not ment to eat meat

[lightPainting]

¤ I will give you 3 reasons why we're not ment to eat meat. And then you give me your opinion on why you think we can eat meat (if you agree with me, Virtual high 5!)


•our intestine are too long for meat to travel through us, so the meat will end up rotting inside of us.

•if you eat too much meat it can lead too health problems

•no carnivore eats meat cooked. They work hard for there food by chasing after it a fast speeds, killing it with their sharp claws and teeth, tairing the skin, eating the meat raw including some small bones. We cant even do that.

[TheMatrix]

Not an eating disorder.
:arrow: RoTW

[MisterSix]

Our brains need lots of protein and meat is so much easier to get them, but meat doesn't have all the nutrition we need, so we have to eat plants also

[TheBassoonist]

Our brains need lots of protein and meat is so much easier to get them, but meat doesn't have all the nutrition we need, so we have to eat plants also

This. Though I would add that our brains started getting larger because we started to eat meat.

And on top of that, why would we have teeth designed to eat meat if we were just supposed to eat plants?

[ImCoolBeans]

Ancient and instinctive humans were omnivores themselves. You cannot successfully get all of the nutrients that your body needs while being a vegetarian without eating imported foods that are not usually specific to your region and without the help of multivitamins and other supplements to make up for the lack of protein in your diet. I don't think the Neanderthals and Cro Magnons were importing foods from other regions, nor did they have multivitamins, and you can't forget about soy not being invented yet :P Members of the genus "homo" are instinctive omnivores -- meat is a part of their natural diet. Modern humans (Homo Sapiens Sapiens) belong to that genus.

[Cicero]

Basically what everyone else said. Meat also doesn't rot in our intestines, sure there might be a little bit of it here and there, but that's everything else.

Also, it's like saying we weren't meant to eat corn. Corn CANNOT be digested due to the special sugars. Corn goes right through you, as you might see the next day lol

[lightPainting]

we do not have teeth that were designed to eat meat. If you run your finger along the tops of your teeth, you will feel no pain on you finger because the teeth are not sharp enough. the meat that we eat today has to be processed before it is ''safe'' to eat.

[Gigablue]

•our intestine are too long for meat to travel through us, so the meat will end up rotting inside of us.

While human intestines are longer than those of most carnivores, they are shorter than those of herbivores. Despite their length, meat does not rot inside of them. Meat, like any other food, simply gets digested.

•if you eat too much meat it can lead too health problems

If you eat too much of anything, it can cause health problems. This says nothing about the health of eating a moderate amount of meat.

•no carnivore eats meat cooked. They work hard for there food by chasing after it a fast speeds, killing it with their sharp claws and teeth, tairing the skin, eating the meat raw including some small bones. We cant even do that.

Humans are actually good hunters. In the past, we managed to catch large animals to eat them, despite not having sharp claws. We chases prey until it was exhausted, and then attacked it as a group, usually using some sort of weapon.

Cooking developed to make food easier to digest. We used to eat meat raw, but with the invention of cooking, we could spend less effort digesting, and have more energy for other things.

[lightPainting]

there are many ideas on how our brains got so big, but we cant pin point the the main reason.

If you eat too much of anything, it can cause health problems. This says nothing about the health of eating a moderate amount of meat.

not 100% true, eating a lot of fruits and vegetables will not lead to health problems.

Merged double posts. -StoppingTime.

[Professional Russian]

we do not have teeth that were designed to eat meat. If you run your finger along the tops of your teeth, you will feel no pain on you finger because the teeth are not sharp enough. the meat that we eat today has to be processed before it is ''safe'' to eat.

Bullshit. Nearly every peice of meat i eat i saw killed a butchered. and it was not "processed" for our teeth

not 100% true, eating a lot of fruits and vegetables will not lead to health problems.

