy and levels of austerity being applied!

[Harry Smith]

German army launches a coup under Operation Valkyrie to attempt to appease the revolting masses. German's withdraw from Russia, UK and France to concentrate on maintaining order for the New Government in Germany. Himmler dies in a bomb attack as a result of Valkyrie but his number 2 Reinhard Heydrich retreats to the Swiss alps to rally the last elements of the Nazi party

[TheBigUnit]

It is 1965 now..........

The nazis have expanded too quick, their propaganda was only effective back when hitler was alive, revolts are everywhere and the army is too busy taking care of dissent, spain is the new "head" of the axis and they with the italians prepare to invade the middle east for oil, the neo-allies start a new campaign of mass island hopping and reach the shores of new zealand, the allies start readying new biological possibly small pox weaponized missiles and nukes, the japaneze this time has the most superior navy and fiercest troops but they outnumbered as the indians start readying to attack japaneze controlled myanmar

[Cicero]

The Japanese start sending troops to the US to seize control of the growing government. All Americans associated with the expansion of the government are forced to serve in the Japanese military, essentially, going on suicide missions. The Japanese are slowly receding from the country, the west coast is the only area greatly controlled by the Japanese. Germany's economy is close to a collapse and asks for financial support from Spain and Italy, Italy has accumulated great wealth and provided financial aid to Germany, in return, Italy would get control of Austria. Sicily starts to revolt against the italian government, Italy unable to control Sicily, removes Sicily from its country, meanwhile Sicily has many politicians paid off in the government, so Sicily is still very much in power, without the italian government knowing. The Sicilian mafia begins to grow, and sprout into different countries in Europe and even the Middle East.


Germany still controls Europe today due to the economy and levels of austerity being applied!
You can't just pick a random post, you have to go with the latest post and work off of that.

[Harry Smith]

Sicilian mafia kills Mussolini and other high members of his government in a bomb attack

[ProudConservative]

That bomb attack was ruse, and everyone is distracted. Mussolini is still alive. Great Britain is attacked and their leader is killed in a Parliament bombing. The Royal Family is then killed. Great Britain falls, and is taken over Germany.

[TheBigUnit]

By germany***

New zealand and austrailia freed, japan recedes back to entrench the mainland , usa fully free, and important surrounding islands of jpan become entrenched, uprisings start in china, indo-pak allegence conqures and frees nations from myanmarr to vietnam and offers help to rebel chinese, japan sits and waits for the inevitable invasion,

Spain and italy stops at afghanistan as they have met their oil needs and prepare for a new possible neo ally attack

Japanese with other axis scientists start developing a new possible weapon noone ever dreamed before

[Cicero]

By germany***

New zealand and austrailia freed, japan recedes back to entrench the mainland , usa fully free, and important surrounding islands of jpan become entrenched, uprisings start in china, indo-pak allegence conqures and frees nations from myanmarr to vietnam and offers help to rebel chinese, japan sits and waits for the inevitable invasion,

Spain and italy stops at afghanistan as they have met their oil needs and prepare for a new possible neo ally attack

Japanese with other axis scientists start developing a new possible weapon noone ever dreamed before

Spain and Italy convince Finland and India to join their sides as they prepare for their attack, Finland offers finances to both countries while India offers troops to them. Japan suffers a huge earthquake setting back their progress for their weapon development. The Sicilian mafia get put in their place and begin to help Italy in their aid, through their various connections throughout the Middle East and other locations.

(Just to be clear, Japan, Germany, and Spain were/are on the same side right?)

[TheBigUnit]

(Just to be clear, Japan, Germany, and Spain were/are on the same side right?)

Yeah

[Harry Smith]

Just wondering since it's up to the OP maybe we should start again on a different topic. It's just this one will keep branching out and becoming extremely unrealistic

[TheBigUnit]

Just wondering since it's up to the OP maybe we should start again on a different topic. It's just this one will keep branching out and becoming extremely unrealistic

haha yes, you can lead the next one if you like

[Harry Smith]

haha yes, you can lead the next one if you like

awww thanks man.

I'm going to throw out... 1963, November 22nd, Lee Harvey Oswald misses all three shots on president kennedy. Apart from slight shock from being under fire the tour resumes well and the democrats move closer to getting Texas

[Prodigy17]

awww thanks man.

I'm going to throw out... 1963, November 22nd, Lee Harvey Oswald misses all three shots on president kennedy. Apart from slight shock from being under fire the tour resumes well and the democrats move closer to getting Texas

Then all the skeletons in JFK's closet would come out - he'd be seen as a villian not a hero.

That would set the democrats back 30 years :)

[Harry Smith]

Then all the skeletons in JFK's closet would come out - he'd be seen as a villian not a hero.

That would set the democrats back 30 years :)

Wasn't the watergate era yet ;) The US media knew all about his affairs, they just chose not to report it. The furthest he could have got would of been '68 and by then he would be a lame duck. I doubt the Press would have blown the story, it was an open secret in washington and have you seen the power of the Kennedy family in the 60's.

[Prodigy17]

Wasn't the watergate era yet ;) The US media knew all about his affairs, they just chose not to report it.

There's probably truth in that - just meant that by getting shot JFK was seen by history as a hero.

Agreed the US media do tend to support the democrats - look how kind they were to Clinton :)

Question for you if Watergate had happened under a democrat president do you think it would have been exposed by journalists?

[Harry Smith]

There's probably truth in that - just meant that by getting shot JFK was seen by history as a hero.

Agreed the US media do tend to support the democrats - look how kind they were to Clinton :)

Question for you if Watergate had happened under a democrat president do you think it would have been exposed by journalists?

Yes watergate was about corruption and crime, people can get over sex scandals, people understand the human side to the idea behind it. However people cannot stand corruption. But could we please get back to the point of this thread please- So a JFK presidency?

[Prodigy17]

So a JFK presidency?

Would have been successful, he certainly captured the spirit of the nation and often optimism is the only thing a country needs to prosper. However after he'd left office more suggestions would have made about his "dark side" - as you well know his affairs being just a minor part.

Had his presidency "survived" he may have led us into WW3. Clearly he was lucky with the cuban crisis but his attitude to the Russians may not have worked so well next time - fortunately we'll never know.

Had he lived a full life history would not have treated JFK as a hero - which is why I said getting shot is the best thing that could have happened to him :)

[TheBigUnit]

Would have been successful, he certainly captured the spirit of the nation and often optimism is the only thing a country needs to prosper. However after he'd left office more suggestions would have made about his "dark side" - as you well know his affairs being just a minor part.

Had his presidency "survived" he may have led us into WW3. Clearly he was lucky with the cuban crisis but his attitude to the Russians may not have worked so well next time - fortunately we'll never know.

Had he lived a full life history would not have treated JFK as a hero - which is why I said getting shot is the best thing that could have happened to him :)

That's not how it goes, you have to do short segments and have people build off it

[Sir Suomi]

Try "Turning Point: Fall of Liberty". That would be America if Churchill would've died during a car accident in 1931.

[Cygnus]

Try "Turning Point: Fall of Liberty". That would be America if Churchill would've died during a car accident in 1931.

The problem with that game is that the gameplay is boring and the story doesn't evolve much, plus it is a First-Person Shooter, the most repetitive genre out there.

[Sir Suomi]

The problem with that game is that the gameplay is boring and the story doesn't evolve much, plus it is a First-Person Shooter, the most repetitive genre out there.

Meh, I thought it was alright. Definitely could have been better though.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Malaysia attacks Japan, because of Japanese threat to Indonesian shorelines.
Germany is caught in civil war.