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TakenAway--x
November 13th, 2007, 03:54 PM
"Love exists. There have been studies that show changes in chemicals in the brain when it happens. Some feel it and act on it. Some deny it. Some never find it."

Lately I have been in a bit of a bind. My boyfriend is in another country at the moment, and of course, as any girl would be, I have been rather upset since he left. It is something that is continuously on my mind. I miss him terribly.

I know, I know. What is my point? What does this have to do with it? Well, I'm gradually getting there, if you will just hear me out.

There is a girl that will occasionally message me on MSN. The first time she ever messaged me, we spoke of my boyfriend's absence. At the time, her boyfriend had been in a different state and she had been missing him as well. And when I told her that I was falling for my significant other, what she told me was to give it time because that is all that you can do with love.

Gradually she had been telling me that I needed to find better things to focus on. That I shouldn't be worrying about this as much as I am. She basically told me that I was "obsessing" over it. What I figure is, he is my boyfriend, and I have every right to be worried about it, and Cal and I spoke of how much we would miss each other before he left.

So yesterday, she messages me again. She asks if my boyfriend is back yet or if he had messaged. I said no, and mentioned a couple of other things. I told her about my breaking down the day before, and she began saying things like, "You should try to concentrate on things in your real life. Friends and other things.. Cal is someone I'm sure you barely know, that you should try to keep your mind off of" and something along the lines of, "There is no reason to be so emotionally upset about someone."

It angers me that she tells me that I barely know my own boyfriend. She is not someone to judge.

In any case, what she then said to me was this:

"Love really doesn't exist.. it all comes down to endorphins and lust. You don't have to believe it.. most people don't, but scientifically, it's true. When you feel love for someone, you are accepting him as your mate."

Personally, I do not believe in her logic. It does not make sense. I do not understand it. You cannot scientifically prove that which cannot be proven. Scientists try to make sense of the world, of the universe, and humans can only make theories about the things that they do not understand.

The existence of God cannot be proven, nor can the true feeling of love and what it actually is.

Lust and love are two very different things.

Where do you stand on this topic, and how do you feel about love. Does it or does it not exist? Explain your reasoning, and back up any facts you might have to offer.

The Resurrected One
November 13th, 2007, 03:55 PM
Yeah, there's a rule that you need at least 10 posts before you can put links in your posts.

Sorry.

TakenAway--x
November 13th, 2007, 03:58 PM
Ah, well, it's fixed.

Hyper
November 13th, 2007, 04:29 PM
Lol our mighty science is just speculation for the most part

And no I don't agree with her I just think she is someone who got hurt or just someone who isn't partly human.

Love is the greatest thing in the world and love isn't only a ''partner'' relationship

TakenAway--x
November 15th, 2007, 10:59 AM
I figured that is what it might be. She is also an atheist, and I would expect an atheist to say such a thing. No offense to anyone who shares similar beliefs, but I do not understand how a person cannot believe in love when it is staring each and every one of us right in the face.

Sapphire
November 15th, 2007, 12:11 PM
Whats atheism got to do with love? Atheism is concerned with the existence of God, not love.

Anyway. Completely disagree with her. Those endorphins of which she speaks of are probably just a physical effect of the happiness and support involved with love. True love is real. Yes ok it is hard to find and does demand work and compromise to work. But it is still real.

Camazotz
November 15th, 2007, 03:56 PM
I disagree with that person. You cannot prove if love is real or not. It's an emotion so complex, humans will never truly understand. I know love is real, I dont need anyone to try to change my mind.

TakenAway--x
November 15th, 2007, 10:01 PM
Atheists tend to associate love with God and the supernatural. In other words, in many cases, since an atheist claims to believe in the nonexistence of a god or god[s], they will also assume that concepts such as love do not exist. That is not to say that every atheist shares the same beliefs or values, but it is to say that most of them do share this particular view.

Views of an atheist. (http://blog.iamanatheist.com/2007/09/you-must-be-pretty-stupid-to-believe.html)

Maverick
November 15th, 2007, 10:12 PM
Atheists tend to associate love with God and the supernatural. In other words, in many cases, since an atheist claims to believe in the nonexistence of a god or god[s], they will also assume that concepts such as love do not exist. That is not to say that every atheist shares the same beliefs or values, but it is to say that most of them do share this particular view.

Views of an atheist. (http://blog.iamanatheist.com/2007/09/you-must-be-pretty-stupid-to-believe.html)

Most do? Where did you get this info? Sounds like a misconception to me.

TakenAway--x
November 15th, 2007, 10:28 PM
From the atheists I have spoken to, I can only infer simply because the majority of them have said that they believe in absolutely nothing, including no god, not excluding love, as many of them have given me the same explanation as the girl who told me this claim via messenger.

I will admit that I may have been wrong to include the majority, however, I suppose it is a more credible assumption to say that some do rather than most.

Maverick
November 15th, 2007, 10:36 PM
Yes, I would have to agree that saying some would have been a better statement because you cannot categorize what the majority is based solely off your interactions and experiences around you. There's a big world out there.

TakenAway--x
November 15th, 2007, 10:51 PM
You are correct. I do apologize.

dem.re.cmd.exe
November 19th, 2007, 11:46 AM
I figured that is what it might be. She is also an atheist, and I would expect an atheist to say such a thing.

Wow. Look up Athiesm on wiki or something.

Whats atheism got to do with love? Atheism is concerned with the existence of God, not love.


Thank you.


Atheists tend to associate love with God and the supernatural. In other words, in many cases, since an atheist claims to believe in the nonexistence of a god or god[s], they will also assume that concepts such as love do not exist. That is not to say that every atheist shares the same beliefs or values, but it is to say that most of them do share this particular view.

Views of an atheist. (http://blog.iamanatheist.com/2007/09/you-must-be-pretty-stupid-to-believe.html)

Okay.... well, no where in the book of athiesm (a.k.a. wikipedia) does it say "love" directly corresponds to religion. In no religions that I know does it say that.


Most do? Where did you get this info? Sounds like a misconception to me.
Thank you.



On topic:
I pretty much agree with everyone eelse lol.

Hyper
November 20th, 2007, 08:36 PM
Previous poster..

Why did you find it necessary to nag on TakenAway if you read the whole thread and saw her apologize for the generalization?

dem.re.cmd.exe
November 20th, 2007, 09:53 PM
I apologize to all who read this post. I should control my speach better. It won't happeen again.

I'm sorry TakenAway.