As said before eating too much of anything is bad for you. it will everything off balance because youll get too much of one thing and not enough of the others

[lightPainting]

Bullshit. Nearly every peice of meat i eat i saw killed a butchered. and it was not "processed" for our teeth



As said before eating too much of anything is bad for you. it will everything off balance because youll get too much of one thing and not enough of the others

Ok, you'r right. But every piece of meat you have eaten has been cooked. And when you add heat to the protein molecule, those protein molecule unravel and there shapes change. When the shape of a protein molecule changes, so does the function of the protein. There are even times when the protein molecule get destroyed because too much meat has been applied.

You will not get an unbalanced meal from eating a lot of fruits and vegetables. We need Carbohydrates,Proteins,Fats,Lipids and Vitamins in our diet. fruits and vegetables have all of those.

[Professional Russian]

Ok, you'r right. But every piece of meat you have eaten has been cooked. And when you add heat to the protein molecule, those protein molecule unravel and there shapes change. When the shape of a protein molecule changes, so does the function of the protein. There are even times when the protein molecule get destroyed because too much meat has been applied.

You will not get an unbalanced meal from eating a lot of fruits and vegetables. We need Carbohydrates,Proteins,Fats,Lipids and Vitamins in our diet. fruits and vegetables have all of those.

Jesus Christ you sound like my health teacher... anyways lets leave it at this. we like our meat. you arent taking our meat. get over it

[Sir Suomi]

there are many ideas on how our brains got so big, but we cant pin point the the main reason.

It got big because back in good 'ol cavemen times we had no natural weapons(Claws, sharp teeth, etc.), so in order to survive, man had to outsmart his predators.

Also, we DO have teeth specifically designed for both eating plants AND meat. We have our Canines(If you don't understand that, the little sharp teeth in the front), along with our Molars, and some other type of tooth I think(Can't think of what's it's called or if I'm just imagining things, tell me if you know). Early humans had to eat just about anything they could find, thus our teeth being formed this way.

Also, on one of your original points, the reason no other animal does eat meat cooked is due to the fact no other animal can purposely create fire, thus making it impossible for them to cook anything.

[Cicero]

Ok, you'r right. But every piece of meat you have eaten has been cooked. And when you add heat to the protein molecule, those protein molecule unravel and there shapes change. When the shape of a protein molecule changes, so does the function of the protein. There are even times when the protein molecule get destroyed because too much meat has been applied.

You will not get an unbalanced meal from eating a lot of fruits and vegetables. We need Carbohydrates,Proteins,Fats,Lipids and Vitamins in our diet. fruits and vegetables have all of those.

How do you know that I don't eat uncooked meat? Cause I also do that. I eat uncooked fish and steak, and I've even had a small amount of raw pork.

[Sugaree]

¤ I will give you 3 reasons why we're not ment to eat meat. And then you give me your opinion on why you think we can eat meat (if you agree with me, Virtual high 5!)


•our intestine are too long for meat to travel through us, so the meat will end up rotting inside of us.

•if you eat too much meat it can lead too health problems

•no carnivore eats meat cooked. They work hard for there food by chasing after it a fast speeds, killing it with their sharp claws and teeth, tairing the skin, eating the meat raw including some small bones. We cant even do that.

Tell me again how the earliest creatures survived the first few million years when it came to food, then? Face it, meats are a vital part of the diets of many animals, and humans, on this planet. Sure, there's a lot of bad stuff that comes with it, but meat contains protein, and proteins are what build muscle and keep it healthy.

[lightPainting]

Jesus Christ you sound like my health teacher... anyways lets leave it at this. we like our meat. you arent taking our meat. get over it

im not trying to take your meat. Im just trying to say, eat more fruits. they taste pretty good and they do your body good.

[Professional Russian]

im not trying to take your meat. Im just trying to say, eat more fruits. they taste pretty good and they do your body good.

And so does meat.....

[Gigablue]

not 100% true, eating a lot of fruits and vegetables will not lead to health problems.

You can't get a balanced diet if you just eat fruits and vegetables. While it would be better than only eating meat, you would still be missing many nutrients, such as vitamin B12 or iron.

[lightPainting]

Also, on one of your original points, the reason no other animal does eat meat cooked is due to the fact no other animal can purposely create fire, thus making it impossible for them to cook anything.

true, they cant make fire, but would a zoo keeper feed a lion cooked meat?

[Gigablue]

true, they cant make fire, but would a zoo keeper feed a lion cooked meat?

Humans developed fire a very long time ago, and thus we have adapted to eating cooked meat. Lions have not, so they get raw meat.

[Professional Russian]

true, they cant make fire, but would a zoo keeper feed a lion cooked meat?

Jesus Christ what do you have against meat?

[lightPainting]

You can't get a balanced diet if you just eat fruits and vegetables. While it would be better than only eating meat, you would still be missing many nutrients, such as vitamin B12 or iron.

dark green leefy vegetable are paced full of alkinds of vitamins and minerals. look up how many vitamins and minerals spinach has. remember the human body is able to produce some vitamins and minerals like vitamin D. Also some vitamins and minerals are toxic at high levels like vitamin D.

Jesus Christ what do you have against meat?

nothing, its just that some people have no idea what they're eating & how it effects the body.

Tell me again how the earliest creatures survived the first few million years when it came to food, then? Face it, meats are a vital part of the diets of many animals, and humans, on this planet. Sure, there's a lot of bad stuff that comes with it, but meat contains protein, and proteins are what build muscle and keep it healthy.

you know what else has protein, fruits and vegetable. spinach actually has more than meat.

Please use the multi-quote feature rather than posting multiple times in a row. ~ Mike/ImCoolBeans

Humans developed fire a very long time ago, and thus we have adapted to eating cooked meat. Lions have not, so they get raw meat.

tell me, how have we adapted to cooked meat?

[TheBigUnit]

Technically back when life started all organisms were autotrophs slowly some began swallowing each other, homo sapiens were always able to eat digest meat, so was our distant human homo relatives, chimps could also eat meat like we do, but there might have been a really really distant relative that was just vegan

[Korashk]

tell me, how have we adapted to cooked meat?
It probably went like this:

When early man made fire, one of the cavemen accidentally dropped a piece of meat in it, and that or another caveman pulled it out and took a bite because they didn't want to waste food and found that it tasted better.

[CharlieFinley]

•our intestine are too long for meat to travel through us, so the meat will end up rotting inside of us. [citation needed]

•if you eat too much meat it can lead too health problems
If you drink too much water, that can lead to health problems. Oh, back up, guys! We're not supposed to drink water anymore!

•no carnivore eats meat cooked. They work hard for there food by chasing after it a fast speeds, killing it with their sharp claws and teeth, tairing the skin, eating the meat raw including some small bones. We cant even do that.
You're an idiot. How is that even relevant?

Besides, we evolved as hunter-gatherers. I assure you, we didn't hunt pinto beans. We didn't stealthily sneak up on carrots. We killed animals to death, and then we ate them. :P

[Gigablue]

tell me, how have we adapted to cooked meat?

The digestive tract has decone less efficient at digesting raw meat, since it doesn't need to. The brain has also become larger, since we can extract more nutrients from cooked meat, and thus the brain gets more nourishment.

[Abigballofdust]

•our intestine are too long for meat to travel through us, so the meat will end up rotting inside of us.
Could you expand on this? Like, proof of rotten meat or something?

•if you eat too much meat it can lead too health problems
This is true. But that's why we eat a lot of everything. You must have a balanced diet with meat, vegetables and fruit. One does not eliminate the other, you can get the best from both.

•no carnivore eats meat cooked. They work hard for there food by chasing after it a fast speeds, killing it with their sharp claws and teeth, tairing the skin, eating the meat raw including some small bones. We cant even do that.
No animals can cook. But carnivores do eat cooked.
Take a dog, a dog is a carnivore. Give him vegetables, he won't take them. Give him bread and he'll take it if he's really hungry. Why? Because he can stand the taste.
Also, give him a raw t-bone. He'll bite it all off and then play with the bone for weeks. Try cooking it, he won't reject it either. In fact he may eat it more gladly. Why is that? Because animals are adaptive. There's what nature gives you, and then there's what we managed to achieve because nature gave us intelligence.
Somebody dropped a piece of meat over a fire ages ago and then the cave smelled good. They tried the meat and it was perfect, so they decided to cook it all the time.
And guess what? Their race has evolved into what we are now. No caveman was vegetarian, he ate what came.
Hating on meat is a 20th century concept. We aren't herbivorous, we can't eat grass, hell we can't digest salad either nor can we digest seeds. What we manage to assimilate to a bigger extent are fruits and meat. So I guess it's logical to conclude we should eat those.

[lightPainting]

Could you expand on this? Like, proof of rotten meat or something?

our intestines are about 12X the length of our torso(~30 ft) Our intestines call for a long slow process of absorbing nutrients. If you leave meat out for too long ,it begins to ferment. So in our digestive systems meat will end up rotting, creating gasses that come out as a vary smelly fart.:) not to mention some remains of the meat sicking to use.{if it sticks to the plate, it will probable stick to the body}

the title of the thread is:not meant to eat meat.
Im not saying get rid of all the meat. Im saying meat is not important in our diet.I can give you plenty of people that just eat fruits and vegetables and DONT take and supplements & they live lives that are surprisingly heather than any one else.

Merged double post. -Gigablue

[ImCoolBeans]

the title of the thread is:not meant to eat meat.
Im not saying get rid of all the meat. Im saying meat is not important in our diet.I can give you plenty of people that just eat fruits and vegetables and DONT take and supplements & they live lives that are surprisingly heather than any one else.

Okay; but those people are eating foods which are not native to their region and are either being imported or introduced to their area. Early humans did not have this privilege, therefore they could not have successfully survived as vegetarians, meaning that we are meant to eat meat.

[lightPainting]

Okay; but those people are eating foods which are not native to their region and are either being imported or introduced to their area. Early humans did not have this privilege, therefore they could not have successfully survived as vegetarians, meaning that we are meant to eat meat.

but early man lived mostly in tropical area which is where a vast variety of fresh fruits grew.

[ImCoolBeans]

but early man lived mostly in tropical area which is where a vast variety of fresh fruits grew.

Early man is believed to have come out of Africa and then traveled up through the Middle East rather than tropical climates.

[Abigballofdust]

Also don't forget early men drew hunting scenes on walls of caves, not soya fields.

[lightPainting]

Also don't forget early men drew hunting scenes on walls of caves, not soya fields.

just because there were drawings in caves, doesn't mean that they lived in caves. it might have been a place of shelter for when it rained.

[Magus]

•our intestine are too long for meat to travel through us, so the meat will end up rotting inside of us.It is actually quite adequate for meat to travel. You do know that carnivores are actually omnivores? They take in plants that act as fibers.


•if you eat too much meat it can lead too health problems
This is true.


•no carnivore eats meat cooked. They work hard for there food by chasing after it a fast speeds, killing it with their sharp claws and teeth, tairing the skin, eating the meat raw including some small bones. We cant even do that.

Some carnivores eat carcasses and left-overs like Hyenas and Vultures.

And that's why we cook it. To damage the protein bonds(to make it easier to chew), and to kill the bacteria that might come with it.

Your logic suggest that we are not developed to eat meat, but the same can be applied to plants.

And let us see some of it:

We also cook plants and vegetable to make it easier to consume and digest. I have never heard someone who eats raw oats or raw lentils, unless that person thinks he is a goddamn chicken.

There are some roots, herbs, vegetables, fruits and beans that, if we eat, we create so much bloat and gas, simply because we are not wired to break down some of the complex sugar and proteins in them.

It's the flora in our stomach that does all of the work to make it suitable for us. But in the case of animal protein, we can easily digest those. Which means, we are much more wired to eat meat than vegetables, because we mostly need the constituents of protein than anything else for complete vitality. :yes:

[Abigballofdust]

just because there were drawings in caves, doesn't mean that they lived in caves. it might have been a place of shelter for when it rained.

Ah, but maybe they sheltered from snow.
What?

It was an other argument for proving early men did eat meat and not a vast variety of tropical food only. Has nothing to do with where they lived.

[Naue]

We need 1st class proteins from Meat.

We have evolved to be clever enough to cook meat, getting rid of germs from it. We have also evolved to be able to hunt and kill meat without having the typical characteristics of a carnivore.

Our intestines and digestive system is fine for both meat and veg, having evolved to be that way. Hence, I think we are designed to eat meat. Although, you may choose not to.

[MisterChicken]

Native Americans werent from china as this is a lie they were from North America as they started there as they were life already in south america so how could they couldve came from china?And america WAS a land plentiful of resoucres and THEN those christans came and Holocausted 50-100 million Natives.So Some Tribes couldve been Vegans

[xmojox]

We have canine teeth that are specifically for ripping and tearing meat. Explain to me how we aren't meant to eat meat please?

[CharlieFinley]

our intestines are about 12X the length of our torso(~30 ft) Our intestines call for a long slow process of absorbing nutrients. If you leave meat out for too long ,it begins to ferment. So in our digestive systems meat will end up rotting, creating gasses that come out as a vary smelly fart.:) not to mention some remains of the meat sicking to use.{if it sticks to the plate, it will probable stick to the body} You can, you know, prove this, right? Because that would be greatly appreciated. No, really. Find one reputable scientist who talks about how meat rots inside us.
but early man lived mostly in tropical area which is where a vast variety of fresh fruits grew.
You are factually incorrect. There's a shocker.

just because there were drawings in caves, doesn't mean that they lived in caves. it might have been a place of shelter for when it rained.This is you. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ComicallyMissingThePoint?from=Main.CompletelyMissingThePoint)

Native Americans werent from china as this is a lie they were from North America as they started there as they were life already in south america so how could they couldve came from china?And america WAS a land plentiful of resoucres and THEN those christans came and Holocausted 50-100 million Natives.So Some Tribes couldve been Vegans

Can you please just shut your noise hole? You've not contributed anything to any factual discussion on this site, your grammar is simply atrocious (holocaust isn't a verb), and your everything is full of non sequiturs.

[lightPainting]

You can, you know, prove this, right? Because that would be greatly appreciated. No, really. Find one reputable scientist who talks about how meat rots inside us.

You are factually incorrect. There's a shocker.

This is you. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ComicallyMissingThePoint?from=Main.CompletelyMissingThePoint)



Can you please just shut your noise hole? You've not contributed anything to any factual discussion on this site, your grammar is simply atrocious (holocaust isn't a verb), and your everything is full of non sequiturs.
Two things, 1 what did the last quote have to do with anything?
2, My message is not to give up all your meat. Eat what ever you want. The message is that food is more than just food. Every thing that you put in your body ether helps you or hurts you.

We have canine teeth that are specifically for ripping and tearing meat. Explain to me how we aren't meant to eat meat please?

the teeth cant even rip off a good chunk of skin off of an animal. And those teeth are about the same size of the other teeth, you would think they would be bigger, right?

Merged double post. -Gigablue

[Gigablue]

the teeth cant even rip off a good chunk of skin off of an animal. And those teeth are about the same size of the other teeth, you would think they would be bigger, right?

They don't need to. Human have had tools capable of cutting meat off bones for millions of years. We don't need to rip it with out teeth.

[lightPainting]

They don't need to. Human have had tools capable of cutting meat off bones for millions of years. We don't need to rip it with out teeth.

Ok so why haven't any other animals done the same or anything related

[Gigablue]

Ok so why haven't any other animals done the same or anything related

They don't have tools. Nor do they have the intelligence to create them.

[lightPainting]

They don't have tools. Nor do they have the intelligence to create them.

Ok so we disagree on each others opinion on the subject of ''not meant to eat meat''
so, let see on what we can agree on. Do you believe that it is possible to not be a meat eater/animal products and still live a strong awesome life with out the help of any supplements or medical treatment?

[Jess]

Pretty sure it is... There are loads of vegetarians and vegans out there. But they choose to be that way...not everyone wants to give up meat (I would never, it's too good).

They can still get their protein from beans...milk...cheese

[CharlieFinley]

Two things, 1 what did the last quote have to do with anything? MisterChicken's an anarchistic idiot.

2, My message is not to give up all your meat. Eat what ever you want. The message is that food is more than just food. Every thing that you put in your body ether helps you or hurts you.
And you have yet to demonstrate that meat is hurtful.
so, let see on what we can agree on. Do you believe that it is possible to not be a meat eater/animal products and still live a strong awesome life with out the help of any supplements or medical treatment?

It's possible to only have one hand and still live a strong, awesome life without the help of any supplements or medical treatment. Does this mean that we are only meant to have one hand?

I'm also waiting for scientific evidence on the "meat rots" point.

[lightPainting]

I'm also waiting for scientific evidence on the "meat rots" point.

i could just tell you the reason, but are you really going to just take my word for it? google it.

But I will tell you this. It has been shown that the hormones in meat speed up the rate of puberty and also cause it to come earlier on in childhood. You might be wondering why this is a problem, well when puberty comes sooner so does other feeling and stong emotions

[Gwen]

We are fucking omnivores and always have fucking being, Emperor be damned this thread is the most annoying shit

[huginnmuninn]

i could just tell you the reason, but are you really going to just take my word for it? google it.

But I will tell you this. It has been shown that the hormones in meat speed up the rate of puberty and also cause it to come earlier on in childhood. You might be wondering why this is a problem, well when puberty comes sooner so does other feeling and stong emotions

In wild animals these hormones aren't significant enough to do anything to us. We feed livestock, like pigs, chickens, and cows, food that is specifically designed to speed up their growth and make them fatter. this is then passed onto us as we eat the animals. The problem isn't the animal it is what we feed to the animals.

[Troy35216]

•our intestine are too long for meat to travel through us, so the meat will end up rotting inside of us.

if our intestines were too long for meat to travel through and rotted inside us, we'd be dead from having rotted food in us and we'd never poop after eating meat.


•if you eat too much meat it can lead too health problems
if you eat too much of anything it can lead to health problems. too much sugar leads to obesity or diabetes for instance. too much booze leads to alcoholism.


•no carnivore eats meat cooked. They work hard for there food by chasing after it a fast speeds, killing it with their sharp claws and teeth, tairing the skin, eating the meat raw including some small bones. We cant even do that.
this isn't true. we eat meat cooked and we are carnivores/omnivores. humans used to hunt for their food (Indians and the buffalo for instance.) if you say we shouldn't eat meat cuz we buy it instead of kill it, then should we stop eating veggies that we don't grow ourselves?

also, some people do eat raw meat. steak tartare, sushi. and eating small bones is never a good idea cuz it can pierce your throat or intestines.

so...yes we are meant to eat meat but we don't have to.

[WalkingOnDisaster]

I don't know how we were created in the beginning, back in the way back machine. I know we were created to eat only vegetation and all that stuff.
But as our race as a whole aged, we changed. Our bodies developed a need for protein, and meat and all that kind of thing.
But I don't think meat rots in our bodies. I am about 100% sure, roughly, that it passes like the rest of the food we eat.

[CharlieFinley]

i could just tell you the reason, but are you really going to just take my word for it? google it. Or you could pretend you're engaging in a debate and support your own claims. Whichever works best for your highness.


But I will tell you this. It has been shown that the hormones in meat speed up the rate of puberty and also cause it to come earlier on in childhood. You might be wondering why this is a problem, well when puberty comes sooner so does other feeling and stong emotions

That's right! I forgot that emotions were bad. Silly me.

Interesting side note: our teeth were better when we ate primarily meat.
http://news.discovery.com/human/evolution/ancestors-had-much-better-teeth-130219.htm (this is what a competent debater does)